Witnessed: Devil in the Ditch - Cut, Color, Kill | 5. The Other Man

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

Two suspects left Fabio dead, poolside. But eight years after the murder, the lookout is still at large. Finding him blows the case wide open. Want the full story? Binge every episode of Cut, Color, Kill ad-free now by subscribing to The Binge+. You’ll unlock over 60 true crime series instantly, get early access to drops on the first of every month, and hear exclusive bonus episodes. Search for the channel on Apple Podcasts or head to GetTheBinge.com. For behind-the-scenes details, join our free newsletter at Patreon.com/TheBinge. Cut, Color, Kill is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and Novel. Follow @sonypodcasts and discover more at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices at podcastchoices.com/adchoices. The Binge — feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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to listen wherever you are. The Binge. Feed your true crime obsession. The bench. In the belly of the Van Nuys Courthouse, there is a place called The Lockup. It's directly underneath the courtroom down a flight of stairs. It's a room lined with grim cells. This is the holding place for the people who find themselves on trial here in the San Fernando Valley.

The inmates get dropped off by a prison van and led into one of the cells by a bailiff to wait. Monica. Yes. Are you okay? Are you? I am, but I am now. Today, those inmates are Monica Semin Tilly and Robert Baker. They're here at the courthouse for their arraignment hearing.

They've been placed in separate cells, but they're close enough to talk. You know they're recording everything, right? Okay. Robert Baker is absolutely right. Deputy District Attorney Beth Silverman has made sure of it. I told the detectives I wanted to put recording. devices into the cells at the Van Nuys courthouse. And while the bailiffs are going about their business, handling other inmates, these two have the opportunity to converse. This is the first time

Monica and Baker had been able to talk since they were arrested and separated two weeks ago. When Monica had learned that the police had found his DNA all over the scene of her husband's murder, you might expect her to be devastated or screaming at Baker, or at the very least, to have some questions. If you don't get out, just write me. Yes, yes, I'm course. Okay, and I've been told not to, but fuck that. Monica seems pretty calm.

She says she'll keep writing to Baker. In fact, she's brought a letter to the lockup, stashed in her bra. And within minutes, Baker is making grand declarations of love. It's different, love, babe. It's different. It's bigger, you know. It's bigger, man.

I'm not a marriage type of guy, but for you and under these circumstances. Robert Baker gets down on his knees on the dirty floor. Why are you doing? I'm dealing because I'm looking up at yourself. I'm looking at you to say something. I'm kneeling right now for you. I'll be proud. Very proud.

So, is that it, yes? This isn't just a marriage proposal. It's a commitment to fight the charges against them. I will stick with this. I'm stick by you, no matter what kind of shit they're trying to throw at us. I'm here. I ain't going anywhere. The couple start to whisper, but the recorders still pick up some of their conversation.

No deals, says Monica. No, man. Mm-mm. I'm with you, okay? I'm with you. That's my baby. Monica starts telling Baker what she knows about the evidence against them. Whose?

Oh, I think. Really? Yeah. Right now. Encrypted text, Monica says. It's circumstantial right now. But Baker is worried about the video evidence. They said there was a figure or figures in video.

So they saw it. They didn't say, what, nothing. and say it was anybody or anything. Works. They think that's me in the video, she says, because they can't find the other person. In the days after Fabio's murder, the police uncovered a surveillance video,

the one with the joggers, as detectives called them. Two figures and hoodies, with their faces covered, running towards Fabio's house, then driving away from the scene in Fabio's Portia. Right now, the investigators believe that one of those joggers is Robert Baker. But the other one can't be Monica. She was outrunning errands while Fabio was killed.

That means there's another person still out there who was involved in Fabio's murder. The police know it and their romantic prison cell conversation has just proven that Monica and Baker know it too. From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is Cut, Color, Kill. I'm Jonathan Hirsch. Episode 5, The Other Man. Just a few short months before the murder that will shock Woodland Hills, Fabio and Monica Semen Tilly are dancing in the kitchen to an old Italian love song. Monica is wearing a hoodie and slippers.

Fabio's in a track suit and socks. His feet slide on the tiled floor as they waltz about. They're giggling and singing along to the music. One of their daughters is filming. Now, the wife that Fabio is holding so tenderly is accused of his murder. This video of them dancing is part of a stack of evidence that Deputy DA Beth Silverman has to sip through. Monica Semantilly and Robert Baker have pled not guilty, which means this case will be going to trial. Digital investigators are trawling through Monica and Baker's phones and reviewing surveillance footage from the day of the murder.

We were still looking for who this third suspect, this other male individual who went up to the crime scene with Baker was. In the meantime, Beth Silverman starts making calls. Before Monica was arrested, the investigators couldn't ask anyone about her in case word got back to her. But now, if the prosecutor is going to take the case to trial, she needs to understand what people in Fabio's life knew about him and Monica. That means talking to friends, colleagues. and above all the Semantilly family. He met Monica through work. She did makeup, in addition to also being a hair model at times as well. Luigi Semantilly, Fabio's son, and the rest of his family in Canada believe Monica's guilty.

So they're happy to talk to the prosecutor. Luigi accepted Monica as his stepmom, but he tells Beth Silverman that he was well aware of the role she played in his parents' divorce. I know that the marriage between my mom and my dad had largely been intervened with by Monica. And it seemed like in order for her to get her way, she wouldn't let anything stand in the way of that. I had seen the ruthlessness of emotion of getting involved with the man who was married

and who had a son at home. And I'm not naive to think that my dad had no part in that. Of course, he did. But it takes two to tango. For Luigi, that ruthlessness he'd seen in Monica, made it easier for him to believe she could be capable of murder. It wasn't such a jump to accept that she was involved and she had orchestrated the whole affair. But for others it was too great a leap to take, and they couldn't accept it. For my sisters, their world was turned upside down far more than anyone else's.

Not only had they lost their dad six months prior, but now they'd also lost their mom. And in some way, for them and for Monica's family, this denial was necessary in order to salvage their worldview. I was doing my best to be diplomatic and to say, okay, I suppose we'll see. Not everyone on Fabio's side of the family has been so diplomatic. I've heard Luigi is one of the only ones still on speaking terms with his sisters. I admire your compassion for them. it's the human thing to do, to understand, and to not rush to judgment of them because of that.

That's a really hard place to be in when you're grieving. I appreciate you saying that. I know that as a maxim, people will accept something insofar as it fits what they already believe. And for her family and for my sisters, it didn't fit at all. We reached out to Luigi's sisters and Monica's family. they either declined to comment or didn't respond. Deputy D.A. Silverman puts a photo of Fabio and Luigi together on the notice board in her office.

As she digs into the case, she fills this notice board with more and more photos. Fabio beaming at the camera with his usual confidence. Fabio with the people that mattered most to him, his family. I always have photos of the victim. It's what keeps you going when you remember, you know, that there are people. who are destroyed by senseless crimes like this. Over long conversations, the Semantilies have brought Fabio to life for the prosecutor. He acted out his affection towards his family,

so he would often walk with his arm around me and stuff like that. And I would kind of shy away being an unconfident 13, 14-year-old. And I would say, Dad, come on, you know, don't embarrass me. Now if they could go back, I would say, you know, I'm not embarrassed. I love being with you, and I'm sorry I wasn't more confident to accept that display of affection as you had displayed it. Half of Fabio's family are standing by Monica, and those who believe she's guilty are counting on Silverman to get justice for Fabio. It's our job to sort of shepherd them through this really lengthy, horrible process and try to leave them on the other side of it as whole and completely. as you can, they put their trust in me, so I certainly don't want to let them down.

The prosecutor will have to keep building her case without Fabio's daughters. Meanwhile, in prison, Monica and Robert Baker are building their own. If you want a deeper look behind Cut, Color, Kill, now is the time. Join our free newsletter at patreon.com slash the binge, and you will get exclusive story details you can't get anywhere else. Again, join me at patreon.com slash the binge. My name is Sarah Turney. I spent years fighting for justice for my missing sister, Alyssa Turney, before an arrest was finally made in her case after nearly 20 years. But after my experience with the media, law enforcement, and the court system, I knew I couldn't stop with Alyssa's

case. I know what it's like to fight for media attention. for answers and for justice. After I stopped telling my sister's story, I knew I wanted to help as many other victims, survivors, and families as I could. On my podcast, Voices for Justice, I provide unique insight into these tragic cases because I know what it's like to not just listen to these stories,

but to live them. And more importantly, how to help them by being a true voice for justice. Listen to Voices for Justice in your favorite podcast player today. You can be so much more than just a passive consumer of true crime. You have the power to help. In a stark jail visitation stall, Monica Semen Tilly is looking at her 16-year-old daughter Bella through a thick pane of glass.

Bella is here to visit her mom, and they're speaking across the glass through a phone line. She's just shown Monica a tattoo she wants to get. Now, Monica has something to show her. That's good. You want to see mine? Sure. Okay. Monica turns and lifts her hair up to show Bella something on the back of her neck. I can't see anything.

I can't see it. I can't see it at all. What does it say? It's a drawing in ballpoint pen. It says ride or die. Ride or die. Bella's face falls. It's just a pen.

I want to joke around with you. Maybe it's the sight of her normally immaculately turned out mother with a crude prison tattoo. Maybe she doesn't know the significance of these words. But Deputy D.A. Silverman does. When she gets a hold of the footage of this jail visit, she recognizes the words, ride or die, instantly. She's seen it before, over and over. In letters, Monica and Robert Baker

have been sending to each other while they're in prison. Ride or die is the two of them, Baker and Seminthili, telling each other how they're each other's ride or die. they're going to take what they've done to the grave, and they're going to spend the rest of their lives together. They write it in cursive letters, big hearts, and on cartoon pornographic drawings. In one letter, Monica even tells Baker

that she's had a ring made for him, with ride or die inscribed on it. She's playing with Isabella, right? Which I think is particularly cruel, because Isabella doesn't know. Monica's like, oh, look at this tattoo I have in pen. on the back of my neck. Part of why Beth Silverman finds this so cruel

is because of what she knows about Monica's movements on the day Fabio was killed. The detectives have the whole thing plotted out. She had left just before the murder to go run some errands and then was caught on surveillance video from the target coming out and being glued to her cell phone in the store for a period of time, but came out with a tiny little bag of purchases.

All day long, while Monica is running those errands, she's sending messages. On the afternoon of the murder, Isabella is at school and has a job interview after class. At 140, Monica sends a message to her, saying, text me after the interview. And let me know when you're on your way. I'm making fatina and corn for dinner. Later that afternoon, Monica is out of the shops and her other daughter, Jessica, is still at home with Fabio. At 340, Monica texts Jessica.

Don't be late for babysitting. I won't, L.O.L., she replies. A few minutes later, Jessica heads out to her babysitting job, leaving Fabio alone. About six minutes after that, at 3.53 p.m., Monica connects to the app set up to view her home security cameras. 25 minutes later, the two suspects with their faces covered are caught on a street surveillance camera, running toward the Semantilly house. Four minutes after that, while the suspects are still at the house, Monica gets a call from Isabella, who has finished her job interview.

Monica sends Isabella on a detour to pick up some glasses from the eye doctor on her way home. At 452, Monica leaves the store she's in and starts driving home, just as the suspects back at the house make their getaway Fabio's Porsche. One minute after the killers flee, Isabella Semantilly arrived. home to find her father's body. It was just such a very coincidental timeline that she had set up where she just happened to come home, I don't know, four minutes behind her daughter. To the prosecutor, this doesn't look like a coincidence.

It looks carefully choreographed. Because on January 23rd, while Monica was texting her daughters and running errands, she was also using an encrypted app called Viber. Although the investigators can't read the messages, they can't. can see when they were sent and to who. And between 6 a.m. and 5.14 p.m., just after Fabio was killed, Monica exchanged 95 messages with Robert Baker. She has manipulated her youngest daughter so that she will find her father's body, right?

So she's not the one to find her husband's body first to sort of distance herself from the crime. She's used her youngest daughter to do that. And now she's joking with her daughter on what's an inside secret between her and her lover who have conspired to murder her daughter's father. To me, that was just a perfect example of who Monica Semenelius and how she treated and thought about her daughter. Beth Silverman has been keeping close tabs on Monica and Baker in prison. They've been going to increasingly desperate measures to stay in contact. I'm buying other people's minutes so I can use them.

So it's like a different name every time I call in. Using other inmates to send mail to each other through fake names, using other people's booking numbers to place calls through third parties on the outside so they could actually get on the phone. The next time we call, I need to give you a way we can communicate stuff that we don't want no one to know about us. Silverman knows they're conspiring. But she won't know exactly what their defense strategy is until the trial.

There are endless delays in request to revisit evidence. Monica's defense team also keeps requesting to speak with Robert Baker. In the meantime, Fabio's family are stuck in limbo. Over in Canada, with the holidays approaching, Luigi is trying to grieve, with the case still hanging over him. The first Christmas without my dad was a particularly painful event, and it reminded me of something that he told me years ago. I remember asking him when his father died, what was that like to deal with? And I specifically remember him saying, it was hard at first to deal with his death and deal with the funeral and the whirlwind of people.

But the hardest part came when the people stopped coming. Because you realized life has to go on in this new way without this person in your life, and you just have to accept it. And that's what that first Christmas in 2017 felt. Like, it was that realization of this is really it. It's this kind of dull agony that never quite goes away. Details about the case, details about the affair, details about the murder, came in trickles once a month, once every two months, a few times a week.

It was like a faucet that you could never quite close. I remember going to a wedding of a good friend of mine. And moments before leaving the hotel room, as I had been joined, dressed and ready to celebrate with my friends, getting an email or a call with some question, some new information. And when that happened, it thrusted me back into the grief. Yeah, you're not watching this like it's some movie. It's not some form of entertainment for you. You're not like waiting on every turn of a story. This is your real life. Absolutely. I'm not watching a true crime story where these details are a matter of entertainment

or a plot twist. This was part of my life in the sense of grief and I can't speak for others but I had a hard time living my life being constantly reminded of my grief and the worst thing

the murder of my dad had already happened. Luigi doesn't want the constant drip drip details. Others might but he chooses to preserve his peace. He's waiting for the trial. That trial and with it the promise of closure keeps getting postponed. It drags on for months and years. Eventually, a date is set for summer 2020, but when L.A. is hit by the COVID pandemic, everything is held up indefinitely.

In 2023, more than six years after his father's death, Luigi Semantilly gets a call. It's Deputy D.A. Silverman. She said she's got some news and I knew something big had happened. She told me Baker is changing his plea. I should fly out to make a statement and to be there for when it happened. In that moment, as he starts preparing to fly to California, Luigi only has one thought in mind. One down, one to go. On July 7th of Friday, 2023, Robert Baker stands before a judge in the downtown courthouse.

Luigi is in the courtroom, and there are lots of Fabio's friends, like his old Wella friends, Carol, Alicia, and Melanie. Here I am in this courtroom, just looking at this individual person here who murdered our friend. It's just weird. Knowing all the things that you know about Robert Baker, you know, convicted sex offender and in the porn industry and just not a savory human being, you look at what this woman has spent 20 years of her life creating, you know, two beautiful daughters. and then you're like, you threw that away for him? I guess you get caught up in a manipulation,

you get caught up in like lust and greed, and like, wow, it's just wine blowing. How does that happen? Robert Baker announces to the court that he's pleading no contest to the charges against him. The judge explicitly said, are you aware that pleading no contest is the same as pleading guilty?

And he affirmed, and then that was it. The person who went and killed my dad was going to face justice and spend the rest of his life behind bars. The judge sentences Robert Baker to life without the possibility of parole. What you need to understand here is that Robert Baker isn't taking a plea deal. There's no offer on the table. He's waiving his right to a trial, and the judge can still impose the maximum sentence. With the charges Baker is admitting to first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder, A life sentence is basically a given.

It's really, really unusual in a murder trial for someone to do this. Anybody else in their right mind would have taken a shot at going to trial and convincing at least one person that either Monica led you to do this or come up with some other excuse for why his DNA was in the house and in Fabio's car. If Baker pled not guilty and went to trial, the worst case scenario for him would be the sentence he's just received. So Deputy D.A. Silverman knows there must be a reason he's doing this. The only reasonable conclusion from his plea was that he was going to take the blame and try and get Monica off.

Robert Baker has written a letter to Monica and given it to her defense team. It says in January 2017, when this all happened, the intent was to actually deliver a gift for your birthday. Baker writes that he wanted to surprise Monica by leaving a present somewhere only she would find it. So he snuck into the house and placed a gift under Monica's pillow. Then, when he went out to the patio, he ran into Fabio. It went bad from there, he writes. All I remember is going down numb. I knew I'd been hit hard by something.

I sort of blanked out with fear, panic, and my last thought was I'm going to be killed. I grabbed whatever I could to defend myself and let instinct take over. Baker tries to make it sound like he killed Fabio and self-dict. offense, then staged the scene to look like a home invasion gone wrong. And most importantly, Monica had nothing to do with it. A date for Monica's trial is set for early 2025. And now, prosecutor Silverman knows what she's up against. But the case is about to be shaken up again. Because a new detective has been going back through the digital evidence ahead of the trial, she's found something. She noticed that Baker had

sent a Facebook message soon after the murder to somebody we didn't know who wasn't coming up as somebody who was regularly communicating with Baker, nor was he in communication with Monica when we tried to link phone numbers together. After years of searching for the missing jogger from the surveillance video, the cops have a new lead. If you wanted to ruin your life, he really could. We all know the internet has a dark side, but there's one online predator who unleashed hell on his targets. An internet terrorist. That's the best thing to describe him as.

He's after young female gamers, and he'd turn their dream of becoming a big-time streamer into a never-ending nightmare. We get big, bright lights in our face, and we have guns pointed at us. There is no logging off, and there's no getting away. Eventually, you get a message from this guy. If you want this to stop, you have to talk to me. The cops need to figure out who's the mastermind behind it all. I can't believe what I just saw. And stop him before it's too late.

Oh my gosh. How is he doing all of this? From Sony Music Entertainment and Novel, this is You Are Next. Coming June 1 to the binge, listen wherever you get your podcasts. It's October 24. And Deputy District Attorney Heather Steggel is on a plane flying from L.A. to Washington State. Heather works on the same floor as Beth Silverman,

so she's heard about the Monica Semantilly case. She was talking to me about it in the hallway, and it was fascinating. The minute she asked me, would you want to do this with me and do the trial? I said, yes, yes, yes, I want to do it. Deputy D.A. Stegel starts reading through the case file so the two prosecutors can strategize.

She can see there's a strong circumstantial case against Monica here, but nothing is ever totally certain. Is it enough? We don't have a confession in terms of I did it. It's a female defendant. Juries tend to feel sympathetic for female defendants. I don't know why, but I've had it happen before, too. Then there's the question still hanging over the case.

The missing suspect, the other jogger caught on the surveillance cameras, running towards Fabio's house. Whenever we're prosecutors and we do a trial, we hate when there's something left unanswered. We knew that was going to be an issue because people want to be. I know. We want to know. The family wants to know who is that second person. That person has remained a mystery for years. But in 2019, a new detective, Mitzi Roberts, joined the case. She's been trawling back through the digital evidence and she found a

Facebook message from Robert Baker. In this message, Baker directed him to download WhatsApp, which is an encrypted application for them to communicate. The name of the man Baker messaged is Christopher Austin. At the time of the murder, he was living in Alaska, but he'd grown up in the same neighborhood as Robert Baker, and his dad was a friend of Baker. The investigators start digging and pass on what they find to the prosecutors. He seemed to be staying on and off with Rob Baker, doing odds and end jobs.

He was driving him. He was kind of like his errand boy, almost. This makes sense to the prosecutors. A lackey is exactly the kind of profile they're looking for. Most of these crimes, just from experience, a lot of times they have lookouts, because you're going somewhere where you're not supposed to be. Someone could come home. Someone could call the police.

So we assumed that the second person jogged up the hill with Rob Baker. We assumed it was a lookout. The investigators pull flight records and subpoena financial records. On the 12th of January, Robert Baker made a payment to someone in Alaska. Then on the 22nd of January, 2017, the day before the murder, Christopher Austin took an Alaskan Airlines flight to L.A. They knew that he was in the area. He was friends with Rob. He had gone to Los Angeles.

They had tracked him to Los Angeles, but it wasn't quite enough to put him at the scene of the crime and involved in the crime. The detectives already know that on January 23rd, the day of the murder, Robert Baker rented a car to get to the scene of the crime. Turns out that 45 minutes after Fabio was murdered, Christopher Austin got a traffic ticket in that same rental car.

At that point, all the pieces started falling into place. Deputy D.A. Stegel and a team of a dozen or so detectives fly to Washington State to arrest Christopher Austin. If he's willing to talk, this could crack Monica's case wide open. It's been more than seven years since the murder. Austin has moved to Washington State. He seems to have made a fresh start there. He had a small child. He was married.

He'd been working as a probation officer. He didn't have any problems in the job. He was, for lack of better words, well respected in his career. Christopher Austin is about to get a big surprise. On the morning of October 2nd, Deputy DA Steggle and another dozen investigators arrive at the local police station in Vancouver, Washington. We're in a big conference room. There's a giant screen.

What they had is they had cameras looking at Christopher Austin's house. More detectives are surrounding Austin's house, waiting for him to leave. They had a team out there ready to follow him and arrest him as he's driving to work. They've got another team waiting as soon as he's arrested to go in and speak with his wife simultaneously. All of it's very strategic because it has to happen at the same time where Christopher isn't able to necessarily call his wife, get stories straight. So they've got to have a lot of different people in place for this arrest. Pulling him over, like they don't know if there's a gun in the car, what he's going to do, who this guy really is. Deputy D.A. Steggle watches through the camera feed as the door to the house opens.

Right on time, Christopher Austin is setting off to work, but he's not alone. He left with his daughter. That was not planned. These detectives do not want to stop him with his daughter in the car. So then we're in the room thinking, what's going on? Are we going to arrest him or not? This is not a good time. We're all on a little bit of pins and needles on. Where's he going if he's with his daughter?

We're not going to do anything. We're going to let him go on his errands and he might just go home. And then the plan's going to have to be revamped. Detective's tail Austin as he drives his daughter to daycare. Once he drops her off, it's safe to move in. Heather Stegel gets word from the team in the field. We've got him. We're bringing him into the station, and that's when we know it.

It's go time. I'll see you in that chair over there. Christopher Austin is placed in a cell and then taken into an interview room by two LAPD detectives. This is my partner in tech providers. Over in the conference room, Deputy D.A. Steggel is watching the whole thing play out on a live video feed. Everything has been building to this moment. The minute he says, I want a lawyer, I don't want to talk to you, the detectives have to stop. That's his right. He didn't do that. He just started talking.

So may I say something? I truly do understand that you guys are here to do a job. We are. I really do. It's my understanding that you're here for a reason. He knows exactly why he's there, and it seemed like this weight had been on him for years and years and years. Austin's body language is defeated. He tells the detectives he's been waiting for them to find him.

I'm listening and I'm taking notes. They're asking him about the killing of Fabio. It was supposed to go in rough mud. Take a couple things. It didn't happen that way. So how did it happen? And he just says, and then I covered his eyes and then I stabbed him. It was one, two, three, and go.

When I was stabbed. Wait, what? I was like, did he just say he stabbed him? How many times did you stab him? Austin holds up one finger. What happened? Once? Where?

Austin gestures to the side of his neck. It seems like he can hardly speak. That was not on my radar. I was not expecting him to say that. We always assumed going into that interview that there was one stabber and that was Robert Baker. We thought the second person was more of a lookout.

And I remember looking around being like, is anyone hearing what I'm hearing? Like, what? So now we've got two people actually involved in the physical stabbing. murder of Fabio Semantilly. But even more than that, Austin says there's a reason

that he and Baker knew when Fabio would be alone. How did he know when to go? Is he talking to her? She said he's in the house. Right before this murder happened, Monica called Baker and said,

now, now's the time, let's go. She's the ringleader. She's directing it. Everything went through her. Next time, on the finale of Cut Color Kill. Monica's trial finally arrives, and two confessed killers take the witness stand.

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