Will Cain Country - Why Does Hollywood Hate Its Audience? Woke-ness In Media With The Critical Drinker

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Story #1: Why does Hollywood hate its audience? Why do movie makers and TV producers seem to hate Americans? Will is joined by The Critical Drinker, Will Jordan. Story #2: Would you rather have a president you could have a beer with or one that is "the boss?" Story #3: Michael Phelps is ready to take on the America-hating Australians. And is the Boston Celtics NBA Championship a victory for America? When to root for America in sports. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We have a big, very successful show on YouTube. Joining us today, we have Will Jordan, the critical drinker coming up in just moments. Our old friend Lindyman, Paul Scalas, though, asks an interesting question. Question. Frequent guest here on the Will Kane show. Donald Trump's always the boss. No matter where he goes, he's the boss man. You're seeking his approval. Ron DeSantis tried having a Coors Light with the voter. Would you rather have a president who you want to have a beer with? Would you rather have a president who's the boss? Answer that on X at Will Kane. On Instagram, see Will Kane. Jump into the comments section here on YouTube and let us know. Let's figure out. Boss. or beer here on the Will Cain Show. But let's get after now with story number one. He is the host of Critical Drinker. Also, by the way, the author of the Ryan Drake series on Amazon.

You can catch him on X at The Critical DRI 2. His name is Will Jordan. He's an excellent movie and TV reviewer. You always check his stuff out, as I said, at Critical Drinker. And he's with this morning live from the UK here on the Will Cain Show. What's up? man, great to have you. Yeah, great to be here, man. Thanks for inviting me. So why is it, um, drinker, Will, I'll figure out which one I want to call you throughout the course

of our 30 minutes here together. Why is it that if I don't like Ghostbusters, the all-female reboot, or if I don't like Captain Marvel, or as of now, the reviews are not very solid for Star Wars Acolyte, why is it always my fault? Why is it the audience? It just doesn't seem to get it, or is too toxicly masculine for the content. Why is it the problem of the audience? It always becomes a convenient shield to protect your product from criticism. Rather than acknowledging that maybe there's problems with the writing, the production, the acting, it's easier just to label your critics as racists or sexists or whatever is you want to call them

and call it a day. And then that way you don't have to acknowledge that there might actually be problems with the thing that you've made. So it's just a shield to try and deflect criticism and blame. But there is no doubt. I had a few weeks ago here on the Will Cain Show, Nerd Rodic, and he was talking about how Hollywood now casts, not just for the talent, not just for the characters, but they cast for the director.

And they're trying to make sure that they check all the boxes and everyone involved in the creative process. Of course, that's a failure of the creative process. But why is it we're going down this path of DEI, forced diversity, forced agenda and message? Is it you think that all of these filmmakers and Hollywood production companies are inherently ideological? Or is it they're trying to create some type of product, I guess, that is for everyone. What I mean by that is we've got to have representation of everyone in this movie,

because when it comes to making our budget back, we need everyone at the movies. I think it's probably a combination of all of those things. I mean, we saw the expose that they did on that, the vice president at Disney, straight up admitting that they discriminate against certain people when it comes to their hiring practices. Like, they won't hire white men when it comes to executives or writers, that sort of thing. And partly it's because they believe that they're doing good for society by encouraging diversity, which is lovely.

And I think there's also the financial component of it. They say if you have a brand like the Marvel movies, or Star Wars, more traditionally associated with boys and men, I would say. Not exclusively, but generally focused more on them throughout their history. If you can then diversify that out so you attract an equal number of girls and women into the brand, then you've doubled your money potentially. Unfortunately, they've gone about it the most ham-fisted way possible, and instead of just gradually working in more female characters,

more female-centric storylines over time, they just go completely over the score, remove as many male characters, as they can, for example, and put in more diverse replacements without thinking about how this is going to work or what it's going to do to their existing fan base. So they've tried to solve the problem, but they've created far more problems in the meantime.

So it hasn't worked out well for them at the box office. Well, let's talk about a few pieces of content specifically and see what you have to say. The one everybody's talking about, and I haven't seen it, is on Disney Plus. It's the new Star Wars show, Acolyte. It's got a female show runner. They're already saying, by the way, exactly what we started this conversation with today,

that the audience is too toxicly masculine and is rejecting Star Wars Acolyte. So what's your review right now of this show? This isn't really a show that you watch. It's a show that's inflicted upon you. You can torture people with this show. I mean, it's some of the most amateurish, awful writing and storytelling coupled with horrendous acting and terrible direction that I think I've ever seen within the Star Wars universe. It's actually ranked lower on Rotten Tomatoes than the Hollywood, sorry, the holiday special,

that terrible TV special that they did back in the 70s. So, I mean, that tells you everything you need to know, really. It is a bad show and unashamedly bad. And again, they're just using the gender and the sexuality of the showrunner and the people in it as a shield to deflect criticism for how bad it is. All right, that's a hell of an endorsement for Star Wars Act. All right, I want to ask you about a few more. What do you think of Dune? I just watched Dune 2.

I did watch Dune 1 as well. I'm curious what your thoughts are on Dune. Yeah, I really like it. I mean, it's a relatively faithful adaptation of the book. The book is some pretty challenging source material, so it doesn't lend itself particularly well to film. It's a difficult one to translate. Obviously, we had the movie from back in the 80s where they tried it.

That was a bit of a failed attempt. But I think Denise Villeneuve has done a really good job with this one. It captures most of the themes and ideas, I think, the fairly complex politics behind the story of the book. Not necessarily the most emotionally engaging story ever, but I think, again, that's partly the source material that's to blame there. It's a more intellectualized kind of experience, but from the point of view of the acting, the cinematography, the technical aspects, the VFX, all of it looks fantastic.

So overall, an excellent sci-fi movie, or two movies. I totally, I totally agree. I really like Dune. And I actually think it's worth talking about in our discussion because Dune is a message movie. It definitely has something to say, and it's fairly anti-capitalism. You know, I think that the, and I haven't read the source material, but having watched and read just a little bit about the movie, I mean, Spice as a natural resources, sort of a stand-in for oil, the Freyman, sort of a stand-in for sort of, you know, Aboriginal, perhaps Middle Easterners, you know, affected by capitalist harvesting companies and so forth. I'm not saying it's a direct on the nose indictment of capitalism, but it didn't bother me, Will, because it seems to be. like integrated into the whole point of the story instead of shoved in in some like ham-fisted

over-the-top way the way it might have been you know captain marvel isn't necessarily ideological but you can feel the woke ideology through every bit of the storytelling which takes a back seat to superficial um messaging where this is actually not a superficial piece of messaging it's deep and okay all right carl Marx had something to say about capitalism as well. You should probably read Karl Marx. It doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he had to say, but you could watch Dune, enjoy Dune, appreciate its artistry, and not agree with everything it has to say as a message. I think as well there's a big difference between exploring political ideas and pushing political ideology. And I think with Dune, that's the difference. It encourages

you to think about these different political ideas and, you know, the exploitation of natural resources. But it's also tied into a much bigger story about the dangers of power corrupting and the dangers of false prophets, religious fundamentalism, that everyone's willingness to believe in Paul as this savior, this Messiah figure that's going to deliver them to paradise. And as you discover, certainly in the books, he's anything but he's very much a flawed human with all of the weaknesses and all of the failings that humans experience. And it ultimately ends really badly for him. If they get a third movie, I imagine they're going to explore that very effectively. But it's able to wrap up all of these different ideas and explore all of these different ideas

within a compelling narrative. And I think that's the key to storytelling with something like Dune. I'll give you another example of a show that I just began, season two of House of Dragon. And House of Dragon also has something to say about, I don't know about the patriarchy, but a historical fact that the arc of history bends towards male leaders and female leaders have found it difficult to arrive at power. That's part of the story of House of Dragon.

But again, I don't feel like it's being hammered over my head to the sacrifice of the story. I don't know how you feel. I like House of Dragon. No, I think they've done a really good job with that. And yeah, the show certainly acknowledges the fact that throughout history, yeah, it's traditionally men who lead,

who go to war, and as a result, they become the kings of the land. And the sacrifices and the dangers that face a lot of the female characters in this is pregnancy and given birth. You see it certainly in season one, like more than one female character either passes away or experiences great trauma through giving birth and the positions that they're put in because of that. So it tackles it from a different point of view, but it doesn't give you way.

weak characters. They're still extremely strong, interesting characters. They're just not necessarily swinging an axe on a battlefield. And it does it particularly well because the male characters are not diminished and they're not made to look like idiots in order to make the women look better. So you've got an interesting character capable, competent characters and they balance out nicely, I think. And to your point, in a believable way, it doesn't have to be Ray and Star Wars defeating men all over the battlefield. field. It's, um, it's, you know, a female, uh, Targaryen completely adept and ruthless when it comes to politics, much more believable to her physical stature and, of course, history, even though

it's in a fantasy land. It just makes it all the much more enjoyable. Now, um, nerd, I asked nerdotic this. I said, what, what should I be watching that I'm not watching? And so, one of the things he said, it's good is Shogun. I should ask you that same question. And I did watch Shogun, James Clavel's 1970s book turned into a new series right now on FX. And again, Will, I loved Shogun. And this is good because I don't think everything we talk about

has to be some indictment of something that's been made. This is an endorsement. Now, this is right down the fair way of things that I like. Well, I like history. I like historical fiction. I like narrative nonfiction. I like learning as I'm entertained. So I love Shogun.

I never thought about, you know, what is it? 1600s, Japan in the age of exploration, intersection with Western civilization. Actually, I don't know. I loved Shogun. What do you think of it? Fantastic show. Yeah, performances are superb. The writing's excellent.

The characters are interesting. And it's such an interesting insight into a culture that we don't know a huge amount over here. You know, it's something that we don't have any direct experience of. And so you learn so much as you go through it. And it's a very different, very alien culture. But you learn the underpinnings of why they do things. the way they do and how important honor is to them and so on. It's fascinating. Yeah, and it treats

the audience with respect. It doesn't treat them like idiots. And it treats the characters with respect as well and expect you to keep up with what's going on. So yeah, for all those reasons, Shogun is a fantastic show. I also like what you talked about its message. It has something to say. And it's talking about this clash of cultures and civilizations where one is kind of inherently selfish that's the western view of his place in the world versus the highest the highest calling in this in this civilization the east is duty and honor and what stuck out to me about that in modern american cinema despite you and i talking about this like the message the message they keep shoving message at us in a way it's always the same message it's like be true to yourself

you know whatever that is your sexuality your gender it's like be a full be a flower that's fully in bloom. We keep getting that over and over and over. No matter how much the world tells you that you're not supposed to flower, let your pedals out. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of the messaging now seems to be in Hollywood movies for sure. You're perfect the way you are and you just need to realize your own potential or your own awesomeness and the rest of the world just needs to deal with that. You know, the pervasive messages that you used to get, particularly in American cinema, was about improving yourself, like striving to overcome. odds and having to better yourself and perhaps learn something about yourself in the process.

You know, personal growth comes through struggle, whereas the message now is you've done all the growing that you need to do and you're perfect and it's the rest of the world who needs to adapt to you, which is, it's not a great message to arm people for dealing with life, I don't think, because life does throw a lot of challenges at you and you have to often change to adapt to that. you know i probably watch and more than i i should be watching drinker i mean i know this in fact uh i think i've watched so many series and movies that just in the last couple of weeks i decided i'm going to stop and i'm going to go back to reading more books devoting more time to to

reading books and i picked i'm reading both a michael crichton book right now and a historical non-fiction book um about captain james cook but i'm curious do you think there is some genre out there that isn't well explored that's not fully saturated? I'm an American. I'm from Texas. I love westerns. I'm going to be interviewing a little bit later this week, Kevin Costner, about Horizon. I love Yellowstone. But there's a lot of Westerns. Do you think there's a genre out there that's not being explored that were you, and I know you do write, you know, were you to write something new or were you to produce? You'd be interested in mining that genre? Well, I think we're getting to that point now where essentially every genre that you can do within Hollywood has been explored already. You know, it's just a natural result of the passage of time. You know, we have more and more time.

There's more and more services like studios, streaming services that are putting out content constantly. I think the next big frontier for movies is going to be video game adaptations. That is the thing that they've tried on and off over the years. they've had a few successes, mostly failures, because they didn't know how to do it right. Only in the past few years have they really started to crack it. And I think once they do, you have got decades and decades worth of hugely popular video games

with enormous audiences. Like the amount of money in that industry dwarfs Hollywood easily. So when they find the way to properly adapt those, that's going to be the next superhero craze. As much as superheroes ruled the box office for the past 10 years, I think video game adaptations are probably going to be the next thing. Well, give me an example, though, like Call of Duty. What would you turn in, what would be some great ones that would be turned into movies?

Right. I mean, there's things that they have tried unsuccessfully. For example, the Tomb Raider games, hugely popular. They've never quite cracked it in terms of the actress, the director, that sort of thing. Angelina Jolie had a good shot at it. But the Resident Evil series, they have failed. consistently with that, but my goodness, if they ever get it right, they've got a gold mine on their hands. Yeah, probably you could make a decent movie out of the Call of Duty games as well.

Just a straight-up action thriller with lots of espionage stuff going on. Pretty easy stuff, pretty adaptable. Same thing with sci-fi stuff, like the Halo series. They tried to turn that into a TV show. I don't think it's been particularly popular, but if they actually find a way to do it right, again, it's a gold mine. They've pretty much succeeded with The Last of Us. a pretty popular show on HBO, so we'll see what they do with season 2 because that could be a tricky one. You know the games. Yeah. It's funny, I'm not a huge gamer, so I didn't even know the last of us was a game, but I did watch the series on HBO. I think that's a great, I mean, you're absolutely right. See, but see me, to some extent, that's a, that's a reflection of

capitalism and marketing that you're going to play into existing characters. It's smart. right you want to sell the audience something you know the audience already likes and that would be video games it's also a little bit of a crutch and reflects i think the lack of creativity and coming up with something new i don't fault them i mean you know a um a halo a successful halo series would be gangbusters but i also would just like to see a little more you know creativity of coming up with something new that i would like to believe is still in hollywood yeah it's partly Well, it's very much a problem of money because if you're going to drop to 300 million on a movie or a TV show, you need to be pretty sure that that money is going to pay off, you know, that the gamble's going to pay off and you're going to get your investment back because it's a lot to drop. And so that's why they take on these supposedly safe bets. That's why you see so many remakes of old shows or old movies trying to capitalize on that existing fan base and take the road that's well-traveled, you know, that they think will be successful again. It doesn't always work because people are not too keen on remakes generally, but they keep trying.

And I think, yeah, again, video games would be a reflection of that, that trying to have a safe bet. You have that video up on your YouTube channel, Critical Drinker, talking about the need to make so much money. The size of Hollywood budgets is actually one of the biggest problems with, I think, both the kind of stories that we're getting. and in some part, this woke DEI ideology of you have to be everything to everybody at all time. The only problem with that is they keep trying to turn off their core audience, seemingly like sticking a finger in the eye of your core audience. Hey, back to, you used the word, and I, Frontier, you said it in reference to the next Frontier's

video games, perhaps. I'm always attracted to sort of the frontier. I think, you know, that's where adventure is, and that's why I like Westerns. I mean, you're a Brit, I think, you know, or you're from the UK. So what is, does that appeal to you at all, Westerns? I think that, like, I think there's something in that that appeals to everyone. You know, the image of the gunslinger coming into this no-name town at the edge of civilization, you know, the desert wind blowing across the place. And that feeling of lawlessness, like, you're creating a whole new world for yourself out there.

and a person can leave one place, come somewhere else and be a different person, all of that stuff is always going to appeal to the adventurous side of people. And you get the same thing in a lot of sci-fi. You know, when you look at the Star Wars movies, like Han Solo is just an old West Gunslinger. That's all he is, just in a sci-fi setting.

So you can take elements of that and port it into almost any genre. So, yeah, I think there's always going to be something about the Western that people are going to like. I want to, I know, I know, that you're a fan of football. Forgive me for calling it soccer here, second nature, for a moment. I am too. I am too. I watch the Premier League. I'm watching Euros. I'm watching Copa America. I'm going to run this by really quickly. I was at a bar the other day, and I was with a guy.

He was a, we'll call him a Europhile. He was an Australian. And he was making the argument to me that nobody cares about Copa America. And I'm like, well, not nobody. I mean, you know, America's in and I understand our role in the world of soccer. But Argentina and Brazil are in Cope America. This is the tournament of the Americas, South America and North America. And Argentina is the reigning World Cup champion. So it's not nobody. And he was so snobby, Will, about Euros, which I will readily admit is a better tournament, better soccer on average, and more popular.

But he was so snobby. I was like, and then, by the way, and I don't know if this is going to hurt our relationship or not, I'm also a Manchester City fan, and I have a ton of reasons why, and I can lay out for you beyond simply glory. hunting, why I was going to say. And then, I have a lot of reasons. But he then looked down his nose on me on that as well. And he's like, it's not a real club. It might be a team.

It's not a real club. I was like, why is everything so snobby? Like in America, we at least have the common decency to be ashamed of our snobbiness. Why is snobbiness such a big part of looking down on everything else? And I said, whatever this is right now that you're doing, it makes me want to vote for Donald Trump more. It makes me like Westerns. It makes me want the guy who comes in and who's a giant.

middle finger to the old world order even more all of this embraced snobbiness it's a it's a form of gatekeeping ultimately it would be the same thing in music you know if someone says like oh who's your favorite artist and you say with someone like Taylor Swift like obviously they're going to laugh at you because it's like well no you should be into all these indie bands that I'm going to name and it's the same thing with anything like the the more obscure or the more like it's um kind of specialized your interest uh the more people are going to expect you to dig right down to demonstrate your knowledge of that. And so if you pick anything mainstream or well-known,

you're out of the club, unfortunately. So, yeah, it's the same with football, it's the same with movies, music, whatever. Same with everything. In football, what I've always found fascinating about the view of the Premier League is there are certain clubs that are allowed to be good and big because they have a history of being big and good.

And newcomers aren't allowed in. You know, no Newcastles and no man cities. You're not allowed into the old boys club. And I find it so reflective of the difference in our two cultures. Like, America loves the guy that comes barging into the country club and announces his presence. And England's like, you don't really belong.

So we're not going to count your titles. Yeah, it's a 100% a cultural thing. As you say, Americans appreciate confidence, brashness, people who just announce themselves very loudly and very confidently. Brits do not go in for that sort of thing. Generally, they prefer a bit more subtlety and a bit more restraint, I suppose. So maybe that's it. Well, we can tie this back to content for a moment.

One thing I like about your history, and this is back to the Frontiersmanship thing, it's sort of that Western risk-tolerance culture, is the book I'm reading right now. I just mentioned it's called Wide Wide Water, I believe. It's by the same guy that wrote, Kingdom of Ice. I like the age of exploration. In the Brits, for example, along with the Portuguese and the Spanish, I mean owned exploration. Like James Cook, what a great character, you know, and you've got a lot of these characters, James Cook who discovered, quote unquote discovered, Hawaii and much of, you know, the Pacific Islands. You've got that. I actually think that's a genre. I asked you what genre, I think more on exploration. Well, I think the heroic age of exploration and adventure, you know, these guys like striving to reach the South Pole or to be the first to climb Everest or the first to find the Northwest Passage, all of that stuff.

The guys who risked everything to fill in the edges of the map, that is a cool thing. And it's, as you say, it ties in with that frontiersmanship of the Old West, of expanding and, you know, seeing what's out there. So the adventurous aspect of people, of our psyche, it's always going to appeal to that. Yeah. So I'll ask you the same question. What am I missing? You and I can spend a lot of time talking about what's not good, and I don't want to watch what's not good. I'm not going to watch Star Wars act like.

And it's not a protest. It's about time and investment. You know, why would I give my time to it? So what should I be that I might not be watching right now, Will? Well, you're already watching House of the Dragons, so that's definitely a good start. The Gentleman on, I think it's Netflix. It's the Guy Ritchie show. It's based kind of an offshoot of the movie that he did.

Again, a really good one. If you like those sort of Guy Ritchie lockstock and two-smoking barrels or Snobacco. match, that sort of thing. It's great stuff. It's really funny, really complex storytelling with lots of betrayals and stuff, and great well-written characters. So that's a good one. And probably Cobra Kai as well. That is a personal favourite of mine. It's been going a few years now. I think this is the last season this year. Tremendously entertaining, brilliantly funny, a great like continuation of that karate kid franchise from the 80s. Somehow they find a way to bring it into the modern day,

but still keep it like the beaten heart of it going. And yeah, I really enjoy that. I'm on a good path. I've watched them. I've watched them both. Okay, last two questions about the industry real quick. So I've seen you talk about this on your channel. There's no movie stars anymore.

And this has been a while in the making. You know, I don't know when we had our last movie star, when the last one was built. um entertainment is fractured but what i find fascinating about this it's not just that we don't have movie stars it's almost as though talent is interchangeable you have a very short shelf life as a movie star a quote unquote movie star a leading man whatever it may be um but i'm curious as to why because when you see when you see content fractured up i mean this this extends to what you do for a living now and what i do as well it actually lends power back to the the quote unquote talent

I hate that word, you know, but it does because the power shifts away from the distributor. When there's just a couple of distributors, they have all the power about who will be stars and who will not be stars, right? But now that the power is in the content creators' hands, it makes them even more valuable. I think you see that, for example, by the way, in the news is Stephen A. Smith's been offered $18 million by ESPN, and that's an opening offer. So I'm just curious, like, well, then where's the money going? if they don't appreciate stars in content,

is it showrunners? It's definitely got to shift to the content creator. So where are the stars? I think the stars kind of vanished, particularly with the advent of the superhero movies that really just took over cinema for such a long time because people were no longer going to the cinema to see their favorite movie star.

They were going to see their favorite character. And so that's a very big difference. And when you have that, you essentially nullify the need for a movie star. You just need an actor who can play that character and that's what people are interested in seeing. And we've kind of never gotten out of that slump. And I don't know if we will. And the other part of the equation, I suppose, is that things like social media have made movie stars a lot more accessible, which is not necessarily a good thing because they used to have a mystique. We'll find out who they are. Yeah, exactly. We get to see who they

really are and a lot of the time they're not people that we really want to know any more about and that's disappointing but it robs them of them mystique and it robs them of their their intrigue and their star power because they're just humans like us and we get to hear every mundane thought that they have and it's often not very inspiring so those two things have kind of crippled the concept of the movie star sadly all right finally you've got another video up about this and we started our conversation here they keep they keep blaming their problems on the audience audience. It's almost as though it's intentional. Is it intentional? This concept of fan baiting. Is all the controversy in making the audience mad part of marketing?

Yeah, apparently it is. I've seen various reports about this, people trying to do exposés on it and try to describe how the industry works. And I think for certain studios, it's become standard practice where they will intentionally make a big song and dance about the fact that they've changed the race and gender sexuality of certain characters in their new project. They know that the fans would be unhappy about that because it's disrespecting the source material. They then parlay that into it being motivated by racism or sexism, bigotry, whatever. And they could use that to garner sympathetic coverage from the media and a big old storm of controversy that gets lots of people talking about their project.

So it's essentially free marketing. It's done in the dirtiest and most unpleasant way possible, but it's effective. So, yeah, that's what they've been doing in a lot of cases. All right, well, good luck. By the way, I'm taking it as Scotland. You're rooting for Scotland for a little while. Well, I did until they got put out over the weekend. Right.

So out of curiosity, do you shift any allegiance at all to England at that point? Like, what's the modern-day relationship between Scotland and England? Is it William Wallace still? Are you going to root for England? This is going to get me hunted down in Scotland, like, if I say this. But, yeah, a little bit to something. extent because they're still a British side, so okay, they're close enough. Yeah, I know it's England and yeah, I know they can be real annoying about it at times, but I guess I would rather

they won than, you know, someone like Italy or France or whatever. So, yeah, I'll reluctantly shift my support to England now. Okay, all right. All right, man, critical drinker. Will Jordan, thanks so much, man. We'll check you out on YouTube. Everybody should check him out. If you ever have a piece of content that you're curious about, should I watch this, or why is it so bad? he's going to be your man to tell you uh appreciate it so much will thank you thanks will all right there he goes critical drinker here on the will cane show all right you heard me mention it uh snobbiness of sort of this eurocentric view makes me even more like i want Donald trump to bust in to the country club so here's the question do you want a president

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There's nothing to illustrate a guy you'd like to have a beer with more than someone who uses the word whom. But would you rather have a president with whom you'd like to have a beer with or who's the boss? Paul Scalas runs a substack and he's been a guest. He's been a guest. here on The Will Kane Show, and his ex-handle is Lindy man. And he talks about the concept of Lindy a lot. Lindy is the idea that, you know, if something has survived the test of human trial and error, if something is a tradition, if it's been around for hundreds, and certainly in the case, thousands of years, it has by its very inherent survival value.

And that's absolutely true. That's part of the conservative nature, by the way. You don't just wake up with every generation. days, every couple of years thinking, well, I can perfect humanity, ignoring what a small speck, not just in the universe, but on the timeline you actually are. Literally, something that's been around for thousands of years has value. Now, that is not to say, because it's been around for thousands of years, we just defer and continue. I give you slavery. But it also, like, slavery is an interesting thing to study. Martyr-made, Darryl Cooper has a long

series podcast, 10-part series about the history of slavery, because once again, in our own hubris, like our own lack of humility, we think slavery was invented in America or maybe, you know, in the Caribbean. And we're the first to ever, you know, have slavery. Slavery has been around forever. By the way, in various forms. And here's something controversial, yet historically true. Slavery was an advancement in human civilization. The first form of slavery was when you conquered another village, you conquered another tribe, you took them as slaves. But the truth is, prior to taking them as slaves, do you know what you did when you conquered another village? You conquered another tribe? Murder. You killed everyone in the village. When there was some economic value

to the vanquished, then they became slaves. And this is on and on through civilization and tribe after tribe and thousands of years. But still, the point there is to think of yourself as little bit more than the master of the universe in your small little 20-year vision of humanity. If it's been around forever, then it might consider, it might deserve some consideration. Well, with that backdrop, Lindyman who constantly thinks about, you know, how is this work in the whole grand scheme of humanity asks, would you rather have a leader, a president that you want to have a beer with or a leader who's the boss? He points back to a video about a year ago of Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida, having a beer.

You know, Coors Light. Awkwardly, if we're being honest, Ron DeSantis stands have found themselves among the most sensitive in the political sphere. You can't point out the obvious truths even when you like Ron DeSantis. And I really like Ron DeSantis. But it's awkward, him attempting to have the beer with a constituency. And he writes, one of the things that makes Trump successful is he is, always in CEO boss mode, even when campaigning in public. The citizens act like employees, and they are grateful their boss is being nice to him.

Most politicians try to be one of the regular guys, and it looks awkward. Trump is just the boss, and most people have a boss and act accordingly. Now, let's state the obvious. You don't work for the president of the United States. The president of the United States works for you, the American. These are public servants, and that's the proper view of public service. Still, we can understand, as part of that public service, you become the most powerful man in the world, certainly when it comes to the presidency. And that's going to come with it some aura of the boss.

It's not way for every leader for thousands of years, from emperors and generals to prime ministers and presidents. There's certainly, despite the fact that they work for us, the aura of the boss. So why do we try to, like, have this pretense that they're the every man, you know? Well, I think the answer, honestly, is you want a bit of both, and you never want neither. I mean, look, Biden and Hillary Clinton are clearly neither. That's not partisan. You don't want to have a beer, and you don't feel like they're the boss.

Certainly with Biden. Maybe you could tell yourself the Hillary Clinton was some form of girl boss. But Donald Trump actually pulls off both. It's true. He gives off boss vibe. You walk into any room, and he is the boss. He just did the all-in podcast, which is huge. Silicon Valley. I don't know about billionaires, but maybe, but definitely 100 millionaires. David Sachs, Chmoth, Paula Patia, Jason Calcanus. And it's a successful podcast, the all-in podcast. They all wore suits. They never wear suits. They all wore suits to match the boss to interview Donald Trump. But I've been around him. It's interesting. There is that aura. But he also wants you to be happy.

He's like the ultimate host. Like he's, how's your food? How you doing? You know, it's this, and jokes and laughs and is in on the joke, even laughs at himself in some ways. It's very much of a guy vibe, if you know what I mean. And as such, you know, kind of. kind of an every man. Not awkward, not holding himself out above, but yet stands somewhat above.

He's pulled off this ability to be both. And if you haven't, if you haven't met him, I would understand, and this isn't like, oh, I've met him. No, I'm just saying if you haven't met him, I'd understand if you only see the boss version. But look at some of the videos when he walks into a dairy queen. When he walks into Tony and Nick's, you know, cheese steaks in Philadelphia, that's not, you know, an emperor asking you to kiss the cloak. That's him polling people. Hey, what do we think of Vice Presidency? Who do you think?

Oh, okay. You like J.D. Vance. Oh, you like Vivek. Okay. You know, he's... And he's interested. He's not just doing it. He's interested in hearing him. So there's... I mean... I... It's like the difference between talking at

and talking with people. And I think that the... The true thing we're trying to decide here is what's real, what's authentic. Don't pretend to be in every man. Don't pretend to drink Coors' Lights with me if you don't drink Coors' lights with the people. Don't pretend to be the boss if you've never been the boss. That's like Michael Dukakis wearing a helmet on the back of a tank.

Didn't fit. Didn't feel authentic. In the end, it's just got to be real. And for Donald Trump, it's real to be, like, one of the guys and the boss. So who do you want to be your president? You want the guy to be real. And right now, for the moment in time, I don't think we really need someone to have a beer with. We really need somebody competent to take charge and to be the boss.

It's okay to root for America. It is. Even when it's against my own personal team's interests. It's okay if you thought Boston Celtics winning the NBA finals was a win for America and Michael Phelps ready to fight for America. That's next on the Will Kane Show. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world.

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But most importantly, join the Will Kane Show community. Subscribe on Apple or Spotify. Subscribe on YouTube. Jump into the comment section. and jump in to the Will Cain show. We need to send out a congratulations, by the way, to our producer, Tinfoil, Pat. His Florida Panthers are the NHL champion. Tinfoil really quickly want to ask you this.

Exuberance, like feel like a champion today, or relief, feel like you avoided being a loser? Because choking up a 3-0 lead would have been historical, like the worst. The worst thing in the world. The Oilers came back after Panthers were up 3-0 to tie at 3-3. And that would have, you know, like for the Mavericks losing to the Celtics, for me, I really didn't want to be somebody that was swept. To be honest, I take a little bit of pride in that one game. You don't want to go down in the history books,

and you would have been page one in the worst form of losing in the history books. So exuberance or relief that you're the NHL or the Stanley Cup champion. I mean, during the game, you know, I could just feel slipping away. even with the one goal lead. But once it hits, you know, zeroes, it's exuberance all the way. I mean, the Stanley Cup, winning the Stanley Cup and seeing it lifted up, it's just a different feeling. I don't know.

You can't, it gets past that feeling of relief. Yeah, but it would have been bad. It would have been bad. So bad. It would have been real bad. You know, Bill Simmons used to write a call on levels of losing. I think it would have reached the apex, like the worst level of losing. By the way, as we're talking about championships here,

we're going to put a button on my Dallas Mavericks losing to the Boston Celtics. But I was listening to Dallas Sports Talk Radio the other day, and they were real mad about former NBA player Nick Young saying that the Celtics being the Mavs was a win for America. Here, I want you to listen to what Nick Young had to say about the Celtics versus the Mavs and Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown versus Luca Donchich. Here's former NBA player, Nick Young. Let's give it up for America.

Because we won, baby. America won, baby. Jason Taylor, Jaylon Brown did it for America. They put Luca ass out. Oh, my God. I got so tired of everybody talking about these foreigners and shit. America is here, baby. It's America's lead, baby.

It's America's League. I hope y'all see it. Tail him here, well, fucking, bam. That's Nick Young. So the guys in Dallas, I guess, are being protective. And you know how I like regionalism, you know? I probably like cities over states and states over countries and countries over globalists. But the guys in Dallas were super mad about this because, you know, we ride with Luca.

But I actually get it. Like, if you're not a Mavericks fan, you know, I think it's perfectly fine to celebrate the Celtics over the Mavs to root for Boston over Dallas in this case because they're best players in Boston are Americans. Now, and Dallas's best players from Slovenia. Now, let me say, there has been this racial tension going on. We talked about it here with Andy Murray on the Friday edition of Canaan Sports. There is definitely a racial component that, where, you know, the NBA is supposed to be

black and the best players can't be, you know, Nicola Yokic and Luca Donch. And that was Gilbert Arena's show, by the way. And Gilbert Arenas, I think, has said something like that. So that's different. I'm not into the racial identity politics, tribalism of basketball. But national tribalism and politics? Yeah, absolutely. We invented basketball.

Come on. Peach baskets. It's okay. Two a days, tinfoil. I'm okay with this. Like, you know, young establishment James is a Celtics fan, but just take random dude from Jacksonville. By the way, I heard Jacksonville described as America's pawn shop. Like if pawnchops were a city, it would be Jacksonville.

Wow. It's true. Which tinfoil lives in Jacksonville. But random dude from Jacksonville, I think you can look at the Celtics over the Mavs and say win for America. Do you guys disagree? I'm a little biased. I don't like Boston sports being a New York sports fan. But like I said, I was rooting for the Mavs. I like the Mavs. So I don't know. It's a tough call.

But, you know, it's a win for America, I would say. Yeah, Mav's best player from Slovenia, Celtics best players from America. I don't mind somebody celebrating that, tinfoil. It gets a little confusing because, like, yesterday, to bring the Panthers back into this, they beat the Canadian team, kept the 31-year street going, where we have the Cup in America, but our captain is finished. So, I mean, you know, where do you draw, I don't know where you draw the line. Well, hockey is going to be tough.

As far as like players and, you know, but I do think, yeah, I mean, as long as the Raptors don't win it, I, you know, I think that it's a win for America overall in general. And then you go down to players. Yeah, well, look, good luck getting an all-American hockey team. If Rachel Campo's Duffy made the argument to me that hockey was the most patriotic sport this past weekend of Foxman. I mean, patriotic for who? For Canada? For Finland? Like, what are we talking about here?

How many Americans, what is it? 30%? Is 30% of the ice American at this point? If I take a random selection of hockey players skating on the ice at any given moment, what percentage is American? I'm going to put the over under at 35%. What I'm looking at right now is... And I might take the under.

What I'm looking at right now is that 29.3% of the league is American. Pretty good. There you go. U.S. born. 29.3%. I am so okay with... nationalism. Like, what is wrong with it? I'm okay. And this is part of what I like about sports. Like, again, back to the Euro 2024 and the Copa America. I mean, it's awesome. We get to root for

the red, white, and blue. And I know there's going to be anti-socker guy out there and anti-socker guys even on this show, multiple anti-socer guys on this show. But what an awesome opportunity to root for the red, white, and blue. And also, by the way, anti-socer guy is also anti-Olympic guy, huge crossover. And I like both. I like Olympics. And soccer. And we got the Olympics in a few months. This is partly because I played an Olympic sport growing up, you know, for swimming, then water polo. And this caught my attention, Michael Phelps, just being so pro-America. He was shown a video, of course, you know, America's greatest all-time swimmer. I mean, up there, by the way, any Mount Rushmore of great

athletes. It's just a fact, the way he dominated. Was shown a video by this Australian swimmer talking this way about America. I want you to listen to Phelps' reaction. So much sweeter beating America. Particularly the first night of competition, where we did not have to hear star spangled banner ring out through the stadium, and I cannot tell you how happy that made me. So for the Americans, if you see what I just saw, that's the first time I saw it, I would watch that thing every single day to give me that little extra bit of just

oh i mean i'm yeah that that's awesome well the good news is the Olympics will be here shortly and we'll be able to see what the results are well what's fun about that video

and we edited it just a little bit for time but my favorite part and it wouldn't play in audio is when he's watching the video it's his facial expressions like it's authentic like random eyebrow raises random like forced upside down smile You know, the ones that aren't real smiles, more like smiles right before you stab someone in medieval Europe, he's legit, not happy. And she was going on on like, I hate USA USA chance.

I never want to hear the Star-Spangled Banner. They're cowbells. And that's awesome. She's Australian. So be pro-Australian. That's great. And that's a bit of a swimming rivalry because it's the two best in the world. Used to be U.S. and Russia.

Now it's U.S. and Australia. and has been for 20 plus years. But he's legit. Like, he's mad. And I love it. And I love to see that ride or die for the red, white, and blue. USA makes me want to watch the Olympics even more. And I don't begrudge that Australian, whatever her name is,

as she ticks off the greatest swimmer of all time, who will not be in the water, but not just motivate other Americans. It's okay. to root for America. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on the Will Kane show. Always love hanging out with you. Hope to see you again tomorrow in order to ensure that we do so. Subscribe.

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