Will Cain Country - What You’ve Been Told About AI Data Centers Is Wrong (ft. Vince August & David Marcus)

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

AI data centers have become a major point of contention in elections across the country, but are they really as bad as the media would lead you to believe? Comedian and Former Judge Vince August joins the program alongside FOX News Digital's David Marcus to unravel the truth over this election cycle’s hottest issue, after a not-so-brief diversion over what makes someone a nepo baby and a teacher’s viral “fart corner.” Plus, Will and The Crew break down the latest updates from the Lindsay Clancy trial as the case’s closing arguments wrap up. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Closing arguments in the trial of Lindsay Clancy. The trial of AI, pros and cons, and politics on artificial intelligence. And go to the fart corner today on Wilcane Country. It's Wilcane Country streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. We're here for you at your leisure and on demand if you'll just hit follow at Spotify or on Apple. Hanging out with Tinfoil Pat, Two A Days, Dan. Today is comedian and judge.

Attorney, Vince August. What's up, Vince? We got to get this out of way right now. So you shame me into covering up my body and then come on the next episode with a size small t-shirt. That's the way we're playing this. That's the way this is going to go right now. This is a normal fitting collared shirt. Yes.

It's a smooth. medium. It's a smearium. It's not a smearum. He shopped in the child section. It's very nicely tailored, fitted Lulu lemon.

Lulu lemon. You should not have said that. What are you doing? That plays perfectly into our first story of how he was in a fraternity. Let's get right to it. I wasn't in a fraternity. Really?

But I've become No, see? He's obsessed with them now, though. That surprises me. A little. He's obsessed. Yeah, well, that's the thing. Everybody wants to put me in a box.

They're like, oh, at times he's a small town country boy. At times he's country club. Oh, he played water polo. That's a fancy sport. But no, it's not. And you just want to keep, you're looking for shortcuts in life. You're doing anything you can do to avoid thinking. And that's the problem with society. You're the problem with society.

Discernment and judgment are hard. And so you like to find all the shortcuts. What are the shortcuts? Follow the science. Trust the experts. Or I don't believe in anything. Everything's a lie. Everything's a conspiracy. You want to put me in a box, but you won't put baby in a corner. I force you to think. Who is he? He's an individual. And I thought, I thought, I think. I thought old money usually has kids that are in fraternities that's what i thought i figured if you had old money there was a legacy thing and you had a fraternities that's it all right i missed a different group of people okay we're good yeah um yeah i'm not old money my haircuts old money texas isn't even old money um what's that texas isn't even old money

Well, everything is relative, right? I mean, it's not New York, where it goes back to the 1810s or the Industrial Revolution. But it does. I mean, you can find, you know, 1920s, 30s, oil boom money. You can find that. But, yeah. I've never understood, most of my life I've never understood the appeal of old money. I get it that it means classy, that it means you don't have the Lamborghini in the parking lot of the driveway.

I get that part of it. But it also comes with, you didn't earn it. You didn't do anything. Great Grand Pappy Vanderbilt did. So what did you do? And why is that a compliment to you versus new money? Say what you will. It can be a little bit garish and classless.

But you know what? That freaking dude did it. That guy's the one that scrapped it out, clotted out with his fingernails. very good point. All right, but let me play devil's advocate. Is there more pressure on the kids of people that have succeeded to succeed because mom and dad made it big? I've got to live up to that as opposed to me first person to graduate with something

beyond the college degree. My sister was the first in my family to get a college degree. So is, you know, is there more pressure? One of your great grandparents made the money. So you're saying the bar was low for you? You're like, I only had to... I was very low for me. Very low.

Oh, yeah. And he jumped over like five rings. Oh, I have an angel, Angel Reese vertical. Are you kidding me? You're dead on, Vince, though. Like, Ansel Ford had a hard time living up to his father's shadow. Henry Ford. Oh, can you imagine?

It took a lot. Can you imagine? Of work. Oh, but even siblings. even siblings, like Wayne Gretzky's brother, you know, Larry Bird's brother. This is horrible. This is horrible.

I was going to say this is horrible. Does Wayne have a brother? Yeah, I didn't know that. I'm just using it. I'm trying to make the point. Like, again, the legacy thing, if your father is an amazing athlete, like look at LeBron James and Ronnie.

You know, so is there more pressure? Terrible. Michael Jordan and Jordan's son. So, okay, let's do it for a second. I know. When Gretskin's brother. I thought he had a brother Keith. Didn't he have a brother Keith?

Brett. So Wayne Gretzkin and his brother actually have the sibling record for most points and goals in NHL history. Right. Wayne's got all. See, that is such. Now, now I feel bad because I was going to say I know. He has one. Brett has one.

One goal. Oh, he has one. Okay. Oh, I see. It's like the Clemens thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Byrd had a brother.

who was pretty good. There's been articles written about it. I mean, he was pretty good. Like on the... Absolutely. What? Yes. Like on the whole grand scheme of things of the world,

he was a good college basketball player. I think he had a cup of coffee or a bit more of a cup of coffee in the NBA. But he wasn't Larry Bird. And like in the rest of the world, whatever his name is, you know, Barry Bird, he's a incredible basketball player. but because his brother's Larry, nobody freaking knows. And you know what? I don't know what's worse.

That or to your point, Brani. I saw a video recently of Brony playing soccer. He was a good soccer player for presumably not being a soccer player. Or he played in high school maybe or something like that. But I was watching video, I was like, Bronny's athletic. Obviously he's athletic, obviously. But because his dad is LeBron James, everybody's like, Like, what a buffoon.

You know, what a Nepo baby. I mean, Brony is better than everyone listening. He's better at every sport than everyone talking or listening right now. But his dad's LeBron James. I think that also applies. That to cut you up, Dan. I think that also applies to all the professions. That's why I'm saying.

And listen, I'm not giving a pass to Nepo babies that, you know, sit back, do nothing and say, oh my God, they have it just as hard as everyone. That's not what I'm saying. We're just talking pressure. It's the whole thing with headaches. You know, the millionaire's headache versus the guy who's, you know, struggling to get along. Everybody has headaches.

They're all relative to where you are in life. But in terms of it's an easy ride. I disagree. The bar thing, that's fair. Like, I want to think about that minute. So I want to set that aside. If, for example, no one in your family ever graduated high school and you graduated high school, did you do more than the NEPO baby, right? Okay, that's the question you're asking.

I don't, you definitely had less pressure. Pressure is one conversation, but judgment is another, right? So this has kind of been my position, Vince. You know how people say you can't hold somebody's, you don't judge someone by their poverty. You know, that's like, that's considered wrong, right? Like, you go, oh, he was born poor. In fact, we often, like with Dolly Parton, we use that as part of her story to tell this incredible story of what she did from the place of poverty. But my position is, you know, we can't really pass judgment on you based upon your starting point.

We can only pass judgment based upon your end point. So you can't hold somebody's inherited wealth against them. That's not any more fair than holding their poverty against them, right? So now, I'm not done. The question then becomes, what did you do with your starting point? And if the answer is you were born on third base but got caught trying to steal second running backwards, then we judge, right? But if the answer is you were born on second and you didn't come home, but you would

advanced it to third, you are a success. I think that is the measure of success in judgment. Where did you start and where did you end? And it's not always measured by your net wealth, you know, your cumulative wealth. It's not the answer Ford had to inherit, you know, whatever he did from Henry and make it bigger. That's not, I don't think that is because that's, that's reducing judgment and success to one singular metric. And, but it's, how did you, you, what did you do? How do you measure a good and productive life? And listen, there were certain bars from father to son, mother, to daughter that are going to be nearly impossible to achieve. I mean, if you literally invent something that the

world didn't have before you, okay, and what's your kid supposed to do now? Invent something else? Right. That's an unreasonable expectation. But then, and you beat me to it, I'm glad you made that clarification. The endpoint can't be determined by wealth or status because, listen, I can walk down Broadway, go into theaters and show you people that are a hundred times better actors than a lot of the people you see in Hollywood. You will never know who they are. And same thing, probably Nashville. You go down that street in Nashville. You can walk into every bar, find someone as attractive, as talented as Taylor Swift you will never hear of.

So how do you measure that and say, well, Taylor Swift is a success and, you know, this singer is not? You know, so maybe they have more talent, but then there's luck. Well, but there's all kinds of things and no control on. The trick in the discussion is not to reduce

the concept of success to a total lack of definition, right? Because we also know a multitude of stories of Nepo babies who piss away everything that was ever given to them, who are entitled, who spend it on, you know, drugs, hookers, and horse racing, and the rest of it they waste. You know, so that's the song, right? What is the song? I spend it all on drugs, hookers, and gambling, and the rest of it, I wasted. It's a George Best quote, Will, the British soccer player, George Best.

He said something like, I wasted all my money. You know, I spent all my money on fast cars and birds, and the rest I just wasted. It's David Marcus joining us now as well, Fox News.com, colonists. I know it from a country song. I think Sammy Kirshaw sang a song about that, which George Best probably predates Sammy Kirschaw. But the point I'm getting at. and David is jumping into the conversation midstream here is there's got to be a way to define success. What we're arguing, I hope, is not in the end, there is no definition.

And there's just not a singular definition. We all know the image of the, what's the right adjective? David's the writer. Beat AI. Patrick, go to AI. What word am I looking for? Is it derelict? the person who inherits everything pisses it away is offers and contributes nothing and

there do well there's a perfect word what is it beat him with AI the rider versus AI go David you're on the clock you're looking for a word for for no I mean on the internet who fritters away their wealth that who fritters away their inherited wealth I don't know that we have a word or just or just underachiever I mean that's it might be one of the brain and brings I don't think we have one. See, David's on a... David is on a crusade to suggest that AI cannot compete with writers. Now, he's waived the white flags.

It's not a quest. It's not a quest. It's just a truth. That's all. Still thinking. No, it's not. Watch this. Yeah, it's thinking.

Hey, how would you define someone that... Me and David already found someone that has been given everything in life, money, they're entitled, they piss it away, they end up, they end up, they end up, they, they end up being a total derelict and a ne'er-do-well. There's a specific word for that. What is it? Squander. Washtrel.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the word. Wastrel. Wastrel? What? Prophligate. Scott, King, jumped into, but you used AI, right? Scott, come on. You didn't come up with that from your brain.

What is that? But that's not what a profflicate means. Prophlegate. How about reprobate? Degenerate's pretty good. I mean, degenerate. sense in the sense that you're like regressing. I would call it maybe more like, you know, regenerate or something. But no, we don't know a word for that. We don't have a word for

everything. We only have like, depending on how you count like five million words. It's not that many. I'm going to bet more than money. I've never used the word profligate in my life. Well, now you will. Now you'll hear it everywhere as well. You're going to hear the word profligate like five times in the next two weeks. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Vince August and Fox News.com's David Marcus here on Will King. country. In Toronto, every arrival is a statement and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was

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The Germans already have. I'm going to give an example. I'm going to give you an example. There are certain things that words accomplish in describing something that we all know. Like I've said, I've said on this program that there's three types of guys, right? A Rick, a tool, and an A-hole. But those aren't really the words I want to use. And it is, and there's three types of guys, and I believe that.

Okay. Now, you guys can beep it out whatever you want. But I believe for the moment, for the sake of accuracy, these words carry a lot of descriptive weight. And I'm going to show you why. There's three types of guys in the world. Dicks, assholes, and douchebags, okay? The tool and the rick are the PG version of those. And see, everybody's nodding.

David's nodding. You get what I'm saying immediately. You know what I'm saying. You know that category. And you know the difference in those three guys. They're different dudes, okay? And this is what I wanted to say to you. I was thinking about it because I was saying about it doing it on TV, because I can't say these words on TV.

Gavin Newsom is a quintessential douchebag. Yes. Like, that word fits hand and glove. Now, I will say, no, he might be all three. He might be. You're exactly right, Vince, because the problem is a D-bag, ultimately only hurts himself. He doesn't hurt other people.

Do you see what I'm saying? And Gavin does hurt other people. And that puts him in the Rick category, going back to my PG language. Do you see what I'm saying? And so you're right. Maybe it isn't a hand in glove, but I'm reading the story about Gavin Newsom

with his wine seller and the $5,000 bottle of wine that he doesn't know exists in his $7.5 million mansion. And he's like, I actually use it for books. My wine cellar's full of books. And I was reading that, and I was like, this dude is a D-bag. Like, through and through, unavoidably. He can't stop being a D-bag.

Yeah, I mean, lots of governors violated the COVID restrictions that they themselves put in place, but he was the only one who literally went to the fanciest restaurant in the world in which to do so. I mean, Andrew Cuomo might have been running around Hamptons, right? But he wasn't. I mean, that was just like, that was just like the biggest slap in the face. And then, of course, you know, he still got reelected in the recall, but, you know. Yeah, there's something very sociopathic about that guy, though. He has, he seems to have no type of, you know, way to gauge just what he's doing,

not only as he's doing it, but after the fact. Like, he refuses to make any apology at all for who and what he is, what he has. And the worst part is he tries to make it seem like it's this great story that he came from humble beginnings on top of it, which is like, dude, what are you doing? He's a sociopath. To me, that person is a sociopath. Yeah, you're right. Hand in glove. Hand in glove, he's not a perfect D-Bag because I don't think D-Bags are sociopaths.

So he has D-Bag and Rick combo mastered in a way that very few do. Like very few can be both of those guys at this. Yeah, he's the, and rarely, by the way, is somebody both guys, I think. I think they're pretty distinct categories. But he's a unique character that is both of those at the same time. But my point is, those words are so descriptive. Why don't we have a word for the dude that I'm describing? Because you guys all know in your head, we're all envisioning the dude that has inherited everything,

pises it all away, is a degenerate, is a derelict, and all these things. But there should be like, you know, the Scandinavians have like 100 words for snow. Nobody's needed it. Nobody's needed it yet. I do have a different type, though. In college, in my brief period of time when I spent in college, I coined the term of a guy who I call the juggler. And the juggler, literally he can juggle. He also plays Indigo girls' songs on the guitar.

He gives all the girls like back rubs. You know, he's that guy. I had a roommate who was that guy. my handy guy, I walked in a room one day. He was in bed with this girl with a nightcap on reading her a bedtime story. These are jugglers. And we've all known. The problem with that.

It was like that, David. I was like, I was like Grandpa Simpson. I just walked in. I was like, nope. Right back out. David. So that's a version of a D-Bag. He's in the D-Back category.

Right? But he's a version of it. And the problem with your your guy is he's a moment in. time. The juggler doesn't exist anymore. I don't know the modern iteration of the jug. Well, but there's probably a modern iteration, but I can picture your guy. Performative males.

Toad bags? Yeah, that's the performative male. He's just not hacky-sacking anymore. He lives in Brooklyn. I don't know what he's doing. He says he's a feminist. He's not juggling and hacky-sacking. Yeah. Yeah. He's... Go ahead, Pat. I think we do, I think we do have a term for what you're talking about, and it's democratic

socialist. Oh, wow. They went there right away. Look at him. Yeah. No, but he's right, but he's right. That's actually perfect. The downwardly mobile, entitled, highly educated, given everything, pissed off at the world because of his own shortcomings and failings. All right. So then where does somebody like Hunter Biden come in who has those moments of reflection, says, yeah, I was a junkie, I was this, I was that, but it's still seemingly angry at a lot of people for whatever noticing. I don't know what.

And taking it out on all of the people who noticed. So that guy kind of falls, you know, depending on the day he's being interviewed and what he's talking about. You know, and what his perspective is. Hunter's an interesting case, Vince, now that you bring this up. Okay, this, by the way, was not on the production agenda. None of this. The Hunter. I don't know why I do.

Okay. Hunter. Here's the, okay, here's the complicating factors in Hunter. So first of all, he's the son of a politician who we have to say, despite his recent vintage, had at one time some political talent and charm. Joe Biden had the ability to walk into a room and win people over. That's just a fact. Now, Joe wasn't a delistor. and he wasn't an A-lister.

He's not Trump's level, but Joe is better than Chuck Schumer. You follow what I'm saying? Joe was probably a B-lister. I want to hear David on this in a minute. I think he was probably a B-level politician. And what happened is with Joe, he got embarrassed in front of A's too often, right?

And so he exposed him for being a B, like him in Clarence Thomas or him in Scalia or him in Trump. and by the time he gets to Trump, he's not a B-lister anymore because he's deteriorated. My point is, some of that, and we'll use the word charm, genetically passes down. So Hunter is now a person who can talk and charm, watch his podcast circuit. I think he's doing pretty well, right? But he's still a degenerate. He's still of low moral character, but he's good at bullshit.

And here's the final factor. addiction, and I'm sorry if this upsets people, addiction vulnerability has gained social credibility. So that fits for Hunter. So he can go and he can talk about overcoming addiction and everybody's like, oh, vulnerable, vulnerable, connect, connect. And I think there's an element of truth to that. But I don't think being honest about your addictions is as difficult as it was in 1985, 1995, because the process of coming out as an addict, like anything else in life in 2026, comes with it a certain amount of a round of applause.

You know, speaking of Hunter Biden on the podcast circuit, can just one freaking person ask him what his actual job at Burisma was? I mean, do you make him money hand over fist for a Ukrainian gas company? Why? Just that one question. Is there any possible answer other than because my dad was the vice president? He doesn't speak Ukrainian. He doesn't know. Was he doing paintings for the lobby? I mean, what was he there for?

Is there for good time, David? But he's all that. He was social chair of the board. Right. But he's all that. He said playing out, he goes, the only reason I got that job was because of my dad. I mean, he's on that job. Right. Okay. I know he said that. What was the, is this just a no show mafia job? Is this just, I'm there paying me and I do nothing? Or is this, hey, somebody needs to get on the phone with your dad's staff? What was the job? What was worse? Yes. What was worse? Yes. I mean, that was the job. We all know what the job was that he's going to say it out loud. I mean. But David's point isn't that, Vince. It's that he's not asked.

He's not asked on the podcast circuit. Will, who's asking anybody on friendly interviews anything these days? Come on. I mean, who's walking into rooms that they know? Look at Bill Maher. He can't get half of the Democrats to walk half. Three quarters of the Democrats won't go on his show, on his show. Is that true?

I hadn't read that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Are they turning him down? They're turning him down. And he'll say it over and over on the show. I've asked so and so to come on. I've asked this person and they won't go on.

And what's he going to do? Let's be honest. Phil's not there to make any of the people that come on the show look bad. He's going to ask a tough question here and there, but he's not going to embarrass you on that show. I've never seen him trying to, unless there's been a couple of instances where he's gone at it with people where he does that thing. Well, yeah.

And then he moves on. But it's, it's, you know, it's a friendly environment. So really, who's going anywhere, you know, that you know it's going to get hostile on a podcast? And Stephen A. has been calling out Newsom, right? I think Stephen A keeps saying, well, I won't Newsom come on my show. And I think we all know why Newsom won't go on his show because he's going to work like a fool.

Another example, right? Stephen A. Smith says it all time. People won't come out with me. I wasn't going to do this. I'm only going to do it for a minute because I feel like it fits, and I feel weird if I don't say it. I had Jamie Harrison, the former chair of the DNC on my show a little bit earlier this week. I had an interview with Jamie about the Democrat Socialist Infiltration and Influence on the Democrat Party. At the end of the interview, Jamie, after a very heated and contentious interview, got angry and suggested that I performed a debate and switch on him, that I lied and suggested we were going to talk about the South Carolina primary, and I switched it up and started talking to him. about the Democrats and Democratic socialism.

I said in the real time on the show, I have no idea what you're talking about because I didn't. I said, if somehow you feel a misled and we misled you, then I will apologize. Yesterday, after having gone back and reviewed our communication with him and his PR rep, I came to the conclusion that it was reasonable for him to assume he would be talking about the South Carolina primary. that wasn't passed up to me. And people are like, Will, you're still lying? Here's the thing. It wasn't a bait and switch.

It wasn't a lie. It wasn't any of these things. Like most things in life, the explanation is much more mundane. It's a breakdown in communication. And I'll be a little more explicit than I even was on TV. It's clear in the text. They're requesting to talk about the South Carolina primary. It was never confirmed from our side.

That's what you'll be talking about. And never denied. They just kept requesting it. and then it was booked, right? And so that's kind of how that went down. But I apologize to Jamie because I could see at the end how he went on going, this is what I'm talking about, and it never got there. And that's just not who we are.

We don't bait and switch. We're going to have a tough conversation. But, you know, everything above the board. So go ahead. But hold on. There's a huge difference between a newscast where you have a segment that you're booking a guest to talk about a topic and going on a podcast. podcast like this where we shoot the shit for an hour, hour plus, and someone feels blindsided

or a panel show where you go. Okay. Yeah. Don't tell me you're ever blindsided about something about your job. Okay. That's not blindsiding. I agree with that too, Vince. Go on.

Come on. I have been ambushed on TV. What that means is this. And I'm talking about on CNN. This happened to me. I would be booked to certain about to talk about a certain topic. and then I would talk about, end up having to talk about why is Mitt Romney such a racist? Like, that segment happened to me multiple times.

And I've just got tired of it after a while. So I can empathize with somebody who feels ambushed. The flip side of it is you don't get to dictate the interview. You don't get to dictate the questions. You know, that's kind of how it works. And so be prepared for whatever comes up. So there's a difference between a scripted interview. No one wants to do that.

I don't do that. But if somebody bait and switched you, I don't think that's cool. I don't think that's cool. So that's not what we did. But if he felt that way, and I think he could, I can see in the messiness of human communication how he might have felt that way, then that's on me. That's what I want to do. I just wanted to own that.

I want that. I watched that. I watched that. I watched that. topics and we just ambushed the shit out of him by talking about nothing of those topics. Okay? I don't see him complaining.

He can completely ambushed that. What are you talking about? Are you not listening? I complain all the time. All the time. All the time. All I do. That was your strangest show ever, Will, because it was like, lovely segment about Dolly Parton. Lovely segment about Dolly Parton.

Lovely segment about Dolly Parton. Screaming lunatic. lovely segment about Bally Park. I was like, what is going on? You know what's funny about that? David? I had this conversation with Ellie and Casey Smith yesterday. We were talking about the element of performance or acting in what it is that I do. And I'm like, I don't act.

I don't. I don't. And they're like, yes, you do. And Casey's like, how do you turn on a dime from being in this fight with Jamie Harrison? which was very, very contentious yelling back to somber and reverential towards Dolly Parton. And I'm like, well, the way that I do that is compartmentalization. Like, I don't consider this acting. Like, I'm here when I'm here.

And then when I'm here, I'm here. Do you understand what I'm saying? Women can't figure this out. I don't take a lot of things super personally. A lot of people were confused. Like, weren't you worked up? Weren't you pissed off by Jamie Harrison? I'm like, no, I wasn't.

I wasn't at all. While I'm in the moment, I'm there, and I'm feeling the feels and doing the things and all that. But when it's over, it's over for me. Like, I'm not mad, and I'm now here talking about Dolly Parton. Yeah, it's like arguing with the hump. You know, you argue with the hump. You're really mad, but then you've got to get back in the field and play third base. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Vince August and Fox News.com's David Marcus here on Will Cain Country.

Yeah. Right. worried about it anymore. Can't let it ruin your game. Yeah. Yeah. I do want to talk about, yes, I was just interrupt you. That's, no, that's what you described was an Italian family gathering. We can yell and scream at each other. Why crazy. And at the end, give each other a kiss on the cheek. You know, hey, I'll see a New Year's here, right? Yeah, Christmas, we're killing each other. Yeah, that's how you described your wife and your relationship with the women. And I like that. I like that. I like that. See, I like the roller coaster.

Maybe I am Italian, damn it. You are. Deep down. Deep down. Okay, before we get serious, and I do want to get serious about at least two topics today. I do like this. Dan, I think you have a video on this. A teacher has designated a corner of her classroom as the fart corner.

Okay? I think this is ripe for discussion. The ripe farts. Watch. This is where all the learning happens for Tier 1 instruction. So I'll be down here teaching them, and they'll be sitting on the rug. Now, if they have to relieve themselves, they will just simply get up off of the rug, and they will walk back to that corner right there where you see that little yellow sign.

And I'm going to show you what that looks like. So they get up, off the rug. Walk over here. And they come right here to the gusty winds area. I think I love this teacher. This is why I had to be homeschooled. Because you were too gassing. Public classrooms?

I couldn't hold it in. You know, I'm a very serious writer, Will. I don't know what I'm doing here talking about this. I should be meeting Nietzsche. There's something right there. I need an age range for this class. Do you think, David, if I met Nietzsche or Hell Van Gogh, any great artist, do you think they would go, this is beneath me conversation?

I think they'd love it. I'd say to Nietzsche. When you're on an airplane, how bad does it, how mad does it make you that somebody farted around you? And then I would say, Nietzsche, but do you do it? And now we're having a conversation about humanity. I think this teacher is subverting and taking away life skills you have to learn later on in life for the thing you just said, you're on an airplane.

If you were permitted during your life to pick up and go somewhere and really, no, you're losing the skill of, all right, I got to put a silencer on this. You know, that's a skill you have to learn by not having a corner to go to. These are things you have to pick up. wrong. The skill is the kid who goes into the corner and doesn't do a silent but deadly, but totally rips it over there.

She solved the smell, but she can't solve the sound. Oh, listen, there's a story about Sam Neal. I'm giving crazy respect. There's a famous story about Sam Neal going to a premiere of Jurassic Park and Lady Di was there. And his son was sitting next to him.

and his son farted. And Sam, the old's, like, sitting there thinking, oh, my God, like, I can't believe, like, they farted in front of, like, Lady Di. And Jeff Goldblum was also there. And Jeff Goldblum says, I can't believe that you're still blaming the kid. Hey, the, you know, the airplane thing? The problem with the airplane thing is you don't know who to scowl at. It always feels like it was the person right. next to you. But I don't know.

Is it the guy right in front of me or is it the guy right behind me? I don't know where to direct my scowls. It'd be much less noticeable if we could just smoke on planes, by the way. Like you could on the Concord. That's it. Battle of toxins.

Yeah. Bring smoking back to planes. It's my next thing I'm going to try for. My wife, I hope she listens to the show. I hope she doesn't. She listens to the show. I hope she doesn't. She does not have a temper except when one of my sons farts in her car.

It makes her so mad. What are they supposed to do? So mad. What's their other option? I agree. I agree. What do you say? Mom, can you put her over for a second?

Women always say hold it. Like they don't want to fly. That's like asking me to fly. I don't fly. We all have stomach problems. Oh, stomach problems because they hold it in. Yeah, you got to let it go. The natural occurrence.

I think these kids just need healthier diets. All right. So hold on, Will. Here's the question. I'm less bothered by farting than burping because I think the burp, you can control more than the fart. You can suppress that. I think the fart is, look, man, I'm trying to find a way out of here. what i i find someone who burps in front of me to be a little bit more offensive how about i don't know

you also know what the food is yeah you also know what the food is with a burp right there's a whiskey burp or it's a chili burp or it's eye to eye it's eye to eye yeah i'm not offended by burps i don't know they just they don't offend me um okay all right let's get serious for the very very serious writer very serious serious writer, David Marcus. 40 minutes in and we're serious. Two serious. Yeah.

37 minutes in and we're getting serious. Let's get serious guys. Seriously. Come on. Come on. All right. I actually had time getting, I had trouble coming to the show because I was in my office watching closing arguments of Lindsay Clancy trial. And let me tell you something.

I don't know if you watched those things. The defense was not impressive. The prosecution, at first I was like, this is not impressive. But as this lady began to weave the story? I'm like, oh my God. Like, I don't know how you could sit in that jury box. Like, she walked through, was this lady out of her mind? Well, let's look at all the decisions she made along the way that are rational decisions,

like making one kid go to a bedroom so that he couldn't escape while she took another one down to the basement. Then, like, having a rational phone call with her husband right after, presumably. We don't know the exact timeline, but the prosecution suggests she did it before. He called to say, hey, what kind of pedia lax do you want me to get at the store? It's just, it's honestly, I think it's devastating. And Ali Beth Stucky, who's a friend of the show, had a interesting post. She said, I was wrong about Lindsay Clancy. Here's why I changed my mind.

She was never diagnosed with postpartum depression or psychosis. She was not on 13 medications at once. She was not hearing voices. She was not abandoned by her family. She was diagnosed with a mood disorder. never psychosis and went to a variety of doctors who all prescribed different medications, which she took unreliably and not simultaneously. She only heard a voice one time, and that was right before she killed her kids,

extremely atypical for psychosis. She carefully planned her children's murders down to the minute. She researched the distance of a restaurant she'd asked Patrick to go to, added on a last-minute errand before he left, calmly answered his phone call in the middle of her crime, brought her children down to the basement one by one overpowering their resistance and killing them slowly. It does seem like she had support from her family. She may still have been overwhelmed, but it's not true that all of her cries for help went unanswered.

I am getting, there was a moment where I thought, you know, when you say somebody's crazy, I'm going to use that term not medically loosely. And Vince, I know you have a ton of experience with this. when you call somebody crazy, rationally, you go, well, then no rational explanation can apply to their behavior. We can't superimpose a rational world on a crazy mind. But this, which mirrors the prosecution's closing argument, really narrows it down to if she's psychotic, postpartum psychotic, it's in a very small window for a very defined short period of time, which is extremely atypical. The bigger problem with that that she has will in terms of her defense is the gaps in between the episodes of psychosis. And this is why I talked about the last time we're on the show.

It's if you know how long the psychotic episode lasts, okay, then an expert can pinpoint and say this is how long he lasts. But the key is, what are the gaps in between? Now, if she reacts or acts upon the psychosis, during those gap periods, it makes it a lot harder to prove that those are psychotic episodes. Like this, like this, Vince, like this. Right. Not psychotic in the lead up because of the planning, all of the clear planning that went in. That's what she call it in the closing arguments. That's ordered thinking.

That's not psychotic. Everything that went up to the moment. Okay. Then the period of killing them, which takes about, I think, we don't know, but I think 15 to 20 minutes roughly. Then the husband interrupts it with a phone call. She exits psychosis, responds rationally again, telling him a series of lies, a two-minute phone call, hangs up, then goes back to psychotic to kill herself or the psychotic episode is over. one or the other. And it doesn't, man, that doesn't fit. That doesn't fit. No, because if your psychosis brings upon a desire to murder, at the point in between the brakes where you're medicated and you're not having the psychotic episodes, you then apply for a gun permit, okay? That should cancel out your psychosis and just to use that as your defense.

and I think that's what the prosecution should be driving home. Look, we're not saying she doesn't have psychotic episodes. What we're saying is that she has enough coherence to know that she can have one of those episodes to do the things that she did, which is why she should be guilty of those things. You know, to me... Before you jump in, David, let me finish what Ali said, because she said a little more.

I'm just going to finish this and have you, David. She said, I originally placed too much blame on the many SSRIs she was prescribed. For years on my show, I've talked about health professionals who've been warning about the violence-inducing effects of these drugs, and I thought Lindsay's case may be an example of that reality. It is still possible these SSRIs had a negative effect. Absolutely.

But the case that these drove her into a psychotic episode is weak. This evidence continues to reveal, in my opinion, that Lindsay Clancy methodically murdered her children, and she was fully aware of what she was doing. Go ahead, David. Yeah, you know, that actually dovetails. perfectly into what I was going to say, which is that I think that there is, that there are important nuanced conversations to have about what happened here and about, you know, was she

overmedicated? Are these medications good or bad in general? I think that these are important conversations. I would even say, as a Catholic, I would pray for her. I mean, I'd pray for the kids first, but I would pray for her as well. What I don't understand are these sort of like, women who are lining up behind her, not so much to say we have to have a nuanced conversation, but to sort of be like, you know, this is the fault of men and this is an example of how oppressed we are. This was not an occasion to pull out the pink pussy hats. And yet, you know, that's exactly what we've seen happen. I actually wanted to believe at first that like there wasn't much of this, you know? like, I don't know that there's actually that much of this with, like, Luigi Mangione,

but there clearly is here. I mean, based on social media, based on the women who are literally showing up outside, that's what I always judge based on. And I don't know, man, like, it seems, they seem to just be giving her a total past that I, that I don't understand. Did you see this clip? It was on GBN News. Have you seen this?

These are two commentators. GBM News is out of... GBM News. GBM News, sorry. This is wild. Watch this. What you just said was absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And you can hear that he's not. Okay? This is true. You clearly don't care. So pipe down. And by the way, men watching this. If you have a woman sat next to you on the sofa who is defending this murderer, you got to think deeply about this. I've seen weddings.

But we need to have some empathy. Talk to your women and find out what are they thinking they're defending this woman. It's insane. I don't think anybody's defending what she did, but you can have empathy for what she went through. I know many women that this has happened to. No, they did not kill their children, but they also, what you failed to. Well, they should be condemned to because they did. I've had it with you.

Oh my God. And you're commended. They're going to kill their children. She's a murder. I can't. Okay. I mean, she lost. Well, that's my point.

Call him a misogynist. That's my point. That's what they turn this into and it doesn't make any sense. I've been working on this column about like, why are Gen X women the most conservative? If you look at the point, if you look at everything, just they are more conservative than boomers, way more conservative than millennials and Gen Z.

And I think it's really because they don't see themselves perpetually as victims and they never did. When we were in high school, well, the girls didn't think of themselves as victims being oppressed by it. They understood that they were the first women in world history who were being given equal opportunity. That's how we all acted. But when you see this, like, misogyn, like, maybe the SSR, our eyes did this, like,

maybe bad therapy did it. Misogyny didn't. That's ridiculous. Right. Right. I think I just find. Yeah. I just find it so disingenuous to hear someone say, I know many women going through this

because, no, you don't. You don't. And if you do know many women going through this, you should really consider who you're hanging around with because it's not true. Again, as someone who works in psychiatric hospitals doing these hearings, trust me, you don't know true psychosis and all the different diagnoses from psychosis from people that are just walking around dealing with shit. There's a big difference between people that have literally been diagnosed and people dealing with shit. And I hate to break it to everybody out there. We all deal with a certain level of shit.

It's relative. Some people more than others. But that doesn't mean you get a pass to have, you know, these outbursts or outbreaks, or go to the extent that this woman did. And again, going to the defense and going to the prosecution, they better do a really good job if they're going to defender saying all of that time she was under a state of psychosis because it's the break. breaks in between had a real problem for me.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedian Vince August and Fox News.com's David Marcus here on Wilcane Country. Right. All right. I want to do two more things, and I'm looking at the clock in our time. Okay, David has a column up about AI. So let me tell you where I am, David, and I'm going to vomit a series of thoughts up, and I want to get your response.

Okay, and I'm going to say something. First of all, here's the polling. 70% of people are opposed to AI data centers. And that's left and right. I had Ari Fleischer in here the other day. Ari Fleischer, press secretary for President Bush, comes from the world of PR. And he's like, no politician should be supporting AI. It's a freight train, and if you stand in front of that freight train, you're going to get run over.

Okay, that's probably accurate based upon the polling. But that doesn't help me in making up my rational, mind about data centers. And I'm not going to pretend that I know everything there is to know. But I've analyzed a lot of the pros and the cons. The pros, first of all, we see what AI is doing and helping humanity in terms of productivity, even in medicine, helping potentially to solve cancer or treat cancer. The benefits of AI are, when we all have talked about the negatives, there's clear negatives to AI. But also, you're not putting the genie back in the bottle. We all use it. We all use the technology.

We all use any technology that relies on data centers. The cons are like water. The water thing is totally overstated. At this point, I've seen enough data to show that it's not using that much water, and that there's now technology that they can take in water and use the same water for 10 years. Recycle it. The electricity bills. In most situations now, it's not rising utility rates for people in the local districts.

In fact, we have stories out of Loudoun County, Virginia and Quincy, Washington, where taxes have gone down because of the money brought in through AI data centers paying taxes. And that money has gone, for example, in Quincy, Washington to funding public schools, reducing the poverty rate. So there's real benefits to the local area. Now, when you look at the polling again, why are people opposed to it? The number one answer is environmental concerns. But come on. environmental concerns compared to what windmills solar farms coal plants what is the environmental concern of an AI data center so David I think it's you that gave me I think the perfect analogy

if your husband cheats on you and you get mad at him for bringing home the wrong milk you're not mad about the milk you're mad about the cheating and so I think the resistance to the data center is this generalized anxiety not even just about AI but about our trust of big tech in general And we're going to have to decide if that generalized anxiety and distrust is good enough to strike down something that seems right now to have way more pros than cons. Measurable pros, measurable cons. So here's the thing, Will. And I mean, that article I based on conversations I had at a county fair in West Virginia, but I've had this conversation in Texas and Michigan. I've had this conversation because people are very upset about it in a way that kind of surprising.

me. It was like, why? People don't get this emotionally involved in environmental reports. And so you're absolutely right. The milk in this case is what people are mad at is that their kids' schools are full of Chromebooks and that doesn't seem to be doing very well. What people are mad at is that if they buy a new car, it spies on them and it sells that information to advertisers. What people are mad at is that apparently now or very soon the government can just know and and track where you are, wherever you go. These are huge societal changes. And really the problem is people feel like they had very little say in this.

And I tend to agree with them, right? Here's a thought experiment that I think helps, right? Let's say we go back to 1996 and I say to you guys, all right, we got to make a decision right now. Are we going to dive right in to the big tech thing? We're going to take the, you know, to really jump in. And here's the upside. 30 years from now, you're going to have a device in your hand. It tells you everything, knows everything.

You're going to have a Dick Tracy video phone. Everything's short of jet packs this thing's going to give you. Now, there is a potential downside. The potential downside that we think is going to happen is 30 years from now, the majority of 13-year-olds in America are going to have constant, uninterrupted access to hardcore pornography. I think in 1996, we would have said, whoa, wait a second, Why don't we deal with that part first before we take the big dive?

But we didn't, right? We didn't even think about it. We were too busy downloading illegal music off of Napster and Linewire to even think about that. And so I think people in our generation today are saying, let's not do that again. And whether that means what happened yesterday, where you've got meta saying, okay, we'll do it ourselves, or whether that means the government has to step in, people are saying not this time. We have to be way, way more careful. And I think they're right.

That's a really, really good explanation because even you just doing the porn thing, that's just one of a hundred downsides that we could rattle off. Rising rates of depression, suicide, isolation, spying, tracking, and on and on. You would have laid all that out in 96. Now, the trick, David, is we, okay, the balance is we did willingly do. give up all of these things for the convenience and technology along the way. We did. Now, were we aware of what we were giving up is a separate question?

Like, how aware? We all clicked the privacy thing. We all traded away privacy for convenience. We did that. Now, if you're listening, you go, I didn't do that yet. We did. Now, they buried it like the liability waiver on the back of an amusement park ticket. You didn't look at it.

You didn't read it. But if you fall off the roller coaster, you sign a. to weigh liability. That's how it worked, because you wanted to ride the ride. And we can say, well, that was sneaky. And that wasn't the way I wanted to go into a voluntary arrangement. And I would say, you're right. But it's a trick because, and I get it. So in the end, what is it? We do a moratorium. We take a pause. We try to. The other thing is, we don't know. Can we really project all the downstream effects? I don't know that we can or ever will be. I think all big tech has to do is listen and they calm this down, right? Just listen. Just say, okay, we get it.

We're going too fast. No, and I know. And the reason they won't is because they're making all this money. But look, at a certain point, what leverage does the average American have other than being against a local data center or taking a baseball bat to a flat camera? What other leverage do they have at this point? Yeah. I mean, what David said was so brilliant because you think, So when there was a time when we were grown up as a kid, you know, there was a question, if you had a time machine and you could go back and kill Adolf Hitler before it became Adolf Hitler, would you do it? And this sounds just like that analogy, knowing what we know now, if you could go back and take out all the machines, you know, do the opposite of what the Terminator movie

was. Instead of take out John Connor, take out all the factories and keep, you know, 1980 and drag that out maybe for another couple decades to keep that type of lifestyle, would you do it? Do you think people would? I don't, what percentage of people would accept the Terminator? No, you might, Patrick, but beyond. You're also working from home on a Zoom, Patrick, so let's be real. What are you talking about? I have four nights sold out.

No, I'm off-site right now. I dare you. I would vote for that now, because I'll tell you, I'm one of the guys who loves to go to my bank and do the deposits in person, meet the teller. I love going to the post office, knowing everybody's name in there. I enjoy the human interaction. Even when food shopping, I want a clerk. I go into a store.

Someone comes up there. Hey, can I help you out? Yeah. I enjoy that human interaction. I don't know. Maybe it's just, I like human interaction. I give up convenience for sure. I get it that you do.

But be honest for a minute, all four of you. do you think that would even get a 20% popularity buy-in? If we said you could go back to 96, and you're being influenced, you're being influenced by 90s nostalgia on Instagram. I think only 20%, I don't know that you could get 20% people to agree with you. I agree with you.

I agree with you. I agree with that point. Yeah. There's a nostalgia even for people who never lived through it, right? For me, this is the. explanation of like the smoking becoming a new fad among Gen Z. I think what they find attractive about smoking is that it's analog, it doesn't plug in, right? It's a cigarette and a lighter, the same way that it was a hundred years ago.

Nothing has changed about it. And there's very, very few things like that in our life. A physical book is like that, and I think that there are people, I love that. This is why people like vinyl. This is why people like things that they can touch and they can feel and exist in reality, reality and exist in space and not just in this two-dimensional form on a screen. But you agree with me, David.

Like, so, and I think, they're not, we're not going back. We're not going back. And so that's my point. Like, so when you say to people, you know, we don't want to do this again, right? We, we want to, we want to try to anticipate some of the bad downstream effects. I'm not sure that gets popular. No, no, no. Well, I don't mean, when I say we don't want to do this again, I don't mean we don't, we, we want to

stop technology. I mean, we want to ask a lot more questions this time. We want to not ignore those downsides because we're enjoying the upside so much, right? Don't you think it's the kind of thing, David, that people say like, I should really get on a diet while eating the Doritos. Don't you think it's the kind of thing that people say while turning in the next 10 minutes to chat GPT? Yeah, it's the struggle. Yeah. It's the struggle. You know, I go to church on Sunday. How long is it after I leave church and take the communion that I sin the next time? It's probably like 15 minutes.

Then I go back. And the hardest thing is telling people that work on this technology, we're going to put guardrails on you as you're working on the technology. How do you put a governor on someone that's coming up with innovative stuff? It's, you know, and then what do you do? Once you find the innovation, say, oh, my God, look what I just worked on. It's like, well, hold on. Before we show that innovation of people, let's see what the potential effects are going to be.

It's almost counterintuitive to what exactly technological advancements are. Yeah, but big tech. And I don't think they could. I don't even think they could, Vince. I don't, this is the whole conservative mindset of unintended consequences. You don't know. We don't know what AI is going to do to us in 10 years. We can talk about it.

We can project jobs and this and that. Right. Right. But we don't, well, not even jobs for sure. Not even. I mean, it's already starting with jobs. Yeah, the jobs have already started. But, Dan, that could be a transition period. You always presume the future is a bigger version of the president.

But it's about efficiency. And that, like, well, but listen, we've had this before. Like, the horse and buggy went away. But that didn't mean that we had a net loss in jobs over the long term. Those people found other things to do within new technology. But this is artificial intelligence. It's not an airplane. We think that it's going to have a huge negative effect on jobs, but we don't know.

I think this is climate alarm as a 2.0. I don't buy this at all. I really do, man. Not all, but some. Not at all. But, how many times do you see somebody doing something and you think to yourself, that's going to be a robot in about a couple of years?

Constantly. Yeah. No, the predictions are already starting to miss the mark, right? We're hitting that five-year point where five years ago, we had all these tech gurus telling us. us that like everything was going to be completely different. The same way that we had all the climate alarmists saying like, you know, AOC in 12 years, the world's going to end.

Well, guess what? We're almost there, right? So I don't know, man. And that's another thing that I think that big tech in general can do to just like chill people out is like sell us a product, man. Like not everything has to be like transformational in the world of tomorrow today. Like just sell us a product. Don't constantly tell us that everything.

you're going to do is going to change our lives forever because nobody, I mean, not everybody wants that right now. Bill Gates says otherwise. But it did. Bill Gates said the exact same thing about climate change. True. Back to Dan and Vince, just because you can look at something and say within five years or 10 years or 15 years that a robot's going to be doing it doesn't mean the person doing that job is not employed in the future. They're just doing a different job. That's the history of innovation. Maybe this is the aberration. Maybe this is the one that really does us in. But history doesn't back you up on that. History backs up, oh, we keep working, we just work in different ways. Well, destroys mom and pop, destroys brick and mortar. It destroys towns for having

jobs. So, I mean, everything becomes so centralized and much bigger. So what does that do for jobs in the future? How does that, if you extrapolate it out, what happens to all those things? I mean, AI data centers is not like a warehouse or a factory that you'd have jobs in. Once a data center comes to a town, there's no permanent jobs in that data center. It's just, it runs efficiently on the town. But my position is, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. And nobody does.

That's why I sit here. Like, I don't know that anybody could sit here. Like, in 96, the benefit of David's thought experiment is we can give it 30 years of hindsight. We can't do that right now for where we're going to be 30 years from now. So we can take the pause. We can say maybe we should consider it. We don't even know what to consider. We don't know what the next 30 years downstream effects.

But we can use the last 30 years to help us better understand the mistakes that we made. And I think the biggest mistake that we made, and it reminds me a lot of COVID, is that we didn't think about legitimate competing interests. We just were like, oh, my God, this is awesome, this is awesome, this is awesome. and we ignored the downsides. And so I think for people our age, we can now look at it and we can say, all right, maybe we do need to slow down.

And when everyone says, oh, no, we're going to lose to China. Lose what? China's going to win the race to, like, replace human intelligence with machines. Well, I don't want to win that race. And if beating China means becoming China. You do if we're invaded by Chinese robots

or we're all working for Chinese centralized AI companies. Not from a weaponry perspective, perhaps, but not from the perspective of, like, I want AI teaching my kid. And you won't convince me that those two things are the same because they're not. And the world, we're behind on AI, technically, with China. I think the robot, and the robot soldier thing, I just think spirals us a lot closer to the use of bigger bombs and bigger weapons, because then it becomes, well, I'm just dropping this nuclear warhead on robots now. They're not people. you know so a lot of this stuff and here's something maybe for you guys or even a chat show me where a person had been replaced where now we've looked back and be like oh that was a bad idea you know what let's switch that back and let's put a human back in that position i mean i miss bathroom attendants yeah same i miss bathroom attendants i was always happy to like slip the guy a couple bucks and they'd have the collo and no one has cash anymore to tip them anymore so it doesn't matter yeah i always have a problem i always have a problem with valets.

Yeah. Like, I'm like, do you have a QR code? Yeah. Can I tap my phone here, please? I was trying to explain to my son what a bathroom

attended was that he didn't believe me. They probably would think it's creepy. Like, why's this dude hanging out with the bathroom? And he'd like, and he's like, shut up. No,

that's not. He'd wash you, rubbed down your hands for you. I don't remember that. I bring into my first one where you in my life. There used to be. There used to be. Different places from my bed.

I bet. We don't have him here. Patrick. You didn't want. It was really. I mean, not many places do. It's New York and maybe, if it's in Dallas, it's in a few spots. Like clubs have them still.

Like nightclubs. Yeah. It'd be like the Adolphus Hotel Bar or something, and I don't think it is because I'd go to the Adolphus Hotel Bar and it's not. It's a good bar. It's a good bar. Right? That's a good bar. Yes.

By the way, just one more point. There used to be elevator operators, Vince. Yes. You'd get in an elevator and there was a dude that would push the button. Like, do you really want to? want to go back and make that job a thing? There's still hard. And the service elevator and big buildings, you will often still find that there's,

and I say this as a guy who spent 10 years as a mover in New York, there are definitely still elevator operators. They just, they operate the storage ones or they operate the, there's big ones that like a whole truck can go in. Those are still human operators. They'll have food trucks and street vendors too will all be taken over by automation. I mean, Will, do I, do I, look, there are buildings in New York City that have doormen. Do I need a doorman to open a door?

No. But if it means keeping a guy in that job or a woman in that job or whoever in that job and having a meet and greet when I walk up to a building, I'm all for it. Yeah, I just, I like human interaction. I feel like I had a doorman. I had a doorman of my last billion year. I loved it. I would stand in the long and hang out and talk to him.

Yeah. I love it. But the truth serum on your test, Vince, is not whether or not you like it. The truth serum is if your rent is 10% less because there's not a doorman, are you making that choice? And you are making that choice, Vince, all day long. The cheaper coffee because there's not a person behind the counter. Whatever it is, all day long, you're making the choice. And I love you, Vince, but I think you're the guy saying I need to go on a diet while eating the Doritos.

But you know what? The coffee's easier to make, and the coffee price is still going up. So look, take policing. Take policing for an example. When I grew up, everybody knew who the cops were because the cops walked the beat. Now, in local towns in New Jersey, cops are in cars all day long with a keyboard next to them. And there's no interaction. With tinted windows. Nobody knows anybody.

They're driving around in tanks and basically looking to stop. Whereas, look, walking the beat is now a big city thing. And that's how you have community. Vince just wishes we were in 1925. I want to go back. Elevator operators and bobbies with their nightsticks. You may be old money. I'm old school.

Okay. Yeah. Mr. Old money, I'm old school. I like things the way to use today. Give me that time machine. No, somebody like a time machine. Send me back.

Get an AI to do that. I'll say this about a doorman. If you live in a doorman building, the doorman and all the people who work in that building, they know everything about your life. Yeah. And they will happily tell us over. Why do you think I stood in the lobby and talk to them?

They tell you about everything happening in the building. I didn't know I had to tip at Christmas, by the way, the first year. I didn't know you had to tip them at Christmas. Oh, yeah. Oh, you bet. That was bad. We stopped getting our packages for a while before we did. That's a big door.

Yeah. So, like, during COVID, when in New York City, you were only allowed to have like five. people in a place at once. So Rob Amari, who was at the time the opinion editor at the New York Post, had this illegal party. And I describe it in my book, but like he had like 12 people. You know, this was like a big deal. Like this was, and I remember like I went downstairs to have a cigarette with him. He was so nervous that he was like going to lose his place to live.

And he looks at me and he goes, I gave the doorman like a hundred bucks like so he wouldn't tell anybody. And he's like, I hope that he's like, I hope that the door man like, what? I said, I said, his lips are sealed, man. That's like, that's the most sacred thing you can do in New York City. You give the doorbed a hundred bucks to not say anything. That man could be pulled before the Supreme Court of the United States. He's not saying. Because if word gets out, he's screwed.

You're more like whatever grace or break the seal of confession than a doorman. Yes. That's so true. Not only that, you have an alibi for the rest of your life. Yeah. Come on. All right, I have one last little topic I want to do over time, but I love this topic. I, you know, I get comfortable more and more explaining my professional jealousies.

Ted Cruz recently interviewed Justice Clarence Thomas, and I told him yesterday. I'm just super jealous. Like, when people say, Will, who would you like to interview? I think he's my number one, Justice Thomas. I am jealous of what Will Chamberlain did on X. I don't know, Will, we follow each other, but this is how the argument went down, okay? it's a news article from Breaking 911 says, Abdul El-Sayed, we need to invest in reparations.

We need reparations in this country. And that's a position that El-Said has talked about, believing in reparations. Of course, he's talking about for black Americans, reparations for slavery. To which, Will Chamberlain says, I totally agree. American Muslims like Abdul need to pay reparations

to the families of the victims of 9-11 and the soldiers who lost their lives in the war on terror. Oh, ooh, everybody flinches. oh, whoa, you know, whoa, reparations. All Muslims need to pay reparations for this horrible thing that was done on 9-11. Jumps in now, Medi Hassan, noted far-left Islamist commentator. And he says what obviously everybody thought instinctually for a moment, but he didn't have the time forethought or anything to see the road he's walking down. He goes, nothing to see here, just a conservative pundit blaming all Muslim. in America for 9-11. Imagine if a leftist pundit blamed all Jews in America for Gaza.

Will we see heated combinations of this racist freak? Of course not. Okay. All right. He's got him. Like, you blame all Muslims for 9-11, you racist? To which Chamberlain responds. Wait, are you saying it's wrong to demand people compensated others for an atrocity they had

nothing to do with? Taking us back to the top of reparations, making people. pay for things they had nothing to do with. This, my friends, is a work of art. This is genius. This is logic unfolding and real eyes in real time. And I don't know if, did Metti Hassan respond or did he just retire? He should retire. He should go. I'm sure that he didn't retire. But this is exile stuff. This is you need to be banished from the village. You have been exposed as a buffoon. That's great. That's great. Yeah, what do you add to that?

You can't. The Picasso is up. It's framed, as I said, just put a life fixture on it. The one thing, though, about what Medi says there is, you know, the Democrats are finally starting to attack Piker because Piker said, basically, if American Jews support Israel, then that will naturally cause anti-Semitism to rise. Here's the problem with that, and why it really is so incredible. dangerous. Saying that is the same, saying that American Jews supporting Israel gives rise to

anti-Semitism is the same as saying that black people committing crimes at a higher rate than the rest of the demographic gives rise to anti-black racism. Both are wrong. The only thing that ever causes racism is the ignorance, intolerance, and lack of logic of the bigot, right? There's no reasons for it, right? There's not some tally where if enough Japanese people do, enough bad things, then I can say, all right, now I just hate all Japanese people. And if you pull that thread of collective responsibility a little bit, it takes you right to October 7th. Because when Hamas and Hezbollah look at, you know, the Nova Music Festival, they see people who are just as guilty as Benjamin Netanyahu and who they hate just as much. That's not, and they kill them.

That's not how Israel operates. That's not how the United States operate. That's not even how the Irish Republican Army operated. And so I'm glad to see that. Democrats push him back, although let's face it, John Federman was the only one who did until they thought it was going to be an electoral problem. But that's what's so dangerous here is this is like collective blame against American Jews for the act of Israel. It's it's really ugly stuff. Yeah, that's that's really interesting because he does talk about Piker, but this is not connected to the Piker. American Jews will pay the price for supporting Israel type of thing. and you're exactly right.

You could do that same logical trick that Will Chamberlain did with that statement from Piker. Do you suggest then that all black people are going to pay the price if crime stats don't come down among black people?

No, only the bigot is responsible for their bigotry. There's nothing that a group can do that causes racism. Racism is entirely the fault of the racist. Interesting. What a show! What a show!

Thank you for your TED Talk. Thank you for your time, Vince August. Thank you, Will Kane. You were trying and hide. Thank you, David Marcus, who burned down, I believe, at least half a dozen cigarettes in that, whatever he was with. Thanks for having. I'll see you in Dallas. I lost Ken. By the way, big thank you to Patrick for working on this show. Thank you for lining up all the topics and everything we discussed. You know what, you're right. It's a round of applause for Patrick. He needs that today. All right, there we go for Patrick. All right, you guys have a good one.

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