Will Cain Country - Was Dolly Parton the Most Universally Loved American? (ft. Nerdrotic)

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

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It is Will Cain Country. Streaming live with the Willcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. We hope you will. Hit subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. Gary Beakler, NerdRodic joins us today. and it's good to see you, Gary. What did I do wrong? Pat, why do you come into the show shaking your head?

What did I already? I've said like 16 words. Which word was wrong? No, it's just funny to me. I don't know. You're just funny. You're a funny guy, Will. What?

Nerdrodic versus Shatner. Is that what got you? I can't wait to get into that. Well, that's a story. That's a rabbit hole. Did you go to space first? Is that what it was? He found out I went to space.

first you got jealous. Okay, that was it. Dude, you keep this off, get William Shatner. Like, that's like a no-win proposition. You don't win versus Captain Kirk. I don't think you can't win. I put up the white flag

from the beginning. I'm like, he's my captain. I defer and it just kept going. Do you guys have it? You don't have a visual of it. God, I want to see the tweet. You sent it to me this morning. It's great. You, he blocks you. I don't know the backstory.

I want you to tell me the backstory. Oh, it is hilarious. It is Twitterception. The story is that Shatner's ex account may unblock nerdotic after a two-year ban over a Star Trek misunderstanding. And then Shatner quote tweets and goes, bullshit, basically. That's what he said. He goes, he goes, let's be clear here. There's all caps.

Zero misunderstanding, and it's been more than two years. And the unblocking is only a way to raise money for my charity. Not that I have any kind of change of heart. And I've been offering it for years. What did you do to Shatner? Wow. Do you want to go through the whole story right now? Because we can start from the beginning.

Is it episodic? How many seasons? There's a couple of seasons. There's a couple of seasons, but you can binge them. Right. So, um, okay. I was added, this is Twitterception. So, uh, a couple years ago, Will Wheaton got upset. Follow me on this one, guys. Will Wheaton got upset because Larry David punched Elmo. This is what started at all. So there's an article about Will Wheaton getting upset that Larry David punched Elmo and it reminded Will Wheaton of his childhood trauma.

And I called Will Wheaton, we're on a family show here, a cat, a version of a cat, a giant version of a cat, we'll just say. Got it. Or female body parts, whatever. And somebody added that response to William Shatner, who blocked me. And it's a comedian named Paul Chado's fault, by the way. He started all of this. He was in the frantics. So I blame Paul Chado to this day.

and I'll never forgive you, Paul. So a couple years, I'm like fine. It's like whatever. A couple years pass. And I went to the Star Trek convention in Las Vegas this couple weeks ago. And I saw William Shatner speak, 96-year-old man, spry as hell, running around stage, telling anecdotal stories. We all want to be that 96-year-old someday, but none of us will be. And I just put up like, hey, I don't care that you block me on Twitter.

I love you. You're my captain. You know, that's it. That's what started it. And I guess some people are like, hey, Will, why are you blocking nerdotic? And it turned into this, well, I'll unblock you for charity. But as you just read, I'll unblock you for charity, but you're still kind of a dick. And I'm like, that's fine. I accept that, you know. Like I said, the white flags up. William Shatner's the goat.

I'm not going to argue with him at all. Except I don't think we're arguing with. William Shatner. Except he seems like he's right or dying for his Star Trek crew, right? So he's there to have Will Wheaton's back. And because you went after Will Wheaton, he's like, no. I kind of like that. That makes me like Shatner even more.

That part I respect the hell out of. And I even, you know, again, I default to like the white flag. I won't, I won't do that with many people with Will Shatner. you win every time buddy and I understand that you want to back your crew shut up Wesley is where I live well Wheaton is a you know and I'll just say that and but as it goes on and my friends start digging and internet autism gets engaged we find out that uh it's not Will Shatner running his ex account um and this was actually this is and this is an open secret. So it's been known on Reddit for years. And Brent Spiner, data, talked about it on a podcast

saying, you know, he got into a dust up with, with Will Shatner in the DMs. And then he called Will and Will didn't know anything about it. He didn't know anything that they were talking about. And it's like, oh, somebody else runs the Twitter account. And there's speculation. I can't say for sure for legal reasons, of course. But there's speculations that it's his daughter. or some crypto guy who is his website manager and has been using the site to get it. Because William Shatter gets into dustups on Twitter quite a bit for a 96-year-old man. You know, it's like, that's awesome. Which you could see as part of his personality.

You would be like, okay, he's got an edge to him. I mean, but you're right. At 96, I don't have the energy at 51. I don't want to do Twitter fights. You know, I talked about this yesterday, and I may talk about this later today on television. I even told the guys, I'm not going to, you know, the former head of the DNC, Jamie Harrison is going at me on Twitter, okay? And it's got a lot of, like the Big Lobowski, it's got a lot of ins, it's got a lot of outs, okay? So it's complicated, and I'm going to address it.

But I got to cross a few more T's and dot a few more eyes. But, you know, the last. I didn't want to go back at him on Twitter. Like, I'm like, what's the point? What's the upside? And I know it, like, it literally has taken people to start them. Like, just getting in fights on Twitter. Huge startem.

It has taken people. We could name them. I mean, I don't think he would even get mad if I said, like, it's a huge part of Dave Portnoy's career, a huge part. And, you know, so you can see, like, why people would be interested. But I don't have the energy, man. I don't care that much. I can't imagine, plus I just think it's a bad medium in order to get done what I want to get done,

which is not ultimately to cause more sparks and fire and attention. But I just can't imagine 96-year-old dudes like, this is what I want to do. This is where my energy, my limited amount of energy I'm going to give is going to be to this. That is hard to fathom, especially, you know, knowing how Luffy is. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, no, no. It would just make it, it makes for a hell of a story. I mean, Gary has a great story out of this.

You should definitely take this Twitter. Right. You never know how I should or no. You're right. The only reason I know about this is because of Twitter. Right. The only reason I know about William Chattner hating nerbrotic is because of Twitter. That's it.

But I mean, yeah. The one friend who has seen him at Kahn says he's the nicest guy behind scenes. He's very, you know, charitable. And then there's other actors who have. have worked with them, have said, he's a human being. He's a complex human being who has good days and bad days like we all do, but I just, I'm just going to doubt he's on Twitter, you know, going after people getting an argument. And if he is, I kind of respect it more. To be honest with you, even it's kind of funny. Over on, this is actually from yesterday, but it applies today. Mr. Anderson

posts on YouTube, stop it with all the language hesitation, guys. It's a pod. Just speak normally. So I don't know. Careful, Gary's going to fire off. He's going to stop saying El Gato now. Don't open that door. You sure you want? Yeah, let's not open up. Let's not.

I'm in somebody else's house. All right, Gary. This is, man, I said this yesterday, and I'm not trying to be callous, but I don't generally like doing a, Obituary television, okay, or obituary content. I ended up once you, Dolly Parton passed yesterday. Dolly Parton is an icon. Now, that is kind of the source of the conversation, I think, or the gist of the conversation I want to have today.

I actually ended up liking it once I got into it, like talking to Larry Gatlin and Chris Jansen and John Rich and their feelings about Dolly and how, like, they were raw. They were authentic about who she is, which, You get to this place, you're like, why? Now, I want to, we'll start here. Dan, give me, um, give me Dolly with Johnny Carson. I want to just play him a second night. This is Dolly Parton on, well, I guess it's called The Tonight Show.

But as she says in here, it's, we know of it as Johnny Carson. That's not supposed to be too serious, so. I have come a long way from the hills of Tennessee. And I've worked hard. to make the folks back home real proud of me. Now everybody knows my name, no matter where I go. But I never really made it until the Johnny Carson Show. All right, so she makes up this song for The Tonight Show.

It's awesome, by the way. She's a tribute to Johnny. And the interview before, she's like, I just did this because you've done a lot for me. Like, I do feel like being on this show has been a lot big for my career. Okay, so first, Gary, I'm a huge. country music fan. I don't know if you are or not, but like I have been for decades. And I don't have, I like Dolly, but I have to be honest, I don't listen to Dolly. Like, I don't

ever get in on Spotify. You know what would fit the mood, Dolly Parton. But she has, even in my mind, she is this iconic status. And I think it's really interesting about what makes someone iconic. Left, right, multiple generations, you know, quintessentially. America. Everybody loves Dolly Parton. So I grew up, and she was, her music for me was always in the background, and country music for me is Merle Haggard and Johnny Cash.

Like, that's the stuff my dad listened to. Johnny Cash is the coolest human being to ever live on this planet. And my mom and my dad loved Dolly Parton. So like 9 to 5, that song was played almost every day in my house for like a year. So it was always in the background. She was always there. She was always

part of whatever TV was going on in the 70s when I grew up. So she was always there. She's the American matriarch. And a type of icon that we're just not going to get anymore, a universally loved one where, you know, you'll see her singing with Rob Halford, you know, or Motley crew putting out this really nice thing. Like bringing, you know, metal to get like everybody together. You're just not going to see that anymore.

and it's kind of sad. It's kind of sad. But, and then, you know, and why, though? I'm fascinated by the why. Like, why did she achieve this status? Now, let me say a couple things from somebody that's like losing their mind. She was an incredible singer.

Like, if you listen to her with very little support and backup, like the vocal range, the way she carries a note, in and out of conversational style in a song, she's an incredible song writer. She also physically became, you know, ubiquitous. Look, everything about her look, okay? Yep.

Not just the two things, everything about her look. Yeah. But I'm still not sure that, like, you can add it up on paper and go, you know, one plus two plus three equals six. I don't know that that's what we can do and go, and therefore that's why she's an icon. We could come with other people that have those elements, songwriter, singer, but there's something more here that made her

iconic. Yeah, I get where you're saying. There's an intangible aspect to it where you can look past the numbers. And while you could also look at her consistency and putting out good work, and again, it's not like I'm breaking out my Dolly Parton albums and listening to them right now, but everybody loved her. She was really nice. You know, she was like America's delight, America's sweetheart.

And she was always present and she was, you know, into philanthropy. She, you know, she did, God, I forgot the name of it. But it's basically, you know, it's getting books in the hands of children and nobody's done anything. Imagination library. Yeah, imagination library. She was someone for everyone, too, which is the thing. So she's a great country singer, if you like that. She's beautiful.

Men loved her and women wanted to be her. She was a great role model for women. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with nerd Rod at Gary Beakler here on Wilcane Country. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free, free,

from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcf walk.ca.ca. Ready to take your investing knowledge to pro-level? This is Fidelity Connects, your daily edge in the markets. Get deep insights on real-time market topics that may impact your investment portfolio. Listen to Fidelity Connects on Spotify today and power your next move tomorrow. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Gary Beakler. He is Nerdroddick, the host of Nerdroddick on YouTube. I'm not, I'm not sure. Okay, first of all, I think of Dolly is really country. Like she's not that poppy.

When you say she's for everybody. No, no, no, just her. Not her music. Not her as a person. Like the thing she represented, just she was a broad spectrum. Even if you didn't like country music, you could still love Dolly Park. Okay, hold on on that thought. She's a drag queen icon.

That's a thing, Patrick. She was doing something. Look, this is the 70s and 80s, and especially the 80s, where you get into a movement where the women are like conquering men's world. And that's, yeah, Dolly did that in becoming a member of the Grand Old Opry and becoming a huge female singer. But she didn't wear the freaking, you know, pants suit. She was in rhinestones and like over-the-top female. And so that brings me to this interview with Barbara Walters, which is kind of making its way around.

It's a long interview. I don't know which part you got. I have two parts. But Barbara really, okay, let's listen to this. This is because I think this tells us a lot. Dolly, did you look like this when you were a kid? Not quite. I mean, you didn't have the blonde wig.

But when you went into school, when you were 11, 12, 13, was this about you? Well, you mean the full figure? Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, I thought that's what you meant. Well, actually, I've always been pretty well blessed. As a child, I grew up fast. Other members of my family, you know, have done the same. I don't know what the other part you have listened to it.

But Barbara, like, kind of rude in the interview. I hate to even say that. She's asking, maybe she's asking questions that everybody's curious about. She asks, are they real? You know, okay, that's fine. I mean, everybody's curious. But then she's like, but don't you think this diminishes you? Like all of this.

Do you need this? And Dolly's answer, and Dan, tell me if this is the part that you have. She's like, look, it's show business. And a lot of this that I'm doing is fake. meaning the way that I look. But me, I'm real. The insides of me? Is that what you have, Dan?

Yeah, it's pretty much part of that, yeah. Okay, I love this answer. And it's in the face of basically somebody who represents the opposite. Barbara Walters represents the opposite of what Dolly Parton is presenting. And she's challenging her in a fairly rude way. I'm not going to be as hard on Barbara Walters as the Internet as being today, because I so value curiosity. But listen to Dolly's answer.

You don't have to look like this. You're very beautiful. You don't have to wear the blonde wigs. You don't have to wear the extreme clothes, right? No, it's certainly a choice. I don't like to be like everybody else. I've often made this statement that I would never stoop so low as to be fashionable. That's the easiest thing in the world to do.

So I just decided that I would do something that would at least get the attention. Once they got past the shock of the ridiculous way I looked, and all that, then they would see there was parts of me to be appreciated. I'm very real where it counts, and that's inside, and as far as my outlook on life and the way I care about people and the way I care about myself

and the things that I care about. Man, I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Albert Poo-holes hit a home run over the outfield fence, but like that smoked, Barbara. She did, and what she just explained. is authenticity. So despite all the shiny veneer, which, you know, is real. It is part of her. She

picked that out as her persona, but, you know, the persona, the audience, believe it or not, who gets a lot of crap, is smarter than you think, especially when it comes to, you know, sniffing out what's real. Sometimes it takes a little longer with some people than others, but Dolly was authentic. That's why she lasted this long. That's why she became an icon. That's why she's universally loved. That's why so many people are mourning her. You know, what do we have a week of the flag at half staff for, for Dolly Parton, which, and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, of course. And it's just because, well, I think, I'll just speak for myself of my generation, she was always there. She was always there in the

background. She was always on TV. Yeah. You always heard a song. There was a movie in the theater. She was always there. And it was kind of comforting in a way. And, you know, again, you know, my mom loved her. I could probably go without listening to nine to five again because I heard it enough. But, you know. It's like choosing Texas by Ella Langley. We don't need that. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, God. Tell that to my wife. Okay. Geez. Hey, the authenticity thing, you're right, Gary. Like, and you can see it in that clip if you're watching, if you're listening on radio. I think you can see it in her eyes. Like as much as any, like there's there's something.

Okay, it's become a buzzword authenticity. And it's one that I've kind of worn as a badge of honor. Like, that's my thing. I want to be as authentic as possible. But I've also realized authenticity is sort of necessary but not sufficient, quotient to stardom. Meaning, yeah, you've got to be real for people to connect to you. But what is behind the reality is what really is special. So what I'm getting at is, yeah, Dolly was authentic.

and we really liked what we saw when she was being real. Do you know what I mean? Like, okay, I think Chattner seems kind of authentic, you know, but not everybody's going to love him because it's pretty prickly down there. Yeah. Maybe he's not the best example, but there are examples of people being authentic, and you're like, yeah, but I still don't like you. Trump's kind of that way now.

You kind of get the authentic for a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, you can't deny he's authentic. Right. But you can say a lot of people don't like him. Dolly was authentic and it's like, man, I really like what I see when there is no filter. And that may be the thing in my mind that sets her apart. When we just try to break down what makes somebody iconic, I mean, honestly, if you were at RCA Records in 1965, you probably realized in the first meeting.

Like after you heard the demo and after you saw the talent, you sat in the first meeting and I think you'd be an idiot. idiot if you were an A&R guy didn't go, oh my God, this person has it. So Ebert and Siskel both said that they met her during the release of 9 to 5 in Dallas, and they both had the same experience. Like it was ethereal, they said. It was like meeting an angel. It was like a feeling they never had before. I hear that a lot with her.

You know? And, you know, maybe she's just one of those rare stars who, wanted to become famous, became famous, and didn't become an a-hole, you know? And just, it just was grateful for what she had. Yeah. Didn't become somebody else. A-ho or not, you know? Just that feels like the same person that you would have met in Eastern Tennessee.

She changed the expectation of female artists back then, too, because they were quieter. They weren't as loud as she was, like, just as a person. and I think she was the forefront of that and music at least. Oh, yeah. Okay, so here's the question, Gary. Who else is an icon? Like, Patrick is into this.

He's into the rule of threes. We already lose. We already have two today, yeah. We already lose them in threes. Yeah. Two today? Yeah, Tim Curry passed away. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, Dolly's number two. Hayden. Hayden Penetary from Dolly Parton. Yeah. Yeah. The rule of three. I mean, that's pretty close.

I think there might be one more. I hope not. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm really wrong. But Tim Curry was a legend too. Okay. And pretty beloved, considering the stuff he was in. But as far as icons,

I don't think we live in that kind of world anymore where there's going to be like entertainment icons. I think those days are, I mean, the days of the huge rock band that sells out stadiums that isn't over 50 are gone. You know, the days of the rock star are gone. We have the pop star now, and strangely enough, country music is the biggest thing

in America right now, again. But the universally loved movie star, rock star, even content creator on whatever platform, I don't think that's going to exist very much longer. Is that an icon? Everybody loves Keanu Reeves, I guess. That's the first one off top of my head I can think of. Taylor Swift is like going to be the last, the youngest one I think we have, right?

But the problem, so the problem that we're... She's not universally loved though. Yeah. I don't know. I mean... Not everybody loves Taylor's. She's pretty controversial. Maybe.

But I do you think that we're about to have a giant wave, a giant wave of people who were going to pass soon, who are still iconic, but they're definitely on the upper end. They were grandfathered in from their times before this last 20 years or so. So it's like people like Mel Brooks and Clint Eastwood and Dick Van Dyke, like a lot of people, and William Shatner, they're all getting out there. And it's like, it's only a matter of time. You know, and. You know, mine's Willie Nelson when we lose Willie Nelson.

He's on there to feel like a big deal. Yep. Morgan Freeman. But, yeah. Speaking about who can sell out stadiums, I went to see Zach Bryan at AT&T Stadium, Cowboys Stadium. And it's pretty wild that Zach Bryan sells out a stadium. I just sat there and watched, looked at all these people in this huge stadium. And, you know, I've had this conversation before.

Gary's probably the perfect person to have it with, actually. But how many people can sell out stadiums? There's not that many, right? A football stadiums, not basketball. football stadiums. And Zach Bryant's not even like Nashville pop country. He's like

Americana, and he's selling out stadiums. It's wild. That's super. By the way, I have tickets to guns and roses, but I'm not going to be able to go because it's during the Republican National Convention, but they're still selling out AT&T too. Yeah, but they're over 50. Are they really? And Duff is sober. That's great. I love that story so much.

And I guess it just depends on what day you hit Axel's voice. So good luck with that. But you're right. Back when we were a bit younger, a band or an artist would sell out a stadium. It was pretty regular occurrence. But the problem is there's nothing that came in and replaced those bands.

So we're still getting the same old damn bands. I mean, Guns and Roses, it's 40 years ago. It's 40 years ago. So, you know, that's insane. A lot of gin Xers. A lot of people are age, Gary, in that stadium. That's what that's going to be. Oh, yeah.

I saw them open up for Aerosmith in L.A. in 87. That was crazy. That was a good show. But I'm shocked. They're still alive. I'm shocked. I'm still alive, to be honest with you. Okay.

So if we put those over 50 was your marker. Under 50 selling out football stadiums. Taylor Swift, Morgan Wallin. Jack Bryan apparently Can Kendrick Lamar saw the football stadium? Yeah, he did a whole arena tour. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Yeah, yeah. He's probably one of the rare hip-hop artists that can do it. There's not a lot, but he's probably the one. Kanye maybe. Shane Gillis is the only comedian who can probably do it. Could Shane do a football stadium? Really? He just did.

He did 70,000 people. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Philly. It's insane. That's... It's possible. One more thing,

apropos of basically nothing. Sure. Except, speaking of what we don't have anymore, this is Dolly with Kenny Rogers

singing Islands in the stream. And, dude, this is just two people singing. That's the best way to put it. Two incredible singers, just singing. Oh, we got demonetized, so a little quick snippet.

Oh, oh, yeah. Just listen to my voice. There you go. No big fireworks. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with NerdRodic, Gary Beakler, here on Wilcane Country. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk.

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Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. All right, Gary Beakler, Nerd Rodic, maybe last time we were together, I asked you for some recommendations on the series I should be watching. Can I tell you one you nailed? I may have spoken you since then. Shogun. Fricen.

Shogun. It was great. Yeah, I wish season two would come out. Showgun was awesome. Is it going to? Yes. It was awesome. I think it's going to be, I think it's end of this year.

I thought I heard it's the end of this year, beginning of next year. for sure. Man, this is the problem with getting into series that's not, say, a Taylor Sheridan series or something like that, that if it's good, you're at the mercy of everyone else liking it. Dan, I turned Dan onto the agency, which I really liked the agency. And there's no guarantee you're going to get a season three. It didn't do gangbusters. It's not viral in some way.

It's great. It's great. Did you watch that and like it, Gary? No, he brought it I did not. He brought it mine hunters which is like one of the most tragic losses of a show I could think of. Oh, I loved it. Love it. But that's the problem

is even for me there's so much out there I got to kind of pick and choose and it gets lost in the sauce and these things cost so much money and they go by different metrics now which is minutes watched engagement and how many subs they bring in and you are we are losing good stuff

and we're getting more like garbage, like to utter garbage. But what I could recommend right now, I mean, like next month is going to be a great month because we have two Guy Ritchie series coming out. They're both basically crime

series, but the gentleman on season two is coming out on Netflix. The first season is 10 out of 10. It's so good. And Mobland, season two with Tom Hardy is going to be on Paramount Plus. That's 10 out of 10 as well.

So that's another one. Is that coming back with Tom Hardy? Yes. So what happened is there was some difficulties, and he was out for a minute because he had an argument with a couple of the actors. But then I'm pretty sure they saw the online reaction of like, we're done with this show if he's out. And they magically worked it out.

So we're going to get it season three with Tom Hardy. Was it Brosnan he wasn't having a problem with? Brosden or Muren, Helen Muren, one of the two. not sure though so if anybody's listen you know i'm in on every tom hardy series and i get bummed it like i liked taboo and i was like are we going to get more of that one that was so good mobland so good we were supposed to get a season it was venom that ruined taboo he was they had a because he started doing that yeah which is taboo is brilliant venom was not worth it i'll tell you right now

No, it wasn't. I would rather had five seasons of taboo than the Venom movies for sure. But yeah, next month's going to be really fun. And the problem with streaming is, I mean, how many shows are we going to get to five or six seasons? It's Taylor Sheridan and other streamers are starting to figure out, you know what? You really need to put them out once a year. You can't wait two, three years in between seasons because there's just a natural drop off and people forget.

And then when they come back, you know, it's not like a movie. They try to equate it to a movie. It's like, well, movies come out once over three years. Yeah, but to catch up, you only have to spend two hours. You don't have to spend eight to figure out what the heck's going on or read a Wikipedia article or something. So it was like, that's exactly what I have to do. I go to Wikipedia and I'm like, what happened in those last three episodes? It helps really well. They used to roll out seasons and it'd be 20 to 24 episodes.

And now you're getting six to eight, and it's taken three to four years. It's like absurd. And like the season recaps don't help either. The little like 30 second in the beginning, you're like, that doesn't work for me. No. I literally have no idea what's going on. And the problem is, oh, you're going to get me on my binge model argument. It's worked for Netflix and a lot of people love it.

I think business-wise, I think it's stupid. I was about to use the R-word. because when you drop something like the gentleman all at once, it gets consumed by the public. And then the talk of the show dies in a week, in a week and a half. And I don't think that's sustainable at all. A great example is Night of the Seven Kingdoms. I don't care if you don't like Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon.

You can watch this show by itself. It is the best show I've seen this year. It is brilliant. Little half-hour episodes based on a novella by George R. Martin. But only six of them. I was so pissed. I liked it, too. And I was like, that's it?

Nobody does six. Where's the eight? Where's the ten? And was rough as it was a half-hour episode released every week. But if they hadn't have done that, it wouldn't have gotten the word of mouth that it did. And turned into one of the biggest shows of the year with nominations. And a show like One Piece, which I like, not everybody likes, but the live action One Piece. it drops all at once.

It's a super expensive show. It took almost three years to come out, and it's forgotten in a week. And that is just not a good way to, you know, if Netflix is wondering what's wrong, that's what's wrong. And that's not going to work for Netflix forever. Netflix, I think, has been riding high for so long that they feel like they can just do everything, but like throwing $200 million at a season, dumping it in a weekend where everybody forgets it. It's like, that's not sustainable, not in any reality. Okay, so Gary, I have to frame this correctly or I'm going to get in trouble.

Some people who are very close to me watch things that I'm unwilling to watch. And they tell me that they are incredible. And these people that are close to me are experiencing life later than me. And they are discovering things that I'm telling them, like, hey, you should watch Breaking Bad or you should watch this. And they're like, oh, that's really good. and then they say to me and I catch them like you have to watch and what was the one they really wanted me to watch and I just couldn't bring myself to it the anime series that is ranked in the top five of greatest series of all time um um attack on titan attack on titan that's it attack on titan and now they're watching one piece and they're telling me how great it is by the way they told me one piece has been going on for 30 years I'm like I'm not catching up on 30 years.

Like Dr. Who. Yeah. It is exactly like Doctor Who. And dude, anime does not do it for me. I can't. But everybody says, if you actually appreciate good content, these are top-notch level shows. Yeah. One piece is one of the biggest shows in the world, one of the biggest brands of the world.

I was just at Japan. I mean, it's everywhere. Well, and Japan is great because it's such a nerd country anyway. But the world building and the character of Luffy is endearing to everybody. Absolutely everybody. Yes, it's a thousand episodes. Netflix is doing, they're redoing an animated version that's supposed to cut out all the pillar, which I don't know, does that get it down to 500 episodes?

No idea. But, and then the people who watch read the manga. or watch the anime, hate the live action because it cuts out so much. But that was my gateway in. Because I felt the same way. I'm not the biggest. I'm kind of an American comic book snob. And, you know, I was just like manga, whatever.

It had to be like extraordinary manga for me to even look at it. But One Piece is one of those stories where it's, I dare say, Tolkienian world building. It's so good. And it's such a great fantasy story. And at its heart, there's heroism. And there's not this freaking nihilism that is all over American storytelling today.

And that's why. And so basically, the East is doing Western storytelling better now. So I didn't know there was a live action. I only know the anime version of this. Yeah. There's a... Did you watch Attack on Titan? I have tried. It is not my thing. And I know

every one of my friends, including my good friend, Jeremy from Gigs of Gamers, been trying to get me into it forever. And I'm like, I can't do it. it's not my thing. I know. That's how I feel, too. It's also like 40 episodes of season.

Yeah. And it's not bad. It's just I'm not interested. That makes any sense. What was the movie with Eddie Murphy back in the day where he ran for Congress as Thomas Jefferson something? Thomas Jefferson Jefferson or something? A perfect gentleman? Was it a perfect gentleman?

Do you remember that movie? Wow. That's a deep cut. Yes, I have. It was a deep cut. I used to watch everything that Eddie Murphy put out when I was a kid. The distinguished gentleman. That was the distinguished gentleman.

Yes. It's kind of playing out in real life. Dan Sullivan is running against Dan Sullivan in Alaska, and he's made the runoff. Both Republicans. Now, the incumbent Republican Dan Sullivan is accusing the upstart Dan Sullivan of being a Democratic plant to siphon votes away through confusion so that the real Democrat wins. But just to clear this up, the mayor of a city in Alaska, named Dan Sullivan has endorsed Dan Sullivan.

I was going to say, I'm going to accuse you of being a Democratic plant. What's your evidence? You change your name to Dan Sullivan before the election. You saw Mitch? I have a question, Will. So there are multiple Dan Sullivan's people named Dan Sullivan. Are they Dan Sullivan or Dan Sullivan's? Like, Cole's to say.

How do I refer to them in the plural? Yeah. Dan Sullivan. I've been saying Dan Sullivan. Multiple Dan Sullivan. It's funny. I grew up with a dance on the last name. Yeah, Dan Sullivan's, like Martians.

What are you saying, Patrick? Did you think it's like attorneys general? You know, like it's not attorney generals. Right, right. It's attorney's general. I just was thinking, you know, fancied up a little bit. So, okay. I'm curious now, like, who's the America

first Dan Sullivan? Who's the rhino Dan Sullivan? It's Dan Sullivan. It's Dan Sullivan. Yeah. So, Right. So the sitting I think I can clear this up because I've been following this for quite some time. So the sitting Senator Dan Sullivan

is the GOP Dan Sullivan. The one who went through with him into this next general election, he's the guy who is the alleged Democratic plant. And then the mayor, Dan Sullivan, the third Dan Sullivan, he endorsed the GOP Dan Sullivan, the original Dan Sullivan, who is already a senator.

So then, you know, yeah, yeah. What's the polling? Is Dan Sullivan ahead in the polling? Well, that's the problem. That's, so there was actually a judge who threw the second Dan Sullivan out of the race because he's like, there's too much confusion here. And then he got... But he's not.

He made the run of. He made it back onto the ballot. And now there's like all this confusion. They're like, is this going to divide and split up the GOP vote? Because they're both technically Republicans. There is such an easy solution. I know you guys know it. It's just used the middle initial.

Yeah. They are. They are. They are. I think they are on the ballot. Just call one of junior. That is not going to... I'm sorry, Gary.

That's not going to clear up that much confusion. No. Nobody's going to be. No. Which one? Am I for Dan A or Dan J? I don't know which one I'm for. Oh, if they rhyme, you're screwed, for sure.

But, okay. And the amount of what, there's going to be 1% of people who vote in this town. If this town gets offended, sorry, that's pretty much what it is everywhere. It's like, you know, it's just a bunch of old people and corrupt people, you know, having dead people vote. I mean, that's pretty much what the election will be anyway. So I don't think the confusion even matters. as long as that Democrat plant wins. That's the whole part of this

I'm just going to choose to believe because they would do something like that. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with NerdRodic, Gary Beechler, here on Wilkane Country. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters.

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He is Nerdroddick, the host of Nerdroddick on YouTube. Either way, we're going to get the insult. This is like the William Shackle of a deal. If the Democrats actually put this dude up, tip of the hat. this is a good one. That's good one. That's better than getting dead people to vote. That's better than illegal immigrants voting.

You found another Dan Sullivan. Tip of the hat, sir. Respect. Man, we should do that everywhere. Make elections fun again. If they were ever fun to get in with. Speaking of confusion and apropos of nothing again, I texted this weekend. Dan, you did this.

Dan, not Dan Sullivan. Dan, Ovald. That's my middle name. I watched the yogurt shop murders on HBO recently, and it blew my mind. It blew my mind. Okay, I'll give you the quick details, but I'm going to tell you why it blew my mind. I don't remember this, but back in 1991, 14 girls were killed in a yogurt shop in Austin, Texas. Two of them were working.

One of them was a little sister, and she brought her friend, 13, 15, to 17-year-olds. They were raped, stripped, naked, shot in the... back of the head, the shop was set on fire, the fire burned down the shop, and most of their bodies, evidence was very little to be found. The cops in Austin decided that, and this, Gary, this is the part I love trying to explain to people, because I don't know that, where are you from, Gary, originally? San Diego, California. Okay. You probably, you have these guys in San Diego. I'm from a small town, Texas. The guys that they ended up arresting are best described, as Nerdy Wells.

Like, they were just the dudes that came from a divorced family, had a single mom, drank beer in the creek, probably smoked cigarettes at 13, listened to Megadeth. Everything they were doing was edgy. And on the, they were trying to be edgy. They were trying to be subversive. And they were also that way with the law. They stole a car, that kind of stuff. Yep.

But that did not make a quadruple murderer. But the cops decided they were the quadruple murderers. Right? That was the time, too. Yeah, that was prevalent in multiple cases. It kind of made sense back then, right, Gary? Like 1990s, late 80s, it's like, there's your bad guys. Look at them.

They might be devil worshippers, you know? Roldo was doing devil-worshipping stories like it was everywhere in America. But the long and short of it is, some seven or eight years later, they actually get two of these guys to confess in detail. that they did it. I'm talking about detail of how they raped the girls. I'm talking about excruci. Now, the confessions are videotaped, okay? And you can see the progression of a 12-hour interrogation. The dudes start out. No, I don't know what you're talking about. I had nothing to do with this. I wasn't there. By the end, they are giving up incredible detail, okay? Now let me jump to the conclusion. These dudes had nothing.

to do with it. They weren't even near the yogurt shop. The guy that did it, and we know now 36 years later, because of progressions in DNA technology, was a freaking serial killer who'd done the exact same thing in South Carolina, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, and he was passing through Austin and did this. He's an awful, awful, evil dude. And these two boys spent seven or eight years in jail, one of them on death row. And every time I tell the story to people, they're like, why would you confess? Like the normal human being is like, I don't understand why you confess. Watch this and you will understand. First of all, you're not dealing with the smartest dudes in the world. That's just a fact. They're not like at any point they could say, I want to see my lawyer,

I want to leave the interrogation. They don't. But one of them confesses for pretty mundane reasons that you get a lot of false confessions on. He just wanted out of the room after 12 hours. He just wanted out of the room and he'd do anything or say anything that they wanted. And every detail he gave, they led him into the detail. The other dude confessed because they made him believe that he did it. And it wasn't until DNA that he was like, I didn't have anything to do with this. Like they just freaking, he torted his whole mind into thinking he'd blocked it out. It's fascinating, man.

It is an incredible documentary. Yes. And I, having a little experience with cops and interrogation, we'll just say, I learned very quick to shut the hell up. Okay. I respect a lot of police out there. I do. They ain't your friends. Don't act like they're your friends.

They're going to act like they're your friends. Just unsolicited advice from your old pal, Gary, shut the hell up and get a lawyer. Don't ever talk to them for anything, parking ticket or anything, because they will try to move you into. to getting what they need to get done faster. And that's it. It's horrible. And the psyche of that is fascinating. I can't,

we're all sitting here and we can't imagine ourselves doing that even after 12 hours. But like you're not in that situation. So we can all think we're all badass and strong. But the psychic manipulation that goes on in some of those interrogation rooms for people who are really good at it, by the way. They're really good at it.

It's despicable. It's despicable because there is a point, and maybe the cop, you want to get really crazy, maybe the cops think they're doing the right thing, too. They're the voice of the righteous. No, they do, Gary. I don't need the cops are evil. Yeah.

It's still despicable. You can not think you're evil, but it's despicable. It's guided by two things. Incentive. The cops are politically incentivized to close cases. An open case is bad news for a police department, right? And so they're under a lot of pressure to close cases. And so you saw that in the wire. Like, I don't want to dig deeper. I don't, I don't want to, we've got it. We've got it. And the other thing is confirmation bias. They do decide on a conclusion.

And then everything that they get afterwards confirms their original conclusion. I saw this in Trayvon Martin versus George Zimmerman. When I was on CNN, they would have cops on a panel with me. And the cops would tell me with certainty that it was murder. And I'd be like, you don't know. the 90 seconds of the tape that's missing that defines whether or not it's self-defense or murder. But they had the conclusion. And there was no moving off that conclusion. And I'm not saying all cops are like this. I'm just saying human beings can be like this. Yes. You know? And one of the cops in this documentary, even after this progression in DNA, he can't bring himself to say that the boys are innocent. He's like, I think there's a chance they were in on it.

They were with. This dude had never had a partner, never worked with anybody. And it doesn't make any sense that these boys were in on it. But he can't unwed himself from his conclusion. Is he retired, hopefully, at this point? He is. Yes. You probably had a nice long career and retired and gets, you know, like. And again, maybe the guy's not evil,

but the fact that he's not willing to let go shows it on both sides that we are, you know, this is why we have to be careful with this stuff. Even with death row, I'm so torn on, like, not to get heavy, but the death penalty, because my God, some people deserve it. But who decides? Like, you can't, you know, this is why ultimately I'm against it, because once you get to deciding that, you are eventually going to lead to somebody being off that was innocent. And it's really not worth it. I used to be like that, Gary. I used to be like one innocent dude.

The injustice of one innocent dude spending 50 years in prison. That didn't happen in this case. It was eight. But we had dudes that have spent 30, 40, 50 years in prison. It bothers me to such a level. And obviously, the death penalty is even more. But honestly, this documentary and others, with the way the DNA is going, the odds of the wrong decision is getting lower and lower and lower. It's getting lower.

Well, the part I'm torn is I've been with those people. And that's the part where I'm like, oh, my God. Because I didn't see a good person in there. I didn't see any innocent people walking around in prison when I was in there. I saw a bunch of people who deserved to be there, including me. So that's the part where I'm talking because I'm like, oh, these are just bad dudes. These are bad people who shouldn't be in public at all ever again for the rest of their lives. And most of them were going to get out and do the same thing.

And because there's not that much rehabilitation going on. But yeah, it's maybe it gets better with technology. But then you're going to have rightly so, I believe, the people going, well, do you trust that technology? like who's behind the technology is the state behind the technology would the state manipulate the rules of the technology I mean we just live through COVID so

yeah that's the thing with with the flock cameras too is like there have been there have been situations where prosecutors like their whole thing is about getting the prosecution prosecutions and they will literally pin

I mean Texas had a lot of these situations where they would pin murders and things on people and they would go away for a long time and I that's why I don't trust like the flock cameras being a tool they're gonna have they're just gonna have another tool to do those kind of things to you I just I don't know it doesn't it robs me the wrong way yeah I think there might with all good things there's good motivation behind it it could be easily be manipulated later on if you want to play the tape all the way through in an authoritative state in our worst nightmares these are the kind of things that would exist to

the police are every behavior. And, you know, anybody who thinks that can't happen, go back to COVID. It was just happened a few years ago. We just saw a brief glimpse into a totalitarian nightmare that some people refused to believe. And that fundamentally changed his country. Andy Bashir in Kentucky did that. Yeah. Andy Bashir recorded license plates at churches and saw who was violating quarantine and gathering together.

Yeah. And tried to impose a 14-day quarantine on anybody that went to church together. So we do know, yes, to your point, we do know exactly how politicians can use the technology. Over on YouTube, Kibrizen says, Dolly embodied good Christian values. She was kind, generous, and humble. Another commenter says, if you took the time to get past her looks, you realize she was legitimately talented, played guitar, wrote songs, did not need anyone else to shine. Suzanne Niko says, Dolly is irreplaceable. Agree with all of that.

Freedom. Another one says, I honestly don't know anyone who doesn't like. Dolly? Yeah, that's kind of true. Who says I don't like Dolly Parton? Nobody. Nobody. Jealous women. All right, let's do this before we go. Let's do this comment before we go, Gary. I'm a little torn on this. This is actually, all right, Andy says, let's talk about jelly roll, jelly roll alienating half of his fan base. How about the fact that he was a felon and now all of a sudden he's a political voice for Democrats? Dude sold his soul already. So this is a reference to Jelly Roll hosting, fill-in hosting. Jimmy Kimmel. And he did a series of jokes, pretty mean-spirited, pretty cutting jokes about President Trump and his weight and being fat and so forth. And a lot of people pointing out, the jelly roll was really excited to meet President Trump, you know, not too long ago at a UFC fight. And, you know, he's been putting this image on of somebody. I don't know if he's been doing MAGA, but he's certainly been doing an image that would appeal to a lot of people on the right.

And then he goes in half a second and basically does Jimmy Kimmel. Not just the Jimmy Kimmel show. He does Jimmy Kimmel. So what do you think, Gary? It looks on the surface. He completely sold out half his fan base. Like you said, I don't think he ever came out as MAGA. But man, I just saw the video yesterday.

He was smiling when he shook Trump's hand. And he's willing to use that. part of the audience and I don't know much about the dude. I know he guest starred in Tulsa King and he's a singer and like me, he's the next felon, so I respect that. But I guess he's got some personal, like he got divorced or something. But what it looks like is he just bent the knee to the mulloch of Hollywood. I mean, that's just, that's, you know, he wants to be part of the game.

You have to go through your humiliation ritual. which was bad enough hosting Jimmy Kimmel. That's humiliating enough. But then going out there and just running a Jimmy Kimmel joke with Jimmy Kimmel actors and not caring and not expecting, you know, does he not know his own audience? It is largely filled with, you know, middle America and half of them are just going to be gone at this point. But maybe he doesn't care because he's going to be in movies. He's going to be part of Hollywood.

And I don't know why anybody would go through a humiliation ritual for an industry that's dying. right now. Jellyroll is actually in a better position to be a star just being a singer than bending the knee to Hollywood. Well, so here's, when I say I'm torn, this is what I know. This is what I know about television. When you guest host

someone's show, you're driving their car. It's not your car. You don't get to come in and be like, here's the show we're doing. He had Jimmy Kimmel's producers, Jimmy Kimmel's writers, Jimmy Kimmel's staff. They did the show as though Jimmy was hosting it. You could

Jimmy doing all those jokes. And so you are trapped a little bit in your ability to say, no, this is the show that I'm doing. That's not to say you have no power. You do have power. If I guest host for Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity, I can say, nope, that's not my point of view. That's not what I'm going to do. However, you don't feel free. You do feel like you have just strapped yourself into someone else's car and you're like, I want to drive it a little differently. but it is their car. So, you know, the mistake, if Jelly Roll doesn't believe that stuff, the weakness he gave into, is hosting it in the first place. Because you got to know that's what it's going to be.

And so you go, well, I'm not going to do that show because that's not who I am. That's the mistake that he could have made that mistake, or he could be saying he could be giving into what ever so many people give into. I want to be mainstream famous. And this is my path to mainstream famous. And I don't know which it is. know if it's weakness or sellout or if they're one in the same, but it's one of those two things that got him down this path. It's funny that you say that, like, I see a lot of people who start out one way and then they get that opportunity to step into the center ring. The center

ring is defined by what it's been for 50 years in the mainstream. It's like, oh, I've got to step. That's the natural progression. The spotlight's bigger, and I'm going to have to be this way and there. And that happens. A lot that happens. Bill Burr. But, I don't know which one. I don't know what happened to jelly roll here. It is funny, though, because Dolly did the exact opposite. Like, she did not alienate people. Totally.

And she's a cultural icon. But I got to say this, joke's pretty innocuous, though, no? I mean, can we not make poke fun at people we like? You know, he's not doing the terrible things that the left you say. That's fair, except Jimmy Kimmel or any late night in my mind, they make two mistakes. One, to your point, then the jokes aren't funny. They're just political points guised as humor with an audience that is trained to laugh. But second, they're not equal opportunity offenders.

Meaning if that was what's, if your only goal is to be a funny, well then, yeah, you could do Trump and you could also do AOC, you know. You could do Hassan Piker and whatever. But that's not what they did. They just do it one-sided. And the writers wanted to do this to jelly roll, by the way. you know the writers wanted to take their guy from them that's i feel like that's what they were trying to get at that could be behind it to get but i i just think jelly roll could have said no yeah to that i mean he could have just said no to that joke and to will's point it wasn't funny like

if you make a funny joke okay if i laugh and i'm like all right and it's like i'm not like trump's not a deity to me so like you can joke about the guy and like there's plenty to joke about the guy that's freaking hilarious. But it just wasn't a funny joke. Mostly, no, all because it was written by a team of writers from Jimmy Kimmel who actually went on strike to get more money when they don't deserve that money because they haven't been funny for years. It is just, you know, it's just confirmation bias of the show with a bunch of clapping seals.

You know, Jimmy Kimmel used to be fine. Here's a great example. Here's a good example of what you're talking about. Shane Gillis makes fun of President Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny. It's funny.

It's funny. And by the way, Shane Gillis isn't MAGA. Like, I know everybody kind of wants to believe that right now, but he's not. And I would even go so far to say Shane Gillis is more on the left than he is on the right. Yes. And yet, so he doesn't, the point of me saying that is he's not getting the forgiveness of, well, we know you're really with us so you can do the Trump thing. He may be hiding that ball a little bit. I saw that tires, which is hilarious.

Tires is funny. Tires Season 3 is getting a lot of love from the left. Have you seen this, Dan? It's more emotional. Well, not just that. There's some subversive jokes about MAGA in January 6th and these kind of things. But I don't even care that the left likes this more. The key here is it was funny.

It's funny. The scene I'm talking about where one of the mechanics is like, I think I'm going to go to the Capitol on January 6th. And Shane's like, you should. You should. That's your right as an American. You know what? You should take a gun.

That's your Second Amendment right. And the guy's like, yeah, I should. You pay for that guy. It's funny. That is so good. Yeah, but Shane did those jokes, you know, the first couple seasons, though, too. So, I mean, it's not. Early onset Republican joke is funny.

You know, if you get into history, that's early on set Republican. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. So it can be done. They just don't do it at Jimmy Kimmel. All right. Gary Buechler is nerd Rodic.

Make sure you check him out. Everybody already does. At YouTube, he's also the author of Waiting for Nerdrotic from Prison to YouTube. You heard him allude to it several times. His time spent in prison. You go read about it with Waiting for Nerdrotic. Always good to have you, Gary. Thanks for spending time with us today.

Well, it's an honor, guys. It was great talking to you. Hope to see you again soon. Sir. Thank you. All right. Take care, man. We'll see you again next time.

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