Will Cain Country - VP Harris Lied In Biden's Mental State Coverup! PLUS, Project 2025 Founder Responds To Criticism

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Story #1: The conspiracy of silence to keep from the American people that the President of the United States is a senile national security threat, and how it was orchestrated by Vice President Kamala Harris. Why Vice President Harris should be held accountable, not promoted. Story #2: The Left is trying to paint former President Donald Trump as an 'authoritarian' thanks to a transition plan by a conservative think tank. What really is Project 2025? Will is joined by the President of the Heritage Foundation and the quarterback of Project 2025, Dr. Kevin Roberts. Story #3: Will and the 'Willitia' respond to your comments. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, the conspiracy of silence to keep from the American people that the president of the United States, the leader of the free world is spent. He's washed. He's compromised. He's a threat to national security. A conspiracy and a cover-up, in part led by the inheritor of his parties. for president, Kamala Harris. Two, the project to make Donald Trump an authoritarian. The project to take us on a path to the handmaid's tail. What is Project 2025 with Heritage's Kevin Roberts? Three, a conversation, comments from you and a conversation with the Willisha. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and always on demand, wherever you get your audio entertainment, just hit.

Subscribe on Apple or on Spotify. If you're listening to this, broadcasting on the radio, market to market across the country, you can listen to us anytime you like by just subscribing on Apple or on Spotify or hang out with us live. Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern Time, 9 o'clock Pacific by just subscribing on YouTube. What an insane holiday weekend. What an ominous week ahead. A report for Politico said get ready because this week is going to be lit. And that provoked the ire of Rachel Vindeman, public servant, Rachel Vindeman, spouse to Alexander Vindeman, whistleblower to Donald Trump. How dare you describe this week as going to be lit? This is my democracy.

This is my life. These people have let themselves slip into the dystopian world where they are the main character. And Donald Trump will soon go after them and jail them. Chris Matthews marched off in handcuffs to Devil's Island. This is the dystopian view. They believe that they are living in. And by the way, it's best explained. by Taraji P. Henson, actress at the Essence Award, when she described exactly what's at stake.

What's on the line here, whether or not it's Joe Biden or somebody else in stopping Donald Trump and Project 2025. Watch. Time for us to play chess, not checkers. It's about making decisions that will affect us as human beings, our careers, our next generations to come. Did you know that it is now a crime to be homeless? Pay attention. It's not a secret. Look it up.

They are attacking our most vulnerable citizens. The Project 2025 plan is not a game. Look it up. It's not a game. Look it up. What is Project 2025? It has everyone on the left. From Black Twitter to Luke Skywagon.

Walker telling us we are headed down the path of the Handmaid's Tale. Let's today welcome in one of the authors a little bit later. Kevin Roberts of Heritage, one of the authors of Project 2025. What is Project 2025? We had news over Fourth of July weekend. I hope you had a nice time. We had President Joe Biden on ABC with George Stephanopoulos. We had mounting Democrats calling for him to step aside. And we had the Wilicia on the receiving end of a very warm and welcoming text from me on, I believe it was a Friday or Saturday night. Two at A's Young Establishment James 10-4-Pa-Pack. You guys got my message. Yes. There it is. Flashed across your screen. Yes, I'll put it back up real quick. Hold on one second. Yes, this was the text. This is on the

Will Kane show text chain, all of us. I texted the group, good night. Love you. I said, you too, bro. At which point I said, oops. I was like, what is going on here? 8.30. 8.30. Uh-huh. Yeah, on a Saturday night, 8.30.

Good night. Love you. Wasn't meant for you, fellas. Although the feeling is there. It's legitimate. It was intended for the wife. Yeah, man, I go to bed at 8.30. when I'm in New York

Or I try to That's when I sign off That's what I sign off I got a bad habit Of watching Stuff on my iPad Or on the television And letting that roll

To like 10 o'clock At which point with a 4 a.m. Wake up call, I'm down to 6 hours of sleep Which is not, that doesn't work for me I know there's a lot of warriors out there Who operate on 4 to 6 Not me. I like 6 to 8

And closer to 8 than to 6 So, yeah, man, I sign off about 8.30. Yeah, that part threw me off. I was like, wait, good night. I'm like, it's Saturday night. But then you are up early or you are doing stuff, but it makes sense. You're right. That's my social life.

Where you guys just, probably James, is just gearing up to head out on the town. Probably not even out on the town. There's nothing to do at 830, right, James? Stuff doesn't start, it doesn't start popping off until 11, right? We were playing Pong on the roof with some music and some sunset. Wow, my life has changed. You got a good night text from the boss. I'm like, oh.

I know. I was on the couch with my fiancé. I just like, I turned my phone over to her. I was like, what do you think this means? That's good job security right there. Good night. Love you. I'm not a very, very frequent violator of that, of sending a text to the wrong person. But it happened. Sorry, fellas. I hope you enjoyed your Saturday night. We're going to have a big show. We're going to enjoy today's show. We're going to get into what is Project 2235. But first, let's catch up with what ended up. being a holiday weekend filled with news, setting us up for a week where we might actually have

a change in who's running for president of the United States. Let's get started with story number one. Kamala Harris has spent the last six months defending the mental acuity, sharp as attack, of the sitting president of the night, Joe Biden. Here's a sampling of what she's had to say from February through June, after Robert Hur, the special counsel, gave a deposition in the fall to Joe Biden, where he said essentially that he was too senile to prosecute. Kamala Harris and every other Democrat that has now seen the light, both in the media and among elected officials, rode with their ride or die, lied to the American people, covered up the senility, covered up the threat to national security that is Joe Biden. Watch.

some within your own party are wondering president Biden should even step aside what do you say to that yes there was a slow start but it was a strong finish Joe Biden is extraordinarily strong people can debate on style points but ultimately this election and who is the president of the United States has to be about substance I would suggest that this substance that matters to the American people is whether or not their president can form a sentence more importantly form a thought, complete a sentence, more importantly, complete a thought. That kind of sentiment, writing or dying with Joe Biden from Kamala Harris, wasn't just after the disastrous CNN presidential debate.

She went after special counsel Robert Herr in February and said it was partisan, said it was hackery, and said it was untrue. She, by the way, was like everyone else in mainstream media. You could listen to clips of George Stephanopoulos or anyone else saying that it was a right-wing conspiracy, that it was a cheap fake to question. the competency of Joe Biden. But after that scene in presidential debate, many, many have seen the light. It is fascinating now to see, as Warren Buffett said, when the tide goes out, who's swimming

with their trunks off, who's skinny dipping. And in truth, it's the entirety of the Democratic apparatus and party in the mainstream media that supports Democrats. But some decided to run out of the water and run for their bathing suits. Morning Joe freaked out and said it's time for Joe Biden to step aside. The attacks from the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, CNN, have all essentially, if not set out right, led to the tone of, oh my God, he's got to go. Elected officials, now the count is roughly up to nine Democrats in Congress. Washington rep Adam Smith, New York Representative Jerry Nadler, California Representative Mark Takano, New York rep Joe Morelli, Minnesota rep Angie Craig, Illinois rep, Mike Quigley,

Massachusetts rep, Seth Moulton, Arizona rep, Raul Graalva, and then former Obama, HUD, Secretary Julian Castro, current sitting Congressman Lloyd Doggett, former Representative Tim Ryan, all Democrats have joined the freak out. It's time for Joe Biden to step aside. That in and of itself is a controversy. It's in and of itself a scandal that these people, seemed to have seen the light overnight. Of course, they didn't see the light overnight. They knew, everyone knew that Joe Biden was compromised. The only difference between then and now is it's compromised his ability to win. They're not concerned that it's compromised the national security of the United States of America. And for that, we demand accountability. There was a movie in the 1990s called Dave, where the president was incapacitated. They looked for a lookalike, found one, an actor Kevin Klein. The character played by Kevin Klein, we're not far from exactly what took place in Dave. And if that's not one of the biggest scandals of the

past half century, I don't know how we define the term scandal. Joe Biden called in this morning to morning Joe. He was much better than he was with George Stephanopoulos last Friday on ABC. His interview with George Stephanopoulos was hoarse. It was wandering. It was we. It was we. It wasn't as bad as the scene in presidential debate, but it was on the same album. Maybe not the same song, but within the same playlist. It didn't calm the waters. This morning on morning, Joe, with a phoner where he could read, even he admitted at times during that that he was reading a list of self-described Donald Trump's lies. He could read.

He came across more energetic or at least more angry and a little more capable. But it's not about how capable you are in moments. It's about how capable you are in all moments when you are the president. But if this is, as I suggest, a national security threat, we need to hold every single person around the president accountable. Ron Claim, Chief of Staff, top leaders in Congress and the Senate, from Chuck Schumer to Hakeem Jeffries. We need to hold Jill Biden and Hunter Biden accountable.

And importantly, we need to hold accountable the vice president of the United States. If she is the beneficiary of an apparatus now decided it no longer wants Joe Biden, she can't go and inherit that throne without being accountable for the lies that created the situation where it was needed for her to inherit that throne. She can't perpetuate one of the biggest scandals of the past half century on the American people and then go on to lead the American people. We need accountability, and that accountability has to start with Vice President Kamala Harris. We'll see what the week's events lead to, whether or not by the time I speak to you on Thursday.

I'll be with you Tuesday and Wednesday. But let's give us an over or under until Thursday on whether or not Joe Biden will still be the Democratic nominee for president in 2024. Now, what is this big, bad, dystopian, authoritarian path to the Handmaid's Tale? What is Project 2025? That next, with one of its authors, Heritagees, Kevin Roberts on The Will Cain Show. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason and the House podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com.

or wherever you download podcasts from the fox news podcasts network hey there it's me kennedy make sure to check out my podcast kennedy saves the world it is five days a week every week download and listen at foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast The dystopian nightmare that leads to Donald Trump being an authoritarian, it's so important that it needed to be aired during an award show on BET. What is Project 2025? It is the Will Kane show, streaming live at foxnews.com, on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand. Just hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify. If you're watching this right now on YouTube, just go to the text description underneath this live stream. You'll see a button right there for the Will

Kane Show page. On that page, you're going to find past episodes. You're going to find interviews like that with Kevin Costner or Donald Trump. And if you hit subscribe, you'll be able to hang out. Catch up with us at any time you like here on the Will Kane show. Schedule F. Project 2025. Here is John Oliver. Project 2025 is born from an impulse as old as America. It's an impulse that says one class of Americans is entitled to lead, and the rest of us are lucky to be allowed to serve, that thinks

there should be a limited government when it comes to rules they have to live by, but also a unitary executive to keep the rest of us in line. These are old, old ideas that have been shouted from podiums by the likes of George Wallace and Pat Buchanan, but have now been placed into a new handbook for

an only two willing president to use on day one. And in a perfect world, I would love if we had an opposing party better able to articulate a strong defense of our country's ideals and that also consistently lived up to them. That was the end of a 20-minute monologue on John Oliver's HBO show. If you are watching right now and you are a self-styled conservative, you can consider yourself on the right, but you're not dug deep into policy and politics, it's very

probable you've never heard of Project 2025. If you watch John Oliver or MSNBC or BET, it is very probable that you believe Project 2025 is the playbook to Nazism. So let's find out exactly what it is. Let's bring in the president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, the Heritage Foundation, one of the groups behind authoring Project 2025, and he's here now on the Will Kane Show. What's up, Kevin? Good to see you. Well, it's great to see you. Thanks for everything you do. thanks for having me on. Yeah, I'm glad to have you on. If I ask you this open-ended question, which I think is where we have to start, you could begin by giving me a 20-minute monologue, like John Oliver. But I think I have to start here, and hopefully we can walk through this

conversationally together. What is Project 2025? It is the most organized set of policy ideas that the conservative movement has ever put together in history. And Heritage is one of just one of 110 organizations that are part of it. It is basically the entire menu of what grassroots conservatives who have been subjugated by the left's concentration of power in Washington and state capitals around the country have designed to do. It's candidate agnostic. It's something that heritage has done every four years. But what we wanted to do for this year, Will, and I promise, I'm not going to give you a 20-minute monologue, is to make sure that well before the primaries, both the Republican and Democrat primary, that we brought the center right together in this country

around the idea of correcting actually the thing that John Oliver is talking about. In other words, the left is really good at projection. They're the ones who are guilty of subjugating our freedom, of essentially ending individual American sovereignty. And what we're trying to do, a very calm, peaceful way is bring some order back to D.C. All of that to say that we have offered a briefing of Project 2025 to every country. candidate across the political spectrum, including President Biden because we're a nonpartisan group, even though we are, of course, unabashedly conservative. And you might say that all of this

attention just means we're right over the target. Americans are ready to have their country back, and we look forward to that happening. I'm glad you brought up the concept of projection. I think it is rampant in our political discourse. And when I watched, I did watch the entirety of the 20-minute monologue by John Oliver, it occurred to me exactly that. so much projection that if you're attempting to cut back on permanent Washington, you're attempting to give people a greater democratic voice. He sees it in the opposite. And I want to get into the substance. And I want to talk about some of what Project 2025 is about. But you point out, and I think very accurately, the left has really hyperventilated. They've turned this, either they

legitimately have hyperventilated or turned it into a scare tactic to motivate their base into voting. And Kevin, it seems to have worked to some degree. because over the weekend, Donald Trump has distanced himself from Project 2025. I think I've characterized that perfectly. He said, basically, I don't know who's behind it, whether or not that's true. I doubt that that's true, by the way. And he said, it is not part of my governing agenda. I don't know or have much to do with Project 2025. What do you take away from Donald Trump distancing himself from your project? Well, first of all, thanks for the question. I think that if you consider that the Biden campaign has spent $15 million on attack ads, obviously primarily on President Trump, our

standard bearer this year, but some millions of those have gone against Project 2025 in particular, then if you're running for president and you're trying to win not just any campaign, but what we think at Heritage is the most significant campaign in modern American history, then it makes sense that politically you want to pivot from that. There are no hard feelings from us at Project 2025 or heritage about that. We love President Trump. And we love President Trump in addition to him personally, but also because his policy record when he was president of the United States is so much better than President Biden's has been. All of that to say that it's also important to remember, as we say all the time, President Trump's the boss. If he wins, he's going to make the

decisions. Project 2025 is merely a menu from which he might be able to choose. And as a database of personnel who are willing to go into office and work for him if he so chooses. But one final point that's important is that this is a reflection of grassroots conservatism. It is, regardless of what anyone thinks on the left or the right or the center, the most unified project in the history of the conservative movement, and it's not going anywhere. And I want to get into, and I'm going to get into with the time we have together, the nuts and bolts on what projects 2025 believes policy-wise and how it proposes itself to be a bit of a handbook for an incoming president. But back to President Trump for just a minute, Kevin.

Is it your understanding that he has distanced himself from it because the left, because you brought up how much they've spent in demonizing Project 2025? Is it your understanding he's distanced himself from your project because they've successfully demonized Project 2025? Or is it, is it because he has substantive policy disagreements with some of what you've recommended? I think if you look at the spending against Project 2025 by the Biden campaign and whatever the affiliated Super PACs have spent, it's the former. It's that if you're trying to win a campaign and Project 2025 has become the one thing that the left can talk about because they can't defend Biden's record or, frankly, his mental capabilities. I don't say that to be ugly

towards him as a person, then you've got to turn to something else. They can't turn to President Trump's record as president because it was terrific. So they found this one boogeyman, Project 2025. And if you're the political candidate who is sort of victimized by this amount of spending on this, it makes perfect political sense to do that. There are, of course, across the conservative movement, so including President Trump, policy differences. I mean, the point of Project 2025 is not to say that 100% of this must be implemented by the next president. We've never been that presumptuous. In fact, that this whole point of this is to be of service to any administration.

It's more likely to be of service to a conservative one. But the point is I think President Trump obviously is going to make great decisions, as he did toward the latter half of his administration in his first term. We think that Project 2025 continues to be a huge help because it is a representation of the entire conservative movement. And would this be a good example, Kevin? I believe J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio have also sort of distanced President Trump as advocates for Trump or surrogates for Trump, distance themselves at least in part from Project 2025. Would a good example of that be perhaps? There's been a mischaracterization that Project 2025 would push for a national abortion ban. I don't think that's part of your 900 page presentation. But you are opposed to the abortion pill, the drug. And I believe J.D. Vance said very recently, like in the last 24 hours, He's not, for example. So, and I'm not sure where President Trump is on that. I think he's the same as J.D. Vance when it comes to the abortion pill.

So is that an example in your understanding of a policy difference that you guys would have a project 2025 that is in disagreement with Vance, Rubio Trump? Yeah, great question. That's an excellent example of an issue where there might be some daylight between the aspirations long term about social and cultural improvement, where we have an entirely pro-life country. that's something that's far upstream of society. But even at Project 2025 and at Heritage, we understand that the political dynamics, this election cycle or such, that you want to run on other issues where the left and particularly President Biden have been so awful.

President Trump and Senator Rubio, Senator Vance, I should say all three of them personal friends, are men who are saying, we can go win this election on closing the border, on ending the nonsense of the Green New Deal, of repairing the American economy, of making sure, of making sure that when you go to the grocery store and to the gas station, you're not paying 30% inflation over three and a half years. Those are the issues rightly in a political sense that we need to be talking about in order for conservatives to prevail in this election.

But I should also say that on these matters of differences of opinion, and there are very few, that the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 will always be aspirational about sovereignty for everyone, including sovereignty of the unborn. All right. Let's go through some of the characterizations. I don't even want to call it criticism because I haven't found much substantively. It's a war of characterization right now on what is Project 2025. So let's go through some of the characterizations and then your explanation of what is Project 2025. Here is Jamel Hill. She tweeted the following. This is regarding how the media should be covering Trump versus Biden. And Hill says, that the media should have been reporting on Project 2025 from the start. They haven't been, and certainly not with the same breathless intensity of VP Harris's likability or Biden's age. Mark Ruffalo, the Incredible Hulk, tweeted the following. He said, Project 2025 is not a game. It's white Christian nationalism.

It is Sharia law of the Christian crazy people who aren't Christian at all, but want to control every aspect of your life. life through their narrow and exclusive interpretation of Christ's egalitarian, inclusive, and kindly teachings. Do not be fooled by Project 2025's extremist and perverse ideology. Trump is bringing to all of our lives abortion, LGBTQA, a lot of letters, rights, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of education and equality between the races and genders, all of that gone. Forced birth and forced religion. Trump's American Taliban. Mark Ruffalo, Kevin, on your project 2025.

100% wrong. He needs to take a class in reading, comprehension, and logic. In fact, from this old logic and history teacher, Will, as you know, I give him an F-minus for using the fallacy of the straw man. So, and that's basically been the entirety of the leftist characterization. Other very inferior media outlets to your own constantly engaged in mischaracterization, mischaracterization. But let me say on this point, it's really important that we have an intellectually honest conversation about policy, about the vision for America. Heritage and I are willing to do that any time, as you know, if someone wants to be intellectually honest and deal with the facts. But literally, everything that he said that you just read about Project 2025 is wrong. And so we are real excited about the opportunity that the left is created to elevate this so-called controversy about a project that actually

reflects the center right of this country. All of that to say that what we'll be doing over the next few weeks is showing the myths about Project 2025. We're going to be punching back at the radical left, the common political opponent we have along with our friend, President Trump. And I think when hopefully he is taking office January 20th, 2025, we're going to leave the observations to the talking heads that we're going to see he's going to make great decisions. them are very much in a line with Project 2025. And where there are differences of opinion, we've always known that. This is completely in service to what he wants to do in spite of the scare tactics of the radical left. All right. Well, I appreciate that desire to elevate the

conversation around policy. So how about this? If you'll accept the invitation, Kevin, I invite Mark Ruffalo to come on the Will Kane show here and have a very honest, open conversation about what he believes Project 2025 to be, you to explain what you. you intended Project 2025 to be and see if we can arrive at some level of understanding. I hope that he would accept that invitation, but he might rather deal in hyperbole and hyperventilation and propaganda about what it is. Or maybe he wins the debate and he proves that you are not telling the truth about Project 2025, Kevin. So he's welcome to come have that conversation here on the Will Kane show. All right, let's talk first. There's a couple of specifics

I want to hit. So let's talk about Schedule F. That's what John Oliver spent 20 minutes. on. Now, Schedule F, and you can tell me if I'm characterizing this right, because I don't consider myself an expert, Kevin. But this is basically the HR department, the HR wing, the hiring practices of the federal government. In that monologue, Kevin, your colleague Russ Vaught has been on the Will Cancho here, and we've talked about this. I've talked about this with many other people. It's fascinating. He admits there's something like, what is it, Kevin, over two million federal employees. Only of those two million, is it 4,000 that are political appointees, and the remaining 1.96 million federal employees are what you and I have, and we'll admittedly

say somewhat derisively, described as permanent Washington. These are people there on a constant basis, regardless of administration. And is it correct that Schedule F, your proposal is, to move many of those jobs that are permanent into politically appointed? So that I would assume, in your estimation, they better reflect the democratic ideal of whoever was elected. In their characterization, by the way, they'd say so that you're hiring yes, men and not experts in their field. That is 100% correct. So thank you, Will Kane, for giving an A-plus answer on that. Let me be specific. There are 2.2 million federal employees. Let's posit that they're all great people. I'm willing to do that because I love fellow Americans. But we then also have to posit that there are too many of them in those jobs.

if you go ask that question of average Americans, they will say the same thing, not because they wish any harm against anyone who works for the federal government, but they believe that this concentration of power, which is intensified under the Obama and Biden presidencies, has to come to an end. And so Schedule F is but one vehicle that that can happen. It might be that some of these employees are able to retain their jobs and go to offices outside D.C. That would be great. It might be they go to the private sector. And maybe that some of these jobs come to an end, all for the more important purpose of saying that until we devolve power from Washington, D.C., back to the American people, we are going to continue to live in a regulatory state that runs roughshod over our rights. In fact, I could take practically every screed that has been issued about Project 2025 and turn it on its head using the same exact language and say, in fact, what the left is arguing is what they're guilty of. And let me just make one prediction for you. We're going to be telling that story between now and Election Day. So when you bring that up, Kevin, I assume this takes us back to where we began our conversation.

That's a bit about projection. So look, if you have 2 million employees who, let's for now say, let's just characterize them as non-political appointees. That means they stay in their jobs regardless of whoever is the president. Then by their very nature, they are less susceptible to the Democratic process. process. They're less accountable, less answerable to the democratic process, right? They survive. They work there. They run the agencies, the FDA, NASA, whatever it may be. They run it no matter who is the president. And the president is a reflection of democracy. He is elected with his vision. So it's your proposal, just so I understand, to make fewer of those insulated from political pressure. So you would rather see more of those jobs under the president. direction. And if I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, Kevin, I would say, and therefore more responsive to democracy. That is exactly right. So I can tell that you're a fellow Longhorn went to the University of Texas law school, right? Because you came back to your

question, right, Kevin? Can we just jump in and just to the current bait? The real UT. Yeah, that's exactly right. But to your very important question, sorry for the little bit of interjection there, but it's nice to have fun and easy and laugh once in a while. That's the point. Look, I'm an early American historian, and in the first 20 years or so of our wonderful republic, 100% of federal employees other than the very small standing Army and Navy were political appointees. And so for those of us at Heritage, where we are originalists, we believe that while society has changed, and there can be a certain number of federal employees who are under the civil service protection. The reason the founder said they wanted a huge percentage of them to be

political appointees is because the president of the United States is the representation of the people in the executive branch. And so he or she must have power to hire and fire at will. The left, of course, when they hear this, they see this as a great threat to its power because it is. They really have to have this system of not just bureaucracy, but this concentrated power in D.C. I actually think that is the precise reason that the radical left has gone so apoplectic over this wonderful plan. And what you and I both know, and this is where I'm being less of your inquisitor and more just, you know, what you and I agree on is there's ideological capture within those two millions. So if they're permanent, it's a permanent direction for the United States of America that

could be antithetical to the will of the American people. It was just a fact. We know this. it's the OJ, the FBI, or, you know, the National Health Services, whatever may be. There's ideological capture in these jobs. Now, you and I could have another hour-long conversation about why. I mean, why is the oil industry, largely conservative? You know, why is the media overwhelmingly liberal? Well, government employees are overwhelmingly liberal. And so it's ideological capture that is antithetical to the will of the public.

But here's their argument, and I want to give them their best foot forward, their argument would be, okay, but many of these people, NASA, whatever, they're experts in their field, Kevin. They know what they're doing. And with experience comes expertise. And if you have your way, you'll have people who are answering to non-experts. What does President Trump know about NASA, you know, or whatever, you know, physics and astronomy? But their motivation now will be to please the president and they'll turn into yes men and they won't be experts pursuing science or the best possible outcome in their field. I love the fact that you want to present the best, most logical, rational version of the left's argument, because that's what we do at Heritage.

We want to be sure that we're actually being fair to the other side. So there, to cut to the chase will, there will no doubt be agencies. NASA is perhaps an excellent example where something like Schedule F would not have much impact because we need the scientific expertise there. But in other areas, I think about the Department of State, it's the most common complaint that I hear. as I travel the world on behalf of American conservatives, that the Department of State are career bureaucrats, maybe perfectly fine people, are not aligned with the political will, the popular will of the American people because they think that they can just live in these far-fung places and do what they do. But my favorite example is a lifelong educator is something

on which President Trump and Project 2025 agree on 100 percent, so much so that we're following his messaging on this. And that is, we are, if he's elected, I believe, going to be able to begin the elimination of the U.S. Department of Education. There's an example where devolving power from D.C., blocking that money to government-funded schools and districts at the state and local level is going to be excellent. Those people in the Department of Education have very fancy credentials after their name, and they may be perfectly fine people. But we know that after nearly 50 years of spending trillions of dollars on federalized education, the only thing that's happened in spite of their expertise is a steady decline in educational attainment for the first

time in the history of this country. So I do think we have to recognize the scientific expertise where it's important, but also recognize another important fact, which is the word expertise is often used to shroud an ideological agenda knowing that a majority of federal employees who give politically give to the Democrat Party. And we've learned that. I think even non-conservatives have learned that over the past five years, that ideology has been shrouded in the mantle of expertise. So when you want to cut the Department of Education, people are going to say, oh, then you're opposed to education. It can get, it just stops really short. Here's a great example. Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill has

characterized Project 2025 like this. We can put it up on screen. It's a ton of list of things that he says Project 2025 is, Kevin, including cut Medicare, cut Social Security, end no-fault divorce, in civil rights, and DEI protections in government, some of which I'm sure a lot of this is actually true, end birthright citizenship, ban Muslims from entering the country, and on and on, this is sort of the meme. This is the hyperbole. This is Luke Skywalker, turning you into the American Taliban. Isn't it terrible when one of your childhood heroes, Luke Skywalker, is so wrong about things. But, you know, maybe he's been spending some time with Yodo because he gets two or three things right. We are, if President Trump wins and he elects to use some of the plans of

Project 2025, again, totally his choice. We are going to close the border as a country. We are going to tighten up our immigration laws so that people who want to come here legally, probably more of a merit-based system are able to do so. We're also absolutely going to end the Department of Education if President Trump means what he says, and I believe he does about that. So at least Luke Skywalker got a couple of things right. All right, last thing about Project 2025, Kevin, to keep your day on schedule and let you go on time. It's a handbook. It's a policy guide, but it's also a personnel guide, right? So the idea is one of the things that comes up a lot. Now, this is a conversation, I would say, Kevin, that I have often with those on the right, but maybe more on the center right, who are concerned, well, who's President Trump going to hire?

You know, your proposal, again, I think it's recommendations. Obviously, President Trump has distanced himself, for whatever his reasons may be, but you have not just policy recommendations, but personnel recommendations, right? So who would be in his cabinet? Who would be running different things at multiple levels, right? So is your goal to be sort of almost like a turnkey zip recruiter for President Trump to staff his administration? If he so chooses. And, you know, the likelihood is he will take some of those recommendations and not take some of the others. There can be no hard feelings about that because we understand how administrators and administrations make decisions.

But basically, the personnel side are Project 2025, I think, is the most important. It's the part of Project 2025 that replicates for the first time. history of American conservatism, what the left has done for decades. They always have thousands of people ready to go into those politically appointed jobs. The right has never been organized on this scale to do this with 110 organizations participating in this. I think the key thing for those of us on the center right to remember is that we're trying to recruit as many people from outside Washington with great competence, credentials, and expertise to go into the next administration, if President Trump so chooses, because these are people who understand we have to

devolve power from Washington if we want to take this country back. You know, you're tempted to laugh off the hyperventilation of, you know, the BET Awards or whatever it was. But they have worked themselves up into a frothing mouth frenzy about your project. By the way, just to belabor or torture a metaphor, so have Tennessee fans, Kevin. I don't know if you've kept that. Now the Texas is in the SEC, Tennessee fans are very, they're waging a new battle on who the real UT is. I don't know if you've seen it, but like the logos, the colors, they are uncanny how similar they are. And I think, Kevin, since we're both, you're a historian and I like reading history, I think Texas predates Tennessee on a lot of these things, meaning the logo and calling itself UT.

I could be wrong, Volz. I could be wrong. But the point on the foaming mouth, I don't know how Kevin feels. This isn't a fight I care about. Like, I'm busy. I got the Aggies and the Sooners over here. I don't need to have a war with Tennessee. I love Tennessee.

Davey Crockett's Tennessee. I'm with you on that. Yeah, we could be much more focused on some other longtime opponents. And, you know, as always say, you know, one little nod to our volunteer fans, we needed them in order to win at the Alamo. So I'm grateful to him. But look, baseball sports, it's a nice break from some of the toxic rhetoric of the left. Conversations like this is what we need more of, both on the left and the right and in the center.

And frankly, in spite of the silliness of some of this project 2025 mischaracterization, I think that most Americans, and I credit President Trump for clarifying this in the last few weeks, simply want a return to normal. They're just ready for some common sense. And I look forward to doing that and maybe watching some Texas football with you. All right. Well, thank you for jumping on today and shedding light on Project 2025. I'm excited to see what you're going to continue to do to either punch back or turn the lights on regarding it. And maybe we can set up some of that here on the Will Kane show. Kevin Roberts, the president of heritage. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Thanks so much. Appreciate it, Will. All right. There you goes. Kevin Roberts here on the Will Kane show. As you may or may not have heard, this is what the left would prefer to talk about. It is. They don't want to talk about Joe Biden's senility. They do not want to talk about that. They don't want to talk about that. They don't want to talk about that. They don't want to. talk about the mounting Democratic officials who are asking Joe Biden to step aside. They do not

want to talk about Kamala Harris. They do not want to talk about the CNN presidential debate. And in some way, I guess, we accommodated their desires by talking about what they want to talk about, Project 2025. But at some point, you have to tell the truth. You can't let hyperbole, foaming at the mouth, hyperventilation win the day. And so there's a little light on what exactly is Project 2025. All right. Your comments, a conversation. with the Willisha. Next on the Will Cain Show. Fox News Audio presents Unsolved with James Patterson.

Every crime tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at Fox True Crime.com. Maria Perulis on YouTube. says Tennessee loves you guys. Texas loves Tennessee. I mean, that's, I think that's our brother state.

I mean, I know that Tennessee isn't called the volunteers just because so many went to fight in the battle for the Republic of Texas because Tennesseans have volunteered for a lot. But it's certainly part of why you're the Vols, and we're appreciative of Tennessee. Nina Santiago says on YouTube, Joe is a fried chicken. Don't know what that means, but I like it.

He's a fry chicken. I like that better than he's chicken fried. he's a fry chicken like he's not an egg laying chicken he's not a breeding chicken he's a fried chicken it is the will cane show streaming live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel and the fox news facebook page always on demand hit subscribe apple spotify or right here on youtube and jump into the comic section like alex williamson who says dr roberts talking about kevin roberts president of the herds foundation who was just here on the will can't show please leave our Constitution alone.

I do not think Project 2025 proposes to change the United States Constitution. Kathy B. says, how about no more sales taxes on food? There was a time, and I think that we have moved on to much, you know, necessarily over the past decade, had conversations, debates that are much bigger. There was a time when we, this is how we like the president, like fights over taxes. And I do still think it's important. Like, remember Herman Kane had an interesting tax? Was it, you know, 9-9-9 tax proposal?

I mean, reforming the tax code would be one of the most transformative things that we could possibly do in America. I mean, it should be able to fit, was it Rick Perry that always said? It should be able to fit, like, on a note card. It shouldn't be pages and pages of exceptions and rules. It should be simple. Now, whether or not that's a sales tax or whether or not that's a flat tax, I don't know. We do have to, well, we don't want. to return to the politics of 2012 or 2008, we do need to return at some point to taxes.

Lisa Nicole Shepard says, Maga, make affordable groceries again. And surrounded by Keith says, my MAGA friends never heard of Project 2025, just like Trump. So that's some of the comments coming in right now. Let's bring in the Willis of the guys. Two at A's Young Establishment James, tin foil pat here into the Will Cain Show. We had a lot of comments as well today's last week about Kamala Harris, who is making her way to the center circle of the circus tent, master of ceremonies. She is becoming increasingly, like the person that Rob Reiner or Damon Lindeloff, the creator of Lost, want to see as their nominee for president.

Yeah, I think people are kind of dumbfounded by it. I don't know why, you know, should. her, you know, popularity is not as big, but people were saying things like this. I think Kamala is more hated than Hillary, which, I don't know. Can I just take a minute there? That's Lyons' hardification on YouTube. I think Kamla is more hated than Hillary. Interesting.

I don't think that's true either, two days. Hillary managed to achieve a level of revulsion that very few other politicians have achieved. But I will say, Kamala, like I said earlier, she's not of the same song, but she's on the same album. And I'm going to tell you something, you know who really doesn't like either one of them? Women. And I'm going to tell you, it's visceral. Like when you're watching TV and they come on, I can't tell them what times I've heard from women. Now, I don't know what that is.

I don't know if that's stylistically, because I don't think it's just women hating women. You know what? You didn't hear that for Condoleezza Rice. You didn't. Women weren't like, oh, here comes Conneleza Rice. And I do think it has something to do with Kamala's laugh. I definitely think it has to do that. I think it has to do with her word salad, just her general stylistic presentation.

Yeah, I think that, that hyena cackle. The one caveat if Kamala somehow gets elected will be that, Hillary Clinton saw another woman become the first president of the United States in her lifetime. So what do you mean one caveat? Like, how mad would Hillary be? Oh, my goodness. That would be so, such a bummer for Hillary. Yeah.

It really would. Sometimes I use my mom as an example. She's like a passive political person. And she's like, I just can't stand that Hillary. I just can't stand that Hillary. Straight over her husband. How does your mom feel about Kamala? Not a fan.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. But for no reason. I don't know why. Just not a fan. I don't think women hated Nikki Haley. And I don't even think it's a left-right thing. I don't know that even I've had enough exposure to Gretchen Whitmer to say, but I'm going to guess.

Here's my guess right now that women wouldn't be so turned off by Gretchen Whitmer, like they are to Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. So I don't think it's necessarily a left-right thing. I just think those are two individuals that for some reason women are turned off by Clinton and Harris. Yeah, and we've got a lot of comments like this one about a Trump Harris debate would be pretty interesting if you want to read that. Yeah, this is from Tammy Bushnell 920. A Trump versus Harris debate would be hilarious. Kamala is as brain dead as Joe just in a different way. One thing I want to say about that is it's interesting.

Kamala is really bad but she can be better like if we're being real that clip that we played at the start of the Will Kane show today where she was with Anderson Cooper she was a pretty good defender of Joe Biden after that horrific performance in the CNN presidential debate and she was early

she didn't wait to get her talking points or she may have gotten quickly but she didn't wait to follow other more practiced or polished communities communicators. She came up with the line that the entire campaign is repeating now, which is let's not let a bad 90 minutes erase three and a half years. They're going to brag about their three and a half years. My only point is she did pretty good. And the reason I think about this when it comes to that debate, I think a lot of people said she beat Mike Pence in that vice presidential debate back then. Remember that debate? That was the one where the fly was landing on Mike Pence's head. That's all they talked about. What she did. Now we'll give you this, James. It was 2020. the world was different in 2020 that was pandemic that was George Floyd riots that was the world living on social media because we were all locked up in our homes to some degree and she mastered like the memeification of politics do you remember that

yeah like I'm speaking I'm speaking here the real stylistic like don't talk down to me white man you know like she just had all the superficial stylistic things that made the internet go crazy um there's a skill now maybe it didn't for the real, maybe it's the opposite of how people feel in the real world to the point of women not liking her. But maybe Kamala would do actually better than Joe in a debate against Donald Trump. I don't know. We have more comments like this one.

This one says, I can't read the name, but he's got a Wyoming flag as his time. This is why doesn't exist. W.Y. W.W. Wyoming. Great state flag. We should rank the state flags at some point. It's way up there.

Heck yeah. I mean, is it a top fiver? California is really good. Colorado's good. Texas, Tennessee. Those are great flags. We're going to have to rank those at some point. I love my state of Connecticut, but it's not a great one.

New York. I don't even know what it looks like. I can't picture it. New York is not a great state flag. It's not. Couldn't even picture it. It's not boring. Isn't it?

That's exactly. to the point. Isn't it Navy with some kind of crest in the middle? Yeah. Crest flags. I can't picture. Agreed. Crest flags are not good. Hold on. I'll read that just a second, Dan, but I want to, I'm digging into my flag debate here. But here's the thing, Patrick, crest flags, not good, but you can't, like, look at Wyoming and go, that's so good that you go the other way where it looks like a graphic designer took control, and you end up

with a, I got to be careful there, because I said this one time wrongly on television. You end up with like a 1990s NFL redesign look. Do you know what I'm getting at? There's another league that I didn't want to reference. But like what the Patriots did and what the Broncos did, where they became generic and graphic designing, where the uniforms before for the Patriots and the Bucks are another one, those were great uniforms.

And then they went with this like blocky graphic designer look. And you know who did that with their flag? Minnesota Minnesota's not good They redesigned it in the past year And it's not good It has hints of Somalia too

It does have a hint of Somalia in there It does As Minneapolis is taken over by Somali and refugees Like I and her CLE Statistically true So they just went full Statistically true So they're going full Somalia in Minnesota with their flag

All right put up either the Minnesota flag or Wyoming is not here. Comments, she's got less than 1% during the primary, talking about Kamla, so they installed her into number two, tells you everything you need to know about that party. Oh, you know what I want to say about this comment? So, the New York Post over the weekend had a comment where a headline, and it said Kamala promises to be the first DEI vice president or president. Did you see that?

That was Charlie Gosserino. It is being condemned all over social media is racist. Like this is, by calling something DEI, that's your new lingo for being openly racist. I wanted to grab this because I thought it's so fascinating. So if you call something DEI or you call Kamla DEI, you're being racist. Charles Cook, Charles C.W. Cook, who National Review, really smart guy. He tweeted, this is one of those fun cases. where the facts are universally known,

but you're only allowed to talk about them if you approve. If you don't, they magically become untrue, and you become a bad person for discussing them. So what he's talking about is they openly said, now we could do this game all day, but it's the truth. You better pick a black woman. I mean, I can play you clips right now, Val Sharpton, anybody on MSNBC, other elected officials,

telling Joe Biden when he won the nominee, you better pick a black woman, you better pick a black woman, okay? that statement in and of itself suggests you're picking someone for reasons other than merit, right? You're picking them for the boxes they check in essence, diversity, equity, and inclusion. But now if you

point that out, if you say that's all good, we've got a black woman, then you can acknowledge it and you're complimenting them, then it's cool, you're not racist. But if you go, whoa, you prioritize something above whether or not they can do the job, now that's DEI, now you're a racist.

Right? That's what Charles is saying. So they've gamed this system to where the only way you can acknowledge Kamala's superficial characteristics is if you're holding pom-poms. If you're holding pom-poms. If you point out, hey, maybe you should have prioritized capability over skin, color, and gender. Now, you're a racist and a sexist. That's gear up for three months of that if Kamala wins. What do we call it? If she wins the nomination, if she wins the convention, if she wins the war of attrition, if she wins the war of senility.

Joe Biden? Does the country have the appetite for that anymore? I don't know. Not like in 2020. That's a great question. I don't know. But they'll certainly ramp it up to 10. You got one or two more.

Yeah, they're basically just like this one. I'd pay big bucks to watch Donald J. Trump debate. Comey. I guess that's how you say that. I was going to go Cammy. I was going to say commie because they like to say, you know, communist. Some good alliteration. Yeah.

All right. Someone, Anne Brightrick right now on our YouTube Live said, I live in Minneapolis and I agree, the new flag sucks. So she agrees with you. Do we have a picture of it, Dan? I don't.

So you just couldn't do that and that a record amount of time? Too much juggling? I'm juggling a lot of stuff. He's running the board, putting graphics up. For the record, for anybody watching on YouTube,

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