Will Cain Country - Why Are We So Obsessed By The Nancy Guthrie Mystery?

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

In another Friday edition of ‘Will Cain Country,’ Will and The Crew dive deep into the latest developments in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie while trying (and failing) to resist being pulled into the orbit of America’s largest conspiracy magnet, Jeffrey Epstein.Plus, in another segment of ‘Will Call,’ Will and The Crew take a look at the day-to-day troubles of you, ‘The Willitia,’ sharing their advice on everything from how to reconcile with your favorite podcast host being a Dallas Cowboys fan to how to begin a career in politics.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stream of consciousness, sloppy thoughts with tinfoil patent to a day's dance on Wilcane Country. It is Wilcane Country streaming live Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time at Wilkaint Country YouTube and on Facebook. You can follow us, though, on Spotify or an Apple. Oh yeah, that did it. That fixed it. Yep. Do that one more time. One more sweep of the... Yeah. I like I was just hanging over the sides like just a little bit.

It's all fucked up. Looks like he's getting ready to coach. offensive line for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Sign them up. Somebody's got to do it. Back in the day when I was on ESPN, Riscilla used to have an awesome bit. Coordinator face.

You ever thought about coordinator face? Yeah. What is it? Some coaches just do not look like head coaches. They have coordinator face. Like your physical appearance looks like your career caps out at offensive coordinator.

God. true. Like no one will ever hire you as the head coach. It's 100% true. Although it's starting to get a little weirded out. It's getting different because like there's a lot of coordinator face at the top job in the NFL, I would say. If you think about it. And head coach face isn't like handsome. You know, it's just like there's just something about it. Right. It's not like, I mean, it's not really capable. It's not capable of being defined. You'd have to go through them. Because, like, there are overweight guys that you attempt to go, sure.

Oh, he's got, like, a fat face. So he's a defensive coordinator. But, you know, some of them pull off that look with authority and gravitas of a head coach. You know what I mean? Well, like, Joe. You think Redif Ryan has head coach face? No, he's like coordinator face, but somehow had the confidence enough to make it to head coach. No, no, no.

Rex Ryan is a head coach face. That's what he's saying. It's like you can't really define it. It just is. I guess. So, like, Joe Judge. No. It just is.

Right. Exactly. Like, honestly, Mike McDaniels, Mike McDaniels, Mike McDaniels did not have head coach face. He didn't even have offensive coordinator face. Maybe he capped out offensive coordinator. But he really had, like, receivers coach face.

Equipment coordinator face. Yeah. Analytics guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's in the office. Whereas, Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson. He had head coach face.

He looked like a head coach. Yeah. I'm not sure Brian Schottenheimer does. Sean McVehmer looks like a little coordinator face. That's true. Sean McVeigh. Vrable? That's tough.

Head coach. Yeah. Head coach or linebackers coach. One of the other. No in between. At any level. Same as Dan Campbell. Like high school.

There was no in between for Dan Campbell. Yeah. It was like tight-ins coach or head coach. One or the other. That's so true. All right. I don't know if any of that's material. I assume you're rolling for this Friday wheels-off edition of Will Kane Country.

Yeah, including your hair and your face. A tennis coach's face. Let's talk. Let's talk about Nancy Guthrie. You haven't talked about it enough? I mean, I haven't heard about it. I don't think you're supposed to laugh. Here's the thing.

Let's talk about this. Yeah, we shouldn't laugh. I'm not supposed to laugh? Why? Because I'm supposed to pretend like I don't have self-awareness? Yes. You know, there's a lot of comments, and we have some comments to go through here

as we introduce the Willis' end of the conversation when it comes to Nancy Guthrie. But I believe the comments that you guys have cultivated for us to respond to here today are really substantive on the case of Nancy Guthrie, but I'm still compelled to address a ton of comments about why. Why are you talking so much about Nancy Guthrie? And Patrick, would you say that's the bulk of the feedback? Certainly if I open my social media, X, whatever it may be, that is what I get a lot. Is that as well what you're getting in the email inbox? I'd say it's at least a third, maybe just under half of the comments for a while there,

was like, please stop talking about this. Why are you talking about this? There's other news stories. But I've mostly, I mean, a lot of it has been people just interested in the true crime aspect of it. You know, what about the glove? What about dogs? What about this and that? So it's been surprising.

Well, I've even noticed, and it's not coming directly to me, but I've seen it in my ex-al algorithm, the suggestion that this is all part of a larger conspiracy, a distraction or a cover-up for honestly what I don't know. I've seen people say, of course you're going to get, for Epstein, of always, always Epstein. I'm starting to, my theories on Epstein are starting to go into some wild directions now, like counterintuitive direction. just for the record. Like, I'm starting to, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough and I need to do more research. But I'm starting to wonder if, you know, I don't know, I'm starting to wonder how much there, there is there. How about that? For the first time, I've always been a guy. Opposite. Because you're a lefty. No, it's not. Because you've invested in this and you're doing it through your political prism. Yes, I knew you're going to say that. I knew you're going to say that. I knew it is. No, it's not. But, dude, four years ago, this was a. nothing burger to you. You didn't know the name Jeffrey Epstein. All it took

was for Joe Biden to stop being president for you to think it's the biggest story in the world. You are so, we're all, dude, let me explain you something. When you have a kid, you're going to think you're going to name your kid some very unique name, but the truth of the matter is, you're going to be surfing

along with the trends of the time, and everybody realizes this after the fact. What do you name your son? Stone? So unique. And then he's going to show up to preschool and there's going to be six stone. out there. I promise you, you don't even realize how much you are a product of your environment. Oh, tattoos, super trendy, because you're so unique, right, because all of a sudden, you're the rebel out in the world. Ever gone to a Starbucks?

Ever gone to a Starbucks? You, you know, you're a dime a dozen now with the tats. I mean, you're not. You are part of larger trends. And I have, let me tell you something else, I think. If you want to know where trends are going, look at your, Instagram algorithm and see what it says. Yeah, it's about you, but it's also pushing you towards things that other people are headed towards. Always. It is. It is. You are not a special unique snowflake. You are not special. You are part of a way. I don't care who's in that list. You are flots them. Take them down. You are flotsome. If it's Barack Obama, I don't care. It doesn't matter. I don't care who's. If they're in the list, take them down.

You think you're a sailboat in the ocean with a rudder and a sail. My mom says I'm special. You're a leaf floating down a river. That's all that matters. And I mean, you know, even me, sometimes intellectually, I'm the goth kid in high school. It's like everybody's into this thing. I'm going the other way. Well, all I am is a reaction to the river.

I'm just a reaction to the river. You're one of those people that hates things. that are popular. I do think there's value. I've always thought this, that if you're sitting in a room and 90% of the room believes a certain thing and is certain of a certain thing, that I am, the guy goes, huh, odds are, 90% of people aren't right on something. Odds are, that's just not, you're not playing the odds.

And so there is somebody worthwhile to go, hold on. So here's what I'm saying, Dan. First of all, you're a fraud. You didn't care about Epstein four years ago. now it's like the biggest deal. Because we know the information now. Because we have the information. Because it's out. Because we can read it.

What do we know? What do we know? Millions of pages of things. Yeah, I know. And I agree with you. I need to read it. And I've been looking for the perfect synthesis of it because it's millions of pages. I've been deep diving. It's crazy. But have you... Can I just ask you a question? And I'm not read in enough to have an opinion on this.

Okay. I did notice that the victims of the Epstein deal, at the hearings on Capitol Hill that stood up, all of the allegations, and this isn't about whether or not the contrarian take isn't Epstein, good guy, that's not what it is. It's take the popular narrative and ask yourself if the popular narrative is actually true or not. Okay, so let's define what's the popular narrative. What is the story for everyone that knows nothing about Epstein? Sincerely, when I say nothing, in the whole grand scheme of things, most people know nothing, even if you know some, like you said, there's millions of pages of this now. So the three of us together, let's define the popular narrative.

There was a secret cabal run by Jeffrey Epstein and others that were running a pedophile sex trafficking ring and had blackmail on lots of famous people who were involved in it. And it goes to the highest levels and all over the world and throughout time, that's the narrative. And I agree with you, that's probably not true, but there is there there. I'll say quick break, but continue this wild end to the week on Wilcane Country. At the National Post, we don't just report the news. We dive into the stories that shape Canada and the world. From politics to pop culture, we question.

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Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Two days, Dan, tinfoil Pat, here with us today. Okay, but they're there. I'm not going to let you get away with there-there-being. that Jeffrey Epstein was a good dude. I'm not on the position that nothing happened.

But that's the basis. But I'm on the position that what you just said is increasingly unlikely and increasingly a tattoo. It's bipartisan, too. It's way too common. So correct me if I'm wrong. This is where my facts are going to get. And I promise you, I will do it. I'm going to spend some time.

on these new, the big dump. Did you? You know all about it? I'm going in on it. I'm just at the surface, but there's a lot. Okay. The victims that stood up at the congressional hearings other day that stood up, and they're

victims of a lot of things. Are they pedophilia victims? So, no, they're human trafficking victims. Okay, so they're not pedophilia victims? I don't know about those ones specifically. All I know is that there were human trafficking victims that came to the DOJ and didn't get a call. They were all over the age of 18 when the allegations about whatever happened to them happened, right?

I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure. And that's not to say there aren't victims, but I'm just saying wouldn't we need to hear from those? But there could be bold. To prove up the popular narrative. Just because these ones aren't, doesn't mean there isn't. I'm just saying the plausible, you know, it could. Totally.

Totally. and then, you know, look, I mean, I don't even if I want to have this conversation. We don't have to. I don't want to have this conversation. It is. I'll just say, I am growing suspicious of the popular consensus. That's what I'm telling you. I'm growing suspicious of 90% of the room saying exactly what you just said, Dan.

I'm growing suspicious of that. That is not to say there wasn't something going. on. That's not to say that I you know, if we're being honest, you guys know this, I do believe there was a blackmail operation going on. That has been my consensus that I really haven't dove into

and been able to support totally. But you know what a friend of mine said to me? He goes, okay, I'm just curious about something. A blackmail operation. That doesn't work very long, right? That actually can't work very long. That can work like a couple of times.

What do you mean? Because wouldn't guys start saying, don't go hang out with that dude? The minute you get burned, right? You get burned. Let's say you're a bad dude. And you did something, and Epstein enticed you into doing something bad. And now he's holding something over you and he's got blackmail. But you run in these circles where all these guys are around each other.

Would one not say to another, don't go to that freaking island? No, because you want other people to be like you, to be under his thumb like you. So you have something in common. Really? So you're not the only one. because if you're going down, everyone's going down. I think that would be my thought on that. That's possible, but that's possible.

You want others to be involved, so it's not just you. That's what I think. I don't know about the criminal mindset if that's totally how it feels. So Bill Gates is compromised, and he doesn't want to say something to Bill Clinton about it. He doesn't want to go, hey, man, whatever. Yeah, I wouldn't go if I were you. Why? Just trust me.

trust me, bro. You know, like, you don't think that because... Do we know they knew? Because Bill Gates is like, if I'm going down, you're going down? Do they know we knew? They knew? I don't know, man. Do we know they knew that Epstein had blackmail on them?

That's the question. Well, then if it's blackmail never cashed in on? Yeah, but they could in case they get out of line, in case they don't do something, Bill Gates doesn't do something that they want him to do, then it's like, hey, we have this on you, you know? I don't know. I'm not ready to defend my position. We're just talking here.

I am only here to tell you. I am going. How about this? You're all in. Cool. You are all in on the popular narrative, it sounds like. No, no, no, no. I'm not.

And I do believe, I do believe your position is coming from the left. Let me go to the far conspiratorial right. Patrick. And I know you think Jeffrey Epstein is alive. But besides that, are you in on the popular consensus and narrative? I am honestly, I think Like is this What's being done?

Is this where you and Dan have overlap? I don't think so. I'm right now, I'm like, I believe the zone is being completely flooded So that we're Yes. We're not sure exactly what is happening, what is going on.

Is that the end of the show? I was trying to play him out. We can't talk about this anymore. We're just going to be called. Was that the execs? Was that the top? Was that the top saying wind this up? Hey, guys, really, uh, stop.

But yeah, I definitely think it's a flood the zone campaign that's designed to make us all go crazy. So much information. Because if you look at all these files, you can't go through it all. It's impossible. So you throw so much information at it. What is true? You know, it's a great tactic. Not great, but it's a smart tactic if you want to dissuade anybody of any...

Not to mention. The emails are just emails. But like, little black books, just a little black book. But like, allegedly there are videotapes that were taken from his apartment in New York. city. There's evidence. No one's talking about that. That things have happened.

Yeah. There's physical video picture evidence, which is like, why would criminals doing criminal things video themselves doing criminal things? I don't know my position. Which I have shared with the audience on an irregular basis that I do believe that there is a lot of smoke to Jeffrey Epstein's connections to intelligence agencies around the world, including Galane Maxwell, her father, and so forth. There is a lot of smoke that leads you to.

towards very critical questions asking about what this entire thing was. What I am having trouble with is the consensus that, actually, I think the consensus is more shallow than that. The consensus is elite, wealthy people in the world enjoy having sex with underage minors, and he catered to that. And I'm having trouble adding that up. Do you understand? But that's part of it. That's just part of it. Yeah. I mean, there's...

I think it's just a piece of the puzzle. There's a piece of the puzzle. There's money. There's business deals. There's corporate takeovers. You know, it's not just that. That's a part of it. Yeah. But also, like, part of the whole thing is like, is that if you are in that vicinity, because you know Epstein, let's say you're RFK Jr., you knowingly flew on an airplane with him, you didn't go to the island. But now, because you have a connection, before they start questioning you. Epstein had legitimate places in the role. Did he not, when I said legitimate non-criminal roles in the world of high finance and politics?

That seems pretty clear as well, right? Totally. That's not to say all his relationships were like that, but he definitely had those relationships as well. Isn't that fair? Yeah. I think so. I mean, that was. Yeah, but now you're implicated if you ever had a connection with him.

Which is probably the point. I don't know. It's so confusing. And I will dive in. But this is what we got. So is Guthrie a distraction from that? I don't think so. Is Guthrie?

I saw somebody else say Guthrie was a distraction from Minnesota or something. I don't think so. Like, and when I say, I don't think so, you're like, well, wouldn't you know, Will? I mean, I guess I would know, right? Here's what I know about Guthrie. Okay? Here's what I know. Most of the time, this is going to offend Patrick, most of the time, I believe, at the

age that I am, and by the way, I probably throughout my life somehow bumbled into this position where I have relationships with people who, I mean, this is shocking for me to say, are pretty high levels of power, correct? Right? I mean, like, I would say so. I mean, one of the questions here today. We have two degrees of separation of from Ron Tamber asks me, hold on, let me, I can do this, technological. Dang it.

I got it up on the screen. This is me. This is me. Yeah. There you go. Ron Tambur asked how often do you talk to the Secretary of War. Text infrequently. Talk on the phone, not as often.

But even where I am, in terms of my relationships, I think that if you want to explain the way the world works, you will more often than not arrive at the truth. by looking at the world through the lens of incentive than the world of conspiracy. I know that offends you, Patrick, all the way down from the NFL past interference calls to the housing market. But the world works by incentive more than coordination. And the reason for that is because most people are incompetent. And their incompetence compounds when put together. So you put a group of seven, even billionaires together, I don't think they're combined intelligence compounds as much as they're combined incompetence. Okay.

So whatever your flaws are, your inability to keep a secret, your bad decision making, whatever it is, that's compounded in a group. So it's a, is it, is it Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation is usually the right explanation. That's true. Like, if you want to arrive at the truth, more often than not, that's your way to get there. Like, the biggest hole in every theory from, was the moon landing real, is you presume a great amount of competence on the conspiracy theorists and their ability to stay silent. And the truth is, that might be even more rare than competency. Like, people love to talk.

They love to tell their story. Obsessed with it. And so all of these conspiracies rely on. on the defiance of those two natural laws. Now, I know I can already see your face, Patrick. You're going to say something like... But people do talk. People can be involved...

But not the people. You know, they talk all the time, and then they just get dismissed as being like, you know, a crazy person, a whistleblower, you know, somebody at the top. Who talked about the moon landing that was involved? That said it didn't happen. They killed... Oh, they killed him. Oh, he's dead.

Here we go. He's dead. They just happened to blow. up a... This is the whole thing. This is the problem with Patrick's mindset. It's that famous joke. It's the famous joke.

Two conspiracy theorists, JFK conspiracy theorists, die and go to heaven. They're standing at the pearly gates and St. Peter says, I'm going to grant you all knowledge you want on anything you want to know. And they go,

this is it. This is our moment. And they look at each other and turn to St. Peter and go, who killed JFK? And St. Peter looks at him and goes, Lee Harvey Oswald from the school book deposit. The two

conspiracy. That's not the punchline. The two conspiracy theorists, I'm not done. That's right. I know. I know.

Dan's laughing. I'm like, it's not the punch line, man. It's funny. And then the two conspiracy theaters theorists look each other and go,

this is bigger than we thought. You know, like, like God is in on the conspiracy. I'll say, quick break, but continue this wild end to the week on Will Kane country.

Welcome back to Will Kane country. Two a day's Dan, tinfoil Pat here with us today. There's never, somebody got killed, it's bigger, there's no satisfied, you're never satisfied. My point is, we're still talking about Nancy Guthrie. We've managed to weave our way through Jeffrey Epstein, the moon landing, and JFK's killing all in the conversation about Nancy Guthrie. Hold on, I'm going somewhere. There's also the argument I thought Patrick was going to make people unknowingly participate in a conspiracy. So they can't tell the truth because they didn't even.

No. Am I one of those characters? Yeah, I know you are. You're complicit. Maybe I'm one of those characters. But here's what I know about Nancy Guthrie. Incentive. In the end, my job, my personal job with you listening is to tell the truth. That's my job.

I would like to prioritize the things that I think are the most important. And most of the time I do. But there are other factors at play. Like, this is a business like anything else is a business. and you can send me these emails, and I believe you personally, but I also see the numbers. This is the highest rated story since September. Do you know what happened in September? The assassination of Charlie Kirk.

This is the highest rated story since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, I can share a couple of other things I know about that. The truth is, and I've been told this, and I think it's true, Storytelling, and in some ways news is storytelling, is best done when it's done with incremental growth over time. If I did a huge special tomorrow one episode on Epstein, it wouldn't be as good as if I did it little bit by little bit every day. Do you understand? That's what is addictive. Yeah, that's what is addictive to people.

So this Nancy Guthrie thing is benefiting from a couple of laws of human. It's not about TV. It's not about cable TV. It's about our brains. It's about psychology. Like what we are attracted to. And we are attracted to, A, mystery, B, the soap opera of incremental growth every day, which it is naturally leading towards.

That's just the way this thing is unfolding. And when these things happen, here's what I can bring to you from my personal experience and know. They take over everything to the extent that if I asked you to right now, what was the biggest story 15 years ago, roughly? I have to do it roughly because I don't know. On CNN, what do you think it was? We're now at 2011. What was the biggest story in the news cycle in 2011? Don't look it up, Dan.

This is about what you remember. I know, but I actually want to know after. I think that was after 11. 2011? All I thought about was sports back then, so the NFL draft. I can't. Okay, but can you remember the biggest sports story in 2011? That draft class was amazing.

What draft? Blake. The point is like, okay, watch this. Cam Newton. We can't off the top of our minds remember it. Do you remember Natalie Holloway? Do you remember Lacey Peterson and Scott Peterson? You remember their names?

That's interesting. Do we know all three of those names? I do. Only because I saw the documentaries recently. And I'm like, hey, wait, I remember that story. Not me? Let me tell you something. I know nothing about those cases.

I think one of them was in the Caribbean and one was in California. I think Peterson was California and Holloway was the Caribbean. I couldn't say where in the Caribbean. And that's about the... And one of them had like a Scandinavian dude. Holloway had like a Scandinavian dude involved in it. I don't remember much more. because I don't normally invest in those stories and no,

but they did bleed through so big that I remember those names because those stories were gigantic. They were so gigantic. I was on CNN at the time that HLN, you remember HLN, Headline News Network, which is owned by CNN? Yeah. Its original format was news in like a quick wheel,

like 10, 15 minute increments. Like you could theoretically watch headline news. Remember Robin Mead, I think, was her name? in like a 10 or 15 minute wheel and get your news was the idea. But when those two cases came up and I feel like they were back to back, I don't remember the timeline, it exploded the ratings of HLN, like exploded it. So much so that HLN changed its entire format from morning to night,

true crime story pretty much on those two cases. can you hear that beeping Dan? Yeah, is that you? I was like, where's that coming from? Patrick, Patrick, I think that camera's beeping. Totally messing on my broadcast camera. Yeah. Patrick.

Did you hire another Patrick? I thought I was like, do I have a tumor? What's happening? No, yeah, there's another Patrick around here, Patrick. Sorry. What the hell, dude? I hate other Patrick. So, like, I feel like I have to fight them.

Thanks for stopping. It might be cooler than you. for stopping down for that. I was going crazy. I saw you holding your headphones up. He plays bumper pool. Yeah. Right now he's wearing boots. I've got to get Patrick back here. He's doubled my Latino quotient in the audience in the office. In fact, he's wearing cowboy boots. I've got to check out. Here he comes real quick.

Let me just see what cowboy boots he's wearing. Are you wearing the fish boots? Are you wearing snake boots? Snake, maybe. Snake? Snake. Did you get those go, I'm Latino so I can get these? We talked about this, Patrick. Nice. I told you, I told you only two dudes can wear snake skin boots, Latinos and rock band lead singers. Good thing I have a pair.

He said, I'm one of those. He's not the lead singer of White Snake. All right, so HLN redos its entire format to go in on those cases. Here's the funny thing. All right? You know what everybody said at the time? Oh, when an attractive white girl goes missing, that's when the world cares. Remember that?

You've heard that line? All the time. Okay. Here's what HLN figured out. Those things are Roman candles. Those cases that command everybody's attention, they happen. You don't know when they happen, that happen, and it's inexplicable, and then they go away. HLN couldn't find subsequent true crime cases that commanded everybody's attention.

Their ratings plummeted. It got crushed. And it's been reformatted a number of times since. Been reformatted. I don't even know what HLN does today. But that was their thing for about two or three years. We are this and we're going to crush it. And after Holloway and Peterson, they couldn't find the next one.

They tried. They tried. They tried to manufacture this or that. You never know what's... And here we got Nancy Guthrie. And it doesn't fit the formula, meaning there's no hot white girl. for that line to hold true, right? She's 80 freaking four.

And for whatever reason, the mystery, the incremental growth, yes, the connection to Savannah Guthrie as well, obviously. But this one has taken that place in American pop culture that Holloway had, that Peterson had. And it'll go away, and we'll be left with wondering why we all paid so much attention to it. But in the end, it's about human psychology and incentive. That's my firm belief about what's going on with this story. I saw a video some guy did.

He's like, day one of Nancy Guthrie of following it. Like, oh, my God, she was kidnapped. And he goes in and starts getting really, really into it. And day 12, he's like, did they find her yet? Nah, I'm not really interested anymore. You know, that kind of thing. So there's fatigue to it that does come with, I think, some of the stories for people. Plus social media.

I imagine there will be some fatigue. but it's showing legs. It's definitely showing legs. More interesting things are coming out. I think the first six or seven days, ah, damn it. Were, uh,

whenever I say six or seven, my kids were, you know. See, that was so out of my head. I didn't even know what you're talking about. I was like, why is he cussing?

Yeah. I think that, you know, the story's picked up, and there's been a lot of interesting things. especially since that video came out, where it's like, I think somebody said something about a, they found a glove and, you know, those kind of things. I think there's a lot of interesting. It's a Netflix series unfolding in real time.

Yeah, I think it's becoming more interesting. Well, on that note, some of you viewers have a lot of questions about this. My catch says they've put that tent up out front of Nancy Guthrie's door. They may be processing the door with a laser to highlight prints or fluids. I'm a retired homicide detective. The one thing about that, Mike, is the chain of... I went to law school enough. I think I'm pretty safe on this.

That entire crime scene is polluted. It's polluted, dude. The chain of custody, the preservation of the crime scene, a freaking pizza delivery man went up on the porch stoop. Media. Fox News Digital took a video walking up on the porch stute. Who knows how many officers have walked in and out of that house? like anything you get at this point

I don't know what good it is for you maybe you could maybe you could isolate and find the guy but by the way if you're that dude's criminal defense attorney yeah you know you got a I don't know how you're going to convict him um Rachel boss says you just you just find him right

you find him and then hope he has like you know more material on him yeah right What are the odds he's sitting there with Nancy Guthrie eating TV dinners for 13 days waiting for ransom to come in? Rachel Boss says, Will, no one is mentioning the guy in the cam has a damn gold tooth. Well, Rachel, that's because we don't know that. And his mouth. We don't know that.

His mouth lit up. Well, so his mouth is reflecting something. But for a mouth to reflect something, there's got to be some light. going at. And I don't think that ring camera or nest camera really has much of a light. It might. It might. But I did, for the record, Rachel, I

have asked that question. I didn't say a gold tooth. I said a grill. And maybe some people don't know what a grill is, but a grill is the thing guys put in to their mouth where they make their entire front teeth gold or silver or whatever. Well, I had a cop tell me it's a flashlight, but not the flashlight you think. And he brought this one in. I never

ended up showing it on TV. Just a little press pinlight. Like a tiny little press that you could put between your teeth and bite down on, and then it lights. And the one that the cop had was red. Like a, not a laser pointer, but just a little bulb. Like military used that. And it was red because red can't be seen as well. So these are non-Nancy Guthrie.

There's a one that's a... There we go. All right, you ready? Dory Morrow Klingin. How does a glove sit on the side of the road? for 11 days. I don't know what's up with the glove. The glove, that glove,

maybe a big nothing burger. I've asked around. It may be a big nothing burger. There's trash on the side of the road everywhere. I don't know, I don't, Dory. What's the glove? I feel like that's not. That's the more interesting glove.

Yeah. With the FBI. So they found a glove in the house. Yeah. So the Pima County Sheriff's Department didn't give it to the FBI. They sent it off to a private lab in Florida, and everybody's a little upset with the Pima County Sheriff's Department for like, why are you, they've denied that they did that?

Hmm. Linda Williams says, why aren't they using cadaver dogs to search that in that terrain? From what I've heard, they have and are using cadaver dogs. Brenda B., did they see on the ring or the nest the son-in-law car coming in and leaving? Can you see them coming home from dinner? That's a great. That question I like, Brenda, I've asked the same thing.

And, you know, we had Chief Hallstead on yesterday. I feel like some people challenged this when I talked about this on TV. He says that not every doorbell camera is connected to the cloud, that you have to opt into that and choose that. I said, well, what happens if it's not? He said, you guys remember this, it's recorded locally on that device for a very short period of time. And I was like, well, what are people using it for? if they're not connecting it to the cloud. And I guess to what?

Just live streamed to their phone? That's what they would be doing? So if you want to know who's at the door, and you just look at your phone in real time. You don't own your own footage if you do put it to the cloud, which is wild. That company owns your footage. So they could do whatever they want with it, which is pretty sketchy. So theoretically, if he takes the device and it is not being recorded to the cloud,

he's taken the ability to retrieve that footage. And that's why they're all making such a big deal about the Google FBI coordination to somehow get what they've gotten. How did they get it? Right. Did some of it go up to the cloud? But my point is,

we don't know. They may have more video. Was this all they're able to get? But I would want to go back in there and find the video of when she was dropped off and did the son-in-law walk her to the door or did Annie Guthrie walker to the door. They said the garage.

All that. I think some people were saying. Yeah, I did see. Yeah. That's where we are, the some people saying, now. Because they're not giving us info. You saw that from an old lady, right, on social media saying that? All of people in our live chat yesterday during Halstead were saying it. There was a bunch of people.

They went in through the garage? Yeah, that it was established that they went to the garage. And was that her only? How many cameras were at the house? Right. I don't know. Jane Theobald says, have they considered contacting a psychic?

They might be helpful. He's got our mentalist friend, Christoph. Yeah. Here's an interesting one, Luther Trout. Did her Wi-Fi pick up any other phones that night? Ooh. Does your Wi-Fi automatically, what if I don't have my Wi-Fi on my phone turned on?

It searches, yeah. It could search any device that is also searching, they can ping to each other, even if they're not connected. Really? Okay. Yeah. My dad worked for the phone company. I learned that. Bill Moser, Bill Moser asked, was there anything? That's how they found Brian pinging. Was his phone off? I think his phone was off too, right?

But only for a certain amount of time during his drive and like, yeah. Right, but he was still pinging cell towers, wasn't he? Yeah. Bill Moore says, was there anything missing from Ms. Guthrie's home, such as cast, jewelry, credit cards, clothing, or family photos, never read or heard this information, which is very important. Totally agree, Bill. I haven't heard that either. Would certainly give us some light into whether or not it was a home invasion. I still challenge Chief Halstead on what he said yesterday.

Like, if it's a crime gone wrong, if it's a home invasion, a robbery, and it's a, oh, shi moment, and then it turns into a murder, do they just totally abandon the robbery? Do they totally abandon the original mission? Yeah. And then do they, then do they pivot? into covering up a murder mode. That seems weird to me. If you're going into a home to rob it

and you end up walking out with only a body, that's an interesting set of choices. You know, cover up the murder and go ahead and take what you were going to take anyway. I would think most criminals would do. Diana Mastie Moore. I was wondering have they used canine dogs to pick a percent location.

The answer is yes to that. Go ahead, Patrick. I did hear from someone. I don't remember who it was. So this is not going to help, but that nothing was taken, which, you know, makes it interesting. I don't know. I don't know how it was established. Someone said.

So we're in the someone said mode. Tracy Sebold says, could the man who walked up to the Guthrie home disguise himself? How do you know the mustache and eyebrows are real? Can you tell? No. No, you cannot. Totally. Totally agree.

So there we are on the most addictive story of 2026 that is destined to land in the same zone as Natalie Holloway and Lacey Peterson. Sticking with the Wilicia, Bob Hatfield, it says, hey buddy, hey buddy, is buddy aggressive? It can be? Have you guys ever seen those videos? Have you ever seen those videos about the worst thing you can call a guy? Yeah. Like pal, Chief,

Buddy. I'm a buddy guy, though. What about Haas? So I think Buddy is a term of endearment. Hey, buddy. What's up, bud?

I saw it recently and a boss was up there and I call you boss all the time. So. What up, bud? You do call me boss. I've thought about it too when you do that.

Is it passive aggressive? Yeah. No. You're really not my boss, so. Like, if you, if you're around a dude who's smaller than you and you call him big guy you are not being nice

no no I was like hey wait what um what's up big guy hey buddy enjoy your show are you and your producers possibly going to do a live event in DFW sometime soon

inquiring minds want to know well bob as it turns out I found out this morning that the answer is yes everybody seems to know at Fox except for me so I'm going to turn it to you guys. Apparently I am doing a live show. I don't know if the information's out there yet, but. Oh, I'm not supposed to talk about it? Well, that's, hey, you might tell me about it then, then I would know I'm not supposed to talk about it. There might be an event sometime of July where

you could buy tickets to it and you might be able to meet us all and come see what we do. Maybe, allegedly. We'll see. That's the extent of my knowledge because nobody's asking. Yeah, that's all we told you. It's, you know, by design, well. Helene, Victor, says, Why haven't you changed your desk and chairs on TV? You need a more regal set. Will it be a throne? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, look at it here. Can I wear a crown? It's not a regal set. It's pretty regal. Why would I change this table? This desk is awesome. It's sick.

I'll give you the chair. You need some work. Yeah. Yeah, your sitting position is tough. Oh, what you should do is get the chairs that Michael Malice has. It has the big longhorn horns on it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but if he's talking about a real, like a serious story.

Iron drone, but for Texas. But imagine talking about like a murder and he's just sitting in that chair and it's just really awkward. With big armrests like this? And I sit there. They're a cup of mead. I'll get a big ring You know And guests come on and be like

Kiss it Kiss the ring Before you come on Would that be regal for your For you Helene All right Now some Some questions and advice from Will

Steve Cameron says How many packages a day Delivered to your doorstep Is too much Before you can ask your wife Is this all necessary? I never ask that you have in New York Dan

I wonder do you get as many I get so I feel I feel Steve here there is a lot that arrives at the doorstep we get a ton almost every day my doorman is just knocking trying to get it give us something I have four boxes that business has to

right now I don't even know what's in wonder how that business is doing I've heard I've actually heard not great I think I heard that during Christmas or something. Because you would think all those dudes, the Amazon drivers, the UPS and everything, like they could, like they've got to be busier than ever. They're private contractors now too.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this wild end to the week on Will Cain Country. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. Two a day's Dan, tinfoil Pat, here with us today. Well, let's see this because this is a personal one to all of us, all right? Let's see if I can read it. It's from John Quebec Number one, as a

diehard Eagles fan, how do I reconcile that my favorite podcast host is a Cowboys fan? Do I need to find another podcast? No, John. This is America.

This is what it's about. I mean, how many times do you have to say this? Like, I think this is the good stuff. This is... Now, you probably don't want to hear me talk about the Cowboys too much, and I'd like to think I respect that.

I don't want to hear you talk about the Eagles. A little. maybe, a little good natured back and forth. But manufactured tribalism is the best. It's great. Really is. You know, you got your big tribes.

It's like, it's like the American Indians, right? All right. You got your big tribes. You know, your Cherokees, your Choctaws, big, big, that'd be like cowboys and eagles. Then you got your little tribes, right? The ones that are like sustenous farmers that barely. show up in the history books and the maps. And that's like being a Jags fan. That's like Patrick.

They're the ones that are on the edge of starvation. And no one in history remembers that that little tribe was even here. But they had good spirit. You know what I'm saying? They made the playoffs this year, you know, those kind of things. No, they usually thought everything was rigged against them. They thought the big tribes had it out

for them. When they didn't even realize the big tribes don't think of them. Sure. Who? Number two, says John, I have a strong passion to get into politics and create a better environment for my family and our future generations. But I have a great job in manufacturing and it pays well and provides financial security for my family. How do I make the transition to politics knowing that the local and state-level position salaries are so low? Thanks for the support.

And I can't tell you how much I appreciate you, Dan and Will. No, no, no, no. He didn't even think of the little tribe. You, Dan, Will. He didn't even think of the little tribe. You see what I mean? didn't think of you, Pat. I don't care about that comma, Patrick.

I don't care about that comma. To be fair, I edited this. There's a whole thing about tinfoil pat up at the top. Oh, sure. But I didn't share. Oh. Like the Epstein files, it's redacted? I redacted it because I just thought it would be better for television.

You redacted our information? Yes, I did. What did the full thing? What did John say at the top? Let's say. Did he say you're right about all your theories? He probably. It said tinfoil.

That one A is under subsection 5. I think you need your own segment. He just, he taught, he said tinfoil pat. It was, it was to me. He said, I started listening to Will in 2020 when he was at ESPN and quickly found someone I respected and whose values I could align with. And then there's a whole bunch of other stuff. You got a fan. And then he said, in case you're still lacking submissions, he's the only person to do it right, to go through the email.

no box, he's the only one. So, you know, my props to John. He must be over the age of 50. All right. Well, I feel for John, on this politics deal, though. It is, you know,

that's why it is called when done correctly service. That's why it is, because it is a sacrifice. And, you know, John, I think about that. I'm going to be honest with you. I think about that, too. And, um, It's what it's supposed to be.

It's supposed to be a sacrifice. It's supposed to be go do your time and leave and go back. And that is the problem with politics that the people that have gone into it have turned it into a career because they're going to have to make money somewhere along the way or on the back end. You know? And a lot of good people, a lot. I would say most good people don't choose it for honestly. This is one of the main reasons.

The other reasons is do you really want to get involved in that mess? Like, you can go in with high aspirations and then it's an absolute mess once you're in there. And they end up changing. I guess. Yeah, I guess. You have to have an ego. I mean, this is, well, this is where term limits comes back in. Like, don't you feel like if you were in there for four years and you knew that's all you could be in, you would behave differently?

Don't try to say Trump's going to get another one. Well, we're dealing with Michael Jordan there. He's going back. He gets to play by different rules. He's coming back. That's right. Oh, my. I just want that story so that you lose your mind.

That's all I want. I would lose my mind. I would. I would. I would. And a lot of people would. And I think it would be incredible to see you lose your minds. That's one thing.

But yeah, sure. How was it un-American? FDR did it. Yeah. It's un-American. Four times. FDR was un-American? Some might say.

But he's your, he's, He's the patron saying of leftism. You just don't know it. That's how you guys don't even know things anymore. Like he is. He is. Like Barack Obama, he's got nothing on FDR. Barack Obama's more right than a Democrat.

FDR is the furthest left president in the history of the United States. Was he an ally? But he wouldn't fit in today's modern Democrat Party. No, I was going to say. Would he say LGBTQIA? No, he literally probably wanted it. it to be a communist country or as close as possible.

But he, if you woke FDR up today and rolled him out, he would look around and go, what? This is what we're doing? I think he would. You'd have a pretty dope ex-account, though. Fireside chat on trans.

Can you imagine? What? Men are women now? What? I mean, uh, maybe John could play the stock. I do wonder. He was no dummy. He might have seen it the perfect Trojan horse to cultural Marxism and on the way to Marxism. He might have. He could have rallied the troops.

It's all it is is a rehash. Patrick, you think I'm right? Do you think I'm right? He's the furthest left president in American history? I mean. I think so. Biden didn't mean to be. Biden was up there.

He didn't mean to be. Clinton was like he was an empty vessel. Yeah. Obama wasn't. Obama wasn't. You think of all the worst. Actually, Obama's up there. He's a top fiver on furthest left. But for sure.

Maybe culture issues, but not not economically and policy-wise, I feel like. I've seen a lot of Democrats say that. I think the five worst heroes. If we made a top five list, if we made a top five list of the furthest left presidents. Yeah, Wilson is up there. FDR. FDR. FD.R.

LBJ, yep. Those three. I mean, Carter did some. crazy stuff. He's in there. He's in... Obama, Biden. Yeah, probably in that. Those are five or six right there. Let's see.

FDR... I just asked Chapton. Okay. What is say? FDR number one. I said top five left-leaning progressive liberal presidents in policy governing philosophy. FDR is number one.

Lyndon B. Johnson is number two. Number three would be Woodrow Wilson. early progressive reformer. Number four, Barack Obama. Modern progressive reforms. Yes, I'm down with chat on this so far. Five, Teddy Roosevelt. Interesting, interesting.

Progressive air reformed trust busting and antitrust enforcement, consumer protections, conservation movement leadership, advocated for stronger federal oversight of corporations. And then Truman and Carter. I would say Teddy was a man. Yeah. I don't think, I think Teddy was progressive for his time. I don't know that he'd be progressive for all time. You know what I mean?

I don't think Teddy's vision was close to Obama's vision. I don't think that was one and the same. Whereas Wilson, I think, would have... He's more aligned with Trump in a lot of ways. So, like, is Trump progressive? In some ways, Trump is. that's where the left has totally lost their minds. Like, Trump is not,

Trump would not make, if we did the same thing in Converse, most conservative or furthest right presidents, there's no way Trump would be top five. No. There's no way. I mean, the Brigham brunch crew agrees that he's not a Republican president.

So like, let's do this, ask chat, but let's just, and this will be it for us today here. Much longer episode than I planned on doing. I'm going to guess, Patrick, let's do it together.

I'm going to do it together. I think George, W. Bush will be in there on a top five. I think. What are we asking? Reagan. They'll put Ronald Reagan. They'll put Reagan.

What am I asking it? Who's the most? Same thing but for the right. Calvin Coolidge. You know, it takes a level of knowledge to understand Coolidge. You know what I mean? Because he's historically branded as the

Do Nothing president, but why that's inherently conservative. But they may know that. They may put Coolidge up there. Hold on. Don't tell us, Dan. The problem is once we go back to the 1800s, the political ideologies are so different that it's going to be hard to say who is what. Wow. Interesting.

But I think you're probably right. All right. Go ahead, Dan. What do they have? You ready? Okay. Number one, Ronald Reagan. Modern and conservative standard bearer.

No surprise. Calvin Coolidge, limited government laissez-faire. Number three. Oh, Nixon. Number three, Herbert, who. classical conservatism pre-new-deal. Now we're getting a little further back. 14. Number four is William McKinley.

Pro-business, pro-tariff, Republicanism. And then... Co-tariff? Really? High protective tariffs. Gold standard bear. Number five, Donald Trump. Yeah, I don't think that's right. And then George Bush, Andrew Jackson. More than George W. Bush or Nixon?

Right. Interesting. Interesting. Pretty conservative. Another wild, sloppy episode of the Friday edition of the Wilcane Country, but... Love it. Just like the ratings. I think some of you folks are saying, this is actually how you're going to love it. All right. That's going to do it for us today. Make sure you follow us on Spotify or Apple, and we will see you again next time.

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