Will Cain Country - Will The American People Trust The FBI On Their Jeffrey Epstein Claims? (ft. Ben Domenech and Dean Cain)

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Story #1: Why are we giving credit to the various talking heads on the Left and within mainstream media who are finally speaking out about things that were obvious from the beginning, like the mental acuity of former President Joe Biden? Will calls out the cowards in the media who played it safe with their opinions over the last 5 to 10 years. Story #2: Will is joined by the Host of 'The Big Ben Show,' Ben Domenech to break down the most recent threats to President Donald Trump's tariff regime. Is a recent Federal court ruling against the tariffs another "nothingburger?" Plus, will charges be brought against staffers in the Biden White House over the misuse of the "autopen?" Story #3: Did FBI Director Kash Patel and FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino likely kill a classic internet meme with their recent claims that Jeffrey Epstein did, in fact, commit suicide? Plus, insight into a new direction for creators who are trying to fill the major voids left by Hollywood with the Writer, Producer, Director, and Star of ‘Little Angels,’ Dean Cain. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. One, I'm just tired. I'm tired of waking up every day in reading about how some mainstream media figure that for five or six years had their heads buried in the sand, has now had some revelation about the lawfare or cover-up of Joe Biden's incapacities. Why do we give them credit? Granted, it's interesting, but why do we give them credit for being cowards? Two, is the Trump administration's tariff regime over, blown up in a federal court, paused, or, as is analyzed by Goldman Sachs, a big nothing burger with the host of the

Big Ben Show, Ben Dominic. Three, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino say the news on January 6th will be shocking, but it wasn't when it came to Jeffrey Epstein. We break it down with Dean Kane. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page. If you're watching, as you should, every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time, go over and hit subscribe to either the Fox News channel YouTube page or there is a Will Kane show YouTube page. You set a reminder, and that way, should you be bumping around in your house or at work at about 11 central, 12 Eastern, Eastern. nine Pacific and you forgot oh the boys are about to stream that reminder will ding you and say it's

time for the will cane show but if it just doesn't fit your schedule that day you're listening to us on terrestrial radio head on over to apple or spotify and then you can hang out with this whenever and however you like on demand at apple or on spotify we got a big show for you today with dean cane and ben dominich the host of the newly launched big ben show here at fox news audio. I want to get to a lot of that here today, but I just want to say good morning. Good morning, fellas. Good morning, tinfoil. Good morning. Two days. Fired up. Morning. It still feels like morning to me. Yeah, but does how does it feel, is it wrong for me to say good morning? I mean, it's noon, eastern time. It's 11 for you. It's lunchtime here. Yeah,

up in New York. It is. And so therefore, it still feels like morning to me. You know, I've got my routine. I've set my summer routine. I figure I had to set a good example for the boys that I'm saying summer cannot just be sleeping till 10 and playing Minecraft until 1 a.m. It has to be more. There has to be a self-improvement program. So I've been setting my schedule and I feel better, you know, once you set that schedule and you kind of like get up and do the things that you need to do and you get that rhythm, it just feels good. What time of day would you say you guys are the smartest? Have you figured that out about yourself yet like when you're firing on all cylinders 12 p.m. when we start the show

good for you two a day i have a feeling at 10 full pets yeah i knew that about you so i'm about to say i'm a feeling you're a night out like you hit your stride at like 1230 a.m yeah but the problem is uh with this show i have to wake up a lot earlier so i'm exhausted before i get to night time so I'm all discombobulated. So it's 14-hour days. Yeah, it's all off track. So if left to your own devices to organize your life in its optimal way, ten-foil, you would sleep till what, 10 a.m. and stay up till 2 a.m.?

Maybe like 9. Yeah, 9. Sleep till 9 and turn in at what time? 1 to 2. That's late. One to two. I couldn't do that. And you, you, two a days? What is, if left to your own devices, maybe on vacation, or whenever it is, you get to just set the schedule the way you like it.

What is it? Probably go to sleep at midnight, wake up by 7.30, I would say, 738. That would be ideal. Yep. If left to my own devices, I would be bed at 11, wake up at 7. but I back that up because I need to hit the ground running at six. That's my goal is to hit the ground running at six. So try to get in bed at 10 is my goal.

Now, I don't hit it. You know, it's 1030, 1045. That's the goal. And we're all honest sleepers. Like there's a lot of dishonest sleepers out there who either tell themselves that they don't need it or lie about how little they get. Now, that doesn't include everyone, including the President of the United States. And as we've learned recently, Kid Rock, who are more in the 40s.

a six-hour range of sleep. That's just not me. That's just not me. I need my eight. I can't survive on that little. I absolutely need eight. Seven, seven is okay. Six and a half is pushing it, but yeah.

Agreed. Agreed. I'll get away with seven. Six and a half might set me back for the day. In the days of Fox and Friends, I got used to the four to five-hour night sleeps, and that was a bummer. I don't know how you get that. And that will set you back.

And you'll want to lay down in the middle of the day. I will. I'm not the president of the United States. Speaking of the president of the United States, there's a settlement offer on the table from Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS, over fraudulent editing from 60 minutes. A settlement offers on the table, and it joins about four to five now of the president versus the United States versus the media. Let's get into it with story number one. $15 million settlement offer from Paramount Global defamation toward President Donald Trump. I tallied it up. I took a look.

There was a $16 million settlement with Disney, ABC, over George Stephanopoulos's continued defamation multiple times during one program of whether or not he was guilty of sexual assault. META settled for $25 million for kicking. President Trump off their platforms and X similarly settled for $10 million and it got me thinking and I'm not going to remember the name of the individual but it was a New York City public official who went a defamation suit asked at the end where is the office where I go to get my reputation back $65, 70 million in defamation settlement. don't begin to restore the reputation of President Donald Trump. You know, I find myself today, as I do every day,

waking up and reading the news, and Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson from Axios are in the news every day with new revelations from their book or new statements they've made on their press tour, promoting their book about what went down when it came to covering up the incapacity of Joe Biden. And it's just, it's interesting. It's curious. We all, oh, okay, yeah, that came out. Oh, that feels like an admission. But it's grown to the point that I'm completely exhausted by it and quite honestly infuriated by it. And when I woke up to see what Jake Tapper from CNN had to say on the Stephen A. Smith show, it was simply now a bridge too far.

I look at the way I covered, you know, the president. Some of the trials of the president, I thought were, you know, I think it's. I think it is problematic when people run for a prosecutor and promise to go after a specific politician. And both Letitia James, Attorney General of New York, and Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney, New York, both of them did that. And that, to me, is problematic because you're not saying this is the offense and we need to bring justice to this perpetrator. you're saying, I'm going to go after him. And I think that there was a degree to which that was tolerated by the media writ large. I mean, I did note it at the time. Was it problematic for you in 2022, in 2023, in 2024?

I don't remember you noting it at the time. I remember breathless coverage of the lawfare against Donald Trump, the presumptions of guilt. not just at CNN but everywhere and I just can't accept certainly a public apology tour at this point in promotion of a book and I certainly can't accept the revelationary

tone of all of this and I'm going to say something even from Stephen A. Smith who's the interviewer in that particular clip see there's this thing that has gone on and it's not limited to stories about Joe Biden. In fact, former host of Meet the Press, Chuck Todd, is doing something similar now,

perhaps to a much lesser degree, but doing something similar when it comes to analyzing why Democrats have fallen out with, for example, men. They're having to use anthropologists to figure out how to appeal to young white men. How do we talk to this strange and breed of American citizen that we've never wanted to. wanted their vote before, but now we do. Hillary Clinton was doing a rally, and it was like, you know, I'm going to be the president for African Americans and Latino Americans. And she just went down the list, right?

You just picked your identity group, and she went down, young America. And my staffer goes, so she doesn't want my vote. She didn't ask for my vote. And he's a white male. Yeah. She didn't ask for any man. You know, the only, and so it was just sitting there going, you know, and now, And now you're like, oh, we've got a problem.

Well, you spent 15 years essentially ignoring that vote. And, in fact, not only ignoring it, interest groups going out of their way to marginalize. Yeah, but so did you, Chuck Todd. You're one of those interest groups. The media is a partner in this entire. I don't know. It's not a conspiracy. This entire propaganda machine.

And you participated in it for a decade on that note on marginalizing young white men, any white man, any man. And I don't, I can't accept that we wake up here today and you have had some revelation and you have some insight that, yeah, it is infuriating for the rest of us to have been reporting this stuff. Common sense. And by the way, forget it. It's not about me. It's not about Fox. I'm not about those of us that did. it's also the American people who saw and responded.

And now you wake up and you have some interesting analysis on it? You know, when I was at ESPN, one of the things that I learned, I really did. And being, and I loved my time at ESPN. I always say that not as a throat clearing because I truly did. And I loved most of my colleagues. I really did. Including those who looked me in the eye and told me they had deep disagreement. with me on something. And even though it kind of came at me hard, I bear no anger on that.

But I learned a lot. And you know, before joining Fox, I was always swimming in those waters. I was at CNN. I was at ESPN. I was surrounded by people that disagree with me. I was surrounded with people that did media a certain way. And here's one of the things that I learned. It is true that much of the media is absolute pure partisanship, hackery. But what is also true, maybe even more pronounced, is that most of the media is absolutely cowardly, spineless. Here's what I mean. Okay, I'll always remember, like, shows on ESPN at times, whenever an athlete would, you know, punch his girlfriend or something like that, we would all talk about it. But there were certain personalities and shows that would climb to the top of Mount Easy Take.

pound the table about how abhorrent domestic violence is. And I remember thinking, like, but who are you talking to? Like, is there someone else here that is the voice of opposition? Is there someone here who is pro-domestic violence? Is there someone anywhere? Is there someone listening, an audience member, who was, you know, considering beating their spouse, and listened to an ESPN sports radio show and thought, you know, man, they're right. I should stop. It's just, it was easy. And you pound the table and you

climb to the top and you become the loudest voice in the room for something that everyone believes. Now, here's where this applies to Tapper and Todd in the mainstream media. For the past decade, the idea that Donald Trump is a would-be authoritarian, criminal is the easy mainstream take it's what well yes at times get you high fives but never get you side eyes in their environment it never will so it's you you swim out to the middle of the river where the main current is flowing and you float along and act like you're a fast swimmer that's what they're all doing and then once you're in that vein once you're in that channel. Then it's the only race is to see who can say it the most impassioned. Who can say it

the most inflammatory? You're in safe waters, so just go all the way. And then it's a competition. And that's how, I mean, there's also a lot of stupidity baked in as well. But I do believe that's a big part of how someone like, you know, Sonny Hosten or Don Lemon ends up saying ridiculous ridiculous, incredibly absurd things because they are swimming in safe waters and the only competition now is to take the safe thing and pound the table the hardest, right? The same thing I described in sports, but now you're talking about in politics. And what I'm getting at here and what I'm telling you is the driving motivational force there is cowardice.

It's first to fit in and then to slightly stand out. from everyone else you're fitting in with. And the hard thing to do is to critically think and be independent and be brave and tell the truth. And that's why so yesterday when we have Bobby Burrack from Outkick on talking about the WNBA and Caitlin Clark and Brittany Greiner, you know, not only do I have to give Bobby credit, but in a way he inspires me to do what I think I've done in the past,

which is, no matter how exhausting all these topics are, don't let the main flow of the channel dictate what you talk about. Your job is to critically analyze and tell the truth. Here's Bobby Burack. Will Compton, Jamel Hill, Keith Olderman, Bill Simmons, Ryan Rusillo, they're all coming after me or Clay or Whitlock. It's one of the three of us. And it's no different than what happened five years ago,

when you were just getting ready to come to Fox and people were coming after you over the bubble Wallace thing because what does that do? It's a deflection and it's also a way to get in that quote unquote cool kids club, right? Will Compton has been getting crushed by those cool kids for almost six months for interviewing Donald Trump. So this is his way of showing everybody, no, no, no, I'm one of the good guys. I'm going after Burrack.

I'm going after Clay. I'm going after Whitlock. it's really it makes you unpopular it makes you the thorn in everyone's side you're not going along to get along but you are independently correcting the record asking for accountability and telling the truth and for the past certainly five to six years really a decade when it comes to Donald Trump, you heard all the things that you're now hearing from Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper. But those things were tossed away as propaganda, conspiracy, irresponsible journalism. You don't get to wake up six years later and act like you are the person doing

responsible journalism when you're six years late. And I mentioned Stephen A earlier. I also would say the same to say, and I would say it. And that's the nature of our relationship. and I have said it actually when it comes to a lot of the the race stuff we did his show this almost a year ago last summer and I remember we talked about last I said Stephen A like yeah you're you're sitting here today going whoa this woke stuff it went completely too far but you were doing it with me I remember we were debating and I don't understand the credit that is afforded everyone for being five to six years. years late and not just being late but being an active participant in the falsehood for the

previous five to six years and i get it christopher hitchins famously said if the pope if christian hitchin said if i wake up one day and say you know noted atheist christopher hitchins i don't believe in god no one cares no no one no one listens but if the pope wakes up tomorrow and goes i don't think this god thing is actually real that it's like whoa you know the pope all of a sudden is saying that. So it's notable that Jake Tapper or Chuck Todd are telling the truth. It's notable. And there are nuggets. But it's also infuriating that there's some level of credit that is afforded everyone who is six years late out of cowardice and participating in the falsehood for five to six years. And it should

inspire. It inspires me to not, you know, I'm not ever going along with the flow to be popular, but I got exhausted. I got exhausted. I get exhausted on the WNBA, the Brittany Griner, the Kail. But you have to. You have to do that. And you know what will happen?

Most likely the vast majority of them will wake up in five to six years when the shift is, when the current has shifted and the mainstream of the river is flowing in the right direction, which it is now, thankfully, on so many of these stories. But you don't get to swim into the current now

and proclaim that you're Michael Phelps. You're floating, you're way behind. And you got here. Not because you have an incredible freestyle. You got here in this place that you are now because of cowardice. All right. Ben Dominge has an newly relaunch show at Fox News Audio,

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Hey, hit subscribe at Apple or on Spotify and always join us here on the Will Kane show. Joining us now is the host of the Big Ben Show at Fox News. It is Ben Dominic. What's up, Ben? Hey, well, it's good to be with you. And I just want to congratulate you. I haven't had the chance to on all your success. It's just been so wonderful and gratifying to see everything you've been able to do both with this show, but also on the network.

I've gotten to watch several of your recent episodes and you're just killing it out there, man. So it's good to be with you. Thanks, man. That means a lot. I really appreciate it. We killed it on Tuesday. Demo ratings came in like fourth or five. Showing how it's done, man.

Really? No, we're excited. I'm humbled, and I think we all are to receive this type of welcome from the audience. I think you hit an nerve, and I think that the reason is, and we know, we know each other, we've known each other for a long time, but I think that one of the real things that people appreciate about it is, authenticity to your views and to your perspective on things. You've got a great, you've had great rosters of guests and stuff like that, but I think it's really about, you know, in this age, and just listening to your monologue just now,

I think people really do prize authenticity. And the viewer is smarter than people seem to think. They can tell when they're being lied to and when people are putting on a facade, when they're pretending that things are true that aren't. And I think that's one of the big reasons why Jake Tapper should get no credit for this whole, you know, rebuilding his, uh, his, you know, perspective in Washington and things like that tour where he's pretending. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous. You don't get credit for these things when you were faking people out for so long on what was really going on. And that to me is just, it's really important to hold people to account on that kind of thing. So in, and the thing about this been, I'm sure you feel the same way. So for the audience, We are talking about when I wake up. You know, when I wake up, I try to go to the gym and then I come back. It's really my favorite time of the day.

After I go to the gym, I come back and I have coffee and I read in. And then I have my first Lucy packet right after my coffee, which that's honestly when my brain is firing. But, you know, I read in everywhere. But we get these notes at Fox and I love them. It's like a huge compilation of stories. and it's a small blurb on every story. So you can kind of get a quick overview by reading through. I get about two emails, one for the Will Kane show.

There's another one that's incredible from Fox and Friends. But I see in the notes, like all these things like Bill Maher said this or Stephen A. Smith said that or, you know, and I like it and I get it. And I like, by the way, I like both of those guys. I like Stephen A. and I like Bill Maher. But after a while sometimes I'm like, but they're saying things that the rest of us said for 10 years, right? And either it's something that wasn't heard when we said it or it was conspiratorial or it was irresponsible. And now they say it's like, oh, now it's real. Yeah,

those lanes are artificially created. And I think that it's something that is really bad about the state of media today. I think it's actually one of the reasons why Kamala Harris lost and why people were surprised at her losing. You know, one of the one of the things that I heard from Mark Halperin the other day, he came on my show was, he said that there were people who were on there who said, I understand why Trump is winning this time in a way that I didn't before, because I've heard the voices of other people about why they were supporting him or about what was going on in the American Midwest, et cetera. And the truth is that when those things come across from Bill Maher and Stephen A, I haven't had the honor to be on with Stephen A the way that you have. but I've been on with Bill, it's like only now can these things be said. Only now are they permissible? And look, I think that that's something that's wrong fundamentally with the media in a way that

hurts the left more than it does the right because we are automatically exposed to what they think, but they aren't automatically exposed to what other Americans think who support the president or who support, you know, independent thinking or free speech or the like. And that's something that I think is really damaging to the way that we even get along as Americans. You know, I've got some things I want to talk to you about today, sort of, you know, produced topics I intend to talk about. But I also just kind of want to have a conversation and listen to you talk. You know, you're interesting, Ben, in that I would put you in a category of people that is not unlike Megan Kelly in that, which I think is a great compliment, in that. Thank you. I take it as one.

You have a complicated relationship with how you felt about Trump at times. And you've been not shy about saying where you disagree with Trump, which I appreciate that. It shows a level of independence. But also I know part of that is, you know, he attacked John McCain. You're married to John McCain's daughter. There's a lot of personal stuff in there, right? But, and you tell me what you think. Have you been able to separate yourself from the personal stuff?

into your now like so Megan Kelly was also Trump came after Megan Kelly right and it was bad and after a while she seems to have gotten over the personal side of it to be more interested in the actual substance of things going on in the country and and now she's a big fan I think it's fair to say of the Trump administration and you kind of have that element too and maybe a lot of people do while it might not be personal to them, they didn't like something about Donald Trump, but then over time they see the bigger picture or how it plays out.

Has that been a part of like your, I don't want to use the word struggle or evolution or whatever, your analysis. So, you know, Will, it's been an interesting relationship. And I will say that the, you know, I was gratified, you know, just a couple months ago to get to go in and get invited to go in an interview the president.

It was the first magazine interview that he did. We put it out at The Spectator, and people can go and listen to it. There's about an hour of audio on the Spectator YouTube page, but I'll tell you, he talked to me for 90 minutes, so there was a lot of good stuff that we had to leave out because he likes to go, and as I'm sure you've experienced before, he likes to go on record, off record, that kind of stuff. But one of the reasons that I was gratified by it was that, you know, it is, you know, I was literally on the National Review cover opposed to him, you know, and, and that was not, I will remind people, that was not a never Trump cover. It was against him in the context of the Republican primary in 2016, where I did think that he was somebody who really represented a break from a lot of things that I value. At the same time, I think that what we've really learned about him as a person and as a leader, over the years is that he is, his judgment, I actually think, is a lot clearer than the traditional

established judgment that has ruled the roost in Washington for such a long time. Now, that doesn't mean that I agree with him on everything, but it does mean that when he's right, he's right. And you shouldn't have the kind of personal animus prevent you from analyzing him and saying, he's right about this. And the established vision in Washington is wrong. You know, My wife and I were invited to go into the Oval when Tulsi Gabbard was sworn in. She's a good, close friend of ours and has been for several years, even dating back to when she was a Democrat. And I think that, you know, including a lot of people who want to break up the system in Washington has been a huge boon to the country. And I think that it's only going to be something that continues because people are tired of the Washington that they've been getting for generations, you know, that ignore.

their demands for change that cast aside any opposite views and put us, I think, as a country on a really bad track that people wanted to change. They've been demanding change in election after election after election and that they haven't been getting it. And I think that we see in things like Doge the kind of steps, the radical steps that you need to take in order to affect any kind of change in a situation in Washington where the bureaucracy believes that they are the ones who actually have the power, the enduring power. And so, look, what I'll say about this is the president has never been anything but cordial with me. And when I interviewed, when I've interviewed him, we've busted each other's balls a little bit.

And he appreciates that. I think similarly to Bill Maher, he has a perspective on him where he said, you know, when I, you know, he brought out the criticisms of him and sort of got to throw it back in his face a little bit. But, you know, the president has been, you know, nothing but I think, you know, open with me and authentic about his views on all those things. Was it hard? Is it hard? But was it hard? Is it hard to get past whatever personal stuff existed? And by the way, it's not just you. Like we brought up Megan, but, you know, I think I don't know what the relationship is between Trump and DeSantis or Trump and Casey DeSantis. But I don't get the feeling that that personal stuff is ever. set aside. You and I have other mutual friends in the conservative commentariat who have been subjected to Donald Trump's wrath, and I don't think they've ever been able to get past the personal stuff. And, you know, he's never attacked me personally, and I don't know why he would. So I have to have a level of humility in saying, hey, come on, get beyond it, start looking at the

bigger picture. But I do think it is the right thing to do. I actually do think it's the right thing to do to get beyond the personal stuff? I mean, I care about the country, Will. And I think that, you know, our priority is always, you know, what's good for the country. And I think that we know the kind of direction that we were headed with the administration that was as out of control as this prior one. But one thing I will say about the personal stuff, I'm just not one to hold grudges in the world of politics.

I mean, this is not, you know, this is not dodgy. This is stuff that's serious. And I think that, you know, you have a situation with, you know, the insults that he directed at my father-in-law that were very personal and that certainly we didn't like and approve of the, you know, back and forth, you know, flack about those things. But I think that you also have to, you know, withstand that and think about what's right for the country. The other thing that I would just say is, and I've said this, I've said this before, though, you know, the person with the thickest skin in the world. who I have ever met in my life was John McCain. He didn't care about this stuff. And if he called you an a hole,

it was a compliment. You know, it was not a situation where he was someone who minced words. The first time that he went on TV and talked about me, called me a jerk. And that was a sign that he liked you. Yes. He went on the view, called me a jerk. And so the sort of thing that I'm just saying is

I think that there's a lot of white knighting going on about how dare Donald Trump say this about that person or this about that person. And And to be honest, what we care about deep down and what I care about as an American who wants the country to succeed is for good policy, good leadership, strong leadership to be in place that puts us on the right track. And I think that what we see from this administration, especially, I think even more so than the first time around, is a focus on trying to really write the ship and deal with a lot of things at once, by the way. very rapidly, in some ways, that, you know, has had to move fast and break things, but in a way that needed to happen because of how bad things had gotten for the country.

On that note, and I totally agree with you, this term feels way different than the first term. The first term felt like it was pulled into controversy and attack and attack, and this is all offense, this is all vision-based stuff. And again, like you said a moment ago, you can disagree with some of the vision or whatever may be, but it is a vision-based term as opposed to, you know, a mud-slinging fight of a term. Yeah, I mean, one of the things that, sorry, one of the things that he said to me, in fact, was, you know, when I showed up in Washington, I didn't know anybody, you know, they tell you you're the president. I felt like my task was to save the country and survive, which he said to other people since then as well. And I think that, you know, this time around, he showed up really with a much greater team of people who have command of what's going on there and have a direction.

They have an actual focus direction. And that, to me, is a huge world of difference. More of the Will Kane show right after this. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves. a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com. Fox News Audio presents Unsolved with James Patterson.

Every crime tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at Fox Truecrime.com. Welcome back to the Wilcane Show. So one of those big visions, that direction is about tariffs and the economy. And as of today, a judge, a three-panel judge that handles trade, court system that handles trade, has said the president doesn't have the emergency powers to levy across the board tariffs,

the 10% tariff regime, and even put a pause, I believe, on the Chinese tariffs, the targeted tariffs. Markets have kind of rallied because markets don't like tariffs. And, you know, the headlines at CNN and such are screaming that, this is a big blow to Trump. Meanwhile, Goldman Sachs came out with analysis this morning, Ben, that basically analyzed the impact on tariffs of this decision is a big nothing burger. And it laid out a whole host of other legal permissions that Trump has to re-implement these tariffs through a different mechanism than the EO he used.

Do you think this is a big moment or a nothing burger when it comes to the decision over tariffs? I think it's a nothing burger, Will. And I really do, I mean, I've looked at that Goldman Sachs announcement. The other thing is that I think one of the things that people need to understand is that the powers the president has when it comes to these emergency economic provisions are very wide. And I really don't think we've seen the courts obviously throw up all sorts of different roadblocks for the decisions that he's made in regard to other things. But tariffs really are an area where the president by dint of, you know, multiple acts over the course of decades. you know, including stuff that dates back to the 60s and 70s, et cetera, these are areas where the president does have an enormous amount of power.

And I think that, you know, whether they have to use a different mechanism or whether this is ultimately something that the Supreme Court looks at, this is, I think, going to ultimately be a nothing burger. And one other thing that I think is important to understand is that tariffs, despite the fact that they are unpopular with Wall Street, and I'm not a big fan of tariffs, I think that they really should only be used to force conversations that other nations don't want to have with us.

They are actually quite popular with the American people. And they are one of the reasons, I think, that Trump was elected this time around. I think the border obviously was the biggest issue. But people are more and more have faith in the president on the economy, as we've seen in poll data. And that's something that I think is an issue where the markets reacted, people got scared, some of this stuff got pulled back, new deals are getting done. And really, you know, ultimately this may end up being, you know, vindication of the approach that he's used to kind of have a reset of our relationship with a number of nations around the world. This kind of takes us back to the media conversation we're having earlier.

The fact that tariffs and Donald Trump's handling of the economy is polling well is the opposite of what you would think in reading, you know, including things like the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the reaction of markets, right? So the reaction of markets, markets, by the way, are a poll. That's what they are. Short-term fluctuations of markets are a poll. They're just a poll of an identified group of, honestly, Wall Street, rich guys. But Main Street polling becomes just as valuable in measuring what the American public thinks of how he's handling the economy. And it's the antithesis of what you would think, again, by consuming CNBC, you're the Wall Street Journal. You know what's also on that note, Ben, is immigration.

I just saw a poll yesterday. I think he's hit an all-time high of approval rating with Latino voters, with Hispanic. Yes. Which you would think, what? Deportations, immigration, border. But all-time high with Hispanics. Quite honestly, Will, I would like to walk into the offices of the Atlantic or the New Yorker and have them explain that to me.

Like, what's your explanation for why this is? You know, why do you think this is? And of course, the answer is that they have. prove of his policies. They understand the difference between the, they understand to tune out the kind of calls of fearmongering around fascism and, you know, putting people in the camps and things like that that they have been told by so much of the legacy media when people who are here legally generally don't want people to be here illegally. They don't like the effect that it has on their communities. They don't like the fact that this is something that goes on, the human

trafficking element, everything else that we've seen. And to think that Latino voters would be motivated more by racial scaremongering as opposed to, you know, accepting the fact that they are Americans and they care about their country. They care about a secure border. And they care about that more than anything that they're being lectured to by the white college educated elite of the Democratic Party who thinks that they should think differently than they do. Um, you mentioned earlier the hour you have up on YouTube and other places with the conversation with the president at the Spectator, but you're also relaunching, uh, the bin Dominique podcast now as the big bin digital show here at Fox, which includes video. Uh, tell us a little bit about this new relaunch. So, Will, for a while now, I've wanted to try to do something that, you know, included a wider range of voices and had a little more material to it. The folks at Fox were, uh, kind enough to connect me with the team that has been working for many years now on Guy

Benson's radio show. We're doing, you know, basically an interview format and then bringing in some of the DC-based Fox folks who, you know, oftentimes, you know, Will, the folks who are in DC, they don't really get to show as much personality as some of the folks who are in New York. You know, we have a great group of folks down here in the capital that. include Peter Ducey, of course, Jackie Heinrich, Aisha Hosni, you know, Griff Jenkins gets to show off sometimes. But the point is just that, you know, when I sit down with Lucas Tomlinson, we're talking about sports, you know, and the idea that he doesn't

ever get to go on air and talk about sports, you know, on our network is something that, you know, I felt like needed to be corrected. And so we've got the show relaunched. People can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and everywhere else. there you go check out the big ben show okay i don't know where you'll go with this yesterday on the will cane show at the fox news channel i interviewed brett tolman former federal prosecutor about this biden cover up and the people around joe biden and we're we are honing in on some names that possibly were the most involved in running the government and covering up joe biden's incapacities which includes chief of staff ron klayne uh jill biden hunter bide

and Jill Biden's chief of staff, and several others. But I asked, because I'm, I appreciate that the audience is, and the American people are tired of congressional investigations that go nowhere, that they want a real sense of accountability. So the question is, is there a crime here? Are there any real charges? And there's a list, and he said yes, by the way. He said yes. And I just, here's, I'm going to give you a couple, Ben. I just want your thoughts on some of this.

So this is 18 United States Code, Section 371, conspiracy to defraud the United States. If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States or to defraud the United States or one or more of such persons do any act to affect the object of the conspiracy than it is a crime. There are several others that caught my attention. I've got a list of like more than half a dozen of these things. Hold on. Let me just find the one more that I found, not wire mail fraud, false statements,

obstruction of justice, forgery of the United States documents. That's dealing with the auto pen, essentially. Now, all of them sort of require coordination, conspiracy, and all this stuff I understand is very hard to prove, and you're not going to find much judicial precedent. And that's sort of needed. We need to see that it's been done before. But I don't know that we've ever seen this level. We've had presidents who have been incapacitated. That's true. We know that. But this was an active, you know, defrauding the American public of information they needed and questions about who actually was signing the documents and running the government. And I just wonder if there's any real potential criminal accountability. Well, I don't know, obviously I'm not a lawyer

and I don't pretend to be one, but I don't know about the degree to which these things are provable. What I do know is that this is the most incapacitated president that we've had since Woodrow Wilson. And, you know, in the situation where, you know, his wife was effectively running the government for almost a year, the issue to me that matters. You may not be a lawyer, but you're a historian. How was Woodrow Wilson incapacitated? He had a stroke and then he had issues that, you know, essentially prevented him from being able to fulfill the functions of the presidency. He was essentially, you know, house bound and bed bound for most of the last year.

Seems like a case for the 25th Amendment. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%. And today in, you know, today's media landscape, it would have been unavoidable to learn that that he was incapacitated. When it comes to this, the concern that I have the most about is related to the Autopenn issues, because we have gotten into this landscape where, you know, Autopen

was supposed to be something that. was used for either de minimis, you know, issues where you're signing stuff that really is not that important or rare issues where, you know, the president needs to sign something by a certain time and he can't make it back, et cetera. There have been issues in the past where this has come up. But when it comes to Joe Biden's use of it, I think we have legitimate questions about whether the president even knew about this. If he had any kind of awareness of how his signature was being used in the closing months of his presidency. And I think it's incumbent on a lot of these people

who have been revealed to be dishonest to the American people to come forward and to prove that he did know what was going on. I think that the burden is on them. We can't just assume that he knew all of this stuff. And, you know, that's not acceptable. As a functioning Democratic Republic, you cannot have to be. You cannot have. that be the case. Can you imagine if Donald Trump woke up one day to find out that his signature was on something that he didn't agree with? I mean, come on. You know, it's absurd. I mean, I actually have one of his pens here. Okay. Like, if he doesn't get to use this to sign that

document, you know, that's one of those things where he's going to have issues with it. And I think that with Biden, how do we know that he knew any of these things were being done, especially in the closing days of his administration, especially as it relates to pardons and commutations and issues along those lines, that's something where the president absolutely needs to know and he needs to sign off on it himself. And if he doesn't, then they have to be reversed. All right, check out the Big Ben Show. It's at Fox News podcast, also on YouTube, and also check out The Spectator. Ben is the editor of The Spectator. Love having him on. We'll get him on soon here at 4 o'clock as well on The Wheel Cane Show. Thank you so much, Ben Dominich.

Great to be with you. all right take care um dean cane coming up we're going to talk to dean so dan bun gino was on fox and friends this morning cash patel was on special report with brett bayer last night they talked about epstein they talked about january 6th we talk about that next with then dean cane Fala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding, it's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with

remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. When did Tapper start writing this book? That would be interesting to know, says KB on YouTube. Well, we know the answer. He started writing it well into the administration. If what we're told is they started the reporting at that time. Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor of the Atlantic who just did the Signalgate story, he just chimed in on this cover-up.

He said, I don't understand how it's a cover-up. Reporters ask questions and they don't get honest answers and how are they supposed to report it? The point is, you are capable of common sense and observation as well. You have eyes and ears like the rest of the American public. That's just an excuse to not report things you didn't want to report about Joe Biden. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page.

Dean Cain is writer, producer, director, and star of Little Angels. And he joins us now on The Will Cain Show. What's up, Dean? My brother from another mother, Mr. Will Cain. Good to see you, sir. Good to see you, man. Hey, have you ever done, I have tried, if you've done, like, family genealogy,

not to see if we're related. Like, Kane, where does that? I think sometimes I get that it's Irish. Sometimes I get that it's like Scotch Irish. Do you know where we're from, are people, Dean? Well, here I know this one exactly. We're on my side of the Kane family. we are from my dad's imagination because my dad

really my dad changed his name um he was born with a different name and when he came to hollywood back in the day from south dakota farm boy from south dakota he didn't like his name so he changed it to christopher kane and then he adopted me and i became dean kane so we're the first generation can but i'm still i'm still feeling tight with you i still feel like we're do you know what i like about that your dad's like i need a good strong Hollywood name. What is a good

and he picked Cain. I love that. Good Texas name. And C-A-I-N, not K-A-N-E. Like all of our favorite rapper from the 80s, Big Daddy King. Big Daddy. Dean, I just want to get you in on this.

I was just talking to Ben Dominic about this and it's kind of where I led today. I just can't, I am a little worked up. I'm just exhausted and tired with this idea that somehow all of these media members, including Jake Tapper, exclusively, Jake Tapper, have come to this revelation of things that we all knew, everyone, we all knew for five, seven, ten years, because it's not just about Joe Biden. It's on a whole

host of things. Oh, now you have revelations about Democrats turning off men. It's like, why do you get credit now for waking up? They shouldn't get credit now for waking up because they're just, it's revisionist history. Ben was a historian, you know, big, I want to see the Big Ben show, by the way, but he's a historian. I mean, it's clear. It's revisionist history. If you were one of the voices back in the day, which I was screaming about this stuff, saying stuff, you certainly were. There's so many voices. Those were people, those are the people who were right. They were covering up. They were being partisan about the whole thing. And this is a complete sham. And watching Jake Tapper and Alex, whatever his name is, go on this tour,

it's incredible. It might as well have been just Fox News, you know, five years ago or three years ago saying the exact same thing and the Laura Trump thing where he's just ripping on her and all that stuff. It's just embarrassing. It's stupid. And I, I think that's why the mainstream media has lost so much of its power and its push. All right. So Cash Patel last night, Dean, was on special report with Brett Bayer. And this morning, Dan Bongino, our mutual friend, was on Fox and Friends. They're now leading up the FBI.

And they have been talking about some of the cases we've all been talking about for quite some time, including Jeffrey Epstein. Now, this is cash last night with Brett Bayer. There are. The Epstein thing, you dealt with Maria, you said, as far as you know, he killed himself. I'm telling you he killed himself. The other thing on the internet is the Epstein files. What's the answer to that? The answer to that is the same as everything else.

I'm not going to withhold information from the American public ever, but I'm also not going to rush to get it out there in a format in which they can't rely on it. So on the Epstein matter or any other matters, we are diligently working on that. And it takes time to go through years of investigations, years of political maneuvering, and years of cover-up to get the American people

what they deserve. And that's what I'm going to give them on everything. Dean, this morning, Bongino said on Fox and Friends that he's seen all the evidence, seen it from every angle, and that Epstein killed himself. Well, there goes that meme.

They just ruined a perfectly good meme with that. You know, Epstein didn't kill himself. If those guys are saying it, I, listen, I've been very skeptical in the past, but if those two guys are saying it, I tend to believe it. Of course, there was a confluence of events, you know, the guys taking a break, cameras not working, all that sort of stuff. And there's this whole, you know, veneer of like, we don't know what, who the clients are, et cetera, et cetera, that's really frustrating for all of us in the public. We all want to know. And I think somebody asked yesterday on X, They were like, you know, if it's, if it's Republicans and Democrats that are going to get busted, do you still want them released?

Yes. Whoever is doing that stuff. Whoever was doing that pedophile ridiculousness. They all, whoever it is, go down and burn them, 100%. But I believe if Cash and Dan Bongino are there and they're saying this, then then I actually believe it. If you said it to me, I'll believe it. Other people, if Jake Tapper said it, ah. Right.

Right. I feel the same way. I know Dan, I think, fairly well. I've met cash several times. I do not believe they would look at the American public and tell them something that's not true. I still have trouble with that truth. And I have to then analyze myself. Well, is it because, and I have to ask myself, is that because you wanted to believe it or you went, you know, you don't like the truth? All these things I have to ask myself. But I also think there is a deep. are truth, to your point about Epstein, like, okay, you're telling me all the evidence points to the fact that he killed himself. But there's still bigger questions, like, who was Jeffrey Epstein? What was he doing? How was he enabled? Every step of the way. What was his job? And who else was involved in this entire thing? And I think those are questions that we have to know the truth on. It's just digging through, you know, they've had years and years of just bury that stuff. It's like me trying to sue Warner Brothers for Lois and Clark residuals. They're buried deep. You can't get in there, you know?

And I think those guys are having to dig through layers and layers of just bureaucratic crap and people covering it up and all that stuff. I think it's just going to take a little while. But I truly believe in cash and I truly believe in Dan Bongino that they want to get to the bottom. If it was you and I will, like I know we're going to do the job, but it might take us a minute. And that's frustrating for everybody else sitting out there. And the names that covered it up, I want them all busted. I want to, you know, I, burn them all.

If you're doing, if you're part of this thing, burn them because that's a, it's a corrupt system. What happened there was disgusting. I want the client's names out. I know I'm not on the list. I'm worried about that and I didn't go to any ditty parties. So put all the lists out there. You just said two things that I want to follow up on. So, you know, you know, I have dove in on ditty.

And I don't have, meaning I haven't read up and kept it up with every element of the case and the testimonies going on and these kind of things. You know, I am a little skeptical sometimes, Dean, of like overcharging from the federal government and phrases and charges that carry with it a certain amount of, I'll give you an example. Bob Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots, was busted for human trafficking, right? it went to trial charges roll suddenly dropped it and happened why was he busted for human trafficking well because he visited a massage parlor in florida that specialized let's be real in happy endings we don't know specifically i don't think what they may have had video i can't remember the the details but guilty or innocent of that particular thing that doesn't amount to human trafficking it's a different thing but what everybody thinks in their mind when they think of human trafficking they don't think

that. And I do wonder with Diddy and all of these stories. And again, I'm not fully read in what was happening there and what happens in Hollywood. Sometimes I see interviews of actors are like, you have no idea how bad and manipulative and indoctrination it is in Hollywood. And then others, I'm like, well, I've read that they've overcharged Diddy. And what you're talking about was freakoffs and ridiculous parties and maybe blackmail on people he took videos of, but it's not the huge Hollywood conspiracy you want it to be. What do you say, Dean? I would buy that line of thinking 100% will. Because, I mean, Hollywood is full of crap. Let's be honest. And most of the stuff you get out of there is baloney and you don't know.

And people are lying all the time. And we go on shows and talk about this, that, but you don't give the full dirt. You and I sit down and have a drink. I'll tell you different stories than I would tell, you know, on the show. And that's just the way it is. And that's reality. I think, yeah, I think, I think there was a, there's an element of truth to it. You know, I agree with you about the human trafficking thing with Bob Kraft. That's ridiculous. And they may be overcharging, Diddy. I mean, I know that the ridiculousness happens and people will do anything in the Hollywood business to get, to get a leg up or get whatever.

And, you know, let's be honest. You mean, actors are all prostitutes anyway. We all show up for money to play some role and do some thing. So in a sense, we are. But the stuff that happened, the ditty things that I hear. here and the stuff that goes on. It's like when I was a kid growing up in Malibu, there were a lot of kids who did drugs, but nobody did the drugs around me because they already knew Dean doesn't like that stuff. We just want to have any of that around him. And the same thing, I think with those

ditty parties, you know, I don't think that that kind of stuff, like those kind of things aren't going to happen around me because it's not going to float. And I'm not exactly a quiet, you know, little wilting flower in the corner. I'd be like, what the hell's going on here? You guys out of your mind, you know, any of that sort of stuff. So I didn't get to hear any of that stuff. I know a lot of the names that are being thrown around there, but I think you're probably right. I think there's probably freakoffs and weirdness, and he certainly was abusive to his,

I mean, I saw the video in the elevator room, and you know, the man should never act that way. And that just should never happen. And that alone makes you want to smack him. You know, I'm like, that's just wrong. So if that, if that's any indication, there was some bad behavior, but I don't know if it goes to the level they're talking about.

I'm going to sit there and watch it. Right. And like everybody else and just, I'll reserve judgment to that. but I do know that I wasn't at any of them on the record. Yeah, I mean, my suspicion is immorality, probably some criminality as well, but not the huge conspiracy that is probably being built up into. By the way, growing up in Malibu, how is Malibu?

Like, you know, I went to Pepperdine and I keep up. I do talk to the people at Pepperdine. I'm reading stuff like they may not even let houses be built back on the beach and after the fires and everything. Malibu was pretty devastated. We talked about the Palisades, but so was Malibu. Malibu is horribly devastated. So when you were at Pepperdine, you'd look out of, you know, I don't know how you all,

I don't know how you did any studying and ever, ever at Pepperdine, because it's gorgeous campus and everything you're looking at it. But if you're looking out from Pepperdine to the ocean, just to the right, there's a number of houses there. That's where I lived for the last 20 years. And I moved out of there two years ago, moved to Las Vegas. But I was right next to campus. I would go run on the track.

Pepperdine was part of my everyday life, even though it was, you know, it was yours. for four years or however long it was, two years. Was it law school for you? No, it was four years. It was college. Oh, college. You were college, okay, good. So, yeah, beautiful spot. But Malibu is, my sister's still there, my brother is there.

It's completely screwed. It's not Malibu anymore. I don't believe they're going to let people build on the beach anymore. I think they're going to eminent domain that stuff. I think they're going to go for different kind of housing. I think they're just screwed. You look at all this. I mean, I left California for this very reason.

The regulations, the policies, They're ridiculous. And it's, it's kind of like when we were all sitting there as a nation under Biden, just these things that are happening that are so frustrating. You're like, what is going on? This doesn't make any sense. I didn't vote for this. They're lying to me. I feel like everything's being covered up. That is California. That's Gavin Newsom. And that's Mayor Karen Bass. And everybody that I know there is talking about, you know, how impossible it is. All the businesses are going under. There's nobody there. Nobody can come through. My sister lives on the other side of it all. And she goes over the hill to Westlake Village for most of the stuff.

Don't even think about going to like Santa Monica and trying to get through that way. Forget it. I heard it's gone and it's just screwed. My parents' house burned down right on the beach there and their former house. And I don't think they're going to go up. I think this red tape, I've said it from the beginning, is going to strangle everybody. And all these people who have voted so blue for so long and all these regulations are going to be strangled by their, you know, by their, they're going to be hoisted by their own pittard to borrow a little shake. So they're getting

screwed by what they voted for. All right. Speaking of Hollywood, tell us about Little Angels. So you have not unlike, I feel like possibly like Kurt Cameron, who I've had on recently. I mean, you've seen an underserved audience here.

That's we all have. And you've got a new project in Little Angels. Yeah. So, you know, if you know a thing or two about sports, and I know Will Kane knows a thing or two about sports, I'm a sports guy through and through. And so I love any time I can marry sports and a story together and a movie. So having played football forever and every other sport under the sun, this is the story.

It's kind of like Mighty Ducks. I wrote it. I produced it. I directed it. I starred in it. If you don't like something about this movie, it's my fault. But it's a story of a guy like a Nick Sabin, you know, who just wins the national championship.

And during the national championship, they have a girl kicker come in and try to kick an extra point. Game's over. She misses it, doinks it off the upright. He makes fun of her being, you know, a girl and playing soccer, and this is America and soccer's for girls. Well, that gets him in trouble, and he gets suspended for the season. You know, those guys make good $5 million a year, some of those higher level coaches.

And so in order to save his job, he has to coach a group of under 13-year-old girl soccer players. And he doesn't like kids, and he doesn't like soccer. And then he goes through and having to coach these girls and runs through a whole gamut of stuff. And, of course, there's a love story with one of the mom. and a whole thing and it's just a really it's a the thing i love about sports and and films and teaching things is you learn so much i always give a big metaphor to football for me you know whenever

you start thinking you're something special some dude comes around the corner and knocks you on your ass and you go hmm yeah i'm not so special and the next time that guy comes around the corner your teammate cleans them out and you go yes i need to rely on my teammate i got to do this job i can't do it by myself and all those lessons that you learn from sports translate into life. And that's what this movie does. A lot of fun stuff. It's not a faith-based movie, but it's certainly a faith and family-family-friendly movie. So it's a newer version of Mighty Ducks for girls, and you'll probably get a couple of laughs out of it. Hopefully you'll go see it. It's in theaters, June 6th. If you don't, if you don't have it, you want to know where it's

playing, go to little angelsmovie.com and then demand to see it in your area, and that'll get us more theaters. And I'd like that. But I like making this kind of entertainment. I like to make this kind of a project. I'm very proud for people to see it and associate me with it. Yeah. I imagine. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you.

By the way, harder or easier, and I got to throw this out there. I play a coach. Yeah. You've heard coaches, you know, when you call, when I see my coach from college, I still call him coach. It's impossibly hard not to. It's a level of respect for that. Like coach, coach, my character is coach Jake in this and that's all the kids ever called me. me. Hey, coach, hey coach, and I, and I, you grow to love it. So if people start calling me

coach instead of Superman, I'll take that too. Coach over Superman, wow. Harder or easier to make your own movie, like from start to finish, like everything you did here, write, direct, star. I mean, 2025, I would hope that the answer is easier. Yeah, I'd say easier in that sense, because as a director, a writer, producer, you get to make the decisions. Like, if something you don't like on this movie, it's, it's my fault. If you don't like the music, I was the guy pushing every little thing, and I did every little bit of it. Every button was my call. I mean, it's a complete team sport, and everybody helped, but I made the final call.

I really loved it. It was very comfortable for me to do that, and I really enjoyed creating something that now lives. And that's the great thing about making a movie is now it's this living entity. And hopefully, you know, my niece and my goddaughter play soccer. At the time, they were 12, 11 and 12 years old, when we started shooting. shooting the movie. I would go to a weekend tournament and there'd be 5,000 kids playing soccer and all the parents. So there's 15,000 people out there watching soccer, playing soccer, moving stuff, carrying things. And I thought, man, if I make this movie and a fraction of these

people go see this or watch it when it starts streaming, I'm going to do all right. I'm one of those people. You know, both of my boys play soccer, by the way. And I, by the way, I used to make fun of soccer. Now I love it, by the way. I still make fun of it, by the way. They'll like this. To your point on sports, yeah, I love the whole fandom angle of sports. I just do.

I love being emotionally invested in something, even if I have no impact on the outcome. I just love it. I can't. I don't feel like I have to justify it. Professional college, whatever. But there's the other side of sports that you're talking about. And this is like when you have kids or whatever it may be, I just don't think there's another better proxy for learning about humanity.

And I mean that both internally and externally. So I played an individual sport mostly swimming and then I played water polo at Pepperdine. But when you play an individual sport or a team sport, you first have to learn about yourself. Like where are your limits? How do you push yourself? Can you overcome failure, resilience, all these different things, investment, grit. But then when you deal with other teammates, you're starting to learn about who pushes your buttons. How do you push their buttons, those that you're competing against?

It's like the whole thing is a mind game. It's on its surface. It's all physical. Yes. But the deep and interesting part of it is your mind and other people's minds. How you impact positively or negatively other people's minds. A hundred percent. First of all, let me just say, if you played water,

I didn't realize you played water polo at Pepperdine. And I know those. I had a lot of respect for you. It just went about up to here, though, buddy. That's, you guys are. You should know I was a scrub. Before you inflate me too high, I was a scrub into the bench. You're a scrub with one of the best teams in the country.

So you're up there rolling around. That'd be like, yeah, I play for Alabama, but, you know, I didn't get much playing time. Bless you and well done. But what you talk about those mind games, it's everything. So if I'm playing opposite you on a football field, you're going to hate me because I'm going to be in your ear. I'm going to be chirping to you in the back. You don't want to reach out like, you don't want to reach out to make that catch. You want to have the little alligator arms because I'm going to light you up.

And I'm in your head the entire time. And that's what you do. You play those games. But after the game, I'm going to hug you and say, man, you were a tough competitor and this was great. And boy, I had to work hard for this and that. And that's the respect. But it's all a mind game. And we get into that in Little Angels.

There's a girl who can't make a penalty kick. And it drives her bananas. And it all comes down to this. So I bring in, my character brings in Brandy Chastain, who kicked the greatest World Cup ending penalty kick of all time and ripped off her shirt and got on the cover of that she came in and did the uh did the uh the film with me and she comes in as a sort of a guest coach for a minute and help me out with a seminar um but it was awesome and i wanted the girl and i love and all my ex-girlfriends are female athletes i love the i love athletics i love female athletes men and trans men have

no business or trans women would have no business competing in that i mean to get into that but that's ridiculous to me any real athlete will tell you that's insane uh and anybody who doesn't is selling something Like Megan Rapino, you know, say, oh, sure, that's ridiculous. She'd never been on the, that's why they got beat by 15-year-old, you know, Dallas, the Dallas soccer team, you know, it's ridiculous. And men shouldn't be doing that. But I, but this, this is very, very pro-girls sports, very pro-sports, very pro-family.

And I talk about that. Your team becomes a family. My Princeton teammates from college are still some of my closest, all my closest friends in the world. Like if I, if you get like four phone calls, three of my calls are going to be to two guys that played ball with him. The fourth will be to like Tim Kennedy, or maybe Secretary Hegseff to get me out of trouble. Right. All right, he brought up Superman. So the guys on the show here, finally, we're over time, but I want to do this. Two days, Dan, you're going to run through a little competition here between me and Dean Kane on knowing our superhero. I don't even

know the I don't know what this is it's superhero trivia what is this take it away so it's a segment called caped or canceled we're gonna I'm gonna give you an actor and a superhero role and you're gonna tell me if it's a real role they played or if I just made it up are you just trying to cancel me like they

tried to cancel me before no absolutely not I think there's no expectation that Superman knows all of his superheroes that's true so you can't be canceled thank you all right yes Dan question one Shaquille O'Neal played a steel-armored superhero in the 90s.

Is that true or false? True. That's true. That's true. He played steel in 1997. Huge Superman fan, by the way. And I don't mean just size. Yeah.

Loves it. I know that to be true. All right. Question number two. Al Pacino once played a retired Batman in a 2005 direct-to-d-d-d-D-D spin-off. Al Pacino. I'm not buying it Will

False That's absolutely correct That did not happen That was completely made up Which it would be funny though I think that would be great I mean you got us a direct to DVD I don't think Al Pacino

Direct to DVD You kind of threw that one out Question number three Rain Wilson voiced Lex Luthor in a DC animated film Oh the animated world is going to throw me Yeah Because, and voices, and he's a talented actor.

I'll just say true. I'm going to say false. Dean Kane is correct. It was true. Rain of the Superman in 2019, he voiced Lex Luthor. You just took that opposite side. I should have known you'd go true, false, back to true. I should have known the format here.

You see, he's got a pattern. This might be easier because it was recent. Lady Gaga played Harley Quinn in the latest Joker film. true I didn't see it but I'm gonna say true that is true with Joker folia do Joker 2 with Joaquin

Phoenix she played Harley Quinn I did not see it was terrible is that is that true or false I heard it was terrible myself but I haven't seen it I heard people walked out wow and Joker 1 was so good

have you ever walked out have you I've walked out one in my whole life I walked out one time I think I've walked out once I think I was one I'll take the movie walk out of Batman versus Superman but I held in there just for the just for the office yeah that would have been a statement

Dean Cain walks out of Batman for Superman I walked out of Beverly Hills cop three and the reason well and that's the thing you can't have somebody love something and then do that like I loved one and two right so much and three was so bad I walked up yeah that's what they built it up and then they tore you down I know That's how I felt like Batman versus Superman. All right, two more. Ryan Seacrest cameoed as the Flash in a Kia commercial during the Super Bowl. Ryan Seacrest.

I'm going to let Dean go first. I feel like he's riding my tail on a couple of years. I was saying first. I'm going to say false. That's where I was going to go to. False. It is false. That never happened.

But sounds like it could have happened, though. It sounds really good. You have to see Ryan as the Flash. I think Kia is going to maybe do that commercial. I think Kia is going to maybe do that commercial now, as we say. That's the only superhero that Ryan Seacrest can do, by the way. I mean, he's in good shape, but he's not superhero shape. And the flash is thin, you know, because he's into cardio.

And Ryan's only like, yay tall and you can't be, you can't be, you can play Ant Man. I'm sorry, Ryan. It was a joke on your behalf, Ryan, when you see this. I met him with American Idol. I can confirm. Confirm, can't confirm. But a very nice guy. You know two days was on.

Dan here was on American Idol. I was. Yep. Whoa. The last season was on Fox, yeah. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, we've played the clip. I'll tell Seacrest.

I can say. No, I know. All right. Last question. Nicholas Cage played Superman in a movie. Nicholas Cage. And he also a big Superman fan? He's a big fan.

But this is almost a trick question, Will. That's right. So I'll let Will answer it first because I know the answer. I bet you do. he played Superman what did you say Dan in what did he play Superman in a movie it's a trick question because he's well the answer I'm gonna go true okay you are gonna be correct they put him in this thing for this this this reverse whatever this oh this whole like the other thing but he was supposed to

play Superman in a movie and that got canceled and then I think they put him in this other one so I'm gonna say you're you're correct and it's true but I am correct on how it happened. Please tell me yes. That's exactly right. That's exactly how it happened. He was in the flash as Superman, only because he was supposed to do Tim Burton's Superman, but they canceled the movie. It's fantastic.

The suit with the long hair? You need to see it. Really? It's going to stick with you, kind of like Joker 2. Oh, okay. I don't know if that's an endorsement or not. All right. Dean, it's always good to talk to you, man. Thanks for spending time with us, and everybody go check out Little Angels.

Appreciate it, bud. An honor. Thank you, brother. All right, there you goes. Dean Can. Again, go check out Little Angels in theaters in June. Requested if it's not at your theater. Always love having Dean Cane on. That's going to do it for us today here at the Will Kane Show. Thanks for hanging out.

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