Will Cain Country - UFO Files Release Flops: "There's Nothing Here!"

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

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But we're always here. Just hit follow at Spotify or on Apple. A long-standing debate, which we have had with the likes of Ohio gubernatorial candidate Vivek Ramoswamy, returns with the words of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Is America a culture, a people, a place, or simply a creed? But first, nothing burger. And it will make you think there's nothing to see when it comes to UAPs. All right, guys, nothing burger? Or revelation. The UFO files have been released.

Yeah, I've come over here. I don't see anything. So it's not really a lot going on. Yeah, I don't think. Because you're broadcasting from the moon right now? I can see your daily update on backgrounds. It's actually I'm enjoying it. Yeah.

It's good. It's good thing. I don't know what's coming next. It's a nothing burger. It's a massive disappointment. This release has been making me more of a skeptic. Let's review some of the things that have been released.

Dan, you have a couple. Let's start with this weird quote. I'm using quotes in this way. Everybody's describing it, eight-pointed star flying around. Apparently this is unverified in terms of, is it really in the files? What's out?

You can see this. It looks like a navigational star, right? on a 1600s map. Mm-hmm. It's over the top. This, come on. Look at this thing.

It has a trail, too, like a vapor trail. We don't know what kind of camera that is. This is promotional material for the Mariners. Yeah. Yeah, that looks like the Mariners logo. The Mariners logo is floating around with a vapor trail,

and we're like the aliens here here. Yeah, it could be a light flare. Like, this is a thing we don't know, and they don't know either. They don't know anything. That looks like a fake, to be honest. Yeah. All right, now we have a strange flying blob. Yeah, like this is another release from the UAP.

I feel like we've seen this before. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like we've seen all these before. Infrared, infrared, white against, oh, nope, now we switched it. It was white against a black sky. Now it's black against a white sky just above the clouds. Weird shape. I just, man, I'm having so much trouble.

Yeah, and what is this thing? Moving weirdly. So this is some, this is some, this, this looks, I know this is a drawing. What is this? This is a composite drawing from eyewitness testimony. And it looks like something out of lost in space. That old show where, you know, Will

what was it? Remember with the robot? Danger Will Robinson. Danger Will Robinson. It's the most corny out of space show that ever existed. So corny it was good, actually. Yeah. Enjoyable.

That this is what people apparently saw, and why is yours in black and white, Dan? I've seen colorized versions of it. It's brass. It looks like a bullet. A gigantic bullet with a starburst behind it.

Or it's going into something. this is this is unconvincing to say the least it actually has the opposite effect and you know it leaves me in this place where president trump has promised like oh it'll be curious and you know he's like you will decide and other people are praising president trump for releasing this stuff in the way that other administrations haven't and so this is where i am There's nothing, guys. They're not hiding anything. Right?

They just don't know anything. We want to believe it, and I'm open and curious. Right. Because honestly, here's what I think. Part of me believes that if they had this stuff, President Trump would release it. Now, I do think President Trump would be like, man, I don't know if the people, I do think he would calculate, are the people ready for this? I actually think he would.

He's not as much of a shoot from the hip cowboy is. is the image. I think he thinks through things. But I also think, though, he wouldn't then overpromise on this stuff if he knew there was other stuff. It's just making me think, well, this is it. The Burchett tweet, if you want to bring that up, he basically says that. He says, this is just, you know, a toe in the water, but wait for the, wait for the real thing to drop. Then you're going to really be like, oh, my God. But it's just pushing it down the road. Here's what Congressman Tim Burchett said.

Remember the feds told us these files didn't exist, and real Donald Trump stood up to the deep state. The first drop will be big, but in comparison to what is coming, it will be a drop in the bucket. I would say, holy crap is coming. That was this morning. What is this?

Is this a season series? Is this Game of Thrones? Episode 1's okay, but in episode 3, you're really going to be into this? Yeah. Like, why wouldn't you go ahead and get, are they slowly boiling the water so we don't freak out? Because I'm going to tell you something. This is going to hype up the freak out. This right here is a nothing burger.

This isn't anything, Congressman. This is nothing. That makes me think of fake. And so if there's a holy crap moment coming. Yeah, exactly. I believe he was on. There's no first date on this. Just drop it.

And said that Carter was shown all this stuff, and he held back because he thought it would destroy society. And so I wonder, like, are we holding some back? No, no, no, like the general alien stuff that they had. God, I mean. They gave them the talk. But think about the difference in time. But this makes no sense. I'm open to the idea that holy crap exists, right?

I'm open to the idea that the government has hid this from us. because it's too big. But this makes no sense. Why would you give me this? Why would you give me three dots in a triangular formation off the surface of the moon? What does this do for me?

This doesn't ease me into it. Yeah. It doesn't ease me into it at all. It makes me think, oh, there's nothing. So if they drop in episode three, a 10-foot-tall dude with eyes on the side of his head

with reptile skin, I'm not warmed up to it from these, right? I mean, these are... I'm not like... These are objects. They're not beings. I'm going to be more holy crap. We don't know. This doesn't relate to anything saying that there's life from another planet or something like that.

They're just... That could be all solar flair. We don't know. It's nonsense. Well, I mean, like, I've seen some of these movies with, like, Dr. Stephen Greer and guys like that. Age of Descartes. images they have of like the beings tend to be kind of like not like solid beings like you see in alien movies. Yeah.

So it's, it's true. Everyone always thought that the theory was they showed us the aliens that we know in movies because that's what they actually look like and they've been trying to desensitize us for years. So when they actually come out, we're like, oh, we see that before. So they actually look like the things we're seeing in movies? Exactly. That was a theory for a very long time. Which movie? Remember contact? They looked like octopus is in contact.

But like the aliens with the big eyes. Would they look like an Independence Day? They look more like aliens that we see, like the caricatures of aliens, you know. The grays. Matt Walsh had a good tweet. Matt Walsh said, I'm very into the alien stuff, but these kinds of videos aren't compelling to me. There are millions of explanations for random, nondescript blobs in the sky before you get to extraterrestrial life forms. Also, why would aliens come all the way just to zip up?

around the sky in erratic patterns. What would even be the point? Yes. He's got a great point. I'm open to this. I'm very curious. This is not compelling in any way. Are there alien enthusiasts?

Are there UAP enthusiasts out there today, Patrick, who are like, yes, we have more confidence? Is anybody impressed with this? They would say they already knew this stuff is the thing. Or they already saw this. Or this is stuff we already know. Like, come on. people are probably going to comment on this right now and say,

come on, guys, you guys are so far behind. We already know this stuff. Maybe the aliens came here. They came here, had a couple Jackson Cokes, and they shouldn't be operating these vehicles. And they're like, these people are immature. Let's get out of here. But do you think they know that we're disclosing this stuff?

And they're like, oh, oh, crap. Do you think the aliens are like, wait, they put it on TV? I think they got to Earth. had their Jack and Coke and we're like, got on Snapchat and we're like, let's go down the street to Mars. This is boring. Earth's got nothing for us. You up Pluto? A bunch of immature people.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. My question is, how many angles are there of an accident and how many cameras? That's another thing. Ed brings up a good point. And this is like the big thing on Bigfoot. At this point, we all have recording devices. in our hands all the time.

Now the big hole in the game is like the White House Correspondence dinner shooting. The problem is, like, the aliens could be like, don't worry. The earthlings are not going to capture you because their cameras are turned around at their own faces. They're all doing selfie videos. They're not going to get you.

One of the aliens is going to be like, you know, they've all got these recording devices now, so we're not going to be able to sneak around like we used to. They probably invented. And another was like, don't worry. They're all doing a selfie video for the gram. Don't worry about it. They're not going to catch you.

They're trying to make money off of this. But like, Bigfoot would be discovered with all the cameras out there. There's just no way. If Bigfoot made himself, if Bigfoot made himself vulnerable to a 35 millimeter icon camera in 1970 that randomly some dude had, then he hasn't adapted. to everybody having one all the time.

Like, think about how many human interactions Bigfoot got away with before he ran into the dude with the Nikon. Right? For the one dude with the Nikon, there had to have been 20 that didn't have a camera on him. But now, everybody has a camera on them, and we have no Bigfoot. We have no clear images of Bigfoot.

Bigfoot lives out deep in the woods and stuff. So, like, I don't know, I mean, like, with battery technology, you might still have a little bit of that, but I don't think people are going camping and carrying cameras, even with their phones, I don't think they have. What are you talking about? People have their cell phone with them when they're camping. Not all the time. They have them everywhere.

Maybe those are the people that have gone missing in the woods, Patrick. Patrick, this is insanity. Patrick, there are game cameras. There is infrared cameras. Hunters are doing all this stuff for hunting. There is every single thing. Dude, those, the Rangers, they know every inch of those national parks, every inch of it. Okay?

Now, I mean, you can lose somebody. Yes, we know. Monica Reza, apparently, hiking in California, the Nash's Jet Propulsion lady. I'm not saying you can't, there's a difference. I just think the numbers and the odds of Bigfoot having been cited in an age, when nobody had cameras versus now getting away with it when everybody has cameras.

That's insane. Bigfoot would be on the radar. And the same thing applies to UFOs. But people are getting videos of them. It just seems unbelievable. Like I've seen a lot more lately. Like Casey Musgraves, the singer, did this whole series that she saw on her farm.

And it was weird. And it was crazy. You can't get close, but it was her good cell phone footage. and it got picked up everywhere. Of what? Of Bigfoot or Spaceships? Spaceships, like in the sky, and if you look at it, it's just from her cell phone, pointing it up at the sky.

It's insane to look at. There's so many things now as well in the sky. This has happened to me twice out in the country. Once, I was frog gigging. Second, I was at my annual squirrel hunting catfish rodeo. God, you're so weird. And you see this stuff. I've seen a string of lights

that are pretty low flying and you will look up and you'll be like what in the hell is that? It's clearly in a formation. It's clearly a string of lights. It's clearly man-made. It's Starlink. It's always Starlink.

That's what it is. That's exactly right, Dan. It's Starlink. And everybody knows now. But there are weird erratic ones like these we see in the video. Like they're darting all over the sky, but that could just be light refraction or drones with a light on it that you just can't see close enough. Yeah.

It's just. I'm so unimpressed. Well, I, Representative Anapole and Luna, too, I mean, just, it seems like a huge hype. Like, why not just put it out when you, when you have everything and then we'll believe you? It just seems like they're stringing us along for a purpose. I don't know what that purpose is. That's a good point. Okay, first of all, you have a piece of sound from Anna Paulina Luna.

Let's listen to the Congresswoman. I don't call them aliens, and I don't know what these things are that they're using, right? But I think that there's stuff that we have witnessed as members of Congress been briefed on that we cannot explain. And I will leave it at that because that's going to be coming out soon. And I think that the American people will have many of their questions answered. That's from pod force one. I will eat crow so readily. Yeah. What answer?

Yeah. Good job. Giving credit. I will eat crow. I will be fine saying, well, I was wrong. You're right, Congressman Burchett. You're right, Congresswoman Luna. That was a wower, and that changes everything. But I don't understand the way this is being strung out to your point, Dan. I will say this. I do think there are people who string these out because it is advantageous to their ability to continue the storyline for whatever personal gain they might have.

I do not think President Trump is among them. No. I think President Trump has plenty of other things that he can be talking about. Plenty of a he has no problem remaining in the news. You know, he has no problem whatsoever. So he has very little incentive. Now, the cynic might be like, well, President Trump's incentive is to distract you from the other things he doesn't want to talk about. Well, President Trump is on TV two hours a day.

I mean, I think he's on TV two hours a day right now. Most of it through your show, TV show, but yeah. People could ask him about anything. Peter Ducey can ask him anything. These are not pre-vetted questions. He did ask him about Yuffos. So how is he just like, I mean, so he's doing this so that Peter Ducey won't ask him about Epstein? Yeah.

Is that cynic on that side? He's doing this so Peter Ducey won't ask him about Iran. Well, I think he is answering questions about Iran. Gas prisons? Like, what is it the distraction? And by the way, aliens isn't working as a distraction. No. Right?

It never will. If you want a distraction, if you want a real distraction, then drop the holy crap moment. Show me the alien. Exactly. Nobody's distracted by this stuff. I want... We're up in the Smithsonian.

I want Birch... We have a giant in America. I want Congress and Burchard to say the holy crap moment when it comes out. Like that was what I was talking about. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like when it comes out, I want him to be like, that is what I was talking about that year is going to blow your mind.

And then we'll judge. It's always a thing just beyond our reach. Mm-hmm. And, oh, but it's right there. Reach a little further. Oh, it's coming. Oh, it's just right there. I mean, after a while, I'm going to stop believing you that there's anything there for me to reach for.

And, you know, you're right. The one person that is not clamoring for attention from this is Donald Trump. When Ducey asked him about it on the plane, he was like, yeah, you know, we're investigating. We have some things. Obama shouldn't have said that, blah, blah, blah. He's pretty nonchalant about it. And I think he's the only one that's not just grabbing, grabbing, grabbing for it to be this huge. story. So it flies in the face of the distraction thing.

It makes me feel like he's saying exactly what he knows, which is there are some weird things. We don't really know what it is. We can't explain it. But there's not something deeper. You know what I mean? Exactly. That makes me feel like it's actually where we are as a country, as a world, as humanity. I've been one to talk about this story this week. And I'm not sure the takeaway. Okay. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe it's just something that really hits close home to me because I have a son who plays basically at this level of soccer and is basically this age. It's called Crossfire, and it's a big club. They're very good.

The Crossfire U-14 boys. That means they're 13 years old, by the way, played and beat the University of Washington's women's soccer team. Yeah, does that blow your mind, Ed? No. Really? Oh. Yeah. Mine just blown.

Get Ellie back here. I want to see what she says. We know the story of the FC Dallas U-15 boys beating the U.S. women's national team. Now, the women's Washington soccer team is a big step down from the women's national team. But so, too, would be U-14 from U-15. I really think that's true. And so at some point, it's like you're getting close to the puberty line. You know what I mean?

So any high-level boys team that is post-puberty beats a much, much higher-level women's team. Are you surprised, Ellie? No. The boys would practice, like, the middle school boys are there those practice? Can't hear. The middle school boys would beat the varsity girls? Yeah, nobody can hear you. But Ellie played sports.

she said the middle school boys. Now you're, middle school? Sometimes. It's like you. Now you're, 16. Oh, U-16 is high school. But at U-14, I'm going to say two-thirds of those boys have crossed the puberty line.

Not all of them, but the ones that haven't, by the way, are studs. They're like they're super-coordinated little athletes and the other boys are big. I think this is. It's just, I mean, there's so many different things you can take away from this. You can obviously apply this to the boys playing girls' sports things and just show another level of why this is so inappropriate to be pushing this. Did you guys see Governor Westmore of Maryland talking about this stuff? I didn't tell you to pull this. Did you see this?

This is shocking. Governor Westmore of Maryland was asked about if he had a kid who was transitioning. and actually Dan if you can pull it and I can see you working on it because I think this is super instructive about the way this issue is handled he said that he would not push back on his kid and he would accept and embrace and this and that and the guy goes but not before the age of 18 right and he's like no I definitely would but the language that Moore uses is so revealing about

the BS, the lie. He is lying. Westmore is lying about allowing his kid to transition. Patrick, I don't know what you read, but and as a product of his lie, he's hurting other people. Because what I'm telling you is he would not allow, I can tell you in listening to what he's saying.

And I want you to play it, Dan, if you can get it. He's with Patrick, Beth, David. Listen to how. how he manipulates language. And if you listen to it, what you'll come away with is he's actually not saying he would allow his kid to transition. But he is co-signing anyone else to do it. So he is sitting there advocating to some extent for people to hurt their children in a way

that he would not hurt his child. That's my biggest takeaway from the choice. Your first takeaway is, oh my God, is he insane? The things he's saying, is he insane? And then after I watched it maybe a second, I'm like, no, you know what? He's not insane. He is lying and lying in a way that hurts people for political pandering. Do we have to do this, though, still?

I mean, I feel like things are becoming much less woke in society in general. Why do we have to do this trans stuff anymore? Like, I just don't understand how that is. No, but that's the question for Wes Moore. Why do you need to lie like that for your political future? And Westmore would be described as one of the more moderate Democrats, one would assume, right? But he has to say this. He feels like he has to say this.

Otherwise, he has no future as a Democrat. So the answer to your question is yes. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. What's going on, Dan? Can you not find it? And he has support with a teacher. they build a relationship. And then you find out that the teacher, maybe as part of the LGBTQ community,

is encouraging your son, who's never, since he was in fifth grade, ever brought this up. Now because of a couple friends and a teacher, he is thinking about taking puberty blockers to go through the transition. As a parent, how informed would you like to be when that teacher is talking to your kid and is persuading them? And what position would you have to say, wait a minute, I've never seen any signs like this. Why are you going through it right now? Would you then say, son, if you do want to get on puberty blockers and transition under the age of 18, I'll support you?

Would you say, no, we've got to kind of get to the bottom of this? Well, first, I don't care where we're talking about pewter blockers or whether we're talking about what type of math you're learning. I want to be involved. You know what I mean? Like, I'm an involved parent. My wife is an involved parent. And I just think it's very important for parents to be involved in everything. that happens with their with their child and that's why i think that anything that happens in a school

should be a okay can you pause it in process between the teachers and the parents okay so at this point that's a very sane answer and you're off running and you're like okay yeah he must be rational he i want to be involved in everything as anyone would with their kid that's great all right good we must have a real sane democrat on our hands keep going always and no and no and not matter what. So parents should know what's happened and teachers can't keep a secret away from parents and not informing them what conversations they're having. I think parents have to be involved. I know, but I'm saying there's a lot of parents that maybe don't have the luxuries that

you and I have who don't make the money that maybe we make and, you know, you've done well for yourself, you're taking care of your finances over the years. You were in a military. You give me the vibe of somebody that's done, made good decisions. You weren't an investment banker, you've done well for yourself. Yeah. But some of the people that don't have that luxury, You know, it's, it's, here's what I think's going to happen. The reason why I'm asking this question, when I talk to Stephen A, Stephen A's like, nope, full stop. I got a daughter. Men, no, not going to happen.

I think 2028 election is going to be the most free agency election. And I actually think whatever Cali has got you right now is not the right number. I think if anybody's a betting man right now and is willing to put a little bit on Cali to say, who I think has a potential of doing something that could have a plus minus, I would support, you know, if you go to Kentucky Derby, I like to go to Kentucky Derby a lot and you'll have three horses on a final race. If you want to vote and, you know, support somebody on the Democratic ticket, I think I would put you as a long shot because I don't think it's a long shot.

I really don't. I really believe in your abilities to go through this next phase. All right, this is not. That's great. That's great that he feels this way. I agree. I agree. But women's sports.

Okay, transgender. Where are you at there? I understand at the beginning, everybody's like, well, you know, what is this? Some people that are maybe Democrats. We find the moment. All right. Here, Dan. I'm going to send you the moment that I'm talking about.

And by the way, I don't know if he's, I don't know about placing the bed on Calci for Westmore. I don't think so. That guy has. skeletons in his closet about his past ability to tell the truth, which we've talked about on the Will Kane show. I actually interviewed Westmore and challenged him on this because there's some pretty strong evidence out there that he lied about the circumstances of getting his bronze star, and that's bad news.

And there's a couple other things about his personal story that people have now noticed. These are not the truth about what he said. that stuff plays really poorly with the public. The other one in that lane that people are talking about that is like very publicly presentable and articulate and strong is Andy Bashir of Kentucky. And boy, did we hear from Brian Hubbard, the president for Americans for Ibegain, talking about Andy Bashir's connection to Purdue Pharma and what he's done to the people of Kentucky. And that that guy, once he's exposed to the light of the American public, will not just be. not a candidate for president, but considered criminal, criminal by people. All right, now here's Westmore on the moment I'm talking about.

So far, sane Democrat. Your son comes in saying he wants to transition. What do you do? Well, first, if it's my son, so I love him regardless, right? And he's always going to have mine dying love. That's me. right um i want to make sure that i'm involved in understanding uh where he is how he's feeling the way he's feeling why he thinks is important if this is a journey that he wants to go down

um i want him to always be comfortable in his own skin and i want him to always know that he has a partner in me to help him along that journey would you advise him to wait till he's 18 I, if this is how he is feeling and I feel like I'm, I'm closely tied to him, I'm not going to advise him on something that he feels is at 14 years old, Wes? No, I understand it. Okay. Pause that. The most important. So, this is, this is subtle here.

Okay. The question isn't about whether or not you love your child. The question is not whether or not you accept your child. The question is, what is love and acceptance? acceptance and whether or not it is love and acceptance to just validate your child or advise your child on healthy choices. And I know that Westmore would not sit by passively and say, whatever you want, that's great. I'm here to support you. If his child came in and said, I want to be a heroin user, I identify as a heroin user. I love heroin. Westmore would not

say, I'm here with you, man. I love and accept you, and I've always been with you, and I will be with you no matter what. He would not simply stop there. Of course, he still love his son. If his son came in and said, my right arm bothers me. I don't like my right arm. My right arm is embarrassing to me. I want to amputate my right arm. He would not say, I love you, I accept you, I'm with you on whatever. No, he'd step in and go, whoa, whoa. Let's talk about this. First of all, heroin is very harmful, and we need to talk about addiction and threatening to your life, and maybe we need to get to what the real issue is.

He would not take his son in to get his right arm amputated. And for anyone that says, holy crap, will is equating puberty blockers and transitioning to right arm amputation. My answer to you is, yes, I'm not afraid of that comparison. You're talking about taking puberty blockers. in some cases you're talking about amputation of various body parts. And I do not believe Westmore whatsoever that he would just be, I love you, I'm with you. That is escaping the question.

This is a skilled politician, by the way, using language to set the terms of the debate as to whether or not you judge your child or love your child, as though that's your only two choices. And those are not your only two choices. How do you love your child? Let's go ahead, Dan. The most important thing for me is I want him to feel safe in his own skin, safe in his own decision making, but also know that at 14 years old, I want to be involved inside of that process as well. We all want that. I'm not going to condemn him nor castigate him.

I'm not going to kick him out of the house. No one's saying that's what you do. But I just want to make sure. that I'm involved. What, what, that is politics. That is rhetoric.

That is, when I say rhetoric, I'm talking about Cicero. I'm talking about real, rhetoric we use now colloquially is just like, to mean language. Rhetoric is a skill. I gave,

I gave a talk this week. I'm going to tell you, and there were people that disagreed with me, which is great, which is exactly what I wanted. And I gave this talk. I was telling a buddy of mine, a couple of people came up.

to me and they were like, well, you're very skilled at this, you know, you're professional communicator, you know, and they were complimenting me in a very uncomplimentary way. You know what I mean? Like, like, I know how to use language to manipulate people. I'm skilled at these things, which, by the way, I'm not super offended as you say that to me. I'm like, no, the things that I'm saying are true. I said that to the person's face.

And they're on point and they matter. And but the underlying premise is true. People can be good at these things in subversive ways. That is usage of rhetoric in a way that is avoiding and in fact manipulating the actual conversation at hand. I would have liked to think I could have had that rebuttal to Wes in the moment in the position of Patrick Beth David. You are setting up a false dichotomy in your answer. You are putting yourself on the side of a loving parent and everybody else that doesn't behave the way you do as the judgmental unloving parent. You're suggesting you'll walk with your kid all the way and somebody that disagrees with you would kick them out of the house.

You're suggesting you're the accepting parent and the other parent is the condemning parent. This is not the spectrum of which we live. The question, as always from the beginning, is that the end of the clip down? Yes. Is what is love? What is acceptance? What is feeling safe in your own skin? What is that stuff?

How does one parent? And for the record, that rhetoric is so good that what my takeaway is is Westmore is not an insane person. He's not an insane person. He would not allow his kid to do all that. He is a skilled, I'm sorry to put him. it too bluntly on this liar. So you're saying his... He's lying by omission.

He's lying by rhetoric. He's lying by saying, changing the terms of the debate. So his entire... I'm saying if... To pack... Go ahead. No, so you're saying his entire answer is just a political one. That's it.

Like he doesn't actually believe this or stand behind it. A very skilled political answer. Yes. Design to keep people... on the left, accepting of him as a politician who will rise higher, one's motive, that's my suspicion for West Moore's. Others could talk that way so that they could project their own frame of virtue on the world and those around them because they want to be the loving parent, you're the condemning parent. But they're not actually going to behave that way. They're not

going to in reality. There are people that will, but those people that will, they've got different issues, right? They've got different issues. Like, if you are the parent that does take your kid into do those things, you've got different issues you're dealing with. This is an issue of somebody who would say something one way publicly and behave another way privately. And I think that's just as bad because you're now enabling it for other people. That's what you're doing. You're suggesting other people. And you're setting it up that if you're loving parent, you actually will be that guy, that you'll do that.

Yeah. And he doesn't believe that. And, you know, I think I know a lot of people like this and they do virtue signal a lot. And a lot of times, you know, when kids do feel that way, they don't want to cut their right arm off in a year or two. You know, it comes back around. And it's just a dangerous way to go. Of course. And people just to say stuff just to say stuff.

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with Eye Gaming Ontario. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Speaking of this conversation I had this week for so many of the different issues we talk about these days, immigration, and so forth. It's like, actually, I was in a bit of a debate. It was a public. It was a nice debate. The guy I was talking with used a line to Vivek Grama, Swami used with me one time. You can move to France and never become a Frenchman. You can move to India, never become an Indian. But you can move to America and become an American. And that's interesting.

because it is true. That is true. But what does that mean? Vake said that to me once. What does that mean about what America is? How do you become an American? And that is underlying almost all of our issues as a country. It really is. At a deepest level, almost every issue, obviously immigration, this is the question. And Chief, not Chief, but Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch addressed this recently. Listen to the justice. The Declaration of Independence had three great ideas in it. That all of us are equal, that each of us has inalienable rights given to us by God, not government, and that we have the right to rule ourselves. Our nation is not founded on a religion. It's not based on a common culture even, or heritage. It's based on those ideas. We're a creedal nation.

I totally disagree. It is interesting. Who, who, he chose to give that. That was reason. I agree with him. Reason. Nick Gillespie, I believe. You agree with him. I do. Because you were talking about... We don't think we have a common culture. I think the common culture is that we're

America, like you were saying, immigration. A creedal nation. What America is, is a nation of people who want to become American. It can be anybody. It can't be someone from outside. It can be someone who's come here later than another person. But what's the creed? Okay.

So I give this speech a lot. This is when I do a speech, this is the speech that I give. Okay. One of the things that made me conservative in my sort of positioning in how I view the world was law school. So when I got to finally study really the meaning and the words and everything behind the Constitution of the United States, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers, it'll make you such a believer. in the special nature of this project as an intellectual exercise. But when I first got into television, my very first thing that I ever did in television, because I'd only ever been an entrepreneur, was I produced a television pilot on the Upper West Side of New York.

I did everything. I hired the camera crew. I booked the guests. I did everything. It was a Barney Greengrass on the Upper West Side of New York. And my guests for this thing that I did, which one would call, I guess, a pilot, dumb, dumb entrepreneur, like no news company buys pilots, but where Chris Hayes was one of them, right? He has a show on MS Now, MS Now, now. And Kevin Williamson, who at the time wrote for National Review. And Kevin Williams had this line, okay? Dan, if you Xeroxed the Constitution of the United States and made 500,000 copies and you air-dropped it,

over Bangladesh, would you end up with the United States of America? No. Why? They would all have access to the creed. Presumably they would understand the creed. What do you mean just right away? They didn't see the success of the experiment in America. The point is, are we more than words on parchment?

Are we more than the ideas written down on that paper? It doesn't diminish those ideas. They stand singularly alone in history. And they are integral to our success. But could every other of nation have adopted those documents and come out with the same result? But America now is different than America then, also when it started. Because those ideals can't hold now. What does that have to do with anything?

Because a lot of people can't. No, they are holding now. They are tested. They are tested. They are stretched. They are. But they are holding. But who founded this country, people from all different countries, right?

No. No. No. No. How not? French? English? A bunch of... I mean, they were almost all English. Like three or four countries. A couple of... Almost all English. So then we're an English-based nation. Absolutely. Yeah. Without a doubt. That's why we speak English. Not French. England, the country. I mean... But we do have French and Spanish. So we're essentially just an English offshoot still. What we are talking about, yeah, I mean, we have evolved in various ways over time. That's what I meant.

We then had the Scott's Irish, then we had the Irish, then we had the Germans, you know, then we had the Italians, then we had the Puerto Ricans, then we had Jews, then we had the Latinos. Well, is John Mayer a member of the Grateful Dead? Is John Mayer the Grateful Dead? He's in Grateful Dead now, yeah. What is John Mayer to the Grateful Dead? The lead singer and guitar player. Yeah. But when people think of the Grateful Dead, is it John Mayer?

It is now. Come on, man. John Mayer is his own thing. Does he sing with the Grateful Dead? Also, they're called Dead and Co. I mean, I would argue if John Mayer gave up his solo career, did nothing else, only sang with the Grateful Dead for a long period of time, then you can, begin to think he is actually the Grateful Dead. It takes some affirmative acts, some, some integration, some honestly denial of your previous

version. And then you become the Grateful Dead. Then you become American. But there's a thing to become. There was some, John Mayer, John Mayer doesn't sing. John Mayer hits when he's fronting the Grateful Dead. But then what makes America then? if it's not a melting pot of people from other places.

I'm just asking the Grateful Dead hits. But what are the Grateful Dead hits? Our culture. What's our culture? We have our documents. We have our documents. We have our ideals. We have our creed.

We have our principles. They're all a really big part of it. But a nation is not only parchment. A nation is not only ideas. Those ideas in that parchment first spring from something. Second, exist within something. They sprang from English Enlightenment culture, religious freedom, the Magna Carta. Dating back further, they did borrow on the traditional enlightenment of the Greeks.

What's the other thing besides paper? And that all has a story. That's all baked into the culture that led to the ideas. And the culture doesn't cease to exist. and the culture enables it. John Adams, our second president, said, our form of government is only suitable for a moral and religious people. Any other form of government will not work.

You have to have things under, he is saying, in order for this to work, these ideas, there has to be something else. He's saying it, you have to have a moral and religious people. Otherwise, it doesn't work. Because there has to be self-restraint, self-discipline. If you give people freedom, they have to have something else that makes them a member of a common community with some level of restraint and discipline.

He is pointing to the necessity of moral and religion, morality and religion. But that's all tied in to culture. There is an American culture. But it's based in the paper and words. What else is there? No. The paper and the words are based on the culture. Not the other way around.

not the other way around But then what's the other part I'm asking? It has the same exact Constitution as we do. What do you point to besides the ideals and the Liberia, I believe. Liberia, did they adopt

something very similar? Yeah, even their flag is very U.S.-centric. Yeah. Yeah, so why, Dan, didn't it work in Liberia in the same way it did America? Because it worked here. Who knows why? A million

different factors. Time. evolution of ideas, evolution of people, evolution of economy. So quit thinking about it? No. Who knows? Put on the Grasel dead. I'm saying it's amazing.

I love this country. I'm very extremely patriotic. I'm just saying it takes a lot of different people. There is a reason. There is a reason. And it is because of culture. Right. But you keep saying that, but what is the culture?

America is historically a Western European, primarily English, Protestant nation. That is what it was. It wasn't a random collection of countries you described earlier. That culture that derived from it created a kind of people that had, first of all, in the beginning days, very, very, very strong work ethic. Very strong work ethic. Work was virtue. Work was your path to heaven. They worked hard.

Right. And the immigrants to America that have succeeded had that had that elevation. had that element as well. The Irish, Germans, the Jews, the Latinos, have all had that same element. That's not in and of itself enough. That's part of the picture.

There was also a risk tolerance to those initial Americans. Think about what it took. Did you know that at Jamestown it had an 80% death rate? 80%. Like, what kind of person signs up for that? What kind of person?

When we had that conversation with the guy that talks about where we're headed with AI and the different kinds of people are going to choose different lives. And he's like the people that choose to be. Desperate people. Because life's going to be his projection to us, Tom Bill You, right? That is part of it, Dan. It is a part of that. Desperate people. And we should factor that in on the kind of people that come here.

And look, look, a lot of Latinos that come here illegally do check a lot of these boxes. is hardworking, risk-tolerant, took a lot of risks to come do that, Christian. That's three big elements that over time have proven to be successful ingredients in the culture that works in America. So being Christian is part of the culture. Still not the complete picture. Absolutely. How many times do they have to write about it in the documents that you referenced?

If you Googled it right now or AI did, how many times is God referenced in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States? Right. But that guy. It's not these secular documents. that god doesn't mean it's not the secular don'ts where it pretends him to be it could mean

I'm semantics but you know what I mean it doesn't say Christ it meant Christian God that was the implication it was a little bit it was a little bit implied they weren't I mean they didn't even consider

you know diversity yeah but the point is okay we're having I'm having fun I don't know if you guys are We're having fun going all around the block on this, but Gorsuch is wrong.

That is not to say the creed is not important. It's not an either or proposition. It is a both proposition, and both have to be part of the success of the next 250 years. And we've arrived at a place, honestly, where we are rejecting both, not accepting both. We deny the existence of a culture. I know I've told this story. It's my favorite analogy of this. David Foster Wallace, you guys know what I'm going to say.

The two young fish swimming in the water. Pass the old fish. The old fish says to the two young fish, hey, boys, how's the water? The two young fish swim on past and turned each other and go, what's water? That's culture. You don't even know how much you are in it, a beneficiary of it, a part of it. And we're trying to change it and destroy it and deny it. Because they're all different.

States are the best part of that different culture. Yeah. Yeah. Well, microcosms and variations of the culture. Absolutely. And then we're also denying the ideas. So that's a dangerous place for us. I'm not rejecting either. I'm defending the importance of culture. I'd probably put it at... I agree. I'd probably put it 60, 40, 70, 30 to culture over the documents. And I am a lover of the documents. we're seeing more and more like change in the culture, just people who come from different cultures. And it's creating more of like a low trust society. And that's kind of what John Adams is talking about. It's like you have to have people who buy in to the culture in general.

You're right about the self thing, by the way, Will. I think that was spot on too. People are so worried about the self and not the collective anymore. That's absolutely true. The more I think about it. If I had to guess, John Adams would order a Jack and Coke, but Thomas Jefferson would be more refined and say, give me the rye.

They're drinking port wine. That would be my guess. Jefferson would drink a little nigroney or something, something fancy. Something French. Some meat. He would order champagne. French 75. That's one critique I would have on you is, you know, he was heavily influenced by the French.

They all love the French. Me? Because I like Jefferson, you're saying? No, no, no. I'm saying the founding fathers. Why did you say critique of me? You were saying they were English and, you know, they had this English tradition. Jefferson loved the French and like the French Enlightenment.

Jefferson did. Yeah. Yeah, Jefferson did. Deeply impacted. I don't think, I don't know about Madison. The geniuses of the time, I don't know about Madison. Franklin was over there too. Frankophile as well.

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