Will Cain Country - Who Are The Top Five "Value Buy" Franchises In Sports? Plus, A Comprehensive List Of Everything Canceled During The BLM Era

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

On the Friday sports edition of 'Will Cain Country,' following the sale of the Los Angeles Lakers for $10 billion, Will and The Crew break down which sports franchises could be worth even more and Will shares his top 5 "value buy" franchises.  Then, after promising a comprehensive list of everything that was canceled during the BLM era, Will delivers a list that fully illustrates the insanity of the early 2020s which saw changes to the Washington Redskins, Uncle Ben's Rice, The Dixie Chicks, and many more.  Plus, with talk of a Florida Panthers dynasty heating up, Will and The Crew debate the big question: What really makes a dynasty in sports? Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's what minority owner Mark Walter paid the bus family or paid on an evaluation of $10 billion for the Los Angeles Lakers. Walter goes from a minority owner to a majority owner, leaving the buses with a minority position for the Los Angeles. Lakers. We've discussed what that might mean for the Los Angeles Lakers on the court as a franchise as a brand. But that stunning figure got us thinking here at Will Cain Country about what, say, are the New York Knicks worth? What are the Chicago Bears worth? But it got me thinking about what are the biggest value franchises? If I had a couple bill, what franchise would I want buy if I were, say, trying to double my money. And I've got a marked. I got a top five for you on the most undervalued franchises in the big four leagues of professional sports. We've got

tinfoil, Pat. We have got two a days, Dan, and we have a fun Friday. What's up, fellas? What's happening? Happy Friday. It is a happy Friday. I like Friday. It doesn't feel like weekend, and I was driving around thinking about it yesterday. I feel like my work output is absolutely no less perhaps more yet it has a nice little vibe hanging over it summer Friday too good aura good aura for Friday aura oh my god you're talking to your sons nice nice vibe nice aura

trying to bring the demo down I think I'm killing it in the demo I think I'm too old to even say that you got to start talking to the kids yeah we got the good demo numbers ten for else we got to speak the language of the kids um all right here's the way it stands in terms of the most valuable franchises in sports if the los angeles lakers are worth 10 billion dollars well what does the top five most valuable franchises look like and it looks like the following the los angeles lakers

interestingly don't hit your top five valuation of professional sports franchises in the United States of America. So no Manchester United, no Real Madrid in this calculation. No Barcelona. Number five is the New England Patriots valued at $10 to $11 billion. Number four is the New York Knicks, 10 and a half to $11.5 billion. Number three, the Golden State Warriors evaluated somewhere between $11 and $12 billion. Number two, the New York Yankees, $11 to $13 billion, and coming in at number one the Dallas Cowboys at 14 to 17 billion dollars. But in

looking at this list, fellas, here's the conversation that I wanted to have. Wow. How about the Golden State Warriors coming in at number three? Now, I shouldn't be completely surprised because for several years, maybe even approaching a decade,

they have been considered one of the more valuable franchises in the NBA. However, there's two things. that stick out to me about the Warriors coming in at number three. That places the Warriors at the most valuable franchise in the NBA, above the Lakers, above the Knicks. And number two, growing up for me, the Warriors were a, oh yeah,

I forgot about Golden State franchise. Wild. They were not big time. They were decidedly middle class. They were much more akin to the Memphis Grizzlies than the Los Angeles Lakers. And it makes you wonder how they have become so valuable. Now, the most obvious reason is not just winning, but a dynasty.

And not just a dynasty, but a transformative star player in Steph Curry. We'll have a little conversation a little bit later here on Will Cain Country about what it takes. How do you satisfy the definition of a dynasty? But there is no doubt the warriors through the 2000s were an NBA dynasty. Now, I also think the ownership group of the Warriors is incredibly smart. It's been marketed well, not just in San Francisco and not just in America, but across the world. This is coming at a time when the NBA was expanding globally. So I imagine part of that valuation is they were winning when little kids in China were looking to buy jerseys.

And so whether or not you're running around Serbia or Beijing, there's a good chance you're going to run into a Steph Curry jersey. and that really does something, obviously, for the Warriors brand. But I still can't get over the fact that pre this dynasty, I mean, what are we talking about? Barron Davis? Like, what was your image of the Golden State Warriors? Tim Hardaway, Chris Mullen, Mitch Richmond. I mean, nice, but not exactly the most valuable franchise in the NBA material. So here's what it made me think about.

earlier this week on the will on will cane country streaming live at foxnews.com we talked about um sports owners who don't put value on winning who's the worst ownership group in sports and we talked about that there's a lot of franchises seem happy to cash in on a profit regardless of what product they put on the field or on the court but the rise of the golden state warriors shows you what winning can do to your bottom line, what winning can do to your valuation. I mean, I think that is absolutely clearly the best explanation.

And if you want me to back that up with a secondary piece of evidence, I'm going to submit to you the fifth most valuable franchise in sports, the New England Patriots. Also dating back decades, not just a middling franchise in the NFL, but probably a bottom third franchising in the NFL.

One of the biggest historical losers in the NFL outside of the NFL. that run in 1985 where they got jackhammered by the Chicago Bears, again, what are you talking about? John Hamm? What, Steve Grogan? What are we talking about when it comes to New England Patriots before the Belichick and Brady era? So winning a dynasty and star power can be absolutely transformative for what you're worth. And that got me thinking about then who are the most undervalued franchises in professional sports. I didn't run this by you guys ahead of time in a production meeting.

I didn't tell you, but I have come up with my five most undervalued franchise. And by that, I mean, if you bought them and they won, what would that do to your net worth? Now, before I give you my five, I'm just curious, again, let's do tinfoil pat because he's always good with junk pitches. I can throw a knuckleball, curveball, slider. It doesn't matter. He's going to hit it right out of the park. Vladimir Guerrero right here. Oh, he's unmuted.

No. No preparation. Oh, he's already got his mic unmuted, so I need to be careful here. I might need to be on it. I might need to place this pitch. Okay. What would you say, Patrick, are, give me your nomination for most undervalued franchise in the big four sports in America.

I think one very undervalued franchise is the Jacksonville Jaguars. not because I'm a fan, but because they are based also in London. They're an international brand. And Shod Khan is an international owner. And you could look at a valuation that's, you know, $2 to $4 to $5 billion just because of that aspect alone. Do you think if I ran into some dude from Chelsea on the south side of London, and I said to him, hey, what's your NFL team?

He's going to say the Jacksonville Jaguars? Yes, 100%. I definitely do not. It sounds weird, but I'm telling you. Yeah, it's a thing. I know it's been a thing that's been tried by the Jaguars, but I would love a focus group study. There's got to be data out there.

In fact, two days, right after you give me your nomination, I want you to go to AI, and I want you to ask your favorite chatbot, who is the most popular NFL sports team in London. And I'm willing to place a fairly significant wager that it doesn't come in, number one, Jacksonville Jaguars. You want to take that bet, tinfoil?

Just NFL. Just NFL. Favorite NFL team in London. Before you give us the answer, two days, you want to take that bet, tinfoil? Yeah, I feel pretty good about it. Okay, what do you want to bet? I don't know. What do you want to bet?

I don't know how much of a better. I don't want to bet. He just did it on his own, so now he takes his bet back off the table. It was a stupid bet anyway, because I got the field and you got one team. However, I feel confident that the answer is not the Jacksonville Jaguars. There still are quite a good number of Jaguar fans there. No, no. We're not shifting goalposts here.

Okay. We're not going from random dude in Chelsea answers Jacksonville Jaguars to there. there's still quite a few Jags fans in London. Go ahead. Spin zone. Go ahead. Two a days. So when I first looked it up, it did say the Jacksonville Jaguars was the most popular team in London

on the ground. What did you look up? What did you look up, tinfoil, that made you rescind your bet? Chad GPT told me the Dallas Cowboys were the number one. So I prompted a little different and got some fan surveys. And yes, the Cowboys came in number one on that.

So it's two different things, but I think the Cowboys are actually the most popular. Because brand recognition. How about this? Okay, if we take the Cowboys out, are you telling me it's the Jags for your boy from Nottingham? I don't believe. But are we talking about...

I don't believe that... Are we talking about... a fandom? Are we talking about fans of the brand? Because that's way different. Because if we're talking about fans of the team, I think Jacksonville Jaguars are more popular in London

than the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. Okay. So, regardless of this incredibly imprecise and still confusing answer to the question of who's the most popular franchise in London, tinfoil has nominated the Jacksonville Jaguars. Two of days. Who do you

think is the most undervalued franchise in the big four major sports in America. So if I was to, like if I'm to buy a team and I think I get a lot of value out of them right now, I think the Oakland A's, the Vegas move they could do a lot with that team. I think they have a lot of upside potential of making a lot of money for you because there's only up. They're at the bottom,

bottom, bottom. And there are a lot of fans of that team. And there's a huge, huge thing to be said about being a new team in Vegas. And I think the old nights prove that. Okay, I'm somewhat nervous about any team relocating to vote Vegas, including the Raiders, because I'm worried about the core fan base. How much of a core fan base can you build in Vegas versus your transient tourist passing through Las Vegas? You're going to get a cheap buy. You're buying on a penny stock with the A's. It's probably one of the cheapest franchises to buy in the big three sports leaving out hockey that's one of probably the cheapest franchises in baseball basketball or football and so therefore i think you do have a lot of blue sky based

upon that as you pointed out that low floor that low starting point but i want i want big money when i go to the table that's how i look at this all right i'm placing big bets and based upon my analysis of the patriots and the warriors market size and brand recognition not just low locally, but nationally, and a historic franchise that is shown like any good business and brand who has survived decades, you have also a good base of foundation, a floor to build from. We'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Fox News Audio presents Unsolved with James Patterson. Every crime tells a story, but some stories are left unfinished.

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Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Here are my top five value buys in sports. All right, at number five, the New York Jets. The New York Jets are currently evaluated at $6.9 billion. Now, I want you to know, that puts them behind, I don't know, something like 8 to 10 franchises in the NFL. This is all predicated upon. Can an ownership group come in and string together years of winning?

This is my analysis. If you can, and I appreciate that that is harder done than, said, but I want you to envision a world where the Jets won three Super Bowls in seven years, where the Jets had a franchise quarterback. I don't even care if he's a magnetic personality. It doesn't have to be Archmanning, simply a dude who becomes synonymous with the New York Jets. I think that New York is actually a perfect two-franchise market.

I lived in New York for 15 years, and I understand the difference between Jets fans and Giants fans, Yankees fans and Mets fans. And I am a fan, as you know, of Manchester City, who is essentially the New York Jets or the New York Mets of Manchester. And I have watched that franchise, granted with, you know, Arab oil money backing, turn into a dynasty. And while I wouldn't suggest you the brand has supplanted Manchester United, it has become a global brand.

Now, big English fans are going to mock it and say they're whatever they say, They're glory hunters and plastic fans. But I've seen the franchise valuations. I've seen who is selling out, for example, in the United States during the Club World Cup. I've seen fandom in the United States on a global stage. And right now, as a father of two sons that play soccer, and that means I'm constantly in the soccer world and environment, all the other dads, all the other kids are soccer fans.

Let me just tell you, there are more Manchester City fans than Manchester United fans. Now, there are a lot of Liverpool fans, and there are a lot of Tottenham fans, and there's some Arsenal fans. But I'm telling you, Manchester United at younger levels, is not treated like the Dallas Cowboys, perhaps, in London. And so I like the idea of the secondary team in a big market. And so I think the Jets are an opportunity to double your money in professional sports. at number four you might sense a theme the New York Knicks

now the New York Knicks interestingly come in as the second most valuable franchise in basketball yes so you're saying to me it's already high they're 10 to 11 billion dollars but I want you to think about this

that's without winning and so I'm going to present this question to you now and it's going to come back later as you can probably very predictably anticipate. If you're worth this much having been sad-sac for so long, how much are you worth if you actually win? That's true.

Now, one could argue, one could argue no more. Like you've maxed out your brand recognition and you make money regardless of your winning percentage. Or you could argue, wow, how undervalued. If you won like the Warriors, wouldn't you think the Knicks would be worth more than the Warriors. And by the way, the growth curve on the valuation for the Warriors is steep.

It's like hockey stick, steep during that winning. And I should note also, all professional sports franchises and notably the NFL have almost doubled in their value over the last three years.

Like since about 21, they have doubled in value. Yeah. So all of this is a good value by it. Why is that? why the past three years every i think it has to do with live sports rights largely it has to do with two things live sports rights and an increasing number of billionaires you could argue income inequality guys with a ton of money who don't know what to do with it um but also even though

you have a ton of money you don't like losing money in this game of musical chairs there's always another billionaire ready to buy um suggests it's fun it's fun you're going to make money money on its value and as television dies it's the one thing everybody feels like they have to have rights for you know and I think everybody's looking for the new sports league quite honestly and the new franchise model for live sports at number three this is going to sound somewhat hypocritical considering my earlier position with you two a days but the Las Vegas Raiders The Las Vegas Raiders have a $6.7 billion valuation. You guys are both laughing.

Have you thought about this? Because you just laughed at me with the A's. Okay, I'm going to make an argument that's different than the A's, how I distinguish the A's from the Raiders. Have you noticed who's selling the buses, even Cuban? It's like sort of independently wealthy. Cuban's different. But the buses are wealthy because of them.

the Lakers. They weren't wealthy necessarily, and then bought the Lakers. They owned it since 1979. But they're still individual owners, and she sells out to a guy who's a partner, one of the lead partners at Guggenheim Partners, a huge capital fund. Mark Cuban sells to casino owners

in the Adelson family. That's what he does. I think... Like Cuban starts a company sales. I don't think that's what he necessarily thought when he bought the Dallas Mavericks, that it was a flip enterprise. You don't really hold something for 20 years on a flip but more than 20 years um i think it's pretty clear that mark davis can't hold

on to the raiders forever like he just he is like the buses they got rich from the raiders he doesn't have the capital budget that other big deep-pocketed billionaires would have and look when i was a kid and i'll say this independence of gangster rap it was the coolest brand in the NFL Raiders the coolest brand in the NFL the raiders the coolest brand in the The Raiders, without a doubt. Black and silver, that pirate logo. And then, of course, Gangster Rap did its own thing with the Raiders brand. Ice Cube.

I mean, made it more popular. It did make it more popular. But independent of Gangster Rap, going back to the 70s, that brand, that image, if they won, you would see the bandwagon for Raiders explode. I think it might actually have the biggest bandwagon potential. I put it at number three. The only reason I don't have it higher is because of Las Vegas, because of what I said to you about the A's. I don't think the A's have that historical nationwide fan base,

that ubiquitous brand that non-sports fans would be wearing because it's a fashion statement like they do with really only two brands that I can think of. And that's the New York Yankees and the Raiders. Like you could see somebody wearing that hat, And you don't necessarily assume they know who Kenny Stabler is. You know what I mean? Yeah, the A's are a cool logo in colors, though.

I see people wearing them. That's subjective. But you're not going to, I don't think it's a fashion statement. An A's hat, green and yellow, that's, that's a baseball fan. I'm stretching, yeah. That's not. How about this? A supermodel walking around the streets of Los Angeles or New York.

You know she doesn't watch. Couldn't you see her wearing a Yankees hat and couldn't you see her wearing Raiders gear? Anywhere in the world? Yes. Can you envision a scenario where that same supermodel is wearing a satin, green, A starter jacket? She knows ball. Yeah, she knows ball. I don't think so.

I think I might have ranked them too low. I love coming in at number three, the Las Vegas Raiders. At number two. The New York Giants, valued at $7.3 billion below the Eagles, below the Bears, who I almost placed in my top five, because I think there's an argument for the Bears as well, similar to the Giants. Huge historical brand, longtime franchise, awesome local fan base, since the 90s for both of them, really the 80s for the Bears, no consistent winning.

I guess we're going to, I guess Eli, okay, I stand corrected Giants fans. You've got your random, Eli. That's the weird thing about those giant Super Bowls. They never felt like the Giants are back. You know what I mean? It never felt like the Giants, boy, that's the team to beat in the NFC. And yet they won the Super Bowl twice. And what we're talking about is if you could string together that five to ten years,

that seven-year period of consistent winning in multiple Super Bowls, what would that do to your franchise valuation? and I still think, as much as I like the Jets, the Giants are clear the number one team in that market, like, clear. And just here's my scenario. If the Giants won, like the Chiefs or the Patriots, don't you think the Giants could rival the Cowboys in brand ubiquity? Sure.

Don't you think the Giants would easily leap the people they're behind now, meaning the Niners, the Eagles, the Bears, even the Patriots, don't you feel like the Giants would be right there behind the Cowboys and biggest franchise valuation if they had a good seven-year dynasty? Absolutely. They'd be huge. I mean, like outside of New York, I live in New York, do you see Giants hats and Giants gear where you guys are ever?

No, not really, but I mean, more than Jaguars. True. That's true. I'm also starting to notice a theme in your list. But I, but then again, but then again, I don't live in London. Yeah. That's their biggest market. I'm starting to notice the trend with your list here and very New York centric.

I think it's actually, to some extent, it's an insult to New York, Dan. Like, outside of the Yankees, you have a bunch of essentially underachieving franchises for your market size and franchise potential. And that's my thing. It's not that I'm sitting here ready. to sing New York, New York with Sinatra on in the background. It is, wow. I mean, think how big the Knicks could be. Think how big the Jets and the Giants actually could be.

And it's a pretty big indictment of current ownership. Go ahead, tinfoil. The Giants are almost there. I mean, they have that defensive line right now. They finally got their quarterback. Does Jackson Dart him? Watch out. I'm not talking about Jackson.

Yeah, you're big Jackson Dart guy? Oh, no, no. I'm talking about Jackson Dart. No, the guy who's going to win the... Oh, you're not. The quarterback battle. Tommy DeVito. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tom, perfect, right. Perfect. Tommy fits New York, perfect. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Tommy DeVito. Tommy DeVito. Yeah.

The guy. He's killing it. The guy who just fits New York market. They're going to love them. Just going to beat it up. What a cluster that is, that quarterback situation. That's going to be fun to watch. Week three, they don't know what their identity is.

No, the one who wins is going to get traded. That's what's going to happen. Don't leave the audience guessing. He's his Jacksonville Jaguars insanity only trails his James Winston insanity. James Winston, savior of the New York Giants franchise. Coming in at number one, most perhaps undervalued, biggest money-making opportunity for any professional franchise in sports. At number one, the smirks are already on their face, but it's true. It is your Dallas Cowboys.

Boo. Even though they are the world's most valuable franchise, which a $14 to $17 billion estimated franchise value, I think, undercuts their true value. Are you telling me for just a few $4 billion more from paying for the Los Angeles Lakers, you can get the Dallas Cowboys? No, I think it's easily a double of the Los Angeles Lakers,

but all of that having been done while being a decidedly middling franchise for over 25 years. What that says is one more dynasty like this would skyrocket the valuation of the Dallas Cowboys. You're telling me little boys in London are wearing Dallas Cowboys gear at 8 and 8. What do they do at 13 and 3 on multiple franchise Super Bowls built upon the dynasty of the 90s? I mean, to the moon for the Cowboys. I mean, if you're not a person named Jerry Jones, you could do a lot with that squad and that team. Do you guys honestly disagree with me?

Like, imagine if the Cowboys are. It's just hard to have them on. Imagine. It's just hard to have them on this list because they're the Cowboys. It just doesn't make sense. It's almost nonsensical to put them in this. You said value buys. I just don't.

Yeah. That's like the top value. Well, but a value buy doesn't mean that it's a penny stock. I mean dividends. A value by means that it is currently priced or evaluated less than what it's actually worth. And Dan can buy his A's at $1 billion and flip him for three. I buy the Cowboys at $14 billion and honestly think I can get $25 billion for it. No way.

Who made the better value bet? Who made the better value bet? but isn't there a ceiling isn't there a ceiling the Cowboys were good they were good and they won fine

let's be less rosy let's be hard on our business our business plan I buy them at 14 I put together a consistent winner and I sell them for 19 that's even less than

the double of the Los Angeles Lakers and I still made $5 billion to your two I just don't I think there's a ceiling with that I mean when you're talking about that high of numbers

I don't know you triple the A's. I let you triple the A's, by the way, and you're not even going to let me double the Cowboys for winning. That's, I think one of us is being insane. By the way, Kansas City Chiefs in 2017 evaluated at $2.3 billion. The Kansas City Chiefs today, 4.85 billion, probably worth more, to be honest. That is the inflation of NFL franchises, which I explained to you a few moments ago, but also a dynasty and Patrick Mahomes. I want you to give that same dynasty, that same star. No, no, you don't have to have that star.

You just have a consistent quarterback and that dynasty. Give them to the Giants. Give it to the Raiders, give it to the Jets, give it to the Knicks, give it to the Cowboys, and ask me if it doesn't have some type of similar percentage jump and evaluation. There's your top five value buys in the NFL. We promised that we would catalog the death of the big brands. Not a complete inventory.

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Story number two. We put together in a list for you based upon our conversation on Thursday's episode where we organically started wondering, hey, yeah, yeah, Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben's, Washington Redskins. What had to go during our national reckoning of 2020 and 2021. And the boys,

Tenfoil Pat, and Two A Days Dan, have helped put together an exhaustive list of all the brands that had to die. And as I looked over this list, A,

it is hilarious that we did this. It really is. Sad, scary, and also hilarious that we are so manipulable, so weak, so reactionary

in America that we cannot have Uncle Ben's rice that we have to go to Ben's original. And that's just the start. There is a push we should note to come back to some of these brands. There's even some rumblings about going back from Washington commanders to Washington Redskins. I believe there's been some hints like a spear kind of brought into one of their logos, some other stuff that suggest, but I ultimately think they don't have the balls to bring back Washington Redskins. But we should take a little list, take a little overview of everything that had to die.

Now, Tinfoil Pat's got a list for us, and you can share some of those. But I'm going to start with two of my favorites that I didn't realize had died. I did not realize these two brands committed. What's that when a samurai sticks his sword into his belly? Sapoku. That these brands, thank you, Dan, had committed Sapoku with their legacy. I didn't know there was no much There's no such thing anymore as Eskimo Pies

Had no idea Can't say that Yeah Yeah I've been more I've been walking around saying Eskimo Pyes What's wrong with Eskimos? I don't think I

I don't even think I know what an Eskimo pie is It's not a It's never been in my rotation Chocolate on each side of cracker with marshmallow inside No Mm-hmm Isn't it just ice cream With a chocolate crust around it

Like a vanilla white ice cream it's got crust in it like a crunch to it oh maybe what's the difference between an Eskimo pie and a Klondike bar are they the same just different brands

yeah I think it's very similar yeah now here's my question is an Eskimo pie on a stick like a Klondike's not is Eskimo pie on a stick it is or was was on a stick it's now Edie's pie

what that has had to die, too, because of George Floyd sticks, popsicles, no more? No, it's on a stick, yes. Okay. Do you know what they're called now? You probably do because you're sitting there looking at your computer. Eaddy's Pie? Or Eddies Pie?

Eddies Pie? I don't know. Eaddy's or Eddie's pie? Yeah. Huh. I could be wrong. I'm always wrong. Eskimos got erased all over, Dan.

Did you know, like, the Canadian Football League team, the Edmond's in Eskimos, no more. Yeah, but no more. That's a derogatory name. Edmonton Elk. I don't know. I mean, I didn't know that. I understand that Eskimos isn't an accurate tribal name.

Like, I think there's a bunch of tribes up there around the Arctic, like the Inuits, but, and others. But I never have understood it to be derogatory in any way. Eskimo? It's more, it's Inuit. You can't do that. Inuit, you're supposed to say. Eskimo's a broad label. Oh, that no.

So that was the real purge in sports, by the way, not just Eskimo Pyes, but like the Edmonton Eskimos, like the Indian purge in sports because of our national, you know, reckoning on race was not complete, but it was exhaust. It was pretty thorough. We lost the Cleveland Indians. I'm pissed about that one. High schools across the country.

What's that? I'm pissed about that one. high school was Indians and they changed it too um I was pissed about the Cleveland Indians my my grandfather's uncle played for him and now they're the guardians and now it's like all different and just I don't know it's weird such a generic just lame the guardians guardians and commanders are they guarding in Cleveland there's not much to guard well I think the guardians because they apparently have yeah they have bridges and statues or statues on bridges of like guardians and

something that but I mean that is so So I love hyper-localized sports names, but that is like so hyper-localized and then generic that it does not at all hit sweet spot. And just for the record, there's nothing derogatory about the term Indian. There is nothing. And I have had this debate. I've had this conversation. I have talked to American Indians. Like the idea that Native American is more socially acceptable to American Indians is insane.

It is not. It is absolutely not. It is a government, generic, created concept, and there's nothing derogatory about Indians. Like, as a phrase, as a term, nothing derogatory. I will tell you this. I mean, how about this? Indian country. I believe that's the name of the newspaper was in Oklahoma.

I mean, look at self-monicored things in Indian territory, any Indian reservation, and they're not running around and running from that. And then I'll fall back. I will always, and I'm factually correct on this. The most popular football team on Indian reservations with Native American Indian populations was the Washington Redskins simply was. The logo, which was bad ass, was created by a Blackfoot Indian in Montana. It is cool looking. It's not derogatory.

And the absurdity of Bomani Jones wearing a not your mascot or whatever he wore to make fun of the Cleveland Indians mascot, the Cleveland Caucasians. I mean, as though, what is the saying they say not your mascot?

I mean, these are, the people that do this are activists who have made this their niche and their reason for existence, and I am very comfortable and confident in saying they do not represent the majority opinion of American Indians

Even the entire tribes have taken this on as their activist caused on the East Coast largely And I will tell you that most of my exposure, to be fair, most of my exposure is to Plains Indians, meaning I've been on reservations and I have been interactive with

and lived around Indians in Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, places like that. So maybe some of your East Coast tribes have taken this on as their political cause, but in my experience and in the data, the backs it up, this is not seen as offensive or derogatory. And some people survive. To my point, it wasn't complete. It was just exhaustive. You still have your Atlanta Braves. You still have your Kansas City Chiefs.

And here's hoping they survive because it is not offensive. Even though that's a subjective concept, I once had debate with an ESPN personality. It was when I first joined. or I hadn't even joined yet, had dinner, and this came up. I'm not going to tell you it was, because it was a private conversation. And I literally said, like, but people don't, I shared everything I just said. And he goes, but if one person finds it offensive, I'm like, one person, we're done. Like, gonzo.

If your standard is one person, nothing survives this purge. Go ahead, two days. No, I was saying that happened in my high school. We were the Guilford Indians in Connecticut, and they changed it to the Eagles. And even the local were by those Native American Indian casinos, and they didn't have a problem with it back then. They said, yeah, sure, whatever. All right, on that same note, by the way,

I didn't realize this brand had, I mean, I'm not even sure if you guys are familiar with this brand, but this was something we drank in college. Crazy Horse. Did you guys ever drink Crazy Horse? No. I think you're both younger, and it could be that it was a little more of a West Coast thing,

but it's a malt liquor. Did you ever go through a malt liquor face? You know, did you ever drink? What? No. No. Malt liquor? Like a 40?

Yeah, exactly. A 40. No, I never drank 40s. We did. We did in the 90s. Bro, where did you grow up? Well, we did. I mean, we knew what we knew what we were doing.

We watched Boys in the Hood and went and bought some O.E. I drank twisted T. What are you nuts? smearing off ice is an hash listed tea back in the end we had mad dog 2020 we had like that stuff too that you i can't believe that wasn't a thing alcohol has changed but buying cheap alcohol like that was when you were first like in your 20s like you know the cheap wines like strawberry wine and mad dog 2020 and all that kind of stuff strawberry hill that's different like phronsia yeah you know but like bottled you know, wine

and bought, like, definitely, man, I've had, I can't remember all the brands, but, I mean, there was an effort at one point to try them all. Old English. Cheap vodka. But one of them is crazy, was Crazy Horse. Came in a clear bottle. By the way, horrible hangovers on malt liquor.

And you guys know who Crazy Horse was. Crazy Horse is a famous historical Indian, fought back against the American government. He was Sioux, Lakota, fought with Sitting Bull. And his monument in South Dakota is the one they've been building for over like 40, 50 years. It's unfinished. It's out of there. It's close to Mount Rushmore.

And it's gigantic. It's gigantic. It's Crazy Horse on a horse, but they've really only carved out like a third of it. They continue to work. But I mean, like, it's now called Lucky Horse instead of Crazy Horse. Because I guess what? You can't acknowledge the existence of Crazy Horse. in some way.

I don't know. You wasn't crazy? The more comical ones are the Dixie Chicks becoming the chicks. Lady Antebellum becoming... What is that? Antebelum is a period in culture, southern culture. I didn't know that. You know? Anabellum culture.

Elabellum architecture. Anabellum dress. You know what I mean? Is that racist? That whole look. I don't know. I mean, I guess you could say it's the culture. It was...

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could say, I mean, did, remember, they canceled a freaking, they canceled a Bachelor or Bachelorette contestant because she went to a fraternity or sorority party that was Annabellum themed. And not only did they cancel her, you remember the host of the Bachelor, he defended her. He just said like, hey, you know, maybe this isn't cancel worthy. And they canceled that son of a bitch. Just for that. He didn't even go to the party or he just was like doing what I'm doing right now, kind of have a rational conversation about destroying people's career. and entire periods of American history, and they're like, you've got to go too.

So, yeah, Anabellum and Dixie. Those words had to go. And we lost Dixie on a lot of things, right? There's a couple of beer companies and so forth. We lost Dixie on. What are some of your favorites that got canceled? Aunt Jemima kills me. It's such a brand recognition thing.

I just don't know why people found it offensive. I mean, it is a great brand. I think people are trying to get it to come back, but Antimonemimo was great. I don't get that one. The one that makes me mad is Splash Mountain is now based off of the Prince and the Frog instead of, you know, it was just a classic ride.

What's wrong with that? I don't know. Well, it was the rare rabbit. Well, it was Anabellum. Tie-in. It was Anabellum, Song of the South. Southern. Themed Southern.

Damn. Yeah, it was a cancellation of everything, Southern. Oh, yeah, they did. They didn't play banjos, so that's really awful. He shouldn't do that. I didn't know they'd done this. Who created... Who created the story for Song of the South.

Oh, really? I grew up hearing people say they're going skiing in Squaw Valley, which is in Lake Tahoe, California. I didn't know that had been canceled. It's called Palisades Tahoe now, not Squaw Valley. Of course, everyone knows about all the monuments. The forts. It came down.

All the forts. Good point. Yep. I didn't know Red Man was gone. Red Man tobacco. I thought you talked about the rapper. From Wu-Tang Clan. Oh, I wonder what he's doing.

Yeah. You can get away with it maybe? Yeah. I think Red Man was the second tobacco I ever chewed. I bet if you rewind the clock to 15-year-old Will, the first tobacco ever put in my mouth was probably Levi Garrett and then the second was probably Red Man and this is like chewing tobacco

you guys know what that is right? Oh yeah Did you ever do chewing tobacco? I have baseball Mix it with gum A lot of people use these words generically like dip and chewing tobacco but they have specific things that

man back in the day I mean I don't know if we were trying to trying to look like dirty Steve and young guns, but you'd put that in your cheek, and your cheek would sit there like it had a baseball in it. Your teeth were brown as could be, and you spit out the biggest, longest string of brown liquid over and over. It's so gross, Dan, and your whole mouth is coated, your whole mouth. And God forbid, but it happened every time, that slimy, spicy liquid dribbled down the back

at your throat, you know, and it's just so rough. Bro, I'm going to throw up. You see the baseball players like Raphael Devers right now, who just got traded. She's just a big honka in his cheek. Does Devers chew tobacco? Really? Like, wonder what his brand is. I don't think you're supposed to, but we used to mix it with Big League chew when we

played baseball, so I think they'd do something like that. Oh, look at Mrs. Hatton making her appearance on Caneon Sports, Will Kane Country. It was my mom, yeah. Oh. Well, still technically. That's what I said, Mrs. Hatton. Yeah. You got it right.

That was fun. Little appearance in the background and a quick retreat. We're going to have to grab that video. She can close the door. Yes, she didn't. So, Raville Devers, I wonder what is brand of choices on chewing tobacco. I don't know. I was just watching it the other night.

You had a big old... I don't think you're allowed to do that, though. I know, but I think they have ways around it with, like, gum and that. kind of thing because they still do it you see the dip tins in their in their pants yeah it may be it may be it may be you know at this point nicotine pouches he would have to have like six of them in to be that big um i wonder my evolution goes like this how many how it is stereotypical for most people so varying brands of chewing tobacco Levi Garrett red man so forth into bandits skull bandits flavored cherry mint into tobacco flavored bandits because you're trying to become a man

into skull into well you're trying to graduate you're trying to amp it up and get to be real we all know what your graduate degree is and you're trying to work your way towards your graduate degree and I'll explain it in a moment but then you go skull long cut right and there's a lot of guys that stopped here they just decided I don't need I did I don't need a degree I'm not going higher I like skull long cut so I'm stopping and I understood those guys because it was easy to keep together it had a little flavor it was good but you know I have an ego and I was like I got to go all the way I got to get there you know and then there was some guys there was your random guys it veered off in odd directions like codiac and they seem to be the guys that love them some winter green

flavored stuff or that kind of thing and then they they make a Copenhagen long cut and you kind of go okay I'm going to try that baby steps right until finally you can arrive on the podium with your cap and gown and you are a Copenhagen fine cut guy and that's when you have graduated when you can stick the thumb and forefinger down in that tin mash it together enough pinch it that it stays together. Get it into your bottom lip without it all falling apart. Keep it together while it's in your mouth so it doesn't disintegrate all over the place. Constantly work on the sides of it with your tongue until it's packed together. And then convince yourself that it tastes amazing. And I have a lot of buddies that convince themselves and they have stuck with it

forever. And finish the entire can before it dries out. That was the real trick. before all the moisture leaks out the cardboard bottom of the Copenhagen tin. And when you had graduated and you at your cap and gown, you would let other guys know, like an Aggie ring. When you walk around with your Aggie Ring on, the way that you would have your Aggie Ring on is you would walk around with your 10 and do this first.

Pack it down. That's so lame. I've seen it all the time. You had to pack it down onto the side and you had to get that front finger loose so you could hit it over and over and over. And then I question. quit when my wife was ultimately grossed out. So I quit.

And then they came out with snooos, camel snooose. That was good. I tried that. Oh, that's interesting. Need to try that. And then they came out with the Swedish stuff or brought the Swedish stuff to America like General, which was also a snooose and was better than camel. So you'd have to go to a specialty store and get that.

But then I quit that. And then they came out, not with Zen. What was the last thing before Zen? There was one more trip around the experimentation. stage before zen i don't know i stopped at that point i had pouches i did pouches i went back down from long cut to pouches yeah i'm going back but that's the point we're going back to the point we're here now back to just nicotine pouches there's your trip by the way red man is now called america's best chew land of lakes lost the lady fair and lovely became glow and lovely

Cream of Wheat, images under review, Mrs. Butterworth's label is being reconsidered, we are still in the phase of considering, but maybe coming back from our great national reckoning on killing brands and statues and nicknames across America. What's it take to be a dynasty? Let's get into that next. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at Thequiz. Fox. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world.

Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Story number three. Florida Panthers two-time Stanley Cup champion. Are they a dynasty? Vote quickly. Around the horn. Two days, Dan. Are they a dynasty? Yes. Tenfoil, Pat.

No, they're in many dynasty. I mean, they have the president's cop, three final appearances. It's a long stretch, but it's not quite there yet. Didn't need a book. I went to tinfoil second, thinking he would be the most biased, but instead it's you that are the most wrong, Dan. Two does not make a dynasty. I think your minimum threshold on a dynasty is three. and I am not

I don't think you have to do what the Cowboys did or for that you don't have to win three in a row and I don't think you have to win three out of four is my point I think that the Chiefs are a dynasty I think they're a current dynasty and the Chiefs have what three scattered over a four-year period so 20 miss in 21 and 22 win in 23 and 24

and but they went in 21 and 25 and lost So they've been, and what is that, five of the last six Super Bowls, one, three of the last six Super Bowls. That's a dynasty. That's a dynasty. And they're still in it. You can be in a dynasty while other teams win. But I think the minimum is you have to win three.

Back-to-back is its own thing, you know. That's its own thing. And that's commendable and big time and all that. but like we don't look back on the Houston Rockets of the 90s wasn't it the Rockets in the midst of the Bulls dynasty and say it was interrupted by a dynasty didn't the Rockets win both of the NBA finals between the Bulls three beats yeah so do you look back on that Rockets team and call it a dynasty I don't but I do I do disagree that you have to win you have to win three I do think that there are some things you can do to still be a dynasty, qualify as a dynasty, by not winning three. They've been dominant still. They're hard to do.

And I don't think that that Rockets team was dominant for as long a period of time that they needed to be to be a dynasty. Agreed. Well, give me an example. Give me an example of franchise that just won it twice, but we consider a dynasty. Now, now this is going to be, I'm going to bring bias in here. Okay. Well, the Giants is a good example.

But now I'm going to be biased Instead of objective But Florida State in the 90s Was a dynasty They went to You know Four national championship games Dang it

Should have been more Only one to Just win the show I mean Come on man How did we get to Florida State In this entire show There are no

We're talking about your hockey team And this is what you do with it There's no rational person In the world That thinks Florida state was a dynasty. It's literally a recognized, one of like a handful of recognized dynasties by the NCAA.

Zero. No. Yes. By the NCAA. By the NCAA. Since when does the NCAA put out dynasty rankings? I'm telling you. They're on the list.

Well, we'll bring it back. It's like the governor's cup. Yeah. It's 14 straight top five finishes. I'm not, but I'm not saying, I'm saying like peak consistency. should matter, you know, and that does factor in. I don't, you know, the Rockets teams didn't have that. I should have seen where this was going.

When he denied his Panthers dynasty status but said, you can do it with two, but it requires more. It was all a buildup to this weak argument that the Florida State Seminoles were a dynasty. I mean, a college football dynasty is the Alabama Crimson Tide. Yes. That's a dynasty. Yep. Georgia.

You know, the Georgia Bulls, dogs currently constructed are in the process of trying to establish a dynasty. Their problem is, so is Ohio State. But no, there are certain things, which makes it hard in college football to do, but you have to win within a given period of time consistently. And if you're going to stretch that period of time out, and I don't begrudge you that, a dynasty can be 15 years. Some of those Yankees dynasties were a long time.

And you don't have to win every year. you've got to be in it, but you've got to be winning it all every couple years. Like over a given period of time, I think you need to have a good 30, 40% of the titles. Now, I'm just spitball on that because I do think the San Antonio Spurs were a dynasty. And I don't know how many titles they won

over the period of that dynasty. What did they end up with, Dan? But I think they satisfied it. I think they're three. I think they're three. So, but are you telling me, okay, another bias. They have five. They have five in 15 years, the Spurs, from 99 to 2014.

And that is Duncan, Parker, Genobley, Popovich. That's another thing. You need to have a core, and this makes it hard for college football, a core consistent team. It's not a complete reinvention. But you can get close. I mean, really with the Patriots, all it was was Brady and Belichick.

But there's got to be something that ties it all together. A consistency. The only college dynasty you could say is the Yukon and Women's basketball. I think that's the only college dynasty. Well, Alabama. That's a fair one, but Alabama.

Crimson Tide and football. Sure. Come on. Sure. I mean, that's a dynasty, but... Cowboys... Nineties Cowboys going back to professional sports. for a second. That was, right? That's a dynasty. It was a dynasty, but as time goes on, I mean, there's no doubt it was a dynasty.

It was a short-lived dynasty. I mean, if we're being real and being honest, that was what? We'll call it a, we'll call it like a five-year dynasty. Yeah. Like, if you give it, if you give in retrospect the dynasty a little bit of time on its front and back-end, like as it's building and that last year where they're still good, but, you know, they don't get there. I mean, that is what, 92 to 96? Five straight NFC championship fans. Yep.

And so then you look what the Patriots have done and you're like, whoa, you know, even the Chiefs now at this point. You're like, whoa, they did it a lot longer. Now, I think the Cowboys dynasty during its three to four years was more dominant than the Chief's dynasty in a concentrated period of time. and I think we'd have to look back because the Patriots dynasty lasted so long did they have a concentrated period where they were the problem for the Patriots is the Giants their most dominating teams

were beat by the Giants in the Super Bowl that's the problem for the Patriots but when the Cowboys were doing their thing I mean the only franchise the only franchise it was even close to them was the San Francisco 49ers and I mean they blew out the bills almost every time they played them

they embarrassed I'm not trying to be mean. They embarrassed the Packers back then. Like, embarrassed them every year. You've heard that story. My favorite one is, I think it was the Packers, the defensive line was to talk about that, what Larry Allen used to do.

Like, he would tell them what play they're going to run. That's why. They would approach the line of scrimmage, and he would tell them, we're running it right here behind me. And he'd come up and go, chew, chew. By the way, he played with a huge Copenhagen in his mouth while he played. And he would go, chew, chew, chew, and go, we're running right here behind me.

And let them know, that's where the plays are. And they did it? Nothing you could do. Yeah. And there's nothing they could do. Nothing they could do. That's crazy. But, so not yet for your Panthers, not ever for your Seminoles.

No dynasty. For Florida State. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on Will Kane Country. Thanks for listening to this Canaan Sports Edition. It's been fun having you hang out. We'll see you again on Monday. Same time, same place. Fox News.com, Fox News, YouTube, Fox News, Facebook.

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