Will Cain Country - ⁠Why the Left Calls Thanksgiving a ‘Day of Mourning’ (ft. Rep. Chip Roy, Michael Chandler, & Vince August)⁠

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Story 1: Islam is on the rise in Texas, which has led many Texans to be concerned about the potential of Sharia Law being implemented in their communities. Congressman Chip Roy (R-TX) discusses his efforts to combat the spread of radical Islam in Texas, while also discussing his ongoing campaign for Texas Attorney General and the immigration battle. Story 2: Professional MMA Fighter Michael Chandler helps Will preview his upcoming matches with Chad Mendes and Real Freestyle Wrestling on FOX Nation this Saturday and against Conor McGregor at the White House in 2026, before explaining the difference between Freestyle and Collegiate wrestling. Story 2: Is Thanksgiving now a “day of mourning?” Comedian Vince August reacts to the view held by some that instead of a time to get together with your family, it should instead be taken as a day to mourn the fate of the Native Americans. Vince and Will also compare their top food picks for Thanksgiving dinner and debate to what extent foreign cuisine is acceptable at the table.   Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Islam in Texas, the Paws Act, the Save Act, the Dignity Act, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas, with Congressman and candidate for Attorney General in the state of Texas, Chip Roy. Two, Michael Chandler will fight on the White House lawn. For America 250, he'll take on Connor McGregor. But first, this weekend, on Fox Nation, real American wrestling. Freestyle. Three, comedian Vince August on how Thanksgiving has become a day of morning. It is Wilcane Country, streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, the Fox News Facebook page, and always available on your drive whenever you embark for Thanksgiving by following us on Spotify or on Apple. On a drive, on the road.

In the car, Congressman Chip Roy, story number one. He is candidate for Attorney General of the great state. of Texas currently serving as congressman in Texas 21st congressional district he is shaded up belted up hooded up on the road I presume somewhere for Thanksgiving yeah we're making a quick road trip over to a buddy's place he's got about 100 acres we're going to go shoot some stuff and blow some stuff up and then I'll head home tonight and we'll be it there for Thanksgiving and then Aggie's UT on Friday let's go horns hook them let's go arch well you know i think this game is always a 50-50 toss-up you know

you know i'm married and aggie and i'm going over to buddies places near college station so i just passed that big barn you know when you're driving out towards caldwell and that family has that big aggie barn and then the next farm down has a great big u t flag so they're dueling across the highway but it's going to be a good weekend and it all depends on the offensive line is who shows up and what happens on Friday, but it'll be a good game. It's one of my favorite things about Thanksgiving is the intra-family rivalries in battle. At my Thanksgiving table, I will have Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Texas represented. I don't think I have a single Aggie, though, Congressman, not a single Aggie in the family,

not welcome at Thanksgiving. We've got them all. We get my dad's a Red Raider. We've got Baylor. We got A&M. We got Texas. I don't think we got any SMU. But anyway, we cover a lot of the state.

All right, Congressman Chip Roy is also running for Attorney General of the Great State of Texas. I got a lot I want to talk to you about today. There are some serious issues, and they somehow all tie together. There is the Save Act. There is the Paws Act. Yesterday, I had a debate with Congresswoman Maria Salazar on the Dignity Act. But I think I want to start, actually, with your candidacy for Attorney General. And here's why.

This is a growing story. It is a difficult story. It's a story where you and I've had a few conversations. I've had a conversation with the sitting attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton, about this. But people are talking about the growth of Islam in Texas. The number of mosques in Texas has proliferated over the last decade. There are suggestions and concerns about communities implementing Sharia law. And, of course, people are familiar with, I think at this point, the epic development outside of Dallas designed around a Muslim-centric life.

It's not the only development in the state of Texas. It's not the only development in the United States like this. And there are a lot of concerns. But the conversation, I think, ultimately has to go here, Congressman, what can be done? What can be done with the Constitution of the United States? Well, we don't have to do anything with respect to the Constitution of the United States other than honor it. But we have to keep in mind that let's take a step back of what we're talking about. I just read a story yesterday about a poll that was conducted in France that said something like 50% of the Muslims in France were sympathetic to and supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

Let's just think about what we're dealing with here. We're dealing with effectively a political movement, a political effort to Islamify Texas and the United States. It is designed for a more command and control style to what they're trying to do with respect to building a majority, to then implement Sharia law, and ultimately to convert people. That's the goal. And they're pretty open about it. And you know that, and I know that. And the issue here is, is under our Constitution, you can believe what you want to believe. It is a fundamental part of the First Amendment.

You and I both studied it in law school. We both know it as students of history in our country. But at the end of the day, when you've got something that is undermining our rule of law, undermining our constitution, purposely designed to upend Western civilization, that is a political movement. And we do not have to allow more people to come in who adhere to it, nor do we have to allow the creation of communities, of developments that are exclusionary and designed to implement Sharia law and so forth. So I support Attorney General Paxton and trying to target epic. I support Governor Abbott in doing that, rooting out the Muslim Brotherhood, targeting care,

which has active affiliation with the Holy Land Foundation. You know, remember the old unindicted co-conspirator, all of the people that are heavily involved with terrorist activities. I'm glad the president is targeting it as well. And I don't think any of that is inconsistent with our constitutional view. But as we enter Thanksgiving weekend, understand importantly, our Judeo-Christian heritage serves at the center of who we are as a country, and we have to remember that even as we protect the Constitution of the First Amendment, but we've got to remember to protect our culture at the same time. Trigonometry of podcasts hosted by, in part, Constantine Kissen, quoted recently a poll out of the

UK that showed 30% of Muslims in the UK support the implementation of Sharia law, highlighting the problems of mass migration and highlighting the problem of the coexistence between Islam and Western civilization. The invocation of the Constitution of the United States is because of as follows. We need to have the conversation about immigration. You've addressed it here. Who do you allow into the country? At what numbers? Is it consistent with the tenets of Western civilization? Let's presume for a moment we can get a majority of the American public to agree that much like throughout American history, we should maintain quotas and conduct. conversations about who, what, where is consistent with the values of America.

Then there is, what do you do about the people already in America? Now, if you're creating a development, perhaps, perhaps like Epic, that is exclusionary, that does exclude people on the basis of religion or ethnicity, that's inconsistent with the United States Constitution. It seems like a pretty easy, open and shut case for you as Attorney General and for ultimately perhaps the Supreme Court of the United States. If you are implementing Sharia law in neighborhoods, an extrajudicial form of law for certain communities,

I think that also would be, if not easy, a very winnable case as Attorney General or ultimately at the Supreme Court. But I do wonder, does the First Amendment of the United States not protect these communities from gathering, from living to, together, from creating a way of life, from opening a mosque, and the very thing of which we value is the thing that ultimately protects them from creating a community, an intra-civilization, that, yes, very well, as played out in various experiments from France to the UK to

Dearborn, Michigan, is inconsistent with the values of Western civilization. Well, these are all important questions, and you noted the immigration question. earlier and I won't dwell on that too much because you're asking a specific question about the law. But on the immigration side, remember how important it is for us to implement that immediately. I mean, that's why I've called on the Paws Act, pause immigration while we sort this out. That's why I've introduced legislation to deal with vetting people for their adherence to Sharia law. And by the way, let's remember that in the 1920s, America basically pushed pause on immigration so that we could deal with assimilation, right? And by the way, that was assimilation of cultures

that were much more similar, right? European folks that had moved in the late 1800s, early 1900s. You'd have German populations, Polish populations, Irish populations, all these different populations, but largely wanted to assimilate, wanted to embrace the American culture. We have now had a mass migration of people who are not assimilating, not just Somalis, not just Elon Omar, but even folks from Guatemala, the Northern Triangle and people that have come in waving flags that are, you know, trying to, you know, hush the home country. to which I say then go back to the home country.

When you come to the United States, you embrace Western civilization, embrace our values, embrace our Constitution. But let's remember the Constitution is under attack. A different issue, but related. The United Kingdom is considering jettisoning jury trials. I don't know if you saw that same story, but I saw that recently the last couple days.

And if that's being considered, you can see the attack on Western civilization. And these things, as you said in the intro to this, are all related. Importing people who do not share our values, you end up destroying the very Western civilization that attracts people to want to come here. A lot of the people coming here are coming here to change it. So as attorney general, yes, use every law at our disposal to prevent that from happening. And look, let's be clear. You know, you and I could have had a debate 20 years ago in law school and likely did, frankly, with our colleagues, our peers, I should say, in school,

about, all right, how much should the First Amendment be applied to, say, allow Texas to have Christian teaching in their schools? Like, that was a debate, right, over our society. For a long time, you had prayer in schools, you can embrace Christian and Judeo-Christian principles and in your schools, because that was your communities. And that was not believed to interfere with the First Amendment. Well, then the court came along and said, no, no, no, you can't do that. Well, so my point will be like, well, which is it? Right? And if you're going to go create communities like this where suddenly you can advance Sharia law, but yet we're being told we can't even hang the Ten Commandments, which I believe you can, by the way, then that's a problem. And we're going to have to kind of work through those issues. But I'm going to defend our Judeo-Christian heritage, our culture. I'm going to defend the rights of Texans to be able to figure out how to develop their communities across the state of Texas under the law, under the Constitution and not allow these politically motivated communities to be developed at the, I think, undermining of Texas. Texas values in Western civilization.

Okay, I want to dig one step deeper on this topic in just one moment, but I want to do exactly what you said that you're going to avoid, which is to dwell a moment on immigration. So you have introduced the Paws Act. The Paws Act would stop all immigration, legal and illegal immigration, and a little bit of a Trumpian style until we can get our hands on this thing, until we can figure out what's going on, which, you know, I don't think should be laughed at or dismissed. I think just sometimes it's a little bit funny as a, as a legal finish line. So when we figure out what's going on is when we'll restart immigration.

But that being said, the spirit of it is, I think, right. I think that we need to have a big national debate. I think we need to sit down. We need to have a referendum. We have a national vote on what it is we want to be going forward. just how we're going to handle illegal immigration, but how we're going to handle deportation and how we're going to handle legal immigration. So agreed. Now, I want to say two things. One, yes, it was a little bit maybe Trumpian in style

in the sense that it's an Overton window shifting piece of legislation. It's to make everybody think, wait, why do we just say everybody has to be able to come in? Why don't we pause it for one year, two years, five years, 20 years? How many people have we admitted? I'll tell you, We have 51.5 million foreign-born people, and it's about 16% of our population. That's the highest it's ever been. So maybe we should just pause for a second and make sure we understand who we are as Americans before we're inviting more people to come here. That's what I think the principle is, and I think that's an important Overton window shift.

But I was very specific in the bill. I said, look, let's pause it until, until we have addressed a number of issues, until we've addressed this issue of people adherent to Sharia law, until we've addressed things like birthright citizenship, until we've addressed things like, you know, visa overstays or H-1Bs and whether H-1Bs are being abused, diversity visas and chain migration, where families come here and then they invite their cousins

and third cousins and their spouses. Let's fix the system. And I put five or six things. They're not exhaustive, but what it's meant to do is say, do stop immigration, stop legal immigration, except for temporary tourist visas, until we've solved these major problems. And I think that matters, including, by the way,

and you'll remember this, the Texas case, Plyler B. Doe, right? Serca 19, what, 82 or 3, that said, we must educate the children of illegal immigrants, i.e. illegal children. And I don't believe that that's actually the law. I think that was judicial activism by the court in the 1980s, and I think we ought to revisit it like we revisited Roe. We need to reclaim our ability to run our own schools in our state.

Great, great, great conversation here. So let's continue it with Congressman Chip Roy on Wilcane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow starting November 30th on Fox Newspodcasts.com. You know, Congressman, this weekend, I went hunting in East Texas, and I was sitting around the campfire talking to a guy who used to be a superintendent in a,

very small district in East Texas. He was telling me they had 26 different languages spoken in that school district. That school district centered around a county seat of about 5,000 people. So that's pretty shocking. 26 languages in a town of 5,000. In rural East Texas. Rural East Texas. Very rural East Texas. With some industry, with some industry to attract illegal immigration. But, you know, I asked him what percentage of your population. We talked about the change, by the way. It's not, this is an observational fact. This isn't a value judgment. But, you know, you would have talked about 20, 30 years ago, 70% white population, now about a 40%, 30% white population. Latino black population has remained the same, somewhere between 15 and 20%. And of course, the Latino population has exploded. I said, what percentage do you think are illegal immigrants? Well, he said, the children are not illegal because of a birthright citizenship, as you talked to.

about. But the parents, the parents, what are we talking about? Over 50 percent. And because of Plyler v. Doe, they're in the school system, no questions asked. Well, and this is part of the problem, right? I mean, we have both those who come here illegally as children, and they're also required to be educated. We have the birthright citizenship problem, which, by the way, the Constitution does not say that. There was one opinion that was, frankly, I think, not even a good opinion and what was it, Wong Van Ark or whatever it was, Wong Kim Ark in 1890s. But I don't even think that that's a whole other conversation we won't wormhole into, but birthright citizenship is something we can and should decide.

I believe it should be if you're the child of an American citizen, you're a citizen, and otherwise you've got to naturalize. I think that's a responsible way to deal with our country in, you know, in 2025, no longer where we were in the 19th century. So we're dealing with all of the implications of that in, real time in Texas. So I'm glad that the president and Tom Homan and Stephen Miller and Christy Noem have stopped this ridiculous flow at the border and lowered the amount of fentanyl pouring into our communities and pushing back on the cartels. That's awesome. And we should applaud it

and we shouldn't forget how important it is that we have an administration doing it. But let's also remember Texas, we have miles to go. Our communities are still dealing with all the issues. We're dealing with schools. We're dealing with jails. We're dealing with people who are still committing crimes. You know, you saw this. It wasn't in Texas, but you saw that woman who was lit on fire. You have all these things going on where people are, you know, criminals or illegal aliens or people that are on our streets. We've got to fix that. And that's ultimately why I'm running for Attorney General. So let me ask you about this. Just building upon it, we're not going to warm her birthright citizenship, but it is tied to, I think, a bigger question here. So I had a

debate, friendly conversation, but an exchange of ideas that I think was fairly characterized as a debate yesterday with Congresswoman Maria Salazar, who has introduced to Dignity Act. Her position is, first of all, on the schooling thing, she said, if they're American citizens, they have to be schooled and accepted into the schools. And by virtue of birthright citizenship, even if you're the child of an illegal immigrant, born here in America, then you're an American citizen and you will be in the schools. But the conversation was largely, Congressman, about not the bad hombres, not the worst of the worst, and not the picture painted by the left of American citizens.

since being deported. But the real meat of the issue, which is the illegal immigrants in this country, who may or may not be good people or bad people, who are working in the shadows, who you and I both know are committing other crimes than simply illegal immigration. They are committing identity threat, almost invariably in order to pay taxes. They've bought a fake or stolen social security number and so forth. So there are other crimes, but what to do with them. Now, currently the Trump administration is trying to deport them, right? Salazar says impossible. It's just logistically impossible. So her thing is, I want to introduce this bill, which I'm sure you're familiar with, and just for the audience's edification, it's like, if you've been here more than five

years, so it doesn't qualify for anybody who's here basically since Joe Biden became president, if you've been here more than five years, you pay $7,000 in restitution over a seven-year period, you never become a legal citizen, you never get any benefits like Medicaid, you pay taxes, then you can become a lawful permanent resident and work in America. And her argument to me is twofold, Congressman, and I want to hear your rebuttal or response. Maybe you agree. Is logistically it's impossible to deport, A, and B, it would crush the economy on a labor force that is needed if you were successful in deporting.

So what do you say, Chip? Well, here's what I would say. This is nothing new. This conversation has been being had for decades, but particularly over the last two and a half decades. I was a part of the debates as a lawyer and the Senate Judiciary Committee during the Bush years when we were talking about

these issues in 2007 and eight. I was a part of these conversation in 2012 with the infamous gang of eight, and I was working as Senator Cruz's chief of staff. I was a candidate for Congress in 2018 when you will remember Goodlat one and Goodlat 2 and all of the fight over those issues, there is nothing new under the sun. And with all due respect to Maria, and I'm familiar with what she's trying to do with the Dignity Act,

this is not new, and we shouldn't approach it as new. And in fact, Republicans have finally broken the back of the normal losing model in Washington, where we get hung up in, quote, comprehensive immigration reform and don't do our job to secure the border. we broke the back of that obviously by President Trump winning and getting Tom home and Miller and Christy Dome and everybody in ICE and Border Patrol doing their job and so now we're deporting people and guess what we've actually stopped the plow and we're actually removing people they say you can't yes we can I'm very well aware of prosecutorial discretion as you know I'm a former federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's Office and you know what DHS has to make their own decisions of prosecutorial discretion and I think you do that Right? You target as the administration has said, as Tom Homan has said. You do target the most dangerous. You do target where the gangs are active. You do target Trend de Aragua. You do go after everybody that you think is the primary focus. But in the process of doing that, you're going to run across more sympathetic figures. I get it. And you know what? I've said publicly, you know, as a Christian, as somebody who wants to treat people humanely and fairly, these are complex questions. But at the end of the day, when you violate the law and you know it and you come here and they all do they all know they're violating the law they all know that when they're using a social security number to get some paperwork even if it's our fault as a broken country that has not had a immigration system that where we've been clear about enforcing the law

and people come here that's still breaking the law that's still taking somebody's social security number you're still using fraudulent papers you're still here illegally and so those people have to be removed or your message to the world otherwise is don't worry about it come here break our laws and one day we'll give in like the 1986 amnesty under president reagan look i said it before we have 51.5 million foreign born people our country cannot continue to do this and sustain as a sovereign nation and with all due respect to maria we're doing a good job by focusing on security by removing predominantly bad actors and anybody who's here illegally that gets caught up and the last point i'll make We passed H.R. 2 in the last Congress. We have not yet passed that this Congress. I think that's a mistake. I think we need to make very clear, as we did then, two years ago, that we are serious about security. We're going to end asylum abuses and parole abuses. We're going to end catch and release. We're going to codify that. Codify what Trump is doing. We're going to implement e-verify, and we're no longer going to be a country that doesn't defend the rule of law. That has to be our message. If it's anything other than that, as Ronald Reagan wrote,

one of his few regrets as president was that amnesty in 86, which opened the door for a mass flood of humanity to come to our country. Speaking of this, the SAVE Act, which passed the House back in the spring, passed on to the Senate, which would require proof of American citizenship for voting. And it looks like, you know, one of the main focuses is to plug up these backdoor channels from a lot of blue states that allow, you know, basically illegals are people who cannot prove their citizenship to vote in local elections and then move on, possibly registering them for federal elections. What's the update on the SAVE Act? Well, we passed to say, well, so taking a step

back, I introduced the SAVE Act a year and a half ago, working closely with Cleeta Mitchell, whom you probably know, who's one of the best election lawyers in the country, dear friend of mine, who's, by the way, endorsed me for AG. I'll throw that in there. And Clea is a good friend, and we worked hard to build this piece of legislation as a targeted matter, to be clear to everybody listening. It doesn't solve every aspect of the abuse of our election system that we need to solve. We need to deal with mail-in ballots. We need to deal with trying to have same-day voting. We need to deal with, you know, all of those issues. But I have paper ballots or not. But this bill simply says that only American citizens should vote. So when you register, you should have to

demonstrate your citizenship. And it has ways for states to manage the complexities of that. It's pretty straightforward. Take your passport or real ID and paperwork to prove it up whenever you next have a change in status. You get married or you move or whatever. And it's not complicated. And we have to do that for so many different aspects of life. So we passed that bill out of the House last summer in the middle of the election. The Senate failed to pass it because Chuck Schumer rallied Democrats in opposition. We then repassed the Save Act earlier this year. And again, the Senate has not moved it because Chuck Schumer said that they'll kill it. I suspect John Thumel will force a vote on it at some point. But this is common sense stuff. And we ought to be

trumpeting it and forcing Democrats to have to own that they are against making clear that only American citizens should vote in American elections. And then we should go further and do more changes, like limiting or restricting mail-in ballots to true absentee ballots like you and I remember when we first started voting when we're younger, where you had to be a military person or prove you're traveling and actually go, you know, yourself, go proactively get an absentee ballot, not these mail-in ballots that are ripe for fraud, frankly on both sides of the aisle, although I think predominantly on the left. So that's the status.

We need to move it. We need to go further. The president is right. We ought to force the Senate to vote on it. And by the way, this raises questions about what we should do with filibuster reform. Republicans ought to get serious about an agenda. And if we're going to do something with a filibuster, do it to actually transform the country so that doing some filibuster reform would be worth it. Health care reform, election integrity.

Are you in on that? Say that again, Will. Are you in on that? you in on, at least in part, it sounds like, doing away with the filibuster? Yeah, only if we're going to use it to go advance a real agenda, right? That's the only way it'll be worth it. Democrats are going to blow up the filibuster for legislative purposes. Again, for your listeners, they've already blown it up for the judicial process, as you know. For the legislative stuff, we still operate under a 60-vote threshold,

which, by the way, is arbitrary. The Senate sets its rules. I'm a cooling saucer guy. I like that the Senate can only move so many things, right? As a rule, I like that it's hard for them to pass stop. But the problem is we have so many issues we've got to address. And so for me, if Republicans put forward an agenda and we were legitimately going to pass a health care freedom bill, and I can get into the weeds on that if you want, or legitimately do election integrity, or legitimately move forward with reforms to the judiciary in terms of injunction reforms and other things, nationwide injunctions and such, if we were going to codify HR2 and all what Trump's doing at the border, if we were going to do some real reforms for housing affordability,

and ownership by banning BlackRock and foreign nationals from owning up single family residences and do things that would truly excite Americans, then yes, I would say it's worth it to transform the filibuster and say, look, you've got to have a speaking filibuster, actually take the floor of the Senate, or we're going to be able to vote something off with 51 votes and then move an agenda the American people be proud of. But if we're just going to dilly-dally and pass socialism resolutions, then no, we shouldn't blow the filibuster. We should try to contain it. But I'm more in favor of an aggressive agenda and use 51 votes to move it. But you got to do it. And we're running out of

time. All right. Go shoot things up. Enjoy your drive out. Sounds like you're going a little east of Austin. Enjoy Texas, Texas, A&M. I have loaded up a little little ammo. I got the ammo and what I need right back there. So I see it. I see it. Yeah. All right. What are you driving? A Subaru? Yeah, clearly. A Subaru. It's a F-150. Forrester? Oh, okay, F-150. All right.

Congressman, Attorney General candidate, Chip Roy, happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving, man. You have a blessed one with your family. All right, I got a road trip, too. I'm going to finally take you up on your suggestion to listen to William Beckman. I'll do that today.

William Beckman at the suggestion of Congressman Chip Roy. By the way, got some suggestions from you folks as well. The poll question up. uh from tin foil pat two a day's dan is the best and worst thanksgiving foods and let's see laura lee robertson says sides yeah the best okay the best and worst thanksgiving sides what is this i don't know this guys pro corn no no no he pro corn patrick put out a uh put out a poll if you're pro corn or anti corn on thanksgiving is that person saying they're pro corn i'm pro corn yeah who's anti corn i don't know that's anti-s stuffing and candy yams yeah

um is this best and worst guys like are you just ask them their best like anne brightrick says cranberry sauce and green bean casserole so i like her her top and her bottom so the question is what's your favorite thanksgiving side dish i did mashed potatoes stuffing sweet potatoes yams or green bean casserole yeah stuffing's leading the yeah i like what michael knight says not stuffing in the south it's cornbread dressing topped with turkey gravy there is no comparison. All right, we'll get into that. I've got an answer for you. I've got an answer for you. Plus, I've got Michael Chandler,

who's looking to beat Connor McGregor's ass on the White House lawn. But first, he's going to wrestle this weekend. And we got Vince August. Did you know that Thanksgiving is now a day of morning? I'm dead serious. You got to hear this, and it makes my blood boil. I'm not looking to be angry on Thanksgiving, but I'm just saying

they might have an open immigration policy in Maritania. Find your way back for Thanksgiving. Coming up on Wilcane Country. So Thanksgiving is a day of morning. That's what I discovered this morning on our pre-show call. And it really, really, really made me mad. Did the Romans walk around moping about how much they dominated the earth?

Was there a contingent of Romans or like, guys, we really suck. We shouldn't be so dominant. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel. Also, the Wilcane Facebook page. That's another place you can gather, form the Willisha. Jump into the comments. We'll bring you right here into Wilcane Country.

Like Michael Chandler, who's fighting Chad Mindy's at Real American Wrestling's RAF-O-3 on Saturday on Fox Nation. He's a three-time Bellator world lightweight champion, UFC lightweight contender. Also going to be fighting on the White House lawn. I spoke to him yesterday. on the Will Kane show. What's up, Michael? What's up? Well, I'm living the dream, man.

How are you? We're almost in a day of morning, it sounds. I need you to explain that to me, I guess, this new Thanksgiving tradition of morning. Yeah. So I guess it's legit. Ten-foot pat, two days, Dan. I might need you to give me the details on the story, but it is an increasing trend. One of my producers, by the way, Michael, lives in New York.

He brunches in Brooklyn. You know the crowd. You know what I'm talking about. And he said legit, it is a thing among his social cohort that they're like, yeah, let's take the day to mourn. And I don't know, what are we mourning? I think they're mourning the Indians. I think they're mourning what was before America. Isn't that right, Dan?

Isn't that what this funeral? Yeah, have some liberal friends, and they're mourning, instead of celebrating what became America, they're mourning what happened to the Native Americans. And they hate what we did. So, you know, that's what they see. Tough spot, man. What do you say, Michael? I say it's a bunch of hogwash, and I'm going to enjoy my Thanksgiving and with a bunch of Americans. Hey, Michael, where'd you go to school?

Wrestling champion, NCAA champion. Hold on. I'm sorry I don't know the bio, so I don't know exactly where you went to school, but I'm going to guess, okay? I'm going to guess. So don't tell me. I didn't hear you. I didn't hear you just now. We were talking at the same time, so I don't know if the audience heard.

But if I'm going wrestling, these are my options, I feel like. Oklahoma State, Penn State, got to be Iowa. Iowa's got to be up there. Something just very Midwest, somewhere between, basically if I draw a geographic line from Oklahoma State to Penn State, you're somewhere in between there geographically. And then flyover states like Jason Aldine wrote a song about. No, I'm from Missouri, so I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, wrestled in high school there. I didn't get any college scholarships whatsoever, so I walked on to the University of Missouri, the Missouri, the Missou Wrestling Tigers, right at the time that they started becoming a pretty good

national powerhouse. We were ranked like top 10 every year now, but as you said, Iowa, Oklahoma State, Penn State, those guys are absolutely crushing it. And we were in the Big 12 back in the day, so we wrestled Oklahoma State dozens of times. So, yeah, geographically, I would think wrestling is a pretty big culture, like in Missouri high school? It's honestly, I live in Texas, I'm from Texas, and it's here now, but it wasn't really growing up. It's just you cross the Red River, and for some reason it kind of is in Oklahoma. Was it growing up in Missouri?

Missouri was a decent state. Yeah, as you said, Texas never was a great wrestling powerhouse, not because I think it was more of a cultural thing. It's like, hey, would you rather grind on the wrestling mats nonstop for zero recognition or jump on the gridiron and be treated like a god in, you know, in Texas football? So that was probably part of it for the lack of wrestling in Texas. But the sport of wrestling in and of itself has grown exponentially. And that's why like what you alluded to earlier, what we're doing with RAF this weekend is it's a bunch of, you know, myself and Chad Mendes, both of us fought for UFC world titles, big names in combat sports, but started our career. careers as college wrestlers. And there's also a bunch of other big names, both current international wrestlers, as well as some other fighters as well. So just the sport of wrestling,

you know, with the emergence of social media and young kids getting access to watching and seeing matches and seeing professional athletes at a very young age, the sport of wrestling is growing a lot and growing exponentially. And of course, the NIL, you know, the newness of the NIL deals over the last couple of years have helped as well. But the sport of wrestling is growing. It's still a, we're still a struggling sport in a lot of ways compared to the big four. What's the difference between freestyle and then I presume what you did at the NCAA level? Great, great question. So, I mean, I think the best way to describe it is freestyle international, you know, internationally, if you're wrestling in Olympics, that's international wrestling.

It is freestyle in Greco-Roman. It's more about throws and turns. You're going to get a take down and try to turn a guy, expose his back. If you expose his back, even for a split second, it's two points. Whereas the college wrestling was more about takedown control, and you can get back points, but you've got to hold a guy for three, four, five seconds. But shows like RAF and even college wrestling,

the way that they've changed and manipulated the rules a little bit, it lends itself more toward a scoring system that rewards excitement. So we're trying to build the sport in that way by making it more exciting because it's not the most exciting. sport to a lot of people mainly because like yourself you don't really understand it which is completely fine my wife doesn't understand wrestling my boys don't understand wrestling but they're going to they're going to come watch me in chicago this weekend and watch their dad compete that's awesome and by way it will be on fox nation um when ufc you know i've been a casual

ufc fan in and out really over a long period of time now and i you know i feel like i saw it And I'm going to be a total idiot on this, Mike. I mean, like, this is a cracker jackbox level of knowledge. But it went through iterations of what was working. Like, there was the big Brazilian jiu-jitsu wave. Then there feels like there was a striker wave. And I don't know if we're in this moment right now, but I feel like within the last five years or so,

we've been this moment where wrestling became the preeminent skill, where wrestlers, college wrestlers, were winning titles. We're going to the top. And I know it's truly a mixed martial arts at this point, so you've got to be able to do it all. But I guess I feel like I'm seeing more wrestling as your base than I used to. Yep.

And I think that's always been the case. There just hasn't been a ton of wrestlers that have transitioned over. And truly, if we're being honest about the real nuts and bolts about why wrestlers are successful in mixed martial arts, it's not even about being able to pick a guy up and put them down. or body control or strength. If you lived through the college wrestling environment for five years, you have calloused your mind and calloused your heart to the hard work that it takes and being okay with being down in the suck,

being okay with giving up meals and the cutting of the weights and all of the different obligations and the juggling of your emotional standing with your physical standing and getting through pain and all of the different extrinsic things that you learn through the mix. martial arts that's because mixed martial arts are through wrestling because mixed martial arts can be so extrinsic right it's the bright lights and the big platform and we're talking about fighting at the white house and all these big big things but really when you boil it all down it's all just about the hard work and wrestlers know how to work harder than anybody else their threshold

for hard work is so much higher than the average athlete so i think that's why you've seen it and obviously i'm i'm a i'm a wrestling uh homer man i will always root for the wrestler So I did a story when I spent five years at ESPN, Michael, and I did a story on weight cutting, and it was largely around, it was largely around MMA, not just UFC, it was a lot of them. And, and, I mean, that's the first I learned about it, really, that I didn't know much about cutting before that. And by the way, are you going to cut for this, do you need to cut for this weekend? No, not much. Not much, luckily. freestyle yeah good good question so i actually that was one of my stipulations number one i wasn't

going to be away from my family on thanksgiving so i get to do a virtual way in and i think i have a i'm a pretty trustworthy guy so i mean my reputation is like well if chanler says he's going to make weight and he's going to send in the video he's going to make weight and do it right uh but we're but i also said i want to do a 175 because i don't want to cut much weight i fight at 155 that takes a solid 12 week training camp to get down diet and then cut weight at the end um and i just didn't feel like doing that for this. I want to go out there and compete at 175. So not too much weight, but I'm currently going through a weight cut. I got a nice workout in this morning, lost about six pounds, seven pounds, and we're on our way to 175. So you're cutting 20 and 12 weeks. How much

of that is in the last, what, three, four days? How much of that is the water weight cutting that I know so many guys do in that really short period of time? It's a good question. So it's actually uh i go from 190 to 155 so that's uh 35 pounds um now granted you know as soon as i get into a training camp clean up my diet cut out all the stuff that's not great for me and i'm doing two works out two workouts a day three workouts a day my body comes down and and kind of settles at 177 180 so i am cutting about that last 20 20 to 25 um just by smaller you know smaller meals living at a calorie deficit, meaning the amount of calories that I eat, I'm actually burning more calories than I eat every single day. It's the most unenjoyable part of the sport for sure, but it's kind

of a necessary. What about sweating it out? Are you doing the hot tubs and the sweatsuits and going for jogs wearing the suit? You're doing all that as well? Yeah. So at the end, probably the last 48 hours is when we're, you know, we kind of do a water load. I'll actually load my body up with water, kind of trick it into thinking it's really, really hydrated. So it's trying to purge all the water. And then as it purges it all out, I drink about 12, 16 to 32 ounces of water that last 24 hours. And then all of a sudden, my body realizes before it's dehydrated, it's now become dehydrated a little bit. And then we're still, we're still bringing in electrolytes. We're still, we've gotten it down to a science. And honestly, the UFCPI, which is the

Performance Institute, they help us out a lot with our weight cuts. At least I have a guy, a personal guy who is at my training sessions and helping me manipulate the water. add in electrolytes making sure we're doing it as safely as possible because my body doesn't want to be in the 150s it does not want to be in the 160s it's barely happy in the 170s it's it's happiest in the 180s so um but life is all life is a series of trade off that note that's one of the reasons i ask you like how do you feel it's so wild to me that guys do that and then turn around within really what is it from way in to fight isn't it like 24 hours so so you turn around And you put, okay, 36, and you put a lot of weight back on in that 36 hours, a lot of it, hydration weight.

But what does that feel like? Like, everybody knows what it feels like to be a little dehydrated. You get a headache. You feel low energy. You feel terrible, man. You've got to feel your mood. What's your mood like when you're going through that? Ignorance is bliss.

You just ignore it. And if you ignore it and you know it's something that you have to do, life is defined. a man or a woman is defined by doing the things that you need to do and not the things that you want to do we all know what we want to do on a daily basis um wrestlers especially have just gotten really good at focusing on the standard setting a standard and holding the standard um but yeah you don't feel good if i had if i really had a bead on the inner monologue of my of my body that of how it actually feels rather than letting my mind take control and just gritting through it yeah i'm in a pretty tough spot. I'm not happy for weeks on end, which is, which is why I don't like to be around

my wife and my kids, because, you know, you got to go to a different place, kind of. You're a different person. You know, I am not the father that my children deserve or the husband that my wife deserves whenever I'm in that state. So kind of keep them separated completely. And then once I get back hydrated and get food back in me and go do the fight, then I can reintroduce myself back to the family. wild to me, and we got to move on, we will move on, but it's so wild to me that then you're supposedly at peak condition 36 hours later. So you go from this horrible physical state, and I'm sure you're not peak. You can't come back to full. So it's kind of wild. You're actually

not competing at peak, I would assume. You can't get back there in 36 hours. Yeah, I would assume as well. I actually just had this conversation with some guys I'm training with right now, just wondering, wondering who I am or what I would compete like had I never. caught, never cut weight, you know, and every weight cut is different. Mine are probably more consistent than most people. You know, if you did that study or that story back in the, back in the day, the biggest problem is we lack discipline as a society. And I think so many people think they can just crash diet it at the very end, crash dehydrated at the very end. And that's where you really see your body suffer. I've done it as, as disciplined and as arduous as possible

in order to be the best version of myself on Fight Night for all these years. But there's no, there's no telling where I would actually be or how well I would actually compete and not cutting any weight at all. Yesterday on the Will Kane show, we were talking about you wrestling on the White House lawn. We played a clip from Dana White talking about that the fighters are going to emerge from the Oval Office, which is awesome. And he and you, he on a clip and you live with me yesterday, he said it's literally a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

But then you said something interesting. He said, until Elon puts an octagon on Mars. And I got to think of that's really fascinating. I mean, I don't know if that might happen in our lifetime. I don't know if it will happen during your playing or your fighting career. I mean, I have about a dozen buddies that would be listening to this right now going, well, why don't we go ahead and do it on the moon if we've already been to the moon? You know, they'd be calling nonsense on the moon thing.

And I want to interview Elon and be like, hey, why don't you just prove all these guys wrong? and just do the moon first. Before you go to Mars, just stop at the moon, show everybody that we can and that we did, maybe throw up an octagon. Yeah. Well, yeah, I like to, you know, because obviously when you're talking about a fight,

you never, I mean, selling a fight at the White House doesn't need any fluff, doesn't need any extra promotion. We're fighting on the White House lawn. I mean, it will never get bigger than that. And then you start thinking, well, what could be bigger than it?

So I always just throw in the, you know, until Elon gets to Mars, and we're able to put an octagon there. It just shows how that is so unbelievable for us to go fight in Mars. But if you would have asked us two years ago that we would be fighting on the White House lawn, we also, every single one of us would have said, that's impossible. That will never happen. So, you know, expect the unexpected, just in life in general, but also in this sport.

Dana White, what he has done since 1993, since he took over the UFC, now 30-something years, has just continued to push the envelope, continued to break barriers, what we did during COVID, one of the big emergencies of the UFC and the big growth of the UFC was during, during COVID, when every sport shut down, Dana found a way, secured an island and Yaz Island and Abu Dhabi and did all the, you know, I fought there once, went there twice, weighed in once, fought there one time. People in hazmat suits, COVID tests two, three times a day. They found a way to keep the sport going. He found a way to keep his staff paid. He found a way to not furlough and lay off anybody.

So it doesn't surprise me when you got Donald Trump and Dana White getting their heads together. There's not surprising that we're going to be at the White House. But here we are a couple months away, hopefully, and I think June they said. So we'll see. All right. So that's next summer. But this weekend, you can tune into Fox Nation. It's on Saturday.

It's Real American Wrestling. It's freestyle wrestling. And Michael will be taking on Chad Mindy's. We really appreciate the conversation. Michael, it's good to hang out with you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, man.

Appreciate you well. Have a good one. All right. Root for Mike this weekend. I don't know, Chad, but now I've talked to Michael twice, so we'll be rooting for Mike. Okay, let's take a quick break and come back with Vince August. And let's break down this. Thanksgiving is a day of morning. I think Vince is an Italian. So what special dish does he bring to Thanksgiving? Coming up on Will King Country. All right, for real. Thanksgiving is a day of morning for the left. It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel. The Wilcane Facebook page also follow us on Spotify and Apple. I was talking with Congressman Chip Roy. Congressman Chip Roy is a big fan of William Beckman. And I played him in the studio the other day over a game of Bumper Pool because he did this Mexican song. It's so good.

He's from Del Rio. And the Congressman's a big fan of William Beckman. It got me thinking real quick. Two of days, at the campfire on the squirrel hunt, this came up, and I found out I'm not alone. I very rarely, and I'm sorry, I don't know if this is sexist, but it just is true. I rarely listen to women singers. It just doesn't speak to me in the same way that a male singer does. I think it's about connection, right?

Is it somebody who's speaking for you? Do you know what I mean? And so, but that doesn't mean there aren't. women singers that I like um like I really like Leanne Womack she's a country singer she's great very good but I can say this for the first time in my life my favorite song the one I play on repeat right now is a female is a woman singer and she is incredible and at the campfire she was described as hypnotic um and do you know who see if you can guess two days who is it she's my number Lana Del Rey.

No. Ella Langley. I don't know who that is. Ella Langley is awesome. Oh my gosh. The song Chews in Texas, it's her hit out. It's really popular right now. And it is incredible.

And for the first time ever, it's like, no, I'd rather listen to Ella Langley right now than, I don't know. You're like Jody Messina? Cody Jenks. 90s? Heads Carolina. Heck yeah. Tails California. Heck yeah.

Yeah, I like a little Joe D. Messina. I like a little Vince August, too. Vince August is a comedian. He joins us often here, former judge on Will Cain Country. And we welcome now in Vince August. Happy Thanksgiving, Vince. Happy Thanksgiving, brother. I like the way you say Italian.

I feel like I'm being pulled over by an Alabama state trooper. What? You kidding me. Well, boy, you're from New Jersey. Are you Italian? Do you listen to women's singers? You're almost. my age. You don't remember the group

Heart? Are you kidding me? We had that poster on our wall Will. I don't care if you listen to them or not. I don't dislike women's singers. Like a little blondeie comes on. Yeah, to your point. Like, I like some of that stuff, right? It's just not like, I don't get into the car, open up Spotify

and be like, put on heart. I just don't go there. And I made a whole list of, playlist of my favorite country songs. And I think it had like three or four women on it. And I'm sorry. I love Reba McIntyre. She's great. Fancy's one of the greatest country songs ever. I'm a big country music guy, Vince. But this Ella Langley, man, she's rapidly rising the list. I could never tell you're a big country music guy, by the way you say Italian.

That's a shock to me. I got to be honest. That blew me away just now. here's the story it was probably 2012 Republican National Convention I'm doing a show for the blaze and we're doing an interview with the then governor of Texas Rick Perry and I remember vividly him saying Italian and it tickled me to death and I thought and he wasn't doing it for any reason not to be negative is because how Rick pronounced Italian and I ever since then I do it every once in a while intentionally because I just think it's fun money, Italian. Listen, well, as you can imagine, for Thanksgiving, you know, we do turkey parmesan, you know, we do spaghetti. We don't do anything American. It's all Italian. Come on.

You're looking at me right now like I'm serious. Just goes to show really how racist you are. You're telling me you don't bring any sausage and peppers, no, nothing. turkey parmesan by the way sounds amazing that was really that's what sold me i'm like do you do you do you do you do you do a turkey parmesan we assimilate are you kidding me what what do you mean we don't do anything italian for thanksgiving of course we do the traditional do you have do you have an italian flag on your front porch american flag too but do you have an italian flag in my office are you kidding me Yeah, there it is. How dare I wonder?

If, Vince, if Italy is playing America in the World Cup, who do you root for? Italy. See, don't you dare ever question. See, I'm on to something here. You're suspect. Why would you root for Italy over America? You went to nothing. There's a big difference between Italian soccer being part of

the culture and American soccer not being part of this culture growing up with that. It's not like I'm wiping my ass with the American flag. It's just that's their sport. Now, if they play each other in the world baseball classic, let's put it this way. I'm happy if either team wins. I'm not going to be brokenhearted if the Italians somehow manage to beat the Americans. And we know the only way that's going to happen. If Terry Roseira and some of those guys are involved in the game.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Unacceptable. It's unacceptable. Sorry. I got a lot of friends here in Texas who are of Mexican heritage. You cannot root for Mexico against the United States. Impermissible. Wrong. You don't get to. That's not. You know, I'm not sitting here telling you you can't be proud of your heritage, your ethnic background. I'm not saying that. Italian American parade in New York City. Get after it. Go. You know. But when it's comes to America versus, I don't root for the Welsh or the British or the Scots, whatever I am, some combination thereof. You have to go back 8,000 years to trace your family heritage. My parents were born. I don't even, I mean, you have to literally go. What was the anybody in your family line that didn't say Italian? My grandfather, my grandfather immigrated from Wales.

One of my grandfathers immigrated from Wales. You think I'm rooting for Wales over the year? U.S. and rugby? Again, rugby, you're talking about soccer is the culture of the sport and the country. It's intrinsically part of each other. Rugby, I mean, yeah, like I said, I told you baseball. Look, of course you root for America. Basketball, but not, no, not soccer.

That is our thing. It's always been our thing. Yeah, you're not breaking me on this, well. Yeah. Now listen. We're watching the Olympics. We're watching the Olympics. And an Italian guy is playing Bachi. And it's going up for the gold medal against an American. What is Bachi?

Is it two guys? Is it mono or is it a team of two? I don't even know with Bocci. It's curling on sand is what it is. Yeah, it's basically curling on sand. It's like or Cornhole. I picture it a little bit like, you know, cornhole. It's a little like that. But gold medal, the Italian team versus the American team, you are rooting for, I presume, the Italian team.

And Bachi, absolutely. That's our thing. Okay. Okay. So it's not just soccer. It's Bachi. Okay. Now, I've got another one for you. A war. A war between Italy and the United States.

Okay, a war between Italy and the United States. Which one are you rooting for? It doesn't matter. We're going to win because we're going to start off on the other side and then switch halfway through. So either way, we're winning. Have you studied history? Come on. We head drop bets, man.

I think I've won here, Vince. I think I've won this problem. This is an issue. The first half of the show was about assimilation. You have to take a train in a country and you want to get there faster. Are you taking an American train or an Italian train? One thing Mussolini did is he got those trains to work on time. Hey, let's say.

just clarify my position here. I don't think America is the best at everything. There are other cultures that do other things better, you know, maybe some food, maybe some trains, maybe whatever. But this is my country. And that's why I'll take the Italian train, but I'll talk about how much easier it is to drive my F-150 on the road. But what is your go-to favorite meal? okay my go-to favorite meal i got this it is it is going to be quintessentially american i for a couple years now i've been on a big brisket kick like i love a brisket more than steak um and i will and you may be in pushing me in this direction because you might have been seeing if i had any holes in my game here i will tell you mexican food was really high was really high but it's

false mexican is in the top five for me for sure like let's go go to a restaurant. Do you want to go Mexican? That might be top three for me. But it's not number one right now. It's probably risky. What are your top three? What are your top three foods? Since it's Thanksgiving, let's stick with the food thing. What are your top three types of food? By country. Types? Types? Like, yeah, ethnic food. Okay. Well, American, number one. What is American? What does that mean? What is that? McDonald's Chick-fil-A, what is America?

Vince, this is like the whole thing of denying the existence of American culture. It's just like that whole thing. Does a fish know he's swimming in water? He doesn't. You are swimming in American culture. It's surrounding you. And so therefore it's hard to identify. But it's here.

It's great. It's the best. When it comes to food, like if you say barbecue, that to me is American. Like if you're saying barbecue, that's American. Well, that is number one. Okay. Go ahead. Number two. But I would have specifics within barbecue, but fine. We'll just leave it at barbecue. Have you ever seen those videos when they take barbecue?

Have you ever seen those videos when they take little boys from the UK who've never had barbecue? And all they've ever eaten is that bland meat they do in the UK. And they think their tasteboats have exploded. You can't watch any videos having to do it little kids. You lost me at little kid. Okay. I look like every Amber Alert poster that exists. I'm not watching any videos with a little kid. God forbid to get safe to my computer. Come on. All right.

So I will go, so since you're doing this, I will go Mexican number two. And I will go, you're not going to like this because Italian didn't make the top three. But I'm just, I like Italian food. I don't do it often. I don't get that feeling like, oh, we should do Italian very often. Okay. But I'll tell you, which does make the rotation a lot. It made it a lot in New York.

And I found it here at good quality in Texas as well. is tie. Third, I'm going tie. Okay. Then in that case, you haven't had good Italian food yet. Next time you come to New York, I will take you out for Italian food. And by the end of the dinner, we're going shopping for an Italian soccer jersey. I guarantee it. I'm rooting for Napoli right now. I'm a big Napoli fan as we speak. They've got several of my favorite players playing there.

So they've moved from... But see what you just said there. So, like, growing up in Texas, there was no hockey. So who would, like, did you watch hockey when you were young, I'm sure? Not until the 90s when the stars moved to Dallas. And then I started rooting for hockey. So, for example, I grew up in Jersey. There was no hockey team that was really Jersey.

There was the Islanders, the Rangers. So you gravitated towards what was ever there that caught your eye. So my first ever game was Canadians Rangers. and I was a young kid and this was the Canadian team of the 70s and I'm like, wow, that team in red is amazing. You know, I didn't really know the game. I was six years old.

I had Madison Square Garden. I'm watching a hockey game. I gravitated towards the Canadians because there was no New Jersey Devils. They were to Colorado Rockies if they even existed. So I stayed a Canadian fan. Is that me giving a middle finger to the tri-state area?

No. It wasn't there. So soccer. No, no, yes. I mean, yes. You don't get, was your dad a Canadian fan? My dad was a tiny. He didn't even know what hockey was. Okay, so no. This is what I believe about sports.

This is what I believe. There was no soccer really. This ties into. Okay, okay. Listen, Vince, you've, unfortunately, you've run into an expert on this subject. Unfortunately, you've run into an expert on this subject. Fortunately, you've run into the world's foremost voice of authority on this subject, and they're tied together, the sports thing and the country loyalty thing. Go ahead.

That I believe, I believe this is how it works. You root for the teams that you are geographically tied to, where you were born and raised. If you are a child, if you're a child that moves around a lot, then it's going to need to be most likely the one in your most formative years when you started rooting for that sport. I lived in this town for five years when I started paying attention to X. But I didn't get a choice. It feels like a choice, but I didn't get a choice. And that's the way it should be. I am a Cowboys, Rangers, and Mavericks fan.

I am born and raised outside of Dallas by an hour. You should have a tri-state team without doubt. My producer, Dan, is like you. You don't get to just be a Packers fan growing up in Connecticut. You don't get to do that. That's not right. With one asterisk. The one asterisk is,

if your dad brainwashed you. If your dad was a transplant, like I was in New York for a long time, and I raised my boys, even though they grew up in New York for a long time, to be Cowboys, Mavericks, Rangers fans. That's the one asterisk. But by the way, that's intra-American, and this is pro-sports. Not national sports. All right.

And I'm going to tell you that could probably be one of the most insane things I've ever heard anyone say. That is absolutely crazy. but no how are you geographically tied to your team so if you live in say winnipeg and the jets move this is how we create community this is how we create community this is a simulation talk to your neighbors let me create community i walk across the street i meet my neighbor i have to create community that way and you know what happens when you go over there and you bring up the canadians you know what happens when you walk across the street see you i walk across the street in New Jersey. I'm a devil's fan. And we got something to talk about. How about the devils?

Oh, man, the devil's this, the devil's that. How about those devils? But you go over and you bring up the Canadians, and do you know what you get? Vacantize. Nothing. They got nothing to say. No hatred, no love, no nothing. And you've broken down the community. True hockey fans appreciate that. You're tied to the team has to be something that binds you to the team. So I grew up a Steelers fan because during the 70s, there wasn't these TV contracts where they shoved the local team down your throat. So who was on TV? It was the Steelers, the Cowboys, the Raiders, the Dolphins.

And I wanted to root for a team that actually looked like they had men on the team. So that ruled out the Cowboys. And I had to gravitate towards one of the teams that actually wore like manly uniforms. I took out the Dolphins. So it was the Raiders or the Steelers. So I went with Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, the way I became a pirate fan is I did a book report. Your argument is that you were a frontrunner, you were a frontrunner from an early childhood.

As a kid, 100%. But I stayed with those teams. See, because that's the other thing. Yeah. If, you know, if your team moves, relocates or you live in an area where there's nowhere to watch, you're going to watch the national team. like if like look at me now I'm a pirates fan how can I root for that team in good conscience knowing the owner doesn't care about the team I'm not going to financially invest they're

still my team but I'm going to watch baseball at this point and not be this diehard pirate I'm going to spend money on a team where the owner doesn't spend money on team that's insane see you're mistaking that your relationship is with the team they don't have a relationship with you and you don't have a relationship with them other than commerce. Your relationship is with the community. It's with everybody else around you. That's

why. That's why you're with the people you grew up with, with the people like you that live where you live, that like the things that you like. This is this is it. I think we're actually talking about assimilation here and not pro sports. I'm an Italian from New Jersey. As an Italian from

New Jersey, we can't assimilate in the community because eventually the FBI I will put us in a witness protection program and move us to a different community. So we can't necessarily be tied to our community the same way. All right, Vince August here with us on Will King Country. So Vince, maybe not totally unrelated to this conversation. This seems to be a real thing. I'm hearing it now in article form.

I'm also hearing it anecdotally that the left is treating Thanksgiving as a day of morning. That you need to take this day. You need to think about the terrible things that were done to American Indians. And I guess not celebrate the expansion and greatness of America. I think that's just doom scrolling. They love doing this. They love the doom. They love the sadness.

Let's crap on everything. It's, you know what, again, for a side that used to be about freedom and love and this, they've become about just everything. is sad and depressing, how about you just enjoy life? And what it's about is family getting together and figuring out a way to not kill each other over a course of five hours, okay? Because something's going to come up during the dinner that someone's going to have an argument about. And an Italian family, it's bound to happen because we speak at volume 10 just to start. Then by the end, End of the night, you have alcohol.

Now, somebody wants to play some type of family game, okay? Someone's going to pull out pictures. Yeah, and you're going to get stuck with someone who learn how to draw like Pablo Picasso, or you're going to get someone who thinks they're Bob Ross and the game goes on for 18 hours. There's 60 seconds. The sand is running. This is not a time to be Bob Ross and be perfect. Draw the picture.

By the way, I might be Italian. This is exactly what we do, right? By the way, I'm not taking a shot at you. I think I keep a game every year called, we play a game every year called Mafia. And you should play it. It's really, really, really fun. And it goes on forever. You're going to tell me to play a game called Mafia.

That's like me telling you, go play rodeo. You live it, okay? By the way, Vince, Thanksgiving, it might be number one, right? I mean, for me, it comes down to Fourth of July or Thanksgiving is the best holiday. For you, I presume San Gennaro Festival is probably number one. But then it's got to be high up there, right? So, right, you're so unbelievably racist. It's unbelievable.

In terms of holidays, I mean, I guess you've got to go with Christmas. I think Christmas there's... Really? Yeah, because there's... There's gift giving, so you get the pleasure of giving a gift, seeing someone open something that you got for them. And, you know, you get something back that you're probably going to return. And you have to learn acting skills there and put a smile on your face and say,

this is great. So you see, you avoid conflict, even where there is conflict. But no, Christmas is up there. Yeah, Fourth of July is always. The problem with Christmas, besides the religious. Besides the religious significance, of course, which is the problem with Christmas is the pressure. It's the pressure. It's the financial pressure.

It's the gift-giving pressure. It's the expectation pressure. And Thanksgiving just feels really decompressed. You make it pressure. I'm cheap. Let me tell you something. I do an accounting as I'm going through the mall and shopping for people. And you ever see that there's the bottle of perfume and then there's like the big bottle of perfume.

My mind does this thing. and I remember everything that that person did to me this year. And sure enough, that's how I make the decision on how much to spend. Yeah. No, I go, yeah, I have a complete roller decks file cabinet on what everyone did. And trust me, you're getting your gift based on how good of a person you were. I'm like Santa Claus on acid. I have more than a naughty and nice list.

I literally have a grade next to your name. I can't wait to see my grade in what I get from you after this conversation. Oh, let me tell you. It's definitely going to be something Italian. Hey, I do think, first of all, back to this story really quickly, it burns me up. It really makes me mad that there's people that think this is about. It's a stupid thing, yeah. When it came, I know, but I'm not capable at this point of just dismissing the stupidity.

Like when it came up on the call this morning, I'm like, just leave. At some point, just leave. If you hate this so much, if it's so bad. Like, maybe you really should at this point. Just go. Just go. Maybe somebody has an open border policy. I don't know.

Maritania. Go. Just go. But then I got to thinking, Vince, like, I got to thinking, do you think the Romans, speaking of Italians? Do you think the Romans had like a contingent to Romans that were like, we really, guys, what, you know, our history with the Huns, it really is something we should revisit. And we should think about whether or not we're the good guys. and we should, you know, not celebrate these Roman holidays. And there was like a whole contingent of people that talked about the horrific nature of the Roman Empire.

Like, did this happen? Did the Brits? The Brits might have done it. Did every world power have a segment of people within that world power going, we're actually the bad guys? Well, other than the Germans in the middle of the 20th century. I will tell you this, being serious for a minute. Now, my parents migrated here from Italy. My first language in the house was Italian.

I learned English in school because we spoke Italian in the house. But my father's rule was we speak Italian in the house. You speak English outside this house to honor the country that we live in. And my father at the time, don't forget, these things didn't exist. He walked around with a little Italian-American diction. and my mom learned the language by watching TV. Outside the house, you showed the respect to the country that you live in and you show the respect to the people and the culture that you live in.

Now, inside the house, different. We spoke Italian again. We would watch the Italian channel that was, you know, back then you had to have the UHF channel and you would find it on Sundays and you would watch the Italian soccer. But even when it came to the holidays, you know, four. of july we absolutely celebrated and we started this with thanksgiving and i made a joke about it but we ate turkey stuffing everything that was american because you should assimilate to the country that you're in while still having your ties and roots to your own nationality

that's there should be a balance between those two things and you're right well if you can if you come to this country trying to turn it into the country you'll left well why did you leave you left there for a reason and if you say well this country gave us more opportunity well yeah and that respect shouldn't just amount to well i pay taxes here no there has to be some loyalty beyond just the payment of taxes right right which by the way is compulsory it's not as though this great act of you know of all the sports And we talked about sports, and we started off talking about of all the sports memorabilia I have in my office. And it's, you know, I have autographed stuff from everything.

I'm going to turn the computer around real quick. I don't know if you can see it. But that's the 1980 gold medal team signed. You know, Herb Brooks signature is on there. Yeah. And I tell people as a kid, I think that was the first time I cried watching an athletic event. because of what was happening in the world at the time and just how it made you feel.

And I think we've kind of lost that as a nation. You know, 9-11, I could see the smoke from my house. You know, when the Yankees in, I'm not a Yankee fan. When the Yankees first took the field, when the Mets played their first game, I got emotional because of my ties to America. of and I think if you don't feel that or look maybe you don't have to get to that point of that emotion but if you're feeling the opposite of that then you have to take inventory of yourself and maybe you shouldn't be here it's like being in a bad relationship you know what do you

stay in it for what are you staying in a relationship right right um that's exactly right The assimilation side of this is one level. The other is the people that's some kind of self-loathing or self-hatred. Two days, Dan, just said Seneca criticized the Roman Empire. But by the way, criticism is not the same thing. Cicero. But, Dan, criticism is not what we're talking about here. It's not simply criticism.

It's this narrative that everything about this place is some original sin. This narrative that everything about this place is bad. We're always the bad guy. And I think that's very different than being a critic. But it's short-sighted, Will, and it's short-sided based upon our knowledge and where you start studying that history. So the immediate reaction to the way we treated Native Americans is we stole their land. Okay, you want to call it that, you can call it that. But however, if you're going to talk about history than of Native Americans, let's talk about how the Native Americans,

attacked one another in tribes before we even came here. Let's talk about how Native Americans treated themselves within their tribes, how the men treated the ones. So we can play this game forever. And you're never going to get to a point that you don't look at it and say, oh, you know what? There's just good and bad in the world. Gee, I wonder where that started.

You know, so it's one of those things where you can always look to say, I'm going to hang something negative on a culture. You will find it about every. Find me the perfect country to live in. Find me the perfect culture where you say, hey, that's utopia. If it exists, why isn't everyone moving there? They are. It's called the United States of America.

And there it is. And they're rooting for America. Yeah. Even in the World Cup. Even in the World Cup. But, Will, not even into the World Cup. what they call the worst of times you all of these people that are saying all of this horrible stuff at the same time love immigration so which is it you know then at that point you should

be stopping people at the border and say don't come here it's really bad don't come but it's horrible in here it's awful it's we're eating birds on thursdays in november are you kids it's terrible We're watching football when 300 years ago there was a battle here. We have the nerve to watch football between a team called the Cowboys and the Chiefs. And they're playing the Indians. Oh, my God, they're playing the Chiefs. It's a modern-day morality play. We're redoing it on TV.

It's like, come on. I don't know who has the game. Is it Fox or CBS? He goes, will they lean into the motif? Cowboys and Indians, Cowboys and Chiefs, Thanksgiving. Will they lean into that at all? My overwhelming bet is no. I love the way we change the red skin name, but the chiefs still have red helmets and red uniforms.

Like, I mean, what? It's crazy. It's getting thin there. All right, Vince August, comedian, former judge, great conversation, fun conversation. See? See? there you go. Or just root against Taylor Swift. Root for the Cowboys

tomorrow on Thanksgiving. Vince, always good to hang out with you. Thanks for your time today. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, brother. Thank you. Thank you, your whole crew, for having me on the whole year. Really grateful, thankful to you guys. We're thankful to have you. All right, take care. Vince August there. And for you

listening at home as well, in the Wollisha, maybe you're on the drive. Enjoy it. Have a great time. Love America. Love your family. Love your faith. Ultimately, Do what it's about. Be grateful. Happy Thanksgiving.

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