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Episode Date: August 29, 2025

On this edition of 'Will Cain Country,' Vice President JD Vance joins Will Cain for an exclusive, unfiltered interview on rebuilding America. From unleashing on Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) and the housing crisis to immigration and the Minneapolis shooting, Vance goes deep on the issues shaping our future. It's a conversation that you won't want to miss.  Plus, Will reacts to the Dallas Cowboys’ stunning trade of superstar Micah Parsons and breaks down this weekend’s top college football matchup between the Texas Longhorns and Ohio State Buckeyes. Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is Will Cain Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time, at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, Fox News Facebook page, but always available, as is this edition of Canaan Sports, by subscribing an Apple or on Spotify. We were scheduled simply to share with you today our full sit-down interview with the Vice President of the United States. J.D. Vance and I talked about American culture. We talked about the economy. We talked about the Canary and the Coal Mine that is the fall of Western civilization in Europe. And we talked about Texas versus Ohio State.

But then, while driving on the beautiful country roadsides of Wisconsin, my phone alerted me. The Dallas Cowboys had traded Micah Parsons. Let's get into it with a special edition of Canaan Sports. Story number one. The Dallas Cowboys have traded Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers for two first round picks and defensive tackle, Kenny Clark. These are the range of emotions that I went through in roughly 20 minutes. I swing quickly.

My emotions and my compensation, my hope and my rationalization kick in. Immediately I am devastated. I never thought this day would happen. I thought the Cowboys were simply posturing. I thought Jerry Jones was just negotiating. I never really thought they would trade Michael Parsons. We've seen this story play out. From Dak Prescott to in the 1990s with Emmett Smith, Jerry likes to wait for the last moment.

He likes to make the other side go first. he believes somehow this benefits the Dallas Cowboys. And I thought that's the way it would play out ultimately with Michael Parsons. They had control of him for the next three years. He's under contract this year and would have given up millions of dollars by sitting on the sidelines. Then he could have been franchise tagged for two more years, making him a Dallas Cowboy for the foreseeable future. And in that three-year period, I thought for sure there'd be a deal to get done with what is probably a top two, but most definitely a top three player. on defense in the NFL.

Any ranking would probably go Miles Garrett at number one, and then some debate between the Pittsburgh Steelers, T.J. Watt, and the Dallas Cowboys, Michael Parsons, for two and three. And when you get that kind of generational talent, when you get that kind of superstar, that kind of playmaker,

you don't trade them away in their prime. Michael Parsons is 26. So I always thought there would be a deal done with the Dallas Cowboys. Now, this did get ugly. There was so much animosity. Micah was mad. Micah demanded a trade.

Micah sat out. Micah laid on a training table. And Jerry was mad. Jerry had mad money. Apparently, he thinks there was a deal done during training camp, a handshake deal with Michael Parsons, who then said, call my agent, David Muligeta. But Jerry never called David Mulageta because he didn't want that handshake deal

to be negotiated up. He let his money get mad. And he traded Parsons to the Packers. My first reaction is devastation. It is anger. Why is there no plan in Dallas? There's never a plan. I mean, there's a little bit of shell shock, which makes you numb, but also makes you feel,

here we go again when it comes to Dallas. We trade away Luca Donchich, then we trade away Micah Parsons. And guys like Parsons don't grow on trees. I mean, we found him. in the draft at the 12th pick. You don't find one of the best defensive players in the league at the 12th pick. And then it's like it's found money.

Quite honestly, no matter what you think of him, finding Dak Prescott in the fourth round is found money. And found money is how you create championship franchises. You don't build it by multiple first round picks. You build it by hitting in the fourth. You build it by finding Tom Brady in the sixth. You need found money and you need to hit on your first round picks. And that's what the Cowboys had in Michael Parsons.

And I just couldn't believe that you let a superstar walk away. Then came to rationalization. And maybe this is where I live up to Stephen A. Smith's characterization of Dallas Cowboys fans. I don't know if it's hope. I don't know if it's cope. But I begin to think like, okay, should you spend 17, percent of your cap on a non-quarterback. The Green Bay Packers gave Michael Parsons $188 million over four years,

$137 million guaranteed, $47 million a year. That's about 17, 18 percent of the NFL salary cap. Should you be doing that? Is that smart cap management? Maybe you take that money and you spread it out. You're deeper. They got two first round picks, and I don't think that's enough, but I begin to think, okay, that's a little ammo.

I mean, I think a guy like Michael Parsons is probably worth more. You'd be hard-pressed to get three first-round picks, but maybe two firsts in a second, even two firsts in a third. And Kenny Clark, 29-year-old defensive tackle, three-time pro-bowler, good run stuffer, and exactly what the Cowboys need in that they are weak at defensive tackle. And I start to rationalize, even if I think you could have gotten more. I start to think, okay, maybe. But then I come back around full circle and I realize there's never a plan in Dallas.

There's never a grand vision. There's not a team building philosophy. How does a 29-year-old defensive tackle fit the timeline of a team that says we don't need a 26-year-old stud defensive end? How does that make sense? A 29-year-old defensive tackle suggests you're going to win this year or next year. but if you're punting on one of the best defensive players in the NFL, what is your timeline? Are we in full reboot mode in Dallas?

If so, why did we just sign Dak Prescott? And you know, I think a lot of Dak Prescott, but why did you just sign him to be the highest paid quarterback in the NFL? If you're rebooting, you're rebooting. If you're in the Archmanning sweepstakes, then get in the Archmanning sweepstakes. Two first-round picks aren't going to get you to the top of the draft to get Arch Manning. Nobody's trading away their chance to draft Arch Manning this year or next

for pick number 10 and pick number 25. That's the odds of what the Green Bay Packers picks will be somewhere in the 20s. I'm not a huge believer in Jordan Love, but there'll be a playoff team. Michael Parsons will help make that the case. So what did you get? You got pick number 26 or 27 this year and pick number 24 or 25 the following year? Combine that with your own team that's probably going to land somewhere around 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 in the draft. And you don't have the ammo to get up and get Arch Manning, so what are we doing? What are we getting? And Jerry and his dealmaker since suggest, well, we could trade those picks for another player.

Who? Who are we going after? What is our timeline? What is our vision? What is the philosophy for building a team in Dallas? You know, in this documentary up on Netflix, Troy Aitman talks about his retirement in 2000 or so at the decline of the dynasty in Dallas. And he said, the bottom line is I just didn't see any hope. I didn't see a plan.

There was no light at the end of the tunnel. And it's been that way basically for 25 years. Well, yeah, there's been a few teams with Tony Romo and Des Bryant, with Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott, where you thought this team was good enough. it could make its run, but they always fell flat in the playoffs and not even at the NFC championship game. And it makes you wonder, where's the light at the tunnel? Where is the team? And today, I think you sit here today as a fan of Dallas Cowboys and go,

I have no idea. I have no idea the philosophy of building this team. I start depressed. I turn to rationalization. I end up back at depressed. Quickly, he always has an interesting take on sports. always a little bit of a zag to everyone else's zig. Tinfoil, Pat, do you think the Cowboys should be embarrassed?

They just traded Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers? Yes. I mean, you know, you expect, like, you Cowboys fans expect a Hershal Walker deal, you know, of like, all these picks. But those things don't happen because of the Hershal Walker deal. But you think you'd get more than just two first. maybe another third or another fifth. But what? You're not going to get three.

No, you're not going to get three first, but like two first and a, you know, I mean, a guy like Michael Parsons is, I mean, he's had the most pressures of any player over the last six years, you know? So, I mean, you could easily make the case. He's the top edge player. I think I saw a stat that only two players in NFL history have had over 12 sacks. Their first is it three or four years in the NFL? and those two players were Reggie White and Micah Parsons. I mean, he's a special player.

By the way, there are issues with Micah as well, and maybe this is the rationalization side. He does seem to have some attitude issues. He has not showed up in a small sample size in the playoffs. I do think there is, if I heard from the inside workings of the Dallas Cowboys, that they were concerned about giving that kind of money and that kind of contract to Micah, I would at least hear that out. But from what I understand, Jerry offered Micah a five-year deal, so his concerns couldn't be that great.

And he offered him five years, $40 million. Michael wanted four years and $47 million. So I wouldn't believe those concerns necessarily. So, again, I try to go back and forth and try to make sense often with the Dallas Cowboys. And in the end, you can end up in the same place you have been for 25 years. It's just really hard to make sense. Now look, if by fortune and luck they grab two studs with these first round picks and Kenny Clark spends the next three years shutting down the run

on the defensive line in Dallas And I do actually think the Cowboys are deep at defensive end and pass rusher They've invested in that over the last couple of years Donovan Azaraku was a second round pick this year Marshawn Neeland was a second round pick last year They have Dante Fowler They have Sam Williams They have some talent at defensive end, but that's okay.

Maybe you have some Bs, maybe you have some B pluses. You might even end up with an A minus guy in there, but you trade it away an A plus. And the famous thing from Bill Simmons is, you know, four quarters don't make a dollar, at least in the NBA. But I think it also applies to the NFL. I really do. When you have a dollar, it's the NFL is a little different than the NBA because depth is so important. and we saw the Patriots built on teams that weren't around superstars, a Patriots dynasty built on four quarters,

I just don't know that you can trade away a dollar. In this case, for what feels like maybe 85 cents. No, I agree with that. But the thing is, Simmons also talks about the Ewing theory, where you lose a superstar player and actually do better. So sometimes focusing on your team in general and not on the superstar can actually benefit you. So, I mean, Simmons is kind of schizophrenic in that way,

where he's definitely right about the dollar thing, but then you have the Ewing theory, and it kind of conflicts. So, I mean, there is a possibility that this could actually be a good trade for the Cowboys. Well, I don't know. I don't know about the Ewing theory. I will tell you this, in fantasy football, which we're about to kick off our Will Kane Country Fantasy Football League, I think that there's new values.

you in fantasy for Dak Prescott, C.D. Lim and George Pickens. I think the Cowboys are going to have to score a lot of points to be in games. They're going to be chasing as people score on their defense. So you're going to rack up a lot of yards and maybe a lot of touchdowns with that Dallas Cowboys passing attack

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baler versus auburn you've got tCU versus bill bellichick and north carolina you're you're You have Clemson versus LSU, but the big matchup is Saturday morning. 11 a.m. central time, 12 Eastern, number one, Texas, number two, Ohio State. I'm so excited. I will be in Columbus, Ohio, Saturday morning, working for Fox and Friends. I don't know that I will be staying to watch the game in person. But I'm thankful that I have the Texas Longhorns because this is going to be what's needed for my football season. this year, I think the Longhorns are legit.

I think they're going to be really good. And I think it's going to be a hell of a test against Ohio State Buckeyes, but I feel confident in this test. And as I've mentioned, not to make it too trite or simple, but it's going to come down to the quarterback. And I simply have more belief in Arch Manning than I think one should have in Julian saying for the Ohio State Buckeyes. There are several other matchups to watch.

I think the Ohio State defensive line against the Texas offensive line is going to be a story. How well will they replace several NFL draft picks on the Texas? offensive line. Can Trevor Guseby step up and be the stud that they think he is? They're starting a freshman, Brandon Baker, along the offensive line. Will Archmanning have time? Or will he be running throughout this game?

Ohio State is deep and they are good. And that defensive line could be a problem for the Texas offensive line. I think the converse story is also true. Watch the Texas defensive line against the Ohio State offensive line. specifically game wrecker Colin Simmons, a bit like a Micah Parsons, getting after Julian Sayan, can a new starting offensive tackle for Ohio State hold up against Colin Simmons?

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Trey Wisner to Christian Clark for the Texas Longhorns. I just think it's too much. I do think defense will probably run the day as these teams try to figure out who they are early in the season. So you might be talking about like a 20 to 13, 21-14 type game. But ultimately, I think it goes to the Longhorns. That is my prediction. We'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Reading, playing, learning.

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What is the prediction of the Vice President of the United States? J.D. Vance, noted Ohio State Buckeye fan who dropped the National Championship Trophy when they visited the White House. I asked the Vice President about that moment, his prediction for the game, and much, much more when it comes to the issues facing the United States of America. Let's get into that with story number three. Yesterday, I traveled to lacrosse, Wisconsin. Mid-City Steel, one of the beneficiaries of the Big Beautiful Bill, to sit down with our vice president, J.D. Vance. I hope you enjoy. Mr. Vice President, it's great to see you here.

Good to see you, man. Mid-City Steel, lacrosse Wisconsin, the middle of America to celebrate the Big Beautiful Bill. Of course. Yeah, we're thrilled to be here. And this is one of these businesses, the steel manufacturer, employs a lot of good people, uses a lot of technology. So people, I think, sometimes assume that manufacturing is sort of old, dirty, doesn't use technology. This is a good business, it's an example of leaning into American investment, American innovation. Obviously, the people here have great jobs.

And you know my story will, but I grew up in a town where we were shedding manufacturing jobs because politicians had made stupid decisions. We're now adding manufacturing jobs and adding productivity in this economy thanks to the things that the President and the Republican Congress have done. So we're here to talk about it, here to talk about the benefits of the working family's tax cuts and obviously fire people up a little bit and just, you know, it's good. It's good to get out of Washington. I'm glad to be here. Glad to have you in Middle America.

You bring up Middletown, Ohio. It's a lot like LaCross, Wisconsin. It's not unlike my hometown of Sherman, Texas, all about 40,000 to 50,000 people manufacturing towns. And there's a lot of excitement today, but it hasn't always been that way, to your point. Whether or not it's been job loss, an opioid crisis, a cultural malaise and a sense of loss of purpose, I believe, is deeply rooted in what's happened to Middle America. What do you think that's done to America? Well, I think it was very bad for our country. And all these problems are very connected, right?

You take a dad who's got a good middle-class manufacturing job, is able to support family, a couple of kids, and then that job disappears. Well, now the family is feeling financial stress that it wasn't 10 years ago, it wasn't 20 years ago. So sometimes families dissolve in the wake of that. That stress affects the kids. Some of those people turn to drugs, and all this stuff is very connected. And if you look at what the president is trying to do, it's also all connected.

And I think that it's why it's leading to this very early days of an American Renaissance, because you bring jobs back, you have people hope, optimism, you give a little extra money to spend in their pocket. Maybe some of those people go and start a business. But then simultaneously, we're focused on the southern border because we don't want this poison to come into these communities and destroy people from fentanyl and other related problems. So I kind of think in the same way that America's decline was a problem of interconnected issues. I think this American Renaissance, led by the president, is also interconnected, and we're trying to work on all these different problems because if we solve all these problems, it leads to a virtuous cycle. Well, the Big Beautiful Bill is big. It is interconnected as well.

It is. What would you say to the people that are sitting right on the other side of this curtain? By the way, there is a beautiful bridge being built right on the other side of this curtain. But what would you say to them about the Big Beautiful Bill and how it begins to address the depth of what you just laid out, those problems? Well, I'd say, look, it's all connected. We're going to talk to, obviously, in a little bit, to the crowd that's assembled. We're going to say a few things. Number one is you've got the biggest amount of money for border enforcement that we've seen in our country's history.

Those criminal cartels that are bringing the fentanyl into places like Wisconsin that are killing people by the bushel. We are now going to war against those cartels in a way that we've never done before because of that big beautiful bill. We've also got incredible working families tax cuts to reinvigorate the economy here in Wisconsin. So you've got the child tax credit going up. You've got no tax on overtime, no tax on tips. 27% of Wisconsin workers worked in overtime shift in last year. 5% of Wisconsin workers rely on tips either in part or entirely. So this is going to mean a lot more money in people's pockets.

And of course, if they got more money in their pocket, they can spend it on American-made products. And that's the final point is the President of United States, this is not the main part of the working family's tax cuts. We're going to make it easier to save and invest in the United States of America. the tariffs, of course, are separate. But it's all connected, because if we make it easier to build things in the United States of America, we're also making it harder to build things overseas.

This generation of failed American economic policy where we rewarded companies for put in factories in Mexico or in China or somewhere else. No, we've got to reward people for putting factories right here in Middle America, right here in Wisconsin, employing good American workers to make great American products. That's the whole purpose of President Trump's economic agenda. And again, it's already barren real fruit, but it's going to, I think, lead to a great American Renaissance over the next three years. I saw this this morning, that in 74 out of 100 metro areas in the United States, half of all starter homes are unaffordable for the average American worker.

You're the first millennial vice president. You have personal experience with people of this generation not being able to make that leap, that first economic leap into adulthood, homeownership. Is the system rigged? Oh, the system is absolutely rigged. Look, you go back to the four years of the Biden administration from 2021 until 2025 when we took over, the average price of a new home doubled. That's 100% increase in four years. That priced millions upon millions of young Americans out of the housing market.

Now, there's a little bit of good news here because even though we've only been in power for about seven months, you've already seen home prices flatten off a little bit. They've gone up, depending on what metric you believe, about 1%, maybe less than 1%. That's a big, big improvement, but there's so much more that we got to do. And this is why the President of the United States goes after Jerome Powell for being too late, because, of course, the housing crisis in this country is really two things. Number one, that the prices are too high. We've made some progress on that. In some ways, more importantly, the interest rates are too high.

So even if you can afford the top line dollar value of a home, if the interest rates are way too high because the Federal Reserve isn't doing its job, that also makes the American dream of homeowners. unaffordable. So we're really working on both of those things. We had a lower interest rates, we had a lower housing prices. We've made again progress, but it's early and we realize there's a lot more work to do. Absolutely the system is rigged. You've been a long time critic of the system, but I have been. The vice president of the United States, and one could argue you are the system. So how do you fix a rigged system? Well, we inherited a rigged system, but I think that in seven

months we've already made a lot of progress to fix this. If you go back to, again, a hundred percent housing price increase in four years under Joe Biden. We've already seen that level off under Donald Trump. Now, to fix the rig system, you ask that question, you've got to understand the root causes here. Why did housing get so unaffordable for American citizens two big problems? Number one, I already talked about interest rates were too high. Number two, you had way too many people in this country who are competing against American citizens for scarce homes.

And that's the illegal immigration problem. Why is housing leveled off over the past six months? I really believe the main driver is you've had negative net migration into the United States for the first time in 60 years in this country. You cannot flood the United States of America with 20, 30, 40 million people who have no legal right to be here, have them compete against young American families for homes and not expect the price to skyrocket. It's a simple supply and demand. You increase the demand.

You're going to increase the price. And the final thing I want to say here is we're working on issues right now in the White House every single day because we want to make it easier to build homes too because in the same way that getting illegal aliens out of this country means fewer people competing against young American families. We also want to increase the housing stock in this country by making it easier to build. So we're working on all this stuff. But man, we've got to be honest. The system was rigged against Americans, especially young Americans for a very long time.

We're making progress to un-rig it, but it's going to take some time. You brought up tariffs. You brought up bringing manufacturing back home. I had dinner. I had the opportunity to have dinner a week or two ago in Texas with several big corporate CEOs across the country. And I did hear concern about tariffs. I heard concern not from people who necessarily vote Democrat, but people that are involved in the economy. Their concern was uncertainty. And their concern was that we might see inflation in the fourth quarter of 2025 or the first quarter of 2026. What would you say to those CEOs? Well, let me say a couple of things. So first of all, I understand the point about uncertainty. The president's been very clear here. The countries have a tariff rate. If they open up their market, that tariff rate might go lower. But people at this point, I don't think that there's uncertainty about this.

The president has delivered very clear guidance to the market about what tariff rate each particular country is going to pay. Obviously, in threatening higher tariff rates, he was able to get some markets opened up for our country. But I think at this point, it's pretty clear which countries are going to be paying which tariffs. And again, on this concern about inflation, I've heard people say many years now that Donald Trump's tariffs are gonna cause inflation. They didn't cause inflation during the Trump administration. We keep on defying economists' expectations.

They keep on saying inflation is gonna be three, four, five percent. It ends up being two percent, which is exactly where you want it. So we're very sensitive to this. We're obviously monitoring this stuff. But I think the evidence is that what these tariffs have done has caused a lot of capital flow into our country, a lot of new facilities being built in our country, country. And, you know, we don't see the evidence yet. And I've been skeptical from the very

beginning that President Trump's tariffs are going to cost prices to rise. What they're going to do is cause people to come back into our country. And the final point on this will is the president said this better than anybody. You know what your tariff rate is if you build in the United States of America? It is zero. You don't pay a tariff if you build in the United States. So why not employ American workers? Build your products closer to the people who are going to be consuming those things, that's the whole point of President Trump's economic vision is, more for America, more in America, more by American workers. And if we do that and pursue that policy, it's going to make everybody better off. It's very fair and very accurate. The doomsday predictions have

been consistent and consistently wrong. Well, they remain wrong. Time will tell perhaps later into this year. Let's return to culture for just one moment. Sure. You spend a lot of time talking about Europe, the migration crisis of Germany, of England. You've talked about free speech. Why is it so important for you to focus on Europe? Well, I think in some ways the problems of Europe mirror the problems of America. And anything that I've said about Europe, I've said 10 times and is even as true or more true in the United States of America. We, of course, had a wide open southern border under Joe Biden. I think the Europeans have got to learn the hard lessons.

What happens is you get higher crime, you get less cultural cohesion, you get more just problems that come from importing millions and millions of low-wage foreigners into your country. the Europeans have got to learn that lesson in the same way that I think the United States had to learn that lesson. You've seen in the same way that the Biden administration went after social media companies to censor their fellow citizens, you've seen the very same thing happen in Europe where rather than debate ideas, you have certain European leaders who would rather censor their fellow citizens. So I think fundamentally there's so much cultural similarity between us and Europe. Obviously, the United States was born out of a European country, the United Kingdom.

I think it's important to recognize those cultural similarities. And importantly, what's happening in Europe does affect the United States and vice versa. And so I think it's important for us to step back and say, look, the West, right? That's Europe and America together. We got too comfortable with open borders. We got too comfortable with censorship. And I think the president has shown that if you go in the other direction, if you close down your borders and actually give free speech to your people, you can really energize the culture in these countries.

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And it's a little reflected in what's happening here in America. Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, again, so much of what happens in Europe happens in America and vice versa. You know, sometimes we're on the leading edge of a trend, sometimes they're on the leading edge of a trend. But I remember back in the crazy BLM summer of 2020, I had a buddy of mine say, you know, I was going to put the American flag out today, but I'm worried that some BLM person is going to ransack my house or, you know, come and vandalize it in some way because they see the American flag somehow as this controversial symbol. It's not a controversial symbol. Nothing should be less controversial than the American flag.

It's the one thing that whether you're a Democrat or Republican should unite us all together. We should all love our country, be proud of our country. So again, some of these trends where you have Americans worried about flying the American flag because they think their house is going to get banalized, first of all, that's crazy. Second of all, you see the same thing's happening in Europe, and I think we just have to be on guard against this stuff. It's okay to be proud of your country. It's in fact a good thing to be proud of your country, and we should push back against the crazies who say we should be so ashamed of our culture and of our heritage,

that we shouldn't be willing to fly a flag. It's craziness, we gotta call that craziness out, I'd encourage our European friends to follow soon. You brought up how interconnected every single one of these problems are, from culture to the economy, but if I could say to you, you could snap your fingers, politics be damned,

and you could fix one problem at the root of all of this in America. You forwarded mass migration, you forwarded immigration, talk about the family unit, but what would be the root unit you would snap your fingers and fix? It's probably the migration.

problem. And I think, again, the President of the United States has shown in just a few short months what you can do. We've got a legal border crossings effectively at zero. We've got net migration negative in this country for the first time. And why do I say that? First of all, I think it's very hard to feel, you know, like you're part of the same country when your leadership brings in tens of millions of people uninvited. So that sense of shared American identity, the sense that we're part of the same American family, I think that gets destroyed when you import 20, 30 million people without any Democratic check on it. So that's number one.

Number two, I think it's terrible for the wages of working class people. You see this in every place where you bring in low-wage immigrants. It's bad for the wages of Americans who just want to work a good job and earn a good wage in their communities. And the third thing that I point out is crime and drugs. We know that while most, of course, even illegal immigrants are not bringing in fentanyl, they are used by the cartels as vectors to traffic this illegal poison. And so it makes the opioid problem worse, it makes wages worse, and it makes our sense of common American identity worse.

I think the migration issue really is the root of what went wrong during the Biden administration. By the way, it's why the Democrats are so obsessed with it. You ask yourself, like, what does the modern National Democratic Party believe in? What do they fight most aggressively for? They fight most aggressively to continue to flood the United States with millions and millions of low-wage immigrants. The fact that that is the reason for existing for the Democratic Party should make all Americans sort of step back and say, what the hell is wrong with these people? Zoran Mamdani is the leading candidate for mayor in New York City. Yes, your Mimau, by the way, I think, was a lifelong Democrat.

She was. What do you think it says about the left that Zoran Mamdani is a leading candidate for a big political office as a Democrat? And what would your Mimau say about modern Democrats? I think Mayamol would say, this is crazy. I think that she would say that modern Democratic Party doesn't represent her at all. By the way, there are two things that ma'am all. Yes, she was a lifelong Democrat. She believed in standing up for working people.

She believed in good wages for a good job. She was a, you know, her husband was a union Democrat for 40 years, and that's really where it came from. But one, she thought politicians ought to have a sense of humor. Democrats, the one thing they should learn from President Trump is to laugh at themselves a little bit. They don't have to be so serious. They don't have to get offended at everything. Sometimes it's actually a good thing to have a sense of humor about our political process. And the second thing is, Mamal, she was a Democrat who loved this country and felt gratitude for this country.

She had multiple relatives who served in World War II, who served in World War I. She remembered that war like it was yesterday. She would tell me about World War II and her brother and her dad going off to fight in the Pacific. Does Mondami, when you hear him speak, is this a man who feels gratitude for the United States of America? Is this a man who feels grateful for all of the opportunities, the incredible bounty of this country? I don't know the guy, but my sense is he's had a very good life in this country.

It would be nice for him to occasionally show a sense of gratitude instead of just attacking the United States for all of its problems. You bring up humor. Gavin Newsom sure thinks he's a comedian these days on social media, and so does much of the left. His polling numbers have gone way up since he started mimicking President Trump on social media. Yeah.

What do you make of Governor Newsom? I make a Governor Newsom that you said he's mimicking Donald Trump, and I think that's exactly right. The lesson of Donald Trump, the lesson of President Trump in American politics is you've got to be authentic to yourself. And when I see Gavin Newsom trying to act like Donald Trump, that's the opposite of authenticity. He's not trying to be Gavin Newsom, whoever that is. He's trying to be a fake carbon copy of Donald Trump, and it just doesn't work. You can't, you can't mimic the king, you can't mimic the master. You ought to just go and be yourself, and I think that the American people would like that a lot more than a cheap invitation of the President of the United States.

Two more questions. One important to our country, one important to you and me. This story I know you're aware of out of Minneapolis where this school shooter at a Catholic school killed two young children. Trans identified. The latest in the news is that he may have actually regretted his transition. There's a conversation today. The mayor of Minneapolis says it's hate to focus on his identity. There are others that say it's necessary to tell the truth. What do you make of this story? And by the way, what do you make of the response of so many that seem to reject the prayers of those that want to reach out? It seems to be a real antagonism to spirituality.

Well, I think there are a lot of things here. The first and most important thing, again, I really do see us as one American family. And you have to think about those parents and those kids and what they've gone through, and especially the kids who lost their lives, this is the most heartbreaking thing, imaginable. And we should be praying for those kids. We should be thinking about those families. We should be doing everything that we can to try to help them.

I mean, I took my five-year-old two days ago to his Catholic school where he became a kindergarten, his first day of kindergarten, and then the very next day you see something like this happen. This is just an unbelievable tragedy. And we have to remember that there are a couple of families who yesterday had the worst day of their lives, and it's not going to get much better. from here because of what this evil person took from these families, which is these two beautiful

kids. That's my first response to it. My second response to it is I'm praying every single day, multiple times a day, that while two deaths is tragic, three deaths is even more tragic, and I hope it stays in two, because there still are some kids who seem to be in pretty serious condition at hospitals who are praying for their sweat recovery. And I think on the broader stuff, I mean, look, clearly this person was a mentally deranged human being. Clearly it was a transgender individual. We're going to learn a lot more. And I think the FBI and local authorities,

I ought to try to get to the bottom of this, but you don't go and shoot up innocent children unless you are a clearly screwed up person. And so that's obviously true. But I do think that, look, we are so soon after this tragedy, I guess this is going to air this afternoon, but we're so soon after this tragedy, that I think that it would be nice if we as a country

can unite, say our prayer for these innocent victims, say our prayer for the kids who are still recovering, that they make a full recovery, focus on the investigation and getting to the bottom of this thing, and not immediately make it about politics. And my final point on this is when I see far-left politicians say, how dare you offer thoughts and prayers, you need action, you know, I don't care about your prayers, I care about what you're going to do to prevent this from happening. Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't you pray for the speedy recovery of these kids who literally just got shot yesterday, while at the same time committing to making sure this

doesn't happen again or that it happens as infrequently as possible. I don't think there's anything inconsistent about saying a prayer to God for these innocent, beautiful kids while also thinking constructively about how we're going to prevent this from happening the next time. You can do both of those things. You can hold both of those thoughts in your head at the same time. And Will, if you are a politician or you're a media commentator and two beautiful babies just got murdered while praying, and your politics force you. to contend prayer in response to it. You ought to get new politics because something very wrong has gone on inside your soul. Lastly, on a lighter note, I'm disappointed to see your blue tie.

I, as a specific rebuke to you and the Ohio State Buckeye say, chose a burnt-orn tie. This weekend, we have number one versus number two, the University of Texas versus Ohio State. Let's just revisit what has to be one of your most embarrassing moments as vice president. I can't even imagine what is it like to drop the national championship trophy it's awful let me tell you it's awful and my friends gave me hell for it and it's one of those moments all never lived down i didn't break it though it was made of solid good steel i guess i did analyze it play by play yeah no so i could give you a whole backstory about it i didn't know that there's so it's it's not the base fell off the base is meant to come off right you're not meant to lift it up by the base which is the mistake

that i made you're supposed to just take the trophy out of the base so anyway That was the first error that led to a series of problems. But, you know, I looked at the line yesterday, and I think Ohio State were 12-point dogs to Texas. No, your favorite. I believe you're favored by three. You're at home. You're number two.

Okay. We got to look. Okay. I thought I, somebody sent me a line. That's what I said, because we're in Columbus. Somebody sent me a line that had us minus 11.5. And I was like, that sounds crazy to me. I think it's going to be a good game.

You guys have a hell of a team. Obviously, Archie Manning has good genes. as the president would say, so hopefully he doesn't have too good of a day in Ohio Stadium. You have a prediction? I have one. Texas Longhorns by a million. 3423 Buckeyes. All right.

I can't wait to see you after that. That's a confident prediction. All right. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Good to see it. Thank you. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with the Vice President of the United States.

J.D. Vance. I enjoyed talking to him both on and off camera. We talk about nicotine pouches. We talked about the country. I followed up on a suggested question from tinfoil pad. If you could snap your hands fingers and fix one problem in the United States, what would it be? He said mass migration. He and I continue to talk about that.

And I don't think he would mind me saying, he said, look, you just have to have a country who has common cause, who all believes in the same experiment. Otherwise, you will have a failed country. And I think he's absolutely right. He's really impressive. And he's really personable, by the way, as well. he's a guy he's a dude

but he's also the vice president I hope you enjoyed that conversation and I hope you will subscribe at Apple or on Spotify but we'll be back again next Tuesday hope you have a nice Labor Day enjoy college football hook them horns

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