Will Cain Country - Who Is Trump's REAL Running Mate? With Tomi Lahren!

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

Story #1: Is former President Trump's real running mate RFK Jr. and not Senator J.D. Vance? Plus, are video games and watching sports a turn off? A conversation with the host of Tomi Lahren Is Fearless on Outkick, Tomi Lahren. Story #2: Did California Governor Gavin Newsom admit the Democrats staged a coup? Story #3: On the third anniversary of the Kabul airport bombing in Afghanistan, Former Green Beret Scott Mann says the terror threat is at an all-time high. A conversation with former Navy SEAL, Congressman Ryan Zinke (R-MT). Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who's Donald Trump's real running mate? Is it J.D. Vance? Or is it now? Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Two. Tommy Laren of Outkick. Tommy Laren is fearless. He joins us today here on The Will Kane Show. And three, on the third anniversary of Afghanistan, former Green Beret Scott Mann says the terror warning dashboard isn't just lighting up. It's smoking. Let's talk about the hidden terror fear. Now from Afghanistan with former Navy SEAL and Congressman Ryan Zinke.

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If somebody were to watch the Will Kane show, how are we doing, fellas? Are we streaming live? We have video. We are streaming live. We're getting video back up. We had some tech issues to start the show, but we're getting it back up and very quickly here. All right, well, that's going to inhibit our conversation. I know that somewhere back there in the bowels of New York City,

the 15th floor of the Fox News headquarters, two a days, is furiously mashing buttons and making sure Tommy Laren is still on the line and not panicking because he's generally a calm individual, but basically incapable of chit-chat and small talk. Tommy's still there. Okay, well, I was going to talk about for a moment that football is back. See, on Saturday, I went and had a few beers in New York with Pete Heggseth and Rick Reikmuth, the Fox and Friends weekend, male team went and hit the treats in New York.

And I just want to tell you, for all the hate and deserve criticism for the big out, Apple. When football is back, New York is back. When the bars are open and the doors are open and the windows are open and the TVs are tuned in to, in this case, college football, Florida State, Georgia Tech. But we move throughout the weeks here, not just college football, but pro football. It is the best version of New York. And then when you get that a little bit of chill in the air and it's fall, that's when not just football back, but New York is back. We watched a little Georgia Tech, Florida State. going on the new season but this is mid-season politics so let's get right to it with

story number one she is the host of Tommy Laren is fearless she is Tommy Laren here on the Will Kane show hi Tommy great to see you and as wonderful as New York sounds I think Tennessee might have you beat when it comes to college football. Even though I'm not a Tennessee fan, I represent the Tennessee fans, I suppose. Well, listen, there's no New York Homer in me. This is a little bit like the moments of political analysis that I try to achieve. I'm not rooting for this outcome. I'm just describing reality. And I am a Texas Zionist. I mean, I go the way Texas goes. And I love Tennessee, for that matter. But the truth is, I can't speak to Nashville, because maybe down there on Broadway, you've got a good football watching scene. But in Texas,

most of the time when you get together with the boys and you watch football, it's in somebody's backyard or somebody's living room. New York just has this one little atmosphere that makes it perfect where you can go to bars and it's wide open. And come September, it's the perfect temperature. It is the best thing about New York, in my estimation. It's not Broadway. It's not foodieism. is this little slice of new york that somehow has dialed in how to watch football and i got to be honest i can't find the texas version of that besides being right there in the middle of darrell k royal memorial stadium or the tennessee version of that that matches what new york can do in the fall when it comes to football the weather i will give you that because i'm sure dallas right now is

like nashville right now and it's like the center of hell at temperature wise so i will give it to you new york is cooling down. We like to see it. So I will give you that. But, you know, well, I did live in Dallas for three years and I went to a lot of bars and watched a lot of Cowboys football. So I think there's a scene. You just might be removed from the scene in Dallas, which is okay. What are you trying to say? Was that an age shot? Was that a shot at my age, Tommy? I too now live in the suburbs of Nashville. So I understand I don't venture to Nashville itself anymore either. So, completely understandable. But back in my early and mid-20s, I'm telling you, Dallas has an unmatched scene. You've got to check it out sometime. I think that was definitely a shot at my age. So I got to

hang out with Tommy last week in New York on a Fox Nation special. And one of the things that I've increasingly come to appreciate about Tommy is your independence. You know, Tommy, and I don't give gratuitous compliments, so I say this because I think it's apropos of the conversation. The more that I get to you the more that I like you. It's interestingly, what made you famous is a certain version of Tommy, but the more I'm around you, Tommy, I hear to what to me is a surprising version of Tommy Laran. And it's only because I'm getting to know you, I think, a little more. And who you are is not quite exactly the person that got famous. I'm not saying it's an act. I think with all of us, there's certain sides of us that everybody gets to know. And I'm seeing other sides of you. And the

main thing I'm talking about right now is you're really independent and unpredictable. And what I'm talking about is when it comes to politics. So I want to ask you first, I think the way to start this conversation is probably the biggest news of the past three or four days. And that is the endorsement for Donald Trump by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I was with you on Thursday. This happened on Friday. So I don't know yet what you'll say about RFK. Well, the way I feel about RFK, and I've talked to his running mate, Nicole Shanahan a few different times on my Outkick show, I love the independence. And honestly, one of the things I love about RFK, regardless of the Trump endorsement, I know that there's a lot of conservatives that are now celebrating him. But even going back to way before that, what I appreciate about RFK is his battle against COVID protocols and COVID propaganda.

That's something that I was very outspoken of. about and something that I was also censored about. So I've long respected him for that reason. He's got a commitment to free speech. There are a lot of things on his agenda that don't align with mine. But I appreciate his independence. And I also appreciate the fact that he is willing to really piss off his entire legacy family to be his own person and even piss off Hollywood because his wife is a fixture of Hollywood. Curb Your enthusiasm, obviously a big star. So I appreciate the fact that he's willing to do what it takes to be true to himself and to have integrity. to what he believes in, and some people don't think that's the case because he endorsed the

almighty Donald Trump, and to them that's horrible. But for me, you know, I think it was a wise decision on his part, and it just goes to show you how bad Joe and Kamala are that, you know, they flipped a Kennedy to a trumper. Yeah, let's talk about RFK for a moment before we get to the impact on Trump. I saw Bradley Whitford. He is one of the stars, I guess, of the show West Wing, tweet at RFK's wife, Cheryl Hines. And Cheryl Hines, as Tommy mentions, as an actress. She was, for me, most notable in Curb Your Enthusiasm, the wife of Larry David. She's married to RFK.

And Whitford tweeted at Hines how ashamed she should be that she sits silent while her husband endorses Donald Trump. And there is obviously a level of grotesqueness to that that I think should be obvious to anyone, Tommy, but somehow escapes this Hollywood celebrity. You are tweeting at the spouse of a man who's made a choice that you find disagreeable and you think you're the good guy. And RFK's sister came out and disavowed herself and many people have pointed out, notably Tammy Bruce at Fox, your family has helped apologize for or overlook all manner of sin, moral degradation, you know, obviously womanizing in affairs, but even worse when it comes to 10. Teddy Kennedy, your family has stuck together, but the minute that one of your family members disagrees, this is the bridge too far. This is when he can no longer be a Kennedy. It is really

gross the way that people around RFK are responding to his endorsement of Trump. I think it just goes to show when someone shows you who they are, believe them, and all these Kennedy is obviously a legacy family. It's always going to be an important family. And they can't take his name away, by the way. So as much as they want to disavow him and condemn him and tweet at him, it really doesn't matter. He's still a Kennedy. They don't have ownership of the Kennedy name. He's still a Kennedy. He can do what he wants. And, you know, I think it's actually powerful when he's doing interviews and saying, listen, there's going to be more Democrats that are going to follow suit. In the coming days, you're going to see more Democrats coming out in support of Donald

Trump. I don't know exactly who he means by that. I don't know if he's more referring to people like Tulsi Gabbar that have already left the Democrat Party. But I think it's, it's a powerful thing that he's willing to go against his own family, and he's willing to be his own person. And he also brought up something that I thought Michelle Obama was such an advocate for, and that's making America healthy again, combating, you know, big food and big pharma. I thought Michelle Obama really wanted to champion that in a healthy lifestyle, but apparently not. Everything gets thrown away. As soon as you say you like Donald Trump, I guess you're dead to about everybody, and that just shows you who they are.

isn't it a fascinating scrambling of political lines you've got as you mentioned i don't know what the current roll call would be but it would be tulsi gabbard r fk bill acman david sacks peter teal i think peter teal has gone in on don't quote me i'm not positive on peter teal but joeogan numerous people in that world of the comedian um former probably at least center left types who are gravitating towards Donald Trump and now RFK now you could say

well we've already seen the scramble where people like Bill Crystal or S.E. Cup left Republicans and Trump and went to the left and I would say yeah but that was largely a reaction to Trump you know that's like that's about the man

in defining your politics as simply the personality what's going on with RFK and Tulsi Gabbard is about more than how you feel about an individual. It's tied to some shifts in ideology within the parties. But I just, we're at a really fascinating moment in politics where we can see in front of our eyes the scramble. Yeah, and you mentioned some of those defectors like the Adam Kinzinger's and the Liz Cheney's and others who have decided that the left is their new home. I mean, for now, I think that they're on some kind of a high because as soon as you say you don't like Donald Trump,

you are embraced by the left for at least a short time, but then I think you quickly realize that they're still the left and they will still eat you alive if you really espouse any conservative principles whatsoever. So at first they buddy up to you because you're willing to say a nasty thing about Trump, but just give it some time. They will turn on you too. I have never seen Republicans, though, turn on Democrats or independents that have come over to the Trump side or that have realized that they have some conservative values and principles. I haven't seen the right turn on those people if maybe they have a few remaining liberal policies or ideas.

I think it's just a complete opposite reaction and it just goes to show that the left really does exist in an echo chamber and if you step out of that echo chamber, you will be eaten alive by those people and I don't know if you can ever return. I want to revisit the Kennes for a moment, Tommy. I just finished reading Killing Kennedy by Bill O'Reilly. And, you know, I think that the take that I gave you, the one that I do believe and that I echoed from Tammy Bruce is your family has covered up for all manner of sin, but you won't forgive someone who not just leaves a Democratic Party, but embraces Donald Trump.

On one level is disgusting, but it shouldn't also be shocking. One of the things I came away with in killing Kennedy is just how integral the Democratic Party is. to the Kennedys like they are one and the same even though you and i can look here today and go i don't know that jfk from an ideology and policy perspective would be a modern democrat he would most likely be a republican even though that's the case the brand of kennedy is the brand of democrats and one of the things you kind of learn about the family is that is the bull's eye like if you were doing the concentric circles of integrity to their identity democrat political party Democrat is the bullseye of their family. And so on one hand, I'm shocked and disgusted, but on the other hand, it makes total sense.

Like, what RFK has done is he has betrayed the central identity of the Kennedys. Yeah, he certainly has. And, you know, I think modern day for the youngans that are growing up now, I think the Obamas are very much like the Kennedys in some ways. I mean, revered by those on the left and respected at some level by those on the right. So I think that the Obamas, and when you think about what the Kennedies have been able to do with the cover-ups and, you know, the way that they've captivated media for generations, I mean, it is very much like what the Obamas have been able to do in present day. But also, when you look at what happened to poor Joe Biden, when Democrats, regardless if they're a Kennedy or a Pelosi or an Obama, it doesn't matter. Once the Democrats decide that you're out, you are out. Look what they did to poor Joe. And now he's been on, you know, he's on another vacation, I believe.

or maybe he's back from his vacation. He went from California, right to Delaware. We don't know who's controlling anything right now. They put him on after midnight on the East Coast last week. I mean, they don't care about the man. They've just disposed of him and really his entire family. They'll throw them all under the bus now because that's what Democrats do. They are just that cutthroat.

And it works to win elections, unfortunately. Republicans are just not the same. We are not built that way. Tommy, do you think this will have an impact on the election like RFK endorsing Trump? Will that be meaningful for the election of a president? I don't know if the people that Trump needs to win over were necessarily RFK fans. So I don't know how much of a difference that it makes. But I think having somebody like RFK, if he is out in any sense on the campaign trail with Donald Trump

or he's doing media in favor of Donald Trump, I think that that's important because it just shows, to my original point, how bad the current administration is and how bad. Kamala is that you've got RFK who doesn't share all of Trump's values, maybe very few of his policy positions, is actually out there advocating for him because the alternative is so scary to him that he is willing to go against his entire family and his whole party because he doesn't want to see a Kamala as president. So to me, that makes a difference, even if it's just an media coverage. It's got some pull. All right. I want to ask Tommy this last week here on the Okay, and shall we talk to Cat Timp about the most unattractive hobbies for a man?

Tommy is very good at generating all types of outrage on the Internet. Most notably, when she said that grown men shouldn't wear jerseys with other men's name on the back. So now I'm going to give Tommy the opportunity to once again upset the Internet. Is men playing video games one of the most unattractive hobbies in your mind? I think it is the most unattractive hobby. I have never seen a woman say, yeah, you know, my boyfriend, my fiancé, my husband is playing video games. That's just so sexy. I've just never heard anyone say it in liberal women, conservative women.

There is no woman. The only time that a man playing video games is sexy is if you want your alone time and you want him to be doing something else, enraptured in something else. That's why I don't mind college football because when my husband comes home from the baseball season, And if something on Saturday keeps him busy and I can do my own thing, then I'm a fan of college football. But I feel like video games are much the same thing. I just, I don't know anybody that's thought, wow, like the way that he has the controller or the mouse and the little headset living in an alternate reality. I just, I find it to be embarrassing. But, you know, to each their own.

Using the word sexy tends to make it the nail in the coffin. like attractive um i think someone could get into some type of semantic debate about but when you start talking about you know when you when you use rightfully the word sexy i think every dude can get it even my 25 year old producers back in new york who play college football 25 like do you think she's turned on you're playing and you're playing with florida state right now and you're explaining the incritracies of the cover two defense is she turned on i think you know the answer to whether or not this is sexy. See, and I think it just goes back

to the whole thing of, and I understand it. I can understand it by just by proxy, that men who are not currently playing sports, they still want to play sports. So if they can play a video game and feel like they're in the military, or they feel like they can be playing a sport, or they can put another man's name on their back

and feel like they're involved, I guess that does something. for the male psyche. I don't get it personally. But maybe it's like when I watch the Kardashians or when I watch the Housewives, I'm living through them in some way. So maybe that's what it is. But I just, I still don't understand the fascination of watching other men do things and be that concerned or involved with it is interesting to me. But I guess that's kind of the whole, the whole reason we have sports. So I guess I'm alone in that. Well, as a, this is where now I'll plant my flag in defense of men who watch sports.

You expanded it beyond playing video games and wearing jerseys into watching sports passionately. And what I'll tell you is, I don't care if you find it sexy. This isn't for you. This is for me. I'm doing this for me and the boys. You can go have your time. I don't care right now. Your thoughts on me watching the Longhorns.

So now there's a difference between watching and watching passionately. I totally understand. Obviously, I'm not a football fan. I'm a baseball fan. I watch baseball. I like baseball. Obviously, my family is involved in baseball. I love baseball.

To me, the way that it can ruin somebody's day when somebody's doing something that's not going to really impact their life at all, and the way that it could have such an impact on somebody's mental state, like a lasting impact on somebody's mental state because of what a team does, I don't fully understand it.

A real, okay, I think a lot of men, and I would hope to be in this category, go through life with a certain, level of stoicism, Tommy. We keep our emotions in check on very serious issues because when you're confronted with the serious issue, you don't need to feel your way through it. You need to think your way through it. We don't need emotions. We need action. So we strive to be that way in our life. If something tragic happens in my life, I don't, I try not to react emotionally. Therefore, on these meaningless things like the outcome of a Dallas Cowboys game, I get to cathartically exercise

my emotional response. And I think it's actually not just fun, but healthy. So I sign up i get on the roller coaster i go on the ups and the downs on this dumb sports and i'm fully aware that this is not attractive that my my emotional reaction usually on the downside women don't ever care they don't hold exuberance against you they hold depression they don't care about strength they punish you for weakness so when i feel down because of the results of a game i get that you're not attracted to that feeling so question for you i was eating out a couple weeks ago and I observed a family, the entire family was there. It was a mom, dad, a couple of kids, young kids,

and it was a grandma and a grandpa, and they were all eating out together. And the husband had his phone, and he was watching some sporting event on his phone while the rest of his family was eating dinner, and his wife's got two young kids that she's something that, you know, she's dealing with the two kids, they're screaming, they're throwing things, disrupting everybody in the restaurant, and he is glued to his little phone on the table watching a game.

And I thought she must be a saint because that phone would be in a million pieces if I wore that woman. But I understand being passionate. Take your time, wear the jersey, like fully invest in it. But like at some point, it gets to a point where I think the obsession might be like a little bit beyond. And that might be an instance of that. Would you agree? See, no, see, I look at that story. I hear that story and I think that man must be a total saint.

what type of game was he so invested in that he was willing to go out to dinner with the family and say, I'll deal with it. I'll just watch it on my phone. I'm going to assume this was a very important game to this man, not some casual game, not the 10th game of the weekend. This was the big one for him, and every one of us have been there. So that man, he's the saint. Wow. I can't wait to you put this on Instagram because I want to see the reaction. So obviously I'm going to get a lot of hate on a lot of things. That's fine. But this one might be evenly divided. We need to put this out there and ask and we need to do a poll if a man at dinner with his family watching sports on his phone makes him a saint or makes his wife a saint for not

absolutely eviscerating him. I think we need to put the poll out there and let the internet decide. There you go. Comments here. All right, I want to ask you this, Tommy, our mutual friend Clay Travis, he put this out on his Twitter. They've told me to be careful about what I show in my studio, but I don't care. This is Clay tweeted this. and it's a poll from a newspaper, okay? And Clay has famously said, and I do, I did more in the past. He reads the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal every day. I'm guessing, I think I'm good at this.

I'm guessing from the font this is the, oh, I got it wrong. It says New York Times. I was going to say journal. So here's a poll in the New York Times. It says the Gen Z gender gap. It's fascinating. So women, 18 to 29, Tommy, are plus, almost plus 40. for Kamala, men in the same age group, 18 to 29, are plus 10 Trump. It's the biggest gap, right?

Not 30 to 34, not 45 to 64, not 65 plus. That young Gen Z gap, young women and young men, totally different sides of the political spectrum. What do you take from that? Well, I think abortion is a big part of that. And I think if you removed the abortion question, I think that the numbers would look a lot different on that. But I think that because that issue has been so big for the last couple of years especially, I think that that's a lot of the reason why you're seeing the big divide there. But I think also just the connotation of what it means to be masculine or feminine is really related to these candidates right now. Because if you're a young man and you want to be masculine, you are a Trump supporter because the other side is offering you absolutely nothing in terms of masculinity.

I don't care if they think that Doug M. Hoff is a sex symbol. or Tim Walls with his rocket kicks or somehow some kind of masculine symbol, no young man is buying that. Like no young man looks at those two and goes, yeah, that's masculine. But on the other side, there's a lot of young women who look at Donald Trump and because they've heard things about Donald Trump or they see some of the things that he says, they go, oh, you know, he doesn't stand for women or, you know, it's not feminine to be a Trump supporter. And I think that the Trump campaign can fix that because I think there are a lot of women

who are attracted to the notion of masculinity because we are losing it in men today. But I think that's the biggest problem, abortion and then just what it means to be masculine and feminine has been warped probably by the issue of abortion. I actually think the second part is what's carrying most of it. More so than even abortion, because I'm not even sure how young men feel about abortion. I'd love to see that, these jinzy men, how they feel about abortion. Not young men, young women, though. Oh, I don't think that matters at all.

I think it's just young women. I think if you took abortion out of it, young women, the difference would be probably pretty significant. I see. Well, I just think this masculinity thing, I think you're right. I think there's a lot to do with this and why this generation is so divided. But there's one more thing I want to show you on this that I found fascinating. And that is, so it's unsurprising that women get more conservative as they age, right? So that's what this poll reflects.

So 18 to 29 women plus 40 commas. 30 to 44 women, it's plus 20 Kamala. So it's been halved at this point, right? 45 to 64 women, now it's only like plus seven Kamala. So they're getting more conservative. They're getting closer to men. Now, this is what I would take that as, Tommy, we've known this for a while. Marriage and children make you more conservative.

Okay, so that is a, those are generally life events that push people down this path. But then I found this fascinating, Tommy. I don't know if you can see a return, but I'll just describe it to you. 65 plus women go back the other way again. They go back to liberal plus 21. So from 45 to 64, they're their most conservative. They're only plus seven Kamala. Then they go 65 and they swing back.

And I find that fascinating. And I don't know the answer as to why, but in my mind and anecdotally, I kind of don't find that surprising. It's something about it intuitively makes sense to me, but I'm not sure what it is. I think it's the generation as well. you're talking about people over 65, maybe they were kind of more in that era of being hippies. And so they're still hippies and they still gravitate towards the more liberal policies.

And maybe they're affected by those things and those talking points that might have something to do with it. But I'll tell you, I come from a family of conservatives. I can't really name one liberal or Democrat in my immediate family. But I will tell you this, like my grandma, who's in her mid-80s, she will vote for Donald Trump, but she doesn't like Donald Trump. I think it's also just something about the way Donald Trump speaks that an older generation, much older generation, they just find that to be so unprecedented, kind of going back to the Kennedys and the legacy families, that it's off putting to them. And that might also have

something to do with it. Yeah, I think I think you're right. All right. Last question here with Tommy Lairn. RFK versus J.D. Vance. Now, I started out this interview. I thought I was going to get to this earlier with you that I respect and I've increasingly appreciated what I've learned about. you and that's some real just some unpredictable independence and um there are those already saying RFK is kind of becoming it's only been a couple of days but sort of becoming Trump's running mate over JD Vance now here's what people I don't know if people know this but it's true JD Vance's favorabilities are not good like I think it's a negative 13 in a recent poll that I saw like the public is not happy with J.D. Vance for whatever reason

Okay? And then there's this debate. Well, is RFK going to be on the campaign trail with Trump more? And does he almost take on that number one surrogate position from J.D. Vance? So you and I kind of talked about this last week about J.D. What do you think? RFK versus J.D. Vance? I think RFK would be an excellent advocate for Donald Trump. I also, as much as I really, really hate to say it, I think Nikki Haley would be a good advocate for Donald Trump. Tulsi Gabbard, a good advocate for Donald Trump. We've heard that, Maybe she's helping him prepare for the debate against Kamala. That's an excellent choice. But here's the thing about J.D. Vance. I'll be honest. When he first kind of came out, I wasn't a big fan of his because of the childless cat ladies' comment. I just knew that was going to be incredibly damning. But since then, when I've watched him, especially on the Sunday shows, I do think that he's done a good job.

I think he did a good job yesterday. I think that he's controlled. I think that he comes across likable. But people just do not forget their first impression. and for a lot of people, their first impression of J.D. Vance was the childless cat ladies and that people without kids should have maybe a lesser stake in the country. And some of it was taken out of context. Some of it was maybe a joke, but it does not matter. That is going to stick with him, and it is going to be a problem for him throughout this campaign and throughout

the rest of his career, honestly. I think J.D. Vance, I think that this is something that that I find is a challenge in modern politics and certainly in political commentary is explaining to people the difference between analysis and advocacy. So in other words, if I give you my opinion on the way something is, it doesn't mean it's the way I want it to be. But I have to be able to separate what I want from what is. I like J.D. Vance. I think he's incredibly smart. I think he is an intellectual advocate for MAGA, but there's something about J.D. Vance, reflected both anecdotally and in the polls that does not seem to be connecting with people. And it's worthy of analysis, I think, on an, I think it's worthy of analysis beyond Donald Trump.

Like, what does that tell us? I said the same thing about Ron DeSantis, and DeSantis fans couldn't stand what I had to say because they thought I was advocating against DeSantis. I think DeSantis is an incredible governor, but that doesn't separate me from analyzing what is and he did not connect with people on a way that could get you elected to the presidency. And I think there's a similar conversation that's going to happen around J.D. Vance. Disagree with that a little bit because I think Ron DeSantis, if Ron DeSantis had not gone against Donald Trump, I don't think people would have felt that way about Ron DeSantis. And quite honestly, since he's dropped out of the presidential race long, long ago, I think Ron DeSantis has returned to form.

And when I've seen him speak to the media or I've seen him on television, I do believe he comes off incredibly likable. I think he is the future of our party. I think if he's not running against Donald Trump, I think his shine will completely come back, and I think he's the future. With J.D. Vance, I think what it is is that he has an incredible ability to connect with people because of his life story. I mean, they made a movie that's obviously a popular movie with very famous actors and actresses in it. So he should have the ability to connect to people on that level. But I think those early podcasts that he did before he was obviously a running mate for Donald Trump, I think they're just going to sink him because once you take a jab at,

somebody's personal life choices, especially revolving around being a parent or being a woman who wants to be or doesn't want to be a parent, I think you've now offended people like at the core of where they are in life, and that is very hard to come back from with women. Love the conversation, and you can continue it because right after the Will Cain show, starting at One Eastern over at Outkick.com, check out Tommy Laren is fearless. I always love talking with Tommy Lairn. Thank you so much, Tommy, for being on the Will Cain Show. Thanks, Will. I appreciate it. Talk to you soon.

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the woman who allows her husband to watch a football game on his phone during family dinner, or the man who is multitasking and willing to indulge in family dinner while there's a very important game that he will now watch on his phone. Robin Workman on YouTube says as a woman and a huge Georgia Bulldog fan and have watched a game on my phone

while having dinner with my husband. That's a vote for Will over Tommy. Victor Juarez says total lack of respect and the man's priorities are wrong to place his selfishness before the family. That's a vote for Tommy from Victor. J.J. says,

A woman that doesn't want his man to have time for himself is not worth the man's time. Oh, vote for will. And then Malazza con Sabar, says the man is paying for the dinner and the whole ordeal, let him watch his game in peace. Another vote for Will. That's three to one so far on the hypothetical presented by Tommy Lerrin. So Nicole Shanahan was RFK's running mate. She was his vice presidential candidate as he was running for president.

RFK is now dropped out of the race and endorsed Donald Trump. Nicole Shanahan is a lifelong Democrat. She's a donor. She's like a Silicon Valley, San Francisco area tech industry person. And she's donated, for example, to the special elections in Georgia that elected John Ossoff and Raphael Warnock to the Senate. But now she, along with RFK, is endorsing Donald Trump. It's fascinating to hear why.

We talk a lot about the policy overlaps between RFK and Trump. But listen to Nicole Shanhannon explaining to Adam Carolla why they're going with Donald Trump. I think Kamala Harris is dangerous to me because she is the ultimate puppet for an organization that has, I believe, since President Obama, not actually run real people. They have selected amongst. a very small group of individuals that they can control and dictate policy over. She uses messaging in a way to get populations of young, unknowing, innocent people to join her on these false virtue signal ambitions and actually take on policies. that will eventually really hurt them in the future.

All right, so what's fascinating? The second part is fascinating, talking about sort of leading young people by the nose into these policies that ultimately end up hurting them, but the anti-democratic nature of, in her estimation, how the Democratic Party has been picking candidates since Barack Obama. Now, look, Shanahan is saying something that anybody that has run for office as a Democrat,

at least from an outside perspective has said, look, we're not talking about one or two. Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters talked about this when it came to his race against Hillary Clinton. Jill Stein has talked about the efforts to go after her by the Democratic Party to keep her off the ballot. Nicole Shanahan and RFK have experienced this now of the anti-democratic nature of attempting to run for office

as a Democrat. what will happen to you with the party. Now, I asked, this weekend on Fox and Friends, I had Robert Wolf. He's a Democratic strategist, has been involved in several campaigns about this idea. And I was a little bit, I mean, I thought his answer was revealing.

Listen to Wolf on Fox and Friends. They're saying your party has closed down its process to the voters and any competition. And for the last 12 years, this is according to Shanhan, has selected their candidates from a pool, selected by elites and by donors. And they're not in on this.

They want to actually participate in democracy. And their answer to that is Donald Trump. Yeah. I don't know who Shanahan is. I think that if you asked 100 people, 99.9% wouldn't know who she is. So the idea that she's impacting the Democratic voter is a zero.

So I said to Wolf right then. I said the clip cuts off. You sound so dismissive. in this case you are dismissing someone who's not a look there's no so the thing about a democracy is there's no such thing as a nobody so i don't even want to say that like this is the point you're treating the voters like they're nobody's and you're boxing out the voters and you could say exactly what wolf said about everyone in the democratic party meaning the people that vote no one knows who they are and they won't impact the race in this case for what it's worth

you're dismissive of someone who's donated millions of dollars to your party and attempted to run in your party and this attitude is reflective of how dismissive the Democratic Party has gotten towards its voters now I want to say this do I think the Republican Party is way more attentive to its voters as a party I'm not sure the answer to that is yes everything about the Republican apparatus tried to box out Donald Trump from 16 onwards from 16 onwards He bent the Republican Party to his will. But they tried. They tried to make sure that it wouldn't be Donald Trump.

So I'm not telling you that there's some like holier motivation with inside the Republican Party. I actually think the difference is twofold. I think it's competency. I don't think the Republican Party is capable of doing what the Democratic Party is doing, of boxing out all competition. And secondarily, hypocrisy. The Democrats are the one running around talking about Trump being a threat to democracy, and they are the saviors of democracy while shutting down.

on the process of democracy. At some point, you choke on the hypocrisy. I've been doing this a lot, guys in New York. I mean, I've been at, I'm gonna, I want it. Anybody that listens to Will Ken Show knows it. I want to talk and interact with people of different points of view. So I've had Wolf, I had a Kevin Lannning,

Richard Fowler, this is all in the past week on Democrats. And last, was it last week? I hosted Jesse Waters Primetime and I had Nemecki Konstom? Right. So I'm wanting more of this, and I get something out of it, not just a simple spar, although I think that's healthy in and of itself. But not, as we've talked about, not everybody likes it.

And I wanted to share this with you guys. I sent this to you guys. I got a voicemail, okay? I want to share with you how some conservative Fox viewers feel about me having on people like Robert Wolf or Nemecki const. Enjoy. Yes, I don't know. Who the woman you had on TV tonight was, it's Tuesday.

But she took control of your program, and you let her just filibuster instead of cutting her off when she needed to be cut off. You need to maintain better control. Sorry to pass out the information. I'm a little bit unhappy with the way, you know, Republicans are not taking control of things. But, yeah, having women on like that who are obviously liberals, it serves no purpose. Just don't even give them a platform. Or if you do, make sure you're ready to respond.

Thank you. Make sure you're ready. Okay, it's great on so many ways. First of all, I don't know who this person is. They did not give me their name. And I don't know how they got my number to leave me a voicemail. there's that then i also like how what she considers her role to be sorry to be the one passing along the information that was the best part she's not sharing with me she's not sharing with

me her opinion she's not giving me feedback she has been elected by the body audience to pass along the information to be like the spokesperson for the audience just called you yeah got your We all spoke, and they have nominated me to pass on the information to you. God, that was so good. I got a good laugh out of that. And I sent that to you guys over the weekend. And then on a serious note, like, this is what we talk about, Democrats, don't give people a platform. Like, it's not cancel culture, but like this whole idea about giving people a platform,

oh, also, I need to be prepared. That was the most hurtful part that I was not prepared. which I would like to think I battled Nemecki pretty hard Richard pretty hard Robert Wolf pretty hard but there's always people like unless I do anything

but be an absolute and utter a hole I have to cut them off not let them say a word and shout them down with personal insults if I don't do that

then I let them take control of the program and I'm not prepared not do I have a substantive rebuttal did we have a back and forth what's up tinfoil well we will have Richard back on the show later this week

people want to see that and we have another guest people don't want to see what are you talking about people want to see that what are you talking about don't don't tune in did you not just listen to Susie she clearly said

that people don't want to hear that it's not what the people want Pat it's not what the people want all right well back back to the substantive point about democracy, listen, you can listen to me and you can hear me debate, you know, Robert Wolfe or whoever on this. And you can even say, well, Will has a bias and Will's not being fair about it. But what would you say to an admission by Gavin Newsom?

The governor of California, I want you to listen to him on the Pod Save America, the Pod Bros podcast. How are you feeling about the switch? I mean, the switch. Now we went through a very open process It was bottom up. I don't know if you know that. Yes, that's what I've been told to say. Yes, it was a blitz primary, I believe. That's what they called it. It's a very, very fast blitz. It was a blitz primary. So we saw that. Oh, a 30-minute convention. Yeah, you know, between tweet and another tweet. All right. That is stunning. How are you feeling about the switch?

That is amazing. He says in that that that's what I've been told to say. He's laughing at the that it's an open process. He's mocking that it was bottom up. And by the way, those are all Obama bros, the Pod Save America. That's all Obama bros. They're laughing at their rejection of democracy, Gavin Newsom and the Obama bros. The party that promises to save democracy laughs at democracy. The third anniversary of the disaster with withdrawal from Afghanistan and where we sit today with the terror warning system smoking. That's coming up with Ryan Zinke

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All right, joining me now is the former Interior Secretary under Donald Trump. He's a congressman from Montana. He's a former Navy SEAL commander. It's Ryan Zinky on the Will Kane Show. Congressman, great to have you. Hey, great to be with you, Will. Hey, you know, as I've gotten to know a lot of guys, fortunately privileged to know a lot of guys like you,

you know, not just elite warriors, but vets in general. There's nobody that is more upset by the way it went down in Afghanistan than guys who served in Afghanistan. I experienced that, Congressman, over and over and over. everyone recognizes i don't know where that war was headed and i don't know how we were going to say that whatever quote unquote save afghanistan but the way we withdrew really seemed to betray our vets well it did and it's had far-reaching consequences you know the way we withdrew afghanistan and look we lost 13 it could have been easily thousands i mean when we pulled out of kibul

you know my my opinion is that the department of defense capitulated because they knew they should never abandoned, you know, Bobram, never abandoned, you know, you look at their other bases. But to go to Kabul and make that stand, that was a, that was a recipe for disaster. They could have had, they had that power, quite frankly, to eliminate every ally, every westerner there. They certainly did. I mean, when we pulled out, they were hanging journalists out of the Blackhawks, and they were stoning to death, you know, female pilots that we were training. But that event led to, I think, Ukraine. It led to our allies not trusting us and our enemies, quite frankly, not fearing us. So I want to share with you two things that I learned

over the weekend. Former Green Beret Scott Mann, who participated in a lot of efforts to get interpreters and Americans out of Afghanistan after withdrawal, Operation Pineapple Express, was on Fox and Friends. He's a mutual friend of me and Pete Heggseth. And he said all this on air. I want to run it by you. To your point on betraying people, he said all of our connections, our assets, the people that we worked with in Afghanistan, they're talking to vets who served in Afghanistan, you know, Green Berets and Seals, meaning they're sharing intel. More so with vets like that than they are with the three-letter agencies of America because they lost so much trust in the CIA, the NSA, anyone else who was supposed to be, their conduit of information before. They don't trust because of the way it went down. So one of our best sources of intel now is actually vets who have relationships over there.

Well, you know, what message is it sent, right? It sends that, you know, America's not going to be there, especially for those that we serve side by side with. In Afghanistan, you know, there were warriors that served side by side that risked at all. And in many cases lost their entire families to step up and fight with us for democracy. And we left them. Matter of fact, we didn't leave them. We went out of our way to leave them. The State Department, in many cases, was the biggest stonewall to get our people and those that served with us out. So you look at that. That's why our enemies no longer fear us and our allies, quite frankly, don't trust us. But, well, it's bigger than that. Right. I go on the campaign trail when I ask this question, what department division or, you know, agency of the United States government, do you have full faith and trust in?

It's crickets will, because we don't trust our government. And right now, they're not worthy of our trust. And it's a lot about gaining accountability back. No one was held accountable for the decision to leave Kandahar, lead Bogram, and consolidate in Kabul, which led to a disaster. It could have led again to 10,000 deaths. Yeah, the only person fired is Stu Schiller, right? Like literally nobody fired about what happened in Afghanistan, except for the guy that spoke out about what happened in Afghanistan.

Absolutely. And look, you know, we the people, right? We the people need to get a hold of our government again. And this is why this election, quite frankly, is the most important in my lifetime. You know, I've said that over and over again, which quite frankly ironic. But we have reached, this is the most important election of our lifetime. and we all have to do our duty. Can I ask you, I'm going to, I think I've talked about this. So a couple of weeks ago now, maybe just two weeks ago, I did the New York City Navy SEAL swim,

which has been an event that I've done for a couple years now. We'd love, you should come out. We'd love to have you. You know what? I actually heard that you did really well, too, by the way. Did it what? I did well or not well? I actually heard you did really well.

I do all right. I do all right. but I get to hang out with the guys and I've got to stay well I got to hang out with the guys and I've gotten to establish some relationships so I asked and I'll leave it off the record on who I was talking to but it was at the bar afterward I said hey I'm just curious what percentage of the team members would you say are pro Trump versus pro Biden or Republican Democrat and the guy I was talking to I think it's worth saying who was an NCO I'll just say that okay said 99% Trump

99% Trump. And then he goes, wait, wait, wait, I'm going to adjust that because some of the officer class in pursuit of careerism might start adopting and even believing politics that are inherent. But he only adjusted it at that point down to 98% because of that officer adjustment, which by the way, you were, you climbed the officer rank. So you saw, you would have seen this from all angles. What do you think about that? Is that accurate? Well, I give, I give this example. are five seals in the U.S. House of Representatives. I was the first one in the House. We will get six. We're going to win in Montana with Tim Sheehe being, we'll have six in the House, one in the Senate. Our special forces, brother, we have two. We think we could advance to five. And when you

add Marines, combat, veterans, combat arms, those guys that have served and fought, we're a Squadron Plus, and all of them are behind Trump. That should give you an idea. You know, look, there are a few, like anyone else that, you know, Seals is not monolithic, we have a variety of thought. You know, some of our senior leadership over time has been very critical of Trump. But I can tell you, I would say it's closer to 99% are right behind strong military, strong U.S., do what we say we're going to do, and accountability.

and that's that's donald j trump i do think it says something i mean 99 percent we're not talking about a 60 we're not talking about a 54 46 margin here we're talking about now i don't say a little a different interesting factoid on statistics so washington dc 94 percent of washington dc voted for president by and i'm convinced the other six percent don't work in government so you know it's like As a former secretary, going to the D.C., it's like if you're a conservative, it's like parachuted behind enemy lines and landing at these departments because all of them, all of them have voted for Biden. And look, you know, as a military guy, I never asked anyone who was a Republican or Democrat.

I really don't care. I do care whether you love the country, though, that I care about. But when you go down into a monolithic, you know, deep state where 30% are on the resistance, movement we got a problem and i and i think that's what this movement is about is like about accountability and look if if we don't trust her government i don't think an ally would why if we don't trust her government why would why would united kingdom and quite frankly after afghanistan united kingdom censored us first time in like the war of 1812 right now so let's go back to that um by that that analogy is very very evocative like parachuting behind enemy

into that monolithic state that runs the United States government. You brought up special forces. I mentioned Scott Mann. Scott, there was the second thing that Scott said. He said, what's going on in Afghanistan nobody's paying attention to? Today, meaning we have reverted back. Of course, there's the social stuff about what they're doing to women and the way they've reverted back to 1999 in terms of Sharia and that way of life.

But the terror activity that no one's talking about, that we don't, because as if what you and I described to Mendego, we don't have the relationships and the trustworthy intel anymore, but the terror activity of what's happening, the Kani network is back, Al-Qaeda's reforming, that Afghanistan, he, this was his analogy, Congressman, he said, the warning dashboard isn't just lighting up, it's smoking right now. And when you combine that with the southern border, and he said, by the way, it's not going to be 9-11. It's not like, oh, we're not on the road to 9-11 again, but we're on the road to our own October seventh like some chaotic terror situation that is now cropped up again because of our what we've

allowed to happen in places like Afghanistan yeah I think that's a fair assessment you know you look at the Harris you know borders are role and you look at the what's happened under the Biden Harris administration we have no border and there are no doubt thousands of terrorists and look you're not going to negotiate with these people you're not going to change their value system they hate America and their mission is to destroy America. And we have terrorists cross on our border. They're here. And look, you know, I spend most of my adult life, you know, quite frankly, hunting down,

fining, and killing terrorists to include Hamas and related groups. I've never thought that I would see Hamas in our capital. And that's exactly what I saw when Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke, is that Hamas was in our capital, tearing down the U.S. flags and burning them. So Hamas is here. That's a threat, you know, obviously. And I tell you what our other threat is, our Constitution. Those are the two threats I see, threats from terrorists.

We don't have a border, and there's people that hate us and are coming here to do us harm. And then our Constitution is at risk, you know, censorship. It's this nonsense that's going on. on about, you know, pressing and pressing and pressing our rights. All of them are under under duress. So I'm an optimist, though. You know, I always say everyone's got to do their part, Will. And, you know, my part is they sit in, you know, Congress. I'm on appropriations. I'm chairman of a seal pack. And that's my job. Your job is to get the word out and make sure everyone cares. And you're doing a great job. Well, thank you. As are you. We love having

And this may be your first time. I'd love to have you back on the wheelcanship. Bobby, where are you from in Montana? What's home in Montana? You know, whitefish. So whitefish, a little corner, right by Glacier Park. Come on out. You know, you'll like the remote broadcast from here.

You know, I live there for a while. I lived in Montana for a while. Because, you know, a lot of people view Montana through Yellowstone, right? Which is magnificently active in Kevin Costor. But it's a drama set. Montana like star wars is a drama set in space you know don't don't get you know settings are beautiful etc etc but the way of life here is uh you know it was a little different than the movies well it wasn't yellowstone that drew me to my drew me a tex into montana it was lonesome dove

and i lived in clinton which is just uh east of mazula by about 20 miles on rock creek and i worked at the l diamond d ranch and it was some of the best uh time of my life living up there Limeland, packing in hunters. Oh, you know, it's funny as my Texas friends, I say, no, Lones and Dove, if you live in Texas, Lones and Dove is like a chapter in the Bible, right? I said, well, where were they go? Yes.

They were all going to Montana. So when you look at that Lone Star flag, you think of that star being Montana because that's where everyone wanted to go. Well, okay, I got to let you go because you had to out. I'll tell you the two things that drew me to Montana. Honestly, it's what you just described. And second, I read Trembudsman. travels with Charlie by John Steinbeck.

And it turns out that Steinbeck made up a lot of this. He didn't actually travel the country with his dog, Charlie. But he gets to Montana, and he says, if you asked, say, an 11-year-old boy from Washington, D.C., who'd never been to Texas, to describe Texas, what he would in reality describe would be Montana. So I was like, well, if Montana's what Texas is supposed to be, hell, I got to go to Montana.

So that's why I moved up there for a while. Well, I look forward to being a show again, and I look forward to come out of Montana, I'll show you in person. But thanks for what you do. All right, thank you so much, Congressman. We'll see you next time. There's Congressman Ryan Zinky. By the way, look, just look at his Wikipedia bio.

Seal Team 1, Seal Team 6, Commander, what is this? 30 years? Is that 30? 22 years. Yeah, I can do math. 22 years. United States Navy SEAL Team. Now, Congressman from Montana.

by the way just a few more comments here you guys jumped in on a lot of this debate we had today john phillips junior says rfk's an environmentalist and is fighting for healthy eating so he wins in my book hey go to my instagram right now if you want um it's it's c the letter c will cane the reason why is there's a link in my stories to rachel camp post duffy my fox and friends weekend coes did a i think it's roughly a six to eight minute interview with rfk junior it maybe more like 10. All they talked about is food. Additives, preservatives, pesticides. It's fascinating and it is a rarity for this type of conversation to happen for a whole host of reasons. But you'll hear about what RFK has the fight that he's in on when it comes to our food

supply. Don Rosencrant says, Vance is his running mate, but Kennedy is in a class of his own. Trump and Kennedy, what a powerhouse team. Manager Matt says, endorsements mean nothing. Have you ever voted for someone because they said they support another. person i think that's fair manager matt i don't think vps matter that much but i think when you have endorsements from surprising corners like a republican gets an endorsement from a republican okay you know um christopher hitchins once said um if an atheist wakes up every day and says i don't believe in god it's not newsworthy but if the pope wakes up one day and says i'm not sure about this god thing all of a sudden it's screaming headlines if somebody like rfk or tulsie

gabbard starts endorsing trump that's different than tom cotton endorsing donald trump a little bit of everything says on youtube kennedy will be put in a cabinet position possibly but trump would hurt his campaign if he swaps vance for kennedy i don't think there'll be any formal swap uh susan m says kennedy doesn't add much to the ticket he is a mess possibly ashley fountain says why is trump afraid of debating comla ashley where you get in your news that's just not not happening. Right now, apparently they're debating, they're negotiating whether or not they're going have mics open or mics closed, muted between during the first debate. Kamala wants them open so you can interrupt, probably so she can chastise him for interrupting. But Trump's ready and willing to have

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