Will Cain Country - What No One Wants to Admit About Food Stamps (ft. Michael Knowles & Jack Carr)

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

Story 1: In ‘Quick Takes,’ Will and The Crew discuss the severity of SNAP benefits expiring at the end of the month, Governor Jeff Landry (R-LA) jesting that President Trump should pick the next LSU head coach, and Vice President J.D. Vance ripping into immigration at a recent Turning Point USA event. Story 2: Host of ‘The Michael Knowles Show,’ Michael Knowles joins to discuss the possibility of Vance becoming the next U.S. president and how his campaign strategy will have to diverge from President Trump’s. Knowles and Will also share their thoughts on Bill Gates flip flopping his stance on climate change and whether it has to do with his recent investments in AI. Story 3: Former Navy Seal Sniper and New York Times Bestselling Author, Jack Carr shares his writing process with Will, from initial idea to publication. Carr also breaks down the subtle differences between writing contemporary thrillers and books set in the past and how he conducts his research for books set in other countries.In ‘Final Takes,’ Will tests The Crew’s knowledge of Southern cuisine, before a confusing debate over repealing Daylight Saving Time. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠@willcainshow⁠), Instagram (⁠@willcainshow⁠), TikTok (⁠@willcainshow⁠), and Facebook (⁠@willcainnews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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2. Left-wing violence testified to in front of the Senate with Michael Knowles. 3. The author of Cry Havoc and The Terminalist, Jack Carr. It is Will Kane Country on a Thursday. Welcome back. It's good to see you here today after a day off yesterday, surfing the big waves of Waco, Texas. I'm back. I'm back here with tin foil. Pat, today's Dan on Wilcane Country. We've got a lot to get to today, so let's get it started with some quick takes and story number one. man in broadcasting the one and only the currently negotiating his broadcast contract but ready today with a pirate patch and a workers jacket that reads jay is the halloween ready

tinfoil pat yeah i thought we were doing Halloween today but uh i guess that was the only one who sent the memo out yeah did it so there we go. So the guy in the office that shows up. What are you? Patrick. What are you? I'm Jay Leno last year. Oh, God.

Of course it was going to be dark. Of course it was going to be inappropriate. He's a hero of mine. I love him. So, you know, still all about the love for Jay. A Will-Cain show guest. Yeah, love Will. Or Jay.

Yeah, a friend of the Will-Cain show, Jay Leno. I'm not sure how much you'd appreciate this version of him being the one you wanted to celebrate on Halloween, but the Jay Leno that fell down an embankment outside of a Comfort Inn somewhere in the middle of America is the one celebrated today with an eyepatch by tinfoil Pat. But we've got to get to quick takes. And for that, we're going to turn it over to you now and everybody buckle up for the roller coaster that is tinfoil Pat's quick takes. Hey, we're going to not bury the lead today because we have a lot to talk about with SNAP. And food stamps are about to go away. It's a very big problem.

A lot of people are very curious about it. So Adam Krola had this to say on the Adam Kurola show. No, it might have been the Adam and Dr. Drew show because I think Dr. Drew was there too. So let's play the clip and let's see what he had to say. Those 40 million people average an extra 40 pounds on them over the average working American. If you took the average person that's on SNAP getting free food and the average person that gets no free food from the government, the average female who gets no free food for the government is 146 pounds. The average SNAP recipient is 211 pounds. So is it a food?

I know. First off, we talk about going hungry. Nobody could benefit from a nice fast more than the SNAP for recipients. It's so well put. And so finally put by Adam Carolla. Snap is in the news because SNAP benefits, food stamps are scheduled to expire this Saturday amidst the government shutdown. It is a political football. Republicans pointing out that people will go without food, or at least food subsidies, because

governments, Democrats want to extend government benefits for health care to illegal immigrants. It is certainly a pressure point. It's certainly not good politics for Democrats. Of course, they're going to try to shift the blame that it's actually Republicans responsible for the government shutdown. But as Republicans continuously vote for a clean resolution to keep the government. government funded, Democrats are looking for changes. Changes not ever through the normal closer business done through the negotiation of a CR. And the public knows this. The public has

seen who's the one forcing a government shutdown. Harry Enton of CNN has pointed out through the shutdown. Favorability ratings for Republicans have climbed. Favorability for Democrats have fallen. But it also has led to a fascinating conversation about SNAP, about food stamps. In 2000, in the year 2000, a little over 20 years ago, early 2000s, roughly 12 million Americans were on food welfare or recipients of SNAP. Today, that number is 42 million, 24 years later, from 12 million to 42 million on food assistance. We've also had studies over the last couple of months over who exactly is receiving welfare. With the debate over illegal immigration, what we see when it comes to food welfare, is that head of households, led by an illegal immigrant, 48% are receiving food welfare.

Leading to an obvious question, how much of those 42 million receiving SNAP aren't even American citizens? And is that the point of government welfare? To extend it to people who are not citizens of America. Then, Adam Carolla introduces yet another wrinkle to why there needs to be reform when it comes to welfare. We don't have a starvation problem in America. We might have a healthy eating problem, but we don't have a starvation problem in America. And the biggest problem for the poorest among us is obesity, more than it is malnutrition. And if SNAP benefits are leading to not just welfare for illegal immigrants, but disincentivized welfare for the poorest among us to not only not eat right, but to keep them from getting jobs or keeping,

from making wise choices about their health, their family, and their participation in society, we need to revisit this entire thing. Snap. Now, do we need to do it over a government shutdown? That's not what Democrats are fighting for. But still, it's pretty interesting to highlight. I think it's put very plainly.

Why are people on food welfare fat by Adam Carolla? Tinfoil Pat. Well, Governor Jeff Landry, I just found it his first name today. I just knew he was Governor Landry. He had this to say about, hey, maybe President Trump could pick the next LSU head coach. The first question is absolutely correct. We are not going down a failed path.

And I wanted to tell you something. This is a pattern. The guy that's here now that road debt contract costs Texas A&M, $70-something million. Right now we got a $53 million, line. We are not doing that again. And you know what? I believe that we're going to find a great coach. Maybe we'll let President Trump pick it.

He loves winners. You know, I'm not going to be picking the next coach. And that is a real Louisiana accent right there. That is an awesome accent. That is Cajun. It's got to be one of the coolest and most mysterious accents in America. And I love that a statewide official, a governor is still talking like we are a regional America, a provincial, regional country, which we are. And I love that. I want to hear that.

I want to hear Curtis Slewa with his, you know, what is that? I don't even know what Curtis Slewa's accent is. Is that Staten Island? Is that Queens? Yeah, it's pretty heavy over there. New York. And I really want a Governor Jeff Landry that speaks like a Cajun. You know, he's talking about the Louisiana State AD who hired Jimbo Fisher at Texas A. Now, a lot of people are pushing back saying that he didn't give Jimbo Fisher the extension to his contract that actually resulted in, what was it, a $94 million buyout. I think it was $77 million when he was fired because it may go down as you approach the end of your contract. And of course, Brian Kelly, the recently fired head coach of LSU, has a $54 million buyout. So he's making the argument.

I mean, this AD, I mean, the handwriting's on the wall for him, right? The governor of Louisiana is saying, no, he's not going to be picking the next coach. I think that they're going to be looking for a new AD at LSU. As for President Trump picking it, I was clearly tongue in cheek. He says, I'd rather have President Trump pick it than the current LSU AD. But I don't know that I've remembered a governor getting so involved. in a head coach search. I'm sure it's happened.

I'm sure they have input, but... Like dinner input? He said they're not going to do these big buyouts. Huh? Like dinner input? Like at a dinner, just be like, hey, you know, this guy looks good, that kind of thing? Like schmoozing? Well, I mean, it's a state institution.

You know, there's a board of supervisors for LSU, the president. It's all connected to the governor. Right. At some level, but I don't think they get too deeply involved. Now, the relationship between LSU and the state of Louisiana is probably unique. in that, you know, Texas has multiple colleges, multiple university systems. I know Louisiana does as well, but there's no, there is no alternative to that flagship in Louisiana.

Oklahoma will have Oklahoma State. Ole Miss will have Mississippi State. Alabama will have Auburn. You know, Clemson will have South Carolina. But at LSU, in Louisiana, it is LSU. But he says he's not going to give these buyouts. So, you know, and he says, we're going to have a great coach. I guess it's not going to be Lane Kiffin, right?

Because buyouts are part of the business right now. Who's not a Jimmy Sexton client? Yeah, he goes on to talk about that. Did you hear that? Yeah. The governor. He calls out the agents in the business saying they represent the ADs, the universities, the coaches, and he said now increasingly to players.

He's like, it's the Wild Wild West. It's a ton of conflict of interest. He goes off on it. And that beautiful, beautiful. Is that the Scott Boris of... Cajun? Of college agents? Better...

Yeah? Of college coaches. Yeah. All right, take it away tinfoil pack. All right. So we had Vice President J.D. Vance yesterday. He spoke at Turning Point USA event. I don't remember where, but he had this to say when somebody asked him a question about immigration.

We cannot have an immigration policy where what was good for the country 50 or 60 years ago binds the country inevitably for the future. There's too many people who want to come to the United States of America, and my job as Vice President is not to look out for the interest of the whole world. It's to look out for the people of the United States. You don't know where that was, tinfoil? No, I'm looking it up right now. Oh, Ole Miss. So, Oxford. Yes, nice job.

Elaine Kiffin. Nice, pretty soon. That was at Old Miss. And this is the stunning stat put out by Andrew Colvin of Turning Point. old miss has a student body of 27,000 kids there were 13,000 at that event at old miss that's half the student body showed up for this turning point event featuring the vice president that's stunning man and that says a lot like okay people have asked people have asked me personally do you think turning points momentum continues after the death of charlie kirk and and i don't know the answer to that you know over the long. over the long, uh, arc. What does it look like? Is it sustainable in two, three years? Well, this is certainly an indication that the answer you'd want to pick is yes. But secondarily, it's an incredible endorsement of the vice president. I don't know how many of those 13,000

turned out to honor Charlie Kirk, how many of those turned out because it was turning point, how many of those turned out because it was Erica Kirk, or how many of them turned out because it was as the featured speaker, Vice President J.D. Vance. But you have to think that Vance's presence is a big part of that. And that is a huge launch pad. I think it's a validation of Vance 2028. I mean, if he's got, and Turning Point in Vance and Kirk and Vance had a relationship, Kirk in no small part was responsible for J.D. Vance becoming Donald Trump's pick for vice president.

So those two, those two, that relationship is symbiotic, turning point in Vance. But the ability to connect with young people, if that is what J.D. Vance can do, that is a huge feather in his cap for becoming the next president of the United States. The other thing is, I don't know. Have you guys ever seen a vice president? A sitting vice president take open forum questions in a stadium from anybody that wants to walk up of the 13,000 and ask questions like that, unscripted. What do you mean? Joe Biden didn't do that? That's remarkable. Come on. Kamala Kamala did that

she didn't do that yeah couple times right and that's fun and that's hey that's fun and that's real but

you the truth is they're more par for the course for the regular politician it's more of a statement about J.D. Vance than it is about Kamala Harris is my point

you didn't see that from Mike Pence you didn't see that from any of the previous vice presidents A lot of downside. Joe Biden as vice president. A lot of downside to doing it. Oh, huge downside.

Those students could ask you anything. Anything. You got to be prepared. And you say one thing wrong. And that student that you just. Totally. That student, which you just heard the clip and the answer of, stands up and asks him, it's a young lady.

And as Dana Prina pointed out to me on Newsroom this morning, let's give her credit. She stood up in front of 13,000 people, most of whom probably disagree with her. She is from an immigrant family from India. And she says, look at me. This is who I am. I think we're contributing members of America. And your policies and your rhetoric suggest that you're worried about immigration. And you want to crack down on not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration. And then comes the answer. And most politicians, first of all, wouldn't be in this situation, wouldn't be answering questions like this.

But we've become conditioned to the fact that politics is pandering, lowest common denominator, and talking points. His answer is none of those things. His answer is, I can do two things at the same time. I can appreciate your immigrant story, your pathway to American citizenship, and I can celebrate what you've contributed to America. At the same time, believing that we should control, immigration. And what was good for America 50 years ago isn't necessarily what's good for America

today. And we need to consider who we bring in and how many we bring in of who and whether or not they can be acculturated into the United States and become part of a common community here in America. And that's just that's real, that's smart, but mostly that's nuanced, true, an authentic, right there on the stage. And this is the type of thing that I will tell you, this resonates big with, well, let me put it, let me put a bum. This resonates with the rich white guys that I run into. You know, they love J.D. Vance. Now, what concerns me is a lot of these guys didn't love Donald Trump. So they love the intellectual argument of America First and MAGA presented by J.D. Vance.

The only thing that concerns me is that's not where Donald Trump built his base. So what does that mean for the future of J.D. Vance as president of the United States? Let's continue that conversation with Michael Knowles, the host of the Michael Nose show at The Daily Wire when we come back on Will Cain Country. Td Bank knows that running a small business is a journey, from startup to growing and managing your business. That's why they have a dedicated small business advice hub on their website to provide tips and insights on business banking to entrepreneurs.

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It is Will Cain Country. Streaming live at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, but you can always follow us on Spotify and Apple. Also there, you'll be able to find the Michael Nulls show at The Daily Wire, very, very popular digital podcast. And Michael Nulls joins us now. What's up, Michael? Good to be with you, sir. Thanks for having me. I'm glad to have you. You know, I think I want to talk to you about J.D. Vance and Ole Miss for a minute. It's, you know, I don't know, remarkable turnout at Ole Miss, right? Half the student body there.

Some of that for Charlie, some of that for Erica, some of that for Turning Point, some of that for JD. I mean, you have to assume some of that for the sitting vice president of the United States. And Michael, I want to just kind of explore this with you for a moment. That's a hell of a launching pad for Vance 2028. It is. Not that he really needs it, I think, in as much as he is clearly the heir apparent. The president on Air Force One the other day seemed to suggest that a Vance Rubio ticket would be unstoppable. I think he's done a great job leading on the right, especially among young people already.

But yes, I mean, look, J.D. Vance is the only figure. who I think can help keep together that amazing coalition that Charlie was so good at building and maintaining. And what he and Erica did last night at Ole Miss was just magnificent. You know, he did me an extra favor, which is he wrote probably half of my show today. I was just playing clips of him because what he did in a really smart, accessible way was he upended a lot of GOP orthodoxy. Or I should say, he returned GOP Orthodoxy back to what it used to be and back to where I think the base is. And that's true on matters of religion in public life. He articulated views much closer to those of the founders and the framers than anything we've heard from either party in probably 30 years.

He called for less immigration overall. That's where the base is. That's where the base has been for a long time. I don't see a lot of GOP politicians who talk that way. And he said, look, we need to be able to wield political power in a just way to fight the law. left. We can't be cowering and so afraid of the left and the notion that, you know, we can't do anything now because if the left gets into power, they'll give it to us twice as hard. They've already been doing it. They justified the assassination of a president. They tried to

imprison that president. They tried to kick him off the ballot. They've imprisoned pro-lifers and they've prosecuted nuns. And, you know, come on, guys. Let's not be afraid of these hypothetical problems. I thought the vice president was pitch perfect last night. And it's a great look at things ahead, I think, for 2028. The moment you're talking about was a moment where a student got up and asked him, aren't you worried about some of the things you're doing that if Democrats are ever back in power again, and they inevitably will be used against the right? And his line is that's what Republicans have always said, but we can't be afraid to use

power because what we've learned over the last 40 years is Democrats are going to do it anyway. It doesn't matter if we do it. They're going to do it anyway. And it was a really insightful and pointed moment. Here's the thing. I love the vice president. I think he's smart. I think he's philosophically grounded.

I think he's in touch with the most important issues. I know that the vice president is preoccupied with the idea of common community, America first, a cohesive vision of our society. To your point, it's not just illegal immigration. It's legal immigration that has to be. measured and weighed against all of those priorities. Here's what I want to explore with you. And this is taking what I like and what I think, Michael, and setting aside and just trying

to put on my analysis hat for a moment. And there's just something that's setting my antennas off a little bit. So, like, I was at this party this weekend, and all my buddies who are all conservative, they were just like, over the moon. This is before Ole Miss, over the moon about J.D. Vance, right? And I know why. These guys are accomplished. They're smart.

They're wealthy. and he makes a very good intellectual argument for everything that you and I have just laid out. Like he's stoop really smart and he can articulate it and he's strong. My only thing, Michael, is all of these guys that love JD were slow to liking Donald Trump. And by the way, that includes me. I'm in that group, okay? I wasn't overnight. I wasn't first on Donald Trump.

And I'm not sure those guys are representative of. of the American electorate. Now, when Michael Jordan retired, what nobody should do is look for the next Michael Jordan. They should look for the next greatest player there is, even if he's not Michael Jordan. And Donald Trump is Michael Jordan. So it's not fair to compare JD to Michael Jordan, right?

But Donald Trump didn't start with winning over the smart crowd. He started by winning over everyday Americans. And that's where I wonder, that's what I wonder, you know, does J.D. have that? Can he win over those everyday Americans? It's a great question because obviously Donald Trump is an American original. Any comparisons

with him are going to fall flat. Now, the Democrats don't have anything resembling a Donald Trump on their side. So, you know, we might be resetting to the norm in terms of running for office. I think J.D. does have an ability to connect with ordinary Americans

in as much as we all first heard his name or, you know, the public first heard his name because he published his memoir about growing up in a normal part of America with a lot of problems that normal Americans have faced, especially working class, especially in the so-called flyover parts of the country. That became a big bestseller, became a movie ultimately. And so, you know, he was not raised with a silver spoon, far from it. He worked himself up to get to the top law school in the country and into the Senate and then, you know, into the vice presidency. But yes, there's no question. He did.

does appeal to people who come at conservatism for maybe a more, I don't know, philosophical kind of angle, rather than the gut instincts of it. But I think this is why it's so important what happened on Air Force One the other day, because we're not starting from zero. You know, I think that whoever the next GOP nominee is,

most likely it's probably gonna be J.D. Vance, he is really running for Trump's third term, or fourth term, I guess, depending on how you score it. But it is clearly going to be an extension, of this massive upheaval on the right and so for instance if jd came out and he said answering on all all these questions on religion on immigration on neutrality in the law and everything if he came out and just sounded like a republican from 2014 you'd say hold up i don't want to go back to that you know trump changed

things and i want to keep going along with that jd has this amazing way of really articulating and pushing the ball down the field on on a lot of what trump has already done and so i think the fact that you've got trump saying look j d effectively is my heir apparent i hope he runs on a ticket with rubio who's the second most likely person to be the nominee and in that way you know then you kind of get the best of both worlds you get this new person who's not trying to be michael jordan he's his own guy but but you've got the imprimatur of trump and an extension of how things are going i think the vice president is very well positioned okay one more on this just to kind of think it out loud together.

First of all, you're right. About his biography, he is actually an everyday American, much more so than Donald Trump, right? Like, J.D. comes from the people that you and I are talking about that he needs to appeal to. And one would think, oh, therefore, definitely he connects. But I'm not sure biography is what always connects with Americans. I mean, Donald Trump's not connecting with those blue-collar workers

and those union workers because he comes from it. That's not how it happened. It happened in some other way for Donald Trump. And so that other way is what I'm kind of fascinated by, because there's another point I want to concede to you. J.D. has no competition on this front. Like Marco Rubio is not going to do that. No, there's no other Republican that I can see right now that has the ability to connect in a better way than J.D. Vance. I'm really only comparing him to Donald Trump, and that's not fair.

And there's nobody on the left that does either, by the way. Gavin Newsom can talk about coming up through the mean streets and bouncing a basketball while eating Wonderbread and mac and cheese. But that really ain't Gavin Newsom. And we all know it. So it's something else, Michael. And I think it's in style and presentation. And there's something more. And this came from a liberal writer, Brune Brown.

She's like a feminist self-help. But I think she's right on something. She said human beings connect through vulnerability. Vulnerability is how we connect with one another, not through perfection, right? So when we share our failings or we share our insecurities, a lot of times people connect to us through that, right? And I think that one can suffer from being too smart. George W. Bush's imperfection and his speaking ability became an asset that other people could see themselves having a beer with him at the bar, right? Donald Trump famously speaks like someone who is not fancy, right?

And therefore, you can connect to him. And at some point, like, J.D. being smart can actually become a liability. I know that sounds crazy, but I'm talking about how you connect to people. And so where is his vulnerability? It is in his biography, to your point, but you also want to see it in his, I don't know, in his humanity. You know where I see it because I think those are all excellent points. And you can go back even further on that, you know. Bill Clinton has talked about this.

you know that some of his foibles much publicized yes he they do allow him to connect with people and trump himself i remember there's a great great moment i think it was around st patty's day someone said are you going to have a beer and he said no i don't drink i'm the only president probably who's never had a beer it's the only good thing you can say about me imagine if i drank i'd be the worst you know is this great moment of humility i think where you see that with with vans who has this amazing story who pulled himself up from nothing and reached the heights of power and success. I think where you see it with Vance is a place where a lot of Americans are right now, and it's when it comes to religion. This is a guy who was raised without much

religion. It was kind of a jumbled religiosity, and he really dug into his faith. And, you know, he has the zeal of a convert because he is a convert. And we're at this moment right now where the new atheism that was fashionable in the 2000s, that's really fallen apart. And survey after survey showing the decline in religion has has leveled off people are looking back to uh the eternal questions again and i think there's something really jarring and refreshing about seeing an american politician pray pray in a way that's serious talk about i always grappled with religious questions kind of think out loud and not in a pandering way you know i don't think 10 years ago someone running for senate in ohio would say you know the easiest way for me to win an

election is to convert to um catholicism you know that's kind of an odd thing to do and i'm right-wing American politics. He did it because he felt called in that way. And when you hear him speaking about the church fathers, about religion, now he says, certainly since Charlie was murdered, he says, I am in no way reticent to speak about my faith and to speak about Christ. That, I think, is a vulnerability. Because, Will, for most of our lives, I think, speaking about religion got you labeled as kind of a dumb guy or kind of a rube or simple or something like that. And now I I think, as always, it actually is a mark of wisdom. But it's putting yourself out there a little bit in a way that rings really true and in an encouraging way to me.

Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. All right, Michael Knowles testified before the United States Senate this week talking about the rise of left-wing violence. And we wanted to play a few of those clips, Michael, and talk to you about it today. First of all, this is you talking about BLM. The Black Lives Matter riots overtly leftist demonstrations that left dozens of people dead and over a billion dollars worth of property damage. Likewise, those fail to show up on registers of left-wing political violence. Even an attack by Antifa that targeted me personally, as well as conservative college students for our political views, appeared in official records and data sets as nothing more than obstructing law enforcement.

It turns out the left commits relatively little political violence when you don't count the political violence that the left commits. So what you're laying out there, Michael, is we don't have it quantified. We just, we don't know the numbers. That's why we're left with, and there are terrible anecdotes, but we have the anecdotes. You remember Don Rumsfeld had that line that actually was a pretty insightful line, but he was made fun of for it. You know, there are known knowns and known unknowns and unknown unknowns. Well, this would be an example of something where we don't know the full scope of left-wing violence, but we do know that it is hidden in the data sets and in the federal records.

And we can know that because we know that the FBI and the DOJ have not tracked Antifa with any seriousness at all. We also do know that examples that we all saw with our own eyes of overt left-wing violence, the BLM riots, for instance, left dozens of people dead, billion dollars in property damage, They don't turn up. And I was actually there on the Hill to testify about one event in particular. I was doing a talk at a campus, University of Pittsburgh, Antifa threw an explosive, seriously injured a cop.

These were card-carrying Antifa operatives. It doesn't show up in the data sets of left-wing political violence. So we can know with certainty that instances of left-wing violence simply do not appear there. And I mean, I had a dozen or more examples in my Hill testimony. So why is that? Well, it's because the left recognizes that going back 100 years, going back to 1915, a left-wing Harvard professor blew up a Senate reception room, 1919, you had anarchist bombings targeting law enforcement, immigration restrictionist, businessmen, sound familiar, 1920,

you had the Wall Street bombing, 1960s, you had the weather underground blowing up parts of the Capitol, actually, then those people are given sine cures at universities. Not only are now really punished, they're given rewards for it. in the seventies in the eighties i mean this has been going on for a really really long time and so i think this is why the democrats largely boycotted my testimony on capital hill uh and the ones who did show up they came up briefly and then they ran out the door you know there was a a cori booker shaped hole in the wall before we could actually call him out for his uh his endorsement of j jones and virginia but i think the reason is they've told the american people

for years that political violence is a right-wing problem that is simply not true it's primarily a left-wing problem. Now they're trying to say it's both sides. It's not both sides. And we should solve this problem, but you're never going to solve a problem if you don't know where the problem lies. Right. Yeah, that is interesting. It went from just a right-wing problem to now both-sides problem. Before we get to the ultimate truth, we ought to acknowledge that right now it's a left-wing problem. I wanted to ask you about this, Michael. I did this yesterday on the Will Kane show at the Fox News Channel. It's notable because Bill Gates has put something like 3.5 billion, I think, into climate change initiatives and climate change companies.

And then now, very recently, here's what he's had to say about climate change. Climate is a super important problem. There's enough innovation here to avoid super bad outcomes. We won't achieve our best goal, the 1.5 or even the 2 degrees. And as we go about trying to minimize that, we have to frame it in terms of overall human welfare, not just everything should be solely for climate. Okay, so Michael, he goes on to say climate change is not, basically he admits, he doesn't use this word, but he admits, and I think this word is important, that climate change is not an existential threat to humanity. Yeah. Now, that's important. And I don't want to, you know, existential threat means it ends humanity. There are very few existential threats out there. There could be one on the horizon if that's a spaceship or a comet. We're going to find out in the coming days and weeks right now going around the backside of the sun. But he admits it's not an existential threat. And if he admits it's not an existential threat, then all the rhetoric of the left is totally undercut. And the idea that you have to tank the economy and do away with fossil fuels really now has no merit because it has to be measured to what is best for human, human continuation and human thriving.

And now that you've introduced, that's the real debate, right? That's really what would then there's, it's hard to land anywhere else than a full embrace of fossil fuels. Of course. And, you know, look, I'm glad that Bill Gates is admitting this. I don't think we should give him too much credit. He admitted this because he had to admit this. He had to admit this because the doomsday prophecies didn't come true.

They've been predicting this for decades. It hasn't happened. In some cases, very prominent people, like the King of England, for instance, said that the world already should have ended several years ago. It didn't happen. We're coming up on AOC's clock. I think in 2018, she said a dozen years, we're getting pretty close to that one. It's not happening.

And so they had to recalibrate. I saw I read Bill Gates's letter that he sent out. And he said, you know, there's a doomsday scenario that people predict that we're already so late and the world is going to end substantially, which you just described. described and he says but luckily that's not going to happen I said all that don't call that the doomsday scenario that's what the mainstream left has been predicting for my entire life and you know it just shows you that climate change was always primarily a political issue because it was perfectly placed on

the horizon not so far ahead that people didn't care about it not so close that people felt that they couldn't do anything about it was right in that perfect zone for manipulation the only thing that has changed is time has moved forward The predictions did not come true. And so what we're seeing right now is just a recalibration, but do not expect this issue to go away. Okay. I think you're partially right. I partially agree.

The predictions have been so continuously laughably wrong that at some point you would hope, okay, well, then someone has to admit to the obvious. Maybe that's what Bill Gates is doing. Or he needs fossil fuels. That's the other alternative here, right? Right. And that is that he, like every other big tech executive, is invested in AI and robotics, for that matter, which is going to need AI, all of which needs energy. And it has a bigger energy demand that is currently available. So you literally have to have everything on the table approach to energy.

And, of course, fossil fuels are our greatest producer of it. So you can't kill – you kill fossil fuels. You kill AI. You kill AI. You kill Bill Gates' vision of the future. whether or not that it's his own financial interest or he thinks AI and robotics are to the benefit of humanity. Either way, he has to now embrace all this energy. That's a great point. And it does it, I guess it's substantially goes to the same end,

which is they're tailoring the messaging toward the political ends that they're trying to achieve, whether that be, you know, hyperregulation or whether that be, you know, producing more energy for AI. But you saw this in the military, too, which is that when we were relative peace times we were fighting you know say wars of empire trying to you know be the world police then we had DEI in the military recruitment ads of cartoon little girls talking about how she learned to love America at her lesbian parents birthday party i mean i don't think i'm exaggerating at all it was an actual ad and then i noticed all of a sudden when there was a global conflict on the horizon when there was talk of nuclear war potentially with russia china in the south china sea and

Taiwan. All of a sudden, the recruitment ads, it was basically just Pete Hegsteth out there doing push-ups again. And I thought, you know, this is, this was even before the, the 2024 election. And I thought, oh, right. Now when things are really, rubber is meeting the road, all of a sudden, we kind of need GI Joe. This is not the time for social engineering in the military. Yeah. And by the way, we should just point out, like, advent or embrace of fossil fuels, total correlation. It is causation, but obvious correlation. Increase in lifespans, health outcomes, global GDP, everything. And so if you're about what's best for humanity, it's not close here. It's not even a, it's not a 51-49 proposition. It's a 99-1 proposition here.

Yes. Get rid of the windmills. It's been good for humanity. Yes, right. All right. Check him out at the Michael Null show at the Daily Wire. It's always good to talk to you, Michael. Thank you so much. Good to see you, man. Will, great to see you. Thanks for having me. All right. Coming up, the author of Cry Havoc and The Terminal List, Jack Carr, joins us next on Will Kane Country. I used to work at a gas station, and I was amazed how much food stamps was spent there on overpriced convenient junk food, says Baracho Bama on YouTube. Meanwhile, Cheryl Peterson says, not everyone abuses. food assistance. Many seniors where I live get help from a local food bank. I don't know how many

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It is the best-selling New York Times author of the Terminalist series, the creator of the hit series Terminal List, the host of Danger Close, the author of a brand new book Cry Havoc and former Navy SEAL sniper, Jack Carr. I got it all, Jack. It's getting long. It's a lot, man. You got it, but I'm hoping to add to it over the next few years here. A lot of projects on the horizon, so I'm fired up. And I got to say, so I saw you yesterday on Fox and you were all dressed up looking so good.

And I was watching you explain everything the climate change stuff. And I was like, man, do I need to dress it up a little bit? Tomorrow we're going on together. So I'm glad to see that you're dressed down here tonight, but you were looking sharp yesterday. And you're so good at what you do. I couldn't believe it. I mean, I've seen you before, but it's like, you're just amazing at how you do this. It's incredible.

Thank you. Well, that's formal will. That's dressed up will for TV. this is a real will you know wearing a it's cold in texas too so we both got our flannels on today uh wait a minute you go so here's what you got coming up i read you got a book on the pan am bombing coming up but you said plural so what else do we have what by the way i just finished in the past month um dark wolf really good loved it it also felt like it was season one so there's more seasons of that coming um so what else is coming yeah we'll see on that we have to wait uh there's some shake up at

so we're waiting to see what happens with the season two of Dark Wolf. We should get it, but you never know with these things. Anything can go off the rails at any given time, just like life in general. But season two, and then we have True Believer, which is my second novel. That should come out this summer. Nothing confirmed yet, but that stars Chris Pratt and that one we filmed in Morocco, Toronto, and South Africa. And the visuals are just stunning. Super fired up about that. But yeah, right after book tour for Cry Havoc, I went out to Syracuse University and met with the family. who lost loved ones on Pan Am 103 in 1988, just heartbreaking. So met with them, did some work in the archives, and that'll be the next targeted book, the nonfiction series, which focuses on different terrorist events and attempts to humanize those events because a lot of times when we see something so big like that, you just look at the numbers and then you switch to the next thing. But really to humanize these things, just like I did with Beirut, 1983, with James Scott, he's a historian and my co-author in the Beirut Targeted Series, trying to humanize these things

and capture the lessons at the same time so we don't have to relearn those lessons in blood later on. We can take those lessons and apply them going forward as wisdom. That's the hope anyway. Okay, I want to talk about cry havoc a little bit, but so once upon a time, Jack, and you've been on the show before, and we may have talked about this, but, you know, once upon a time I wanted to be a writer. So after law school, I wanted to do what you do in a way. You know, maybe not the same type of books, but after I finished law school, I moved to Montana, I lived on a ranch, I worked the ranch. It was a hunting outfitter. And I wrote. I wrote a novel. And when I was doing that, I got pretty enthralled with the process of writing and learning how other people do it. And I do

feel like I've asked you about this, but I'm not sure you're the answer. You're doing so much now. I was last night at a book event for Brett Bayer. Brett hosts a show. He's here in Dallas. He hosts a show on Fox News. And somebody said, what are you writing? Like how are you fitting this into your day? So I want to ask you this on two fronts. Because you're doing TV series. I know that you also have a ton of products that you're selling now, that you're doing a podcast, I think, three times a week. Just like on a day, Jack, when do you do your writing? Like, are you a guy that wakes up with a cup of coffee and starts the day creative? Are you a late night guy? It stays up all night writing. How does your rhythm work?

Well, I'm trying to get into a better rhythm. Up to this point, it's been very entrepreneurial in nature, meaning taking advantage of every opportunity that I can, saying yes, trying to adapt to an ever-changing environment, especially when it comes to publishing in Hollywood, a lot of changes in both of those industries right now. But the writing typically happens between 10 at night and 3, 4 in the morning, because that's the only time that no one is interrupting me. That's what I need, is uninterrupted writing time. And it's been that way from the beginning, from the first book when I was still in the SEAL teams in my last year and a half, started writing then in a little office off our bedroom. Same thing with three kids, wife, dog, chaos. That was the only time someone wasn't

interrupting me. And then it's similar today, even though the kids are older and there should be less interruptions with all the projects, there's more. And where we are in Park City, Utah, you get New York early and you get L.A. late. And so you're kind of not directly in the middle, but you're in the middle of the country enough to get those texts and those emails and to be thinking bandwidth-wise about who's trying to reach out to you. But between 10 and 2, 3, 4 in the morning, you know that no one is trying to reach out to you. The kids are all asleep in bed. one is safe and then I can focus totally on the writing. But as I get older, I'm going to need to switch that around, flip-flop that and get writing in the morning. That's just going to, not there

yet, but that's where I hope to get. Well, and also, I don't know, it'll be interesting. I want to talk to you when you try that, does your creative, you've obviously conditioned yourself. It's either natural or you've conditioned yourself to, I think there are only, I know for me there are rhythms to my day. I actually know when I think I'm smartest. Like, I think I'm smartest around 10, 11 a.m. My brain's firing on all cylinders in a way that isn't forced. But there are other parts of your day where you're kind of creative and you're a blank space and you can let your mind run. I'll be curious if you're conditioned to be that way at night at this point, if you can shift it to the morning. I'm going to have to decondition myself,

for sure. Are you, do you, are you a big, let's talk about your now how you, your process for a minute before we get to the, the newest novel. What about your process throughout the, year. So you're writing about a book a year right now. And I remember studying John Grisham. John Grisham does about a book a year. And I believe, if I remember this correctly, it's Grisham or another guy that spends the first six months of the year in research mode. So he's just reading and diving and outlining and bullet pointing and just story structuring. And then the final six months, he buries himself in a back cabin and writes. So how does that work for you on the rhythm? them throughout the year. Yeah, everyone has a different way of doing it. I just had Grisham on my

podcast and was asking him these same questions. And he gets up, has about three cups of coffee to fire himself up, goes out to a little barn that's just off the property there. So a separate structure. And he goes from like seven to noon, seven to one, something like that. And then he's off for the rest of the day, essentially. And that's how he's found his rhythm. And sometimes he does two books a year. So the kids must be out of the house to allow that maybe I'll get there at at some point here. But yeah, it's one book a year. And my plan is always to start like the first of the year, finished by June, turn it in for

the next year. It hasn't really worked out that way. It's crept to the right. But my processes remain the same from the first book onward. And I didn't really get it from anybody. It was just from reading my whole life and then applying common sense to how are you going to build out a book. And it started with the one page executive summary, a theme, and a title.

So I'm not worried about a title, and I'm not wasting any bandwidth on that. And then the theme, something that I can, every sentence, every paragraph can either directly or indirectly tie back to that theme to keep me on track. And then an executive summary that I write and I read and I say, is this worth the next year, year and a half of my life. And if the answer is yes, then I read it again and say if something similar to this was on the back of a book, as somebody's walking by Hudson News in the airport and they were to read this, would it be compelling enough for them to want to spend time in these pages that they're never going to get back? And if the answer is yes or probably, then that's the book. and I take that executive summary, turn it into the outline, and then into the narrative. And my plan was always to research, go to somewhere to research.

The first one, I picked places that I'd already been, like Afghanistan, places in the United States. For the second one, I also chose some places I already been. I'd been to Ukraine in the early 90s before I went in the military when I was just traveling around before I lost my freedoms in the military or what I thought would be a loss of Morocco, same trip I went there. So I knew those places. I remembered them, and they were so impactful on me. I could put them into the story without having to pay for flights and get there, but I did go to Mara, to America, sorry, to Mozambique and spent some time on the ground there

because that was going to be very important to that book. I also went to Kamchaka, Russia, for the third book, Savage Sun, and then for the fourth one, COVID hit. And so it was very difficult to travel during that time. Then I had Israel in the next two books, and even if you were an Israeli citizen, it was hard to get in and out of Israel when there were the remnants of COVID going on and those protocols in place. The research now takes place as I'm going, and I want to get back on some sort of a track where I can pick at least one place that I'm going to be talking about in the book, go there or revisit there, and then come back home and write away.

But at this point, it's been chaos. I'm writing all over the place constantly. And then for Cry Havoc, writing something through the lens of 1968 when this book takes place, that was a whole other adventure that I didn't anticipate at the outset. because when you write a contemporary thriller, you can just research as you go online. But 1968, and you have to write every single sentence through that lens, not just say people are listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival, it is 1968, and then essentially drop a contemporary thriller

into that time period. No, I wanted every single sentence to be through that lens. And what it was also, that took a lot more time, but what was freeing about that is that with a contemporary thriller, you have to think about facial recognition technology, cameras everywhere, GPS is in our iPhones, in our vehicles. And if you go back to 1968, you can really explore that old school spy craft and tradecraft and not have to think about satellites and facial recognition technology and

Teslas and iPhones and all the rest of it. And that was very freeing and very fun for what we do. But it took a lot more time. So now I'm in a year of trying to catch up and figure out this better schedule, which might include getting up earlier and starting to write in the morning. We'll see. So we're roughly the same age, Jack. You're a little older by one year, I think. Thank you. I appreciate that. I saw you're 51. I'm 50. I'm 50. No, but it also means that we grew up on, there's a huge New York Times profile on you right now, and everybody talks about what kind of consumer of content you were. And, you know, you and I've talked in the past, and I gathered that from you.

But we, I think that you and I kind of grew up with the same books in the same movies and the same influences through pop culture. By the way, did I see an interview with you and Charlie Sheen where you were telling him that Navy Seals? Yes. And by the way, Navy Seals almost made me a Navy SEAL. that sounds really, like, trite and simple, but, like, my buddies and I all watch Navy SEALs who were like, I think I think I need to be a Navy SEAL, you know, like, but you were telling him how that scene where he jumps off the bridge, right, is like the one that you guys would then recreate or something when you were going through Buds or living in Coronado?

Well, it was a buddy of mine who, unfortunately, was killed, and there's a book about him called Fearless by Eric Blem. It's an amazing book. It's the one that I recommend to people when they asked me what seal book to read, nonfiction. I always recommend that one because it's such an incredible story. But Adam in high school saw it was the preview for Navy Seals where it shows Charlie Sheen jumping off the back of a moving vehicle into the water on this bridge. And he did the same thing out of a Suzuki, buddy Suzuki samurai, middle of the night and does that.

And then after he was killed, then a bunch of the guys from his squadron all got together and did a jump off that bridge. And it's all detailed in that book, Fearless. But Navy SEALs was definitely an impactful film for those of us growing up. I mean, I was already on that path from a movie called The Frogman and then watching Magnum P.I. And in the first couple seasons, he was a naval intelligence guy. And I was always like, why is this naval intelligence guy running through the jungle in Tiger Stripes? And then they changed him after the writers found out about Navy SEALs.

Then they changed him to become a Navy SEAL. And he's wearing the Trident after that. There were some lines in Brotherhood of the Rose by David Morell, who created Rambo back in 1972 with First Blood. But there's an espionage thriller that he started in the mid-8. He's called Brotherhood of the Rose. Then there's Fraternity of the Stone and the League of Night and Fog. It's a trilogy,

and it talks about Navy Seals in there, which confirmed that I was on the right path. And then when the casting for Navy Seals came down, when I saw it was Michael Bean from Terminator and Charlie Sheen from Platoon in this thing, I thought that had to be the best casting ever, and I was there opening night. Actually, before opening night,

there was a pre-screening that I went to back in high school. But it was a very impactful film. I was a big Magnum fan as well. I should say my dad was a big Magnum fan. My dad looked like Magnum. He had the 1980s mustache, you know, the perfectly not over the corners of your mouth mustache, but all the way to the edge. He actually had a Ferrari.

Oh, in small town, Texas. Yes, he had a Ferrari. Yeah, I think my dad wanted to be Magnum. I think he did. But I had forgotten that Magnum was a Navy SEAL. But here's what I, this pop culture. One place that you went with your interest that I never went, because I remember you telling me about this, is how much you loved the old.

novels about military thrillers. And I follow you on social media. I know you're super into the, that there's an artist and cover art for these books that it all harkens back to these 1960s, advent of the Navy SEAL sort of deal. And this is what you've done now with cry havoc. You've gone back to that era, which has been a big part of your inspiration. That's right. I seated it very early in the first novel and the terminal list. I wanted to add some characters in there that would be interesting for me to write about and for readers and listeners now to read about and listen to. So the first one is the father of James Rees, my protagonist in the Terminalist series, his dad, 1968, Vietnam, Mac V. Saug, going into Laos,

but really an espionage thriller dropped into that year, which was the bloodiest year of the war for the United States. But I wanted to drop those in earlier, so early on so that I wouldn't just get to book 6, 7, 8, 9, and then all of a sudden say, hey, I should have talked about this guy's father and grandfather so I could have written about it, but now I can. That might seem a little odd. So I wanted to make sure that I did that and talked about the back, because we're all influenced by the people who raised us and the people who raised them. So I find the generational impact of people's experiences fascinating. And also Tom Clancy, of course, in the early 90s, does without remorse. And he had this character, John Clark, John Kelly, that he had had more minor roles

in his earlier novels. And then we get the origin story in the early 90s without remorse. And I was so excited about that because John Clark, John Kelly is a Navy SEAL Vietnam. And so we get this espionage action thriller from Tom Clancy in the early 90s. So I'm sure that was influential to me as well. Jack, by the way, my producer, Ed, just said, this is the Terminalist guy? Yeah, welcome to the party here, Ed. Yes. Jack, right? Yes. Yeah, no, now, yeah. Now you love him. Yes, Jack, right, all of that, Terminalist. Jack, have you always been a gear guy? Like, I'm not a gear guy.

I like to hunt, right? What's that? Well before the military. Just growing up, I was always a gear guy. Well before. It comes from the, once again, the influence of popular culture, probably from the James Bond movies and the gadgets.

Maybe that kicked it off. I've never thought about that until this very second. But I've always been a gear guy. I actually have an old tutor submariner right here from 1968 on my on my wrist right there and I surrounded myself in writing this book actually if you'd come into my office in uh over the last year at any given point in time you would have thought that i was getting ready to invade north vietnam because i had maps from the 60s all over the push tacks in there a car 15 rifle in the corner of browning high power a randle knife multiple

seco watches manuals that the army would give special forces guys before we're going in country back in the 60s old national geographics i had all of that stuff all over to immerse myself in period of time. But always been a gear guy. And then of course it becomes much more to use to find any gear you possibly can be going to give you an advantage on the battlefield. So I did that in the SEAL teams as well and that continues today. So what I've gathered that the more of you guys I've gotten to know a lot of a lot of the SEALs I've got know they all a lot of more gear guys and I'm not a gear guy never have been. Like I that's one of things not that I'm a big surfer.

I just got back from surfing Jack in Waco, Texas. So it's on my mind. But one of the I love about surfing is how little gear there is to it versus, say, snow skiing. I'm just not a big, I don't like carrying all the damn skis and boots and wearing all the stuff. But I get it for the edge on the battlefield thing. So here's, but I'm going somewhere with this gear thing. Writing a story about seals in the 1960s, I'm sure that they had a tactical gear advantage over the enemy. And this is something that people love about your books. I've read this.

This is also in the New York Times. People love the minutia of detail that you bring into your books, you know, the optics, every single thing you're putting into describing the action events. When you go back, do you find, like, there's a little more Wild Wild West to those seals where it's less technical? it's less about all of that gear. I know not completely. Blake, if you and I go back to and write a Wild West story, right, which I love that too,

the Texas Rangers definitely had a tactical gear advantage over the Native Americans. They had the six-shooter. But it's pretty simple, the advantage. It's not complex. I'm curious if that simplicity, as you rewind the time, is appealing to you in a way and kind of seeing how those guys operated in the 60s versus the super soldiers you guys are becoming today. Yeah, it really was for multiple reasons. But one, I wanted to honor those guys who went downrange, who stood up and went to Vietnam as a whole.

And then specifically the MACVSA guys who got to test out a lot of gear. They were using stuff, old OSS stuff, SOE stuff that wasn't available to the regular military. And they were also going into denied areas, namely Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam, where for the first few years, they couldn't even have anything that would give them away as Americans, I mean overtly, meaning that they, They couldn't have anything that said made in the USA on a tag or anything like that. So going back to that time, being able to talk to these guys who did that. I read their autobiographies. I had them on the podcast.

I texted them, emailed them, called them as I was writing this book to try to make sure I got the gear right. But then it evolved also from the beginning of the war towards the end. And so you had different tactics, techniques, and procedures changing along that way. But also, just like today, when we're going up against the, that, anyway, that I did in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're pretty heavy compared to those guys. Same thing in Vietnam. These guys were going in pretty heavy when they were going in for a few days or preparing to go in for a few days into Laos, Cambodia. And same thing with us. Our enemy had an AK and a chest rig with a bunch of extra mags, and that's about it. Meanwhile, we have

all that body armor, the helmets. And we do have that technical advantage with the with nods and lasers and that sort of a thing. And I take that over what the enemy has, but they can, they can maneuver. They can move a little bit faster than we can. And similar in Vietnam, those guys that they were going up against were a little lighter and more maneuverable because our guys were weighed down just a little bit more, not as much as we got to you later with body armor and everything else. But I'll tell you what, the radios are very similar. And I think that's because somebody in Congress has a deal with the battery maker and they build these radios around the batteries, the 55-90s. I can't prove that. I'm just guessing because the size is the same,

although our radios today do a lot more. But I wouldn't be surprised. One more question. So this guy, in Cry Havoc, you said it's set in 68. You're talking about first generation seals, right? I mean, didn't the seals start under JFK? And you're talking about what year? Did the seal start? 64, 65?

The first two teams were commissioned in 1962. They were already in the process of being commissioned before Kennedy, but he came about under Kennedy. He also authorized the Green Beret for the Army Special Forces. So he was a big proponent of special operations, knowing that the wars of the future were going to be a little bit different than his war in World War II. We're going to be terrorists, assassins, insurgents. He has a very famous speech from American University where he outlines all of these things. But the pre-related precursors of our seals are back in World War II with the naval combat demolition units.

Those morph into the underwater demolition teams. And then for a while, from the early 60s up to the early 80s, we have both the UDTs and. the SEAL teams. But Vietnam in general was a watershed moment in special operations history, both for SEALs and for Army Special Forces specifically. And essentially, we lived off their reputation up until September 11, 2001. Right. Okay. And in your research then, what's the biggest difference you picked up from that generation to this generation? Maybe not just SEALs to your point of Army Special Forces as well. When these guys were first generation, with their precursors dating back to World War II versus where we are today.

What's the biggest difference? Two things. One similarity, one difference. The similarity is that the guy who's driven and drawn towards testing themselves in seal training or at the Q-course for Army Special Forces or Army Rangers, Ranger School, whatever it might be, that's the same person. They're drawn to test themselves in some sort of a crucible and then serve their country in uniform with the expectation of going to war and to be thus prepared.

as they possibly can to go to war. So that remains the same. The biggest difference is we would probably be court-martialed today for the planning that, not that went into these operations, but the amount of support that was available to these guys. Like you leave base today without air cover and without all these other things in place, you would probably get court-martialed. Back then, they were just gone.

They were just off-the-radar in Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam. They were not in constant communications. there was not an ISR asset overhead that you could see what everybody was doing on the battlefield. They were on their own. And typically it was two Americans, 6, 7, 8, depending on makeup of the team.

Montan Yard tribesmen, Nungs, however that team was made up. But it was two Americans and a few guys that were indigenous people. And off you went into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam with a mission of either surveilling the Hocci Men Trail, blowing up

enemy cash, and placing a sensor or a listening device, and most of the time getting compromised. It was the Wild West as far as that goes for sure. So a similarity and a difference. Well, that's what he's explored with Cry Havoc, his brand new novel, out, October 7th. If you haven't watched Dark Wolf, it's up on Amazon. It's on Amazon Prime, right? Amazon Prime. Yep, Prime video.

I've watched it. Yep. Yep. And, of course, Terminal List. And much, much more coming out. Always love talking to you, Jack. I'd love to see that office in Park City someday. So we'll check out all that gear.

Come on out. We can try the skiing thing. I know I recommend people go to the beach. Although you do have to worry about sharks in that case. No sharks. All right, man, good to see. Best of luck with everything. Jack Carr, thank you.

All right, there you goes, Jack Carr. Before we go today, let's do a quick final take. Let's bring in Tinfoil Pat, two a days, Dan. how about Ed realizing halfway through Wait a minute, wait a minute This is the guy that wrote Terminalist Yeah, Jack Carr That's him right there

This is why I do the booking No doi I told him I love Dark Wolf Okay, what do you have for me today You told him Yeah, offline, yeah It's like, oh-Wolf was good It's so good

Dude Taylor Kitch is awesome Yeah I like the South African dude too Yeah badass um okay Patrick yes back at the plate

quick takes and final takes in one day can he do it hit the sounder dan final takes consider me the Toronto Blue Jays because I'm about to hit this one out of the park here so here we go we have cracker barrel gets into the

White House renovation game with this tweet hey maybe you don't want cracker barrel we're involved in a renovation do we have that tweet yeah it's up on the screen right now yeah it's up yeah

it's the east wing it's the new east wing of the White House shaped like a cracker barrel four parking spots I've never been to Cracker Barrel is it good you never been to Cracker Barrel Really? No we don't have that in Connecticut I don't think.

I don't know. What I love about Cracker Barrel. Yes. I know we're all supposed to kick Cracker Barrel in the nuts right now, but yeah. I just wanted you guys to say that. That was my goal. No, it's good southern food. Dan, do you like biscuits and gravy?

I haven't had much of it in my life, but I do like it when I've had it. Okay. I think that's a good tester. I'm not saying you order it all the time. I don't order it all the time. But when I have. biscuits and gravy. I love biscuits and gravy, and you're reminded how good it is.

What is grits? And then you tell yourself, I'm too old to be eating this all the time. It's like corn. It's that vein of food. You know what I mean? Chicken fried steak. Biscuits and gravy. Biscuits and honey.

What is chicken fried steak? You fry the steak. I quit this show. I've done. What is that? I've never heard of it. I feel like I need a whole new staff. A whole new staff was from scratch. I know what it is. What is chicken fried steak?

Oh, what did I do? Dan, you've got a room of people in Texas. Black, Latino, white, all going, who is this person? Herman, you know chicken fried steak. Wait, you fried steak and chicken? Apoplectic here. Is it like a turdecken? Is that Connerson behind you?

Who's that behind you? Jack, who is that? Connor. Do you know what chicken fried steak is? He's from Westchester. He's never heard of it. He's from Connecticut, too. We don't do that in Connecticut.

We have lobster, and we have, you know, oysters and crab. That's what we do up here in Connecticut. They're eating the bugs. You, Dan, Dan, you are uncultured. You are provincial. Because I've had something called chicken fried stink. You are not well-traveled. This is the northeastern.

You guys think that you're the center of the universe and you are the most culture. Meanwhile, everybody in this show knows what a lobster roll is. We don't have lobster rolls here. Not much. I don't know where you find them. Imitation lobster. We know what they are, but you don't know what a chicken fried steak is. Can you explain it to me, please, finally?

I have no idea what we're talking about. Chicken fried steak. It's a pounded out steak. It's not ground beef. But it's beef. Like, you know, use a mallet. Yeah, it's beef. Yeah, it's probably like a flank steak that you pound out to tenderize it.

Then you deep fry. it like you would chicken so it's got batter you know it's usually served with mashed potatoes and cream gravy the way I did it growing up you pile it all on top of it still haven't explained what it is though mashed potatoes and the gravy on top of the chicken fried steak and get it all in one bite and if you're feeling fancy you might dip it in the corn too so you get all of it one bite because because the corn will stick to the mashed potatoes am I right look Latino black why we all did it the same I can feel my arteries clogging we're still A lot of fun.

Yeah, that's why you can't eat that much anymore. But what is it? What do you cook it in chicken grease? Yeah, in grease. No, it's a deep fried. It's a deep fried steak. It's a deep fried steak. What's the chicken part?

Yeah, that's why it's called chicken fried. Well, it's just chicken fried. That's the batter. It makes zero sense. You know, like, it's what it's called. Some people call it country fried steak. I never like that. Yeah, I like chicken fried.

I wonder where I can find it up here. Then you can order chicken fried steak. Then you can order chicken fried steak. chicken which is kind of weird but yeah chicken fried chicken is the same thing you guys do some weird stuff down there basically you need to come back and now we'll get some real

show me some real have you had good do you know what chimichanga is yes of course I know what chimichonga is that's Mexican food though so Mexican culture has made its way to Connecticut oh yeah Mexican culture is huge up here we have great Mexican

restaurants up here. Jimmy Tongue that says something. It says something done it, Herman. Oh, you're figuring it out. Yeah, I think that's a whole other topic about immigration. We have great barbecue up here, though.

We have great barbecue. Yeah, ICE is going to be in my town. All right, I don't know how we got on chicken fried's sake. I think off of Cracker Barrel, but we got work to do with you, Connecticut boys. All right, you got one more, tin foil pap. We've got one last one.

Now, this weekend is daylight savings time. We are falling back. I don't know what that means. Huh? Saving time. So we're going into savings time? It's saving time. We are going into saving time.

When the spring, we will be springing forward. But what I do know is that 94% of Americans hate the idea of springing forward. back any of this stuff. But they're completely divided over which one we stick with. The Senate just had a vote on this. And I believe one of the senators who's been on our show before, he fought against daylight savings time being permanent. Saving. But 54% do not like it. They sided with him. Do you keep correcting him because he's throwing an S on the saving? Yes, because it's incorrect. It's the wrong way to speak. First daylight saving time. You know, I know what a chicken fries.

It's a part of an adjective. I say savings, too. It's saving. It's saving. You save time. So I'm always confused. And Patrick is too. So we're falling back this weekend.

That means we're moving into daylight saving time. That's the winter part. That's the daylight saving time. And the other part that we're leaving behind is called, what, standard time? Standard. Right? That sounds right. Nobody understands it.

That's the point. Nobody understands this stuff. We don't know what's what. We're not stupid here. We're all stupid. We don't get it. And that's why we all hate it. We hate it.

And all we want is as much light as possible. And I would say 75% of us want it as late in the day as possible. We're coming out of daylight. Nobody wants to go home from work. We're coming out of it now? Yes. Here's what we want. Can we all agree?

Everybody in the comments, everybody on the show. Do we agree? My proposition is 75% of America wants this. It comes with a price, and I get the price. We want it to be light as late as possible. We don't want to leave work at 5 or 5.30 and have it be dark. That's depressing, and we don't want that. So we need daylight hours in the evening. I understand that means we're going to have it be dark in the morning, which I don't like. I get up at six. I go to the gym. I like it to be. I like it to be be light when I come out of the gym. When it's still dark, I'm like, God.

Don't you feel like you have the whole day ahead of you? Like, it's dark still. You know, you should have so much more time. You know, it just feels like you got something accomplished if it's still dark. You don't actually have the time back. I know. It's not actually saving any time. But it feels like it.

We're just manipulating. Yeah, we're manipulating it. It's the passage of time, like Kamala says. Did you move your patch to the other eye? Yeah, you did. Your patches now on the other eye and your open eye looks close. I thought he mirrored his camera. Maybe you realized Jay's, it was Jay's other eye.

No, no, no, I had the right eye, but I was doing a little, an old Brooks joke, so anyway. He's thought about this for months. All right, Dan, you asked the Willisha, what did they say? And the thing is, I don't even know how you would ask this question, because nobody knows what you're saying when you say, do you like daylight saving time? So we are about to leave it. It's from spring to fall is daylight saving time. We're about to come out and go into standard time.

So I ask the audience, should we keep daylight saving time? And 35% of the audience said, yes, we should keep it. And 65% said, no, we should do away with it. So I think they all disagree with you. No, but it sounds like they disagree. But I don't think they know what they're saying. I don't think the people know what they're saying. They're smarter than us.

They are smart than us. First of all, it's the framing of your question, too. I think people don't like the change. They want, first of all, I think everybody wants it to be uniform throughout the year. Stop changing, okay? Yeah, I think. And when you ask people, do you want to keep daylight saving time? They're answering often, I don't want the fallback spring forward thing.

Okay, I think on that, we've got, I'm going to say we also have 75% on that. But once you cross that bridge, then you have to say, well, what do you want to do? Do you want it to be daylight saving time year around? Leave it. Or do you want standard time year around? Standard is standard. And my argument is I won't, forget the words, the branding of this thing. That's government branding.

I want it late in the evening, which is daylight saving time. And I want that year around. So I want what we have in the summer to be there in December. Now, I know the sun will still set earlier, like it will still set earlier, but it will not be 5 o'clock. It'll be dark till 9 a.m. 6 o'clock. And then that will be standard. I don't know about 9 a.m.

Pretty damn close. I don't know. I mean, I do love June. I love the summer solstice when it's like still light out at like 920. That's fantastic. I love that. Up there in Connecticut, it's dang near 10 o'clock before. It's almost 10 o'clock.

Yeah, it's crazy. Is it different down there? Man, I'm stupid. Yeah, it's different down here. Oh, it is. Sorry, chicken fried steak and different light, you know. And by the way, in the winter, we'll have more sunlight than you. So you'll get dark earlier than us.

We'll have, even amidst this time change fall back. Yeah. Like up there, you're going to get dark. You might get dark at 4.30, right? Oh, yeah. What time will we get dark? I walk out of work at like 5.45 maybe, and it's pretty much dark now. Yeah.

Yeah, and come January, I'm telling you, I think it's 445. It's dark. Big time. It's depressing as hell. We'll be 536 here, right, in the winter. Do you think you get off of four. That was incredibly, this has all been incredibly confusing. This has all been a big.

My head is swimming. I still don't know what chicken fries. nothing. I apologize to everyone for listening. This is a mess. And we hope you can sort it out in the comment section of the Willitsha. All right, that's going to do it for us today. We'll be back for a Canon Sports Edition tomorrow. Maybe I'll update you on my surfing trip to Waco. Make sure you download us on Spotify and Apple. We'll see you again next time. Listen to ad free with a Fox News Podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast. And Amazon Prime members, You can listen to this show, ad-free, on the Amazon Music app.