Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus - Presenting: Julia on Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

The Wiser Than Me team is taking a little holiday break, but while we’re away, we’re excited to share a few conversations with friends. Today, we’re bringing you Julia’s recent appearance on Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers. Each week, brothers and comedians Seth and Josh Meyers chat with guests about their most memorable family vacations. In this episode, Julia joins the Meyers brothers alongside her own sons to relive some legendary family trips. Subscribe to Family Trips wherever you get podcasts, and watch Seth and Josh on YouTube.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you get your podcasts. Happy holidays from all of us here at Wiser Than Me. Hey, Baji. Hey, Sufi. So we're recording this before you come out and do the Thanksgiving show with mom and dad. Yeah. It's an annual tradition. I guess this is the 12th year or the 11th year. It must be the 11th year. I don't know. So however many years you've been on the air with that show. No way to know.

No. Do you look forward to this tradition, Pashi? I do. I mean, I do get nervous. Yeah. There's always an element of nerves around it. And I forget, like, I mean, you guys are so good for people who don't do this show every night. Because even like, you know, celebrities who come on talk shows who do other talk shows get nervous.

It's a whole different thing. It's not a normal thing. Yeah. I have, I know of, you know, a celebrity who would sort of, is a household name, who has a couple beers before every talk show appearance. And it just sort of like eases them into it. And so I think that that's a wise approach and maybe I'm going to do something similar. Well, we always have drinks out there. On the show.

Yeah, we've drink on the show. But I think you can have a drink before the show at this point in our process of doing it. Yeah. Mom and dad are probably going to come with stories. Mom, you know, mom's been red hot the last couple of years. Yeah. I mean, they're both so practiced at this point. Dad's like, dad's classically growing up, you know, he was the storyteller.

Yeah. But mom has, she's got an edge. that, you know, she has such a sweet appearance, but then she throws out some barbs. Yeah, she's got some barbs. It's a good way to put in it. I feel like the audience always appreciates that. I certainly do.

Dad is, like, so confident he's surprised he hasn't been booked on, like, other talk shows. That's kind of dad's vibe. Yeah. I'm very much looking forward to it. I think we're going to try to get you guys to do a skit again. Oh, great. Yeah. That's an extra special part for me.

And then we're going to have our our fakesgiving. Yeah, we've, you know, for years and years, we would have Thanksgiving with this family from Amsterdam, the Moskoses, first with just the parents. And then they had two boys who are now, I don't know, 23 and 21, something like that. We've been doing it for a long time. And they have started coming to New York so we could have a sort of. pseudo Thanksgiving dinner that we do on Tuesday night. Tuesday night. And I think we're 20 people strong this year.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's a really good group. And I look forward to that. And it's very fun to be at a Thanksgiving dinner that's a fake Thanksgiving dinner because that way I don't have to invite my children. And at no point while I'm enjoying my dinner, does someone say to me like, try to get Axel to eat his green beans? I like that.

I've also, you know, we've always played games with this family. Also, I should say, you know, my mother-in-law will be there. My wife will be there. But I have sent you a couple games, which are arriving today. Okay. So just keep those on hand. Because Wednesday, we, you know, we tape the show on Wednesday, and then we go back to your house for sort of a double dip,

and we get some Chinese food and we hang out and play games. So hopefully that game night's going to be a fun. Very much looking forward to it. Um, we have had a lot of different combinations of guests. We've had, um, uh, mother daughter. Uh, we've had married couples. We've had, uh, sisters. Mm-hmm.

This is a new combo for us coming up. Yeah. Maybe, maybe my favorite combo we've ever had. Yeah. Well, I mean, the top of this pyramid is tough to be. Yeah. So you got, you got, we got mom and two sons already great. When then the mom is, uh, Julie Dreyfus.

Come on now. Yeah. Come on now. And her two sons, which it's also, you know, one of them played basketball at Northwestern, which was huge for us. We were clearly rooting on this young man while he was at Northwestern. And that was very exciting. I do want to say as well, we mention Meow in this episode. I don't know if we ever are very clear about what it is.

Great. But Meow is the sound of cat. makes also it's the college improv troupe it's the northwestern improv troupe that julia was a member of and both of us were members of when we were there yeah um and uh you know we certainly talked from northwestern but uh julia and her husband both northwestern yeah and uh charlie our mom and dad both northwestern in this one so if you uh if you went to university of university of Illinois might not be for you. We don't really have a rival.

I was trying to think of like what Northwestern's rival is. And we don't really have a right. When you're not a juggernaut in sports, you don't really end up with. Yeah. It's who we play last every year. So I feel like that's the closest you can come. Yeah. Do please enjoy it.

Thanks for listening, everybody. Family chips With the mother's brothers Here we go Hi Hi Henry, hello Julia Hey guys

Hi friends I'm so happy to see you guys I'm really Josh and I are both hoping this will lead us to getting booked on your podcast Julia So just everywhere Yeah because you're both

70-year-old women. Is that correct? You have a lot to share. Heart. I mean, I love your podcast as a, you know, approaching 50-year-old man. I feel like I have a lot to learn from these women as well. Well, you do, Josh. I do.

Not me. Has that ever occurred to you? I got nothing to learn from them. Interesting, Henry. Interesting. And you feel like because you already know it or because they're just spreading lies? Which one? You know, a little from Collin, May, a little from Collin.

And Henry, did you write the song? Did you write the theme song to that? Yeah, yeah. I wrote all the music for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Recorded it with some friends of mine. What is that process like, Julie, when you're getting first drafts of music from your son? Do you guys have a good back and forth creatively as far as, like, notes? I'd actually like Henry to answer that question. Do we? Honestly, yes. Absolutely. You've good, you've good taste in music, mom. are you bullshitting right now a little bit no no I did my

I did my sarcastic bit about about the wise old women I don't think I want to double down you spent that for you knew you had one bullet you just walked into the saloon and just fired it into the ceiling yeah yeah just buckshot

all over the podcast did you as a were you a family as a musician were you a family that agreed on music when you were growing up Henry? Yes. My dad, luckily, you guys showed me, they should, you know, my dad showed me like the Smiths and, you know, I, the generation, it's not like my parents were listening to like Benny Goodman and, um, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, Benny Goodman is good, of course, but, but there's the, remember she talks to a lot of, very old women.

Yeah, right, right, right. But my dad was like, you know, check out the Smiths

and check out Paul Simon and all this music that is cool, no matter what, you know, it's evergreen. Was there like an artist

that was like the family artist? Like for us, it would have been John Prine, probably. Yeah. Was there sort of,

yeah. Who were your touchstone? Like, Beatles, without a doubt. Yeah, my dad is like in, you know, he knows as much about the Beatles as I do about the Simpsons, which is saying something. Right. And I'm a big Simpsons fan. And, yeah, Beatles, like a lot of that, like North England's, you know, early 80s, Joy Division, Smith's, you know, factory, like music, that stuff.

Bonnie Rae. Bonnie Rae was the one person at the SNL-50th my wife wanted to meet and get a picture with. And with good reason. And it was one of those, you know, don't meet your heroes. And if it's Bonnie Ray, go right ahead. Without question.

Yeah. Without question. I remember years and years gone, I don't know if you remember this, Henry. We went to some sort of a fundraiser and Bonnie was sort of headlining it. And Henry, you came. And she,

played guitar for a long period of time, and your job was on the ground. Do you kind of remember that or not really? I have to be honest. I don't remember that. So anyway, a huge influence in his life. I feel like that's, I mean, I would imagine, like due to the life your parents have left, you got a lot of incredible experiences that would have resonated with a lot of other kids that just went, you know, in one ear, out the other. Yeah, I hope so. I hope I lack perspective. That's all I can really. I will say something that Henry did a show in L.A.

And a couple of the writers from Veep went to the show, one of whom was in Maxstone Graham. I don't know if you guys know him. Famous Simpson's writer as well. Exactly. Bingo. And he's actually a big fan of Henry's music. and he came and met him that night. And then afterwards, everybody was sort of hanging out.

And I go up to these guys, and all they're doing is recounting Simpson episodes to one another. It was the most extraordinary thing to witness. It was so charming, really, because Ian was enjoying the conversation as much as you were, Henry, because you were just like reciting Simpson scenes back and forth to one another. Do you remember this? Absolutely. We were being completely anti-social. Yes.

And, you know, saying whatever. I mean, my dream is to be at a party and sort of a young talented person just wants to talk about my work. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Totally.

Yeah. We, it's funny, you mentioned the Beatles. Because famously, our dad doesn't like the Beatles, which is just an incredible position to hold. Yeah. And I remember, my best friend from college, Pete Gross, who was in VIP. Oh, yes, of course.

And I remember we did an improv show once, and my dad was there, and my dad was underwhelmed. He's also a real straight talker, and he sort of gave us the notes about how he was underwhelmed. And then my Pete goes, we do have to keep in mind, he also doesn't like the Beatles. Wow, that's awesome. That's an incredible safety net. Yeah, yeah. By the way, I had the same experience. My dad did not like the Beatles.

Is that true, Mom? I didn't know that. Yeah. Big Pop was always telling Brad that he was wrong and that the Beatles were not just bad, but awful. Yeah. Wow. He thought they were awful. Yeah.

Did your dad also have some harsh notes about the Meow Show? Yes. As a matter of fact, he had harsh notes about the Meow Show. He had harsh notes about SNL. He had harsh notes about. He had very pleasant notes for all the other people I was working with. Yeah. She's good.

Yeah. He's a genius. That guy can, that guy knows what he's doing. Yeah. That kind of stuff. It was really, it was, it was, it was very healthy. Yeah. Well, it's good.

I mean, again, I, I mean, I've always said, like, my mom was the one who was supportive of everything we did no matter how bad. And then our dad only ever gave us credit for the very top tranche of work we did. And I do think it's nice to have one of each. I guess so. I mean, like, what does he like that you've done? Well, you know, it's early in my career. This is what, year two, Seth? It's year two.

Yeah. He, I think he was happiest, much like, I think a lot of viewers, I think he was happiest when I found my way to the update desk. He was like, no more sweaty sketches for me, please. I'd like you just sitting in one place. He's like, I like when I can tell you're reading stuff other people wrote. Oh, God. It's proof that his son can read.

He's complimentary in the right, for the right thing. Yeah. I mean, we do, Charlie is going to grace us with his presence, I believe. So we'll get to some family trips that include all of you. But before he does, Julia, what were your family trips growing up? Where would you guys go? Where did you grow up first? and then where would you go?

Well, I grew up in New York City and Washington, D.C., both. And we primarily went to... Baltimore. Yeah. We primarily went to ski resorts in the humid month of August. On the East Coast. This is what I remember. Yeah, no, please.

And then my parents, this is my mom and my stepdad, they put together a really big trip for us to take when I was 18 and with my two younger sisters. And we went to Scotland. And it rained the entire time. We were there. and my sister, who was nine at the time, my little sister, Lauren, she refused to eat anything because, you know, it was like scotch eggs and haggis and everything freaked her out. So by the end of the trip, she looked like she needed to be hospitalized because she was so gone.

The only thing we could get her to eat were those ice creams. those Cadbury vanilla ice creams with the chocolate stick coming out of it that they do in Europe. So she ate a lot of those. But that was kind of it. Yeah. Yeah. And the sweaty ski mountains that you would go to, what were you there to hike or just to enjoy? Well, to try not to get bitten by mosquitoes.

That was one activity. and another activity was just trying to find boys, which I never seemed to find. Well, did they ever tell you they're here in the winter? You should try in the winter. There was nobody. I mean, I remember watching Sonny and Cher in a rental cabin. I remember watching the Sunny and Share show. And that was really fun, that part of it.

Well, it's good to have highlights. I will say, you know, and again, I'm sure it's better. The Scots are not known for their cuisine, and hopefully they will not take offense. Well, I'm sure they have taken offense, FYI. And I think I've been to Scotland subsequently, and they've up to their cuisine game without question. I once the dumbest thing I ever did at a charity auction was I was the first bidder on a week at a Scottish castle and I had been uh I was a little I'd had a couple of drinks and was feeling a little frisky and raised my paddle kind of and it was a real high starting bid but I assumed like in this you know this room full of Tony people but it felt like it was a trap bid because as soon as I raised my paddle they were like going once going twice sold like I was like oh no

And Josh was with us We went to the castle And how to go It was A lot of Scottish castles It turns out Upkeep hasn't been a big part of it Yeah

That's not a priority I would say it was very It was a breezy Castle And but I remember the first meal It felt like the chef at the castle Was maybe 17 years old And they rolled up coal cuts

It was like a thing of turkey And a thing of cheese And a thing of ham And they rolled it into little like tubes. Oh, that sounds clever. Yeah. It was, uh, Alexi was, uh, early pregnant with our first and she still this day says it's

the worst trip of her life. Awesome. We did some cool stuff, but there, like, there was, there were chicken breasts that were, uh, like the breading was corn flakes. Um, like cereal. Which is, yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah.

It wasn't. It wasn't the best food on that trip. Yeah. Um. Did you, uh, did you know your, uh, did you know your, uh, grandfather well Henry you seemed surprised that he didn't know the Beatles was he a part of your life growing up he he was a part of my life that that detail was left out about not liking the Beatles um but he liked other stuff he liked the new york jets did you have a where were grandparents a big part of trips for you guys

growing up um we let's see yeah kind of we did a lot of nuclear family um trips though i would say Not a lot of, yeah. I mean, we would go to visit grandparents. That's, I mean, in other words, but we wouldn't go, well, with the exception of going to Wyoming when you were younger, we wouldn't really go on trips with them. It was, we went to Thanksgiving a few times in D.C. and stuff like that. Yeah, right. Classically had our most chaotic worst Thanksgiving in Washington, D.C., with our grandparents and what happened.

It's the season. Yeah, sure, it is the season indeed, yeah. We all congregate in D.C. for Thanksgiving and we're all cooking and everything. A plague descends upon the entire family. Everyone is deathly ill the entire time, really, really sick. Then on top of that, every. dish is ruined in some way. The gravy is like gelatinous. It looks like a volcano. One of those volcanoes science experiments. It's, you know, the weather's really bad. Everything, everything.

Wait, and I have to interject. There was one moment in which your cousin, who was like three at the time, she had gotten particularly ill and violent diarrhea and vomiting. And she, I just remember, She had had a terrible accident, and her dad, your uncle, was carrying her with her arms out like this and telling her to keep her arms straight and not move while he carried her under the armpits sort of across the room because she had just had some explosion happen, and he was telling her not to move. And we're trying to try to put together this family meal as this sort of. of like time it felt like a bomb had gone off and he's taking her across the room and she's like this terrified anyway carry on yeah my dad still does that to me to this guy there's aren't even stuck in doorways though yeah you just go no you just go sideways yeah yeah you got to take your losses honestly otherwise it's a really good thing to do you know what doesn't work i found

with my three young children anytime you tell them don't move you know what I mean like It just immediately they feel as though that's a trap. Yeah. We always refer to our family as a core four, which is what you guys are. Same thing, two boys. And that's Josh and I, our family. But we took a lot of vacations just the four of us. And we would, the same thing.

Like, we would visit grandparents, but mercifully never had them like on an airplane with us. Which I think is a way better life to live. We definitely didn't do that either. But it's funny you say that about all boys. because when the kids were little, we took them to Tanzania, and we were on safari. And we got there, and I'm going to say Charlie was seven, maybe, and Henry was 12. And the leader of our— No, I was like 16, and Charlie was 12.

Okay, sorry. So, and so we get there, 16 and 12, and the leader of our group says, starts to say sort of the rules of camp, because it wasn't like—it wasn't like we were standing. in a resort we were staying intense out in the bush you know and uh he says okay now the first rule of camp is no running and i remember thinking oh my god this was a huge mistake i have two boys who are being told not to run because they are prey here out in prey and pray and and uh that was we got sick on that trip too hen yeah yeah yeah everybody got really sick on that trip too yeah is this just coincidence that it's the first two or are you just kind of very sickly as a family we carry around a plague wherever we go yeah we try to i mean nothing's worse than the moment where the first one gets sick

and you know it's coming for everyone. Everyone. Yeah, that's true. God, is that the truth? Yeah, you've got no choice. So what about, did you guys ever, I mean, imagine, look, you are your family, you live in Los Angeles. Did you ever, were you ever in a road trip, the four of you? Did you guys ever drive anywhere?

We drove to Yosemite once? Yeah, we drove to Yosemite. We didn't take long, long car rides. Yeah. Did we? How about that for an answer? No, but Yosemite. is a drive.

Yosemite's a drive. Yeah. Yeah. I've done that drive. We actually, we stayed, um, we stayed at the, um, the place where the, the, the, the, the, the set of the shining is like, the, the, the set of the shining is sort of based off of, didn't we? Or we visited there or something like that. It was spooky. Was that in, is that in Estes Park in Colorado or is that in where Yosemite is?

No. No. The second I said that, I realized, that's not true. That's made up, what I used to. It's made up, but it looks like it. It was that fancy, it was that Awani Hotel. Yes, sorry. Do you think at this point, there's a chance, though, your parents just lied to you on that drive and now you're, you're having, like, a seated memory?

Yeah, my parents lied to me a lot, so. Were you, that's, you have a bit of an age gap with Charlie. Were you guys close growing up? Yes, we, we were close. We're very close now. I thought you're going to say we were And now it's, yeah There's a reason

Let's just say there's a reason He's late to the podcast Yeah, he's waiting for me to log off No, yeah, we Five years, you know, when I was like 15 and he was 10 That was not, I did not like him very much Yeah

Did he want to be just all up in your business? No, he was honestly completely fine I was just, I just unloaded all of my, anything, you know, he was the, my punching bag metaphorically. Well, and in fact. And, and in, for real, too. Yeah, they used to, when you were a little younger than that, they used to play a game called Lighthouse College. Yeah. And they would both be going to a Lighthouse College.

And usually Henry was the wrestling coach. Yeah, I was a wrestling coach. And I was a really, I was a nasty professor, too. Oh, wow. If Charlie wasn't, if Charlie wasn't paying attention, I would throw books at him. Yeah, or you would beat him up and wrestle him as the coach. And that was essentially Lighthouse College. Yeah, you know, Lighthouse is the funding at Lighthouse College was really a huge issue.

Yeah. Most of the professors had two jobs. By the way, this really speaks to what of the showbiz family are. Most kids just wrestle and you guys built this like the world building that went into it. Yeah, we did some major. They don't have a lot of money. Yeah. Here's the elevator pitch, Charlie.

The wrestling coach probably has failed at previous schools. This is his last stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's working for scale. And then you just wail on each other like any kids. Yeah. Did you, were there years where you and Brad were aware, Julie, of like, oh, my God, the strain that Charlie is causing Henry with just being, like, younger and

irritating or is it just like, yeah. Yeah. Do you ever aware of the trauma you'd inflicted on him? Yes. Exactly. By having a second child. Yeah, we should, I mean, to be honest, we shouldn't have had Charlie. It was a mistake. Oh, finally someone says it. Jesus. Finally. Have you guys, as you've gotten older, do you still go on family trips, the four of you together? Or has life gotten too fast for that? Yeah, well, actually, I don't know if this, I got back less than 24 hours ago. go from Indonesia with my dad and I went there together on a surf group. So I'm, this is me, I'm running on fumes.

What brought, what was the, the impetus for you and your dad taking a two-man trip to Indonesia? Good question. We are surfers, so grew up surfing my whole life. Yeah, yeah. And Indonesia is sort of the number one destination for surf in the whole world. So this is our second time. aggressive surfing like how big are these waves how good does one have to be to go where you went

i would say sort of like back going being able to go in the back country skiing is that's that's a sort of similar that's a comparison people you're going to run into a lot of people though who uh shouldn't be out there though yeah uh unfortunately it's become very very crowded and and stuff Well, I'm going to interject and say, Henry is being humble. He's a very good surfer, and he competed when he was younger, and so that's me. Showbiz family. My mom is also my publicist. And mom a jerk.

Now that we've done that, though, how good is Brad really? Brad can't surf. He rips. He's one of the people that Henry was politely saying probably shouldn't be out there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did, how old were you when you started surfing?

Was that something that happened out of, like, a vacation or just from being a West Coaster? That's from my dad being from Santa Barbara. Got it. I would say, yeah. He pushed me into a wave for the first time when I was four, four years old. Yeah, so it's in the blood. It's such a bummer when you hear, like, your kids are already older, like, when it starts for, like, really good servers. I mean, I'm sure they can pick it up now, but it's, of course, you see.

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So, you know, they have that excursion for the most part on their own. But I've been to a few places with you guys and then, you know, because there were other people. Oh, look who it is. Yeah. Oh, Charlie. Hi, honey. Hello. Hopefully you guys were in a conversational flow that I've ruined. No, no, no.

You've showed up just a time. These guys were both kind of running on our steam. Yeah. Perfect. They tend to do that. Wait, but Charlie, does this? Are you not a surfer then, Charlie? We're talking about a surfer.

I'm not a surfer. I used to be kind of a surfer sort of, but no, Henry's the surfer. Did you, from the very beginning, did you kind of know, like, I can do this, but I don't really love it the way my dad and my brother love it? Yes. Yeah. I was, I'm like, too tall for. surfing. Yeah. Yeah.

And also isn't that sort of an expression is Charlie don't surf? Yeah, Charlie don't surf. Yeah. Yeah. I also, I like that it's like, I'm just like too handsome. I'm too handsome to surf. I'm like too tall and handsome and strong. I just think my center of gravity is too high.

I'll just, I just fall. I'll say this too about Charlie. Charlie is highly competitive. And to the point where he'll hedge his bets on something. So I think he had a young age. saw that my dad and I just inherently had, you know, X amount of years of experience surfing over him. And he was like, mm, okay. He, like, did the math in his tiny brain.

Yeah, and he went basketball. Yeah, I'm going to play basketball instead of this. I do, your dad is famously tall, Charlie. I feel like, and yet he's managed to figure out surfing? That is correct. Just not to undercut your defense of why. Now I feel like an idiot. But, yeah.

There's also a rigmarole to surfing. Like, you've got to, you know, you have to, like, change in and out of things. You have to bring a lot of stuff. It's, like, sandy. There's, like, things about it that I don't totally judge. I mean, that's the way I feel about skiing, which Josh and my dad love. And I was, again, it was just the gear. It's oppressive.

It's gnarly, yeah. There's a lot of it. Wait a minute. Seth, you don't ski? I do ski, but I just don't like it. And I will say, like, now that my boys, ski and my daughter like we they ski every weekend in the winter we take them to like a little sort of shitty east coast mountain yeah in connecticut and i love i love being on the mountain with

my kids but like when i was younger i josh and my dad would take ski trips and i would always be like i think i'm good or we would go out and then it would get cold and seth and my mom would be like we're going to go to the lodge and we're going to tap out yeah got it on this peru trip was uh were you on that as well charlie did you go to peru i absolutely was and so you and your mother would go off and do something else i'm assuming or would uh julia would you sort of kick him into some kids camp and then you yeah i would just give him to whatever babysitter i could find um uh i'm trying to i mean we did sort of it was a real sort oh that's right we went to we did we did we did the standard you know looking at macho peacho and stuff like that but then we did take

the guys and we went into the rainforest, and that was miserable, if I could be so bold as to say it. I mean, this was right before Brad and Henry were going to go off surfing, and we were in the rainforest, and we were getting, once again, getting out of the boat to sort of go to this echo lodge in the middle of the rainforest, but you had to walk in the water away, And this was, yeah, this was the river where they have those fish or something that can swim up your urethra. Oh, yeah, those, yeah, yeah. You know those fish. Yeah, every guy knows about those fish. As soon as you learn about them, you never forget. Those are real fish.

Those are real. Yeah. And I just remember being panicked with the boys and just saying, you know, keep your crotch out of the water. But by the way, though, that you were saying that the, you know, don't run thing was, you know, that's not a deterrent for little kids. Right. Don't put your crotch in the water because a little fish will swim up your penis. That actually worked. Yeah.

That was a straight up deterrent. But then we had this experience where I was really freaked out because there was stuff in the, in the foreword. there that was lethal, like snakes and a certain kind of snake that if you got bit, it would kill you instantly, sort of a thing. And I, and they had really big tarantulas and stuff all over this place. And Brad and I was like the night before we were headed out of there, and we were walking back to our room where we were staying, and it was dark. And I felt something sort of go on me and I sort of went ugh like that and he knew that I really didn't like it there and I said geez that was awful he goes it's okay it's like we're leaving tomorrow don't worry about it

I'm like okay fine whatever and we get into the room and we go into the bathroom and we're brushing our teeth and Brad sort of bends over the sink and there is a tarantula on his back this big okay It's called a pink-toed tarantula. Have your listeners look it up. You'll see. And I screamed, oh, my God, there's a tarantula on your back. And within a nanosecond, Brad took his t-shirt and just went, and ripped it apart.

And the tarantula went flying across the room. And it was a pink-toed tarantula, and it was big. It was a male pink-toed tarantula. And we found out later that they're used. very docile, but if a pink-toed tarantula does bite you, it can cause impotence.

Wow. Yes. A lot of, like, private parts stuff. A lot of dick stuff. A lot of dick stuff. I'm married to a man, I've got two sons. The bummer is that was, if it had happened

because like the most turned on you ever were was when he ripped his shirt off and then if that at the same moment he'd become impotent, what a bummer that would have been. Yeah, totally. The irony. The irony is thick, and it could have been an absolutely rambunctious evening of, close your ears, boys. Sexual satisfaction, but it was not.

We were in Costa Rica with my boys, and there was just this line of, like, the reddest ants you've ever seen, carrying, like, leaves, like, from a animated film, like, watching these ants work together, and we were just leaning down so close watching them, and it was just this beautiful moment of nature. And then the guy came over was like, those are fire ants. If they bite you and basically I was like, God, what is the point of being out here? This isn't a vacation. Yeah, I hear that. I don't disagree with that. Did you ever have either of the hallboys who were on this ever gone on a vacation with just your mother, just the two of you? We surprised her for Mother's Day.

Yeah, that's where my brain went too. Yeah. Where'd you take her? we went to a restaurant when we were yeah we were in New York okay well wait a minute

hold on I was in New York by myself working okay yeah yeah yeah and it was late at night and I'm in

I'm all by myself I'm in the bedroom I'm watching a movie and I watching it and all of a sudden the kid in the movie sounds so much like my son

I feel like I hear this kid go mom mom Like that, God, that kid sounds like Charlie. Yeah, I didn't want to scare. I can't, my flight got to, I was supposed to get in earlier, and my flight got delayed. So I ended up getting in at like midnight to New York.

And I was so terrified that I was going to scare you. And so I was yelling, mom, mom, I don't want to scare you. It's your son. I don't want to scare you. And your door was closed. And I was yelling outside for literally no exaggeration, like five minutes. And you didn't, you couldn't hear. I couldn't hear me. And I didn't want to open the door because I thought I'd like give you a heart

attack. Well, you did give me a heart attack by the way. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I took you guys to Portland once to see a basketball game. Oh my God, of course. That's the number one. That's the number one. Just the three of you? Just the three of us. Yeah. Yeah. And was this an interesting time to go to a basketball game in Portland? You seem to have a specific memory of it. Yeah. There's this guy He's sort of like in and out of the G League, who we got to meet this, LeBron something. What's his last name, Charlie? James. Is it James, but spelled with a G?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. That one. Yeah, we got to go to Portland and we see at Miami. This is, this was in the Miami Heat days. Wow. But so you lived in L.A., so they're obviously, you famously have a couple of basketball teams. Was it special to go to Portland and see LeBron play? We, my mom's, uh, best friend is, uh, works for Nike.

So we had a whole Nike thing, uh, uh, set up for us, which was unbelievably special. How old were you when this was happening? Were you, was this like peak age to go to a sporting event? Yes. Any age is peak age for us to go to a sporting event. We're also, like, I would die for LeBron. Like Charlie's the biggest. Absolutely no hesitation, take a bullet, like truly.

And so doing that was incredibly special. And it ended up being an amazing game. Chris Bosch hit a essentially buzzer beating three to win. Yeah, that's right. A buzzer beater. Yeah. Did you meet LeBron? Yes.

We met LeBron. But we almost didn't because I was so scared. I, he's so, I, I love LeBron in a way that's like certainly unhealthy. No question about it. And as a result, like, I, the moment was like too big for me. I don't know how old I was, but I was too anxious, and I was almost pulled the plug on the whole operation. I was like, I don't think I can do this. But thankfully, I think actually dad talked sort of, we called dad, right?

Yeah, I called dad. And he was like, guys, what are you talking about? You got to go meet him. Yeah. Right. Well, it was late at night. They were inviting us to go to dinner with a bunch of the players, but it was late, you know. And I didn't know, well, should I take the boys and what's going on?

And, you know, and we called dad and he said, Brad, and he said, oh, who cares what time is? Go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in the moment, Charlie, did you rise to the occasion? Do you feel like you comported yourself when? Well, when the moment came? It's a good question. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I was enough to like, you know, words came out of my mouth. I was like, hi, nice to meet you. So that's a way. Right. How old were you? I don't, it was, it was, you guys were teenagers, I think, right? Yeah, I think I was maybe in middle school. Yeah, I was, uh, yeah, I was, uh, yeah, I was, uh, yeah, maybe. I was, I was, I was in college. You were, Henry?

Pretty sure. I, I, I, I remember we, we, we, I wasn't sitting next to LeBron once we got there. And I was had had, I was, really relieved at that fact. Like, I had met him. I was, I know, but you were, but you can handle it. I can't handle it. Like, like, this is, you know, I could. I couldn't handle it. It is like meeting God. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And at that point, right, fully he's a guy.

Sorry, by the way, just quickly, we're talking about LeBron James. Yeah. Yes. King James. I just took, my dad's in Pittsburgh, a huge Steelers fans, I just took my nine and seven-year-old

to their first Steelers game. That's awesome. And it was the best, it was such a fantastic weekend. Josh was there as well. And we met some of the players. but they have they're not at the place i think it was easier for them because they're not huge fans like they haven't built up a fandom that you had for lebron at the time so they were just meeting larger

people than they were used to there is a there's a northwestern wildcat on the steelers brett scuronic that's exactly right good good good good buddy am i um oh great yeah yeah i love them yeah apparently he reps notre dame but we said we still come up him as northwest yeah 100% yeah i will say have been nothing to do with me and my children, but Julia, you and yours, I remember going and seeing you, Julia, that was it 2016 when you guys beat Texas

at the Barclay Center? Yep, 2016. Jared Allen, Jared Allen was on that team. That was a great game. That was fantastic. And also, like, it happened for me when I was in college, when football wasn't good, and then all of a sudden they were good. Like, my friend and I went to that game

just because, oh my God, well, how can you miss Northwestern when there in New York didn't go with a lot of expectation that Northwestern would win. It was so exciting. We were so happy. And then the extra, there was the extra bonus of then we actually ran into you guys. So fun. That's a thing about coming from like a kind of, you know, historically losing program is it feels a lot better when you win. And was that the, that was the first tournament year? That was the tournament year. And that game, that Texas game ended up kind of of being the game where we realized that we were like actually good we had our suspicions like you know over the summer i was like huh we i think our players are good and then we beat texas and we're

like oh wow we are didn't brian mcintosh had a amazing game that that yeah i think scottie played really well too yeah i had a that year josh went to salt lake yeah for the first round and i well i had a very young i think my uh alex who's pregnant with our seven and Ash was two. And it was just one of those things where, like, I couldn't make the argument why I had to, like, leave and go to Utah. But then I was, like, so grumpy,

like in a petulant, childish way. And she, at one point I was like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, everyone I know is in Salt Lake City. It never happens. And she's like, ugh. She was like, no, simply. She's like, oh, my God, grow up.

But also, like, we didn't, you didn't know where your team was going to play when tickets went on sale. And Seth had bought, like, a block of tickets to in like North Carolina, which is, you know, where some of the games were. And they were great games that he ended up having tickets for. And then Northwestern won their first game. And Seth sold those tickets in North Carolina.

And then for the four guys that were in Salt Lake, he's like, I'm going to buy you guys tickets for the next game, which was a great sort of turnover. I'm assuming you were there, Julia. You went out for that. You betcha. Yeah. It must have been such an exciting time. Oh, it was unbelievable. I just, I'll never forget that goal tending.

Oh, I know. And then the coach getting thrown, you know, and yeah, rightfully. So he was furious for good cause. How do you miss that? There was a goal tend through the rim. Yeah, and by the way. Against Gonzaga, right? And Charlie, wasn't it true that after the fact that the National Ref Association made some comment about it was a missed call?

Yeah, they issue a, they do a thing where they, uh, In the final X minutes of every game, they go through the calls. And then if there's any errors, they, like, they release a, you know, a document of the errors. And that it was, they released it as an error. And I think even, like, the NCAA, like, issued an apology or something. And then you get, your team gets ref bucks that you can use it. That you can then spend that I'll let, yeah, but the concessions. I'm still living off the merch.

The rough box, actually. Yeah. So I pay my rent. Will you guys, will you all be together for Thanksgiving? Oh, yeah. Yes. Is that historically every year? Has there been an exception where you don't have the whole family together for any reason?

No. We've always. We've had weird thanksgivings a lot. Or we're not in at home. Because for me, when I was playing basketball, we always had to, they always had to come to me because I didn't get it off. And then we also went to when Henry was. shooting his show in London. We went to, we had Thanksgiving in London.

Oh, yeah, we did. We, uh, Josh and I used to, uh, live in Amsterdam and, uh, my parents would come over there for Thanksgiving. And I think Thanksgiving in a foreign country that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving is outstanding. Yeah, it's cool. It's outstanding. It's just an opportunity for a great meal elsewhere.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you also, nothing, nothing's closed. So you like, go out in the city is like, still like a cool city. Mm-hmm. Completely, yeah. When you do Thanksgiving at home, do you have other people over, or is it ever just the four of you?

No, when it's at home, we have extended family and friends, which is what we're having this year. How big can it get? I remember one year, it was 24 people. Gotcha. Does it get out of hand? That's too much. Yeah, remember, we had a table outside and we had a table inside and we used the round table for Granny. and because remember and then we and then everybody we did rotating of seats rotating around we had a

that was too much i just wanted to picture granny alone at a very small roundtable yeah yeah no it was more of a godfather situation like each person would go off and have their conversation with grandma is this your side granny or brad side granny brad side granny who's still alive she's 97 and um she has pretty acute dementia so I think this year she will not be joining us however she's been joining us I mean she's with us every holiday in some form or another yeah this year we're going to bring her some stuff but yeah this year it's not quite as many I think we're about 13 this year which is much more manageable 24 is insane 24 is too many it's to believe me I you know to be honest with you guys and these guys my boys know this I don't I'm not a huge fan of

Thanksgiving? Just not. Yeah, okay. It's all the Thanksgiving, right? I just, I think, she's ungrateful. I am ungrateful. And I'll tell you why I'm ungrateful. You famously said maybe if I ever have something to be thankful for, I'll get this. I'll understand what. I did say that. Tick-Tock world. I had a, it's my favorite thing. It's my favorite holiday before. And I was saying to Alexi, I'm like, why don't you get more excited? She's like, because I do everything. Thank you She goes You love Thanksgiving

Because you like would go and sit on the couch And watch football while your mom cooked And now I'm the mom And it's not a good holiday It's an enormous amount of work For what is probably about a 15 To 20 minute meal And it's days and days of cooking

And you know You can you know And then But anyway, whatever I'm still happy everybody's coming Because I like I am actually Because I like all the shit beforehand

It's just that Once the meal's here, it's like, eh, whatever. Does anyone go too hard at Thanksgiving? Does anyone, like, really tie one on? We sort of, we famously had a bunch of neighbors over and some family one time and set up tables. And, like, there were, there was way too much wine being drunk. And some of it by a gal who certainly was not of age yet, but was finding some half-drunk glasses that she was polishing off. but which adds an element of excitement to a holiday yeah i don't think has anybody misbehaved you guys

not really i mean well the the the the end of the everyone being sick story uh that one thanksgiving oh that's right we everyone's sick everything's going terribly uh all the food is getting messed up and everything and the one thing that made it through all that vitriol was a pumpkin pie came out perfect like dead perfect comes out steaming you know just the most delicious delectable looking pumping pie you've ever seen in your life gets put on the counter and my little cousin comes over to it and he goes oh man that looks good oh it's so he sneezes all over the pie snot on the pie. So that was the end of that.

You've never seen adults more mad at like a six-year-old. They started booing. It was insane. Do you remember the first time vacation or at home, like the first time you had drinks with both of your sons, Julia? Because obviously Henry has a head start. But like the moment where you're like, we are now a family where the children, you know, are old enough to also. have wine at the table. No.

Do you remember the first time you got drunk with me? Yeah. You immediately, I like that your tone immediately went back to your tone of during day drinking. I do remember that. That was insane. I always tell this story because it's like such a perfect Julia story that, because I say it to every time we do day drinking,

I always say to the guests, I'm like, hey, just FYI. Like, you don't have to drink anything. You don't want to drink. We can switch to water. And you were the only one. And you went, yeah, I know. Like the amount they were like half to drink this. I'm not trying to prove anything to you.

I remember when I was in college once, oh, doing like meow or whatever. And there was some improv night. And before that night, we had gone out and gotten drinks. And I'd had a gin and tonic. And I remember then getting on stage. and realizing, oh, my God, I mean, I wasn't, like, drunk, but I felt it. And it was this terrifying feeling. And I stood at the back of the stage and did not contribute because I was terrified of, you know, it just felt like such a, it was so risky.

And so when I did your show, I can't believe you do that show. Yeah, we only do it twice here. We are very aware there's a tipping point where our audience collectively says, sir, you're 51. You have children. Sir, you have children at home. No, do it more. That's when I love the day drinking show. Please do it more.

It's so funny. Not to enable you. I mean, it never, it never doesn't work. But it is, you know, there's a, there's a medical cost. There is a medical cost. You know, there's what, there's one. vacation story that I have to tell you guys about with these boys that is in our part of our family history. And it was around New Year's, the Y2K year.

So that would have made Charlie 3 and Henry 8. And is that right, guys? No. No, 2 and 7 because it would have been 1999 going into 2000. Wow, Mom, Einstein over here. Good math. Thanks, honey. So, anyway, I don't know if people remember, but that year there was all of this like, you got to do something. It's New Year's.

We're going into this whole new, into 2000, it's going to be unbelievable. And so we opted sort of to not do a whole hullabaloo for New Year's. And we went, we were skiing, and some friends had invited us over to their house for a New Year's party. And we decided because of the importance of this particular date, we were going to bring the boys and let them stay up late. And so we got to their house and we're having a nice time. And it gets to be about 11 o'clock and it's become quite evident that each of the boys has got to go to bed. It is way too late for a 2-year-old and a 7-year-old to be up. So I say to Brad, we've got to get out of here.

I know staying up until midnight, but we just can't do it. It's ridiculous. So Henry was disappointed. We put them into the car, but the kids are wigged, okay, wigged, tired, wigged out. We put them both into the car. Charlie's in the car seat. We're driving back to this hotel. It's snowing like crazy and it's dark.

And Henry says to Brad, Daddy, do you believe in the abominable snowman? Understand everybody's tired. And Brad says, no, I don't, honey. And anyone who does believe in the abominable snowman is crazy. And Henry goes, don't, well, I believe in the abominable snowman, daddy. And that means you think I'm crazy. I'm going to kill you. He starts screaming.

At which point, Charlie in the car seat, starts to scream hysterically. Don't kill my daddy And they are going But I mean screaming Like he really thought His 7 year old brother Was going to kill his own father And they are screaming hysterically

And it is the worst New Year's of our life And I become It is so outrageous That I become hysterical laughing And then the kids see me laughing And they get more crying And Brad is like Jules shut up

Shut up Anyway That was our That was New Year By the way, a different time, thanks to YouTube. But I remember a couple years ago, our kids wanted to stay up until New Year's. And I'm like, they're never going to make it. And Alexi was like, they're not going to make it.

And then she just went on YouTube and played the previous years, like put on YouTube TV and played the ball dropping at like 8.45. And I was like, I'm married to the smartest woman. Wow. That's like really smart. That is stone cold genius. Yeah. Time manipulation. She's like, we all said you guys made it.

We've been in Seth's wife's from New Mexico. And there are some casinos nearby and they celebrate noon year's Eve at noon and if you're in the casino at noon, they like pass out champagne and there's a whole to do. And so we've definitely popped down for noon years Eve. It's really cool because then the cool thing is the rest of the day you smell like cigarettes. Perfect. They're still smoking in there. Just yeah, you don't want to be in an Albuquerque casino on noon years eve. I'm just going to say. You don't? Huh. I know. It's just. Shocking. This has been so lovely to talk to you guys. Oh, you do.

Before you go, Josh is going to ask you all our speed round questions, and you all have to answer every question. Also. Before you do, I'm taking a family photo. Everybody's smile. Take it with your phone. I am, honey. Okay, good, good. Also, I'm going to just ask, because you guys are straight talkers.

Tacky or cool that I'm wearing a sweatshirt from my own show. Super, honestly, cool. Because, because. I don't love it. All right. You know, when I was seven years old and we were in Rome staying at some hotel and Ed Sullivan was staying there at the same time, and didn't he come down to the pool wearing a hat that said Ed Sullivan? Oh, I wouldn't do it in public. I wouldn't do it in public, but still.

Well, you're in public right now. It's true. He's on Zoom for a thing that's being taped to be put out into the world. You got me dead to rights. It's in public. I take it back. Me and Ed Sullivan are the same. I won't name names, but I once saw it on Abbott Kinney in L.A.

I saw an NBA player one time wearing a shirt with his face on it, which I thought was a super interesting choice. Kind of actually, I kind of loved it. I kind of love it too, but can't you tell us who it was? No, I don't want to. I don't know why, but I don't want to. All right. I'm scared. Just tell us who was on the shirt.

Yeah, okay. DeAngel Russell. Oh. love Russ. I was once at a party with someone related to Ernest Hemingway somehow and we're all chatting and someone's talking, going through something in their lives, you know, extolling some issue they were having. And this person who was related to Ernest Hemingway goes, oh, wow, that's, you know, you should check out this book. It's called The Sun Also Rises. That's awesome. Yeah. And she had already said that she was related to this. She was like recommending her, you know, whatever he was, like great-uncle's book or something. Yeah. It's like, yeah, no, we know this unalcered.

Yeah, I mean, obviously not as well as me because I'm related to him, but a lot. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway. All right. All right, here we go. Speed round. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation, relaxing, adventurous or educational?

Relax. Realtzing. Adventurous for me, too. Okay. What is, uh, what is your favorite means of transportation? What? What? What?

Feet. Feet. Oh, yeah, feet, feet. Wait, I changed mine to feet. Great call, Mom. Gotcha. Okay. Thanks, honey.

If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Coach Taylor Friday Night Lights. Perfect answer. Nice, Charlie. Oh. Henry, I know who you're going to say. Yeah, I think I do, too. What the

The Hemingways The Sims Yeah Maybe I don't know Your answer The Griffins The Griffins

Allzag Oh wait Family guy Yeah yeah yeah Well I'm going to say the Simpsons Okay great Nightmare vacation But okay

I know I'm just trying to be clever All right This one could get Sticky with three family members If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? No offense, Mom. I'm going Henry. Henry?

Yeah. I'm going Charlie, Mom. Sorry. You know what I'm going with? My sister Lauren, so fuck you guys. All right. Julie, you're from New York City. If you had to pitch New York City to get more families to come visit, how would you do it?

Central Park. Yeah. There's something there for everyone. True. And then boys, you're both L.A. You're both from Los Angeles. If you had to pitch Los Angeles to get more families to come visit, how would you do it? Henry first.

Okay. I would say the Ripley's, believe it or not, Lacks me's name. Yeah, we have that. All right, Charlie, can you beat that? Um, my Zoom cut out for a second, but I would say Ripley's believe it or not. Good choice. Yeah. Good choice, Tar.

What was your answer, Henry? Dude, it was actually Ripley's believer or not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean. Can you believe it? When is the last time either of you has been to the Ripley's Believe it or Not Museum? We went this morning. This morning, yeah.

You guys got right back from Indonesia. You were like, I got to get it. We actually do have to get out. We have a heart out because we're going back. You guys are the Norm Peterson of Ripley's Leave or not. Hey, Charlie! And then Seth has our final question. Have you guys been to the Grand Canyon?

Yes, we have. Was it worth it? Yes. Oh, yeah. Big time. That was one of, we, yeah, we went. That was probably, that's a top tier, top three probably family trip ever for us. was we did river rafting down the Grand Canyon.

How many, was it a multiple-day trip? Yeah. It was two weeks, a week, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. We did the top half of the canyon and, or the river.

And it's a trip that we would want to go back to, by the way. Uh-huh. It's very a resounding support. Can I redo my pitch for New York? Yeah, please. Yeah, sure. Ripley's believed it or not, Wax Museum, New York? What?

No, there isn't one there. Otherwise, of course, I would use that. There is less dog shit now than there was when I was little. I think that's a selling point. Yeah. Yeah. I once had David Byrne on the show, and I was like, tell me about, like, is New York in the late 70s, early 80s as cool as I wanted to be? And the one thing he said, he said, it was awesome, but it smelled, there was so much dog shit.

Well, can you believe that people didn't pick up their dog shit? It's crazy. I can't believe any time it ever happens, and it happens around. where I live all the time and my wife just like is furious and wants to set up cameras everywhere and I'm not I'm kind of with her. It's sort of appalling

but I mean it's sort of it's kind of like people smoking and then just throwing their cigarette butts on the ground. That I like. Oh you do? Yeah. I like when they can throw it with their aim's good enough they can make it land in the dog shit. Yep. Like it sticks up so the flames gets there's

smoke's coming up. Yeah so it looks like Cupcake with a birthday candle. That's what the kids, it's a teen thing. It's called Cupcaking, where you try to throw a lit cigarette into a dog shit. And then with my cousin's sneeze on it too, I know a cousin who could give a good sneeze to that cupcake. Thank you guys. Check out Season 4 of Wiser Than Me and gentlemen, it was great to see you both. This was just wonderful.

Thanks, guys. It was really fun to talk to you. So, I hope it edits together good. Oh, yeah. No edits, no edits. Oh, sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry for that.

All right. Well, sorry. Okay. All right. Go cats. Go cats, baby. Snowman, Snowman, Snowman, Snowman, Snowman, Snowman, Snowman. Went to Africa for fun, told the boys they couldn't run,

because they got big cats. Should have thought about that. Went to a rainforest with tarantlers, where fish swim up your urethrus. Better than Thanksgiving in D.C. When a plague descended on their family, oh, it knocked them down just like dominoes. Everyone was sick, uncles and aunts the three-year-old cousin shit their pants,

so only bright spot was the pumpkin pie was just pristine, perfect, and hot until his sneeze covered in whits not know If you weren't bad, let's talk New Year's When the boys were really young Was the Y2K year With the total lack of cheer Julia saw that it was clear

Had to get these boys out of here Do you believe in the abominable snowman Brad said I don't And if you do Then you have probably gone cuckoo bro And Ray said I do so that means You think I'm crazy, which I can't stand. So now I gotta kill you dad.

Oh, that made little Charlie cry. He thrashed and kicked in his car seat, screaming, don't kill Daddy. Oh, for some reason Julia just laughed. A case of giggled she had caught Brad said stop but she could not know