Will Cain Country - What Biden Didn't Tell You, What the Media Ignored, and What Will Saw Inside the Pentagon (w/ Michele Tafoya)

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Story #1 – Will went inside the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth — what he saw, what they discussed, and why it matters now. Story #2 – Did Joe Biden have cancer and keep it hidden during his presidency? Will and the host of The Michele Tafoya Podcast, Michelle Tafoya dig into what he said, what the media ignored, and what it could mean. Story #3 – Alina Habba says she’s charging Rep. Monica McIver (D-NJ). Plus, we hear from you! Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, behind the scenes at the Pentagon. Traveling to meet my friend who I haven't seen since the fall, your Secretary of Defense, the conversations from inside the office, the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegg said. Two, the biggest scandal of our lifetime, not just covering up Joe Biden's mental incapacity, but covering up a cancer, terminal, cancer diagnosis, keeping it from the American people, keeping it from Congress, subverting democracy to retain power with Michelle Tofoya. 3. As a neutral, no invested interest. The Eastern and Western Conference finals of the NBA playoffs are pretty good, pretty entertaining, as is the fight between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page

every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time. Make sure you hit subscribe at Apple or on Spotify or drop into the comments section and become a member of the Walliscia. We hope you'll leave us a five-star review. Join our community. Make sure you converse. Give us feedback. Criticize the things that I do with my hands here on. the Will Kane show. Man, I've been doing media, creating content. I've been on television for well over 15 years. And two days, I can't figure out. It's a little bit like somebody who has OCD. I think OCD sneaks up on you. I do. I don't know too much about OCD, but I imagine you don't start out slamming the door five times. I imagine you don't start out wiping the counter a dozen

times. I imagine it creeps up on you. And I think I've developed tics. And there's nothing like seeing yourself back on camera and social media to make you aware of your tics. And last week on the Will Cain show, somebody said to me, what are you doing with your hands? Now, anybody that listens to the digital version or watches the digital version of Will Cain show knows this is a thing. And I've got to figure it out. But the television audience is still getting to know me. And somebody commented last week why does it always look like you're holding a baby bird in your hands

and it's so mean because it's so true it's so true no like this like I have the base of my palms together and then my fingers are gently touching each other like you're

like you're cradling a baby bird that you don't want to squish but you don't want to fly away let you tell you the truth and I don't know man I don't know what I'm doing doing, okay? Go ahead and clip that and run it after every hot take. I don't know, man. I don't know what I'm doing. You know, I think Waters is well practiced in, you know, grand hand gestures, you know, in how to present on camera. I don't know if he's stood in front of the mirror. I don't know how he's

perfected everything he does. And of course, Trump's hand gestures are stuff of legend. I've got to sit in front of a mirror and I've got to figure out how to talk and not let this tick metastasize and yesterday at the Pentagon for a live version of the Will Kane show literally a producer got into my ear at one point and said sit up because I also slouch and I think at my age it's all coming like the chickens are coming home to roost it's all settling in on my body like I'm starting to feel it in one hip I'm a leaner I think one shoulder's lower than the other I think I always lean to my left side, put my elbow on my thigh. I've got to get posture and hand gestures down because I'm going to turn into a gollum.

And unless I'm Larry King, that's not going to work on TV. Like I'm got my shoulders high, my suspenders low, slouched over with weird hand gestures. I'm going to be ripe for parity on SNL. Unless I get this stuff together, fast, stat. It's creeping up on you like OCD. There was a good one yesterday And one of the clips I have here Of your hand gestures

That I was just like What are you doing there, pal? I don't know What I'm doing I've turned in to Will Ferrell From Talladega Nights I don't know what to do with my hands Or it's how I think

Through what I'm saying To do weird things I'm doing it now It's just below the camera I'm like slowly closing Each finger From pinky to ring finger To middle fingers

To index finger To thumb Like slowly as I talk. Just set them on the desk, Will. Just set them on the desk. I sat on the Secretary of Defense desk yesterday in my visit to the Pentagon. It's one of the few comments of criticism that I got. Get your ass off our desk, said the Willisha.

Let's get into it with story number one. Live from the Pentagon yesterday. Will Kane show. For the first time since the fall, I saw our old friend. I saw the Secretary of Defense. I visited with Pete Higset. It was an incredible trip to the nation's capital to a building that's wrapped in mystique. I thought about that word mystique, and I think it is the right word to describe the Pentagon. It's simultaneously cloaked in prestige and mystery. What's behind those five-sided walls. Well, I got a look. I got behind the scenes yesterday. We conducted our show yesterday on the lawn outside of the Pentagon with the Secretary of Defense. But before that, I got a tour.

I got to see deep into the bowels. I got to see the A-ring. The Pentagon, five-sided and made-up of concentriced circles has from outside to in the EDCB and most inner circle, the A ring. What I'll tell you from the outset to a days is everyone should rest easy knowing that although the Secretary of Defense and the President have asked for a $1 trillion budget for the Department of Defense and they currently sit on somewhere between an $800 and $900 billion annual budget, none of that money is being wasted on design. the Pentagon is government offices it is 70% of the time depressing white characterless hallways lit by fluorescent 1970s lighting i remember watching the movie the good shepherd and

seeing matt damon walk down the hallway as he meets some other high-ranking official of the CIA with a tense meeting in the hallway and i remember the hallway being gray and white and void of personality. That is sort of most of the offices and rings of the Pentagon. Now, as you walk through the Pentagon, certain wings are dedicated to the various military branches, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Space Force. And some are more elaborate than others.

Space Force, which we took a tour through, has a wing where it's fascinating to watch a government military branch created from scratch there's homages a sort of museum to pop culture to the space race

to the Russians the Chinese the competition for dominance in space but also to Star Trek and Captain Kirk I asked the general in charge of space force what does that mean like do we have a special operations division

Is manpower part of the future dominance of space? And he said, no, not for now. It's technology. I imagine he's not going to give me all the classified information and everything to do with Space Force. But as I walked down the corridors of the Army, you could see something that's been around longer than the nation itself. This summer, we're invited, the Will Kane Show,

to participate in the military parade on the mall at Washington, D.C. I was invited by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army as the Army celebrates its birthday, along with the President of the United States. And Chief of Staff, Randy George, took me inside his office. Wooden hallways, museums dedicated to Vietnam, World War II, every chapter in the history of the United States Army. His office is itself a museum to history, the desk,

where sat Eisenhower, where sat Marshall, where sat MacArthur? I stood over the globe that Eisenhower and Marshall stood over to talk about the plan for World War II. And you can see where Eisenhower bent over the globe with a red Sharpie or whatever brand dominated the red marker market in the 1930s and traced the outline of the German empire and what ultimately would be the final stopping point. of the Allies in World War II. And then I think one of the most interesting

anecdotes I gathered from the Pentagon was this. As you make your way through the concentric circles of the Pentagon, I would think you, two days, or I, or anyone watching, would guess it gets more secretive, more classified, and more restricted the further you go into the Pentagon. Yeah. And you wouldn't be wrong.

You wouldn't be painted a fool for thinking the same thing as the Soviets. So as you enter the very middle of the Pentagon, you enter a garden. In the middle of the Pentagon is open space, green space, a park where anyone can go outside. It's completely blocked off from the outside world. Trees, grass, but in the middle, almost like in Central Park is a building. a building that stands alone. The Soviets spied on the Pentagon throughout the Cold War. They saw that building,

and they saw officers of every rank going into that building. Admirals, generals, walking up to that building, empty-handed. And when they left the building, as my tour guide told me, they would always leave with something glowing, metallic, something mysterious. And the Soviets concluded this must be the real Pentagon. It must be underground. This may be a passcode key. This may be the way to enter the most secretive parts of the Pentagon.

And so the Soviets pointed to nukes at that building. Should we go into nuclear war with the Soviets during the Cold War, this would be ground zero. Those at the Pentagon had now called it the ground zero shack. In fact, one of the designers or one of the workers, at some level of authority at the Pentagon, wanted to go on the roof of this building and paints a bullseye target. He was ultimately told no. But what the Soviets thought was the most secretive and important part of the Pentagon, or you or I or anyone listening might think so as well, turned out to be.

And it remains to this day a sandwich shop, a pot belly. And back in the day, a hot dog store. And those glowing metallic objects that admirals and generals and privates walked into and came out of was the tin foil wrapped around the hot dogs that they got at that central shack. No, I didn't get into the most secret of classified areas other than the office of the Secretary of Defense, where I interviewed Pete Hegg said. We met each other that morning at the 9-11 Chapel where the plan on 9-11 hit the Pentagon. it apparently as i learned yesterday penetrated all the way virtually to the b ring of the pingon three almost four levels deep into the pentagon jet fuel exploded 184 were killed mostly hit a wing dedicated to the navy and there's a 9-11 chapel now built right there where it hit from the outside by the way

all executive offices at the pentagon are at the e-ring on the outermost ring of the Pentagon with windows facing the outside. That's where I met the chief of staff for the United States Army. That's where I met the Secretary of Defense. And when I saw him walk up, it's the first time we've seen each other since the Army Navy game in November. It was like seeing an old friend. And that was a challenge in this interview yesterday. How do you do that? How do you be real with the audience and your relationship? But how do you also afford the appropriate level of respect for someone who now is something like fourth or fifth in the line for the presidency,

in the line of succession of the presidency. But it was easy. We fell right in. I did call him Mr. Secretary most of the time. And I'd say first things first, I had to make fun of his shoes. And I had to make fun of the fact that we dressed like twins without ever having talked to each other.

What was that about? What was that about? Red ties. Nothing. Nothing. I know it's hard to believe. You look like you're wearing the exact same suit. It's embarrassing.

I admit. It's up there among the most embarrassing things you could have hoped for at the outcome of this interview. But man, much like sitting together on the couch at Fox and Friends and completing each other's sentences because we're on the same wavelength. I guess we were the same wavelength as well on what to wear that day. Small, poca-dotted. red ties with a light blue suit. I did see a lot of people online giving the secretary a little bit of guff for his choice in footwear. He chose to wear light brown loafers just for what it's worth, whether or not your Wall Street Journal fashion critic or a random commenter on social media

who takes themselves all too seriously. That's also the first thing I did when I saw the secretary make fun of his loafers. You don't catch me without laces. unless they are. It's gutsy to do in the Pentagon. But we did get to sit down. We did get to sit down. And this is what he told me about his goals at the Department of Defense. You came in to the Defense Department with three main goals.

Help me and the American people understand what you want to accomplish at the Pentagon. Three clear goals. We hammer at home every day, every speech, the Joint Chiefs throughout the Pentagon, restore the warrior ethos, rebuild the military, reestablished deterrence. And the warrior ethos is simple. It's readiness, accountability, lethality, war fighting. None of this woke, DEI, CRT, gender pronoun, green news scam stuff. That's all out.

Ideological ideology is out. Capabilities, colorblind, merit-based, back-to-basics. It really is a back-to-basics message. And then rebuilding the military. I mean, President Trump did it in his first term. We're doing it again, making sure what we fund, the capabilities we fund, match the threats we face of the future, not reflexively what we fought in the past. he's going to be the first president to introduce a trillion dollar budget that's not just spending more it's also being serious about an audit it's also finding cuts where we pull out the biden garbage and put in president

trump's priorities so we're going to invest a generational investment in those capabilities that's what he had to say about his three main goals focus on combat readiness and the fatality not dei to reinvitalize the defense industrial base to focus on the wars of tomorrow it's also something I heard from the highest levels of the Army. And that is focused on AI and tech and the way that wars will be fought tomorrow. And three, reestablished deterrence with an America first agenda. Secretary Heggsat, then President Trump laid out last week in the Middle East a grand vision, honestly a revolutionary vision for how we're going to handle. We're going to, yes, focus on things like the Houthis and the Panama Canal and important choke points on this globe for the United

States of America, but also we're going to be humble. about how we approach, our ability to change the way of life for people while preserving the way of life for Americans. I did talk about China as well because video came out in the past weekend of China and a massive mothership with drones almost like something out of Star Wars coming out of the belly of each side of this mothership. And I said, are we ready? Are we ready to keep up with China?

And here's what was said by the Secretary of Defense. You and I've been together for many years. about the war games that have been played here at the Pentagon on what it looks like when we go up against China. But our job is to get ahead and stay ahead, Will. That's why we're here. We concede nothing to the communist Chinese. We're creating dilemmas for them at every level.

I was in multiple meetings just today talking about these various scenarios. We're laser-focused, and we're certainly not going to reveal here what capabilities we have or don't have. And there's a lot of things you learn when you come into this building about ways in which we're planning for every possible contingency of what the Chinese would want to do. have to factor more into their calculus what we're going to do based on the technological advantages that we have than we with them i asked the secretary about the controversies around signal and whether or not he could guarantee the american people not the left but anybody who has real

concerns whether or not they should feel secure in any information shared on any platform he said look at our success look at the houthis and trust i take nothing more seriously i asked him about turnover, leaks, and firings at the Pentagon. He said he's never had a better team around him at DoD. I will tell you from my perspective, there is no one more suited to understand the role of Secretary of Defense. Why? Because there is no one, I think, most likely in this country who is more suited to understanding the goals and the vision of the President of the United States Donald Trump while also being in touch with the warfighters that execute that vision. He is the conduit, intellectually, and in morale, his and our military, in connecting a president to his

military. And if you do not trust in my word, what I would say to you this, my experience your state of the Pentagon reflected this. The Secretary of Defense has the full support of the highest of military leadership. They share the vision for the future of the U.S. military. and they appreciate, as I heard it directly from their words, the future under Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and President Donald Trump. One of the biggest scandals of our lifetime, not just covering up Joe Biden's mental incapacity,

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We're going to bring you in in the third segment here. What did you think about what you saw from the Secretary of Defense and from behind the scenes at the Pentagon? We want to hear from you, the Williscia. But now we hear from the host of the Michelle Tofoya podcast. Michelle Tafoya on the Will Cain show.

Hey, Michelle. It suddenly occurred to me, Will. whose voice you remind me of. I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but Patrick Mahomes. Oh, that, they call him Kermit the Frog, Michelle. I sound like Kermit the Frog? No, you're not as, you don't have as much of the gravelly

or the part of it, but your tone. Yeah, it just hit me. I just have a similar. Take it as a common. I just have a similar nasally, nasally approach. It's not. I loved your stuff from the Defense Department and I, from the Pentagon. And I especially love the hot dog rapper story.

I thought that was tremendous. Isn't that incredible? Isn't that incredible? Oh, man. Luckily for you, I take what I say seriously, but not myself seriously. So I don't mind. I'm now Kermit the Frog, aka Patrick Mahomes. Hey, speaking of, we've got some very serious breaking news here, Michelle.

According to the New York Times, Former New England Patriot head coach current North Carolina head coach Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, are now engaged, Michelle. Wow, really? Well, that takes care of that. You know, this has been almost surreal to watch. There are other coaches in the NFL who you could say, oh, you know, or even in college football, you could say, it's kind of makes sense. This has been so fascinating to watch a guy, Bill Belichick's caliber and his privacy and his, you know, halt to any kind of media. He doesn't love dealing with the media and to have this gal by his side who loves the attention and for him to be engaging in it with her. It's just such a departure. It's it's been wild. But congratulations to them. I hope they're happy.

It does seem like a 70-something-year-old man who has departed from his prior personality to some extent, and he makes you wonder who he's got around him besides, besides Jordan Hudson. And that's the perfect segue to the former president of the United States and who he's got around him. Okay. I don't know that I can do this without anger, but I really am angry at this. Okay. And I'm angry at this on a multitude of levels, Michelle. Most notably, it is so incredibly dangerous for America that this. this man's frailty physically and mentally was hidden from the American people.

But it also angers me, obviously, the cover up and the lies. And the wanted list for the liars is so long. It's the people around him, his family, his administration, but also the media. But let's start with Joe Biden, Michelle, because here, I want you to hear the lies that he told us about his health throughout his presidency. And so I guarantee you, I guarantee you. I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in terms of my health

and all aspects of my health and when it comes to Donald Trump versus me just look at us okay that's why I had so damn many other people I grew up have cancer I've laid every bit of the record out

I hadn't done heading a thing you ought to ask Trump for his okay I've laid it all out he's laid it all out he promised he would be up front about his health and then he had that slip in 2022 where he said that he had cancer right michel i just think it's one of the biggest ever scandals i can't

disagree with that and you know what Biden always had this declarative part of his communications process i guarantee i guarantee you heard him say in that first clip just like when they said have you ever you know talked to your son about his business dealings no i have no i have never talked to any of my children, like declaratively so pronounced and so adamant about these things that later became clearly false and they were lies. And again, there wasn't this kind of, you know, walking around the edges of it. No, absolutely guaranteed those kinds of statements make this all the more ridiculous and heinous. And it's, you know, to say that there was a cover up and that the we all saw it will we saw it early middle and the end we all saw what was

going on and for years i wondered who in the hell was running the presidency because it couldn't possibly be this man and we saw the mental capacity but what we couldn't see was the physical failing so the story is he now has stage four prostate cancer that has metastasized into the bones Now, almost every medical expert, including former Obama doctor, Zeke Emanuel, has said, you do not develop stage four metastasized cancer in 100 days. You do not. He is the president of the United States. It's inconceivable that his health was not being monitored while he is president of the United States.

Today, I think there is a doctor that went on CBS said they weren't measuring his PSA levels, which is obscene. It's unbelievable. That's about practice, isn't it? For a man his age? Exactly. And it's just incredulous. You're taking his temperature. You're doing everything as president to the United States. Yeah, his age, you're measuring his PSA levels, which means, according to most doctors, he would have been developing this to get to this stage for not months, but years. As he came manual said, probably going back to the beginning of his presidency, 2021, was when you would have, and they speak almost declaratively. Just shy of declaratively, that is not something that happens. quickly. Now, yesterday, Michelle, I had Dr. Drew Pinsky on my show, who has had prostate cancer and overcome it. And he tied these two things together. Like, hey, did you know that

the treatment for prostate cancer has a real impact on your ability to walk, your ability to talk, your ability to think? Here's Drew Pinsky. The really interesting question here is, if he say was diagnosed a couple of years ago, one of the next stages in treatment, other than the local treatment that you might try if somebody does not yet have distant metastases. What you do when they're distant metastases is something called androgen deprivation therapy. It's routine. It slows the prostate cancer down. And the side effects are cognitive slowing, muscle wasting and falls. That is the biggest problem with androgen deprivation therapy. And it would clearly explain what we have seen over the last couple of years.

oh man michel and and then and then we get to the cover up which which look his wife his family his advisors as far as i'm concerned the list is long and deep and it in it and this is how we should approach it guilty until proven innocent yeah it's hard to say that in the united states of america but there are just too many things here that jump out and you're right that list is long and it's it's so corrupt and the other observation that you're seeing a lot of is they were willing to go through another election with this guy like you know had yes had that debate not happened they were willing to continue to go through with this like unless they were thinking well let's get him elected because he's beat trump before maybe he's the only guy who can beat trump

so let's get him elected then he'll say guess what i have cancer i have to step down and Kamala Harris will step forward. I don't know. It didn't happen, but there is so much about this administration that has not been transparent. That has been full of lies and holes and misinformation, disinformation, you name it. And we all sort of knew, but I also get really angry like you do at the press because they didn't push hard enough. And now all these guys coming out with books, Jake Tapper ought to be, I don't know how he sleeps at night. I swear I don't.

He was one of the key protectors. And now he's acting as though, look at this great revelatory book I have coming out. Aren't I great? It just ticks me off. Yeah. And it was all done in the service of maintenance of power. Yes. Donald Trump's a threat to democracy.

We must stop Donald Trump. Well, outside of the slogan, let's talk about what a real threat to democracy is. And it might be, I would humbly suggest, hiding from the American people and Congress, for that matter, the terminal cancer diagnosis of the president of the United States, so self-serving, such a real threat to democracy. All right. And I want to talk about this. Go ahead, Michelle. People will point to Ronald Reagan's second term and say, you know, he had his issues and they covered them up. And that's certainly worth debating as well, although we've been there.

but just like that now chuck schumer and everyone else they just want to look forward will they're moving ahead they don't want to look back well i don't think it's an unworthy point that you make and i think i will actually make it today a little bit later at four o'clock on the fox news channel and that is okay this isn't the first time a president's health has been hid from the american public whatever ronald regan's health was the last year to his presidency he wasn't seeking re-election that's true he wasn't trying to delude the american people into voting for him once again. JFK had health maladies that were hidden from the American public. I don't know that they were life-threatening, but he had real serious health maladies that were kept from the

American public. But this is not just a lie of omission. This is a lie, a blatant lie to the face of the American people. Yes. From everyone around Joe Biden and himself, Joe Biden, and as you point out, the press, just all to stop Donald Trump. Yep, one goal. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Neeson. Buy your tickets now.

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Listen and follow now at Fox Truecrime.com. I wanted to run this by you. I found this fascinating as well. So this is the mayor of Chicago, Michelle, Brandon Johnson. First of all, this is what he had to say recently. Some detractors that will push back on me and say, you know, the only thing the mayor talks about is the hiring of black people. No, what I'm saying is when you hire our people, we always look out for everybody else. We are the most generous people on the planet. I don't know too many cultures that have play cousins. That's how generous we are. We just make somebody a family member, right? This is how we are. And so business and economic neighborhood development,

the deputy mayor, is a black woman. Department of Planning Development. It's a black woman. All right. So in response to that, by the way, Michelle, the DOJ Civil Rights Division, Harmony Dillon has launched an investigation into the use, the use of race in hiring practices in the city of Chicago. Yeah.

Your thoughts. So this is racist. You know, people used to call it reverse racism will. No, it's just, it's just racist. To speak in a language that is so divisive, that is so, we, this, you, that. I think Chicagoans should be alarmed. I think they should be angry. I don't, I've never seen the merits in this guy as a mayor.

There's, but this, this really takes the cake. You put it in any other, you know, if you had a Jewish mayor who said, we are the most compassionate people on earth. That's why I have a Jewish woman as this and I have a Jewish woman as that. People would be going freaking. So this is racist. Don't kid yourself. And don't come at this with, well, we're making up for all the ills of the past. That's not how it's done. You don't fight racism with racism. We've made a ton of progress over the last many hundred years. And rather than acknowledging that and building on that, we continue to go back to the divisive ways of identity politics. And it saddens me and it angers me. you make the exact right point and that is play the word game let's do it everyone listening and it is not a semantic it is not cheap it is dead on bull's eye if i said but i don't have any hiring power so it would be different but everyone would indict me as racist if i said but if i were

running a city or a state or a company and i said it would be a whole level of something different we only hire asian people uh here or we primarily hire asian people because you know they're really analytical you know or we like to focus on white people and our hiring practices they're really punctual you know if i played this game with any race and any adjective whatever it may be it would be indicted it would be condemned as racist and i would if i were in a position of power like the mayor of chicago i would be subjected to an investigation on civil rights violations and I don't know why I mean I know that it is the case but I don't know why it is the case that we live in a place today and let's be clear about I don't know if it's exclusively the province of someone who is black that feels like they have this licensed there might be others but it certainly is the case that we give passes to some to be racist as though it's impossible and I know they say that out loud I know that that's an argument's been made you can't be racist if you're black and they've said that I think the vast majority of Americans disagree.

We know what racism is, and we just heard it there from the America. We just heard it, and we're seeing it. And I just, you know, it was interesting. I had Jay Feely, the former NFL kicker on my show recently, and he's running for Congress down in Arizona. And he said when he played football at Michigan, it was you weren't, you know, your identity was you're a Michigan Wolverine, you're a football player on the team. And no one cared about anything else. his son went to Michigan to play and it was different it was post-COVID post you know george floyd and he had a much different experience and it was much more about identity politics

and i think that that george floyd moment changed a lot of things will and um not for the better all right speaking of sports i wanted to talk about this with you today this this kind of erupted over the weekend it's kind of been the big cultural debate in sports it's angel reese versus kately Clark. Now everyone listening probably knows who Caitlin Clark is. Angel Reese, I don't know if she's her rival. She's not included in like the debate over who's the best player in the NBA. It's Asia Wilson, I believe, and some for Caitlin Clark as well. But Caitlin Clark is transformative in the vein of Steph Curry for the game. Yes. But Reese has always sort of had this rivalry. They played each other in national championship game. It's a rivalry, though, also

mainly built upon, I would argue, fame and recognition. The amount that Kate Clark got versus other players in the NBA. And then this happened this weekend in a game. And for those listening on Spotify, Apple, or on radio, I'll try to describe for you. But here's a little bit of sound and images from what happened in a game between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Strong on a three. And look out.

Kailink Clark pushes Angel Reese and Angel Reef gets right up into Kainland Clark. Afterwards, has something to say as Clark walks away. So, Angel Reese shoves an Indiana fever player in the back. Caitlin Clark thought a foul should have been called. It wasn't called, so the play continued. So then without giving up a free and easy layup, Caitlin Clark hard fouls, Angel Reese, Angel Reese takes exception to it. It is a hard foul.

It is in the scope of basketball as well. It wasn't like a flagrant. Right. And then I think Angel Reese cursed her out, you know, kind of chased her down, got confrontational but the real battle really erupted in the media and that is basically are you allowed to criticize angel reese and what she did there and it's just evolved like rg3 versus ryan clark who i think you've had some back and forth with uh rg3 took the side of katelyn clark and said angel reese has a long time rivalry and hatred of kately clark which there is evidence

to support his position by the way and then others going how dare you say that you're feeding into this racist army that supports Caitlin Clark, Michelle. It's nuts, this whole thing. But it's interesting because it almost seems like this is a rivalry between these two players, even though, as you said, Angel Reese doesn't, isn't really on Caitlin's level of play. But because of their history in college and because of this, and let's face it, Angel Reese has played the race card on this thing. she was in Vogue magazine she shows up to games dressed to the nines

Caitlin's very different but this but I think if they were both black or both white it might not be the same thing that it is now and and then because you've seen it you have RG3 come out and say this and then Ryan Clark says well RG3 is married to a white woman so he doesn't know what the struggles are of black women Angel Reese is not, I don't think, struggling as a black woman in America the way that Ryan Clark thinks she is. She's a famous woman.

She's on the cover of cereal boxes. She's making money. She's in Vogue magazine. That doesn't sound or appear to me anyway as someone who is struggling in America. And that's what Ryan Clark is making this all about is that black women in America really struggle. and really all this erupted from was Caitlin Clark committing a hard foul against Angel Reese and then all hell broke loose.

I don't know if the WNBA likes this or not. It sure brings a lot of attention to the game. It has sort of a bird magic feel to it in a way. I don't know if they like that part of it, but it's certainly not helping race relations. You know, it reminds me, So if we dropped a rock into a pond, there's the initial place that the rock hits the water. And then the ripple out and the ripple out from the water.

All the fight is in the ripple out. It's like all out here as an echo of an echo of an echo of an incident, one incident. You know, Angel Reese has, as you point out, brought race into it. So race is not just a ripple effect in this thing. it is it is one of the internal concentric circles in this story right i don't think katelyn clark has done anything to to inflame or to make race a part of this story at all but angel reese has um now kate then then the argument comes well katelyn clark supporters are the ones that bring race into it or they like her because she's wide or then and then now we're getting the concentric circles and now

we're out here you know we're out here further away from the incident and then we get even further it's like well don't criticize angel reese because that feeds into to the other concentric circle of the white supporters and then the hatred of the black women. And now we're talking about people that aren't even connected to this event. When like in most cases when we do this, here's the truth.

And I think this is totally fair to say. And I think this is where RG3 was. And I think he's more accurate in this situation is beyond our color, we are human beings with personalities and emotional motivations. And it's clear there's something emotionally, individually, in their personalities

that is taking place between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, right? And it is like jealousy, rivalry, attention, things that are completely separated from race. And it's self-serving for everyone to take it to all these like outer concentric circles. It's not wrong for RJ3 to focus in on the two individuals involved and go, you know what I think's going on here? This is what I think is going on here. And by the way, most casual observers would look at it and see it the same way. This is about these two individuals and the way really one feels about the other in Angel Reese and how she feels about Caitlin Clark. And maybe vice versa, although like you, I haven't seen that necessarily. But yeah,

we're all just human beings, Will, and we're all just on the earth trying to do our best at what we do. And emotions get the better of all of us. We've seen it in every sport, right? We've seen emotions get the better of guys that end up doing stupid penalties, committing stupid penalties on a football field that end up in a 15-yard penalty and you're going, how could you not have learned this by now? You're a five-year veteran in the NFL and you still did that? Yeah. Because emotions are real. And honestly, I think the people who are most grounded in their lives are the ones who understand how to channel their emotions, how to keep them in check. You saw Caitlin walk away in that piece of film. She didn't stay in it and continue the

verbal argument. She kind of put her hands up and walked away. Now, I'm not saying she didn't get emotional, but she certainly seemed to handle it right in the postgame as well as to what she said. She said it was a hard foul. Anyone who knows basketball knows that, and that's what it was. But you're right. The concentric circles are what gets everybody whipped up. And that Ryan Clark RG3 conversation on X has continued to blow up and draw commentary. I wish it weren't the case, but it is and it also does the service of allowing someone to not take responsibility for their own behavior personality and actions i always use this example but like you know if a if a black person cut off a white person in traffic and then the white person yells at the black person they didn't do

that based upon the evidence i just laid out because you're black they did that because you as a human being a singular individual exhibited behavior of cutting someone else off in traffic and that made them mad. You know what I mean? So it's a way of totally divorcing yourself from the right or wrong of what you did. And by the way, you could reverse the races

or do any race you want. Exactly. But it's just a way of never having to take responsibility. That's totally correct. And that's why victimhood is such a fabulous currency for these folks, lots of folks who want to put themselves in some sort of identity politics lane,

no matter how skinny or brought that lane, is they use their identity as a way to keep them at bay from criticism, responsibility, accountability. Well, I couldn't do this because, you know, I'm brown. And brown people are looked upon differently and therefore I couldn't. That kind of thing has been being taught in schools for a long, long time. And I think it's really taken hold of a certain number of people and I see it I see it all around me in personal interactions with others and it is frustrating because you just want to say look you're a human being I'm a human being you're skilled at things I'm skilled at things go live your life go do what you want to do pursue your dreams leave the

other stuff behind because you were born the way you were born and no one could take that away from you and it's immutable and you have no control over it leave it alone and just go be. And it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating because this whole mindset has sort of taken over a good number of our young people. And you just hope they grow out of it, Will. And what you're saying is common sense that became controversial. I think it's coming back around to being acknowledged as common sense and good and right. You can get more good and right at the Michelle Tofoya podcast. I always love talking to her. Thank you so much, Michelle. Good to see you, Will.

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Hey, some of your comments coming in on Facebook and on YouTube from the Willisha about my trip to the Pentagon. A couple of questions from Facebook. Denise Huber Green asks, walking the halls, do you feel the history. Not really, Denise, in parts. I'm telling you, it is a government office building where they did not spend much money on design. Going down the wing for the Army, yes, you feel some history. It's almost like a museum, though. I'll tell you where you feel the history in the offices. At SEC DEF's office with his gigantic desk with like, I don't know, 20 drawers, 40 drawers, that multiple SEC DEFs have sat behind. Yeah, you feel the history in the chief of staff of the army's office with those desks in the and the globe um yes you

feel the history but walking down the halls you do not quite honestly um how was the food asked steve phabris uh it was actually good had lunch with the secretary uh just the two of us we got to catch up for a little bit and i had a chicken bowl with rice a little spicy like a chipotle mayo type thing, you know, the little, you know, like raising canes and everybody in Chick-fil-A has their special sauce. The Pentagon might have a special sauce. It might be the sec-defs. He said he liked it.

And it was spicier than I, he usually doesn't, you know, he's Minnesota. It doesn't have like a. Is it a nuclear, does I would say? Oh, it's not, it's not, I should have asked. I did ask, am I being recorded as all, is all of this being, really? I did ask. Yeah, of course I did, man. I'm super, uh, yeah, I'm like that.

Not that I'm conspiratorial, but like with Apple and our phones and Instagram, all listening, I wonder if everything is listening. But they, you know what, multiple offices you're in. By the way, here's a nugget, really bad cell service all throughout. You cannot. If you tried to get me yesterday or anybody, my show producers, they couldn't. It's just really bad self-service. And I don't know if that's by intention or the structure of the building. And by the way, Suzanne on YouTube asked, did the sheer size of the Pentagon Surprise Will, the White House seems.

seems large on TV, but in person, it's a lot smaller than I imagined. I feel the opposite of the Pentagon. You're right, Suzanne. Pentagon is big, and it's got these gigantic walls. And so, yeah, that might be the cell service issue, but what I was getting at is all these offices, they're skiffs. A skiff is a place that is like, you can't take your cell phone in. Everything in there is private.

So when I went into several offices, including sex thefts, I had to leave my cell phone. A lot of the pig on is cell phone free, so I had to leave it in the hallway. couldn't bring it in um go ahead two days you had a question yeah what was security like there getting in it's i mean it's the dod but like the pentagon um but does he have security around him at all times what was it like getting into the building yeah he does he has a security detail around him yeah it's kind of badass you have to be well i'm smiling because i'll tell you when we moved out onto the pentagon lawn to do the interview right um i just kind of looked up and I saw these dudes standing with their back to us, you know, like, one over there,

one over there. And I was like, is that your detail? Like, how many in your detail? And he goes, Will, that whole thing behind me is my detail. Everybody. You see everyone here? The Pentagon. Yeah.

The Pentagon is my detail. I mean, I make that joke and it's all jokes. I should tell you, like, I mean, I look, I understand my lack of objectivity. I understand he's my friend. And so does everybody watching. no hiding the ball here but i mean i'm gonna share with you one other thing he said he's like the trappings of this thing mean nothing to me whatever the office you know flying on a plane nothing nothing like his connection and his his his devotion to the warrior is it's just it's just

no act it's just it's it's it's not put on and it's been that way since i've known him and i and i know that this is not someone who's feeling his status this is someone who as he said to me in the interview, like, every day of my life right now is the most consequential decisions I've ever made in my life. And the cumulative effect of that is stressful and burdensome, but also inspiring. Here, I want to give you guys a little more color. Here's a little bit from my tour at the Pentagon. This is dedicated to all the portraits, offices, and all the artifacts dedicated to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs Staff. The Joint Chiefs Staff, or JCS as a whole, didn't move into the Pentagon until 1947. Now, a lot of what happened in 1948.

was the National Security Act signed into effect by President Truman at that time. Now we're on the third floor, so, of course, you guys will be able to see portraits on either side dedicated to all the Secretary's defense throughout our history. You can see Dick Cheney right here. Yep, of course. Now, a little interesting story about this Secretary of Defense in particular. In 1989, when he was first trying to kind of peruse the hallways of the building, he actually got lost in the basement and had to wander around for about 10 minutes. Dick Cheney and General Eisenhower both got lost at the Pentagon. Has the current Secretary of Defense gotten lost inside the Pentagon?

That is a level of intel that I do not have the information on. So I did not. The current SEC death apparently has not gotten lost, but he always has somebody with him guiding him around the facility. Donna Bollinger on Facebook says, Would Secretary Hegseth be open to additional interviews every six month or so? Would love this? Well, that came up because I like doing the show on the White House,

on the Pentagon lawn, but I love the interview that we did, and I didn't plan it, you know, but we had cameras in his office, sitting there in his office in the conference. He was really relaxed, and it was really great to see him, you know, be the human being that I know that he is. And I said, I want to bring what we call Live View, which is something that allows us to broadcast remotely, in here. And I don't want to do it next. And they were like, okay, maybe, maybe next year.

So as I left, I sent to his. as i as i know media person i know and i don't know if we'd be able to pull that off i don't know about that and i will say there are things when we you know you know you see um you see haterade you see comments people making fun of his loafers so did i um people making say my shoes were dirty they weren't dirty there's just the light i don't know or maybe my shoe shine had already started to gather like that waxy look i don't know um but it does look like i've been walking through a horse stall there a little bit on that picture you just showed in my

shoes. People, oh, there's nothing on his desk. Yeah, man. There's nothing on his desk because they clean it off before cameras come in. Like some of the criticism, it's like, can you, like a little bit of logic, a little bit of understanding. He's going to leave some classified information on that desk for you.

Just a little spice up the interview. Sherry Springer over on YouTube said, how awesome was it visiting your old Fox and Friends buddy? Y'all cry or laugh the most? Why would we cry? men here what are we going to cry about i was awesome to say like what was those first moments like and how are the kids and to catch up on how the kids are doing he said the first it was like this you come into that office for the first time for 20 minutes he sat there with his family

and took it in and then immediately they left and it's four hours of briefing okay here's what you need to know and linda crowley says what was the attitude of the pentagon workers upbeat and i can say there's a civilian side and the military side you know how that works the civilian appointments of the appointments of the president and under secretary of defense he a civilian worker the others like the chief staff of the army or the military side i interacted with both incredibly upbeat incredibly upbeat all right um before we go today i wanted to hit this story so alina hobba attorney general of new jersey she just posted this um regarding what happened at delaney hall in new jersey when four democratic

congressman and the mayor of new york protested and ultimately get into physical confrontation with ice a little over a week ago uh u s attorney uh for that district alina hobba correction said today my office has charged congressman congresswoman mckeiver with violation of title 18 united states code section 11 a f for assaulting impeding and interfering with law enforcement she dropped charges by the way, against the mayor of Newark in the description that said she body slammed a ice agent. Now, she said, I don't even know how to body slam. I can't actually believe her. I don't think she body slammed.

I mean, I'm thinking body slam, Hulk Hogan above the head down on the ground. So what I would say she did, certainly a physical assault, was more akin to a sumo wrestling move. She was shoving her belly into an ice agent repeatedly backing him up, you know, which is far beyond the pale. Far beyond what we should be accepting. And Hakeem Jeffries, House Minority can call it a red line. She already crossed the line, a minority leader. And this is not an appropriate behavior for a person, a member of Congress. And no one, as we've heard several times, no one is above the law.

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