Will Cain Country - Will We Ever See The JFK & Epstein Files?

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Story #1: Did Jeffrey Epstein really kill himself? Will we ever see any of the classified files? Join Will and The Crew for another round of 'Quick Takes.' Story #2: The father-son duo that played for Coach 'Bear' Bryant and Coach Nick Saban. Former Alabama Football players Jeremiah & Caleb Castille join Will to discuss their new FOX Nation documentary on the first Alabama Football season after Nick Saban's retirement, The Tides That Bind: Inside Alabama Football. Story #3: What's left to discuss when it comes to sports? Plus, Major League Baseball says goodbye to ESPN. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for $5.5 plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. One, did Jeffrey Epstein actually kill himself? Will we ever know? Will the files ever be revealed on Jeffrey Epstein? and whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK from the schoolbook Depository.

And other stories, today's quick hits. Two, playing for Bear Bryant and playing for Nick Saban, a father-son duo that's part of the stories behind the tide that binds. Focus on the Alabama Crimson Tide. Three, what's left for us, you and I? We as a nation to discuss when it comes to sports. The NFL? Hockey? It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page.

Always on demand, terrestrial radio, coast to coast, but by also subscribing at Spotify or on Apple. We're here every Monday through Thursday. 12 o'clock Eastern Time at Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook, where someone has let the dogs out. Facebook numbers absolutely exploding. That's a personal triumph for us here at the Wilcane show, but it also suggests something has changed. It was an interesting article we're going to hit on in just a moment where a couple of years ago, Clay Travis, the founder of Outkick, went back and forth with Mike Florio, the founder of of pro football talk. Bobby Burak wrote it up because Mike Florio is very upset about the death

of DEI. But looking back on their history and their discussion, Travis asked Florio at one point, why have you never hired a black writer at Pro Football Talk? Mysteriously, a few months later, Mike Floreo hired his first black writer at Pro Football Talk. Is that an admission of guilt? I don't think it necessarily is. But if your numbers on Facebook, hover around a certain figure for years and then we're good and we have numbers climbing everywhere we go right now but to see our numbers explode on facebook and a relatively short amount of time suggest i don't know some admission of guilt could we see that same admission of guilt over on youtube yes please and thank you yesterday we let the dogs out here on the will cane show

Saint joined us on the program, and my new Doberman revealed my bare feet during the program. Yikes. And we've got a lot of great feedback, including that Saints should perhaps become a permanent fixture of the show. So maybe I'll set a dog bed up in the corner of the studio, and he can just hang. My only slight concern is that he will wander and rummage and unplug the T1 TPS report. cable that airs this program. I'm surrounded by cables in a very small amount of space, and I am so technologically ill-informed that it does feel like someone could trip, and this show never gets on air

again. So I don't know about letting a 75-pound semi-athletic Doberman stumble through the studio is the best idea, but I'm going to entertain it. I'm going to entertain the idea. I entertained social media last night by posting and introducing Saint on my Instagram and on my Twitter. I want to share with you guys two pieces of feedback slash criticism that I got. I always actually love when someone, when I say love, I have the same bad habits of everybody else who stands in front of a camera or sits in front of a microphone. I can get 100 compliments, but for some reason the criticism bangs around between my ears.

for a little bit longer. So, you know, I read comments during the Will Kane show on Fox News. Yes, I've seen the multitude of comments will stop nodding your head. But I also saw last night on social media the following pieces of criticism, don't you dare load your dogs up in the bed of your truck and drive around. There was a picture of Saint and Violet in the back of my truck. and there was a half a dozen people that felt like this was a high crime and misdemeanor. I don't know if that's just a different era that I grew up in, but like, that is a huge privilege and treat. You get to load up and let the wind blow through your face.

I mean, that's dogs living on top of the world. And let's be honest, okay, I let them, hold on two days. I let them hop in the cab of the truck as well. we'll do that from time to time but are we all going to sit here and pretend like you're strapping on a seatbelt and if that's the case how much safer is the cab than the truck bed

what's up to a day's no I like doing that as a human being sitting in the back of a truck bed riding down the road we used to do that all the time growing up it's amazing of course of course so I don't know what this is like this divide I have I think what's with

to be fair or to be accurate a lot of I think female commentators this is a very bad form for me to load my dogs on the truck when I lived on a ranch in Montana

we had a flatbed truck I'm talking if anyone doesn't understand that's you know no walls and we loaded the dogs up and they rode around on the flatbed now it was mainly on country roads and around the ranch

but here comes PETA they figure it they figure it They have great balance, Violet, better than Saint. But they can figure it out. Here's the other comment that I got, because I posted how it's going with Saint and disciplined camp and so forth. His only real problem these days is he's replaced humping Violet with cuddling humans.

And he desperately wants to be on forbidden couches and in bed. And this is how we operate. There is a dedicated couch in the game room. where dogs are allowed to get on. There's a window seat, like in a bay window, with a cushion on it. Dogs are also allowed to get on, although that's dominated by Violet, where she can sunbathe. You know, she's working on a serious case of skin cancer.

And those are the two, you know, people-oriented places that you're allowed to get, but there's limitations. And I'm not going to pretend that we're better than we are. Have there been occasions when a dog has jumped up in bed and cuddled? yes but I try not to make it an expectation or a habit they're dirty man and they shed and I don't want them on a nice couch or where company's gonna sit

you know and I'm pretty we have to really clean their paws every time they come inside but I just think there should be boundaries boundaries boundaries when it comes to dogs other people commented are they a member of your family or not let them on the couch or their bed it's very pretentious I don't know if any three of you

you guys are dog guys would you do you allow them everywhere you go hell yeah so i'm a i'm a big dog guy i had a my german shepherds he's back home because we couldn't have her down in new york but no on the bed trained her very well but no on the bed and me my wife are looking to get a dog now because we love them very very much and i i think i have to set the president that there's no bed i like my space and you live in in an apartment in new york city so you probably don't have multiple living spaces meaning couch in this room couch in that room like you know if you lived in that situation i would more understand okay he he's he or she is allowed on the couch but i don't think they should be allowed on every piece of furniture in a home like there's a there's a luxury

that i mean if that's what you want to do in your house fine but not in my house there's a luxury item piece of furniture for them you know what i mean designated this is the room where i'm allowed to get on the couch um yeah i just uh i don't i don't i like boundaries i like discipline when it comes to the dogs and right now he's he feels the same way as the people posting on instagram am i a member of the family or not so many experts on the couch are not are all the humans allowed on those couches too or only yeah the humans are allowed the couch and they're not covered in plastic You're not that old. You're not that old, yeah.

But, I know it's good to share Saint and all of your opinions, bring you all together and share you, check it out on Instagram or on X. And they'll just see the pictures of Saint. All right, we are going to talk to a father-son duo who are behind the Tide that binds the University of Alabama docu-series that is now up at Fox Nation.

They have a fascinating perspective where one played for Bear Bryant and one played for Nick Saving. Before we get to that today, let's get to story number one. Okay, for story number one today, we have, I believe it is, four stories in quick hits

can be taken through us by the most electric men in television. Tinfoil Pat, Don Tinfoil Pat. The floor is yours, Don. That's right, Will. It's quick takes with tinfoil Pat here. Big story. Everyone's asking, where are the Epstein flight logs? Where are the JFK files? We were promised to have them up pretty quickly. And Attorney General Pam Bondi even said on Sunday that they were on her desk right now. So clear the clip. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything there? You said, oh my gosh. Not yet. Not yet. Well, we ever know the truth.

Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself? Who was he connected to? Who was connected to Jeffrey Epstein? Who killed JFK? So, we actually have a morning call. I have a schedule now that includes two morning calls, one for the Will Cain Show, television show, and one for the Will Cain Show. Digital program. And the digital program call, which is everyone you hear and see on this show right now, is designed to set some level of expectation about what we're going to talk about on the show.

Today, unfortunately, it was dominated for 45 minutes with a debate over Jeffrey Epstein. so the issue is as follows will we ever know the truth Donald Trump said in an interview last summer with the hosts of Fox and Friends weekend when pressed by Rachel Campos Duffy that he would release the files on JFK and MLK and he was hesitant but may be best described as open when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein why would Donald Trump be hesitant Now, I think the theories behind that hesitancy and a hesitancy that might be behind what you hear from Pam Bondi right now are worthy of exploration because they tell us a greater story. There are news reports out today that there might be resistance within the FBI and other places to releasing these files.

And the suggestion it would be in defiance of Donald Trump. Even Pam Bondi's slow rolling it and she was pressed by Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna as recently as yesterday. suggests some level of resistance towards bringing this to the public. Anna Paulina tweeted or posted on X. There's a massive war happening in the intelligence agencies right now. The corruption being exposed is actual treason. And then this was in response to a post by Charlie Kirk where he quoted, grabbed a post, and he quote tweeted it, it says, on the CIA seventh floor, home to top leadership,

some offices are also quietly discussing how mass firings and buyouts allegedly already are offered to staff risk creating a group of disgruntled former employees who might be motivated to take what they know to a foreign intelligence service. Okay, this is all connected. Okay, I am going to assume Pam Bondi is not within the first two weeks of her position as Attorney General is defying Donald Trump. I have to assume that all of this is at the direction of Donald Trump. So let's start with Epstein. What would be the theories on why we'd be slow to get the files on Epstein? Well, the headline that they would run on MSNBC is Donald Trump is implicated in whatever went on with Epstein.

A second possibility would say Donald Trump's friends are implicated in whatever went on with Jeffrey Epstein. Or a third possibility, which is the Jeffrey Epstein story is much deeper than anyone can fully appreciate or has. been discussed in a public forum. We have discussed it here on the Wilcane show. As a short, abridged cliff notes version of that, the question remains was Jeffrey Epstein connected to a foreign intelligence service? Was he an asset working in an extortion and compromise program here at the behest of a foreign government? There's a lot of fascinating detail. a lot of eyebrow-raising connections, specifically when it comes to Galane Maxwell and her father, who was a London media titan, and their connections to Israel. So the question is, what, if anything,

could slow roll these releases and what, if anything, will be withheld if Pam Bondi is telling us the truth? there's nothing surprising in these files i personally have trouble with quote unquote conspiracies when they require great amounts of people to do two things be competent and quiet i just have trouble wrapping my minds around those two possibilities i just don't think there's enough competent people to engage in a conspiracy who can then turn and keep their mouth shut. But I'm not an idiot. I do know there are honeypot schemes. I do know that that even among allies, there is spying. I do know that there is a lot that goes on that does require some level of coordination and would keep the public from ever really getting to

know. I went to the JFK Memorial Museum a few months ago. We talked about it on the show, right? And honestly, as I sit there, and I feel like I've read a lot, and I feel like I've watched a lot, and I feel like I've now been there, I have trouble with any theory that doesn't really rely on Lee Harvey Oswald from the schoolbook depository. I don't really buy fully, I think there's some weird stuff about the bullet, the magic bullet. I don't buy that it was hard to pull off those shots. If you stand there, by the way, it is not a big complicated shot. It's really not. and three shots in the amount of time that they allotted them,

I do think it's very possible. Now, that doesn't mean there's not some conspiracy or cover-up or something that put the wheels in motion that led Lee Harvey Oswald down that path, right? I mean, there are some weird stuff about Lee Harvey Oswald and the Soviet Union and connections to intelligence services that it's just hard to ignore. but my suspicion is if for example on both of these stories and then finally the little bit

I know about MLK all I know is MLK was highly surveilled by the FBI highly followed by the FBI that Jay Edgar Hoover had Martin Luther King Jr. like near a top of an American subversive list so if there's stuff in there that is beyond oh pedophile ring this that like that that level of discourse on this doesn't do it for me because and i might be naive on this and we discussed this on our cause morning i have trouble wrapping my minds around a ton of powerful dudes that want to subvert the law when it comes to young women that doesn't mean i don't think it happens but like the quote unquote pedophile ring is just harder for me to accept as a plausibility then there's some deeper stuff here when it comes to the intelligence communities and if i'm right

that's the case on all three of these things. I don't think we ever get to know. Even despite Donald Trump's promises, I think if there's a release, we're going to be inundated with papers that really, in the end, shed no new light. And some dudes on X will post bombshell, oh my God, and we'll all read it for a minute,

and we're like, I don't really know that this tells us anything new. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. So I feel like we're headed down the path, and I think I've, And I have a suspicionist to the reason that there are going to be high-level people. They're like, public just can't – this didn't happen during the first Trump administration either, right?

High-level people are like, you can't know. You can't know. And you know what? They would let you know if there was a pedophile ring that a bunch of billionaires were involved in. That's the type of thing I think eventually would blow up. I give you Diddy. You'll probably get to know on Diddy, almost everything. Yeah.

But these other ones that have deeper things geopolitically, I don't think we'll ever get to know. Go ahead, two days. No, I think plus there's a lot of just information thrown out around all these things. So the more information thrown around, you just don't know what's true. They could put something in front of our face and we might not even believe it because it's like, well, yeah, I kind of heard that, but that seems like a conspiracy, but you can't really prove that to be the thing. And I mean, a lot of these things, I like to believe in Occam's Raz, we talked about this before.

I don't know what I find harder to believe with this. The Mossad thing, and that seemed a little bit more in the conspiracy realm than just kind of the simpler, like, people are really messed up and do messed up things like this. But I don't know that we'll know, and I guess it's whoever's wanting to, yeah. Go ahead, James. You had your hand up. What's up? Yeah, and I mean, to your point on the fact that it's stuff that'll come out, people will say bombshells, nothing new. We saw that with the MLK stuff. I was watching the Nixon movie from the

90s the other week, and they were talking about the same MLK files that people claimed were bombshells on Twitter like two weeks ago. Yeah. And with the JFK thing, me and James have the same thought. Maybe it was just as simple as it was just an intelligence failure, and it was kind of embarrassing. So maybe they just hit it and it was a lot simpler than we thought it was, you know, just because... Well, Lee Harvey was on a... I believe this is correct. Lee Harvey was on a watch list. And Lee Harvey was visited by the FBI. Now, I don't know. I think there's

probably more to it than simply failure. We see school shooters that are visited by the FBI and they still are able to perform. There's a meme about it. The Bart Simpson meme where it's like, say the line and it's like if he was on our radar

and everyone cracks up. Right. Okay. Tinfoie Pat. Story number two. Take it away. Story number two, medium billionaire, or a millionaire, Bill Burr, is not a fan of billionaires, and he made it pretty clear in this clip here. The people that are struggling out there because of these billionaires, and they got us all arguing liberal and conservative.

We've got to stop doing that. Like, I am so tired of hearing about people going to bed worried about what's going to next week. There is so much fucking money in this country. And there's so much work being done. You know, then if you work a full fucking week at a job, you should be able to pay your fucking rent. You shouldn't have to go out and get a n-h-fucking job and still be struggling. It's bad for the country because then the kids don't see their parents so they're not getting the upbringing that they need. It's so fucking, these fucking billionaires,

they need to be put down. You know, like fucking rabid dogs. They're like rabid with fucking greed and just going out and just dividing everybody. So we live in a clip economy. We just do. So I'm tempted to ask you guys, what's the context? But I don't even presume that any of you guys

actually heard his longer conversation. I don't know what he's referencing. If he's referencing Doge cuts as a social safety net system for people that's being cut away at the behest of billionaires, I don't know. My thing on this is, and I want to be consistent and coherent with myself.

If I rewound the clock 15 years to a young Wilcane who was on CNN, I would have been reflexively antagonistic to what you just heard from Bill Brown. because there's so many opportunities to be like first of all he conveniently focuses on billionaires and not millionaires and he's a millionaire my suspicion is he's a tens of millions of millionaires several times over i don't know what bill bear's net worth is but i'd probably put the over under it 20 to 30 million and the so he conveniently focuses on billionaires over whatever's going on with millionaires so it makes me think well what is he pointing to with billionaires in particular they're the problem but again to be consistent and coherent i have over the past five years also thought that the wealthiest people in america have really failed america now i said that um

in their weakness not in their conspiracy their weakness to give into dei to give in to woke to not stand up to any of the insanity for the past five years to do business in china to not focus on america bringing jobs here that they showed no pay periodic duty they showed only a fidelity to the bottom line so i have criticized that class over the past five years but as we said today if he's talking about doge and government cuts why i mean and then so are we doing the seriously like when i say this now it's a joke but are we doing the msnbc thing i watched like three hours of msnbc last night uh had to see the final show for joyrie which rolled into nap time during jinsaki and then rachel maddow burning it down

after that. Boy, she went after the bosses at MSNBC. But when I see the MSNBC thing, is it like, oh, the billionaires want their tax cuts, so we're cutting doge. Like, that's not what's going on here. We have a fat government. Fat is even an understatement.

Obese government, morbidly obese government, who runs the 40 as fast as a morbidly obese person would run the 40 to get things done. And we need a cut. And I care about the people. I do. I had this conversation over breakfast today. I care about those, quote, unquote, in the bottom, whatever, quarter, 20, 10% that we're talking about. But I don't think their savior is government largesse.

I don't think their devil is Doge. Go ahead, dude, as you have what Bill Burr is worth. Yeah, when the subject came up, Bill Burr was reading a fan letter from a millennial single mom who had written in to ask about professional women's sports but lamented about not having much time to watch. them between raising two children and struggling to make ends meet while balancing a full-time job. So he's kind of just talking... What does that have to do with billionaires?

Like, I think like sports owners, sports teams, people, any billionaire that tells us how to live our life or that weighs in on society at all, he sees as not relevant to the conversation because they just try to pin us against each other so they make more money. Go ahead, tinfoil. He also was very positive toward the Ouija, the health care shooter. Yeah. So he's doing a lefty populism thing. Yes.

That's basically what he's doing, a lefty populism thing. Okay. What do you got, tinfoil? So, Mike Florio, a pro football talk. Yeah, boy. Our friend of the program, Bobby Burrack, wrote up a little piece about him. Mike Floreo said that with two of the supposedly co-equal branches of government, not currently in the mood to even acknowledge such

issues, it leaves the task of ensuring fairness to the courts in regards to DEI. And then he also said, where are all the white cornerbacks? No, but he said that facetiously. Yeah, with. Oh, yeah, yeah. And sarcastic, in sarcastic. The sarcastic tones, yeah, yes. Is that how you do it?

where you do a little, a lowercase letter, an upper-claced letter, back and forth. How much time does that take? A lot. That's sarcastic fun. It's a lot. I've done it a few times. Don't do it to your significant other. It doesn't work out. I promise you.

Is that sarcastic tone or crazy tone? It's like, why do you do-d-d-d-d-da-da-da-da-d-d-d-that's the tone it is. Like, why aren't there white cornerbacks? That's the tone, pretty much. Yikes. Have you ever noticed, does your wife do this? go ahead tinfoil that was in response to a report by USA today

that white men have filled the last 29 vacant offensive coordinator positions oh okay does your wife ever do stupid voice for other people right you know you hear you know it's always saying and you know and then then every once while she accidentally impersonates you and it's the same one

and you're like what are we doing here like I can tell of us, the same thing you did for Bob, and you were making fun of Bob. When a girl does boy voice, they start talking in that, like, deeper, kind of dumb, I'm a male voice. Yeah, my wife, all she has to do is just talk really low, and you talk, you sound like this. You fight full thumb. D.I. is dead.

D.I. is dead. I don't care. I don't want to hear about the offensive coordinators. It's dead. You're playing the most out-of-date music there is. I saw a clip of Cam Newton in this black billionaire. I think his name is Brian. The last name is Bryant. I'm not sure. It's really good. And he was 100% like, it's dead. DEI is just dead.

We want the best people. And then finally, you have one fourth story. I believe Patrick, it's about Doge, right? That's correct, Will. Doge. And great, now I lost the page. Doge is looking good. Doge is looking good.

The people want... You just send an email? It wasn't an email, and then I lost the email. Deadgummit. Killing it. I just got an alert that Patrick just sent an email. I sent an email? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm, it's all, it's really. And you just sent a text to the group chain. You just sent three texts to the group chain. You just said quick takes. It's clever, L.O.L. No, no, I sent by the way, you're saying, it's not quick. It's your point, right? Which you should have done it in sarcastic voice.

No, no, no, no. I would say it's case, uppercase. It's quick takes, Patrick. Quick takes. You said quick, quick hits. it's based off the time of your time at first take that was the joke is it i didn't get the branding don't worry patrick i got you the new harvard harvard harris ball just want to show us with you well everybody else freaks out about doge i just want to let you know how the american people

feel about doge um do you believe the current level of u.s federal government debt is sustainable or unsustainable 67% unsustainable do you think the u.s government should move in the next few years to balance the budget, or is that unrealistic and it should continue to run significant deficits? 83% move to balance the budget. To reduce budget deficits, do you think we should need to reduce government expenditures or to increase taxes? 83% reduce government expenditures, only 17% increased taxes. And finally, do you think that we are in need of a full examination of all government expenditures or should we not get in the way? 77% need a full. examination, 67% to 83% range in support of what is happening at Doge, no matter what they scream

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and onto the field as the Alabama Crimson Tide take to the stadium. Taking now to the Will Cain Show is Jeremiah Castile. He's a former All-American at the University of Alabama. He played under Coach Bear Bryant. And I believe, Jeremiah, if I have this correctly, you're also now the team's chaplain. Is that right? Yes, yes, sir, that's correct.

This will be my 24th season. Nice. 24 years with the Alabama Crimson Tud, and his son, Caleb Castile, who's also with us right now. He also played at Alabama under coach Nick Saban. By the way, Caleb is the executive producer of the tides that bind inside Alabama football at Fox Nation. Gentlemen, glad to have you on the show. Thanks for being here. Hey, thanks for having you.

Yes, Will. Caleb, let's start with you. This wasn't easy. I have to think this was hard. So a week ago, I'm just going to tell you something, not to brag, okay, but on the Fox News channel, I get some big time people. I've interviewed Kevin Costner, the Rock, the Senate Majority Leaders, and so forth, the Secretary of Defense.

Booking the schedule for head coach Kalin DeBore, not easy. So what I know is hard is you getting all this behind-the-scenes access, even though you're Alabama legacy family, the Castillo's. This had to have been hard, man, because once you're out of program the size of Alabama, it's not like, hey, let's throw this little behind-the-scenes thing together. This is something that requires, even though he's your dad, blessings from the high priest at Alabama. I mean, yeah, well, you pretty much hit the nail on the head, man. I was actually having this conversation with my dad the other day, and I was like, man, you know, I really haven't wrapped my head around it, Will, the fact that, you know, God allowed me through

my dad and everything that our family has invested there to have this opportunity. So, man, I'm just first and foremost thankful to the Lord that he has allowed me to have this gift of storytelling and just this journey we've been on at Alabama. Really started with my pops back in him deciding to go to Alabama. And so just this whole thing coming full circle from my dad going, playing under coach Bryant, both of my older brothers, Tim and Simeon, both played at Alabama as well. And then coming down to me, you know, the walk-on of the family having to kind of go earn it. And then, you know, going into entertainment and being able to do this.

But yeah, Will, it was hard, man. It's a hard journey, and I'm sure you know as well, you know what I mean, how this business shakes out. You know, there's a million different decision makers and cooks in the kitchen, but I will say, you know, yeah, it definitely helped having, you know, my dad, having accomplished the things he did and having served the university as long as he has as chaplain and building relationships with everyone from board of trustees to coach Sabin to, you know, staff. members. Yeah. Right. You're protecting the brand, man. This is the brand now. This is the Crimson Tide. So I have so many follow-up questions for you, Caleb, based upon what you just said. But, Jeremiah, I'll go to you now. So let's start with kind of how this starts. I'm tempted to ask you about Coach Bryant, because I have a couple of questions about him. But tell me why and how you end up at Alabama?

Well, I'm a middle school kid, 7th, 8th grade. And in my elementary years, I used to pass by this prominent black family's house called the Lowe's. It was Woodrow Lowe who played at Alabama. And at the time, they were the prominent black family in our little community and everybody would say, that's the Lowe's house, that's the Lowe's house. So anyway, I got to know him from afar. And when I got to middle school, I was a football fan.

And one day I turned the television on on a Sunday, and it was the Coach Bryant show. And Coach Bryant was doing his show, and he said, and that's Woodrow Low on the tackle from Phoenix City, Alabama. And I'm like, man, I pass by his house every day. that's where the Lord really birthed the dream that one day I could play at Alabama. So I've read The Junction Boys. That was a book that was important as a Texan. At some point you got to read, Coach Bryant, before getting to Alabama, coached to Texas A&M. And it's the story of the training camp of Coach Bryant taking these A&M players.

I think it's when he first took over the program out to Junction, Texas, rough country. and a rough training camp that he put those boys through. You come away from that. I mean, as rough as it might have been under Coach Saban, Caleb, I don't know that it could be rougher than what I read about with Coach Bryant, Injunction, Texas. Was that what it's like? Was it tough, Jeremiah?

Well, I'll tell you how tough it was. Okay. I still live by the principles that I learned. at 18, 19 years of age that I learned from Coach Bryant. And my roommate and I used to say there's no job that we'll get one day that we would, it was so hard. Coach Bryant literally broke in camp. He would break every player from the strongest guy to the, to the weakest guy.

And if you were weak, you were going to, you know, I saw guys leave at night in the middle of the night with their suitcases headed down the back stairwell at brian hall and uh never to be seen or heard from again that's how tough it was what was the point by the way in breaking people like you know i can i can intellectually and philosophically get it jeremiah like you break someone so that you can build them back up and hopefully build these men not just as individuals but as a unit as a cohesive team. Was that the idea, tear them down so I can bring them together and build them up? Yes.

As a matter of fact, you're saying that, Will, the picture I got is one of the things in that is identity. And when you're in the huddle and it's a fourth and one, it's a third and long, whatever, you know, in those crucial situations, go line. you know people don't think about it was but when guys are in the huddle and that play is being called you're looking at everybody's looking at each other you're looking at the guy's eyes and those eyes are saying something and what you want the eyeballs to say is confidence and we're going to go execute on this plate because of what we've gone through the tearing down and the building

back up and the confidence that comes from that. You know, Caleb, this might be a better question for your dad because he's been around the program for 24 years, but you did play under Coach Sabin. Do you see a lot of that same stuff we're talking about with Coach Bryant as what was used, maybe in different ways, because you can't get away with what Coach Bryant did in modern football anymore but maybe new ways to accomplish the same thing with coach saban oh yeah 100% you know um another project that um i produce is called um nothing but a winner and i'll let you know will when when that's coming out and um but basically that story not not to plug it but to plug it that you

asked about Coach Bryant, this is a, this is a documentary that tells the story, the history of football at the University of Alabama. And we, and, you know, we start with Coach Bryant and his process. And so you get this, this comparing contrast between Coach Bryant, all the coaches in between and Coach Saving, right? So having played for Coach Saven and lived in a house with a man who played for Coach Bryant, obviously, you know, him living through those stories, all of those lessons and principles being applied to our home and then me going and playing for Coach Saving, you know, yeah, it was a, I'm like, wow, this, these men mirror each other so much in their approach. And to your point, Will, yeah, of course, you know, Coach Saving couldn't do the things

that Coach Bryant to do. But I will tell you, I bet if it was legal, he would. I guarantee you, man, if he could do it, he would. And Coach Sabin, what I love, man, he just put such a emphasis on toughness, on mental toughness. And I tell you what, you know, going back to what you asked me about how hard this was to get accomplished from IP to show on network.

And I was sitting, I was thinking, like man how in the world golly how did i get this done and i just thought i'm like you know ever since i was this high being raised by my dad and then going and playing for coach savings like you're just taught to do the hard thing man and do and and really with no reward right like i was a walk on there was nothing promised to me you come here and you earn it and so you know I think the similarities there, you know, between Coach Brian and Coach Saving are, man, starkly similar, bro. They are just, I think, almost one in the same.

And I'll tell you this, having learned from my dad and hearing from my dad about the character, the compassion and love that Coach Bryant had, these, both of these men were just equal parts, that tough guy. but it came from a place in their heart of love and compassion of, I want to see you be great and I'm willing to push you as far as you're willing to go to be great. And dad, you should tell that story to, you know, tell the story to Will about your freshman year when Coach Bryant sat you down. What gave you that confidence as a freshman to say, you know, man, I can go play here. Because Will, you know, people don't know.

My dad was five, nine, 150 pounds. that out of them and bussing heads and being all-American and a baller you know yeah i tell you will as being around playing for coach brine and being around coach saving for 17 years what i love to tell people that about the two men that was very that they both had this character trait is their love for the game and they their love for their players. They, Coach Saban, he had that same type of love

Coach Bryant had for us. The thing that you knew about Coach Bryant, Will, from day one was he loved you as a person. I'm 18 years old. I'm a freshman there, 1979. We've been in camp. It's August. We're in camp for about four weeks back then, and about two weeks in the camp.

After the second practice, I come in into the locker room, and I got a pink sticky note on my locker, those old pink sticky notes. And basically, on the note, it said, Coach Bryant, want to see you. I'm sitting there like, man, well, I don't want to see him, especially one-on-one. You just had that fear of him. And so I go up to his office on the third floor of the Coliseum, and the secretary said, have a seat. He'll be with you in a minute.

minute, door opens, I walk in and it's like I have a Kodak moment of this. Coach Bryant smoking a Chesterfield cigarette, one of those that don't have a filter. And he's putting it in his ass tray, murmured some words for me to sit on his couch. I sat on the couch and the couch didn't have any legs on it. So your bottom was hitting the floor and you was looking up at him. looking down at you and his first words to me were you can play here at the University of Alabama. And if you knew anything about that 79, that 78 won the national championship and most of those guys were coming back. And I'm sitting there, he says, so when he says I could play,

I'm thinking, yeah, when my turn come, his next words were, you could play this year. If I'm talking to a big group, I say, and boy, did I? And that 10-minute conversation, him investing 10 minutes into me, I walked in that room 5-9, Will, I walked out 6-9. Look at that. When Coach Bryant told me I could play, nothing else mattered. I was going to go out each and every day.

and prove him right. Yeah. That's awesome. I want to ask you guys both this. I've talked about this. I used to talk sports on a daily basis exclusively. Now I talk more news and politics, but there's an overlap here. And it's this.

When I see Coach Sabin, and you used a word earlier, Jeremiah, and we hear this word a lot, so it's a little bit, it can become, it can sound cliched. but it has a ton of meaning. And the word you used was execute. So I've had this theory that I've talked about, like football is a different sport than other sports. It's different than basketball.

It's different than soccer, all of which success will be determined to some extent by system, not just an individual. But in those sports, an individual has the ability to sometime impose his will on others. That's less so in football. Not that it's absent, but less so. because it requires all those men on the field, like Bill Belichick, just to say, to do your job, to execute your job.

When the moment matters, you do what you're supposed to do. And sometimes if you freelance and do your own thing because you're great, you could actually hurt the entire operation. And it seems to me that Coach Saban for sure, because he's one I would have paid attention to. I'm too young to have outside of read about Coach Bryant. It's like he's changed offensive coordinators. he's changed defensive coordinators he's changed everything and then the players obviously what he was able to do caleb was on a year-in-year-out basis whether or not it's because he broke him down and built him up or whatever he got everybody and by the way the reason there's

overlap i think it's the most like the military i think football is the most militaristic sport there is you have to become a unit and you have to execute your job that's what we have to figure how to do together what do you think of that theory caleb no i agree you know i think about um the level of accountability when you when you talk about that i think it's a level of accountability and you see it you see it uh flow from the top down uh i i will never forget the first time i saw coach zavin lay into an assistant coach like you know what i mean i'm a freshman and i see him lay into a position coach i'm like Oh, yeah, yeah, this is, this is no joke.

Like his, he's going to get out. He's going to demand a result, well, out of every single body who is in that organization. It doesn't matter. It didn't matter if you were the nutritionist. It didn't matter if you were the trainer, you know, in the training room. there was a that was a standard right of excellence that he demanded out of everyone and he says it all the time he talks about how greatness and mediocrity they it cannot coexist it can't and I saw it happen to guys I saw guys come in my freshman year that just didn't last it just

you know it hit that system um that he created it weeded people out And, and I can't, man, I literally can't think of like where, where my life would have, what turn it would have gone. If I had not have chose to go to Alabama in those four years, it felt like the military, right? And I honestly, obviously, I understand it, you know, it's not. And I appreciate our, you know, men and women in the service. But the demand was just, it was out of this world. and then, you know, I can't imagine compared to what, you know, my dad went through. But, yeah, I would, I would say, I would, you know, in conclusion, like the accountability,

the level of accountability that was expected there was what I believe helped us win two national championships. Because it's not only, you know, you don't want to let your coach down and, you know, you want to keep your job on the field, but it's like you don't want to. let your teammates down. You know what I mean? That was that was what mattered I know on our winning teams. So the layup question for me from me for you guys would be tell me how coach DeBoer is similar to these guys. I'm not going to give you the layup question. Which by the way, I should apologize to you guys and all the Crimson Tide fans out there last week when I had coached bore on. I didn't do this but I have to take accountability. Is the, we

we bumped in with a shot of Auburn. It's like the only live shot we had in the state of Alabama was of Auburn. And here comes Coach DeBoer right in off that introduction, which I apologize to him for in real time. So the non-lay-up version of this question. You handled it well, Will. I had got to own it. It's an unforgivable sin.

So I'll go to you, Jeremiah. I guess I'll try to make it a less level of a lay-up question. How is Coach DeBoar? different from Coach Sabin and Coach Brian? I would say he understands the generation of athletes in the culture and how you're to communicate with them to get the most out of them based on how they've been, just our culture, how they've been raised, what's in the culture. How do you, you know, versus when I grew up and how, what was in the culture, and more freedom today in the culture, more things are, gives experience, you know, when you just look at things, it's technologically.

So with all that. You froze up there. You froze up for one second, Jeremiah. That's okay. We got you. Go ahead. Okay. So how do you, the game hadn't changed.

You're still blocking, tackling. It's a hard game. It's like you said, it's a militaristic type. So how do you still, how can you encourage an athlete to go out and do a game that's very difficult and pursue excellence at it? And I think that's where he, based on his age and just, just the age that he is and being able to transcend from or look at, you know, what it was back on how he grew up versus today. And he has the wisdom to be able to say, hey, guys, I am going to give you more of a

leadership role. I see that he, you know, with how he conducts himself in his relationship with the players. And he gives the players a lot of freedom to step up. up and be leaders, whereas to, you know, back when we play, you say, or even with Coach Saban, that, this is Coach Saban's team. This is Coach Bryant's team. Coach DeBoer is saying, hey, man, this is your team. And I'm looking for the leaders that want to do that. And I just think that that is where we're at in our culture. And he has the wisdom to be able to navigate that and to encourage young men to step up and be leaders.

So, Caleb, which by the way, everything just described by Jeremiah can be seen on the tide that binds inside Alabama football, which is on Fox Nation. I'm going to go back to the first answer you gave me, Caleb, and I told you I had some follow-ups. I'm really curious. Walk on. You said, I think you said you the first walk-on in the family, right? You said your brothers were recruited. Yeah, yeah. That makes you really interesting to me, you know?

I mean, there's a different, there's a different mentality and a different, maybe because you were two brothers and a father in the program, it wasn't quite the normal walk-on experience or maybe it was, you know, but I mean, I was a walk-on to a college sports team. It's a different, it's different than we asked you to come here. You know what I mean? I'm just kind of curious, I'm just curious, is how that motivated you, you know?

Even, even Caleb motivated you into what you're doing today. I'm curious if it didn't play a role today. Here you are doing something post-career, really impressive, and maybe your brothers are as well. But, you know, I just think that's a different kind of guy, the walk on. Yeah, and I think it goes to, it kind of plays into that, that thought I was talking about earlier of, like, I just, I would say that going,

from like the mentality you have to have um to go to uh to go and be a walk on at any level and any sport um it is you kind of get you got to be a little crazy because you're kind of you're like believe in like okay one day yeah i'm going to get the scholarship or i'm going to get some playing time or whatever and so your to me your your work ethic is just i mean it's dogish man it's it is relentless. It's tenacious. And that's, that's just how I was because you're being, I mean, you're, you're not somebody that they're looking at, right? They're not looking for you to come and contribute on Saturday in a way that their scholarship guys are, right? And so, you know, you're there to prepare those guys. So for me, I mean, I remember when I got, I got,

adjusted to being there and just how hard, you know, colleges, that level changed from high school to college, especially going to Alabama, man, once I got adjusted, I didn't say it got easier. Once I got adjusted and you're guarding Julio Jones every day in practice and you're having to give Julio Jones a legitimate look, right? It isn't, we're going 50%, you know, we, you know, it isn't, we're going halfway. It's like, no, we're going 100%. And Julio, matter of fact, he preferred that I would guard him at practice because I was out there like, man, look, I understand my role.

I bought into what I need to do. And I took it serious. Well, you know, we would have walk-on meetings. You know what I mean? We would, we would like give legitimate looks. We wanted to really be great. So anyway, you know, for me, translating to this business now and, you know, I started as an actor, right, and that's just a beast in itself because, you know, it really is, it sort of relates, right? You know, you're doing all of this work in auditions and you're going in these auditions and like, man, 99 times, you know, out of 100 is going to be no, right?

it's like you're not getting this payoff. So you're doing a lot of work for minimal reward. And that just did something to me. And so when it translated over to producing and getting this done, man, it was like two years of working relationships, doing pre-production, building, and all of those things figuring out how we wanted to do this before we actually got a yes, right, from the university.

And once we got the yes, coach savor retired so then it was like i had to start all the way over again in that process with you know a new administration basically but you know all of the work we did up to that point is what gave us the credibility um to go in there and for gregg burn and in coached a bore to allow us to come in and do something that hadn't been done in 17 seasons yeah you said something that really resonates with me uh there keb first of all that mentality of the walk on it's like you got to have enough confidence to believe that you can do this whatever it is you want to do and enough lack of ego to deal with what you just like oh yeah

everyone's going to let you know that you can't so it's a weird combination of a lack of ego but a high level of confidence and then i've always said this about my career i never cared about the ratio. I'll take 99 knows for the one yes. It's no problem. Yeah, absolutely. Because all I need is the one yes. The ratio doesn't matter. Yeah, right. So I think that's really cool, man. I think your personal story in bringing this project together is really cool, as is the project itself, the tide that binds inside Alabama football. You hear a lot of the kind of stories that these two fine gentlemen have shared with us today, which speaks really highly. If there wasn't enough already speaking really highly of University of Alabama football.

So Caleb and Jeremiah still thank you guys so much for being with me today and sharing these stories. Thank you, Will. Enjoyed it. Hey, we appreciate it, Will. Yeah. All right. Appreciate you guys.

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Treascial radio across this great United States of America. Always available, Spotify, Apple, for download and subscription. And always Monday through Thursday right here at Fox News, YouTube, and Fox News, Facebook. All right, the story is that ESPN last week announced they, have parted ways with major league baseball they will no longer be airing major league baseball games leaving us without opportunities i guess to talk about things like the new york yankees doing away with their facial hair policy no beards in the past two days couldn't play couldn't have played for the yankees nope i tried but didn't work out do you think the the the yankees have loosened to this

policy right when the beard do you think is the beard going to go away is it's the beard going to go away Is it out, like, you know, I was a beard guy for, just in the world, in America. No, definitely not. We've got our first vice presidential beard since, like, since 1928. I sort of feel like the beard, and of course I did the beard for about five years, and then I stopped because of the, the Yankee policy at Fox. Yeah, way better. There's a good Instagram going around about the debate.

for men. It's like, you're not there yet two days, but like, people, this is one of the reasons people accuse me of dye in my hair, which I don't, is that my beard is pretty gray, but my hair, my head, the hair on my head is not. So it's like, okay, you grow the beard and you look, what is it, more in shape and chiseled, right? But with the gray, you look older, or do you shave the beard, and you look fatter, but younger? So it's fatter, and younger versus older and cooler. Depends how long your beard is, too. Like, I'm going gray.

My beard, I don't care. I can't see it right now. What's up, tinfoil? I don't understand this policy change because the end facial hair right now in baseball is the mustache. Like, you see Spencer Strider and Paul. It's back.

Yeah, I mean, all these guys have mustaches. Well, what happened with that was a bunch of girls on TikTok, said they found the mustache is hot from the movie Top Gun Maverick that's what happened ever since Top Gun Maver came out the mustache's back Riley Greene did it everything is

Morgan Wallin everything is cyclical it's all cyclical you know I mean the mustache was in in the 80s my dad was a mustache guy mine too Tom Selick in the 80s you know Don Mattingley

yeah so the Yankees allowed mustaches they didn't allow beards so Mattingley could have a mustache but no beard And Aaron Judge had a great quote about this. He goes, if you didn't come to the Yankees just because of that policy, you shouldn't be Yankee. Is what it is.

Would the Yankees allow you to do what tinfoil is doing? Could you do a goatee or was it only a mustache? No? I think that would be a little too much for the Yankees. Didn't David Wells have one on the Yankees? Oh, yeah. I think David Wells had one. It was small, though.

It was real small. Let's see. You'd have to like quarter-size that thing. The goatees got, just stick around, Patrick. five years the goatees in within five oh no the goatee was 90s when I was in college yeah you're right the entire water polo team had goatees I did I should amend that sorry I'm amend that

everybody that could have a goatee had a goate what about what about what do you call the sideburns were you were you sideburns guy ever yeah I think so definitely but that doesn't feel like a like I wasn't doing a thing You know what I mean, like... Not like mutton chops. Well, like, you know, now you say that.

Luke Perry on 902.10 had sideburns, and then we all had sideburns. It was like right here. Yeah, just kind of towards the bottom of your ear. Yeah. But it wasn't like a long shaggy sideburn type thing. It was just a... Extension of your hair. Whatever.

What's normal on that? Like, I go about a notch down is what I do on my sideburn. Turn to the side of them see. You know what I mean? It's not... Yeah, that's normal. Yeah. That's what a hairdresser will do without you asking.

Right. You don't ever make that choice when you have a beard. No, sir. Yeah, I think that the Yankees are doing this, right? I think the beard's going to go away. I think the beard... The beard wasn't a thing in the 90s and 80s. Definitely was not.

Maybe in the 70s the beard was the thing. Well, they instituted the policy in 1975 when, like, the 70s beards were really, really scraggly. Yeah. You look back on all the pictures. Like biker beards, like the long, you know. Oh, like Kenny Powers type. Yeah. Kenny Powers had the goatee, though.

He did. Yeah, he didn't have, like the hair, the back hair was scraggly. Who was that pitcher who had the dyed black beard on the Giants? What's his name? He threw like a million miles an hour. Brian Wilson. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

See, that's a beer. The Yankees would be okay. It was like down to here. Because the policy's well kept. So as long as it's like... My high school baseball coach instituted this and we thought he was ridiculous. We're like, we're playing high school baseball, relax.

Well, you got a lot of those in high school baseball. Well, I couldn't have done a beard in high school, so it wouldn't have been a problem. I couldn't do a beard in college. Just physically? It wouldn't have been a problem. No. I could not do a beard in college.

Huh. The beard was a very hipster style, you know, back, you know, what, in the tens, teens. So I think that it's phased out to the mustache, and now the goatee is probably next. The beard in the 90s was like a high school or a youth pastor look. Like, you know, like what you're doing, yeah, what you're doing two days, that was definitely like a youth pastor look. Pastor Dan's. I literally, I literally was a youth pastor or youth.

Were you really? Yeah, he's still in the Catholic Church, yeah. I was a peer minister. Full of surprises. Full of surprises. Yeah, so ESPN cancels their rights to major league baseball. Okay, I almost feel like it's a trailing indicator. I think, look, having hosted a show on ESPN for five years, a national sports talk show,

we knew what you could and couldn't talk about that would rate. And baseball didn't rate. It just didn't rate. Nationally, people don't want to hear about baseball. And if we're being real, they also don't really want to hear about anything outside of NFL quarterbacks. It's not even just the NFL. You can't break down a Jaguars Dolphins game and expect someone outside of Florida to care. They do not care. And unless you're talking about Trevor Lawrence versus Tuotung Viloa and who you have rated higher, right? Then, okay,

they can get in on it. And it's just, it represents the total fracturization of our attention. And I think this is a thing for sports going forward. You know, because I know that I know that a lot of media companies are very interested in sports as a content, as a content production. You know what I mean? More podcasts on sports. But I think you have a real challenge thinking about what's going to appeal and what kind of audience is you want to pull. But in a way, I'm not that upset about this.

I don't know how you guys consume, but I think I told you guys this on a phone call the other day. I know the Texas Rangers minor league system I couldn't name you many of the Yankees starters like their starting rotation I couldn't name it I know the Dallas Stars prospects but I mean

if we did a game right now could I name all the NHL hockey teams I might be able to do that but that's going to be tough you know the NBA has a little bit more of a national pull but my point is you care about what you care about

is local when it comes to sports and I think college is the best example of that you really, really care about your college team but my eyes roll every time Patrick brings up Florida State. What's up, tinfoil? Go ahead, tinfoil. I think you have a really good point there. One thing that I didn't really think about is the fact that the baseball rights were only for like one night a week

versus the NBA rights, which are for multiple nights a week. So it made a lot more financial sense to recoup your investment. Well, and think about what they aired. They erred Yankees, Dodgers, and maybe a World Series champion, right? Meaning like, okay, I can do this. Who won? Do the Rangers wanted a year ago? Who won them?

Who is the sitting World Series champion? They beat the New York Yankees. You named them. You already said it. They beat the Dodgers. The Dodgers. They chewed. So if it's not the Dodgers

Let's say it is the Rangers They'll get a they would have got one of those Maybe just one by the way Of those ESPN games So that's what it became Yankees, Yankees Dodgers and a game or two from the World Series champion Maybe the Cubs got in

ESPN's wheelhouse And the Red Sox Go ahead two days No especially with watching on TV I can't being in New York I can't barely watch a Yankee game If I don't have cable in the ES network So I have to pay for separate

service to watch Yankee games in New York, which is ridiculous. I mean, so the ESPN would have them randomly, or on a random Thursday, it'll be on Amazon Prime or something like that. So it's ridiculous with the TV rights and trying to find a game. I wonder if the streaming services

will pick up, how Major League Baseball will play out with the streaming services. We had Brad Albert, the president of the Dallas Stars on the Canaan Sports Friday show, and it was fascinating to talk about how they're going to be distributing Stars games. And by the way, because they were part of the whole Bally's bankruptcy, right?

But so were a ton of baseball teams. And all of them are trying to figure out how to air their games going forward. And this is back to the fracturization thing. You've got to find your local market that cares about you and figures out how to consume you and how you monetize them. That's, that's – and by the way, that's also the old model of you make your revenue from TV. They're going to find new revenue streams. This is where gambling comes in.

And I'm not sure gambling is or should be the answer. but this is why they're also focused on gambling because they have to replace the business model that's been there for half a century, which is television fuels sports revenue. It's true. Yeah, the ESPN presidents, the old one said it, or old CEO said it on our show, that live games is the only real business model there anymore. But that point is what live games? what live games

by the way that was on our Super Bowl episode here of the Will Kane show and I was with somebody the other day and women's volleyball came up and I told that story I said yeah the former president of ESPN he told me the best undiscovered sport when it comes to entertainment and rights is women's volleyball and they're like it's true

it's really entertaining really good I was like what's the demographic breakdown on that yeah who's watching that I don't know I do but I also think

it's symptomatic of our attention our fractured attention there's just too many entertainment options you know I just did a new TV series by the way

that I really liked you guys ever heard of taboo yeah I love it Tom Hardy you watched it yeah Tom Hardy is on my list of guys I've realized

if he's in it I'm probably in I'm probably in agreed I just like watching that dude act i think he is captivating and uh the show is what do you think it's a it's a b i didn't finish it to be honest so it was a it didn't catch my attention enough to finish it was c plus probably well well it catches my attention because of tom hardy and it's 1814 england and i just

like that time frame you know and it's about like it's rough adventures and explorers roughly it's about that it's a rough time to live so it's just Yeah, it's rough. What did they do about their teeth? They still don't do anything about their teeth. Sorry. When did we get to modern hygiene, oral hygiene? When did we get to that?

I want to do a deep dive on that. Because those teeth were rough back then. And what were they doing? Some horsehair toothbrushes? Do they have toothpaste? What were they doing? And were they doing it once a week? did they all have horrific breath

and gum disease These are the questions I want to know the answer to Mid-19th century toothpaste and tube form becomes more widely available allowing for easier application 18th century the first commercially produced toothbrush is credited 18th century so that's the 1700s

Yeah 18th century 1815 the concept of dental floss was used so let's just rewind the clock to American Revolution 1776 so the smell guy and girl like each other guy and girl like each other right do they just set breath aside

is it like a thing like it's not a thing because everybody has because everyone does because they were drinking so much that it doesn't you don't yeah kills all the bacteria in your mouth because you didn't have really clean water sources and stuff So you drink, yeah, there was a lot more alcohol consumption. It's like if two people smoke cigarettes, right? You don't, the other person doesn't notice that you're smoking, the smell of smoke because you're both doing it.

So you both get used to the smell. And it's the same thing with that, I'm sure, I'm sure. So they didn't think, I love her, but her breath stinks. Well, but everybody's breast stinks. They didn't think that. They just didn't think it stunk because they were nose deaf. Yeah, they were nose deaf Because they all stunk

Yeah That's interesting Get cursed decephano Talk about it again We'll bring them back Oral hygiene history Yeah Yeah

And general hygiene Like In taboo They're dirty all the time Like How much did you bathe in the Old West Once a week like that's got to be horrible

the first shower was invented patented in England in 1767 it was a hand pump system so before that no showers they weren't a standard feature in homes until the 1950s my goodness but they were taking bats

yeah they were taking bats community baths too go to like the local YMCA imagine that water in the Roman vats. Wow. Our ratings just I'm just thinking about romance.

I'm thinking about romance back then, not just the oral hygiene, but again, like, I was thinking about this one I was watching the show. You know, like you ever seen the old West shows

where they go into town and they get a bath and then they hook up, you know? Did they do that? Before the hookup or after the hookup? Do you know what I mean? Like... Both, I would hope.

When do you take... Well, they were expensive and time-consuming. The baths. They'd fill them up with warm water. So... I don't know. These are things I need some answers to. Back to ESPN baseball.

Today at 4 p.m. The Fox News channel. Dive into hygiene in the 1800s. Do you block? Yep. Too bad for Major League Baseball. In conclusion, too bad for Major League Baseball. and ESPN.

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