Will Cain Country - What To Watch For As Former President Trump and Vice President Harris Faceoff In ABC News Presidential Debate

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Story #1: Vice President Kamala Harris is set to attack. Can former President Donald Trump stick to policy? What each candidate needs to do to win the debate tonight. Story #2: A debate preview with former Speaker of the House, 2012 GOP Presidential candidate, and host of the 'Newt's World' podcast, Newt Gingrich & Host of The Ben Domenech Podcast, Ben Domenech. Is Trump the greatest debater in American history? Story #3: Outkick Columnist Bobby Burack discusses the detention of Tyreek Hill, and the pushback from the Left on Nate Silver's polling. Plus, The Crew joins to debate the Top 5 all-time color commentators in NFL announcing history.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Kamala on the attack. She plans to get aggressive with Donald Trump, the tight wire that they both need to walk. The needle, I think, that they need to thread in the first and only debate for the presidency. Two, we break it all down. Get you ready with 2012 presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. and the host of the Ben Dominic podcast editor at large at the Transom, Ben Dominic. Three, body cam video. More evidence.

Now the opportunity for a responsible take in the detainment of Tyreek Hill. Plus, was the Haitians eating cats and ducks, story a hoax. Coming up on the Will Cain Show. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com, the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, terrestrial radio, market-to-market, and always on demand by subscribing at Apple or Spotify or subscribe to the Will Cain Show on YouTube. We've got a big show with many guests today to take you up to a big night in the race for the presidency. A night that I think is unpredictable, making it not unlike a sporting event. speaking of sports first week of results in for the will cane show fantasy football league

bad week for your host uh good week for fox news legal analyst andy mccarthy good week for major league baseball former star a j prisinski we'll break it all down let you know the standings here who did well in week one of the will cane show fantasy football league plus a lot of you were really upset you know about the potential for this topic in fact Patrick and Charlotte, a long-time listener to the Will Cain show, emailed, texted, commented into the show. If Will puts Dan Fing Deirdorf in his top five color commentators of all time, I'm going to stop watching this show. This in a conversation about how much improvement is ahead of Tom Brady. Could he ever climb?

He's the greatest quarterback of all time. What would he have to do to become the greatest color commentator of all time led to a discussion of who the top five color color commentators. I got a lot of suggestions from you folks. And in the brainstorming session, I tried to remember, you know, you remember the people who were the voices, the sounds of your childhood. And I tried to remember the color commentator on

ABC's Monday Night Football. It was Dan Deirdorf. So I guess you're going to have to just hang in one more episode for Patrick from Charlotte to find out whether or not I placed Dan Deirdorf in my top five color commentators of all time. Also, we're going to get you updated quickly on

Will versus the experts, me, picking college and pro football games against the experts. Every Friday here on the Will Cane show, what's my record? We're two weeks in. How am I doing versus the experts? I'll make my picks for week three of college football, week two of the NFL a little bit later this week. I really don't like that it's different weeks for each sport. I need to just be able to say week X, and it means the same for college and pro football. But we've got a big night of unpredictability, not in the world of sports, but in the world of the race for the presidency, the first and only debate for the United States president tonight with story number one. Reports indicate that Kamala Harris's

tactic going into this debate will be to go on the attack, to be aggressive. Advice from former presidential candidate, losing presidential candidate, which, I would think then any piece of advice should come with a healthy, not grain, but shaker of salt. Hillary Clinton is that she can rattle and she should try to rattle Donald Trump. The truth is, I think this is good advice. And it sounds like sound strategy for Kamala Harris. She should go on offense. Here's why.

Defense is a bad place to be in period in politics. Defense in defending yourself, explaining, losing. go on the offense. If Kamala Harris is on her heels and constantly trying to explain her policy and consistencies, her flip-flops, if she's forced to fill the void of open space, ad lib, impromptu, this is where she fails. This is where her phoniness is revealed. And I do think that she is phony.

I think her policy prescriptions. By the way, interestingly laid out by Bernie Sanders in an interview this week and impressed like, hey, why is she abandoned all these progressive principles she's held throughout her career now that she's in a general election of president? Sanders basically said it's phony. It's a lie. She's doing it to get elected to the presidency. So whether or not it's policy or honestly, her laugh or her general persona, I do think there is so much that is fake, just flat, phony. And when you're on your heels and you're playing defense, that is when you're rattled. I told you, I've told you guys, my sons play soccer.

It's so interesting to watch kids. I went to practice last night. Soccer is such a confident sport, but all sports are. But soccer, I think, at an enhanced level, is about confidence. If you're feeling good about who you are, then you're on offense. You're on your toes. You're not caught. You're not reacting.

One of my sons is in a really good spot. The other has a broken leg. But one of my sons is in a really good spot. He's just feeling confident. And his game is like, you know, two-fold. over what it is when he's worried about the coach, about a mistake. Kamala Harris has got to be the same way. If she's worried, if she's defensive, it's only going to compound her mistakes. But if she's on her front foot, if she's attacking Donald Trump, she gets to control more of the

narrative. She advances her ball. And I'll tell you, she also, I think, I have to say, Hillary Clinton is right, has the potential to rattle Donald Trump. And how do I mean that? Well, force him into his weakness because for him the loss is to come out of this debate honestly coming off as an a hole that's the truth that's blunt that's not eloquent but that's the when you bore down to it that's what it's all about can she make him look like an a hole because that's how people vote at least the people that haven't yet decided how they will vote how do i feel about these two people and if you're a bully if you're mean you turn off these people who aren't there for the policies because the policies are already there.

Anyone who wants can know the policies. So this is going to be about how they feel. And if she can go on the attack, if she can push and then force him to over-correct and push back, a sound strategy for Kamala Harris. Now, this is where it's tough. It's tough for Donald Trump.

It's he has to push her. He has to put her on defense. He has to rattle her. He has to get her insecure so that she's starting. starts floundering and word saliding and revealing her phoniness. He has to be able to do that without coming off as a bully. And that is tough when you're dealing with a woman.

Man, I've done a lot of debating. I have on television and fun of public audiences. And I've also hosted shows, which aren't necessarily debate shows, ensemble, where the truth is, if you interrupt a woman, you are judged differently than if you interrupt a man. That's just the truth. I'm not here for should or shouldn't. I'm telling you what is or isn't.

And you come off, especially to women, as a jerk. If I interrupt Rachel Campos Duffy, the feelings around me are very different than if I interrupt Pete Heggseth. If I push back aggressively on Stephen A. Smith, really aggressively, as you can see from any old clip of first take, I can pull that off way, way more charismatically than if I push back on Molly Karam,

the moderator. of first take. Now, Donald Trump has done a good job of this in a lot of realms. He's also, I think, been overly aggressive at times that have pushed away those feeling, feeling voters. And that's the tight wire that he has to walk, the needle he has to thread. And it's going to be very difficult. My suspicion is his plan going in is to be calm, to be a lot like he was with Joe Biden. But Joe Biden was going to implode regardless of Donald Trump's presence. Harris needs Donald Trump's presence to some extent to obviously, obviously implode. And that's going to be tough for Donald Trump. And I think it will be tough. The thread, the needle thread

and the tight wire is not just for Donald Trump. It's going to be tough for Kamala Harris to stay on offense. It's possible Donald Trump remains calm and she comes off like a jerk. It could happen, you know? I mean, you can, I just saw a debate between Charlie Kirk and some girl over abortion. It was just a viral. clip on on x and and the lady i said girl she's very young um she literally did i'm speaking and she said it i think no less than six or seven times and super aggressively and it's a massive turnoff i'm speaking i'm speaking i'm speaking she did it while charlie kept trying to talk and so she wasn't just interrupting him she was over talking him on the i'm speaking and trust me she

loses the feeling in that debate so kamala harris could be overaggressive it's going to be fascinating unpredictable and not easy, I think, for either candidate in the race for president. But we're going to break it all down with a couple of experts. The host, the editor of the Transom, the editor at large at the Spectator, the host of the Bin Domitch podcast, Ben Domit's, friend of the show, probably should be in our fantasy league, Ben Dominic and former House Majority Leader, 2012 presidential candidate, Newt Gingrich, coming up on the Wilcane Show. The Tunnel of Towers Foundation honors fallen heroes by supporting their families.

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Body cam footage of the detainment of Tyreek Hill keeps coming out new angles, new videos, and as opposed to yesterday when the take was, wait and get evidence and be responsible. Now we have the ability for responsible tape. We're going to break all that down with Outkicks. Bobby Burrack coming up in a little bit here on the Will Cain show. Streaming live at Fox News. dot com on the fox news youtube channel the fox news facebook page just hit subscribe it's going to be an episode you want to go back you want to listen to is it gets you ready for the two thousand and twenty four debate for the presidency at apple or spotify or on youtube why you want to listen to this episode help to break it down because we have 2012 presidential candidate the host of

newts world gingrich 360 it's a podcast and the host of ben dominic podcast he's also the fox news contributor editor-at-large the spectator and the editor of the transom ben dominage gentlemen great to have you here on the will cane show ben and for that matter newt i don't know we should have had you in the fantasy football league nude are you a are you a i don't know you're a sports guy new right well he's a steeler's man we have a share of green bay stock so we have a vested interest and south paula was tough oh you're a green bay packers fan but But, Newt, you're from, now, I have a lot of really strong opinions, and I judge a character harshly on this type of thing.

You're from Georgia. Give me an excuse for you being a fan of the Green Bay Packers. It's America's team. When I was a graduate student, my closest friend in graduate school was a Dallas Cowboy fan, and every year I got a case of beer off of him, thanks to Vince Lombardi. Where was this? Where was this in school? Where did you go to school?

Tulane. Tulane. Tulane. Oh. It was a tough life. I would like to see in 20. Yeah, I was going to say, I'd like to see 20-something-year-old Newt. Green Bay Packers fan, America's team roommate in the streets of Bourbon Street in New Orleans.

That's a different. It's a different image than the... It's different than the 2012 presidential candidate. I turned down Duke and a variety of other schools when Tulane made an offer he goes, I wanted to live in New Orleans. And I was right. Of course. Of course.

I think you were. Little people don't realize this Duke is just a northeastern school situated in the south. It's full of New York. And that's nothing wrong with that. But that's just what it is. All right, Newt Gingrich, Ben Dominic here on the Will Kane show.

Ben, with all due respect, I am going to start with the guy that ran for the president. see on this debate stage I read down with this transom every morning you can ask Ben first I read all of his stuff so I don't oh so you're just going to repeat stuff

that Ben's already written I don't want to hear that and I don't think it's true Newt you jumped on they told me when you jumped on the Zoom so you might have not heard my monologue my lead up to bringing you guys in I think this is really tough for Trump

and I don't think it's easy for Kamala Harris I think it's tough debating a one I think it's tough trying to put her on the defensive without coming off like a bully. What do you think about tonight in the strategy for Donald Trump? I think Trump is the best debater I've ever seen. I mean, including Reagan. I think Trump's intuitive skills, I'm always very cautious in advising him on debates because his instinct, I mean, look at how he demolished Jeff Bush or go down the list.

Look how he handled. People talk about him debating a woman. He debated Hillary. Hillary was a thug. And so he could be much tougher. Kamala's not a Hillary quality thug. So he's got to be a little more careful. On the other hand, look at how he calmly and pleasantly allowed Joe Biden to destroy himself in June. I mean, the more disciplined Trump was, the more Biden destroyed himself. So I have no idea. which version of Trump will show up tonight, but I do know that while he doesn't do this hide in Pittsburgh preparation stuff, he has been preparing for this for six or eight weeks all day every day. He's been thinking, does this work? Does that work? You know, if I do this, what will she do? I'm looking forward tonight, gentlemen. I mean, I have no idea what's going to

happen. But I think she has a much harder problem. One more for you, Newt. One more for you, Newt. So I totally respect. I like what you have to say about his instincts, is true and I've been I've been with Donald Trump he told me about some of the advice that he got in debate prep in 2016 and the truth is the advice wouldn't have been good and he just did what was instinctual for him and it worked and I and I appreciate and respect that but you've been in there do you think Donald Trump we know all three of us have probably been around Donald Trump to some extent to know who I know he cares what people think meaning he asks you what you think often and he'll ask a common person as much as an expert what they think about the stake at Bedminster

about this, about that, he cares. Do you think he'll care, like, in debate prep, to your point, like if somebody says, now, Mr. President, if you do it that way, you're coming off as really abrasive to Tulsi Gabbard standing in for Kamala Harris. That's who's playing the role of Kamala Harris. And we have polling over here, or we have a Frank Luntz-type figure saying it plays poorly. Is it in Donald Trump? Like, he hears that, he listens that and goes, okay, how can I adjust going into the debate?

I think the guy who did 13 years of The Apprentice thinks he has a pretty good notion of what TV audience is like and I think he listens to everybody he puts it through this extraordinary brain of his and he intuits what he should do and I mean I look he and I have exactly the same debate prep model

when we had our first debate with Fox in 2012 Colise and I got Diet Cokes and watch bridesmaids that was my debate prep i know i know exactly why i know exactly why he's not flying into the last minute because he doesn't want to get tense he doesn't want to think about it right you know he wants to he has a lifetime of preparation he doesn't have to study who is kim jong one or you know what is putin like i mean she has never done anything except be a lawyer uh she was a lawyer as a DA, she was a lawyer

of the Attorney General. She behaved like a lawyer in the Senate. She's never run anything. Trump has a lifetime of experience. And I suspect, you know, I suspect he's kind of looking forward to this. And we'll say, and I think he will intuit

what the ABC reporters are like and what she is like. And in his own head, he'll have a model of the notional American watching the debate. And he will behave in a way designed to move that person to dismiss Kamala as a possibility. So, Ben, did you write all that in the transom this morning?

Did he just regurgitate what you've written already? No, I wouldn't pretend to. Obviously, Newt has way more experience on the debate stage than I do. But I have done a good bit of a debate prep over the years. And what I would be saying to the former president right now is, restraint, use virtually the same approach that you had to that June debate. Because the reality for us in this moment as Americans is that the people who are going to decide this election haven't really decided who Kamala Harris is yet. And I think that if she has some pretty basic

questions given to her, then I think that she is going to tie herself into knots. It's not going to be the same degradation that we saw from Joe Biden, but it's going to be something that I think is not going to be advantageous to her campaign. We've already seen her momentum stall. We've already seen the fact that this convention didn't result in any significant bump for her. The polls are effectively tied. And I think that if ABC's moderators do anything approaching their job, certainly I think we were pleasantly surprised at the way that CNN approached this, asking basic questions that matter to the American people about the economy, about security, about the border, about foreign policy, then I think she's going to be put into a really tough position.

Now, for the former president, I think you're right, Will. He needs to avoid coming across as nasty, as bullying, as aggressive, or anything along those lines. Part of the disadvantage for him is just, I know this is sort of a silly thing, but he's almost a foot taller than Kamala Harris. You know, they're going to be on stage together in a way that they haven't been before. And so that the danger optically is coming across as if you are badgering someone or something like that. And I think that that's the real thing he just needs to avoid. If he gives straightforward. That's interesting, Ben, the visual.

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. The visual. You know, in their rule, Ben, in the past, they've said we've never had a president under a certain height. And, but we've only ever really analyzed that through the prism of men. I've never thought about that as applied to one. women. How tall is Kamala Harris?

Kamala Harris is 5-5 in heels. So that's, it's quite a bit of a difference. I know, I think she's actually 5-4. I think she says she's 5-4. Everybody gives himself an inch. Everybody gives themselves an inch, noot. You know the NFL combine. You know the way this works. But if you looked at her last appearance with Biden, where Biden puts his arm around her, she leans up against him and closes her eyes and is resting her head on his shoulder. She looks like she's the teenage girl he's comforting.

I mean, it's not a shot I would have wanted if I were her managers. Well, but I also think one of the things that we're going to run into here is just the basic problem of if you are the bigger guy on stage optically, it just looks like you're being way more aggressive than you are. And I think that that's the thing that he needs to avoid Because you can see There's so many different ways for him to challenge her

So many questions that he could put to her But I think he just needs to have an approach that's restrained And that's serious And that picks himself as the candidate Of seriousness and change And her as the candidate of This is the last four years Except dumber and stupider

And more unreliable All he's going to do is you both have said. Sanders was right on Sunday when Sanders said she was pretending to give up her beliefs to get through the election. He just says that's just such as I do you agree with Bernie? We just talked about that. So a couple of quick thoughts on what you guys have said so far.

So, Ben, I love that you brought the visual. And Newt, you'll know this better than me. And I can't remember who said it, but I've often quoted it's been attributed to Ronald Reagan's communication advisor that it's 70% how you look, 20% how you sound, and only, only 10% what you have to say. So I love, I love Ben that you bring up the importance of the visual aspect of it. New, you brought up that he's done in the past with a woman with Hillary. And I appreciate that.

You even put the caveat in there. I just think Hillary's different. She's so unlikable that you could be as aggressive as you wanted. And Kamala's just not on that same level of unlikeability. But my question to you, Newt, will be my buddy Pete Higgseth pointed us out. They put answers at two minutes. And Pete was like, that's a long time. And that plays to Donald Trump's advantage to make.

Kamala speak extemporaneously for two minutes? Well, it's a huge disadvantage for Trump. I mean, the idea of a two-minute answer is so constricting that his natural length is seven to 12 minutes. He's going to have to really edit himself to be down at two. Right. And I'll bet he gets cut off a couple of times during the evening because he just starts rolling.

Right. When he's rolling, you know, time flies when you're having fun. See, you know, I just want to make a point that I used to make back before the Biden-Trump debate in June. The debate's important, particularly for those who care about politics, although I noticed this morning, only 44% of the American people are aware that there's a presidential debate. 56% of the country does not know what's going on. And that's because politics is not that central to most people's lives. But here's the point I made before the June debate. Two days after the debate, people will go to the grocery store.

And they will remember that the Biden-Harris program raised the price of beef 26 percent since they got in office, raised the price of gasoline, raised the price of everything. And they'll be back where they were. And Trump's base is around 48 or 49 percent. And that's after everything they've done to him. Her base is actually around 42. And people just don't realize it yet. But if you really look at the underlying value questions,

she's at about 42. And she's got a real problem because the people she's currently getting that are the extra six or eight don't know who she is. And the more they start learning who she is. This is Dukakis and McGovern all over again. So can I just point on one more? Remember, the caucus was up 17 points, 17 points coming out of the Democratic Convention. She was up one, she was up either one or two. And if you're a Democrat in the Electoral College, if you're not up at least four, you're losing,

because all your, your whole margin is California. in California Once you carry California and the next 100,000 or 500,000 votes is irrelevant and that's why I knew Hillary would lose because her margin in California in New York was so big in Illinois

those are the three places you get the huge national margin and frankly if we went to a popular vote model Republicans would advertise in those three states and they would be they get a much bigger vote so there's a certain misleading notion

that we don't do well in certain places, we don't even show up anymore. You say, fine, you get an extra half million there. We'll take the electoral college. Ben? Which is why, of course, they want to get rid of it. The point that I wanted to make that I find to be very interesting going into this debate, Will, is Pugh is out with their latest round.

They do these sort of schedule rounds of massive polls that they do that look at different issues. And what they found in terms of, of, you know, priorities, voter priorities is that obviously the same consistent thing has happened here. We've got the economy, immigration, and then security concerns, which are sort of, you know, either, you know, domestically crime or foreign policy-wise, you know, instability around the world. These issues have been the top, and they've been consistently the top for two years now. The interesting thing to me about the Pew poll was that while Kamala Harris has an advantage on the abortion issue, it's a much smaller advantage than I think people would realize. It's 55 to 44, which actually says to me, that's a huge problem for her. If she wants this to be a culture war election where there's going to be some kind of sweeping youth vote that's going to come in and elevate her,

some kind of, you know, effectively the repeat of the 2022 cycle in many ways. That's not what is developing in front of us right now. What is developing in front of us right now is an election that's about fundamentals. Trump is really good when it comes to these fundamental issues. I think the more that he sticks to that, the better. And in terms of the kind of radical nature that Newt was just talking about, DeCoccus McGovern, et cetera, I don't know if you've seen it, but the visual of Aaron Burnett expressing shock that Kamala Harris endorsed gender surgery

for illegal migrants, you know, she actually did that. Yes, she actually did. She took all these crazy positions. My only question is going to be, are these moderators going to ask any of the questions about this? Like, do you still believe? No, I think that that's why Aaron Burnett resonated because it was such a rarity. No, they won't.

I think that they will avoid those. But that to me means that Trump is going to have to find ways to bring those up to basically establish I am the candidate of the economy of the border of security at home and around the world. And she is the candidate of crazy, loony, lefty, Berkeley ideas. She may pretend to be from Oakland, but she's from Berkeley. Let me suggest a real-time, real life, what could become the biggest symbol of the campaign. and that's Springfield, Ohio. Springfield has 20,000 Haitian refugees. It is collapsing as a city.

And if Springfield, and to a lesser extent, Aurora, Colorado, which has a Venezuelan game that is literally on TV with guns breaking into an apartment, those are the kind of things that suddenly the country says, enough. And I think if that sinks in, and the question becomes, you know, vote Harris and get more Springfield. Bring Springfield to your town. You too could have 50,000 refugees, thanks to Kamala. That truly sinks him. This will be much closer to a Dukakis or McGovern race.

Yeah, we broke that down yesterday, Australia. In fact, we're going to revisit it again today in the third segment without kicks, Bobby Burke, the story of Haitians in Springfield, Ohio. All right, I know Ben has to go, I believe, I don't know if he has to record something or pick up a child, he's got to go at 1230 Eastern time. And Newt has all kinds of important things to do,

like perhaps record the Newt's World Gingrich 360 podcast. Also, while you're there, subscribing to that, subscribe to the Ben Dominic podcast. I really appreciate you guys hopping on and doing this with us today in advance of the debate. Thank you, Newt.

Thank you, Ben. one more note on the on the timing of the answers to two minute length um you know new brought up it could hurt trump because he'll get cut off one thing that anybody's interviewed trump knows it's in it's it's hard for the casual listener casual viewer to experience this for the first or maybe even the third time and certainly the national media twisted into long crazy rants but this is the this is the format of a trump answer begin to answer the question indulge multiple parentheticals and streams of consciousness but does almost always in to newt's point it may be seven minutes later but almost always comes back to the original question to answer it i mean he goes around the world twice but he does come

back into port he does bring the ship back home to harbor and so you've got to hang in there and so i think there's a chance though the two minutes reduces the trips around the world reduces the parentheticals in his mind i hope because that's where they're like oh stream of conscious rambling crazy what's he talking about eating ducks in springfield he'll come back around to the kamla harris endorsed bringing 100,000 Haitians into the country in 2021 as vice president all right let's continue this debate prep we'll revisit the Haitian story the refugee migrant story from springfield ohio and we've got new evidence in the detainment of tyree kill plus a mailbag of your involvement the williscia coming up with outkicks bobby burack here on the will cane show

Listen to the all-new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground, in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites, like his all-star panel, and much more. Available now at Fox Newspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Shadow Band on YouTube says the media will make sure to avoid wide shots that show Kamala Harris and Donald Trump together. They'll also use angles when they have to show them together to de-emphasize the difference, talking about height. I wonder if she'll also stand on like a, you know, clear plastic apple box type thing as well. I think that comment by Shadow Band is correct. It's not going to be a visual.

Ben Dominic of the bin Domitch podcast just talked us about the visual difference of Trump being a foot taller. Don't underestimate that. That's not pettiness. Visual is important. But I agree with this comment. You're probably not going to get a lot of that visual at tonight's. ABC presidential debate.

It's the Will Kane show streaming live on YouTube, the Fox News YouTube page, on Facebook, the Fox News Facebook page, but always on demand, Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. Let's break down the debate. Let's break down Tyree Kill. Let's break down the Springfield, Ohio story, plus some of your comments without kicks, Bobby Barak here on the Will Cane show. What's up, Bobby? By way, Bobby's got a brand new column up at OutKake.

It's not brand new. It's a week or so old. He was texting me about last night. I'd actually read it already, Bobby. And I was at a soccer practice for my son. Sometimes I'm a horrible text responder, and it's not personal. So I was sitting at practice, and during warm-ups, when they just pass around, I was reading the column, you know?

And then I'm like, okay, I'm a text, Bobby, back. And I actually screenshot some of my favorite parts of the column. But then the scrimmage started, and I started watching the scrimmage of practice. And my favorite parts, Bobby, were you said free speech is on the ballot. This is a free speech election. is you pointing out that Keith Ellison, Tim Walts's Attorney General in Minnesota, openly embraced Internet censorship in Brazil, said Abogato Brazil, and that you can't have a true democracy if you don't have free speech. It's just antithetical. Yeah. And what, first of all, excuse me, I'm nasally. I'm always nasly at this time for whatever reason. So what made this point to me so important to make is that imagine Will, because what free speech does above all out, It allows us to find the truth.

Without free speech, we would be beholden to the information that the government and the powers that be let us have access to. We had a glimpse of that during the pandemic when people weren't allowed to put out differing opinions or even facts that they could back up. And you saw what happened. People were duped. They were deceived into believing the vaccine could do this. That mask could do this. that the pandemic was some natural cause from bats in Wuhan. We saw what happens when normal people are not allowed to find the truth by themselves.

And that's so concerning to me, given that once we found out that Mark Zuckerberg admitted that the Biden-Harris administration was pressuring him to censor content and take down post-critical of the administration, that not a single Democrat, from my knowledge, has come out and condemned and excuse me government pressured censorship, which the Constitution by rule prohibits. But what you have here is the White House finding a workaround by strong arm and social media companies to do the censoring for them. Well, I will say Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, RFK, all self-described former Democrats. And I believe the senator from Oregon is that Ron Wyden has been a pretty good defender of free speech as well.

but your point's taken i just am pushing back on the not a single democrat but your point's taking because the overwhelming yeah the overwhelming majority and the prevailing ethos of the democratic party is now in favor of censorship and they're never going to say that they just say they just say moderating misinformation which is a fancy flowery way of embracing censorship um speaking of of you know information that helps us arrive at the truth bobby um yesterday i had ricky cobb of the ricky cobb show on outkick and we were talking about the tyree kill thing and i'm not good at social media i'm just not and one of the i have a lot of failings but my biggest failing probably no not my biggest but but my top five failing is i don't go immediately and offer my hot take when all the likes

and retweets a rack it racked up i just don't and i didn't on tyree kill and it's not a that's not a hey tell me about your biggest failing and you go i'm a perfectionist i'm not i'm not backhanded complimenting myself i'm saying i just don't do this um and yet long time listener to the will cane show said my take yesterday of we don't have the evidence so i don't have a take and that's the right take um m2 chalet who's long time listener took to twitter and said will i love your podcast but you left it wide open today on your show this is excessive force and was not necessary I'm not a fan of Tyreek as a female because of his prior abuse, but this is not okay by these cops.

Nope. Well, now we have more info, Bobby. We have like, I think three, four, five different body cam footage from the officers there. And I don't have a great take in terms of like satisfactory for everybody because everybody wants me to take like 100% one side or the other. But I do think I have the right take and I think it's the same take as yours. Tyreek disobeyed. First of all, he was going really fast

in a construction zone, way outpacing the speed of traffic. Then when the officer says, roll down your window, he does, but then he rolls it back up. They're super dark, tinted out windows, and the officer can't see what's going on. Now it ratchets up,

and Tyreek rolls it down a little, and then they drag it. And the officer has enough. Tyreek disobeyed commands. And that's a big one when you can't see in the car. Now the officer's safety is at danger. So I think Tyreek, wasn't just rude he was non-compliant and he created the spiral now i will say i do think the

officers were egotistical at some point he's already in handcuffs and they're shoving him to the ground after that they're overly aggressive so they're not in in they're not perfect but this isn't race by the way they weren't white cops they were they were latino it's not it's just not what everybody wanted it to be on day one they just they wanted to be simple it's not and the truth is if you're assigning blame, the majority goes to Tyreek. Yeah, this whole situation underscores the problem we have with the media and national conversation today is that we're programmed to immediately take aside. The police are guilty. Tyreeks are blame because that is tribalism and that's what people are rewarded for.

There are people who have millions of retweets and comments from Sunday because they jump to those conclusions. But it's not always as black and white to use a phrase because in this case, I think both sides are to blame partly. Tyreek Hill initiated this. He was speeding, I believe, 40 miles per hour above the speed limit in a construction zone that is very, very dangerous. He was rude to police. He was disobedient. He rolled up the window with fully tinted window, so police had no idea. Is he grabbing a gun?

Is he taking off? What is he doing? And that started this. Now, at the same time, the police, once they removed him from the car, took it a bit too far when they shoved him to the ground the second time. So the police are not blameless. But if we're going to do a pie chart about who deserves what degree of the blame, I think Tyreek Hill deserves about 70% of it. That's not excusing the police. But this whole idea that Tyreek Hill is a victim of the police officers, that he is an example of the dehumanization of black people, which is what Stephen A said on Monday.

That is such a lie. We have video here that directly debunks that entire narrative. Spot on. Spot on. Nothing to add. I think that's, I even agree probably with your percentages. 70, 30, Tyreeks way. And obviously with that 30, it's not a complete, it's not a complete.

it's not a complete endorsement of the way the officers behaved or to excuse them i also think by the way in the this wasn't an assault like they were over aggressive so like we're kind of like we're dealing with the situation where it's not as though some big horrible thing took place but it is if you're going but was it a perfect thing that took place no 30% on the officers 70% on tyreek that we ended up in this situation yeah and i thought the worst thing the cops did was when they went after his teammate and they're like give me your ID right away that was excessive um that was unnecessary and that seemed like a way to feed the ego but overall this whole idea the police officers need to be fired for what you're on leave okay that's protocol maybe you have a talk with them tell

them what they did wrong but to fire them over this i think that would also be excessive i think the biggest villain is the ones that did what we talked about and you and i know all the names within 24 hours turn this into a way to divide America on the basis of race and to villainize police. And that's the real villain in this story. I'm just so tired of these people, because they have no interest

in the facts. None. They have no interest in what happened. They only have an interest in their overarching narrative, and that narrative is inherently divisive, all the more so illustrated by the fact that they have no interest in the facts. They just have a story, and they're looking for other

not incidences, because the You can't call it an incident if the facts don't match the incident. Other excuses to once again issue indictments on America. Well, and this is what I call it. It's pending a conclusion before you have the body of the story ready. They see black male police officers and write the conclusion. This is racist. This is police brutality.

This must stop before actually being able to fill out the body of the story. When you become a journalist, you first learn to never do that. Yet all these very highly paid journalists do that time and time again. All right. Bobby Barak covers sports and politics. This might be a good thing to do with him. I think we can bring the guys in militia in New York into this as well if they want to come in. So yesterday I brought up top five color commentators. We were talking about Tom Brady and where he started and where he has room for improvement.

and it was brought up, well, he's the greatest quarterback of all time, what would it take for him to get to be the greatest commentator of all time? And then it was like, well, who are the greatest color commentators of all time? What's the top five? So here is Bobby the, I just kind of brainstormed it out. Here's the names that we should possibly consider. Jason Whitten, Troy Aitman, Tony Romo, Don Merritt. All Cowboys so far.

Greg Olson, John Gruden, Don Meredith, Merlin Olson, Dan Deirdorf, John Madden. I don't know that I forgot somebody. In New York, two a days. Did I forget somebody? I don't think so. That seemed to be the ones that we saw and everyone was telling us, so I think you're right on there. Okay, that's sort of like the brain story. Sussexman S. I can't, his last name is escaping me.

Not Pat Summerall. Not Pat Somerall. Why not him? No, but he's not the color guy. He's the play-by-play guy. Oh, okay, we're just doing color. Okay, so no, all right, just color. You said Collinsworth, right?

Okay. Oh, I forgot Collinsworth. Yeah, Collinsworth's good. He's really good. He's one of my favorites. Here's a guy. Yeah. Gruden, here's a guy.

I love John, dude. A bunch of listeners, Bobby said, if I put Dan Deirdorf in my top five, And Bobby's too young. I bet Bobby didn't even remember hearing Dan Deerdorf or not. What was Deerdorf? Like 80s and 90s? Monday Night Football? 80s and 90s, probably.

Okay, I have my top five, Bobby. And I'm taking some of my top five on reputation and testimony, meaning I didn't get to hear them much. Do you want to listen to mine and rebut, or do you have a top five color commentators of all time? So I'll name my top funds. So number one, Madden, because of legacy. Number two, like we're going to go Aikman because of the longevity. And I think at his peak, he's been the second best after Madden. He and Joe Buck have really impeccable chemistry.

Number three, this is going to be controversial. But when you go back and watch a Super Bowl from the 90s, there's one voice that you keep hearing over and over again. He does a pretty good job, and that is Phil Sims. it ended rocky, but Phil Sims was very good in the color booth during Super Bowl. So I got Madden 1, Aikman 2, and I'm going to go Sims 3. I'll put Collinsworth at number 4. I think he's not quite as good with Tricco, but with Al Michaels, he was pretty corky, funny, and very insightful. So that leaves number 5, which I think is more wide open, and you can go in a lot of different directions.

But I'm going to say Gruden, because the catchphrases, the accent, his ability to see things from a coach's perspective, I thought is something unique that a lot of the former players don't add. So I'm going to go Madden 1, Aikman 2, Sims 3, Collinsworth 4, and Gruden 5, your list. All right. You've got three in your top 5 that don't make my top 5. below and the only one i would really take issue with his sims i'm just i i listen to sims a lot not a big phil sims guy uh don't hate him just not a big phil sims guy when it comes to the booth not as a person uh just when it comes to the booth number one is is just not debatable it is john madden and everyone knows that he's the best to ever do it now the next two i feel a little bit over my

skis because i wasn't really around to listen to it so i'm taking it on a little bit of testimony it's older than me. But number two is Merlin Olson. Now, I just think that what I like about Olson and what I even remembered Deirdorf and brought it up is I think there is value in the offensive and defensive line guys, like the trench guys. I think they have a way of approaching the game that is inherently entertaining.

And without that, it is coach or, like if you're just valuing positions, it's coaching quarterback to give me X's and O's in depth of it. But that's not, Madden did that a little bit, but that's not what made Madden special. It was boom, you know, and it was bringing personality into the booth and making football fun. You can make it fun, and you can make it smart. The best can make it fun and smart. Now, that brings me number three. This guy's the opposite of Olson.

He was all fun, Dandy Don Meredith. Like, he was, he was just a good old boy, talk about accents, big time, Cowboys quarterback, Monday night football booth. I think Dandy Don was really entertaining. He's not Charles Barkley, but in the vein of a Barclay-esque type figure, you know? And I go back and forth on four and five. And even as I was talking, and I was saying that thing about fun versus making me smart,

I think I'm going to go Romo 4. I just love his enthusiasm, and it's infectious. And I know that it rubs a lot of people the wrong way and what he's doing for some reason. Like, I feel like his star is dimming a little bit from a few years ago. but I see you nod in two a days. I just love his enthusiasm.

He gets excited and I need you to be excited like I'm excited. Yeah, and the way he came in also and just kind of calling things that were about to happen, the way he looked at the game and could see things, how they were going to happen. It was awesome to watch. Like when he first came in, I was like, I didn't like him at all, like as a player, but when he came in, I was like, that is sick. And I love watching this guy and listening to him. So I got to interject here.

My issue with Romo, and this has been pretty well reported, and most people in the industry would say they've heard the same thing. When he first took over and he was immediately the best color commentator and probably all of sports, they talked about how much work he put in in preparation. The word on Romo is the last two, three years, he hasn't really put in the work, that he doesn't spend a lot of time in the week preparing. And that shows up in the broadcast booth when he repeats himself, he gets names wrong. He uses the same phrase over and over again.

I think his lack of preparation, viewers can see and sense that. So to me, that's a major knock on his resume. That's interesting. And let me tell you something Bobby knows behind the scenes, especially when it comes to media and sports. So if that's being discussed, I mean, if Bobby says that, that is being discussed in the industry, I promise you. Number five, I've grown to appreciate him more.

Like, look, I had his jersey, so I was going to be biased. But, you know, just because of that, it didn't voluble. him immediately number one but number five would be Troy Eggman and you know

he's just a little dry but I think over the long haul as he's done this you come to appreciate the authenticity of his I'm just I'm not trying

to do he's not trying to be Tony Romo he's trying to match what somebody else does he's just giving you it's just like a solid pitcher who gives you seven innings

and it may not be strikeout ball but he's only going to give up a run or two and you can win with that. And I've come to appreciate that about Romo, I mean, about Aikman in watching a game. And you're right, Bob, he's been doing it for so long now that he's destined to go down as one of the greatest to ever do this. Yeah, it was interesting about Aikman, and I never really

noticed this when it comes to color commentators as much, but I noticed it on Sunday, and that is, look, in broadcasting originally, voice really mattered. It doesn't matter as much anymore, but it used to. Troy Aikman has a baritone great broadcast voice. Tom Brady does. doesn't. Now, Brady might be able to make up for that in other ways. Kirk Herbst Street certainly has. Yeah, so do I. I think it matters. Aikman has that. Collinsworth has that. Tom Brady doesn't. Herb Street doesn't. Joe Clatt, who does college. Will Kane doesn't. Do you say Will Kane has it? All you have to do does not, does not have it. I mean, all you have to do is host with Ryan Rosillo. for six months and you're going to be like

I feel like the wife in this relationship like your voice yeah two a days has it Barrett White Rusillo has the deepest most testosterone infused voice

now and I'm over here with this nasally Texas George W. Bush thing I got going and it's just not it's not gravitas I will say, you know how you hate your own voice? Yeah.

I don't think I've heard from people the same thing I feel about my voice. I guess people say it is a little unique the way it sounds. It's not generic, but I would offer it's also not Ryan Rosillo. Yeah, I mean, two of days, you know this as well as anybody because you work with Dan Patrick. Is there anybody that has a better voice than him? It does matter. I don't think so. You're scraping around and you hear Dan Patrick's voice, you stop on the day.

dial. Exactly. He's one of the most recognizable voices. He don't need the video for the audio. You know what I mean? It's pretty crazy. What would you just, I mean, I know this is self-indulgent? What would you say about the voice hosting this show? The Wilcane show. It's great.

It's a wonderful, wonderful voice. No, let a rip. Don't you be a kiss ass two a day. That's the last thing I want you to be on this show. Go ahead, Young Establishment, James. I've been listening to it for... This will be authentic, but it could be no, it's... I've been listening to it for at least an hour a day for two and a half years and it's gotten to the point where there's times where it just becomes the inner monologue.

I think, and I think your, your Texas drawl is very endearing and drawing in. It draws he in. So I like the accent. It works. Hold on. Not to, not to be the bear of bad news, but the drawl doesn't really work as well because Trey Gowdy does it so well. Oh, wow. A little bit of appeal at that point. So when he was at ESPN, I agree. That's a different.

Trey's got a different draw. That's that South Carolinian Southern syrupy. Prosecutor. Mine is, my, yeah, prosecutor. That was a good impression. Damn, we just found the one voice that James could do. Holy hell. Mine is more back of your nose, George W. Bush, you know, accent.

Yeah. It's endearing. Trades is a prosecutor. Mine is, where's the John Deere tractor? It's like the difference in British accent. Some sound smart. Some sound like they're a soccer rule again, you know? Yeah, that's right.

All right. We should do that. That's the next top five I want. Best voices. We should do sports and politics. I mean, I almost want to do it right now. Rosillo's a top five are in sports. Agreed?

Yeah. I would throw Dan up there, biously. Uh, Patrick, excuse me, I can't talk about nasely. I'm very nasly. Um, uh, I mean, Rush Limbaugh, best voice ever. You got to give him. Howard Stern. Stern's got a very distinctive voice. Everybody agree? Yep. Yeah. Derr. Um, Dan Patrick. Joe Buck. Yeah. Al Michaels. I don't like Joe's voice as much. You don't? Not really. But it's so, like, ingrained with iconic moments that it almost just has become a gravitas because of what it's been associated. doing sports and we're throwing those guys in, Pat Summerall, to your point earlier, was one of the best voices. I mean, Pat Summerall's voice is transformative to me. It takes me places and, and while we're at it, you know, more contemporary, Brad Nestler is great in college football. Al Michaels. Keith Jackson.

Al Michaels is great. Keith Jackson was awesome. Glenn Beck. Glend back in politics. Yeah. Oh, always. Stick it on sports. Gary Danielson, doing it now, college football. Also great voice. Jim Nance. Hello, friends. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. We've really thrown a lot of names. Basketball, TNT. We're going to have to come up. Marv Albert?

Marv Albert. It's a good one. Oh, yeah. Yes. Let's make a list. We'll do a list and do it another time. It's going to be a long list. All right, let's do that tomorrow. Because, Baldow, I think you have to separate play-by-play guys and commentators. So, like, Dan Patrick's in a different category in Keith Jackson. You don't put them in the same category.

And you don't put Rush Limbaugh in the same category as Donald Trump. So like a political, a politician's voice is a different category than rushes. I love this conversation. We'll figure that out tomorrow here on the Wilkins. Bobby, in fact, let's communicate between now and then because I want your input on what those are. Maybe you should write a column for it on Outkick around this. I agree. I have two days pretty high, honestly.

I mean, hearing his voice, I think he's right up there. certainly of the whole willish i think he is number one sorry will james patrick but uh he's got you beat there i agree i agree his voice makes me feel like a bitch yeah i just don't want less air time for dan for dan yeah if i was hosting a dan i would tell him hey close his mic i'll just start talking like this all right um last story uh with bobby breck here the the so So yesterday we broke it down on the Will Cane show, Newt Gingrich, just here a minute ago, brought up the Springfield, Ohio Haitian migrant story, 20,000 Haitian migrants in a town of 50,000. The viral story going around is there was a lady who ate a cat and there's city council

testimony of a guy where people grabbing up ducks, okay, and eating, you know, resident park ducks. Now, today, the left is calling it a viral hoax. think they've offered up the evidence i don't think political playbook or any of these people saying it have offered up the evidence you know i had this debate with the guys uh patrick dan and james this story and i think we did it right here i don't know okay but i know this two things somebody getting up at a city council meeting and saying something happened in this case a guy saying i saw people eating ducks that's not the word is dispositive that doesn't prove that it happened that's one person's testimony a journalist should require at least one other person to verify it i saw

it too right that's sort of been the standard in journalism in a legal case you'd want even more because just notoriously testimony is inaccurate you know i even eyewitness testimony is inaccurate but it also at the same time is not dismissive you can't be the mainstream media and going well that's viral it's a hoax it's not real because this guy said it i'd apply to the cat eating video as well. The cop with the body cam shows up. There's a dead cat in front of this lady and somebody off camera says she was eating the cat. We don't see her eating the cat. It's the same thing. That's testimony that I can factor in, but doesn't prove that it happened to me. So I think it's weird in this story. You've got some people dismissing what is evidence but not strong enough evidence and

others running with it and saying, oh, it's happening because these people said it happened. Yeah, I'm with you. The people that are dismissing it, they don't have enough evidence to dismiss it. Now, you could argue, well, if we don't know for sure it happened, we shouldn't run with it. But it's a little bit different than calling it a hoax. Like, I would understand, because I've been in a lot of these discussions before with editors, okay, let's not cite this until we know more. But that's not what they're doing.

They are going out of their way to say it's false, but they don't know. that right well and and on the run with it that that's the trick you don't run with it and say this is happening you say there are reports this is happening because that's what those are people saying this is happening are reports this is happening or or you just don't mention it at all if you don't have verification either way it's a big difference between not giving validity to a story you can't verify then coming out and saying hey this this story is a lie. And that's what's bothered me so much about the coverage of COVID is that people would say things and you'd have CNN go on air and say, this isn't true. Well, actually,

we still don't know of some of that stuff's true. You could say, hey, here's what the report say. Here's what the reports say, but we can't independently verify it. There's so many ways to go about it, but to jump in and call the people saying liars is also very dishonest. all right um my phone just died so i don't have people have often said will why don't you listen to your guess i do listen to my guess they're like i'm scrolling my phone i'm not i have my notes on my phone sometimes like for example when i'm listening to nuke get an answer but i know i need to plug his podcast there at the end i start looking up what's the name of his podcast one more time um and what i was just looking at here is during your last answer about i was they're going to

bring up comments from viewers but my phone just died i didn't plug it in last night so um uh we see Your comments on YouTube, on Facebook, the guys, and the Willisha can bring them in. But I also know, I also know, Bobby, you have a mailbag. Is that right? Do you have some things from viewers and listeners here? Give us a couple before we go today on questions you have in your mailbag here on the Will Kane show. All right. This is a good one.

So this is from Corey from D.C. Will and Bobby, what do you make of Nate Silver giving Donald Trump a 64% chance of winning the election and picking him to win? all seven key battleground states. So, Bobby, I don't know if you jumped on at the beginning of the Wilcane should have listed a list of Newt Gingrich,

but he made a prediction this is headed towards Michael Dukakis Territory. Blowout. And Nate Silver's current, it's 60% to your point. I saw the latest electoral map had it.

It's 64 now, which is an even bigger. And the electoral map was, what is it? Like, 226 for Kamla and that puts Donald Trump at like 312. uh what it uh it's two said yeah i don't know uh but it's it's a it's a blowout now the people that are dismissing nate right this is what they're doing they're on the left they're saying he

works for poly markets now which is a betting site which is owned i believe refunded by peter teal i mean so that's an ad hominem motivational attack on on nate silver meaning it's not real he's doing it for these other nefarious purposes i don't have any evidence of that i don't know why that would be the case. Like, why would Nate? Nate, by the way, I'll bet you anything is on the left. His history suggests that.

So I don't know why we should question what he believes to be. I said this yesterday. In modern media, you're always accused of whatever you say is is what you think should be. So if I come on the show tomorrow and I say, Kamala Harris won the debate,

all of Donald Trump, people will be like, Will's in the tank for Kamala Harris. He's a secret rhino and he's a lefty. If I just tell you my analysis of what I think happened, right? It's the weirdest thing to come from the world of sports because I'll be like, the Eagles beat the Packers. And then everybody go, oh, Will just loves the Eagles. He hates the Packers.

I'm like, no, that was the score of the game. Now, I'll give you subjective versus objective. But I'm going to presume that Nate's being objective, that he's describing reality, not rooting for reality. Well, I followed Nate Silver for a very long time when he was running 538 at both ESPN and ABC, now he's independent. A couple of things on that. Silver admits up front that he wanted buying to win and he wants Kamala Harris to win.

He's open about that. Number two, he gives you the measurements and calculations of how his model works. There's nothing in his model that would suggest it's going to lean Republican. In a lot of ways, it actually factors in polling from notoriously left-leaning pollsters. So the idea that he's manipulating the poll in favor of Donald Trump is just not accurate. You can read a substack about his model. There's nothing in there that suggests he even has the ability to do that if he's using the model he claims he's using. Number three, I don't agree with Silver completely. I think it's very aggressive to say that Donald Trump is going

to win Michigan in Wisconsin. I've scoured over all the polls and numbers. I don't believe he's going to win those two states now ultimately if trump were to win pennsylvania it wouldn't matter he would still get like 280 electoral votes if nothing else is turned into an upset but i don't know will i mean looking at michigan wisconsin i don't know where silver is getting the confidence in trump in those two states yeah uh what else do you have bobby this is a good one this is from Brian in South Carolina, speaking of South Carolina, would you guys recommend somebody in college go into sports media or news media?

That's a good one. Yeah. Want me to go first? Yeah, sure. So the big problem here is, first of all, I don't know if I'd recommend going into either one of them because they're both oversaturated and not growing.

But sports media has become increasing. hard if you're not a former athlete. See, it used to be you graduated, you go work for a newspaper, you work your way up, become a general columnist, then maybe you make it and broadcast in. Now, former athletes jump the line so quickly because they come into the industry with name recognition and credibility. You're not seeing a lot of non-former athletes really rise within sports media. So by default, I would have to say news media. I mean, who is the last person to really break through in sports who didn't play. You'd probably have to go back to,

I don't even know, Big Cat, which was probably eight, nine years ago. It's been a while. Well, so, Bobby and I've had a lot of these discussions. News is in a bigger market than sports. It just is. Like, the ratings that I experience on Fox and Friends, and it's funny when people that used to hate me on ESPN

and say you've disappeared, yeah. I mean, okay, my ratings are three times the size of what I experienced on first take, right? First take, everybody watched first take, really? Five, six times. I mean, Fox and Friends is just like enormously bigger than first take. Right.

People don't realize that because there's this relevance online world that makes you think it's different than it is, but it's not. So news is bigger than politics. Sports is easier to be a business. It's more monetizable than, news and the reason that's important is if you want to you're asking as a career so it's got to be a business you're talking about and advertisers will go on to a sports podcast before they'll go

on to a news podcast that's why when you hear news podcasts it's often a lot of the same advertisers because you know Coors Light isn't going to jump to be a part of political content and news content and political content have huge overlap um the thing is I agree with you I mean my sons you know your kids often see what you do and they probably want to emulate you some point i don't think i would advise my sons to do the same thing and it's not because i don't agree with you that it's not growing it's changing and in many ways it's going to be easier to break through but breaking through will just be way different you're not going to be as big right like you're you're not going to be dan patrick like dan patrick is huge and there will not be another dan patrick because you're not

going to break through in the same way that he did so while bobby's right you don't you know you the path to success isn't going to be to break through at ESPN at the same time you could go start a podcast and i know your hundred percent right is totally oversaturated or you could start a ticot or you could start an instagram and i don't know that much about how monetizable all those things are to be real i they're not in my experience they're not hugely monetizable but there's some guys like i follow a guy named nicky cass i think nicky's great uh nick cask but he's more common kind of like interwoven with sports kind of kind of I bet he's killing it off of of Instagram and TikTok I bet he's killing it now um I just think the point is like it's

I don't know what you want in life but that's a tough career to say you're going to map out and go for because there is no map anymore that's the point there's no map on how to do it or break through where there is with finance and real estate and medicine and law and construction and engineering, there's a map. You could kind of say this is the path, even to be an entrepreneur. Yeah, and I would encourage people that want to do something like this. Find a topic that you're passionate about, that you're an authority on, and not a lot of other people are covering.

It could be a fishing podcast, a podcast about how to fix cars, a podcast about cooking. Often it's easier to break. That you would do for free. That you would do for free. free as a hobby right yeah just talking and then watch what it does or sports that is hard because there are so many people doing it uh all right like this is our last mailbag question this is a pretty good one this is a good note for us to end on all right this is from jonathan

in houston guys how many quarterbacks would you start your team around before you pick Dak Prescott. Ooh. Start your team around. So age is a factor. Not really. I don't think so. He's 31.

I mean, today's modern NFL, that's seven years. You could count on seven years of top play. No, I mean, like, I would take Aaron Rogers this year over Dak, but not long term. Oh, the other way. I thought you're going to value the younger guy. But he said build your team around. So you're not going to build your team around. You're not going to build your team around Aaron Rogers.

Right. That's what I mean, right? So I'm eliminating Aaron Rogers from this. I mean, the answer, I'm just, I'm not counting quarterbacks right now. We can. But I'm going to bet it's the same where I have him ranked. I bet it's like, honestly, I bet it's like five or six guys that you would, you would pick ahead of Dak Prescott.

Okay. Mahomes, clearly. I think people would pick Josh Allen. I would pick Josh Allen Although I don't think it's as big of a spread As everybody thinks it is Same thing with Lamar Jackson Like all Lamar Jackson Josh Allen have done

Is go one game further in the playoffs than Dak Prescott To their conference championship game They have a broken through In their defense And their defense they I don't know In their defense they run headlong into Patrick Mahomes Right

Every year But I'll give you those three Stroud I think CJ Strad I did this. Awesome. Now here's the thing about C.J. Stroud. Okay. And like even more extreme,

two of a day, said to this a day, he'd take Jordan Love over Dag Prescott. You were doing it with so little evidence. Like one year of C.J. Stroud. And I'll just remind you, I don't know what happened to the dude and we could joke around about it. But everyone, everyone would have taken Deshawn Watson

over Jack Prescott. And now look at him. Like, he's legitimately a bottom five quarterback in the NFL. And I don't know why, but you are projecting, I know who DAC's going to be for the next five to seven years, okay? The question is, is it good enough? And you don't know. It's like going to the craps table in Vegas with C.J. Stroud and Aaron, Jordan Love,

you're betting on something that is a high probability of swing either way. Well, so here's ride pushback. And this is a bit unfair, but it's just the reality. The same quarterbacks keep winning Super Bowls. If you go back to the past like eight years, I believe only four quarterbacks have won Super Bowls. It's Mahomes three times, Brady twice, Peyton Manning once, and Matt Stafford once. And a lot of that is because of how dominant Brady and Mahomes are. Brady might have even won three in that time span.

So you have to be almost an all-time great to win a Super Bowl in the NFL. There's obviously some exception years like Nick Foles got hot, but those are far, far from the usual. I don't know if Dax's that guy. So part of this is I would take the guy who we think could be versus the guy we know is not that guy. My list of people I would take over Dack. I could be missing people, but just off the top of my head, Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Stroud, Burrow, Herbert. I'd give you Burrow. I'll take Burrow over Dak.

Who was the last one you said? Herbert. So I think Herbert is escaping. I'm a Herbert fan, but I think Dak, the criticism that goes to DAC is not even handed in that it's not applied to other guys like

Justin Herbert. And I like Herbert. I think he's good. But Herbert hasn't even gone as far as Jackson and Allen. And in fact has been on teams with losing records. And does Dak ever have a year with a losing record that he played and wasn't injured?

I don't think he's ever had a record below 500. And actually, as I sit there and sound it out, there's just no way you take Herbert over Dak. You don't have any evidence. And here's one other thing. If you're drafted in the first round, you carry that for a long time. Top five pick like Herbert,

like you're going to keep betting on the, oh, he's going to be that guy, that guy, that guy. And Dak's the fourth round pick. And by converse, he's always given them. You know, it's the reputational stigma that stays from when you came in until you're Brady and you can put it in your past. But Herbert's getting the benefit of all this upside because he was a top five pick. And, you know, he has not proven it in the NFL.

And Dak gets none of it by being a fourth round pick. And he's 12 and 5, three straight seasons, always a winning record. Two and five in the playoffs. I get that. I just don't think it's, I don't think the criticism is applied equally to, to Dack and Allen and Herbert and maybe Jackson. Would you take Dack over Jalen Hertz and Brock Purdy, both of whom took their teams all the way.

The Super Bowl went toe to toe with. No doubt. No doubt. I wouldn't. Jalen Hertz is so much more dynamic. You would take Jalen Hertz over Dack Prescott. Now you're losing credibility. Easily.

He, do you see him Friday night? He can run people over. he's more accurate than Dak. He's won more playoff games. He's had more clutch throws. He's gotten more MVP votes. Absolutely. You can have them.

Fine. This is going to be a fun draft. You can have that. You can have, you can have hurts. You can have, who is the other one you named? Brock Purdy. Oh, come on. Brock Purdy is a Kyle Shanahan creation.

Would you take Tua over, over Dak? No, not Tua. That would take Stafford over there. Why? Why what? He's 35. He's 35 is the difference on the whole Builder team around. I do think not to give Max Kellerman's cliff argument credibility. I don't think it's 40. I think most quarterbacks tail off at about 37, 38, and you have to do the actuarial tables on this if you're picking.

I'm not saying the Dak's better than Stafford today, but I'm saying with Dak, I get seven years possibly. And with Stafford, I get two. Would you take him over to goff? Yes, I would. Yes. You've named four that I agree with. I agree with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and Burrow. Those are the four that I agree with right now,

unless I'm forgetting somebody. You have to put Stroud ahead of them. Stroud in one year than better than DAC ever has been. Nah, nah. Well, one more name. I'll throw up one more name, Caleb Williams. he was awful game one he has one game one one quarterback one

I know so one game is more evidence to what you have which is he was drafted number one overall I'm not a big Caleb Williams guy by the way either in fact I'd probably take Jaden Daniels I'd probably take Jaden Daniels over Caleb Williams

who's you've missed anybody Gino Smith or cousins I'm taking Dackle I mean I'm taking Danyl I would take Dack over Oh geez thanks for that. Oh, geez. I appreciate that. All right. By the way, you can get more of this genius,

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