Will Cain Country - Will Patrick Mahomes Overtake Tom Brady?

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Story #1: These hidden plays set the stage for the Kansas City Chiefs to become a dynasty Story #2: Ben Affleck, Tom Brady, Matt Damon, Usher, and Taylor Swift: Breaking down the cultural impact of the big game with Outkick's Bobby Burack Story #3: He's been to over 15 Super Bowls. What's the best stadium, city, and game of all time? Breaking it all down with the anchor of America's Newsroom, Bill Hemmer.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, the hidden biggest plays that set the stage for the dynasty that is the Kansas City Chiefs. Two, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Tom Brady, Usher, Taylor Swift, breaking down the ads and the halftime without kick Bobby Burak. And three, he's been to 20 Super Bowls. What's the best stadium? What's the best city? What's the best game in America for the biggest game in America? The Super Bowl with America Newsrooms Bill Himmer.

It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at foxnews.com and on the Fox News YouTube channel as well on Fox's Facebook page. You can always catch us on demand. on YouTube, Will Kane Show, hit subscribe, catch any of our exclusive interviews. You can always get us an audio format at Apple, Spotify, or at Fox News podcast. This is it. This is the final show from Las Vegas. Of the Fox News channel, this is the final show from Super Bowl 58. You're looking at live at Allegiance Stadium right outside of Las Vegas, Nevada.

You can see the skyline of Las Vegas just beyond the stadium. the strip, you can see the ARIA, the MGM, you can see Caesars, you can see the Rio, you can see Las Vegas, and in the background, you see the mountains, you forget, are in this beautiful state of Nevada. The mountains right now, covered in snow. People don't expect. You come to the desert and it freezes at night, but I would expect because I've been sitting out here at 2.30 a.m. throughout the past weekend to hang out with you on the east coast or you on the west coast who are getting up early for fox and friends and let me tell you something about las Vegas let me tell you something about las Vegas at 2.30 a.m.

It's zesty. This is not a time when people are thinking about coffee or sleeping in. This is a time when people are far, far from going to bed. This is a city that, well, is aptly named Sin City. I don't know what the ladies are wearing today, but it's somewhere between a bikini and a piece of lingerie. I come out to do Fox & Friends, and I feel like I don't know the relationship. I don't know if this is a professional relationship. I don't know if this is just romance. I don't know what's going on is I'm just trying to make my way to the virtual curvy couch. But that's Sin City.

It's gambling. It's tequila in the air. It is the home of this Super Bowl. And by the way, I guess I couldn't have found a more appropriate place to signify Super Bowl and Las Vegas than going to Gronk's beach party. On Saturday, I flew in, I went to the Encore. I met up with Rob Gonkowski.

I met up with Flo Rida. I met up with the legend that is Flava Flav. and I saw Gronk's Beach Party. Check it out. What's up, Grom? How you doing, Will? How you doing, man? How many years is this? We're at Grank Beach 4.0, but it's Grank Beach 2.0 here at Encore. It's electric. It's amazing that the Super Bowl is here in Vegas for the first time ever.

I think Vegas should host it every year. They can handle it. The energy is just electric. Just an unbelievable time. Grong Beach Party seems like it's made for Vegas. So look at this. Exactly. It is made for Vegas. Just a great time. All the fans signed all their jersey. We threw our shirts in the crowd. We signed football, threw our football in the crowd. Let me tell you, perfect spirals. How many hours will you party today?

Well, I started at like 2 o'clock, and this goes so six. So four hours straight for sure. Flo Riders is about to perform. Best performer of all time, Flo Riders. The whole family's here. How many grown family members are here right now? We got all five brothers here right now. All five, all dancing.

We're all just having a good time. That's what we do. Everyone says whenever Travis Kelsey comes up, It's still Grong. Best tied in the game. Best tied in to ever play the game. I mean, I love Travis Kalsi. I played the game to my potential to the fullest I could,

and that's all I could ask for. Travis Kelsey is a great player as well. And without him, there wouldn't be me, and without me, there wouldn't be him. So we love each other. Who's going to win the Super Bowl? 49ers. 49ers.

Hey, man, thanks for having us to Grong Beach, man. You got to show me how to party here. You just take shots and jump up and down. Just go off stage. Do you have fun, Florida? Let me tell you, all I got to say is Grung Beach, and the grunk families, you can't help them be inspired. They are the life of the party every time.

You talk about the family. Nobody was jumping around more than his dad. Grong's dad. No, but now you see what they get it from. You were saying, like, as a party, this is about, this is it. Grong Beach Party, what about that Fox and Friends summer concert series? Amazing. You're going to come back?

You're going to come back? I'm definitely coming back. Flavor Flay. We're in the building. We are here. Man, it was awesome you walking up there. They said Flay for Flav. Yeah, boy.

I was like, no. I've been a fan since I was a kid. Wow, thank you. Show us the clock, though. Let me say the clock. Titus O'Neill, W.W.E. Star, man. What brought you to the beach party? Just coming out here and hanging out with Grunk and some more friends,

and he always knows how to throw a party in the Super Bowl's biggest party of the year. We've got two amazing teams that made it to the beach. teams that made it to the final with the San Francisco 49ers and the Kansas City teams. So I'm looking forward to seeing the green. Who's your pick? It's hard for me to pick, man. It's very hard to go against Pat Mahomes. If they can contain him and Travis Kelsey, I think the 49 has got a really good chance.

Everything I said, I had to yell. I've got a rough voice from getting up early in the morning. It's not from smoking cigarettes at the blackjack tables. I haven't been doing that. It's been yelling at Gronks Beach Party to try to interview people and getting up. at literally at 2 o'clock in the morning to head over to the television set. You can see, by the way, I've talked about it being freezing. I mean, there's snow on the mountains outside of Vegas.

One thing Gronk does not have right, though, was his prediction for the game. You heard him say San Francisco 49ers. Instead, what we have now is a legitimate dynasty in the Kansas City Chiefs. Three championships in five years. That makes you a dynasty. And that puts the Chiefs in a state. conversation now with Lombardy's Packers, with Chuck Nulls Steelers, with the 49ers of the 80s and the 90s, with the Dallas Cowboys of the 90s, and the New England Patriots of the 2000s.

You now have the Kansas Chiefs sitting there in a top six or seven of NFL franchises, and they're just getting started. There's no reason to believe that Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas Chiefs are done winning championships. We're going to talk about that coming up here in a little bit with America's newsrooms, Bill Himmer, who knows a lot about sports, who's been to 15 to 20 Super Bowls. But I mentioned that I went to my first Super Bowl. I've been very fortunate to go to several Super Bowls, both through work and personal. My first Super Bowl was 31 years ago, and it was in Pasadena, California.

It was the Rose Bowl. It was Super Bowl 27. It was Cowboys Bill's, the very first Cowboys. Bill Super Bowl. My dad took me, just the two of us. We would go on to watch the Cowboys Dynasty and go to all three of those Super Bowls. And eventually my other brothers went the rest of my family went. But that year is just me and my dad. My dad's long past. It's been over 20 years since I lost my dad. But I can't tell you this was calculated. But here we are 31 years later. I found the hat in the closet, the Super Bowl 27 hat. 31 years later, I brought

that hat to the Super Bowl and I flew my son out here him 16 years old and he went to this Super Bowl with me last night his first Super Bowl and I got to say you know there's so many things in this show today we're going to talk about it with Bill Himmer we're going to talk about Bobby Burack to love about sports to love about football but in the end this is what it's all about it's about relationships your buddies your boys your sons and your fathers this one this Super Bowl will always be about me and my son watching this Chief's dynasty at Super Bowl 58. Now, let's talk about the biggest hidden moments in the game, starting with story number one. Three big moments in the game.

Of course, everybody's going to talk about the game-winning drive. Everyone's going to talk about the Super Bowl record field goals that help set up overtime between the San Francisco 49ers and the kids. Kansas Chiefs, but let me share with you three moments in the game that allowed this to be another piece of evidence, an entry into the argument that the Kansas City Chiefs are a dynasty, that allowed them to win the Super Bowl. Number one, when the San Francisco 49ers went ahead to, they scored their 16th point, they trotted out the field goal here, rookie, Jake Moody, who in the first quarter set a Super Bowl record by kicking a 55.

yard field goal. That was later broken, by the way, in the third quarter by Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker, who hit a 57-yarder field goal. But Moody's extra point was blocked by the Kansas City Chiefs. Instead of going up 17 to 10, it was 16, 17, 13, it was 1613. That difference, making it a field goal game versus a four-point game allowed Patrick Mahomes at the end, allowed the chiefs to play for the game tying field goal. Now, we can have a conversation about whether or not a touchdown, if it was required, would have been an inevitability with Holmes. But in the end, he didn't need it.

All he needed was a field goal, allowing him to push that game to overtime because of that moment, that blocked field goal. I think this could have been called the Special Teams Super Bowl. This game was about special teams. bringing me to the second hidden biggest moment of the game. This one's not as hidden because everybody talks about it, but the clear momentum shift was the muffed punt by the San Francisco 49ers. The muffed punt that clipped the foot of a San Francisco 49er,

and Ray Ray McLeod tried to recover it, ends up in the hands of the Can Sea Chiefs. Before that, the Chiefs could do nothing. The 49ers owned this game. They were the dominant team. defense dictated this game. Patrick Mahomes could do nothing. It was amazing in the stadium to watch it unfold. I mean, Chiefs fans were deflated. This was a home game for Niners, by the way. Two to one margin. Niners fans to Chief fans. Niner fans going nuts. And you kept waiting, like,

when is Patrick Mahomes going to do something? And he didn't. Come down to the third quarter, he threw an interception. You're like, oh my gosh, maybe that's never going to come. The Patrick Mahomes moment. But that muffed pun changed the moment. momentum of the game. Something that the Niners had been holding on to, all of a sudden started to feel like it was slipping away, which is kind of a story for Niners coach Kyle Shanahan. He had a 10-point lead and make this the third Super Bowl,

where he had over a 10-point lead to choke it away to lose the Super Bowl. That punt, the second biggest hidden moment. And in the third, final drive, fourth and one, in overtime. in overtime, the balls in Patrick Mahomes' hands. You know, that Niners' defense had been incredible throughout the game. The Chiefs were something like four of 12. I don't have it in front of me, but something like four of 12 on third down throughout the game. And yet, you knew, and I knew, and I think everybody watching knew,

Mahomes is going to convert this fourth and one. It's a pivotal moment in the game, but at the same time as one that you knew would happen. And I think that's one of my biggest takeaways in the end. I can give you the hidden moments, the big moments. And it sounds simplistic, but it's also just true. Patrick Mahomes was going to win the game for the Chiefs. That ball, if it ended up in his hands on a final drive, was going to end up in a win for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yeah, football's complicated, and there's a lot of really important small moments. But in the end, the Chiefs have the best player in the game. And right now, that player has been, unstoppable and that's added up to four Super Bowl appearances in five years and three championships in five years and that's added up to a dynasty for the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll break all of it down including a scope of 20 years of Super Bowls with America newsrooms Bill Himmer coming up but next let's go into Tom Brady let's go into Matt Damon Ben Affleck usher Taylor Swift with outkicks Bobby Burrack that's coming up in just a moment here on the Will Kane show

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right here on the will cane show let's bring in now out kicks bobby barack to discuss everything around the game and in the broadcast that is the super bowl what's up bobby hey appreciate it i just want to preference my comments here all of my sports takes i've been rehearsing and getting notes from your co-host rachel camp post duffy i thought if i was going to go ahead to head with you on sports. I needed some backup. So she provided me with some talking points. This wanted to get that out of the way first. Oh. Oh, let's hear it then. I think she might be a one-hit wonder with you batting cleanup for her on the one time she got a sports prediction right. But is there, has she passed you a note on the Super Bowl? Well, just general football talking points.

She thinks that tight ends are the most important position other than quarterback. So not terrible. She is still a little perturbed by Mike McCarthy's clock management, she said, and Dak's interception. She said she can't quite get over. Is that right? I see. Hey, by the way, and I will go to the mat now, not defending Dak, but putting him in to the rest of the league category when it comes to quarterbacks

outside of Patrick Mahomes. Because now you can say the same things about Lamar Jackson and, and for that matter, Brock Purdy, but more importantly, Kyle Shanahan. This is the third Super Bowl that Kyle Shanahan has choked a pretty big lead. I think he's one of the best coaches in the NFL. Is it fair to point out now that he has lost leads of over 10 points in the Super Bowl? Well, I mean, the first, well, look, who's he lost those three to, right? Tom Brady, Mahomes, Mahomes, probably the two best quarterbacks ever.

Who do you have on his side? Matt Ryan, pretty good quarterback. Garoppolo, below average, Brock Purdy, I'd say slightly above average. But I don't put that much on Shanahan because what Mahomes is doing is so much what Jordan did in the 90s where there were all these great players and coaches, but he just beats all of them. And everybody looks like they come up short because they go up against Mahomes, right? from Josh Allen to Lamar Jackson to Joe Burrell last year, Jalen Hertz, Kyle Shanahan, Brock Purdy, John Harbaugh.

It really hasn't matters. I don't think Harbaugh deserves any more criticism than most of those coaches. You go back to last night's game. I mean, the only questionable call on his part was taking the ball first in overtime. Other than that, I thought he mostly out-coached Andy Reed. Boy, you're absolutely right. Does he deserve any more criticism than say Jerry Sloan, the legendary coach of the Utah Jazz, who had to go up against Michael Jordan throughout the 90s? And you're absolutely right about the incredible, even legendary players of the NBA who will never be seen in the same light because they happen to be playing in the same era as Michael Jordan. Well, that's Carl Malone, John Stockton, Sean Kemp, Charles Barkley, guys that couldn't win a championship because they existed at the same time. as Michael Jordan. And I think those players you just mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson's, their real fault is simply existing at the same time as Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah, absolutely. And so I made a joke about this last night. I was one of the people who thought the gap between Mahomes and Josh Allen was actually quite slim after that, what was it, two years ago, and they went head-to-head, the divisional round that one of the greatest games ever. But I mean, I was wrong. What Mahomes is doing is I would argue in team sports, the most impressive start to any career. Most people would argue prior to him, it was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I think Patrick Mahomes hasn't beaten. I mean, let's just run through it. Six years in the NFL, six AFC championship games, four Super Bowls, three Super Bowl wins. He has three playedoff losses, and we can memorize them because there's so few.

what happened the first one. He had Tom Brady beaten and D. Ford, his teammate lined up off size and cost him the game. The second one, his offensive line was depleted. He lost his left tackle before the Super Bowl. He had no chance. And there was that Bengals one where he was somewhat at fault for blowing it. But other than that, he has 15 playoff wins, I think, already three Super Bowls at 28 years old. I mean, Will, I'm a big fan of Aaron Rogers, Peyton Man. Manning, Drew Breeze. He's passed all of them at 28 years old. I think you're absolutely correct. And I don't have a rooting interest in this. I think, but you put it really well, like the best start to a career that you could possibly imagine. And he just did it with possibly his weakest team yet.

This Kansas Chiefs team wasn't that great as an all-around team. And he just won the Super Bowl with this squad, which makes you also wonder where he can take it. Now, let's talk about a comparison to Brady because you brought you brought all these other guys up so Brady won seven Super Bulls six is a Patriot one is a is a buck and his last one was what was it 40 years old 41 years old so Mahomes is 28 that gives him 12 13 year run to win four more Super Bowls now that's difficult honestly that's winning one every four years no no that's winning one every three years and that would be incredible so part of me wants to think hey don't start this Brady Mahomes conversation because there are injuries, there are coaching changes,

there's just bad luck, there's burnout, maybe it doesn't have the same discipline that Brady has. So don't, I'm not sure we're ready for that debate, but on the other hand, look at the current momentum you just pointed out, you know, six straight AFC championship games. There's nothing to indicate after he just won it with one of his weakest teams that there's there's anything standing in his way of catching Brady. Well, and I don't know that he has to catch Brady in number of Super Bowls to be considered the goat, right? Bill Russell has 11 rings. Michael Jordan has six, but we all consider Jordan better than Russell.

Now, why would I make that case? Well, a couple of things, right? Brady's first three Super Bowls, he was somewhat of a game manager, right? Those were defensive heavy teams. He didn't do a whole lot. to win those three. And then that one against the Rams, he didn't do hardly anything. James White was the MVP.

So Mahomes has already done more in those three Super Bowls, and I'd argue Brady has in any of his wins. I mean, Mahomes took the team that led the league and drops. His all-pro left guard, Joe Tunney, was out. He just won the Super Bowl, the highest DVOA in the playoffs ever going through a gauntlet. So I don't think he necessarily has to catch Brady in rings. because I-Tess says he's better than Brady, right? That fourth and one play last night, Brady doesn't make that.

Mahomes is a bigger arm, he's more mobile. In a lot of ways, he's just a better football player than Brady. He is Aaron Rogers physically, but Tom Brady mentally. That's really good. But no one's going to say yet that I certainly wouldn't say he's above Brady, but there will be a number, and maybe you're right. it maybe doesn't have to be seven, where his talent and the way he's won these Super Bowls

will be enough combined with how many he's won to surpass Brady. And I don't know when we'll legit five. I don't know that four will do it because you're still like, that's seven's a lot more than four. Maybe five is a number where you're like, because Montana has four. So I think he has to get five just to wipe away Montana. If you were to ask me today legacy-wise, not player,

who are the rank on one through five, I put Brady 1, Montana 2, Mahomes 3, Elway 4, and Peyton 5, just based on legacy. So he still has the elite Montana, but he's well on his way. I believe he's one playoff win short of Montana. I mean, he probably break that next year. That's a really good list, Bobby. That was good. I don't know if you prepped that or threw that together, but that's a really good list.

And I think you're right. And I'm going to say it's five. Once he wins five, then we can have a serious conversation of Brady versus Mahomes. So it's interesting, being inside the stadium. I've been, as I mentioned, as a fan now, this is my fourth Super Bowl to go to. The other three, though, were in the 90s, and they were all Cowboys Super Bowls, and I had a vested interest. But I went to the one where Michael Jackson performed at halftime, Bobby. And it was interesting.

When you got to your seat back in the 90s, you had a, there was something sitting in your seat like a card. And we all held up the card. We had instructions ahead of the game, and the card had colors on each side. So from a television perspective, it looked like. the crowd, the bowl was changing, you know, choreographed with certain cards. Last night, you sat down and you put on a lanyard with an Apple music thing, and it had a light that would shine, and it was choreographed. So when Usher was out there, the crowd, you know, had this like choreographed starlight going on around the crowd. But one thing that was weird

that I noticed being in the stadium, it was a little underwhelming, the halftime show, Usher. And then somebody said to me, this is not programmed for you. This whole thing is not for you sitting in the stands right now. This is for television. In the 90s, it would have been a huge stage, a grand production, and it was as much for the people in the stands as it was for the people on television. And this was produced for television. And when I looked online, everybody seemed to love the halftime performance.

Yeah, I think it's a really smart point because as the NFL has evolved, has become much more of a TV show than it is an event to go see, right? It's still a lot of fun to go see an NFL game, but watching it on TV is overall a better experience. So I do think that they programmed it and choreographed it for TV, as they did last year with Rihanna. So that doesn't surprise me at all. And I also say the halftime isn't really for you and I anymore

because we watch football no matter what, right? halftime is for the casual fans. I think Usher exceeded expectations, right? Growing up with two sisters, they loved Usher, they were all in on the halftime performance. And I thought he was very good. You can debate his historical, where he ranks historically in halftimes. I happen to think that that Michael Jackson one that you mentioned is number two all time. I thought Usher was one the better ones in the past, say, five, six years.

What's number one? Oh, the prince. Remember when he came out in Miami singing Purple Rain and rain just started to come down? Natural rain. I thought that was one of the coolest Super Bowl moments ever. I rewatched that half-time performance last weekend. I thought that was awesome. If you don't remember that one, it will never be top. The rain. He came out with the stage with his symbol. I thought he was a 10 out of 10. He's so good. Do you think I was thinking back about this last night, the third Cowboys Super Bowl in the 90s was in Atlanta, and the halftime show, I think it was Garth Brooks and Clint Black, and it was all country music. And I was sitting there last night thinking, will they ever do something like that again? Or to your point, this is for as many people as possible. So you've got to hit the musical genre that is, I guess, the most common out there in America. And country's popular. but a start to finish country music, halftime, which I would love.

I mean, that's my genre, more than Usher, but I don't know that I'll ever see it again. I don't think Zach Bryan, I don't know, Chris Stapleton, are they going to get a halftime show together? Now, MTV did a study five years ago about the most passionate music fans when it comes to watching things live. And it's teenage girls, 12 through 17. So I tend to think when they're deciding who's going to perform, they have that demographic in my which, oh, by the way, is where the NFL has seen the biggest uptick this year because of Taylor Swift. So I'm not sure country music hits that demographics. I think you see people like Usher, Rihanna, Alicia Keys, Bruno Mars.

So I'll be surprised if country music comes back around. I think because that reaches a demographic that tends to be older in male, which is already watching football no matter what. So we're going to talk about my experience inside the stadium a little bit later with Bill Himmer. I'm going to tell you about the stadium, which is the new stadium here behind me, the Death Star, Allegiant Stadium. But because I was in the stadium, Bobby, I didn't get to see the ads. And I know that's one of the big things people talk about. I did this morning see the Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Tom Brady, Duncan Donuts ad.

And I thought it was really good. I loved it. It was kind of like bro comedy, a bro relationship between Ben Affleck. of Matt Damon. I thought you were going to support me. Tell me about the ads around the Super Bowl. I like that one. I also like the one with your new friend, Duane the Rock Johnson. They had a really cool one with Cody Rose. But we'll be honest, I miss a lot of the ads because in between commercial breaks, I'm checking my prop bets and betting on the game and seeing what everybody's complaining about. So I do miss a lot of the ads. But I did catch a few

them I thought were pretty good. The Affleck one was good. The one in Doritos had a funny one. So I can't speak too much on that because I did tend to block out a lot of the ads on that one. But I will say this. Last year they had the Sopranos one, that one I thought was so well. I love when they bring in old TV stars to recreate the magic. I think three years ago they did Breaking Bad. I did look, I don't think they did that last time with any drama series. all right so I want to actually I don't know where you're going to go with this so either going to address it and then wipe it away or we're going to have to get into a big debate you're a big WWE fan speaking up bringing to WWE um everyone knows it's scripted

um this is a growing thing of people saying the NFL is scripted I feel like it's gaining momentum bobby like it's it's rigged it's scripted which I at the easiest rebuttal that to me is The Cowboys would be in the Super Bowl all the time. There are ratings juggernaut if it was scripted. This game is not scripted. Can we do away with this, Bobby? So when you say scripted, do you mean the fixes in or that the referees influenced the game to help certain teams?

Because those are two different things. Which one are you referring to? Well, first of all, let's do the fixes in. That's not a thing, right? That's wrong. It's not predetermined. And there's two different groups here. really three, right? There are some people who have fun with it, right? They don't really think

the game's rigged, but it's sports. It's not all that serious, and it's fun to complain and blame everybody but your team for losing. So a lot of people are just joking around, but there are some of the people that I think are just grifting because it's become a political topic that want to say, oh, Taylor Swift's a sciop set down to help Joe Biden last night. So I don't want to conflate the two groups, like the people joking around versus the people who are just trying to increase social media engagement. But no, it's not fixed. If it were fixed, I don't think Brock Purdy would be in the Super Bowl. He would be pretty low on the list. Okay, but then even the second group that the refs, look, I'm an emotional fan, just like anybody else. And when the

Cowboys are playing and I see the disparity in flags, I go, what the hell? But in the end, you're saying, you know, I can hear you leading us towards. And by the way, the refs weren't a big factor in the game last night. I mean, they threw some early flags and they're active, but they didn't throw one big controversial flag necessarily that swung the game. And so you think they do favor certain teams? And, I mean, I guess in purpose of favoring an outcome? I think they do.

So remember when it was Sunday night football and it was bills and giants, it was in Buffalo, the crowd was so into. the game, Channing F the refs, and there was that late pass interference. They didn't call it on the bill. I think there is a home field advantage where the refs don't want to alter a game and just get swamped with booze by the crowd. I think there's some of that, right? I think that there are times where they pick on certain players.

We saw it with Joanne Taylor this year, right? like they were calling him for false starts when he was lined up, like every other right tackle. So I don't think they're rigging the game for certain teams, but I think there are biases in human nature that come in play that aren't always objective and fair. All right, that's fair. I mean, yeah, biases that come into play

because your immediate circumstances are forcing you to go with the crowd or whatever that may be. This has been fun. Man, great points about Patrick Mahomes and putting them into historical context. Always love hanging out with you. Thank you, Bobby Burak. Hey, you too, man. Talk soon.

All right, remember, check out Bobby at outkick.com. All right, what's the best city for a Super Bowl? What's the best game over the last 20 years? What's the best stadium for a Super Bowl? Let's break it down with a super fan. He's the host of America's Newsroom. It's Bill Himmer coming up in just a moment here on the Will Cain Show. Inviting you to join me for Fox Across America,

where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. How does Super Bowl 58 rank among, let's say, the last 20 Super Bowls? Welcome back to the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News. and on the Fox News YouTube channel, as well as Fox News is Facebook. You can always get us on demand on YouTube at Will Kane Show. I wouldn't say running, buddy, but I wouldn't say over the last couple of days,

there's been one familiar face in my Las Vegas Super Bowl 58 experience. From the airplane to the hotel to the compound out here outside of Allegiance Stadium, my constant companion this weekend has been the host of America's Newsroom. It has been Bill Himmer. What's up, man? Nice to see you. Good to see you. Good to hang with you.

So how many Super Bowls is this for Bill Hemmer? I'd have to stop and count them up. It's between 15 and 20. 20 on the high end. Why so many Super Bowls? Because I think there are a few places, probably zero places in America, where you can go and 60,000 people are all in a good mood, and that's what you get a kickoff. It doesn't end up that way, but that's what you get when you walk in.

You get a lot of smiles and a lot of happy people. So if it's the last... By the way, I love football. I know you do. I love it. I mean, Will, I go to the game with binoculars, and I got pretty good seats, and I'm still with binoculars, because I want to catch as much as I can. When I see Bill off camera, when I see you in the hallways, it's usually a football conversation.

You truly love the game. Why do you love football so much? I don't know. Just played it growing up. I think it's an ultimate team sport. I think I understand it. I can see the nuances and ways that I can. and other games, or other sports, rather.

Yeah, yeah, I'd say that. You know, I've always said this, Bill. Football is my number one sport, both college and professional. Soccer has made its way into my second favorite sport. They're entirely different sports. And I've always said football is the biggest approximation to the military. The requirements of football, first of all, it's a job-oriented sport. It's not a freelance sport.

It's not, hey, let me see what you can do creatively. It is, as Bill Belichick said, do your job. job. And it's an amazing task to get that many men who are all contributing individual jobs onto the same page to pursue a common goal. And in the process, they set aside class differences, regional differences, racial differences. It is the closest analogy to our military. I love it. I really love it. And maybe it's the closest analogy we can draw to a more perfect America. I look at, you know, what you sized up there. The reason they're able to actually, execute in a game like this when the pressure is never more so than in a Super Bowl is because

they've done it a thousand times together. And I was watching last night, like the Kansas City offensive eye, just two observations here. These guys are, look, San Francisco's front four is really good. I think that was the best game Chase Young has had, maybe as a pro. He really showed out. And Nick Bosa was gasped toward the end of that game. And he was showing out. And when Kansas City's offensive line did something good, they're fist pumping each other, they're hitting each other in the back,

it was like, wow, that is truly a unit. I'll say this about Mahomes. I was at that game in Miami. It was February of 2020, right before the world changed. It's the first play from scrimmage. Mahomes is in a shotgun. I got my binoculars, and I'm watching Nick Bosa, because my brother played at Boston College with Bosa's dad.

So I've always kind of followed the family, and Bosa played at Miami, you know, boom, boom, boom. That snap in the first play of that game got back to Mahomes as quickly as Nick Bosa got back there as well. And I think that that was in Mahomes' head for three quarters. And four years ago, he was trying to figure out a way where he could beat that San Francisco defense. I think we saw something very similar last night. Oh, Holmes is like, how do we beat them? And he always waits for the opportunity, not to beat you with his arm, but to beat you with his legs. And that's what he had toward the end of the game.

You're absolutely right. There was nothing they could do for two and a half quarters, perhaps three quarters. But here's the thing about it. You know, I want to almost ask you, what was the one moment? What was the one play? And we could talk about some big moments in a game. That's often the way it is in football if a kick goes left instead of it going right or if an interception isn't. tipped, whatever it may be.

But in a game that includes Patrick Mahomes, I made a list, by the way. I'm like the fourth and one, the missed extra point. But in the end, if Patrick Mahomes has the ball in his hands with time on the clock, he's going to do what he does. I would just add this, that I don't think a lot of people have even mentioned in the last 12 hours is that punt team for San Francisco when the ball bounced off his cleat. And I tell you, Will, I was trying to, I was. waiting for the replay on the scoreboard, never saw it. I was going to X, because that's what we do

when we're watching the game. We're trying to see what people are saying, and there was no good replay of it. I have yet to see physically that football hit his cleat. Oh, really? You don't see the angle where it just? I assume it exists out there, but I mean, that was really a turning point in terms of momentum. Are you saying the NFL is rigged? No. That was good. No. No, I believe that two years ago when Cincinnati got screwed. That's it. I mean, sorry. Hey, okay, so you have a scope of 15 to 20 Super Bowls.

Yes. Let's do this for a minute. Best Super Bowl you've been to. Wow. Sorry, I can't say best, but I'll tell you some great moments. Malcolm Butler intercepting that Russell Wilson passed for New England to win. That really, really spectacular moment. Last year was a great game.

You were there for 28 to 3 comeback? Yeah, I was there, too. Yeah, in Houston. I was with my niece. She's a school teacher in Houston, Texas. I like, Megan, we got to go. She goes, Billy, the game's not over. We're walking toward the far end zone, and we see the interception.

And she goes, are you sure you want to leave? And sure enough, New England scores to get the ball back to the score. We went back to our seats and sat back down. What do you think is the best city to host a Super Bowl? I think Vegas did a really good job, but I think so far it's probably New Orleans, which is where, you know, Fox will have it next year. And the reason why it's so good is because they're really good at big time entertainment, big time events, and if you don't need a car, you can walk everywhere.

And I think that makes a big difference. All right, best stadium. I'm going to say something here. I'm going to say it. This stadium behind me is gorgeous. Look at it. It's the Death Star, the Raiders home. It's gorgeous. And it's brand new. Brand new. Yeah. On the outside. And I'm going to be real.

Okay. I was a little underwhelmed on the inside. You thought so. It's a little unfinished. You can see the duct work. Uh-huh. It's, uh, look. You're looking at the duck work? Well, it's hard to admit. It's hard to, it's hard to miss it. Yeah. Someone feels temporary, by the way, the walls. It's not in the, here's my top three, which I, one of them I haven't, two of them I've been to, but I've seen the pictures and seen on TV. Number one, SoFi in L.A. It looks amazing.

Number two, AT&T in Dallas. Pretty good. It's incredible. Pretty good. Hey, side note. Long line. And then I counted why. Nine urinals. It's a Super Bowl. Don't have me walk into a room with nine urinals. I'm missing a lot of the game.

I think potty parrot is turning itself down the way ago. AT&T, everything is nice and big. And then Minnesota. What is it? U.S. Bank? Yes. Awesome. Those are my three. Best stadium. I think the one in Minneapolis is really good because I think there's so many windows there that allow daylight to come in.

I agree with you on the stadium in Fort Worth. Arlington. Arlington. Thank you. Because of that big screen, because as a fan, you don't know if you should be watching the game or the television screen. But pretty amazing stuff. I love SOFI. I did not like the outcome at all. I'm still a little sore. Okay. SoFi is an extraordinary venue. It's hard to walk inside the stadium. I like this because it's got the new car feel, it's got the new car smell.

New construction is pretty good. I think that probably does it. Yeah. Yeah. I think they really did a good job in Miami with the hard rock, the way they renovated it. That's a very different stadium for what it was originally. Miami's a great city for a Super Bowl.

I agree with that. Can I say one thing about Super Bowls and losing? As I tell all my friends, I say, there's only one thing worse than going to Super Bowl. That's losing a Super Bowl because it sticks with you for a lifetime. So several years, several years, right? Several years ago, I rented Joe Montana, right? I said, oh, man, it's you. I said, Joe, you were responsible for two of the worst days of my childhood.

What did he say? I get that a lot. Bingo. I hear that a lot. I didn't share this with you. I got to hang out yesterday with maybe, maybe the greatest Cincinnati bingo of all time. Oh, Anthony Munoz.

Anthony Munoz. By the way, his left finger, you know, does that. Like a lot of offensive alignment, it's just at a 90 degree angle. And I was talking, we were up here, whatever it was, 4 a.m. local time. Uh-huh. And it's 31 degrees.

It's, what, 35 degrees. Yeah, he got up. He's big Fox News, Fox and Friends. And he, I was saying, it's so cold. And he goes, I played in the coldest game in NFL history, 59 below. I said, did you wear sleeves or put the stuff on your arms like a Vaseline? He goes, none of that works. We wore a gray t-shirt, shoulder pads, and a jersey.

On AstroTurf in Cincinnati, which he said is like playing on concrete. That's right. I was at that game. Really? Yeah. I was a freshman in high school. you want to hear the story i do so a buddy my billy mire he says we got to get tickets says how we get tickets you know we're just kids he goes my uncle's a ticket taker he said meet my father

on the plaza level games at one o'clock of course me i'm there at 1130 and it was in 59 below it was 72 degrees below zero the oh higher river's frozen they're frozen for weeks i'm waiting i'm waiting, I can't find Billy. I can't find his tentill. They show up, they can't find their uncle because all the ticket takers are so bundled up. There's an RV from here to that camera right there. Guy comes out of the RV and says, what do you need? I said, I got to get in. He goes, how many need you need? I said, I'm sorry, but I need three. One for me, one for Billy, one for his dad. He takes me inside his RV, hands me four tickets. I come out. We go. I go sliding across, the ice, green level.

I can feel, to this day, I can feel my shins hitting the back of the green level seats right as Jim Breach kicked off with the coldest game ever played. Boom, and we won, went to the Super Bowl and lost to Joe Montana. When I asked you why you love football, you threw in there, you played.

Tell me about your, what did you play? I was strong safety, Elder High School, Cincinnati. We had some good teams, and we had some great friends and some great buddies for a lifetime. And you talk about like the mechanics of a football game and a football team and how you make it work

and how you make it well. And I said because you do it a thousand times. And I think the other reason is because you trust the people who are around you. And I think it's true in football and I think it's true in life. I think it might sound like a cliche, but what those guys do on that team

the only reason they're able to do it is because they do it together and they've got coaches on their team who are leaders and they know which guys on the team when they say something, when they need to listen. I also had Joe Thaisman this weekend

and he said to me, playing quarterback in the NFL is the most dependent position in sports. Not the most independent, the most dependent. If everyone around you does not do your job, you cannot do your job. But I think that's true for the sport at large. When I said earlier, Belichick's mantra was do your job.

And I think you're right. This is a great analogy for many things in life. It's don't try to do his job. Don't try to do his job. Do your job and trust him to do his job. If we all start doing whatever we can, even in the pursuit of success, we're going to mess up the entire enterprise that makes up for this to be a team game. Just do your job.

Yeah, and Anthony Munoz could tell you, because he was, in my opinion, he was the best ever. you got a left tackle he's six foot eight and whatever it was two hundred and eighty five pounds coming out of university of south uh southern california then and i was looking at san francisco success on offense and if you look at their left tackle the same position that anthony munez play you got trent williams he is a mountain of a man and he is really really good and i don't think that brock purdy would be able to have the success he's had and his second year playing without out people like Trent Williams on his left side. Let's bring this back, as you just did, to the game at hand, to the Super Bowl, to Super Bowl 58.

Let's look forward. First of all, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey are talking about winning three in a row, something that nobody has done. They just won three in five years. He's 28 years old, Mahomes. He's got three Super Bowl wins. Brady finished his career with six. Well, seven because he won't win in Tampa.

That's right, Tampa Bay as well. And by the way, Brady showed you can play till you're 40. So Mahomes could have another 12-year run here to win four more. Yeah, I guess it's possible. Something we'll watch. I think he also has something that a lot of teams don't have. And Brady had it with Belichick. And Mahomes has it with Andy Reed.

And what a fantastic coach he is. The way players respect him and the mind that he has for the game. Look, Mahomes is a great player, but he can't do it without Reed and we can't do it without Mahomes. So I think it's an awesome combination. I think if you go through great historical NFL teams, you'll find a very similar relationship between the coach and their star player, like you do with Kansas City. It burns me, man, because my Bengals are three and one against the same team. I told you, you might have the one quarterback that can beat Mahomes. Maybe if you can stay healthy.

Come on Joey B. Love hanging out with Himmer. He's a big football fan. I love talking to you about the Super Bowl, man. you hanging out here. Okay, you got it. Let's get together on the Will Kane show soon, and I really want to learn about Bill Himmer. I'll see you back in New York. All right. Okay.

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