Will Cain Country - What Will Kill You First: Deli Meat or the Plague? (ft. Kayce Smith)

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Can eating a simple turkey sandwich really increase your risk of Alzheimer's and dementia? It sounds extreme, but recent health warnings suggest processed meats like bacon, sausage, and deli turkey might be far more dangerous than most people realize. Barstool Sports’ Kayce Smith joins Will to react to the shocking health study, the comeback of 90s fashion trends, and a debate surrounding the Kinsey scale and human sexuality. Plus, the crew breaks down an unfolding pneumonic plague outbreak in Russia, dives into the new culture war sparked by the Cornell 7, and reacts to country star Zach Bryan making headlines after wearing a "Free Palestine" shirt during his record-breaking show at Gillette Stadium. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For Deli Me, what will kill you first? Sidney's Queenie's good for business. Let's see if Casey Smith is today on Will Cain Country. Streaming live at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Will Cain Facebook page, always here by following us as Spotify or on Apple. Streaming live from New York City with two of days. Damn. Ellie and Barstools, host of the college football show, Casey Smith.

You had to leave a part out there. What are you talking about? You had to leave Big Noon out. It's okay. We can say it. We can talk about it. We can talk about it. It's over.

It's over. For now. It's over. Halfway through our deal. It's okay. I'm not upset about it. I'm very upset about it. Barstool's relationship with Big Noon kickoff is over.

But Casey Smith is teasing for now. What do you mean for now? Well, nothing's ever fully over. Right, Will? You know this industry. I don't know. you've worked in sports you know people get their feelings hurt for right now he's leading you what he's leading you he he's being kind of rude this morning i will be honest he's he's got

he's got this look in his eye like ellie and fran and i were talking and he was looking at me and i was just waiting for him to say something rude there you're in is in new york kind of bring out a side of you or something i'm not i'm not feeling rude at all i'm not i'm not thinking rude thoughts No, I'm not. No, there's just something in your eyes say you're ready to like maybe argue today. Maybe not with me. Maybe it's somebody else, but I'm feeling it.

Maybe. Maybe. Am I right about something? No, I, no. You can't, this isn't a psychotherapy session. I'm not ready to. Every time I'm on a show with you, it's, I'm psychoanalyzing you. You're psychoanalyzing me?

Yeah, every time. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. What do you think? What are you reading? Well, that's why I asked you when I came in today.

Am I right leaning, my outfit or left leaning? Yes. And I wanted to see what you were going to say because we're completely matching today. We are pretty much comprised. So I wanted to know exactly how far left you thought so then I could then tell you that you're also dressed left because you're in New York City.

So you had to be a little bit cooler being in New York. Will's Dallas dad right now. I am Dallas dad. Yeah. No, I think this is very New York. This is why she doesn't know anything. Yeah. I do know.

Dan, first of all, stop. Yes, I do. This doesn't, this looks like a New York outfit to me for his age. Will? Yeah. Nah. I don't think so. I feel like normally he's in like a golf polo of some sort.

That basically is a golf polo, just a little more upscale. So maybe this is where I'm, I am so different than the brunch crew. Because I don't think that this looks super. You're like Soho chic right now. That's what that is. Yeah, but it's different. You got jeans on. It just, there's things.

Whatever. regardless, I was very interested to see Will's wearing the crown. Will is not, you're not. These are the crown. Oh, oh. I thought you made. Do you know what that is?

No. See? She doesn't know. I don't know what that is. Oh, you guys don't know. What's the crown? Does Ellie know? I only say it's to make fun of myself for the record.

I have no idea you're talking about. You don't know what the crown is? No. Is this an old person thing? It's totally different than mine. No, it's college kids too. The crown. Well, explain it then.

The crown. It's the brand of preppy. It's Peter Millar. Oh, I know Peter Millar. You just didn't want to say Peter Milar. That's why you didn't want to say. I was going to say Roeback. Not my shirt, my pants.

What's the brand of the shirt? It has a C on it. Cricket. Is that also like a preppy thing? Do you know cricket, Dan? I've heard of it, yeah. He gets all like the niche upscaley clothing that most people don't get. I've turned into lately an Instagram purchaser.

Are you serious? Yeah. You get taken by the ads? I do too. I do too. I didn't know that anyone actually did. Yes. Oh, I get,

I get influenced super easily. I just bought some sunglasses from Instagram. And Ellie knows I just bought some jeans from Instagram. That's actually one of the things that was on my list to talk about today. Those are the jeans, the ones that we discussed last time I was in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah.

But they're not jeans. So the 90s are back. That's a big deal. Yes. The 90s. Which, by the way, I mean, I got nothing against the 90s. I mean, I was the 90s. But I don't look back on the 90s and think we were really nailing it when it came to fashion.

Like, we weren't, we weren't like. Grunge was cool. Yeah, that's not the part that's back. I know. Low cut is back, which I hate. Low cut jeans are back? Yes. Wide leg.

Really? Yes. Right, Ellie? Am I wrong? They're so ugly. They're so ugly. I don't like it. I didn't know low cut jeans were back.

It makes sense. By the way, nothing marks the shifting sands of time more than denim. Like, denim tells you where you are. But it's so cyclical, right? It's so, it's really hard to keep up. Like, at this point, the rate of fashion cycles feels six to 12 months. It used to be, okay, these bell bottom jeans are in, and they were going to be in for five years, at least, right?

Whatever. I hate this earpiece you gave me. in. He's not a diva though. I like ribbed. I do too. I didn't have any ribbed in my bad. I just keep having to push it back in and just keep sliding out.

Just pause. Pause. Family program. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but now, I mean, honestly, when y'all were talking, you know what I was thinking about? Please. I was jeans.

I'm wearing Jake for jeans. Fran. I was wearing bell bottoms. Yeah. They're basically bell bottoms. You're wearing very wide straight leg jeans. Yes. Straight's in.

And that's what we bought, Ellie. We bought some straight leg jeans for me. Straight legs good. Yeah? Yeah. Are they wide? No. They're just straight.

Because guys don't, I mean, you guys do, but you... But not like boot cut. If you showed up in like super wide jeans, it would look really weird. That's too young for me. Yeah. But straight. By the way, our favorite comedian, Vince August, just text me. Oh, here we go.

What in the St. Patrick's Day, Shrek and Fiona, am I watching? Yeah. It does look like March 17th over here. Um... I did wonder, is this a little springish what I'm wearing? You need to go a little maroon. Every time you say something like that and then you turn around in like an hour, you're going to be talking about masculinity, you got to pick one or the other.

You got to pick one of the other here. Let me explain to you something. Please. I just say it out loud. I like that. You think that other people don't think these things. Now, you know, maybe it's a little feminine to be going, is this spring or fall? You can do that.

But then you turn around and you. You have very strict rules on what masculinity is supposed to be. Correct. I don't think that's self-defeating. Well, two of those things can't exist. It clash a little bit. Yes, thank you, Dan. No, they don't.

Yes, they do. You can't be upset that Vince August has a tiny little dog, but you're worried if your clothes looks like look too much like April. Well, let's not get crazy here. Yeah, let's not get crazy here. I think you can't do that. I think I think that's fine. You just have to be able to say, listen, sometimes I do feminine things,

and you won't admit that. What do I do that? What do I do? What do I? Sometimes he says some things that are a little bit feminine. That'd be a good segment. That would be. What?

How feminine are you? It's like the Kinsey scale, but the feminine scale? You know, everybody's somewhere on it. The what scale? The Kinsey scale. I don't know what that is. I feel like maybe it's not a Fox News program scale. Dan, look it up and decide.

The Kenzie scale. Yeah. I have to sit here and hold my earpiece in. It can't be that loose. Oh, yeah. It's just a seven-point rating system to measure your sexual orientation. Really? Yeah.

So the whole idea is that it's on a spectrum. Yeah. It's not binary. And you're somewhere on the spectrum. Zero is exclusively heterosexual. You want to take it live on air? But there is a lot of proof that there are like it's very, very rare for anybody to be a zero. Like everyone is somewhere a little bit on the spectrum.

I actually believe this. I could test that. I actually believe this. I said it on the view. You know? what? I said that on the view um feminine

12 years ago 12 years ago that I believe sexuality is a spectrum that I said something different what you just said I do I do believe there are people on the on the polls a spectrum has a obviously sure a bandwidth and the end of each

spectrum I believe there's people in the ends but I mean I don't think it's binary and we've had this discussion on this show I believe I think that the the acknowledgement of that, which by the way, as I'm saying that, I would imagine most people on the left would agree with me. Do you think that's true? A thousand percent. Okay. And it moves. Do you think that people on the right would disagree with me? They would want to disagree, but I feel like deep down, they know you're right. Let's take a quick break, but we'll continue

this with Barstools Casey Smith when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Barstools Casey Smith. Okay. So, all right, so this is what's interesting about it. So you think people on the right would disagree with me that sexuality is often on the spectrum. I'm through often in there because I think people can be on the ends. Yes, I do think the right would disagree with that as a whole. Okay, but the left would agree. Yes. Okay, but then think about this. If that's true, that means, um, okay, so, so, okay, can you reconcile that with the idea, which is popularized by the left, that you're born that way and you don't have a choice.

So I guess you could. You could say you're born at certain points on the spectrum, right? Right. Is that what you would say? Yeah. Okay. I would keep walking down this path. All right.

Would you say that? Well, I don't know. Okay. That's my position on that. Okay. Okay. Then if you are born at certain points of the spectrum, doesn't that then acknowledge that there are choices that you're making along

the way? To be on different positions of the scale? To live out, I guess, whatever you are. Do you see what I'm saying? Yes, because it's the way you feel versus an action. But I do think wherever you are on the scale, you are born somewhere on that scale. But it can go back and forth. Is your Kinsey thing?

I've actually never taken the test. Back that up? I don't know. I just know that the Kinsey scale was a whole thing like in 2018 at Barstool. Everyone was talking about it. I never actually took the test. Dan, do they have an actual test? Let's see.

Okay, hold on. I want to keep exploring this for a second. Not that I want to take it. I'm saying. I was totally on my rundown today. This is what I asked you if we were talking about the Kinsey scale we walked in. You ignored me. Did you really?

No. Oh. I ignore a lot of people. Yes, I know. What? Let's say. that you are in the middle, right? So whatever that scale is,

the spectrum, you're more towards the middle of the spectrum. Okay. Right? So plus one, plus two, in either direction. Let's say you're that. Would that mean that you could choose not to be? I would think so. That you would choose, I mean, not to go back to what we were just talking about,

but even choosing your outfits versus on where you lean. And I think everybody has a choice on what to act on, right? So it's an instinct. I guess? A pull. The way you feel deep down about it, maybe? Well, the same way you feel about heterosexuality, like you're on. No, no, no, no, no.

I feel like that as a talking point cop out. Mm-mm. Oh. You mean, like, did you choose to be straight? What I think that the spectrum requires you to continue to explore is the idea that if the spectrum exists, there are going to be people all over that spectrum, right? Yeah. And then you're making certain choices within that spectrum on how to behave, correct?

Okay. All right. So then Christianity, which says it's wrong, largely, right? Homosexuality says, well, then we want you to choose to behave in these ways, not these ways, right? Right. And then they have things like conversion therapy, which is completely socially inappropriate now, right? Like the main... A hundred percent.

Yeah, but wouldn't that be a logical response to someone on the spectrum and how they behave if you believe something is wrong? And if you think, take it towards any other trait. Okay. Right? Any other trait, right? So what's something else? Adultery. Christianity would say adultery is wrong.

Right? And you could say, well, certain people have certain pulls or predilections and the, the, the ability to or inability to withstand the pull of adultery exist on a spectrum. I feel like that's a smaller spectrum than sexuality. What do you mean a smaller spectrum? Like the variation of if you act on it or not is very much closer to each other. You're either acting on adultery or you're not. Now there's some things in the middle.

Well, but you could say, no, that's not the point. You went straight to the action. What about? You mean like the instinct to want to? Correct. Okay. Some people more, some people less. Okay.

Right? So if that's the case, some people more, some people less, then you would try to argue with them or persuade them not to. If you think it's wrong. Yeah, but I do feel like conversion therapy normally is when someone else forces somebody else to do it. I think people have traits and there's all kinds of traits, right? Okay. And if we say, well, some traits are wrong, and I'm not saying right now what I think. I'm saying if Christianity says this trait is wrong, wouldn't you go about trying to encourage not to act on those traits?

And so what I'm saying is if you acknowledge that sexuality is on a spectrum, you're acknowledging it's a trait and some people have the trait harder or stronger than others, then what is wrong about trying to persuade some not to enact on those traits? because it's not that bad what's wrong but you can make you kind of make that argument about any trait sure but this one isn't I mean what's wrong

I don't see what's wrong with it but Christianity articulates why I thinks it's wrong yeah right sure but you but that's for yourself you're going straight to how you feel and that's fine

I'm not arguing anything that I feel you understand yeah I'm just trying to pursue the logical disconnect that I believe exists in the mindset right now of how we treat this like if you feed it

You don't have to, right? Correct, right. If you make an analogy, people don't like the analogies because every other analogy I would use would be somebody to go, well, that's wrong. Lying or drinking or substance abuse or adultery. They go, well, what are you talking about? Sexuality. But no, Christianity would say they are. It is wrong.

So it would put them in the same bucket. And if you're agreeing that the bucket, you have to submit for the sake of this argument that all those things belong in the bucket. Otherwise, your argument is with Christianity, not me. Correct? Right? Don't have the argument with me. Have the argument with Christianity. All I'm saying is, if it is in that bucket with other things to say wrong, wouldn't you treat it like, and it's not a binary, it's not a binary, because the point of the binary is you have no choice, therefore you have no agency, there's no persuasion involved, there's nothing you can do, correct? But that's where I can't even get on the same page of they're all in the same bucket, because I think even like cheating on your spouse is different because it depends on the relationship that you're in. in versus what's inherently inside of you. Yeah, but I don't think you're born like, I'm just a cheater. Do you, oh, you don't? You have the propensity for it.

Some people probably are born with. Oh, I don't know. I think those things, that's more, that's more nurture. That's more nurture. That's nature versus nurture. I don't think like a newborn baby is like, well, this guy's just destined to cheat on his wife one day. How about lying?

Do you think people are, some people born lying more than other people? If they grow up around liars. No, no, no. I think it's just, you just, you made it all environmental. I don't think it is all environmental. I think it's a huge factor. I think it's very nature versus nurture, which is where a lot of these things fall somewhere,

and there's just no right answer. Nobody knows the answer. Not even you. So therefore, therefore, all I'm saying is the thing that has been so vilified, conversion therapy. I have no idea. Shouldn't be so vilified. I don't know how it was never not vilified, though.

I think it's, I think it's, because it's not, it would be different. Conversion therapy is the idea that you bring someone in on something. It could be on anything, okay? But obviously everybody knows it as this. But like you're doing something wrong. What's the difference between conversion therapy and Alcoholics Anonymous? Alcoholism destroys your life and it kills you. But Christianity would say the same thing about homosexuality.

You keep going back to rejecting the premise from the beginning, which isn't an argument with me. With Christianity. I'm not looking to have a theological debate. But we can't disagree. that is what Christianity says, right? Probably most world's major religions do. But they say that. Now, there are other denominations that don't?

Yes, there is. But on the whole, on the average, it does. I'd like you to be able to have this conversation without rejecting that premise. That's a separate. That's a separate conversation. Do you see what I'm saying? That would be a theological conversation,

which I'm not having. I'm not having that theological conversation. I'm arguing how you treat something that is deemed to be theologically wrong. And conversion therapy has been vilified as this horrible thing, but what I'm telling you is, isn't it exactly what you would expect from a, you know, ideology, religious belief, whatever, that says anything's wrong.

Try to help you not do that. Yes. And if sexuality, to bring this full circle, what I'm getting at is if it's on a spectrum, It only makes it even more sense. Right, but somewhere along the way, culture, society, whatever word you want to use, made it to be where it was forced upon somebody against their will. That's usually what it seems like it is.

Oh, well, that's, that's, you're talking about, like, parents. Yeah, like, I feel like that, that's where that has changed so much because it's not, normally, at least the way it's portrayed, is that it's not somebody says, oh, I'm born homosexual, I need to go get help. It's I'm born homosexual and someone else wants me to get help. So it's then forced upon you. Well, again, that's tough because it's like if the parent believed the kid was doing something else they thought were wrong, they'd seek out help to try to get them. But you know what I'm saying though? It's become a negative thing because it's not like where your difference with alcoholics, anonymous is normally even if someone's forced into rehab or whatever,

that they're choosing to be an AA. They're choosing to do the steps. They're choosing that for their life. where with this specific topic, it's normally they are not choosing that type of therapy. Yeah, well, I don't, that's, that's, that's, I think that's where the difference is, at least from like a cultural standpoint. Maybe, maybe. Let's just find out how, how sexual you are.

Yeah, you want to take the test? Sure, I'll take it. No. The first question, I couldn't even read on here. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't actually know there was a full test when I brought up. I know there was a, like, that was a topic of like,

where do you think your coat, by the way, just a completely different. 2018 at Barstall Sports. Like, can you imagine walking around Fox News? Like, so where do you think you land on the Kinsey scale to like all your coworkers? I think that's what we did. I would love it. I know.

Well, you, yeah, you are a different type of personality. It's done by medical doctors. That's fine. It's not like a. It's an actual study. It's not just like it's. Oh, I'm sure. Science.

But they, but we would. We would walk up and be like, so where do you think like Brandon Walker is on the Kinsey scale? That became a whole thing. So that's why it's stuck in my brain right now. Interesting. Yeah.

So you guys use it derogatorially. No, Oh. Well, it depends. It depends. It depends. That's just a mean, peer-pressured version of conversion therapy. No.

I would like it very much on the record that if my co-workers are all the way on the homosexual side, I'm okay with it. But it was a question, but it was 2018. It was pre-cancel culture. You can say things like that on the internet. Okay, we've got a case of the bubonic plague breaking out in Russia. Did you know that? You said you didn't know what we were talking about. about today. I didn't know what we were talking about. I saw that we're getting locked down in Russia

for the plague. Jack Mack. Shout out Jack Mack. I saw his video about it. That's where you got your news. It's where I get most of my news. No, it's always at the top of my algorithm. But I mean, once you watch one video on X, everything is about it. So I watched one video and now all I can see is what's going on in Russia. Biggie up. OKC. Next, please. I guess he was done with the sexuality talk. I'm trying not to read the chat. Why? Because I get very one-track-minded. It's like, I... All you'll think about is that. All I'll think about is what they're saying. It's very, it's not a good trait that I have. Yeah, that's not. It's not a good trait. I know. You have rabid ears, don't you? No, I used to. I used to. Casey, be honest with yourself.

Not anymore. I can't. If I had rabbit ears, I wouldn't be sitting here, Will. If I had rabbit ears, I wouldn't be in Fox News at all. We've talked about this. Let's just see what they're saying about you. That's so mean. Corn Pop says, the hot. us women in my life were tomboys. I'm not sure that's about you. I don't think it's about me. I'll take it. I'll take it. I have been described over my life as a tomboy,

but I don't think he was talking about me. You're just reading that? That's pretty awesome. She's in love with me. Who's they talking about? Is this a crit? Corn pop. Shout out corn pop. Neumonic, pneumonic bacterial, not viral.

Bubonic plague one 28 year old worker in a lab in Russia in Siberia got it died within a week now 200 people are on lockdown multiple hospitals they're looking into and people are worried about this

bubonic plague you know spreading pneumonic pneumonic bubonic right is that different can you can you man is like pneumonia I thought that was a form of bubonic plague though and meaning it's it's not

it's spread through the air. It's not aerosolized, though. It's not like I breathe on you and you get it. It's a drop-less. Yes, it's the same. You're right. So, like, spit. Yeah. This isn't good, is it? Are we about to 200 people? Right, I'm about to say COVID was that way.

COVID wasn't like breathe around me. But we were made to believe it was. The droplets, right? Wasn't it? Like, the droplets thing is weird, don't you think? What is that? Is that like, cough? You're talking. I mean, when you're talking, there has to be some sort of droplets.

right? Isn't that how like breath works? That's what the mast did. No kidding. If back in the COVID day for real, I'm serious Casey and I in here, would we give COVID to each other, do you think? Yes, 100%. Why though? It's not air-slised, right?

Well, we're closer than six feet, Will. We had to be six feet apart. That was the whole thing, remember? That was real. There's no way droplets are right here. Then how did you get it then? Huh? Then how how did you get it then? Shaking hands. No.

wasn't on contact. But remember? No, I'm saying, oh. You know. I think, I think breathing the same air at one point, they said was a problem.

That's what aerosolized means. Well, I know, but that was what we were made to believe that you just had to be six feet apart, which still makes no sense. Through the air via tiny respiratory droplets and aerosol particles released when an infected person breathes, talks, coughs, or sneezes.

So yeah. So, yeah. It's droplets through the air. So just existing in the same room. And the doors closed. There's no ventilation. We're big time. trouble.

What was the show? I know it's going re-viral again. Was it, I don't think it was the view. What was it where they were doing that they were hugging each other through the plastic arms? Do you remember what I'm talking about? No. It was like a daytime talk show.

It was one of the big ones. And like they were during COVID, they were hugging each other through like they would stick their arm. Like if you and I were sitting here and we wanted to hug each other, we'd have to stick our arms through plastic and hug. And that was a normalized thing. Yeah. And then I saw, remember Lori Lightfoot came out as a.

aerosol can of the cleaner. Do you know what I'm talking about? You don't like the view, like a daytime show like that? Yes. And they were hugging through plastic. And they had like a plastic. They were like so happy they could finally hug each other. And I saw Spencer Pratt was the one that retweeted.

He was like, why are we still acting like this was even remotely normal? Like this was what was going on only six years ago. And it's very embarrassing that that's what we thought was normal. So the bubonic plague is not going to be a global pandemic. It cannot. even the pneumonia type, pneumonic bubonic plague. The reason why is, I saw somebody talk about this, but I remember it during COVID.

A virus, in this case it's not a virus, it's bacterial, has to be in the sweet spot. If it's too deadly, it can't spread around the globe. Okay. Because it kills the host too quickly, before the host can spread it enough. Oh, that is interesting. So it has to be in the sweet spot between transmissible and deadly.

Okay. So the more transmissible something is, the less deadly it is, usually. So like the flu, just regular flu, super transmissible, but it doesn't kill you because everybody can walk around alive infecting more people. Right. That's fascinating. But if it killed you dead, then it would limit the number of people that you could spread it to. Makes sense. Right?

So the biggest fear is something that sort of hits in the middle. And during COVID, we used to know this term, but I can't remember what the term was for the number of days that you can have it without knowing that you have it. Is incubation? Incubation period? Maybe that's what it is. I think it is. So this isn't it. But whatever it is that comes along,

and you've got to presume. Because part of this story is, is this a bio-weapons lab? Now, the... Anti-plag laboratory. They're saying it's a civilian lab in Russia, but apparently the FSB, which is like the KGB,

modern-day KGB, they're super involved. They're all over this, what's ever going on right now, which is raising red flags. So, but the point is, there are clearly these labs in Russia. There's these labs all over the place. China. I mean, I would suspect that the United

States has a hand in some labs, if not here, at home, somewhere across the globe. Working on, you know, gain a function, you know what gain a function is, right? Yeah, remember, you've learned that through COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that a bad thing? Gain a function? Well, that's the ethical debate. There are some that believe that it's not a bad thing. Right. The idea of gain this function is we soup up viruses so that if they occur naturally, we We can fight them. We've got the response to it. It's a weird thing, though, because why do you think that'll occur naturally?

You're the one manufacturing it. But they know they're going to be manufacturing it, so then they're trying to look like the good people to fight something they've already created. Right. Right. Well, they believe they're the good people. I'm not going to rob them. No, no, no. They do.

Well, we had this whole discussion with Fauci. Are you playing with something too dangerous? Right. Right. And their argument is we're playing with it because we want to get ahead of it actually happening. Well, that was the whole thing this summer with Dr. Fauci was like, Do you believe that he knew he was purposely lying to people? Or did he really believe he was helping people and then was lying?

Those are two different things to me. The lying part for Fauci is that we weren't supposed to be doing Gana Function. We have a law in the books that we're not allowed to. Right. But he, Obama passed it. And then was he directing funds to China to do it, you know, as a workaround? He, bad person.

But I do think that there was certain points, maybe even early on, that he thought he was doing right. Let's say a quick break, but we'll continue this with. with Barstools, Casey Smith, when we come back on Will Cain Country. All right, I think we're back after some technical difficulties. We appreciate you hanging out here as you jump back into the stream here on Wilcane Country hit. The Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. We're back? Yep, we're back.

Okay. All right. We're just looking at the ceiling now. Sitting here talking about bubonic plague and all of a sudden we go out. I know. I think we got a cut, yeah. The overlords got us. Russia was listening.

got us. Russia was listening. Yeah. Russia got us. Yeah. I had a really dumb medical question to ask you that I was going to ask you to mansplain. You said that it's not a virus.

It's... Bacterial. Can't you just take antibiotics for that? Not for viruses. No, I know. But if it's bacterial, if that's what this is right now... Right. Can they just give the guy...

Yes. Okay. And you can't. So it's not near as serious. Right. I think that's right. Like, I mean... That's always what I've been told.

Not every bacterial infection is just going to respond to antibiotics. But you can help it. It's back. It's bad. It's not. Like, I used to get strep throat as a kid all the time. And it was like, well, I'm actually happy to know it's strep because then you can take antibiotics. You can't, you don't have to just like thug it out.

Yeah, but I don't think it's just not like, oh, you got antibiotics and therefore you're cool. But it's better. But that, well, that was why I said it was a dumb question. I needed to know exactly. Because when it's like, when I take my son to the doctor and she's like, it's a virus, I'm like, well, crap. Now we're all going to have it. where if it's bacterial, let's get him on antibiotics. Get me on antibiotics will be fine.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I was like, just give the guy that's in quarantine, give him some antibiotics, see what happens. Did you know that? Did you know that? I did not know that.

I did know that when I was pregnant, deli meat was basically Satan, according to the world. I knew that. My wife's into health stuff and she's always telling me that stuff will kill you and is killing us. And the new study is out that says we're getting dementia and Alzheimer's at an earlier age.

I did not know that because of deli meat. If you eat deli meat twice a week, 25 grams, I don't actually know how much that is. 25 grams feels like one sandwich. Yeah. That's not a lot. That 25 grams of meat cannot be that much. 25 grams isn't very much.

Right. But this also includes bacon and sausage, any processed meats. I'm not big on deli meat. I'm not big on, that's a big, That's that it's not just in New York. 25 grams is one to one slice. One or two slices. One slice?

That's right. Yeah. Really? Yep. It feels as if that is a scare tactic. There's no way that's true. Deli meat's been a thing for a long time. Well, so is Alzheimer's and dementia.

Yeah, but I feel like that's Alzheimer's and dementia has probably been prior to deli meat, no? I don't know. Are we saying that deli meat is now the cause of it? I think, I don't think it's the cause, but increases the likelihood is what they're saying. Well, that's everything. I mean, having my phone sitting next to me is... Solfates and nitrates and all that stuff in it they do to the meat, which includes, like I said, sadly, bacon.

Highly carcinogen. Well, that too. At this point, everything is bad for us, no. Everything. Well, I heard a cardiologist literally said, don't eat delamete. It could block your arteries. That's how bad it is for you. So now you've thrown in the arteries, too.

Yeah. Cancer, arteries, Alzheimer's, dementia. Basically everything. So I'm going to go home and throw away all of my deli turkey that I have. Do you buy it? Oh, I love, I love deli turkey. I don't eat it a lot. Just get the real turkey.

Can I do, I don't like it because it's slimy. And it gets slimy really fast. You have to eat it very fresh. It shouldn't be slimy. And the slimy thing, you're like, this is. You eat sausage, though, no? Like a good jalapeno cheese sausage? Oh, like at a barbecue restaurant?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well. Yeah. Dementia. I know, I know. Dementia. You say everything, but the truth is, it's also intuitive.

You know it. You know it when you're eating it. That it's not that good for you? I think there's something in your head saying, you know this. I don't think I'm eating it and giving myself Alzheimer's at all. Like that, that's now a new fear that you've unlocked in my head. I think repeatedly over years, maybe. I think we know what's healthy.

Deep down. There's a difference in knowing that it's healthy. I think you can even look at it. I think you can look at said food item. Well, no, because. So that said food item is pretty good. Okay, where do you land on steak then? Because it depends on who you talk to.

Because a lot of people say too much red meat's really bad for you. If it's pumped with hormones. Yeah. But that was back in the day. Well, that was the lobby against red meat. But that's, I feel like. Clestrel is not real. Or listen, I love a good glass of wine.

Some days they're telling me wine's good for your heart. Other days they're telling me it's going to give me dementia. The wine thing is every other day. It's every other day. It's a difference. Coffee. You know alcohol is not good for you. It's poison.

It's ethanol. Yes. But some studies will come. come out and tell you the opposite. I mean, I can't speak to the studies. There's a study for everything. Back to the Kinsey scale. I think that you can actually look and know.

I think we all have that instinct. That is good food. I'm not talking about taste. Taste is what screwed it all up. They made things taste good. I'm talking about you can eyeball something and go, that's good for my health and that's bad for my health. Yeah, as a whole.

But then there's the whole thing of like if you just eat a salad with just lettuce, you're actually not getting any nutritional value, but you would say it's good for you because it's not french fries. It's not everything you need. No. I'm just saying, is that a food that would kill me or is bad for me or is that a food that's not? But that's where deli meat kind of teeters on the line.

Because it's like, because it's protein. You know, you got a turkey breast or a chicken breast. And you look at it and you're like, that's healthy. I know that. Yeah, that's. And they're like, they're just slicing it like this. Correct, yeah. But they're not just slicing it like that.

No, but they are. They're doing other things to it. Well, yeah. But they do a thing. I mean, unless you're just eating just raw fruits and vegetables or like going outside, slaughtering your own cow and cooking it. Whole foods. Right.

But even whole foods are manufactured. Yeah, it's hard to find real whole foods these days unless you're going to like a farmer's market. Right. Because it's, yeah. They're pumping and full stuff. It's just more cost effective to put. Like you don't think you're going to actual whole foods.

You know, walk right down Madison Avenue real quick, getting some fruit and that's just a whole food. Because they've done stuff for the fruit? Yeah. Yeah. The tomato should be huge. That's, Apple should be that big. Baby carrots aren't,

they don't grow that way. Are you watching Traders? No, I'm not. I am. I'm not. I have, are you? So good.

Will it let me think about it. I just saw the trailer. It's like, whoever he tosses the apple to is whoever dies. I would just kill at traders. You would be really good at it. You'd win.

I would just. And I, isn't this, I haven't watched any of this season yet. I actually think I wouldn't because people would all think that. What you just said, Will's manipulative or he knows what he's doing. So you got to get you out.

Yeah. And what did I see this interesting thing that made me think about? The more you explain and persuade, the more guilty you look. So it's like... Yes. You have to have a fine line. You're defensive. Well, not even defensive.

Aggressively communicating. Well, listen. That's why your boy did so well because I never say anything. I'm about to say. That's why Rob was so good at it. It's not my boy. I don't know. Even if you figure out who the three traders are and you know for a fact, you can't say it.

You just can't. Because they'll kick you out. Yeah. It's a great show. It's the only one I'd go on, I think. Although the thing is I've never done a reality show. You've done a lot of reality shows. What?

Just one. Barstle versus America? I thought you did the dating the Barstall-Vagestal thing. You thought I did that? Surviving Barstool? I did not. I purposely say out of those because I feel, so I was going to say, this new traitors, isn't it? They're all regular people.

They don't know each other, right? Right. So those shows, I feel like I would be better at. When you put, for example, at Barstool, everyone also still has to work together. So you're stabbing each other in the back on this show for what they do, $250,000 cash prize, and then they have to go work together. I could never do that. You're saying you could. Well, I've played a lot of mafia, which is traitors.

I know my strengths and my weaknesses, and my weakness is that I am overly aggressive in persuading and arguing. and I think that would work against me. You have to lay back. You get frustrated with other people how I've done there. Yeah, that happens too. Like the minute somebody was getting it wrong, and I'm not even a traitor, and I'm explaining to them why they're getting it wrong,

I would get in cre-I wouldn't be Michael Rappaport. I wouldn't do that. Well, no one would be him. It would get frustrating, and then I'd be the enemy. Right. That's the problem. But you could also persuade enough people to be on your side to stay protected for a while.

Maybe. But you, you know, I said that. Undergrip's with our own limitations. You give things away with your eyes. Me? Yes, when you're thinking something. You're doing it right now. You do get like a little bit of a dead stare.

Yeah, or like a little like glimmer, like where he has something that he's going to use to his. Ellie's agree. You know what's funny about somebody saying that about you is it's not something that you would know about yourself very well. Because when you look in the mirror, you're saying, you know what I mean? You don't see your eyes change in the way that other people see your eyes change. you know what I'm saying. Do you notice it in the program feedback on TV? I don't, I don't watch. You don't see, I don't either. But I, but when I, no, because I don't watch myself either. I don't look at myself. I'm looking at whatever else is on the screen. But when I watch you, I can tell how

you're feeling about whoever you're interviewing because of your eyes. Really? Yes. Ellie and I have talked about this. I could tell when you're about like an outburst at someone. Yeah. Or, or when you're incredibly bored with them. That's not good. That's not good. Right. Are you good at poker or not. I'm not going to use any examples, don't worry, but there are definitely times where it's like, oh yeah, he's done with this interview. There's tells? There's definitely tells. Yeah.

And it's, and you don't, your face might not move at all. It's your eyes. I don't think anybody's watching because our stream went down. Oh, they're watching. My face double the audience. The, the, can I ask you guys a question? I'm not

expressive with my face, right? Like, there are people who are very, like, their face. And I always wonder, Is that natural or do they practice that? Like I don't make a lot of like expressions with my face. I don't know. You furrow your brow. No, it's it's your 11s.

We've talked about this too. Yeah. It's your 11s. Your 11s give it away. Sorry, my phone's going crazy. I don't know. Because you think you're like, huh? Why don't you put it on silence?

It is on silent. It is on silent. Professional broadcasting there. Kind of. Yeah. We're doing our best. I'm doing my best here. No, your eyes give it away more than your,

but you, but over the top facial expressions, I feel like aren't practiced unless it's somebody, like Michael Rappell. Appaport, I feel like just naturally is that over the top where some people think they need to be, Jesus Christ, sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, I shouldn't have said that either. Yeah, you shouldn't have said that. Do not take the Lord's name in advance. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now that the stream is back and people are coming here. We're good. We're done this story. And I am into this story, admittedly. What do you think about the Cornell 7? Don't do. Are you actually asking me that? Are you trying to like trap me and say something right now? I'm not trying to trap you. I'm actually asking you. I feel like we're very much. I'm very much. I'm. I feel like we're very much. I feel like we're very much. I feel like we're. I feel like we're. I feel like we're very much. I feel like we're. I feel like more, the real story is very much more in the middle than is even interesting to say on TV or podcast or whatever. I feel like everybody feels like they have to take a stance one way or the other. You have to be either pro the girl or pro the guys. What do you mean in the middle?

That I think that there, I think it was a blurry line. I think that there was, first of all, everyone in the story is involved in some way more than just it was absolutely a rape or was absolutely not. And I feel like the hot thing to do right now is to stand on either side and not actually take the nuances of probably what happened. So what probably happened? I don't know. I wasn't in the room. I think that there was probably some consent up to a certain degree and then it spiraled out of control. That's what I think. So right. So if it spiraled out of control, you're saying into the realm of not consent. I don't know if, but I don't know if, like, to get super, you know, graphic about it. I don't know if that means there was like actual penetration involved. I don't know if there was enough people that

came into the room decided not to be there. I don't know who said yes, who said no. I feel like right now in this day and age on social media, anything has to be. one side or the other all the way. And if you even try to wander into the middle of the road and say, well, you know, it was probably wrong for them to send those things in the Snapchat. It was probably wrong for them to say,

like, hey, free whatever. Probably wrong to send photos. But maybe she was okay with a couple of the guys. I don't know. I wasn't there. But if you say that... But that's the point. Right.

We don't know. Right. But I feel like if I say that, then I'm not... Like, people say, well, you're just being wishy-washy. You're being middleman. It's like that's the truth.

I think you're... I don't know who. who you're reading, and I don't know if you put me in one of these categories, but I don't think you have characterized the debate fairly. I don't think there are people, to the extent that people are 100% the boys' side, it is only because of the injustice of now labeling them as criminals. Oh, I disagree. Maybe it's the algorithm I live on then.

Well, I don't think anybody's defending the boys in their behavior. Nobody's saying these boys did good things or... No, but I think they're defending... They're saying they were just having a wild sex night. well okay but that's what the evidence points towards so and this is important because the issue isn't one of morality like i think if you said was that a moral night would you endorse that would you right i think you're going to get close to a hundred percent condemnation maybe not a hundred but you're going to get close to it i think it depends the thing that and i i don't know what i'm saying is

is is there's a bright line in here Even though you're going in the middle, I actually think the middle ground you're staking is very common. A lot of people have this position. Not publicly, though. I don't agree with that. Really? Yeah. I think even, so take me.

I have been probably one of the boys' biggest defenders. But I don't, I agree with everything you said. The Snapchats, the messages, the behavior itself. No, horrible. Would be incredibly ashamed if that were my sons, right? Right. Um, more than ashamed. Like, we have to figure some things out. Punish the fraternity. Punish the, even if it's all consensual. That's not what you want on your college campuses.

You do not want drugs and orgies. Okay. The bright line is the consent thing. That's it. And so to your point of like, it's really hard to know, then all you can do is go with the evidence that you've been provided. Well, I think that that's where this, because this obviously happened a couple years ago, now it's being reopened. I mean, you're a lawyer. I am not. So you could tell me. I think, and maybe this is a cop out to say this, I'd rather just see it go to trial. I'd rather just see it play out because the evidence seems to be, depends on who's providing the evidence. It depends on who's reporting on it. If there's somebody that wants to believe that she was raped, then they're going to provide this evidence. It's someone who wants to say, hey, she consented to all seven guys, 52 guys in Snapchat, whatever. Let's just bring it all under

one room and say, okay, then let's actually figure this out. There's no allegation of 52 guys, by the way. The Snapchat. Wasn't it 52 guys in the group? Got the message. That didn't mean they did anything. No, I'm saying in the Snapchat messages is what I'm saying. Like I'm saying that every number you see, it just depends on whose side it's supporting. So bring it all together and let's actually let it play out. Just for the sake of clarity, even in her own allegation, I believe it's only four guys. Now her attorney is saying stuff like I've seen the interviews where he's saying don't even know how many guys.

Her point in the Snapchat is none of them did anything and they're still kind of culpable in that way. You know what? Or vice versa. Or they shouldn't be. You're provided a narrative. I'm not saying that, but I'm... You're provided a narrative. And it's the initial narrative, which is her civil complaint.

And that narrative frames everything, okay? So you just said, which is part of the narrative, this is why people go after 57 dudes. Well, they didn't do anything. And what kind of guys... So everyone says. What about this? Well, the latest evidence suggests that two of them did do something.

They went upstairs to see if it was all on the up and up. and when she said yeah it's all in the up and up this is all I think the exact words is according to the boys now this is one size testimony is we're all consenting adults here her words and this was normal in medieval times okay

those two dudes leave don't like it went in to make sure everything's okay she says we're all consenting adults here they're not into this they leave go to McDonald's I don't think they went together I think one of them went to McDonald's now they're part of the Cornell 7.

They're called rapist. Right. For doing the thing you're saying that nobody did. And they would be found guilty right now in court. Huh? They would be found guilty right now in court, I'm sure. If it went right now? By jury?

Yeah, just by public opinion, they would still be tied to this. In a courtroom? I see, I don't agree with that. The thing about the courtroom is, I don't know, you know, like, after Lindsey Clancy and everything else, I don't know what kind of jury pool you could get. That's what I'm saying. But to your point is one thing you said, it shouldn't go to trial. There's not enough evidence.

And that's why the DA didn't bring charges. There shouldn't even be charges. There's not enough evidence. But can you, like, and this is where maybe it's just like being pessimistic and negative about the way these things have been handled. Because, I mean, you're in Texas, you understand. Like when the Baylor football situation went down and when there was, you know, the conversation about the culture of Baylor football and everything that was going on under Art Bryles.

And that it was covered up by the university because it's a private university. I can't remember the details on. this, but tell me if I'm wrong, didn't that later come back that those things actually didn't happen? No, I think that it came out that it did. That covering up. Yes. I mean, our Brials has never been able to work in football again. Now, Kendall is. I know, but there, I'm not, I'm going to stay out of this, the Baylor thing, because I don't have the details. I'm not, and I'm not reporting these. What I'm saying is when that was going on and it then came out that the university did shield that because it's a private university that it didn't have, it wasn't in, you know, state university.

You can find out all of that stuff. I'm just using that as example, because I, not lived through it, but I lived in Texas when that was going on. It was a big deal. That the thought process a lot of times is that when these major things happen, Florida State, James Winston, whatever it may be, that it's usually your thought process, whether it's fair or not, is that somebody's going to cover up something because they don't want the press on it. I'm not saying that's what's happening at Cornell, but I do think that that's a narrative right now where it's like, well, they didn't want to take it to court. They didn't want to do it's because they didn't want the attention that this was going on on their campus. The campus,

that doesn't jive with the facts. But that's the name. that people then put out there where it's like, yes, what you're saying seems to be correct. They didn't take it to court. There weren't any charges because there wasn't enough evidence. That's not a normal talking point for social media. They're not going to look and say, well, yeah, I mean, it was consensual so we can just keep it moving. So they're going to say Cornell wanted to to cover it up. Dan, am I right? That's usually. However, it's the Cornell case that they're leaning on. The statement is to Cornell and the Cornell police. It's the district attorney who is not affiliated with the university who chose

not to bring charges. So why, so, so he's covering up for the university and they weren't even covering up for themselves? But that's, that is what the general public narrative usually falls around anytime it's a, a university and then a woman comes forward against multiple men or whatever for whatever. Blame starts there. Yeah, like it starts there. It's like, well, they're, they're protecting the men. They're protecting the patriarchy. The problem with all that is it always operates. first thought is the presumption of guilt. Yeah, in these cases. And then you start building this house on top of that presumption.

They're covering up. When you have to go back to the first step, what if they're not guilty? Then is the university covering something up? Then is, or were they doing what they felt was just and right? Boys don't seem to be guilty. The evidence isn't pointing to that. But that's not the way that like the social media mob works. Well, I'm not, yeah.

So when you ask me the way I feel about it, it is. It's one of those things like at 37 years old as a mother I sit here and I have what I would like to believe is that it went awry and that there wasn't any nefarious wrongdoing. But then you're reading things and you're seeing things. They're like there's somewhere in the middle and we're never going to know the truth. But what I do know is that these seven guys, I'm not saying all 52 or I'm just saying that number keeps coming out. Like their lives are forever changed and she, this girl's lives forever changed. life is forever changed. We will never know the truth.

It's somewhere in the middle. It has to be. Yeah. I mean, we'll never definitively know. No. No. All we can do is follow the evidence. But that's why I'm saying then if this is going to be.

And the most compelling evidence to me is the way that she behaved in the weeks afterwards. That's the most compelling. But don't you then understand. Her texts, her desire to go back. Nothing you did is illegal. That text. I want to come back to the Halloween party. when confronted by sorority sisters

said they're calling you slut, she says, I am a slut. When says, you know, we're all too uptight about sexuality. I mean, these things carry weight. Right, but there's also, and I'm just presenting the other narratives too, is that then there's the thought of like,

was she doing this because she liked the one guy or loved the one guy and felt like she needed to keep him around? Because then there's that where she says, like, I love you, King. Like maybe not five million guys in ketamine next time. And it's like, okay, well, does she feel pressured that she can't?

can't tell on his buddies. There are all these different narratives that come out. I'm not saying it's true. Trauma responses. Yeah, trauma responses. Everyone's picking it apart, which is why it'll never happen, but I wish it would just play out in court.

So we can actually know because everyone's going to find a way to poke depending on what side you tend to lean on. Yeah. Like there is a woman out there who has been sexually assaulted in that way and has gone through something and felt like she couldn't tell somebody. She's inherently going to. And there are also dudes out there that have been falsely accused. Correct.

On either side. all across the spectrum. There's somewhere in the middle, so you're going to inherently lean towards what you think actually happened, and no one actually knows. See, everybody thinks, like, if you take my position,

well, Will's done something in his life, or Will's taking the side of guys, however you... All it is is the evidence. That's all. Like, I have no dog in this fight. Don't know these dudes, don't care, don't have anything in my past that I'm trying to...

Nothing. It's just what is the evidence. Women, it's just women who have gone through this, and it just looks very familiar to them. And they don't, they just want it as an opportunity so it doesn't happen again. And women feel that it actually does happen to. They can come out and talk about it and not have these trauma responses and feel okay and not shameful about talking about it. But whatever that is that you just described isn't justice.

Right. No, but there's also, I mean, I feel like we've talked about this in different stories. It's like I inherently want to believe all women in these situations and I know a lot of women lie. Like, I can say those two different things. Like as a woman, I don't want to believe that a woman is lying and ruining lives. And I know that's the truth. But that's the whole issue. I mean, same thing, different circumstances with Lindsay Clancy.

But it's like no one's using their actual brain anymore. It's how you're emotionally responding to whatever the quote evidence or facts is and how it fits in your narrative. That's why with this Cornell stuff, it's like I don't even, I mean, I'm talking about it with you because I trust you. But it's like, if I come out and say, I don't really know it's somewhere in the middle, I'm a bad woman or I'm apologizing for potential assault. or I don't want to take a stand because I don't want to be villainized. Like, no, I just think that somewhere in the middle and I don't really know what happened. So I'm not going to take a strong stance on it. And the response, too, with women online is, why are men so silent right now?

That was what I saw everywhere. Oh, yeah. So it's not like, it's kind of what Will said. It's people weren't just defending them right away. It was just the fact that they wanted to see what was happening more of the facts. And they were talking and women were saying, why are men so silent? I'm stuck in an algorithm right now of like moms of like teenage boys. boys being like I'm you know teaching my son to beat the crap out of the Cornell 7 like that's the

algorithm I'm stuck well ACL in Austin there's some woman came out to castrate them on stage see literally just Austin's state limits yesterday but then I'm also seeing then on the opposite side then I'm also seeing you know whether it's comedians or whatever on social media making it so light on her like on the woman's part either like totally you know like oh I only said yes to four and it you know it's then it becomes like then it's like porn brain and it's like Hold on. Like, there's something in the middle here. Everyone involved, it was a gross situation.

Somewhere, some, it's just to me there's like no positive in taking one side or the other. Let's take a quick break, but we'll continue this with Barstools, Casey Smith, when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Barstools Casey Smith. Is that the answer you wanted? I was curious what you thought. Yeah? Yeah.

Have you talked about it before? No. I mean, I've talked about it in my personal life. I, it's not a sexy thing in media to say it's somewhere in the middle. And you know that. I don't think you're in the middle as much as you think that you are. Please mansplain it to me. Please explain my thoughts to me, Will.

Tell me how I feel. Because it's not your thoughts. I don't think you're appropriately evaluating where everyone else is on that. You know what I'm saying? I, maybe, again, maybe it's suck in certain algorithms. I have not seen anybody be definitely. I've not seen anybody say, high five boys. Oh, I have.

Oh. Really? High five boys. That if she's down for that many dudes, that she's down for that many dudes. Talking about the story? I'm not saying that they're like, yes, every guy should be doing that. But I've seen plenty of people be like, well, she was down for a train. She was down for a train.

Like that's not, that's on them. Like comment section trolls, I think. Well, maybe that's the algorithm that I live in. Yeah. You need to refresh that. Did you see a story about El-Sayed? Abil El-Said, a former staffer. I call him Abdul El Tuts or something like that.

I don't know. He's flatulent? It's out there. They're saying that he is juvenile and he's like high school locker room. Oh, no. I don't even know how to look this up. What am I? Look up Abdul Syed farts.

Okay. That he, this is a former staffer saying this. No. What? Just such a boy thing. Go ahead. His favorite humor is. It's like potty.

humor? No. Ripping Farts in public. Yeah. Like hotboxing people. Yeah. So gross. Also calling him a manufactured man. Read it. So I don't butcher it. Read it. Loves ripping farts in public and is a manufactured man

who has the maturity of a high school locker room. Says Jordan Dominga, who worked for two campaigns for outside. Can we just submit? Okay, first of all. No, I don't want to admit what ever you're about to say. Whatever you're about to say I don't. I don't, I don't consent to whatever you're about to say. Best explained by a guy who never grew up past high school. Go ahead. I don't care how old you are. No. It's funny. It's not funny. It is funny. It's not funny. Not the way he's doing it. Not the way he's doing it. That's the nuance here.

Now, you don't do it to other people. Do you see what I'm saying? Now I will say. Like you don't do that and then wait and let everybody suffer and then then laugh that. I mean, depending on the company. This guy is saying to this day for him, the act of farting is easily one of the funniest things a person can do. No. I will, having a three-year-old son and seeing how he responds to his own, it's like it's just inherently in you guys. It's just part of biology that you think it's funny. Because no one's teaching him that.

It never stops being funny. No. It doesn't really. But like two dudes. In the right context. Yeah, that's what I said, depending on the company. But you do have to have, like, I have a hard time believing, I know you two pretty well. You two are sophisticated gentlemen.

I have a hard time believing you guys are just thinking that shit's hilarious. I shouldn't have said that either. I'm sorry, I'm swearing all over the place today. That's funny. That's funny? That's funny? That's like, you're sitting in a car and somebody hotboxes and you're like, God, that was great. That was hilarious.

No, if someone just rips one on a fishing trip, it's like, uh-huh. You guys all sit around and giggle at it? Yeah. It has to be the right timing. There's a lot of factors. caveman thing. That's so caveman. Like that is, and I don't care

if I were with Unique conversion therapy is what you need. If I were with four United States senators on a fishing boat and somebody did that. There would be chuckles all around. A hundred percent approval rating. Now,

okay. Now that being said, what I'm saying that Abdul Syed is doing wrong is like there's a subordinate thing going Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like if he's got staffers. Yeah, that's messed up, dude.

That's messed up. You do with your buddies. Now, okay. So you got to be on at least equal playing field. By the way, farting up, that might be funny. Like, you know what I mean? Farting up. So like, there's a term for it now.

So say you are. Farting up. I hate it here. I'm trying to think of the right scenario. I hate it here. The chat is not a love to. No. No.

There is no. scenario that that is okay. You cannot tell me, let's just say, you know, you have interns over the summer, right? Funny term farting up. They come into your office. Open the TV show with that.

And one of them does that? You're not thinking that's funny. You are not. You're not letting that guy leave and be like, you know, it was awesome about that kid? He's farted in my office. You're not thinking that's funny.

And you can't tell me you would. That kid would not probably have high... You did a whole segment recently about how offensive is a kid bringing coffees to interviews. You're telling me that that's where you draw the line. I'm not saying that's going to be good for his career advancement, but I am going to laugh. And you're probably going to tell all your friends about it. Can you believe this kid? And what if you just stared at me, deep eye contact?

Well, it's that literal scene of stepbrothers. I would say it's the stepbrothers scene where it goes on too long. You had tuxedoes is a lot of us. That was your job interview, right? Yes. See, exactly. But then it goes on too long. And Seth Rogen is like, all right, now I think it's a little left up.

Now it's gone on a little bit too long. See, that's funny. We're all laughing. You're laughing. Stepbrothers is one of the top comedies of all time. Farting down is what else I had is doing. That's wrong. That's wrong.

You can only fart up. That's LBJ type stuff. You don't know a story about Linda Bain Johnson? No, Lynn and Bain Johnson apparently used to call. Farringdown. He used to call staff meetings in the can. He would sit and do his business. Didn't Churchill do that too?

Call them in to have meetings while he was doing it. It's so demeaning. But hear me out. If you are going to choose one or the other, people have to accept, I cannot believe this is a term. I'm now just using in casual conversation, farting down is more acceptable.

It's not. No, because those people have to, like, for lack of better terms, suck it up. They have to just sit there. That's why it's demeaning and bad. It's demeaning and bad. But it's like, okay, like you can't. You far up and they don't have to take it. Like get out of my office. Right. That's what I'm saying. But it's, it's demeaning.

It's awful. But it's more like, well, I can do that because what are they going to do about it? That's why it's bad. It is, well, I would make the argument that farting in general and not in privacy is bad. I'm talking about when, yeah, it's bad. It's also not criminal. It's just for, Like as a human being, I would just prefer not to be around people that are just like, you know what I'm going to do? Fart neutral. Fart up to our neutral. I don't want it unless it's my three-year-old. Like I just, like, I don't know.

I guess in this scenario, like you would. Ellie, don't clip any of this. Why? The laughing is good. It's been a very, you talk about spectrums, the array of topics we've talked about on this very show. I'm talking about when it loses its humor. It's never funny. No, that's just false.

To women, it's never funny. It's never funny. Now, there's a difference, I will say. There is a difference, like, understanding it's just like a part of the human body. Like, I'm not, like, angry if that happens, if somebody I'm with is doing it. But there's also, like, are you doing it for entertainment? Don't do it for entertainment. It's never funny.

Bathroom. And I will say this is. If I were fishing with El-Sayed and he did that, I would not be upset with him. I would not. You'd be like, oh, would you dab him up? If I worked with him, and I was in the SUV and I'm his chief of staff and he does that, I'm like, this son of a bitch. But you can't do anything about it. And he's back there giggling.

I'm not thinking that's funny. Okay, well, here's my question. Now, if I am the one that does it and he's my boss. No, because then you're embarrassed and you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that in front of my boss. But here's my question. So if you're El-Sayat and you do it, you farted. down. People are asking us to move on, by the way.

Interesting. We've pioneered a concept, which why I can't move on, farting up versus farting down. Or neutral, farting neutral. Really, really. I think it's really insightful. If you, I mean, by the way, when we could see the chat earlier, they wanted us to move on from the Kinsey scale.

We're really not hitting the people today. The topics are, we've hit a lot. What if he just doesn't laugh? What if he just does it? Then does it make it worse about it? It's a big risk. It depends on if he's denying or not. Guys are so gross.

Just inherently, and like I said, I mean, I have a toddler, I get it, he thinks it's hilarious, and I have to be like, it's not funny. The array of topics. Just all versions of it, too. Did you know that Loudoun County, Virginia, everything happens in Loudoun County. Everything. It's where they have fights over every race, sexuality, school, data center. For some reason, Loudoun County is ground zero. they have designated October

LGBTQIA plus history month they just made up that it's October no it's the thing I thought it was June yes you did there's another one Pride is in June this is history month okay

why October and somebody said March is something too now trans awareness right can you and I'm not even just talking about this specific stuff like 90 plus days They just keep it rolling.

Why don't they just make it like a whole thing? What? Just all year if that's what they want to do. We're at 90 plus days. What does that say to black people? That's a good point. You only get one month. As Chris Rock did, the shortest month.

And a day. That's such a good Chris Rock stand up. But who makes those rules? Like who's like, well, this is the month that we're going to celebrate this history? Who did that? It was the school district, right? Yeah, no, I'm. I'm just...

Public schools declared October LGBTQ plus history month and told staff and students to celebrate radical gender ideology. Absolutely not. It's absolutely not. Like, we're talking like kindergarten kids are involved in that? I think we need to step back a minute and go, how many days? How many days? Well, you can't make an allotment because then you're a bigot.

Hmm? You can't say you can only have 120 days because then you're like, then you must be against them. That'd be such a great debate. You're telling me if I land at 119, I'm a bigot. Yes. But that's, you know that's what would happen. Because then it's like, well, why don't you want them to have more days?

What, you're scared of them? You don't want them to have visibility. That's what that would turn into. And you know it. Let's just take the whole month off from school. I say, this is going to be very hypocritical and ironic coming from me because I work for barstool sports. I'm sick of the internet.

I'm sick of it. I'm done. I am so done with it. Like, that's where this stuff is coming from. They want claps and likes on the internet. You just don't love it back? No, it doesn't love me either. They want claps and likes on the internet for this kind of stuff.

And I'm over it. All right. last, what's up with our boy, Zach Bryan? Zach Bryan gave a concert. Where was this concert? Gillette. It was at Gillette. Yeah.

Wow. Biggest history or biggest crowd in concert history at Gillette. Yeah. Yeah. And he wore free, he and the entire band. Yeah. He wore free palisage. After Ed Shearin didn't happen.

And that was night one, I think. He came back and did he wear it again? Yeah, he wore it again for night two with a record number of crowd too. The biggest, yeah, the biggest crowd. I saw somebody say this. Americana music. is country music for Democrats. And it really hurt my feelings, actually.

It hurts my feelings. It's a different way. But you are that. What are you talking about? But who would you say is like the number one Americana person you listen to? Him. See, I don't listen to him. Jason Isbell would be second.

I don't like him. I like Tyler Childers better than Jason Isbell, but they'd all be in that category. Not a Zach Brian. Zach Ryan. Because of the barstool, that's Zach Ryan thing? Yeah, I mean, just the way he treated everybody. Not even just with Bree.

Just the way he treat everybody. But he also blocked me on everything for no reason. I just don't like when people do that. So I don't like him. I also like his music is fine. Did you have a relationship with him? No. None.

I didn't mean like that. Like you knew each other? No, no. You followed him and he followed you? No, he blocked every single person at Barstall before he started burning Barstall flags. Oh, really? Yeah.

Or his team did. He just went through. Yes. If Barstool was in your profile. It did not go well from him, though. It did not go well for him. No, but yeah, no. And also like our, like, certain shows,

like the Barstall College Football Show. He blocked that. Like, he didn't want anybody to have any access to him. with it. Now, Dave did create the disc tracks and all that, so you know, it is what it is. But his music in general... You don't like it? It's fine. It's just, it's not something that, like, if it's on, you know...

I only saw him like two months ago. It's one note to me. It just all sounds the same. I will agree that the songs do begin to all sound the same. But I mean, I like them a lot. Like, what's his best song in your opinion? Oklahoma Smoke Show. And it probably sounds exactly like the next four. Somewhere in orange or whatever. That's a good one to you. But my, I also am not a huge country music person.

If I am, I like Texas country. I like Red Dirt. I like Randy Rogers, Pat Green, Josh Abbott, like, the Eli Young before they went. Like, that's the style I like. So if Zach Bryan, like, shuffles on, and we're not going to be like, turn it off. You get Tyler Childers? Yeah. But, like, not, it's not something I would seek out.

Does that make sense? Yeah. But he is so big. And, I mean, he, what, Morgan Wallen, are they like one, two in, like, country right now? And it's like everything that they do makes headlines. So I get it. the thing with this was so crazy

it was at Gillette with like Robert Kraft and all it was like he just basically was kind of mountain I don't think he really believes it I don't really think

he's into the cause you think he's doing it for attention I think it's a little bit of, I mean I think everything he does his attention but because his image

has been poor in those worlds because of what happened with her I think this is a little bit of a make good I'm just I just think that's a conspiracy theory

yeah I think Zach Bryan is more popular with lefties than he has righties yes Yes. But he took a major hit in that with the Brianna Chicken Fries. Because I saw this, people turn on him because all these free Palestine girls were like, yeah, he's doing Free Palestine, then looked up what happened. They didn't know about that. And they're like,

no, screw this guy. I don't think it's an internet thing because, I mean, maybe, like, it was probably more on the internet, but I do think that, like, in general, if you hear a guy's... Can I be honest, most Zach Bryan fans don't know who Brianna Chicken Fry is? No. No, but if you are living in that world and you hear a guy offered $12 million, $1.D.A. because he didn't want you to talk about the relationship. Usually that means you're kind of a scumbag. Something bad happened. Something bad happened if you're offering

$12 million for your ex-girlfriend to not talk about you publicly. And I'm not talking about them specifically. I'm talking about in general, if you meet a guy and you're like, did you know he asked his ex-wife to sign an NDA to not talk about him? You're like, oh, he's probably a dirtbag. He's also military. I feel like he's coached right in this Oh, I don't. Personal life.

I mean, he's watching. walked that line a little bit, but this isn't the first issue he's taken on the left. No, he was very anti-ice. I just don't know. It's genuine, though. That's right. Very anti-I-I-I. Didn't he make a song? He knows his audience, I think.

What's that? He knows his audience, like you said. He was in the Navy, right? Yeah. What are you saying about the Navy? Nothing. I'm not saying anything about the Navy. Wow.

You are taking a shot at the Navy. I'm not. I'm doing the Navy's hot. What are you saying? What are you doing right now? Ellie, what is he doing right now? You didn't. Ellie, what is he doing right?

I was just trying to clarify his military service. I was just curious. I didn't tell them anything. Oh. Nothing. Huh? You haven't? Nope, I haven't.

Oh, so that was actually being. Oh. Oh, I forgot. Yeah. Oh. What? Am I missing something? Yes.

Yeah. Big. Just in the show. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I thought he was setting me up. I thought he was too. Oh.

Okay. I'm racking my brain. I don't know what's going on right now. It's just things that happen in our personal lives outside of the show. The Navy? Not the whole Navy Not the whole Navy Not the whole Navy.

I don't even want to laugh I don't want to be I don't know. I don't want to die. This is not setting off any I don't know if so. Well maybe if you were more involved in you know like people's personal

lives or group chats, maybe you would know things. Oh, you don't, you don't know. I thought you knew. No, I forgot to tell him. Oh, that's my ask Ellie. I forgot to tell you. This is not cool. Well, you don't answer people's text messages, so you just get left out.

I'm confident I wasn't on this group. No, because you got left out. No, I was supposed to tell you and then I just forgot. You were going to tell me. You were going to tell her. Well, it was just more, like Ellie and I were having a conversation after you thought you are you ready to make a statement? No.

Navy. Navy. Well. Are you not picking up on clues here? Certain levels of it, maybe. Can you guess? Like, no, no, no, we're not doing this. Okay, no. We are, but I don't know what we're doing.

No, we're not. You're going to kick yourself after the show. Is this like the Kristen Cinema thing I did? No. No, it's a positive, but I really thought you were setting me up. This is horrible TV, I think, or whatever. Anyways. I think you're probably right.

So on that note. That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time, though, because I really thought you were setting me up. Oh, I thought you were talking about the farting up versus farting down. I was talking about that you insinuated. I was taking on the whole Navy. We got that going for us today. The whole Navy. I don't even know where my camera is right there.

I don't know what things work in New York. I don't understand this place. Yeah. I'm either. All right. Thank you for being with us today. Thank you to Casey Smith. Thanks well.

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