Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus - Presenting: Julia on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

The Wiser Than Me team is taking a little holiday break, but while we’re away, we’re excited to share a few conversations with friends. Today, we’re bringing you Julia’s recent appearance on Good Hang with Amy Poehler. On Good Hang, Amy sits down with brilliant guests like Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig, and Ina Garten to talk about careers, mutual friends, and the things they’re genuinely excited about. It’s not about self-improvement or advice. Amy just wants to have a good time and invite you along for the hang.To hear more episodes of Good Hang, head to Spotify or YouTube.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Until then, happy holidays. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We just have such a pro. We have the queen. We have just the hilarious, incredible, inspiring Julie Dreyfus joining. us today. And we talk to Julia about so many fun, good things. We talk about season four of her podcast Wiser than me. We're going to talk about her Emmy domination and how she just beat me year

after year. We're talking about how many photos we have on our phone. And spoiler alert, I have more. And you're going to hear her reject my idea that she is the LeBron James of television. So great episode coming up but before we start we always like to check in with someone who knows our guest who has a question to give me to ask our guest and we have an incredible sweet super talented hilarious tony hale joining us tony who you might know from arrested development buster bluth what a character um he played gary on vip incredible character he is the voice of fear and inside out too incredible character we love tony and um let's check in and see if we can hear him from from his incredible studio, Tony.

Are you in a booth in a recording booth? Okay, this is a little booth I made in my house. And if I really showed it to you, you'd be like, oh, that's sad. Tony needs help. First of all, everyone now, you're nobody if you don't have a booth in your house. Really? I'm ahead of the game? This feels like a COVID, you know, thing. You build a wall and you make it soundproof and you start a podcast.

Soundproof-ish. If I really showed it to you, go, oh, I get it now. That's a, that's the, he's in the witness protection program. Oh, it's so good to see you. we first met on the set of Arrested Development back in whatever that was. Yeah. Actually, was that? I think we might have first met when Martel was on SNL because my wife was a makeup artist on SNL. But I was just the guy next to her that was like, oh, I'm not going to say anything.

I'm not going to say anything to Amy, no, no. And so I don't know if we actually met, but I just kind of probably stared at all you guys. Yeah, your very talented wife, Martel was a makeup artist during, my years at S&L, and then we got to know each other on the set of Arrested. And, I mean, Buster Bluth, what, we need a movie about what's going on in his head. Yeah, there was a lot going on in his head. And, I mean, he could barely get to the pharmacy. But he just, oh, man, somebody was asking me the other day about just the codependency, you know,

that's in that show between me and Lucio Bluth, who was played wonderfully by Jessica Walter. And there is a scene in there which is such a beautiful picture of the codependency where she's on house arrest and she can't smoke. And so

she tells me, she goes, Buster, come here, come here. And she says, she makes me inhale the smoke out of her mouth as she smokes and then blow it out on the balcony. And then she takes another drag and then blows it into my mouth and I've got to exhale on the balcony.

I was like, just like a baby bird getting a worm out of his mom's mouth. And I was like, if that's not a picture of dysfunction, I mean, that is crazy. To me, that's a picture of a loving son taking care of their mother. You know what, Amy? I think this is a side conversation. That's what a son should do for its mother. Absolutely right. My mother would agree.

You have created such great codependent dysfunctional relationships in the work that you do. because Lucille and Buster, I mean, is, and then the relationship you and Julia have on VEEP is how, when you explain your relationship to Selena in that, like, how do you relation, how do you, how do you, how do you sum up the relationship you guys had together on the show, your characters? Um, I worship. She was Jesus to me. I was, I don't even think I exist. I, I was. I don't even think I, I, I, I mean, she literally called me a bitchy mime on the show because she didn't really want me to speak. So she had, she gave me no value. But I just had these crazy rose-colored glasses and just, I never heard it. I just heard poetry when she was screaming at me. So it was just, and she knew it.

She knew it and she abused it. It looked like you two had an incredible working relationship. Like, it just looked like you loved working together. We really did. And she, the one thing, I mean, you did the same. same thing on Parks and Rec, but it's, whoever is number one on the call sheet, which means whoever's the star of the show, they typically set the tone of the experience. And sometimes, unfortunately, that's, I haven't had this experience, but, you know, sometimes it's like everybody's

walking in eggshells and there's a lot of ego and entitlement, which just sucks creative energy out of a space. And it's just not a gift to anybody. And then sometimes you have, like, you or Julia, where you walk in and it's just, it's open. We're all in the same team. There's a kindness. There's a respect. And let me tell you right now, it is a gift for the next seven years that we have in that show of what she gave us. And we just loved her.

And we just became friends. I mean, she's also work is not her number one priority. Her family is. She has a life outside of it. And just the humanity of Julia was really just awesome, awesome to be around. Yeah. And, you know, I think because you're a deep thinking person. too deep some people say too deep

that's the rumor Tony Hill too deep damn it that should have been the name of my podcast too deep to what would be the book it would be Tony Hill or somebody's or I'm talking to somebody and they start saying something I go

not deep enough you got to go deeper go deeper actually go deeper go deeper go deeper and if it's not deep enough I'm like bye bye go deeper and then and it's Go deeper, comma, get back up to the surface.

You've gone too deep. It's way too deep. So I ask my Zoom guests to give me a question to ask my guest. And I'm wondering if you have a question, big, small, deep, not deep for Julia that you think would be appropriate. One thing that I always loved to witness with Julia was her relationship with her mom. She really loves and respects her mom. And I, we never really talked about, I mean, we talked about her mom a lot, but never really talked about, much her growing up, and growing up what she remembers kind of how her mom cultivated that

foundation, you know, because it's such a cool thing to watch now. And I'm like, oh, wow, like, what did your mom do right, you know? Yeah, that's a great question. What did your mom do right? That's actually, I think, that's kind of, that's kind of like the theme of your 50s and 60s, because listen I love to generalize so I apologize in advance but if your 20s and 30s are like who am I not and I don't want to do this and like what didn't get right then as you get older you start to realize what else what what did I what the people who raised me what did they you know they're doing the best they can what did they do right yeah yeah yeah and you can you can really see it with the the fruit of that with her with her relationship and you know both

you and I are parents, and I want that kind of longevity that she has with her mom. Man, what an awesome gift. Yeah. You're so right about the 50s kind of having eyes to see things, which is such a gift. That's too deep. That's that we went too deep. We've gone to, yeah, that's the second week of too deep, which is. So my favorite dessert is Ki-Line pie.

Thank God. Let's get back out of the service. You know what? I mean, I'm not trying to change lives here, Tony. You know what I mean? Like, we're trying to have a laugh. This is a good hang. So sorry. And look, I took you down. I put the weights on her ankles and I brought us down.

I was about to go into like dessert. The sugar does hurt my stomach. But I do. I want to keep it up. Stay up. I'm not going to say anymore. So also maybe if I follow up the quite, maybe if I asked Julia the question about her mom, I should follow up with what's your favorite kind of pie. I will say what's her favorite dessert? I want to say I think it might be a really good chocolate cake, but I don't know if that's true. Well, I feel like I would trust you knowing everything. about Julia after Veep. Yeah. I didn't know anything about politics on that show, but I knew what designer she was wearing. I knew what jewelry she was wearing. I knew who just had an affair that she was talking to. I knew all that stuff. You kept tampons in your bag just in case.

Different colors. Several. That's a real man. Thank you. That's a real man. Thank you. Why they haven't put me in a Marvel movie? There's a guy that has tampons in his bag. Me, me, me.

I got it. I got it. I have anti-bacterial wipes, too. Well, I feel like you should be in a Marvel movie. And also, you're in Toy Story. Toy Story Five is coming out, and you're in that. Five's coming out. Forky, sweet little Forky, man.

Forky was the best. That's so great. Yeah. Forky has a lot of questions. and uh what's his what's forkey's game like what's what's going on with forky never getting too deep again yeah here we go going down you're like forkey is like why are we here forky's like why we're here but also the fact that he like came into the world being like I'm trash I'm just trash and Woody's like no you're more than trash you you're made for

purpose come on oh that Pixar man that Pixar man just get you just get they just get you every time So I think that'll come out this summer. And this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this thing of this one is toys against tech, which I think is a really cool. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's very cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I, um, as long as, uh, as long as you guys don't come after my phone. Come. Come. You can say all you want about tech, but my phone is my best friend, so. What if when the movie comes out, like the SWAT team just it goes to your house and goes, Amy? Give me your phone. Whatever the very tech just wins. It's like, yeah, no more choice.

Amy is really a spokesperson for AI when everyone's concerned. Big time. A. Yay, we need AI. She's the ambassador. AI's ambassador, polar. Tony, I love you. See you later.

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Indeed.com slash wiser, terms and conditions apply. Hiring, do it the right way with Indeed. Julia Louis-Dreyfus is here and we've started our interview by comparing how many photos we have on our phone. I would call it a competition if you don't mind. Well, I want to talk about this because what I like about you is you like to win. I do like to win. I know. I love that about you. Let's reveal the numbers of photos we have on our phone. I'll go first. Go ahead. 82,000. Oh. Shit. Is that winning or losing? Is it winning or losing that I have 82,000 photos on my phone? Wait, you mean it's a round number like that? Yeah, no, 14. 84. 82,014. What do you have? I'm 56,000 to 776. Chop, chop. Screw you, Amy Poehler. Now, you know what it means is that we have not asked a young person

to plug in our phone and to transfer our photos somewhere else. But I wouldn't have them on my phone. Me too. There you go. But we should be downloading them somewhere else, right? Don't they do that automatically in the cloud? I'm literally the last person to ask. Somebody call Bill Gates.

We can get them on the phone. Because now when I get a new iPhone, I hand. it to my 17-year-old child and I go fix it, do it. I guess I don't even know how to do it. Do it. You don't know how to do it either. But this is making me anxious. I need to take these all off of you. I want, there are certain pictures I want to have. Agree, but, and let me ask the Jen's ears in the room. Do you guys take your photos off your phone at some point? Never. Never. See, we're young and hip all of a sudden. Okay, we're really sounding old though, because. Because I feel the same way

Like I sweat Technology makes me sweat That's right, mother, it does Yes, mother Yes, mother. Yes. Speaking, are you comfy by the way? You need anything? So comfy.

Okay, great. Oh, let's turn off that phone. Hold on. Julia's phone is digging. Did you get another picture? Did you get another picture sent to you? I'm up to 56,600. Okay, and by the way, my phone is also on.

Hang on, I just want to finish this. Okay, anyway, now it's, now it's silenced. Okay. Yes. I want to start by asking you about podcasting, because we're both podcasting now. I know. I didn't really ask a lot of people for advice before I started this podcast. You should have called me, by the way.

I know. I didn't ask any men because I tried not to ask men for advice. smart. But what do you think makes a good interview? You've done great interviews now. You've done many of them. What do you think makes a good one? Well, I mean, it sort of depends on what the concede is for what the conversation's going to be. You've done this right because good hang lets you know exactly what it's going to be. We could be talking about the photos on my phone for the next 45 minutes. That's right. We probably will. And we might. and that's like, that is dynamite because that's, there's an ease to that.

Unfortunately for me, you've made it hard because you love hard work. Well, I don't know about that, but I have made it. I mean, it's definitely rewarding, but it does, I'm talking to older women about the wisdom they have acquired in their life and would they share it with us. So that requires me to do a lot of research. I really need to come to the table understanding who these people are and how to have an authentic conversation that isn't just, you know, your normal fuck around.

Yeah, or plug your this, that, and the other. Yeah, and I, it's why I love your show, and I've told you that. Like, I love the deep dive you do. I do feel like I get this very, you know, big picture perspective from the women in the lives that they've led. Oh, thanks. I'm going to glaze you for a while on this. This is what the kids call a glaze.

What is that? Like a sugar thing? Yeah, it's all about sugar. A glaze is like, I'm going to tell you how great you are, so buckle up. Okay, there's a word, there's another word that's out now that I can't remember what it is that I was going to respond with. But it went out of my head. And if we know it, it's out. There's no way.

So glaze is not cool anymore. Of course it isn't. If I'm saying it. So now I have to say. say, I'm dead. Yeah, exactly. I'm dead. Seriously. Bet, Bet, Julia, bet. But you, how much research do you do for your show? Like, do you A lot, baby cake? Well, why do why work so hard? I don't know. Get me out of it. Haven't you gotten the memo to work? Do you, do you see how, how, why are we working so hard?

I don't know. Well, you say you're not working hard, but except that you are. You are. You've, you have, yeah, you are, right? Isn't she? Yeah, she is. Everyone's shaking their head. You are. You're pretending like you're not to be cool, but you're working super hard. But I got to tell you, you're, but it is, it's an indication I think of a bigger thing that we all are used to doing, which is being a very good student. Like, just like working hard. Yes, that's true. And has that been something you found in your life? You, like, you want to do well and be a good student, basically. I want to do well. Yeah. And also, for me, the, the, with this podcast, it was really born out of my own curiosity. In fact, I came to you and talked to you about this podcast once. I know, and I remember thinking, this sounds hard. I know. She passed, ladies and gentlemen.

Julie was like, what if we did? I was like, that sounds like a lot of research. I don't think so. You do it. That's what she said. Who is coming up that you're ex? Who have you interviewed that you can plug? Well, I can plug the following.

I can plug Jane Curtin. Please. Please. Let's talk about it. Jane for one second. Let's just sit here and think about Jane. Well, you know what? It was a really, first of all, obviously an honor to talk to her, but it was a great opportunity to go back and look at her work and particularly her work on SNL back in the day, because of course she was one of the original cast members. And to understand the effect, speaking for myself, that had on my life. Yeah, ginormous. Yes, ginormous. Totally.

And, you know, I watched that first episode, and Janice Ian is singing, I learned the truth at 17, and I was 14 watching the show when that premiered. And these were my people. Yeah. And so, same is true of Carol Burnett. Yeah. You know, you sort of don't, to a certain extent, these people that have these cultural icons, who've had proper influence, they get into your bloodstream without your knowing it. Totally.

And it's, you know, that thing like you have to see it to be it, it's not conscious. It's not like you say, oh, there's a woman on there, but you just see people filling this role and you just becomes part of your DNA that that could exist in your life in your world. Right, completely. So, yeah. Incredible. Yeah. Incredible.

By the way, you may know this, but something I learned talking to Jane. that was kind of extraordinary because you and I are familiar with the schedule of S&L, which is grueling. Yeah. Jane was not hired as a writer. And immediately,

she made the decision that she was not going to come to work on Monday and Tuesday. I swear to Christ. Whoa, that's so baller. Baller! She's like, I'm not here to write. I'm here to perform. Let me know when you write for me.

You're paying me as an actor. Wow. I'll be here for the table. read on Wednesday. Wow. And the great thing about that was she's a really good cold reader, according to her. And so she'd nail it. And then she'd be in sketches.

But she was not doing that drug-filled all-nighter life. Wow. And I just, that she had the sense to realize that she was protecting herself. FYI, she was married, too. Yeah, she always, Jane seemed like the reason of, cast member. Because she was. Yeah.

Yeah. I told this to Martin Short, Marty Short, when he was on the show, we were talking about the SNL 50th, which stirred up so much for everybody. I mean, it was, it was. That was a lot of, there were a lot of feelings in that studio.

I know, and I, I can speak for myself that parts of me really regressed, like back to, you know, some version of what I was like when I was there. And also the young part of me was like starstruck by the people. people who, you know, I grew up watching. And I, the one of my tenderest moments was I was talking to Lorraine Newman, who I don't know that well and I worship. Yes. And her and Jane got ready

together. Yeah, they're like that. And they got their hair and makeup together. Yeah. Before. And it just made me feel so happy because I just wanted them to be friends forever. And they were. I know. They are. And then they held up Gilda's picture at the end. It was so touching. I know. You, Julia, even though I consider you, I consider you whether you'll accept this or not like... I don't accept it. Fuck, I knew it. I don't. I'm not going to accept it.

I'm just not. It's good, though. I'm going to say something good. Okay, go ahead. Big sister energy for me. Oh, really? I feel like in the same way you saw Jane, I was 11, 12 when you were on S&L and you were a baby. You were like 21 or something.

So you were not that much. older than me, but you were definitely a new woman on the show. And, you know, I was always paying attention to who was new on the show. And you looked really young, which I loved because I was young and wanted a young person on the show. And I have to say, like, when I was getting, preparing for this interview, there's a million ways that we can talk about all the million things that you've done in your career and your life and who you are as a person. And I've gotten lucky to get to call you a friend but you are like the lebron james of tv yeah i i mean i thanks but i i'm not gonna i'm not accepting that man well here's why i say that you're not accepting and i think that's

smart to not accept it actually i take it back yeah yeah but no but the but you have been you're pretty good just say you're pretty good it's fine I want three. This is what I'm going to extend the metaphor. And I'm just, I'm pleased that I came up with this from a sports perspective because, because you're such a sporty girl. I'm such a sporty.

I mean, this is what this podcast is about. Sports. Yeah. Like, let's go deep into the draft. Into the draft and football. Let's get in there. The Kelsey.

Let's go into there. Let's get a deep in. Okay. No, but because you're LeBron, because you have won championships for more than one team. You have been on huge legacy shows. more than once. It's not, that's very unusual.

It's very unusual. And that's a lot of good luck, you know, really. And so, so great, but not really LeBron. Okay, okay, okay. But what is your, we started talking about winning. We were comparing photos. Yeah. What is your relationship to winning?

Because I like that you like to win. Like, I like, I like, like, like, like, like, fun, competitive women. women. Well, first of all, fun is all caps because there's another kind of competitive woman that we don't care for. That's right. The fun part has to be like in good fun. Well, here, I'm going to tell you a story about you that I like so much. Okay. So you and I have down a couple of times done bits around award shows. And when we're competing against each other. That's right. So anyway, What I have found over the years is that it's very good to focus on what to do if you win or you lose. And Amy Poehler is very fun to come up with bits with.

I love a bit. Love a bit. I had an award show of that because it used to be fun. It used to be like goofy and now it's so serious. Yeah. And by the way, we took speeches seriously but from a comic point of view. If you win for a comedic role, try to be funny when you give a speech. Or how about even if you win for a dramatic role?

How about that great idea? Turn it on its head. Flip it. Anytime anybody does, they look like a genius. Genius. No, for really, you look like a genius. It's true. So we did a couple of them where we might, I think my favorite one with you,

but you tell me was when we pretended to switch acceptance speeches. That was my favorite. Oh, it was so good. We gave each other a hug. And then we pretended to like, oopsie, switch speeches. And then you went up and you started thanking people from Parks and Rec. And then we had a moment of like, oh, fuck. Yes.

And the camera cut to me. And those were the years. I have to say, there were so many great women always in our category that came and went. Julia was always there because she always crushed us all every year. But, and like people were really game to have fun. Yeah, completely. And I don't remember anything other than the fun times of those bits. Yeah, me too. I really, I was always so grateful that you were, because there were certain people that weren't down to do those bits. And they won't be named. But we did try a few bits with other people. And they didn't think it, they didn't want to do it. I know. I think some of them were nervous, like genuinely nervous.

Okay, fine. You can say that. But, okay, I want to start though, I want to go back a little bit because I feel like we talked a little bit about. this in person, but we, we kind of had similar sketch Chicago beginnings. Yeah. Like we, we were in a group. We were the only girl in the group. Yeah. And our group kind of moved to a new city to like make a start. And in your case, practical theater. Practical theater company moved to SNL together. Yes. You were on TV from Northwestern. Yes. So what year was that? 1982, and we were doing a show in Chicago that was a big hit in Chicago, and all the people in the show got hired. There were four of us, three of us were on S&L, and the fourth person, Paul Barras, was hired as a writer.

Yeah. And you all moved to New York and just started together. What was it like to have four or five of your closest friends to start that show with? Well, it was tricky. Yeah. Not because we didn't get along, but because we were a group of people who were met with a lot of animosity. Yeah. And by the people whose friends had just been fired.

Right. Right. And if I can imagine it, because I was myself the same way, there's like a pluckiness to a sketch group. Like a sketch group is like improv and sketch is like standup was cool and improv and sketch was kind of nerdy. Nerdy for sure. And, you know, so it was like, hey guys, we're here.

And I'm sure everyone was like, okay. Congrats. No, but you're going to. I don't know if you know. Maybe you know this, but when they they had us at the first tape. Oh, God. I can't even. Oh, no.

It was just so excruciating. There's this room on the 17th floor with fluorescent lighting and, you know, folding tables, and that's where they do the table read. And in that same room, they had us, these new people coming in, do part of our show that we were doing in Chicago for the writers and cast. Oh, wow. Yeah, in fluorescent lighting. Oh, wow. And we came out, to your point,

and did it didn't land. It did not land. Even saying it, my armpits are going bananas right now. Ooh. Yeah. It was so bad. I've been there. So anyway, that's how it began.

It was a terrible, inauspicious start. And you were there for a couple of years, three. And you were there during a period of transition. I mean, Lauren was not there. Lauren was not there. Dick Ebersol was there. What a strange window to be there. Oh, baby.

It was bad. Yeah. It was not great. It was not great. But fabulous learning experience. It was hard and it was a little crazy making, but I came away from it sort of stronger. Yeah. And met Larry, David, who you then worked with again on Seinfeld.

And Seinfeld still a similar kind of thing, like, didn't, had an in auspicious start. Yeah, it was a four-episode order. It was like they were just trying to sort of burn it out. When I was doing research. Oh, look at you working hard. Very hard. You are the person I've worked the hardest for. That's total bullshit.

But go ahead. It is true. I've worked the hardest for it. Michelle Obama. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smart.

But, no, but like Parks and Rick, Seinfeld was always close to being canceled. People weren't getting it. It was like, we don't know what we have here. Nobody knew what they had. Yeah, it was until the third year it started to take off. Yeah. And was Elaine written as a man at first, that character?

No, but wasn't it four men? And then they changed it to Elaine? I don't know. I don't know. No, I know. Is that a weird way to ask it? You know what I mean. I do when it makes me laugh.

I think I'm tired. Elaine was, you were playing Elaine as a man, yes? No. Correct. But wasn't the character? They brought you in because they were like Julia and because of the vaguest. They did a pilot. Yeah.

And then apparently the network told them you have to put a girl in this show. So there's a tape out there. somewhere where there's another person in... No, not in... There is not a regular... There's a argument in the pilot. Correct. Wow.

Yeah. It was a different time. And so they said, you know what? You need a girl. Yeah. And so I came in... I've never watched the pilot of Seinfeld, by the way. And so...

Why would I'm not in it? Why would I bother? You refuse to watch anything you're not in. That's right. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. What was the name of the show you were in, by the way? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, um, so...

Yeah, so that's what it happened. So they put me in, so I was in the episode two onward. And I feel like success in the comedy world, in the sitcom world, is often like kind of measured by whether or not people will dress up as you for Halloween. Oh. Because I think Elaine is a popular Halloween costume. It is. It is.

And it's an easy one to get together. Like it's just, it's a dress and a blazer and a curly-haired wig. God, I'd love to go back and fix that look. Yeah, I, I feel me? There's some early, Leslie, no styles where I'm like, didn't put enough thought into that. Yeah, but we weren't really thinking about that. No, we were acting and we were in our character.

No, but I actually remember because like when friends came out at some point when we were doing Seinfeld, not in the beginning, it was sort of, I can't remember what the years were. but and all those girls were so sexy yeah and i remember thinking like oh fuck i should have been sexy yeah i think that all the time seriously i i can't tell how many i'm like oh i forgot to be sexy no totally yeah i shit oh my god this was such a missed opportunity and you're reminded of it when you see other people you're like oh that's also something i could have tried to be i seriously yeah Like a mid-drift, anything, anything.

But that's why we love Aline. We love her because of that, because she feels like us. She feels like someone we would know and love. Like, she feels like our funniest friend. She feels like her, like, you know, I mean, I think, and she's so funny. And it's, it just couldn't work if Elaine was paying attention to that. It never would work. It might have worked.

That's true. She just went to like a really slutty, sexy face. Not so slutty, just coming in, like, in tight jeans and, like, how were they all dressed? Yeah, I know. Anyway, let's not dwell on my regrets. But also, you had two boys. Did you, were you pregnant? Oh, yeah, you had those kids.

Oh, right. I forgot that. Yeah, I had two babies during that time. So the sexy thing, although, you know, look, Demi Moore did it? I know. But I didn't even know about that. I didn't know about, like, you know, going like that with your big tummy and. looking hot. I was just, you know, I was just wearing huge, like, picnic tablecloths.

Yeah, but that style is back now, you know. 90s are back, baby. Listen, if anybody in America is listening to this, please don't do the 90s again. I'm going to disagree with you. Okay, well, you're wrong and I'm right. No. And so just leave it at that. You're being triggered, but I'm telling you 90s like that the floral with like a chunky shoe and a tight and a blazer fucking jackpot

like you you and Jen Aniston when you look at pictures like Rachel and Elaine everybody's dressing like that now and I don't know what to say I'm just so fucking sorry I really

really am But I will tell you one thing, and I've told this story before, but when I was pregnant with Charlie, with my second son, and I was really pregnant, and I was about five or six months, and I got pretty big. And Jerry comes up to me, and he says, hey, we got an idea on the right of the truth. Oh, no. And he said, how about this idea? How about Elaine just gets fat?

Incredible. What an idea, Jerry. So I burst into tears Of course And I will say the following though In retrospect It might have been great It might have been funny

It's a funny idea Yeah it's a funny idea Yeah And you would have been hilarious And it would have been funny Because you know with a big tummy And then you're like putting a belt on it And you're pretending you're not putting it

You're just getting fat But when you're not feeling in your own body It's like It didn't work I remember on Parks and Rec I had been pregnant on twice on that show too. Sorry, I had started when I had just given birth for my first kid, and then I got pregnant with Abel, my youngest, a few years later.

And I remember my character, Leslie, was going to become pregnant on the show. And I said, I did some version of like bursting into tears where I said, I cannot be fake pregnant. I've just been really pregnant on both S&L. and Parks and Rec, I've been genuinely pregnant. And you can't make me now wear a fake stomach. Oh, so it was, oh, it was like, after you give him birth, they were like, let's strap that belly right back on.

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Yeah. And I love your relationship with Brad, who's a wonderful person. Yeah. And you guys are like a really beautiful. example of a loving, funny, supportive marriage with two very talented people and your... FYI, we're separate and getting divorced. And you're going to announce it here. Yeah, I just thought, this is the time.

I mean, you brought it up. I might as well. Well, you know what? Good. Easy come, easy go. And I worked with your son Charlie on Moxie, a film that I made. He was a total doll. You know what?

I have to tell you something about that. That was the first professional job he ever had was you gave him that job. in Moxie. And I am so grateful to you for that. Not because you gave him the job, of course, yes, but because I'm so grateful because you're a good person. And he didn't have an experience with a jerk of which there are so many. And it was very informative to him. So I just want you to know that. For real, and this is totally me telling you, thank you. and if no, I'm actually, I'm tearing up, but I really mean it. Thanks. I love him. I love him. He's such a nice kid and talented. Okay. So we talk about Seinfeld. Adventures

of Old Christine, Incredible Show, Carrie Liser. Love. She's your kind of person. She is an incredible showrunner. You've worked with great showrunners. Yes, I have worked with great showrunners. Armando Ayonucci, who's creator of Veep. How did that, um, Part, was that part written for you? Ish? Ish, yes, I would say. I mean, initially no. I just heard about the concept that, you know, unhappy vice president.

And then I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding. And then I met with him, and then he started to write it after that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I loved the idea. Yeah. And I loved his work. I mean, Julia.

Yes. That show. That show was so much fun. to do. I have to say I still miss it. Yeah. Do you miss doing parks? I miss the people. Yeah. I miss the people a lot. I mean, I have a lot of them on here because I miss them so much. Like I miss, it felt like, and it feels that way with VEEP too, like the chemistry of the people, the funniest of, like the laughing all day. All day. So we do a thing on the podcast where we have people come on before our guest and talk well behind our guests back. Talk well.

Yes, you've not listened to this podcast, have you. Let me explain something to you. Wow. You called me to do something for Ina Garten, but you didn't say talk well. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I did too. No, you said, come up with some questions for her.

That's not talking well. I think when I introduced you, I said that we're going to talk well behind Ina's back. Did I not? No, you didn't. I'm being gaslit by this enterprise. Whenever. I'm never, I am never talking to you again. And by the way, Ina, who was on our podcast, you came on to do an incredible little, you know, segment in the front.

And Ina and you are buddies. Yes. And when I was talking to her, she was saying you guys were ready to go on a trip together. Yeah, we did. Please tell me about it. Tell me what you ate. Tell me, just tell me what you ate. We went to, she very generously took me and Brad to a restaurant.

in Paris called Caviar Caspia and frankly I don't even like caviar

what yeah and it was delicious was everything did everything have caviar in it

kind of it was like caviar and potato and champagne and it was very just exotic

and it was in Paris so you know what else you need to know she was so nice She brought champagne and strawberry. She was the best.

God, was I supposed to bring something? It's just weird that you didn't, I guess. I mean, it is weird that you didn't. If my assistant Will is listening to this right now in the green room, could just go out and get some more photos on my phone please while Julia is getting at present for me. Could you put more photos on my phone right now? And also, can you go and get some chocolates and quickly get some chips? Could you rip up the thank you note I was about to send to Jill?

And also, could you please send flowers to myself because I'm clearly not going to be getting anything from Amy Poehler? I distinctly said that polka dots were only for me. The other thing is that how could it have been that I came out here wearing this blouse and you did not see what she had on? Okay, anyway. So I spoke to someone who knows you really well. And that is Tony Hale. Oh, my Tony. I know.

Tell me about, tell me how much you love Tony. I love Tony. He's the best. He is the greatest guy. What do you love about him? What's so great about Tony? He is deeply funny. Yeah.

Like, deeply funny. He is profoundly generous. Mm-hmm. He is incredibly neurotic. perfect. He worries about everyone. Yeah. So if there's a group of people and somebody is off or not fitting in or having a hard time, he can only focus on that. Yeah. And which speaks to his kindness. Yeah. And I just would do anything to work with him again. I want to find a way to work with him again. You guys were so great together on that show. And everyone on Veep was great. But Selena and Gary's relationship was very special. Very special. How would you sum it up when you explain it?

Have you ever seen a like a trellis with a plant growing throughout it? That's their relationship. Co-dependency to the max. Max. In meshment, times. a thousand. Yeah. That plant is not going to live without the trellis. And FYI, the trellis

doesn't give a shit about the plant. Yeah. Like the trellis actually is like, could somebody cut this plant off me? Yeah. Like this plant might take me down. But also it makes me look better so it can stay. Yeah. I mean, the way... That's pretty good metaphor. It's really good. Because you're, I mean,

Selena was like ultimate narcissist. Yes. And... Which, by the way, couldn't be more fun to play. Oh, I bet. What was fun to play? Why was that fun? What did it allow you to play around with and do that you don't get to do in your real life playing her?

Focus only on myself. Yeah. And appalled that if anyone is not focused on me. Yeah. And take no responsibility for anything. Yes. Never apologize. Never apologize.

It's always your fault, your fault, and your fault. Ooh, she just never, ever looked inward. Right, ever. Yeah. She didn't know what that meant. Yeah. So that was fun. Well, Tony had a great sweet, of course, loving question.

He loves you and adores you. And his question was like very tender, just like Tony. But he was saying, like, what he loved about you as a parent, he watched you be the kind parent that you are and it really inspired him as a parent and also he was very moved and is very moved by your relationship with your mom and his question was what do you think your mom um did right what did she give you what are you like happy that you got from your mom it's such a sweet tender it's such a tender question i know i mean there are obviously many things that i got from my mother including this wide jaw of mine it's gorgeous um but i

would say that my mother is a very intellectually curious person, and I think some of that has rubbed off on me. And also, my mother has a very good sense of humor. When you were growing up, was she watching stuff that influenced you? I know a lot of my comedy came from my mom, like what my mom was watching. What did your mom watch? Well, Carol Burnett, Monty Python. S&L. Like my parents had that on in the house. Did your mom watch that kind of stuff growing up? Yeah, well, yes.

And, I mean, I vivid, there was a show on when I was little, like really little, like maybe two. And it was a show called Soupy Sales. Oh, yeah. And also Captain Kangaroo. Yes. And we used to watch that and Howell. There was something, and I think it was on Soupy Sales or maybe it was Captain Camer, where ping pong balls would fall down.

And, you know, when you're two, that's like drop dead funny. Yeah. No, you know what I mean? It's kind of the jack in the box kind of a joke. Yes. And we would start, my memory is that she was laughing as hard as I was. My guess is that maybe she was laughing because I was laughing.

Yeah. But I remember sort of feeling like I was partnered with her in enjoying this extraordinarily funny ping pong bit. Yeah, laughing does do that with our families. I mean, it's a, yeah, it's a binder. Binder. And also, you learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at. Totally.

Like, I know, I learned, you know, I got, I don't think it was the first time we met, but when you came back to host, SNL was a big deal for all of us who were on the cast at the time that you were there, very excited. And we got to, like, spend some time together. And I remember being so pleased that we would laugh at the same thing. Like, it felt like, oh, I just felt excited that we were enjoying the same things in the same way. Totally. Yeah, there was real immediate simpatico.

I remember that very well because when we were in the, we must have been rehearsal day or something, and we were in 8-H. And I was at the page station thing, and you came up to me, you just went like this. She went, okay, run. And so I just ran. And we just went running down the hall. It was just some dumb bit. But I thought, oh, I like this girl so much. We were just, you know, talking around.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think when you came back to host that year, you had a really good time. I had a ball. And by the way, if you can believe this, speaking of male-female things, I was the first female cast member to ever come back and host. Wow. Oopsie, Daisy. Yeah. And that was 2006 or something? Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. And you were coming into a cast that was like there was a lot of really strong talented women performing together and... It was a good vibe, at least that's what I was picking up on. It was the first time I really had fun during the show. Yeah. I mean, what was so nice about hosting back then with you guys was to feel the female power that was at, evident. And long overdue. And so that is a good feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like

talking to these older women, too. Anyway, I think it's pretty critical to have these conversations and to hear from these really interesting people. Well, I mean, Julia, you do that to me. You inspire me. Every time I see you engaging, like, I feel very inspired by you. Like, I feel very, like, you turn. You on a switch for me often where I see you doing something and I'm like, right, right, that's the kind of engagement I'm supposed to be doing or like being reminded that I'm doing. Like, you definitely do that for me. And you do that for me professionally too. I see the, the moves that you make professionally. I'm like, damn, so smart, so interesting. Like, you are, I'm always looking to you. Oh, wow. That's so nice of you to say. That really makes me feel good.

Yeah, I really feel that way. I really appreciate that. Thanks, Amy. You're welcome. What a good hang this has been. This is. Okay. And then my last, I have two questions, one that's fun and one that's a little bit more serious. But like, what I take away from your show and what I take away from knowing you is like the incredible, total joy and privilege it is to just get older.

Like there's so many people that aren't here that want to be here. Like how great to be alive, basically. So great. and as we get older it feels like adulting this term adulting you like it just gets hard because you know the hard parts of life are the juiciest parts like the challenge parts that we have to get through are the that's the meat on the bone it's just getting through can be rough I know and you've had a tough cup you've had to get through illness yes loss of your house like loss of people in your life like it's not easy and we all go through this. Like, everybody listening knows what this feels like. They have versions of it in their life. Grief.

Grief. What is the thing that on the other side of certain types of grief you've, like, learned about yourself? What does it mean you? Because is it just as simple as like, I'm happy I'm alive? No. Yeah, I know. Like, you shared with the world when you were treating your cancer, your breast cancer,

and it was very helpful for a lot of people. It isn't something you needed to share. You did? Well, I had, you know, I was kind of backed into a corner on that one because we had to shut our show down. It's funny how that worked out because normally I would not have done that. I'm very private. Yeah. But because we had to shut the show down, Veep, at the time for a year, I had to say, you know, 250 people weren't going to be working or whatever it is.

Right. So I had to make a public thing about it. But the good thing about doing that was that I did have this incredible experience of people reaching out to me asking me for, you know, asking me about my experience going through the breast cancer, you know, for advice. And I was able to help. and there was something unbelievably comforting about being able to do that on the other side of this trauma. Right.

There is a lot to be said in self-soothing by soothing others. Yeah. You know, for real. I mean, I don't mean to sound all polyanish. I actually think it's true. Yeah, I agree. That like to be of service to others

is the way to get yourself up out of the basement. Yeah, it's so true. Yeah. And we need, it's like we're in such short supply of it right now. And the other way that I think that, and I think you're the same, that takes me up from the basement, the elevator is laughing. Well, a hundred percent. Without it, you're dead. It's so true.

Like, you have to laugh. You have to laugh. When it's the worst, you have to laugh. And those are my favorite laughs when it's very, when everyone is, you know, it's like church. basically or like funeral laughs where like you have a someone who loves you enough to know they're going to take a swing here to get you up out and you have so many funny friends yeah you must have had so many moments where things were dark for you and someone kind of scoops you up with a laugh oh totally well when I was actually when I was going through chemo and um I had a lot of girlfriends come

and shove into this tiny little room, you know, I mean, like the size of this table. And everybody was there, and I was high as a kite. And I was doing this thing called a cold cap. Oh, yeah. So it's a thing that you can do if you're getting chemo, if you choose. And it's this ice cold thing you put on your head, and it's supposed to help you not lose your hair. So I did that. So I had this huge, like, weirdly shaped turrets.

been on my head and you know I'm kind of like that and everybody's around me making fun and it was a dream dream that's a dream that is a dream and at one point I remember I sent a bunch of my girlfriends out because I lost someone's weight none of my clothes fed and so I was like I need you know hi I need new jeans and so I send everybody out I don't know where they went and then it's on face time and I'm telling them which ones to get. It was fun. It was hilarious. Yeah, it really was. And what are you, and I ask all my guests is, what are you watching, listening, reading? What are you laughing at right now? Well, there is nothing I love more than those videos of either dogs, like that one dog who keeps attacking an apple slice. Don't know it. Hold on. It's, it is. Attacking an apple

Slice? Yeah, he's just going bananas on top of a bed. How do we find that? You know how we find it? Yeah. We type in dog attacking apple slice. I think it's, his name is, it starts with it. Our phones are off. Remember, we're going to have to turn him back on. No, mine isn't off. You never turned your phone off. Puppy Shares Apple Slice? No, that seems too nice. Oh, here we go. Spud on Instagram. Okay. This dog is just hacking this piece of celery. This dog is a maniac. The dog is growling. It is the size of a rat. It looks. And it is furious at this piece of food.

And is bearing its teeth. I mean, it's scary. It's scary. But it's not going to hurt anybody. Oh, this is strawberry. Oh, this is a strawberry. Now, it's war. It's war.

Anyway, that makes me very happy. But do you watch a lot of videos, YouTube videos, and like, and? I think what I'm, I love Survivor. But let me just ask you something about Survivor. I also like Amazing Race. Okay, Survivor and Amazing Race, those kinds of shows. Do you think you could do well on them? No.

No. Really? Is there a part? When you watch it, is there a part of you that you think, like, I, this is what I would do, but you don't, okay. What I would do is pretend to break my leg and get air vac out. Have you watched Alone? Yes. Incredible.

Okay, let's talk about Alone. So for people that don't know, I think it's on National Geographic Channel, maybe History Channel, and now it's on Netflix. I mean. There's a 45,000 seasons of it. 45,000, and I think we watched every episode during COVID. Yeah, fantastic COVID show. And for those who don't know, the premise is 10 or 11 people are dropped somewhere. It always feels like Canada, but somewhere and they have to survive the elements and survive

being alone. And the psychology of how people figure out how to not only find food and shelter and outlast their competitors, but the psychology of what happens when people are alone is fascinating. I'm for sure would go crazy But don't you think you would do On alone? Are you out of your mind? But better than Really you don't think you would do better than some of the other

Yeah, no I wouldn't be able to get any food I wouldn't be able to kill any of the animals. So that would be one problem And then the other problem would be I don't think you'd be able to sleep Because you know, they got bears up there, man Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, I don't know what headspace you're in right now

but there's no way you're making it on alone no way I'm not saying I'm making it I'm just saying I'm not saying I'm saying I'm saying you're not making it one night not even one night you're gonna be too cold you have to make a shelter my pride would do one night I would okay one night not really but I love I love alone I love it why do you love it because I think it's an extraordinary challenge I think it's a legit you know and it's agree and and As a, you know, Survivor, it's got all of these things and these games and so on, which is gobs of fun, but it's all fabricated. Yes.

In this case, you've really got to stay alive, and you don't know when other people have peeled off. They don't die, but they tap out. Yes. How much do they win? A million dollars. A million dollars. And what I love about the psychology of that show is the way, because I relate, is the way people start to give up before giving up. Oh.

Wait, talk about that, I forgot. Because they start to, and I just, I love it because I recognize it, right? Which is when you start to talk yourself out of something, but you're not talking yourself out of it yet, but you're just playing around with the idea, because it's such a mental game. You have to just take the highs and lows and like, right. But when people are like, yeah, it's just, you know, my family, I'm sure my family's missing me a lot. Oh, yeah.

It's always men, you know, being like, my wife is probably struggling and you're like, oh, Oh, here he goes. Like, just a little day or two before just thinking about... That's right. I mean, I do want the money, but will my kid ever be... Ever have their third birthday again? You know, and you're like, here he goes. He's getting ready.

A couple days from now he's going to tap out. Like, that kind of bubbly stuff I love. Human behavior. I just like... It's so good. I want to watch alone with you. And I want to watch the new jury duty with you. And...

Oh, wait a minute. it. That would be fun. That would be fun. I would like to watch TV with you. Okay. Amy. Is that weird? I want to come over and I feel like get into some kind of comfy situation with you and Brad. Get under some kind of, not that way. Just. No, I understand. You get blankets. And get blankets. I feel like there'd be a good snack like a chip, like a delicious, salty chip. Yeah, but we need some yummy. we need some desserts happening. Are you sweet over savory? I like it all.

Yeah. But I love sweets. Okay. I'm more savory. So we can have sweet and some kind of chip. Okay. And we watch one of these shows and we, I'm picturing it now. Have you ever had dill pickle chips?

Yeah. Doesn't do it for you? It doesn't do it for me, but I love the idea of them. Oh, God. It's making my mouth water just talking about it. Let's get some of those. We'll get some of this. But you don't like a little.

We'll find something else. Do you like salt and vinegar? I enjoy a salt and vinegar. Me too. Yeah. Love that. Love it. And also, I'm a basic Doritos bitch.

Really? I know. Not a sponsor. Is now. Not after what you, the face you just made. That's the slogan. I'm a Doritos, basic Doritos bitch. Really?

That's it. That's the commercial. I love you, Julia. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. This has been so fun to hang out. I knew it would be fun. I didn't know it would be this much fun. And I can't wait until I reach 70 so I can come on your show.

Yeah. Thank you so much, Julia. That was so fun. It's always so fun to get to be around you and laugh with you and do bits. And for this polar plunge, I just want to mention one of the guests. on Julia's podcast Wiser Than Me, who I just love, and that is the author Anne Lamott. And if you're listening, I love you. And if you don't know Anne Lamott's work, she is a very prolific and successful author who has written books like operating instructions and bird by bird and tender

mercies, many works of fiction, her latest book somehow, thoughts on love is out. And she's just a really candid, funny, deeply funny, tender, big thinker. And I don't know, I just love her. And I hope I get to have her on this pod someday. Check out her podcast with Julia. Check out Julia's podcast. Listen to podcasts. Podcasts are great.

We love podcasts. Okay, thanks. Bye. You've been listening to Goodhame. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Katz-Belaine,

Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zaneris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.