Will Cain Country - What the Fauci Hearings REALLY Revealed (ft. Vince August & Jackson Thompson)

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Dr. Anthony Fauci pled "the Fifth" over 100 times during his recent hearing and his legal team may have made a massive mistake. Comedian and former judge Vince August steps in as guest host to dissect where it all went wrong, and share the legal advice he would’ve given instead. Vince and The Crew also run through the ultimate list of what never to do if you're suspected of a DUI, inspired by Tony Romo’s viral traffic stop.Plus, FOX News Digital Sports Reporter Jackson Thompson joins the show to unpack two insane stories out of the WNBA: Seattle Storm co-owner Celeste Keaton’s suspension after harassing two teenage fans of Sophie Cunningham, and the league quietly scrubbing a video that caught players blatantly violating gambling rules.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Will Kane Country, Vince August, sitting in for him, as Will Kane calls me, Vince, Vince August. And for everyone, he is still on vacation. We want to respect Will's time on vacation. And he didn't tell us where he's going. So please, whatever you do, fans at home, don't start posting picks of Will at various vacation spots around the world. don't start posting AI images of Will at like, you know, Magic Kingdom or Will down on Bourbon Street or in Hawaii. We don't want anyone putting those pictures on X or Facebook or on this page. We want to respect this time away.

So please refrain, you know, Will on a roller coaster. Yeah, please don't do that. We want to respect this time away. We'll enjoy your vacation wherever you are that you won't share with us. And we're not going to make fun of it in any way, shape, or form or put you anywhere. joining us. We have the panel. What's up? Double session, Dan. We have paranoid Pat. I'm going to call you my names today.

Those are good alternative nicknames. We're going to go with the alternative nicknames. Guys, wow, yesterday. I mean, newsday, we're going to try to fit it all in. We're hit on the Fauci stuff. I want to hit on in a different way. I think there was a different winner yesterday, and I think there were different losers yesterday

in terms of how it played out. I mean, I think everybody saw the hearing or at least saw clips of it in case you missed it. Dan, why don't we play a clip in case people missed it? Need a few, three, four, question, did you?

A secret document that I think you need to say. There you go. That was it. Pretty spot on. Yeah, that was Fauci. Live looking. Yeah, live looking in case you missed it. A lot of people didn't get the feed.

That was it. Wow. Listen, some people, surprised other people, not surprised. I think the key legal issues for us to cover here. And listen, I'll throw on my lawyer hat, I'll throw on my judge hat. I think the first one is whether or not he was permitted to plead the fifth. And we've been talking about this all morning in terms of what the pardon was for. And we were kind of debating this back and forth before we came on. So in a nutshell, the pardon, assuming that the pardon is legit, let's let's not get into the

auto pen and all that. Let's assume it's a legit pardon for argument purposes. it covers him from 2014 to the date of the pardon. That means anything he did during that time. His actions. His actions. During that time, he is pardoned. He can't be prosecuted federally. Whether or not it could be brought up by a state is a different question.

But let's assume he's pardoned. All right. So then do his lawyers give him the right advice with regards to pleading the fifth? my legal analysis, and if I'm wrong, please tell me in the comments, quote whatever part of the Constitution. You think I'm getting wrong. Send me the case law that you think I'm getting wrong. Maybe I'm missing on this, but it's my understanding that pleading the fifth is not appropriate in that circumstance because he is covered. I think what Rand Paul was trying to do was get him on the perjury, was get him on the difference between what was in his diary,

what he said in front of Congress, which is a different crime. Different crime, right. I've been here 200 times. I've testified numerous times, and you send him to Paul or a moron, all of that, all of those times that he did that thing. Right.

All right. If he can show, if Paul can show that he makes different statements, then there's the perjury. The other thing is, well, look, your diary says this, and you told us something different. when you came and testified in front of this, which is the lie? If he gets him to admit yesterday, look, this, all right, fine, I misled you that time.

Then that's where he's got him on a perjury. And that's a new count because he perches himself in front of Congress as of yesterday. So that's not potentially covered by any of the pardon. And they want to prove that it contradicted himself so he was actually lying. Because right now, there's no proof that he was lying. Like, we could say all we want about it. But he was pardoned, and there's no proof that he was. So if he did perjure himself, then they got him there.

So in my opinion, my legal analysis, I think the advice he got from his counsel with regards to that was wrong. In fact, I have a witness. Dan, who's my, show what my witness thinks about what that advice was. No. The defense is wrong. There it is. There it is. In a nutshell, okay? If you don't believe Mercia Tomei, I don't know who else you're going to believe. I had to throw in my cousin Vinnie, Cliff. Come on. Yeah, Vinnie, the lawyer judge. How can we not do that? Yeah. Yeah, so I think the lawyers kind of led him along the wrong path. What he could have done, and Pat jump in here, what he could have done was say, look, what's in my diary were my personal reflections when I had time to think about it and I came here and testified before you, that.

That was what is the truth. So you know what? Whatever questions answered me today, whatever answer I gave you the last time, that's the same answer. Do you think that that Rand Paul jumped the gun a little bit by releasing the documents or the diary so early so that then he just goes into plead the fifth instead of like getting caught in the web? Yeah. So what he could have done is rather than release it publicly, he could have released it to the attorneys. He could have released it directly to Dr. Fauci. could have released it to everybody on the panel on that committee and said, here's what I found.

So you know what? Look, this is what you're going to be asked about. I think when he released it publicly, I think the embarrassment and I think it being out there painted the defense attorneys into a position of, look, I don't know that you can dance around these answers. I don't know that you could dance around this the right way. So maybe the best path for you is to not get tripped. ripped up. And I think the fear was that he was going to, because there's so many inconsistencies that he, how do you get around? There's so much minutia in this whole thing. I mean, it's, it's almost an impossibility to remember exactly everything. Well, that's the other thing.

Look, and again, if I'm going to put on his defense attorney had, I'm going to say, look, remember what was going on at the time. Remember how fast the information was coming out. Insane. Right. Every week, it was a new rule. It was a new this, a new that. You know, what, we were trying to work as fast as we could. So what I wrote down in my notes, maybe that morning by the afternoon, you know what? I had new information. I changed it. What I told you was what it was. Yeah. Yeah, so that's how I would have prepped him as a defense. By the way, here's the other thing. If you show up for a hearing and you bring six attorneys like John Gotti to a hearing, bad optics. And it doesn't seem like they were the best team, no? I mean, this is a huge deal.

They would get someone with a little more sense in this exact scenario. Well, again, and we talked about this last time I was on the show, I think. It's cameras in the courtroom, cameras in Congress. You know, the attorney went for his grandstand moment. His mic was off. He didn't get it other than for the people in the room. Got kicked out. So did he get his moment?

I guess. You know, I guess he got his moment. So that was a selfish moment for the lawyer. 100%. That's insane to me. I mean, because it'll get you business if you do well there with Dr. Fauci. You know? Yeah, business with who?

You know? Because in the end, I mean, again, we're going to get to who the real winner was. You know, here's the thing that blows my mind with that hearing. If put aside the political parties for a second, if you're a Democrat, how do you read the diary entries? How do you see what he said in past times and not say, man, I got questions here, you know. But see, the funny thing is you said Democrat, right? Right. The whole COVID thing should have been a nonpartisan thing. But it somehow turned into Democrats versus Republicans.

Always. Like some people were like, COVID's not that bad. We shouldn't get the vaccine. That's Republican. Democrats are like, we need to wear masks and do all this. That's Democrat. Like, it's just, it's so wild that it just instantly turned into that. And we still do it.

I mean, I do it all the time when talking about it. But it just shouldn't be that way. It should be, hey, we're all humans and Americans. and we've got to figure this out. And I think Federman got it, right? Federman was like, hey, yeah, I think he was the perfect middle ground here. Yeah. And listen, just for the audience at home to know, too, I showed you guys my voter registration card.

What does it say, guys? Tea Party, no, okay. Unaffiliated. Unaffiliated. Unaffiliated. Yeah, I don't wear either hat. I don't claim to be a libertarian and independent. I consider myself to be an American.

I come at this with American goggles. And I want what's best for the country at all times. And we all do. I would hope. I mean, some people have agendas, obviously. I mean, but. I mean, didn't you guys see comments all over X and all the different social media platforms last night? This was either you're defending Fauci or you wanted a Mia Coppa from Fauci or something from Fauci.

And it was, well, why? I don't understand why it can't be too truth. Why can't it be? Look, man, this guy did great work for, for maybe 40 of the 50 years he was there, then got caught up in this. Clearly his diary shows he got caught up in the fame, got caught up in the moment.

The power went to his head, and he started coming up with stuff, and you know what? He was way out over his skis. At the minimum, at the minimum, if you're trying to defend this guy, that should be the defense. But I can't see anyone not looking at some of the interests,

unless you're just going to ignore it and do it like Jamie Raskin does. Sure. What did you hear about Grand Platinum? Who's Grand Planner? I don't know what that is. Why? What was said?

And just be like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. You know, I didn't see any diary. Where is this diary? Ah, who put it out? Rampo? Ah, you believe that. No, look, it's his diary. We know it's his diary.

He went from, there's a point, was it, 0.02 to 0.04% chance that this thing results in fatality to 2, 3%, which is a huge difference. Don't you want to know that? And the six foot thing was completely made up. Made up. I mean, it was in every store, every line. I still see them. They're still there on the ground.

I still love the one. Speaking of stores, so like a place like Publix here, they literally would have aisles where you could walk north or south. And like if you went the wrong way in an aisle, you were, you know, ostracized. I mean, listen, and here's like there was one thing that really upset me during the afternoon. math of this was when I saw, I think it was Rachel Maydow, came out and made a huge point of the vaccine. The virus goes person to person to person. That messaging was wrong. Right. So it gets to a person who's vaccinated and it stops. Now, you can't spread it. Right. Stop the spread. Here's what I want to hear from Rachel Maynard out. Here's what I want to hear

for all the people that said that. Okay. I don't want to hear an apology. What I want to hear is who told you that? That's all I want to hear. know. Who told you that? Internal emails. Right. Whoever told you that, obviously got it from somewhere or came up with it. Where did that come from? Because that was, without a doubt, now we could say a lie. Yeah. I mean, the other thing, whatever you believe about vaccines, we personally take them, don't. It's fine. But like, they do help certain people and certain things. And yes, there are companies that want to sell them. Like Pfizer and all these companies, sure. They do. But to just like push this, they marketed it wrong by saying that everyone needs to take it, do your part. If you don't, you're a POS and everyone should hate you. And I get that. And people don't like, it's a human nature not, you don't want to be told what to do. Right. Like no one wants to be told what to do, especially by their government. And if you tell somebody the truth, listen, this is what this vaccine will actually do. If you get COVID, it could help you from die.

Yeah, from getting really sick. And at that point, it's a personal choice. Now, at that point, if people want to take it, they can take it. If they don't want to... But this notion of if you don't take it, you're killing me was a lie. And the biggest lie of this whole thing, then at that point, where did that come from? We still don't have that answer to this day. And me and Dan, we showed a clip.

I don't know if you saw this, Pat. Well, I think all people wanted yesterday was a mea culpa of some sort. And for those of you that remember back in the day, there was Dr. Berks used to come out. She was the women. She wore a different scarf every day. That's what I remember most about it. She must have had 700 scarves wore a different scarf. She was actually interviewed yesterday.

The reporter tried to trip her up, and I loved her response. Dan, do we have that? It was said today many times by Republicans, or implied, rather, that Dr. Fauci was a villain or a monster or someone who had some reckoning to. come to because of all the mistakes he made and he foisted on the American public. I'd like your evaluation of that line of criticism. I think all of us need to be quite honest with ourselves about how the, not only the information evolved, but the needs for the relevant, what we call countermeasures, should have also

evolved. What do I mean by that? When this first hit, we didn't have enough testing out there. We couldn't stop the spread in any way. were being overrun. We didn't have a supply chain that matched the need. And so the first... There it is.

She gave the answer that we were talking about this morning. We wound up seeing that afterward, which is she doesn't run to defend Dr. Fauci. She doesn't say, look, it was wrong. She doesn't have time. She doesn't say that. She literally says, look, we all have to look in ourselves and see what we did.

And then what does she follow up with? Look, we have overrun hospitals. We were trying to work really fast. We were panicked. And in our panic, did we make mistakes? to try to do what we thought at that point was the safest measure. Yeah, looking back, was it wrong? I think we've got to do a post-mortem and say, we screwed some things up.

I think that's what most people want. What do you think should happen? Say Fauci, say yes. He was like, you know what? I may have not told the truth. Do you think jail time? Do you think other people should go down? Do you think, you know, I mean, Florida is launching an investigation into Fauci right now.

Right. So look, in the end, you know, what do you do with this? 85-year-old guy. Sure. I mean, do you want to put him in jail? Do you want to take away the millions of dollars in grants? What is the proper sentence for something like that? For me, I think the big thing is, you shouldn't have profited from it more than anything

else. Look, I don't know that I need Anthony Fauci off the streets and incarcerated in terms of keeping public safe. That's what I deem jail time for. For people, this is a public menace. Or we've got to punish this guy to the point where we'll make sure no one does it again. I think what the people want. Some people in the chat is like this person, Sarah Jordan,

said that's what I want them to admit. I think more than jail time, more than anything, they just want to hear Fauci and people who are involved in this say, you know what, you guys were kind of right. We were wrong. We forced this on you. And they can get that satisfaction. They want to hear that.

And they should get that from them. And please, in the chat, tell us, you know, what would you have wanted to hear yesterday from Fauci? That's the Miaculpa. And if for you, it's jail time. I get that. I get that because, you know what? A lot of people feel like, listen, I was imprisoned in my home.

Let him feel what that is. And I've had friends that have said that. You locked me in my house. I want you to feel what it feels like to be locked in house because you weren't locked in a house. You wound up going to baseball games, throwing out first pitches. So I get that. Yeah, we have a couple of people saying,

Dr. Fauci deserved everything they put him through yesterday, straight to jail, just admit it. Yeah. And I get that. People are saying Syria employers. Remember, because of him, a lot of people lost their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccines. Military. Police, first responders.

How many doctors and nurses were coming out saying, listen, they're making it, remember, Cuomo, I need, what was it? I need all of these ventilators. While he's piling body. Yeah. It's insane. And nurses were coming out saying, listen, we can't intubate these people. It's a death sentence. And he's talking about, I have 30,000.

ventilators, I need a hundred. And it's like, no, dude, you needed none. You needed none. That wasn't the illness. It was a blood illness. It had nothing to do with ventilating the lungs. Also, Fauci knew at the beginning, we were all wiping down our packages and all this stuff. They knew it was through droplets in your saliva and in the air.

Right. They knew that's how these type of things are commuted between people. Right. So to just not come out and say that and let people just believe whatever they want to to believe was insane to me. And here's the problem of what yesterday's hearing in terms of, look, if you're not going to put this guy in jail, if you're not going to be able to take away all of the millions of dollars, he potentially made from this, whether it's grants, whether it's investments,

who knows where he made his money? I don't know. I don't have that information. Should he forfeit that money? That's what people are saying in the chat. Give back all the word money. Give back to your word. No doubt about it.

I'm with you 100% on chat. And one of the first things I said he should give back all that grant money. And Josh Hawley did a great job on that. To move a little bit to your other point, you're going to start. I did a poll question. What did the Fauci hearings actually reveal? The two answers were, answers were he still has questions to answer, and it was mostly political theater. And 68% of people say he still has questions to answer.

32% say it was mostly political theater. Right. And for the 32% that are saying it's mostly political theater, that is the commercial for the DSA, because that's who won yesterday. Yeah. The DSA won big yesterday because the DSA now takes this and runs with it and says, look, what are your options? Okay, Republicans that bring these hearings that what do they accomplish, nothing because the guy pled the fifth, if Rand Paul would have gone in yesterday and said, listen, we want you to tell the truth, we're going to sign off. We're not even going to get you on perjury.

We will sign off on a perjury in terms of any criminal complaint that can. be filed against you. We'll keep civil complaint on the table just so we make sure we can get money back from you. We'll take away to perjury count. We need answers. But he didn't do that. And what do the Democrats do? I mean, Blumenthal was gushing over Fauci. And I was like, really? You're going to go. Fauci is to COVID what you are to the Vietnam War and service. Okay. You're not the last guy that should be throwing accolades at people in terms of service. Okay, but even who was it? I think Andy Kim from New Jersey was gushing over this guy.

Federman is the only guy who got it right and said, listen, I'm not going to sit here and gush over you because I was a lieutenant governor. And I had bad guidance. I was getting the information that you gave to Rachel Maydowell. I was getting the information that was telling people, look, we're going to open in two weeks. No, we had it wrong. You misled me. Where is that? And I think ultimately that's why this is a commercial for the DSA for those 13.

32% that are going along those lines because a lot of people saw yesterday and said, so what comes of this? Everybody, Vince August, I am in for Will Kane on Will Kane Country and we will be right back. Cheers to America's 250th birthday. Get 20% off your first purchase

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Josh Hawley, what did he do? you said that was good. So what Holly does is really, it's a great lawyer technique. Because when someone pleads the fifth, what they're pleading the fifth do is to not incriminate themselves. So what you do is then you start asking benign questions. So Holy comes in and says,

all right, fine, you don't want to subject yourself to criminality? What color shirt am I wearing? And when he says, I plead the fifth to that, well, now you've gone past the point of criminality. Right. Okay.

And I think what is, look, good counsel would have told him, them repeat whatever answer you gave back between 2014 and 24 because you're pardoned for that. You save your reputation. Yeah, you save your reputation. If there's this, and look, it's in the statement that Fauci read. Go back and listen to a statement, everybody.

You're here to trip me up. Well, hold on a second. You can only trip yourself up. All right. And this is the best advice I ever got as a kid was from my dad. Okay. Don't ever lie. Always tell the truth.

because you know what, there's only one version of the truth. The second you start lying, you're testing your own memory. And now you're going to paint yourself into a corner. And I tell this to every one of my clients, whether it's a civil case, whether it's a criminal case. Listen, only you know the truth. Tell the truth. If you try to start coming up with different versions of the truth, that's where you're going to get tripped up. And you know what?

We're not tripping you up. You tripped yourself up. And that was Fauci's thing yesterday. Look, go in with your one version, whatever it is. is. Now, if your version that you told us in front of Congress back when was a lie and your diary is the truth, well, Rain Paul didn't do that to you. You did that to you. That's right. So we got anything else in the comments? Let's hit. Well, we're going to bring Jackson Thompson in here in a second. Yeah, yeah. Let's do it. But everybody in the comments, please hit us. You know,

what questions did you want to answer? What did you want to hear? Take the way of money, put him in jail. Let us know. Let us know. We love the feedback. here. Yeah, I need two seconds, so if you could. Yeah. So, joining us shortly on the show, we have WNBA story. I mean, the WNBA is the gift that just keeps on giving. Who would think here at Fox News and Fox Studios and Will Kane Show, we would be covering of all sports, the WNBA. We've got the World Cup ended, we got the NFL starting, we have baseball trade. No, no, we're going straight to WMBA, and we have someone who's been covering and a great story that's just been spiraling.

Jackson Thompson, who... Sports reporter for Fox News Digital. Yes. Find a Matt. Yes. At Onex, at Jack Thompson, Fox. Thank you for joining us. Hey, keeping the legal thing going,

we have a First Amendment story. And I know that you broke this with regards to the fever out in... Where was the game? Seattle. Seattle. Seattle. There was an incident outside.

Catch us up on your reporting because you did a great job on this. So Sophie Cunningham now has one of the biggest cult followings in the WNBA. She did just a few weeks ago, but that's multiplied in the last few weeks because she recently came out and expressed her support

for protecting women's sports. And what that did is got a lot of supporters in the area in Washington where trans athletes are allowed to compete in women's sports to come to her game and a supporter for taking that stance. And there was a rally outside of the fever, outside of the Seattle Arena,

before the fever's game went pretty well. A lot of folks there to celebrate Sophie, they had a cut out of her. They took photos. And these teenage girls who loved Sophie and showed up in XXXY Athletic Scare to show their support, they had a great time at the rally,

and then they go into the game. They get the chance to sit courtside, and it is a house of horrors from start to finish. And I'm telling you, they had fans booing Sophie from the moment she touched the ball, and then an executive, a co-owner of the team, comes up to these girls and curses at them, allegedly.

and makes one of them cry. She starts sobbing and she can't even hold the sign she brought anymore. And the team has since issued an apology and that co-owner has been suspended for the next five games and fined. We've also seen some footage now

that there was some other fans in the arena who were really pestering these girls and cursing out them. One gentleman who has been the center of a big viral footage campaign he said, take out the trash to these teenage girls and their families who were there to just watch their favorite player.

And I'll tell you, these girls did not show up to the game to go viral. They were not prepared for it. This was the kind of thing as a parent you'd hope your daughter would never have to experience. But because of the topic that they went to represent and the nature of Seattle and the W&B in Seattle, it became a house of horrors for them right off the bed. Now just to give some pushback, if you're sitting courtside and you have signs and you're wearing t-shirts to hit on an issue that's been pretty much in the news, they're not expecting to go viral.

I'm going to give some pushback on that because I think you've kind of made yourself part of the story. So I think they have to own some of the fact that this thing was going to go viral. I mean, that seems to be pretty fair, no? You may have a point. You may have a point. These girls, you know, when you're at a game like that,

you're in a public forum. You're putting a lot of publicity on yourself. Regardless, I don't think they were prepared for the experience they got. And they're young. And I don't think they're prepared. Yeah. The experience that the,

last 24 hours has been since this became such a viral story. We do have a... Go ahead. If you don't know what Seattle's like, you probably don't know that you're going to experience the pushback that you do. Sure. You do we know where they're from and who got them the tickets or no? Because, I mean, it's courtside seats.

They're not cheap. It was a donor. It was a donor. Okay. It was a local donor. It was a local activist who organized the event, a journalist Brandi Cruz who organized it. And like you said, you know, there has been a culture.

of intimidation against young women who decide to speak out on this issue. And it's especially prevalent in these blue strongholds like Seattle and California. We've seen it in Minnesota. And that was very prevalent inside that arena. And like you said, they did go in with courtside seats as part of a big viral campaign. But there was quite the surprise waiting for them there. And it's become an issue across girls' sports and women's sports for the last few years, where you see these activists on the other side, they really get,

their faces, they believe that nothing is quite off limits in terms of what words are used against them. It's brutal. And it's only the latest case. And now it invokes the WNBA, a very prominent league and a very prominent player. I think we might have a clip. Dan, do we have a clip? Yeah, we have a clip of the girls being interviewed after the game.

Okay. Well, we were just sitting there through signs that said, like, we love Sophie, like, thank you for speaking up. And so we were holding on, just watching the game again. We were being super great. We hadn't said anything to anyone else. We were being super respectful. We were just holding our signs and for both teams and this lady, older lady, comes up to us and she comes up to us and at first I think she's gonna be nice and she asked like, what are you guys doing? Something like. Yeah. And then it was

like, Jesus loves everyone. That's what she told us and I was like, oh, I know. Like, I'm religious, like, I know. I thought she's nice. Yeah, and she's like, oh, I hope Jesus can forgive you for what sin you've done and like something like that. And then she told us that we were effing insane and that and she's like, and she went like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got you better stop this. And stop. Yeah. And for you guys to come here and save you. Yeah. I love when they bring up all of a sudden they become the advocate for God in these situations. Isn't amazing when people all of a sudden they say, you know what?

I know what God is thinking right now. Look, if the signs just say we love Sophie and it's all positive messaging towards one player, that's my big thing on this one is, look, there's a difference between a, a sign that goes after somebody and targets another player on another team or targets a trans community. But if it's pro one player, what's the difference between that and just go into the game with her jersey on? That's a good point. Really, the signing was very positive. Nothing about the signs or the gear or anything said anything about trans individuals. It was simply all about supporting this player who has become very polarizing for just expressing a belief that most

fans have. But I'll tell you, it's created a domino effect. The support has been off the charts more than it's ever been. And there is going to be another rally for her next game in Portland tomorrow night. And I'm also hearing the game after that that's in Minnesota on Sunday. There's currently a rally being planned there too. So this is only the beginning. And a lot of these girls who decide to go to these things, they're stepping into the Lions Den. There's a lot of courage that comes with taking on this issue in such a public forum as we've seen last night. Now this is where... Those are those places.

Yeah. Especially there. This is where I turned into paranoid Pat. And I say, with this story and with all of this stuff and all these rallies, I know that this is a weird thing now for the WNBA because it's like, do we really need this attention? But man, this attention's good. But if you flip it, say they were saying they had a sign that says, thank you for standing up for LGBTQ plus rights. You know, no one would come up to them and say what they did to these girls. It just wouldn't happen.

So, I mean, you're just expressing your opinion of thanking a player for standing up for something you believe in. Oh, listen, I have no problem with the signs at all. Again, to me, any sign that's promoting any single player to me is no different than wearing their jersey and going and cheering for that player and making a jersey for that player. I have no problem. To me, the bigger issues, how does this WNBA handle this? Because on the one hand, do you want the attention? On the other hand, man, do we want the attention?

Right? I mean, you tell me, I think this is a good thing for the WNBA in a roundabout way. We talk all the time about how important the fever and Caitlin Clark are for the WNBA. And that's true. But here's the thing. The fact that we're sitting here talking about this right now is not because the fever coming to town, everyone cheers them, and everyone loves them. The reason we're talking about them right now is because it's a big problem for a lot of people.

For very strange reasons, reasons you and I probably won't understand. But since the Caitlin Clark was in college and played that championship game against Angel Rees, yeah, she brought a lot of attention, but you know what brought more attention when Angel Reese decided to get in her face and create a big problem for a lot of different people. So the WNBA, they're failing upwards in mismanaging all this, really, because they're getting a lot of eyeballs, folks that would never talk about their league are not tuning in. It's become a political football, too. I mean, it's just getting kick back and forth. But what do you need in any type of good battle? You need a villain. You need a villain.

And you need a good, you know, so whoever the villain might be, whether the villain is Sophie Cunningham or whether the villain is someone else who's the Seattle owner. You need a villain. So right now we have a villain on both sides. We have heroes on both sides. So you know what? If it gets people to go to the games, I think the WNBA is kind of ringing their hands a little bit behind the scenes saying, wow, this is really terrible. You have to handle it right.

You have to take advantage of the opportunity. I mean, like, if you don't, you could really fumble this. Oh, yeah. It could spiral. With Kail and Clark. Yeah. It spirals out of their control, and then it takes over the game. And don't let your players bet on All-Star games.

Oh, why? Noah Jackson. We got another one for you. So do we have a clip on this, Dan? Do we have a clip on us? So let's play the clip first, and then we'll go to the story. At All-Star weekend, you and Angel made a bet with each other on this game. Is that Ben, still?

This is how the rich stay rich. You got to save this money. I'm going to see you next week on Wednesday. Yeah. At night? No, at practice. Oh, at practice? I mean, I know you're going to lose, but if y'all lose,

if y'all win, you get it for a minute. And if we lose, then you get $4.00. I love that she doesn't know how to bet. If you lose, you get the $400. If we win, what, you get to keep the $4? She doesn't understand how a bet works. Yeah, but that was Paige Beckers and Angel Reese making a bet on the All-Star game for $400 bucks since taken down the video.

Right. So again, I don't understand the taking down the video thing. It's out there. It's viral. Everyone's seen it. So here's the thing. So Jackson, take this from just a rules issue and what this could mean for the players and the WMBA. Yeah, it's interesting.

There's a conversation like this, but there's more calls for Sophie Cunningham to be suspended just for speaking her mind. But really, I thought the Brendan Sorsby thing has really unfortunately shifted the culture around this very quickly in a very quick amount of time. And to the point where we have this conversation on camera, it's taken down, which is honestly even more suspicious. They could have at least played it off. They could have at least played it off as a joke, but really it's not. So we'll see. I don't know. I think they're hoping the WNBA can get away with this because that's their two golden girls is Angel Reese and Page Breckers. So if they had to suspend them for gambling, which is a huge, huge scandal that we see players getting banned from their sport for life, I mean, how could you let Pete Rose

die not in the Hall of Fame and then Angel Reese and Paige Becker's go back to playing over the weekend, right? So I don't know. And I'm going to get pushed back on this on the threat. So you know what, by all means, let me know what you think. Not for me though. Let me know what you think about this because I have a different take on this thing. And I am, if you bet on your own team to win, I'm not talking about stats. I'm not talking about rebounds. I'm not talking about point spread. If I bet you, we're going to play tonight, I bet you a hundred bucks. I'm going to beat you. me personally, I don't have a problem with it. I don't have a problem when Pete Rose bet on his own team to win.

Because you're going to try harder to win. Right. Again, we're putting aside any of the point shaving. We're putting aside rebound stats where you can kind of screw up the outcome of the game. But just betting on your team to win outright against somebody on the other team or when Pete Rose did it, I don't have a problem with it. But for the one most important fact, there's a rule that says you can't. So obviously, putting the rule aside,

for the moment, and that's a league issue, it doesn't bother me from that perspective. I mean, Jackson, you cover sports and putting the rule aside, I mean, is that an issue for somebody who this is your job? It's a big rule. It's a big rule. And even if there's no ill will, the rule is in place. And when you don't enforce that rule, it creates a little too much leeway that could lead to some much, much stranger things.

I mean, just look at Brendan Sorsby. The guy had so much go that he tried to just skip right to the NFL. So, you know, we're seeing the rules really be tested in this era. And there's probably going to need to be some very strict legislation that addresses this. And the WNBA, they're going to need to address this one way or the other. They can't just delete the clip and hope it goes away because we're not going to let them, right? And I don't think the other should either. Right.

And also the WMBA is tied to the NBA. And right now there's a federal investigation and betting in the NBA. Right. So, I mean, to even joke about this right now is that. in an insane thing for me to do because it's a very, very serious thing on many levels. Yeah. So even if you're joking about an All-Star game. And listen, the people that are going to come at me, listen, I understand it's a slippery slope

because the second you say, well, if you let them bet on their own games and the outcome of the win, then it's just going to spiral out of control from there. I bet you I throw it for 300 yards. Sure. Yeah, that's when it gets, and again. But not over 350. Right. You know, because then it becomes a weird gray area.

issue. And gambling is addictive and we're going to run away with all the things we could do. To me, I saw this as harmless in terms of what the video was, in terms of what it seemed like. But, and here's the big butt, there's a rule. And you can't violate the rule. And if you're violating the rule, again, Dan, you nailed it. And Jackson, too. If we have it in the NBA, how are we going to let the WMBA get away with it? You have to do something. against the WMA. You have to. Kids have been banned from their sport for life for betting on games they never played it.

And sports, they never played it. Yeah. You know, there's clearly a very critical enforcement of this that people take very seriously. Well, you've been killing the coverage. Appreciate you hopping on with us. Well done on the Sophie story. And, yeah, keep up the good work with Fox Sports.

I love it. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, pleasure. Hi, everybody. Vince August. I am in for Will. on Will Kane Country, and we will be right back. That was Jackson Thompson, and we'll give away. We'll make sure we'll put in a thread all his contact info where you guys can follow him.

Great story there. You know what? We're going to sort of stay with sports, but not really. And, man, I can't believe Will is on vacation, and I can't wait to see the pictures where we think he's on vacation. Because we have a Dallas Cowboy story, sort of kind of to cover. Tony Romo is out there, having a good time. He's golfing.

He thinks, oh, my God, I just played a decent golf game. Let me go visit Grandma and Grandpa. I think they're passed away. I don't know. Maybe he was going to visit them at a cemetery or something. We're not really sure where his grandma and grandpa were. Maybe they're adoptive grandparents, but he's on his way somewhere. And he gets stopped, and it's a DWI stop.

And, you know, officer, I can tell you this. I have three active DWI cases going on as a defense attorney. Officer seems to handle this well. She wants to give him roadside tests. I will say her demeanor changed when he brought up calling his lawyer. Okay. So let's get into this. And listen, I'm going to speak to you as someone who practices in the state of New Jersey.

Again, criminal defense. I was a municipal court judge for six years handled. I don't even know how many DWI cases over my life as a defense attorney and as a judge. when you get stopped, right out of the gate, everybody, you do not have a right to counsel during the middle of a stop. Okay, so you can't say, by the way, let me call my attorney, let my... There's an app that does that now. It's like you call an attorney app.

Yeah. Like anybody on call 24-7? You're in the middle of an investigation. Yeah. Now, at that point, you can invoke your right to not speak and you could, because the officer's got to give you directions and to tell you, look, once you're under. arrest, you have a right to remain silent. When it becomes a custodial detention, meaning you are detained, you can't leave, you can't flee. They're going to ask you for your ID. You have to

produce your ID. They're going to ask you for your insurance, your registration. You have to produce these documents. This sovereign citizen thing that was going around TikTok, please, don't take advice from TikTok, okay? Try to not get your... Do not have a lawyer on TikTok. This is the second day in a row. We've talked about sovereign citizens. No, come on. I didn't see yesterday. I was literally in court all day yesterday. Yeah, don't use the sovereign citizen thing.

And the First Amendment auditors. Yeah, please don't do that. The officer has an absolute right to have you identify yourself. You have to give that stuff. There are such big misconceptions in this situation, so I appreciate you. Yeah, you got, and again, I'm speaking from New Jersey law. I don't know what your individual state is. Look it up.

You have to present your identification, right at a gate. Because if you don't, it's a violation of title. 39 in the state of New Jersey, failure to exhibit. I think it's 39 colon 3-10. That's how well we know these things. So you have to give it immediately. Okay. So after you give the ID, if the officer has what's a reasonable suspicion that you've been drinking. And here's the thing about cops, everybody, when they stop you. Cops tend to be very suspicious. Just letting you know that. That's pretty much their basis of their job. They're really suspicious people. Okay. So, So maybe we should have women be cops, like a lot more women be cops because they're really good at it.

Like, think about all the wives, you know, who are suspicious of your... I'm glad you call them women and abroad this time around, yes. So now, if the officer says, listen, have you been drinking? Because I smell alcohol. And I could tell you this. As I'm a non-drinker, I also don't do drugs and we're going to get into the drug story. For those of you that don't know, that are cigarette smokers, that are pot smokers, that are drinkers, you don't smell it yourself.

Yeah. You don't realize what you smell like. Trust me, you smell like the thing. Yeah. Yeah. So if the officer says, have you been drinking, it's because they can smell it. Have you been smoking?

They can smell it. We can all smell it. It's there. You know what? No, I haven't been drinking. Again, now my suspicion is raised. Now I have even more reason to ask you to step out of the vehicle. I'm going to ask you to, you know, do some field sobriety test.

If you have been drinking, yes, you know what, I had a drink. You don't have to get into specifics, but it's going to go further than, no, I haven't been, when they smell it and you're slowing. You look a mess. Yeah, your eyes are bloodshot. You've given away all of the clues. Then, at that point, this officer does the right thing by getting them off the highway and bringing them to a facility. Do we have the footage from the facility then? If we can play it?

Yep. This is great, watch this. Go ahead, dude. Doing stretches. Yeah. On the cop car. Getting ready. He's got to loosen up legs.

Yep. Yep. Get the hammy going. He had a lot of back injuries. A lot of back injuries. It's like it's fourth and six. Doing a quick self-adjustment. You're going to open up L4L5.

Get ready for this. And she's cool. She lets them get away with that stuff and says, look, here's what we're going to do. You're going to do these walking turns. test. Now, the field sobriety test, everybody, I'm telling you I was a lawyer, do the test. See, I've heard so many different things in this. No. Like, you can refuse, you don't have to. They're going to arrest you, but at least you're not blowing a 0.08. Okay, here's the thing of

refusal, and I'm going to tell you this, again, speaking as a New Jersey attorney, New Jersey judge, if you refuse to take the breathalyzer, automatic, you're losing your license. A refusal is an automatic. Really? 100%. It's automatic. It's per se violation. You cannot refuse. In fact, in the state of New Jersey, the officer is going to hand you a form and say, look,

if you refuse, you are guilty of refusal under 39, colon 4-50. I think subsection. I have to look at the subsection. It's an automatic guilty on the refusal. You're getting suspended. 100%. And the equivalent of this I tell people is the handicap parking. You could be handicapped.

You could have all kinds of medical issues. You can have all kinds of health issues. If you do not have a handicap placard, if you don't have it either hanging in your car on your license plate or something that permits you to park in that handicapped spot, it is an automatic violation. there's nothing a judge can do about it. If you came in front of me as a judge over my time that I was sitting on a bench, I have a handicapped parking ticket. Okay, do you have the placard?

No, I don't. You're guilty. Hold on, Judge. Let me tell you the story. Does your story include at some point in time you showing me a placard? No, you're guilty. There's nothing you're going to tell me that can waive this. Let me ask you a question.

Please. Say you are intoxicated, right? Yep. And you refuse to take the test. Guilty. So you're guilty. Yes. And that's fine.

But is that less bad than being arrested for a DUI? No. And I'm going to tell you why, okay? Because this is where you have to trust lawyers. If you go in and take the breathalyzer, okay? In the state of New Jersey, there's a case called state versus chun. The machine, the Alka test machine, has been proven to be infallible. We know it's 100% scientific, reliable.

You can't beat the results of the machine. It's a 176 page decision, Supreme Court, New Jersey, State v. Chun, machine works. But, here's the but. There were 12 forms that come with the discovery. So you have to have the machine calibrated. The officer who's operating machine has to have his license updated. The machine has to have been tested within the last two. Yeah.

So there's a lot of stuff that has to be done. The officer who gives the test has to do 20 minutes of observation to show that there's no mouth alcohol. You're not sitting there burping and there's mouth alcohols that gets trapped in your mouth that can throw off the test. There's no mince or gum or anything that you were chewing beforehand. All of the radios that he's wearing, all electronics are out of the room to not throw off the results of the... There are so many things attorneys could do to pick apart that reading. Or we could look at the reading, come up with a reason why the reading may have been higher, lower, whatever, and we can plea bargain the reading at least out of one zone into a lesser zone.

But if you don't do it, there's no proof. That's it. If you don't take the test, if you don't give me a reading, I can't work off of that reading. There's nothing I could do. Whereas if you cooperate, you take the reading, we can come up with one of a thousand reasons why the reading should be thrown out. And when we could plea bargain and say, you know what, let's do it based on observations. And guess what?

The observation is a lesser suspension if it's a first, tier observation offense, then a second tier, because as you go up in numbers, so I think 0.08 to point 1.0, I could get your three-month suspension with an interlock where you could still drive. You can have an interlock license for that time period. Once you're 0.10 and over, the suspension period is increased because obviously you're more intoxicated. And listen, judges are going to look at readings and they're going to look at whether or not you have, you know, you have priors and things like that and making that determination. But give your lawyer a chance, whereas once you do,

I'm not taking the test, my hands are top. So you're saying, don't be like Fauci and plead the fifth. Don't plead the fifth. Take the test. Take the test. And listen, there are some people that can nail that. Also, don't drink it dry, by the way. Let's say that first. Let's go back to that. Yeah. But I mean,

Tony Romo, we have video of Tony Romo doing the test after the stretch. I think we have a video of him trying to test. All right. All right. Well, you got a pretty good balance there. Thank you. I want you to step. Step bump, bump, step bump, step bump, step bump, five, six, seven, eight.

Step bump, step, bump, step, bump, step, bump, step, bump, potter beret, kickball change, step, clap. Five, six. And then you kind of did that in a barrel turn, and then, ha, you know? That was good. That would be, you know. That was really good.

You had an answer? No. No, no, no, no. I'm just drunk. God, that show's so good. Oh, man. Having fun with Tony. Listen, Tony, I hope he's, thank God, no one's hurt. There was no accidents. He spoke very well, though. Like, it didn't see. Yeah. I mean, you never know, obviously, but. I mean, that was pretty cooperative from what I saw. They did find allegedly an open container in the car.

And that's state to state, too, right? Like, Connecticut where I'm from, you can have an open container. I don't think there's any state you can have an open container. I know there's certain states... No, Connecticut, you can. Oh, you can? Yeah, yeah. In the car, a beer can be open, and it's just the driver can't be drinking it. I'm like 90% sure.

I know New Jersey, you cannot have an open container. Yeah. No, open container is another violation. It's not necessarily a suspendable violation, because if you're not drunk, you could say it was sitting in my car for whatever. Sure. Yeah, it's a different fine, different penalty for that. Yeah. But if you're in New Jersey, you've got to take the test.

I'm surprised Minnesota allows open container law or doesn't allow open containers because you think Minnesota would be like down for open containers. Well, you have so many states that you have drive-through liquor stores, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, you got to look into your state, but yeah, definitely look into it. Yeah, passenger-only exception states Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Missouri, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, permit passengers, though not drivers to possess and consume open alcohol in vehicles. You go and Governor DeSantis.

Mississippi completely lacks a state statute prohibiting alcohol containers. So Mississippi is a free-for-all. You could just be driving around shotgun and beers and you're good. Yeah, Mississippi's do whatever you want. The Wild West still. We have another story. Pat actually sent me over a story.

Paranoid Pat had a great one. Do we have the numbers on this? More Americans now use weed every day. Yeah, the drink. the screen now. Then drink or smoke cigarettes. Yeah, throw that one up there. I mean, it seems to be pretty bunched up and it's kind of close. What's the one that's dropping down? Marijuana. Marijuana use is coming down. Is that it? No, no, no. Marijuana. Oh, sorry, it's going up. I'm looking at the wrong way. Sorry. Cigarettes should be going. Cigarettes are going down. Cigarettes are going down.

Well, does that include the e-cigarette thing or now? I think it's just cigarettes because e-cigarettes are definitely going up. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Yeah. Wait, no, alcohol is lower than cigarettes. So it's by about two and a half million. Well, that's because the young kids don't drink anymore. Right. Guys, get with it. Start drinking again.

Come on. So now, here's the weed thing. So now everybody in the state of New Jersey, and again, I'm just talking about New Jersey, all of the cops had to get certified under something called a DRE, which is a drug recognition expert. So they're trying to catch up because they knew this was coming around. and they have to make an assessment as they pull you over and again. Now, the smell of weed is obvious.

Yeah. What the harder part is is the gum. How much? The gummy thing. Oh, true. The edibles. How do you even, like, say you pull someone over and you think they're high on weed, how do you even quantify that?

So that, that's the thing. Now, all of these cops had to get certified under this DRE thing, and they have to have whatever the training is to be able to notice. the eyes, the slurring, you know, dilation of pupils. You can't prove it in the court. So they can't. So what they could do is they can, again,

cops are very suspicious people. So watch when you get pulled over. So if they find you that, you know, you're swerving, here's the probable cause for the stop. The probable cause for the stop is you violated some other aspect of Title 39 in New Jersey, which is you cross the double yellow lines, you went through a stop sign,

whatever it might be for the reason for the first ticket, careless operate, whatever that might be. So that's the initial stop. Then they come over, they see you, they start talking to it. Now, again, you say, well, his speech. Hey, what's up, man? Right.

So now, some people say, well, his speech is slurred. Now, me as a defense attorney, my question to the cop is, well, do you ever meet my client before? No. So how do you know what he talks on? Interesting. You ever hear him speak before? No, so this is the first time you met.

I know people who don't smoke weed that sound like this, man. Right. That's just the way he talks. I had a kids from, you know, Southern Cal. That's the way. Interesting. That's it, yeah. Or he's one of the two people that we saw in that interview over and over talking about how they checked out Platner.

Yeah, you know, we didn't really check his background. But the fry thing, you know, so yeah, that's, again, a potential defense. But just go along with it. Now, with the weed thing, here's the problem. You either got to take blood or you got to take urine. So that becomes something that, right. And that could be we need a warrant. The cop goes and gets the.

warrant. That they, you can say, hey, look, you're going to have to get a warrant for this because blood and urine, even though urine, your pee is deemed to be invasive. Cop will call a judge in the middle of a night. I need a warrant. Now, there's no rush for that warrant because if it's in your system, it's in your system. Yeah. All they need to do. Pleximult's hair. Right, exactly. So it's not like alcohol where I can have you sit there in a station for six hours because then guess what? Six hours later, you're not drunk anymore. So that's, that's a different thing with the drug. And again, This is not legal advice.

I'm not giving to say, this is the disclaimer. On the bottom of the show. Yeah, this is not legal advice. Don't say, oh, my God, when you get pulled over, guess what, Vince August. And that's not even the name I use for my law practice. They're going to show this clip of this show. Hold on.

Hey, this guy. Here. I'm not calling my attorney, but I'm going to pull up the Will Kane podcast because you need to watch this. Yeah, so please don't invoke me as part of your sovereign citizen nonsense when you get stopped. interesting to see the change in weed and alcohol, though. It is. It's big. Even in adults,

it's not just young people. I know a lot of people my age in their late, mid-30s that are giving up alcohol and using weed products. Hi everybody, Vince August. I am in for Will Kane on Will Kane Country, and we will be right back. Now, see, here's, I'm going to

open, honest fact about me and some people are going to find this to be? I've never done a drug in my life. I don't know, but you got never nothing. I was raised too, I was afraid my father would kill me if I ever did anything.

And then it just got to the point where I started seeing my friend smoke weed and I'm like yeah, no, I don't want to look like that at any point in time, 10 minutes later. It just never appealed to me. And listen, college, it was all over the place. Everybody was smoking weed. Nothing. It was the gateway drug. I mean, there was the

Reefer Madness, the, my parents' generation, they're like, if you do that, you're basically going to be a heroin addict and you're going to die. Yeah. which people do abuse things and people can handle them. But, you know. Yeah, and I'm not cast into Spursion. Listen, if you'd smoke weed, I get it, you do gummies for the people that are in pain. I'm glad they legalized it for medicinal purposes, for recreational purposes.

Hey, man, if you've got to sleep at night, you got to do what you got to do. I am not a prude about it. I get it. Same thing with the drinking. Look, man, yeah, I don't have a problem with it. It just never appealed to me. I don't have a taste for wine, which, again, if Will hears this, he's going to say, On Italian.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have a big taste for one. Italian without wine. I'm telling you. And I think the weird thing is it was always on the table in the house. Yeah. So it was never a big deal. And in the red sauce.

Come on. Yeah. No, it was never, like the wine was never kept away from us in a way. So I guess I don't know. Maybe for a lot of younger kids, it was because you couldn't do it and you couldn't wait until you. For us, it wasn't a big deal. So I never gravitated towards it.

Yeah. I mean, plus the different, I mean, the health benefits. and the detriment. I mean, like, alcohol is poised. You're literally poisoning yourself. And we do it. How dare you? It's accessible.

I know, I know, I know. Enough of this. He's in the liquor aisle right now. I know. I know it sounds stupid. It sounds the, you know, but we all imbibed, but like, it is horrible for you. You're literally putting ethanol in your body and your body rejects it. And I like to think, I like to think I made it through COVID because I drink so much that I gave it up completely during.

All the germs, you know. Well, it's weird, too, because everyone seems to have a drink of choice, too. Like, that seems to be. And if it's wine, people, whether you're a red or a white, I know with alcohol, like, with the whiskey drinkers, a lot of my friends are whiskey drinkers. It's not just whiskey. Like, they have a brand. Like, people locked into brands. And again, let us know in a chat.

What's your drink of choice? Because I know, like, some people with Jameson and then other people would be like, What are you kidding? It's urine. You got to drink Maker's Mark. Or Maker's Mark, no, you got to drink Johnny Walker. And then it becomes this battle of what's the best scotch, whiskey, whatever. And everyone goes back and forth.

Vodka, I know vodka drinkers, when they order martinis, it's very specific. I want this vodka, whether it's cattle one or Belvedere, or whatever. I don't know. The chat is basically saying drugs are bad. Don't smoke weed. Yeah, no. But like, also don't drink. That's the thing.

It's just funny because, like, there's this, you know, alcohol is a drug. Caffeine's a drug, you know, like all these things. But you're right. People are brand specific when it comes to their alcohol. Yeah, I'm an official ambassador for Maker's Mark. There it is. So, you know, I'm definitely down with that. Sponsor us.

I love rain vodka. Like, it's just so pure and cheap. I don't do hard liquor anymore. I just drink Miller Lights. That's it. Yeah. I just don't know how people do beer. Like, it weighs you down.

so much. I just don't know. I don't know how people do it. It's 96 cows. Yeah, I think my thing too now is that, you know, I'm such a health nut with the way I eat and train and everything, running marathons and all that stuff. My weakness

is sugar and not bad sugar. Like, you know, when it comes to like good pastries or and so my cheat is like, you know, dark chocolate. I know. You guys are going to kill me. Maybe like a nice croissant. Oh, my God. Yeah. I can't imagine what the thread's in to say with this guy. Oh my God. Real rebel.

Yeah, wow, he's going wild with his dark chocolate. When I get 73% crack cow, or cacao. Do you run into women's division, Vince, when you run these races? I can't wait to put in the comments. Yeah, do you eat chocolate while you're running a marathon? They're going to slaughter me. Do you run into two-two when you run these races? Yeah.

Yeah, let us know in a thread what you think, what's your drink. But yeah, I'd never grab it. And I know, like, some people are still, I mean, is anyone still doing hard drugs? Is that still a thing? Yeah. I mean, is like cocaine? I was fentanyl. Yeah.

Like I tell my kids, because of fentanyl, just don't do drugs. Like, you can drink alcohol or whatever. Just don't do drugs. Because, like, what was the Wolf of Wall Street? I mean, are Wall Street guys still doing that stuff? Is that still a thing? I would imagine, I mean, here in New York City, yeah, of course. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't hang around those circles, Vince. Yeah. That's entrapment. Yeah, I'm not in the... Russian roulette. I'm not in the cocaine, Wall Street, hedge fund circle. I don't think we have enough.

money for that. Yeah. What do we got in the chat, boys? Anything that we should catch up on or other stories? People are glad to. Hold on. Hold on. I have a chat. A chat from earlier in the show today. Hold on. Here we go. Oh, my God. Let's see.

So they said... Is it the one he sent me? Yeah. Original name 9571 said, I saw Will Kane at a trans rights rally. Yes. See, you guys. George Sor a sponsor. Yeah. I mean, again, you know, we want

respect his privacy. Please, whatever you do, don't AI an image and put that up. Yeah, please definitely don't do that. Not on the Facebook page. And send it to At Will Ken. Definitely not at Will Kane or Will Kane show on X. Yeah. Or all over. Respect his vacation. Yeah, whatever you do. No pictures

of him on a beach or anything. Shirtless, however he may look. We don't want it. No, definitely not. So what do we got, boys? Other topics? Anything on the agenda? We hit on I think we took care of the Fauci thing. No, we appreciate that.

I feel like I learned a lot in this episode. I learned a lot about the Fifth Amendment, learned a lot about DUI Stop. Here's the thing to come back to on the factory, real quick. And here's my issue with the politics in general. And you guys tell me if I'm wrong. And for the people that attack, you know, different people in chats, it always seems to be an ad hominin attack.

And here's my thing. As someone who's coming as an unaffiliated, not a Republican, not a Democrat, I think where the debate kind of always spirals out of control. And I don't understand it because people could attack their own sports team. People could talk about their team and say, look, we need help at the quarterback position. Baseball. Oh, my God, Volpe is a terrible shortstop.

Correct. You could attack people can attack their spouse. Oh, my God. You know what? My husband is so lazy. He just want them to help me out on the weekend. Oh, my wife just doesn't stop him. You can attack your...

Have you been to my house? why is it that the second someone says something bad like if someone sits there and says you know what i just trump is just fumbling this iran war thing it immediately what kamala would have been better yeah no listen joe biden did that i understand it immediately becomes a uh uh for whatever reason an advocacy of the other side it's like hey listen i'm not telling you i regret my vote i'm not telling you you know what i Oh man, I can't believe. And there were people out there that regret their votes. I saw the MMA guy all of a sudden and started, you know, and whoever.

That's a different thing. I'm just saying I don't understand the inability to be able to criticize the political party that you maybe lean towards or who you voted for without it being an indictment of your vote. And you could just say, look, man, I'm not down with what he's doing on this. I don't regret my vote. I'm happy with the way everything else is going or happy with 60% of what's going on. Or you know what? Look, he's screwing up a lot.

I'm 50-50 in terms of what he's done right, what he hasn't done right. The Republicans haven't appointed federal judges. They've done nothing for the Second Amendment. But I'm not regretting my vote, everybody. Same thing with the other side. I don't understand this whole thing of you can't knock your party and say, listen, guys, you had them on the stand yesterday.

Just ask him, There's discrepancies here. What is it with? Someone's got to explain this thing to me where you, because it seems cultish. It's a defense mechanism mostly. I mean, it's us first them. Everyone's in this us first them mentality. Everybody.

And you have to stay in that in your side no matter what. But you could be in your side and still criticize your side. You can. You should. Right. But people can't because it's like they won't give up one inch of what they, think what they believe. Is it a moral superiority thing?

Is that part of the connection in this thing, too? Because I feel like that becomes part of it too. I mean, an AOC has come out and said it. It's better to be... She literally... Who is he said to... What was it? The guy on CNN with the white hair

who did 60 minutes. Anderson Cooper. And she looked at Anderson Cooper in his face and said, look, it's more important to be morally correct than factually specifically correct. There's actually a clip of her saying, That being that.

Yes. So, I mean, is that it? Well, you know what? We're on higher moral ground. So no matter what, even if we are wrong, we're right. I don't know. Is that part of this thing? Somebody's got to help me on a channel.

Let me know. I mean, do you guys feel comfortable being able to say, hey, look, yeah, I don't like what my side is doing on this. Or is there a fear if I say it, you know what? I'm going to get attacked. And I think on the left, it's even worse because they're there really segmented now, where it's you got to buy in. on everything. Whereas on the right, there seems to be a little bit more give, especially right now with the war, I think, more than anything.

Well, I think it's less, because, like, we'll try to have these conversations about the war when it first started. It's like what, you know, you have to have these conversations before things happen about, like, what are our objectives and, you know, that kind of thing. And it's like when you start getting pushback, then it starts to become a political issue, this political issue where, and I've seen a lot of divide on the right, but not as much to left, but it definitely is a, yeah. Someone in the chat said, they hated Trump so much that they destroyed the whole

Democratic Party because of him, which is so true. Yeah. Because they, their entire plan is just to go after Trump and undo what he's done, go after his next, you know, protege or whatever you want to call it. And they've destroyed themselves internally so much in hopes of destroying, taking him down. And that's it. Yeah.

Not helping, just tearing down. But here's the question for them. What are you going to do in two and a half years? Sure. They have no effing idea. Right. I talked to so many, because I'm left-leaning. I was an actual Democrat at one point.

And like on this show, I listen to Will, and I listen to Patrick, and I listen to people we have on the show. And I say, you know what? I was thinking about that differently, and maybe I should think about it this way. And I think those conversations need to happen. But a lot of people in the Democratic Party cannot even think that. I talked to a lot of them and there's just, you know, this is it. We hate Trump. That's it.

Well, the other thing that I saw like Bill Maher said is he was open to voting for Vance or something like that. Something to the effect of, look, I'm open to voting different than Democrat. And my thing is, how are you never open to looking at both candidates? And listen, I get it. And there were certain states, like there were people from New Jersey that are like, look, I can't vote blue again after what happened with Murph. and what happened during the line. I'm sorry, you lost me for good. Now I, and because the state is so blue,

I've got to go in there, and I've got to wrote down the line red because we need some balance here. Because we're so blue, we have no representation, I'm painted into a corner. I get that. I get in states where the state is so one-sided,

like California. I get that where you feel almost trapped that no one's going to protect certain rights that are consistent with the right, whether it's Second Amendment or whatever it might be, that look, I have no trick. So I get that. I get that to a certain degree.

So again, if you feel like you have to do it to act as a balancing act, yeah. But in a lot of situations, look, and we mentioned, Dan, you mentioned the guy earlier. Federman, who saw this coming from this guy? I mean, he was getting crushed. He found a lane. Yeah.

Yeah. He was getting crushed before that. I mean, they were going after him. He's got brain injury. he's this elitist from, you know, from Pennsylvania. He never has to look at the way he drove. And now we're looking at him. And most of the people on the right is like, wow, thank God we got John Frederman.

But also, but he will say something that's too lefty. And then they'll be like, well, actually see, that's him. That we were wrong. But he's actually like a lefty Democrat. Right. For a second. And then he says something that's, yeah. Well, look at how many times did people latch on to it?

The one person that people latched onto that has been forgotten because we're going to bury it was like the Michael Avanotti thing. you know, where people all of a sudden, oh, he's going after Trump. You know, people literally wanted that guy to run for president. There was actually chatter about that. So it becomes that thing, you know, where Cuomo, that's our next president. And it becomes his knee-jerk reaction to all of a sudden, you know what? You're going to be extreme.

I mean, listen, when I see Democrats, you know, giving Bush a pass because he and Michelle Obama are close, it's like, wait a minute, that's all that needed to happen. And you guys are all of a sudden, we're a fact. Why, he paints nice pictures now. You know, meanwhile, the man had the highest and lowest approval rating of any president ever. It's my name. All you do for Democrats is just start painting.

So Hunter Biden started painting. George Bush started painting. Take up the arts and you're good. You were good, man. I look back, we're talking about Trump and how divisive it is. When he was elected the first time, I was in my single dating era, girls would literally ask me, did you vote for Trump? Like, in the first date, did you vote for him?

Because if you say yes, right now, I'm leaving. I'm walking out. It was like a prerequisite. I mean, I lived in Connecticut, so it was very blue, but still, it was just insane. I just blew my mind. That's wild. That's the first question. So you definitely lied, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, listen, my first presidential election, I voted for parole. I was, because to me... You're canceled. Yeah. Yeah, because to me, that was a guy that, you know, during that election, and a lot of people got man to me because they're like you handed the election to Clinton and I'm like look man this was the only guy that was speaking to me that truly loved the country I'm like this guy loves this country and I don't regret my vote at all I had the pleasure of meeting michael durand who was the helicopter

pilot that uh black hawk down the second one that went down and when he got back and he was looking to write his book and I asked him like who were the people that really came to your aid and he said to me you'll never believe it he goes h russ proe I was like really he goes he's He's done more for veterans in the state of Texas than anybody. And I was like, no kidding. I'm like, I was one of my first presidential elections. I voted for the guy because I was all in on this guy loves this country. America's begging for a candidate like that.

A candidate that can see beyond attack and see beyond and not play into that. Like, it is necessary to some degree as a politician. You have to, you know, attack the other side and take it on the chin. But people, I think, are just clamoring for someone that isn't as deviant. Yes, people love Trump. I get it. But they just need someone who just kind of like wants to lead to lead. Parties need to realize that they don't have a right to your vote. Like, you know, that's the thing.

It's like we become such a two-party system that it almost feels like they're like, well, if you don't vote for us, you're voting for them. Here's this kind of person you just have to like them. Yeah. Yeah. No matter what. We don't care. But even if they suck, they're a figurehead. And look at what happened in Maine.

You know, the guy you voted for, sorry. He's stepping out. so you know what, we're giving you the next one. Yeah. There's just no amalgam of a person that will fit. Yeah. This is impossible. But, yeah, let us know in a chat.

Can you have a conversation within people, within your own party, where you can actually say, look, man, yeah, I'm not happy with this. And it doesn't become an attack. I'm curious to know. But, hey, listen, it's been fun filling in. Thanks so much, man. For Will? Yeah.

Will, wherever you may be on vacation. And I'm sure we're not going to see. pictures of it, but whatever. Maybe. Yeah, double session, Dan, paranoid, Pat. Thank you so much for having me on the show. It's been a pleasure. Thanks, Vincent.

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