Witnessed: Devil in the Ditch - The Crimes of Margo Freshwater | 1. The Breakout

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Margo Freshwater is just 18 when she tries to bail out a friend charged with armed robbery. She ends up in big trouble of her own, when she and a much older man tear across the South like Bonnie and C...lyde, shooting first and asking questions later. Binge all episodes of The Crimes of Margo Freshwater ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. Join our free newsletter at Patreon.com/TheBinge. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. The Crimes of Margo Freshwater is brought to you by Glass Entertainment and Sony Music Entertainment. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:07 Visit the Binge channel on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page or visit getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. The Binge. Feed your true crime obsession. The Binge. It looked like any other evening at the Tennessee Prison for Women on the northeast outskirts of Nashville. It was a fall night, October 4th, 1970.
Starting point is 00:01:39 A line of inmates was heading across the yard under the watch of a single guard. But for weeks, two women in that line had been imagining the moment when routine might crack open. Tonight, they sensed it. We had gone to the church and we were headed back and there was about 20 of us in the group and there was this older guard gentleman. They figured in an all-out sprint, they'd be able to beat this guy. They were young after all.
Starting point is 00:02:11 And Faye and I were about in the middle of the group. She said, go. Go. The two of them peeled away from the line, cutting through the herd like a sudden current. I took my jacket off and threw it over the barbed wire, and I was up and over the fence without any problems. Now, she was a lot taller, so I didn't think she would have a problem, and she got hung up on it.
Starting point is 00:02:37 The guard called out, but the echo disappeared almost instantly, swallowed by adrenaline. I was nervous. I just kept telling her, you know, come on. So she got off the fence, and we started running. Floodlights swept across the ground, catching only dust and falling leaves. As we're running through the woods, we could hear the trees. the dogs. And we come across this creek. And we
Starting point is 00:03:08 waited through the creek for quite a while. The creek ran shallow and black, cutting a thin silver line through the woods. They were wearing blue prison dresses with jeans underneath. The denim clung, soaked and heavy. The cold settled deep into their bones. And then we got back up on the grass, and she started sprinkling pepper around.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Fay had pocketed a pepper shaker from the cafeteria earlier that day, tucking it into her uniform like contraband. I said, what's the pepper for? And she said, so when the dogs come after us, we'll sprinkle the pepper and that'll throw them off. Then we took off running more and we came to the highway. We ran down the middle of the highway, hoping that would throw off.
Starting point is 00:03:59 are sent. The two women kept moving, steady rhythm, no words between them, just breath and the sounds of pursuit fading behind. And then there was this house and it had some shrubs beside it. I said, let's get on the other side of the shrub. Scoot in as close as you can underneath. So we scooted in and I said, keep your face away from the road and cover up your hands. So nothing's showing. They pressed their bodies into damp earth. Guards on foot fanned out across the dark. Beams of light swept wildly through the trees as their voices closed in.
Starting point is 00:04:44 And the whole time I'm praying while their flashlights are going over the top of us. And we can hear them talking. that seemed like an eternity and I prayed so hard please Lord don't let him find us and they stopped right there along the road not more than 50 feet from us they waited and waited
Starting point is 00:05:12 and waited finally they said we don't know where they went and they left at last there was silence After we know they're gone for sure, we get up and we take off the uniforms and we have on our street clothes. Then headlights broke the dark. And Faye flags down the truck driver.
Starting point is 00:05:39 He pumped the brakes as dust kicked up around them. Faye didn't hesitate. And she gives him a story. She told him that we were sisters. And we were out there because my boyfriend was acting up. believable enough, the trucker bought it. She says, we're going to go to my relatives in Maryland. The truck driver took us to a truck stump.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I found another truck driver that was headed that way. And just like that, two women vanished from the Tennessee Prison for Women and into the night. One of them, just 22 years old, would stay gone for more than 30 years. out-foxing federal agents, leaving behind any trace of who she used to be. People considered her so dangerous, they wanted her behind bars for 99 years. But she rewrote the script.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Her name is Margot Freshwater. Or it used to be anyway. From Sony Music Entertainment and Glass Podcasts, this is the crimes of Margo Freshwater. I'm Cooper Mall. Episode 1. The breakout. When everything feels stacked against you, have you ever just wanted to disappear, to slip out of your
Starting point is 00:07:10 circumstances and find a clean slate? I think we all have, at some point, imagined what it would be like to walk away from our lives entirely, to break free. When Margot Freshwater escaped, the war in Vietnam was raging. The battle for civil rights continued on the streets and in the courts, and in Ohio, the National Guard had opened fire on. college students, killing four. It was a time when so many people were searching for a way out, imagining different futures. It was an era marked by unrest and defiance. Everyone wanted change.
Starting point is 00:07:47 And Margo chose her own version of it. Only her rebellion began with a prison break. I've met a lot of people who've heard of Margo Freshwater in some way. Like me, they'd seen her mugshot. A black and white close-up of a teenage girl in a striped crew neck. Blonde eyebrows plucked to a faint line, a cold dead stare. Her mouth clamped like it's locked and she threw away the key. Richard Knudson first heard of Margot in 1971. He's retired from the FBI now, but back then, he was a newly minted agent. She had dropped out of high school and she had had some problem in juvenile-type situations for a while.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Kind of like a wild child, you might say. By the time she escaped the Tennessee prison for women, Margot had already learned how to survive by impulse. The only parent she'd ever known was her mother, and she kicked Margo out of their home in Columbus, Ohio, when Margo was 18. By then, she'd gotten pregnant out of wedlock, and well, her mother wasn't having any of it. So she showed Margot the door. Margo was a fallen girl, a Betty Rizzo, you might say. The gal with a short dark hair in Greece who had a pregnant woman. scare. Except Margo had been pregnant, given birth, given up her baby, all of it. When Margo was out of luck, a friend, a guy named Al Shlareth, was one of the only people to stick by her. He took her to
Starting point is 00:09:17 appointments, put her up in an apartment, made sure she was eating well. So when Al got locked up in Memphis on an armed robbery charge in October of 1966, Margo wanted to show up for him in turn. But she had no idea how helping a friend would derail her life forever. So she headed nearly 600 miles south to find someone who could help Al get out of jail. In the course of that journey, she got hooked up with Glenn Nash, who was, I'll call him a jailhouse type lawyer. Glenn Nash was 38. He had the heir of a man who had made something of himself. But Margot was just 18.
Starting point is 00:09:56 She had no idea how precarious this guy's situation. really was. Four years before this, the local Bar Association in Chattanooga started disbarment proceedings against him. They said he was camping out in hospital emergency rooms, hustling accident victims for legal business the moment they came through the door. Jailhouse lawyer seems generous. Sounds a lot more like an ambulance chaser to me. Everyone's met a guy like this. Short in stature, big in bravado. 5-7, wiry build, brown hair, blue eyes. Nash was intense, a heavy drinker, someone who could flip from polite to volatile and a heartbeat. Before he could get disbarred,
Starting point is 00:10:43 Nash quietly skipped town. So as crazy as it sounds, you could get disciplined in one city and just go set up shop in another city and practice law. That's attorney Stephen Ross Johnson. If anyone knows Tennessee law, it's him. He's been the president of the the Tennessee Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, and he's a professor at the state's college of law. He knows the lore of Margo Freshwater and Glenn Nash better than most to anybody. He goes to Memphis, he opens a law firm, he ran a karate dojo at night. He opened an office downtown, but couldn't keep up with the rent. When the landlord finally locked him out, Nash moved his files into his karate school.
Starting point is 00:11:24 his wife Anne, who he'd married, divorced, and then married again, helped him run karate classes at night. By that point, the chaos in his personal life was catching up to the chaos in his work. The FBI and local police were investigating him in connection with a post office burglary, and he was fighting a contempt of court charge handed down by a Tennessee judge. These were the signs of a man sliding toward ruin,
Starting point is 00:11:51 and as he fell, Margot would fall with him. Here's an 18-year-old girl coming down to Tennessee to try to help her boyfriend and gets hooked up with an attorney who turns out to be a nut case. What Margo didn't know when she walked into Nash's makeshift office was that her friend Al had made his own kind of deal behind bars, one that would hand her life over to a stranger. He struck a deal with Glenn Nash. I don't have any money to pay you, but I've got an 18-year-old friend, Margot. in Columbus. Perhaps she could foot the bill? Not sure why Al would think Margo,
Starting point is 00:12:31 who bounced around between babysitting and waiting tables, could afford a retainer. But she had one thing Al didn't have, the ability to hold a job. And by the time she got down there, Nash already had one teed up for her. Margo comes down from Ohio, and Nash already has a place where to live,
Starting point is 00:12:50 set up with another family. He introduced her to James and Edna, a Coonio, a local couple who needed a babysitter, and the money she earned would go to Al's defense. She told the Coonio she'd stick around until Al's trial in January. But over those few weeks, her connection with Nash started to evolve. Little did Margo anticipate that this arrangement would come with some unexpected strings. I don't know about you, but if my mom caught wind I was hanging around some older guy hundreds of miles away in order to help a friend get out of jail,
Starting point is 00:13:26 she'd personally come down and drag my ass home. But Margot didn't have a family like that. At this moment in her life, Al had been the only person looking out for her. That is, until Glenn Nash came along. And the two of them, incredibly enough, struck up some kind of a relationship. Nash was dropping by the Cuneo's place
Starting point is 00:13:48 constantly to spend time with Marrars. Before long, Margo was spending less time with the kids she was babysitting and more time with Nash. She was also spending a lot of time at Nash's karate dojo law office, and within a few weeks, they were sleeping together too. Just weeks after Margo moved in, the Kunios had had enough. They kicked Margo out of the house, but let her keep babysitting. Margo found a small boarding room on Peabody Avenue, not far from downtown Memphis. and Nash followed her there too.
Starting point is 00:14:22 He paid her rent, telling her landlady he was her uncle. Maybe Margo was just putting up with Glenn Nash, or maybe she'd fallen for him. It was hard to tell. But what was true was she was counting on Nash's help to get Al out of jail. If she caused a rift,
Starting point is 00:14:40 she would lose the one roof over her head and Al would lose his lawyer. They'd both be screwed. From the moment Nash became Al's life, lawyer, boundaries and ethics were out the window. He had taken up with his client's girlfriend. He was becoming obsessed with Margot and she was relying on him to come through for Al. It didn't take long for things to come to a head. Margo was desperate and lonely. Nash was volatile, controlling, and often drunk. Only one month after Margo met Glenn Nash, everything imploded.
Starting point is 00:15:16 And they'd take off on a killing spree and kill three people. People. Hey, Sal. Hank, what's going on? We haven't worked a case in years. I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy, too easy. Think something's up? You tell me, they got thousands of options.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Found a great car and a great prize. Uh-huh. And it got delivered the next day. It sounds like Carbana just makes it easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right. Case closed. Buy your car today on. Delivery fees may apply. It was a cool December night in Memphis, 1966.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Street lights pulled yellow on the pavement, and the city was settling into its quiet rhythm. Around 6 o'clock, Margot was at the Cunio's house on Peabody, doing her usual babysitting shift. Glenn Nash was there too. That night, he was drinking. Mrs. Cunio noticed it right away, the smell, the slur, the heaviness in his movements.
Starting point is 00:16:22 When she told him to knock it off, Nash didn't put up a fight. When it was time to clock out, Margot gathered her things and left the house. She walked home alone in the dim streetlight glow, probably thinking she'd seen the last of Nash for the night. But just a few minutes later, he showed up at her door,
Starting point is 00:16:43 and the two of them left together in a white Ford Fair Lane. They drove off into the Memphis night, no clear destination, just headlights cutting through. the dark. Nash said he needed alcohol and he goes into the liquor store. Square D liquor, an unremarkable bodega. You can kind of picture this place in your head.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Your town definitely has one. Inside, the air smelled of stale beer and linoleum cleaner. A radio murmured behind the counter. The proprietor of the liquor store was Hillman Robbins Sr. Hilman Robbins is waiting on customers as they come in. Hillman was 60 years old, a soft-spoken Mempheon. The liquor store job was just a favor, a temporary side gig, helping out his friend who owned the place.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Hillman filled in a few nights a week, usually working the six-to-11 shift. When Nash stumbled in, Robbins nodded hello, polite and unsuspecting. Margot waited a bit in the car, but Nash was taking too long. So she went in to join him, and that's when. Nash pulls a gun on him. In seconds, this sleepy liquor store was the scene of a stick-up.
Starting point is 00:18:03 He tells Hillman Robbins to get into the back of the store. There's a little back room. He shoves Hillman Robbins against the wall. The bell over the door jingled. A new customer. Nash leaned close to Margo. His voice low enough only she could hear. He tells Margo to go back there and tells Margo,
Starting point is 00:18:23 you get out there and you wait on that man. it. Behind the counter, Margo kept her hand steady, pretending everything was fine, like this customer hadn't walked into the middle of a robbery. She was conducting herself like she was working there, handling customers, handling money. She was giving out liquor. That's Judge John Campbell, a former deputy DA in Shelby County, where this crime all went down. She did not let anybody think there was anything wrong. This was Margo's chance to get out, but she stayed. She then comes to the back and Glenn Nash kicks the back door open as she's going out the back door, pop, pop. Nash and Margo B-lined toward his white Ford Fair Lane, idling in the alley.
Starting point is 00:19:11 As a pool of blood formed around Hillman's body, they tore off into the night. They had stolen $616.85. Hardly worth a man's life. I got the Memphis PD offense report from that night. It's classified as a criminal homicide, defendant, unknown. Here's what went down when they arrived on the scene. A car hop that was working nearby had nipped into D square liquor for a bottle of gin, but nobody answered when he pounded on the counter.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Then, from somewhere behind a door in the back, a gurgle broke the silence. The strained gagging jolted him. Something was clearly wrong. He picked up the phone and called for help. Minutes later, the first patrol car pulled up outside. The neon sign was still glowing. The door unlocked. Lights on inside.
Starting point is 00:20:11 But the place was empty. Officers called out to no answer. Then one of them pushed through the narrow hallway to the back room. That's where they found Hillman Robin Sr. on the floor. His hands bound with seagrass rope. His body's still. He'd been shot several times. times, close range, execution style.
Starting point is 00:20:33 There were two guns that were used, a 22 and a 38. The 22 is something that a woman would have. In other words, it looked like Margot had shot Hillman Robbins, not just her older boyfriend. Over the next 12 days, Margot and Nash never stayed in one place too long. They were almost like a Bonnie and Clyde situation. Bonnie and Clyde were Depression-era outlaws turned to legends. a couple of kids from Texas who robbed banks, outran the cops, and went out in a storm of gunfire on a backroad in Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:21:12 When Bonnie and Clyde hit movie screens in 1967, it turned them into icons, stylish, fearless, and in love, standing up to a world they couldn't beat. Even now, their names still mean rebellion, passion, and the thrill of running when you know you probably won't make it far. And when the film became a cultural touchstone, Observers quickly pointed out the similarities between the story and the case that was unfolding in the South.
Starting point is 00:21:40 For a moment, Margot and Nash seemed to fit that same mold, wild, reckless, and on the run, feeding a story that was already starting to sound like legend. They left Memphis the night Hillman Robin Sr. was killed and headed east. First stop, Nashville, where they hold up for the night, laying low, drinking bourbon, and plotting their next move. From there, it was a zigzag trail across the south. Atlanta, Georgia, then Titusville, Florida, they stayed in cheap motels under fake names.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Nothing that stuck. On December 18th, 12 days after Hillman Robin Sr. was gunned down in cold blood, they stopped at a convenience store north of Fort Lauderdale in a small town called Oakland Park. What happened next, followed the same rhythm as Memphis. Nash and Margo walked into a convenience store, and pulled the trigger again. This time, on Esther Bouye, a 45-year-old clerk working the night shift.
Starting point is 00:22:45 She was shot twice, both bullets through the back. This wasn't self-defense. This was cold-blooded murder. A murder with no witnesses. This was officially a spree. Two people committing random acts of violence. To what end? Was survival the reason?
Starting point is 00:23:07 Did robbery keep gas in the car and food in their mouths? If violence worked once, maybe the fear of doing it again began to fade. Each stop on the map demanded a new way to stay ahead. And the cost kept rising. By late December, the road brought them back to Tennessee. On the 26th, they checked into the Rip Van Winkle Motel in Millington, just outside of Memphis.
Starting point is 00:23:36 The two were hungry, restless, and out of money. They'd abandoned the car on Highway 51 North. The two introduced themselves as Mr. and Mrs. Glenn Nash from West Memphis. They paid with a bad check and took a room for the night. Little did they know? While the phony Mr. and Mrs. slept soundly after a rampaging two weeks, the police found their getaway car. It was locked, out of gas, a Georgia plate bolted to the back.
Starting point is 00:24:04 Inside, maps of convenience stores around Fort Lauderdale, boxes of 22 and 38 caliber ammo and a dark gray checkered sport coat. The same kind witnesses said the man who killed Hillman Robin Sr. had been wearing that night. Police had found the vehicle they were looking for, but the fugitives were nowhere to be found. Come morning, December 27th,
Starting point is 00:24:28 after a night where they slept more soundly than they should have, they called a taxi in Millington. The driver, C.C. Surat, was 54, a family man wrapping up his shift. Margot and Nash were his last customers said they were headed to Mississippi. The cab hummed across the state line, the headlights washed over the bare winter trees,
Starting point is 00:24:50 the road empty for miles. Then, two flashes lit the inside of the car. And they wound up killing the Mississippi cab driver. Another execution style killing, to the back of the head, while Surrett was still in the driver's seat. Their body count, now three. They fled the scene, came up with fake names,
Starting point is 00:25:14 John and Sue Williams from Newark, and the two were back in the wind. After the cab driver C.C. Surratt's body was discovered by police, witnesses said they spotted a man and woman running across a field and hopping into a truck on Highway 61. Police tracked down the trucker, a guy named Robert Thornton, who said he'd pick them up and dropped them in Clarksdale. From there, it looked like they were heading south.
Starting point is 00:25:43 By late afternoon, the Mississippi Highway Patrol confirmed sightings of the parent Clarksdale, and word went out to local police. Officers started checking the trailways in Greyhound stations, figuring the fugitives were traveling by bus. The Greyhound manager told them the next one from Clarksdale was due at 725 p.m. Finally, they were apprehended in Desoto County, Mississippi, which is just one county south. of Memphis. Bonnie and Clyde were officially busted at a Greyhound station. There was no fight and no chase, only the sharp click of handcuffs and the flash of police lights outside as they were led into the cool Mississippi night. At the station, officers opened Nash's briefcase. Inside,
Starting point is 00:26:32 wrapped in a pair of underwear was a 38 caliber Italian revolver. It was loaded with four live rounds, and one spent shell under the hammer. The pair were booked into the DeSoto County Jail, a narrow hallway of concrete cells and metal doors. The ballistics were clear enough. The 38 caliber rounds pulled from Nash's car matched the ones that tore through Robbins and Surat's bodies. In Florida, the evidence pointed in the same direction.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Nash's fingerprints were lifted from a shopping cart inside the Oakland Park convenience store and hand-drawn maps of Florida were later found in his abandoned car. But there was a big problem in all these states putting Nash on trial. During the process, Glenn Nash was found to be insane
Starting point is 00:27:19 and was committed. Within months, every jurisdiction that wanted to charge him hit the same wall. I got a hold of a psychological evaluation. The consensus, a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. In Nash's case,
Starting point is 00:27:36 doctors at the state hospital in Whitfield said he said, He was in a deep psychotic state, paranoid, and convinced the world was out to get him. They described him as having wild delusions, part fear, part ego, believing he was both being persecuted and somehow important enough to be a target. Remember how Nash had been under investigation in Tennessee for unethical law practice? It turns out, Nash believed Hillman Robin Sr. and Esther Bouye were spies for the Memphis Bar Association.
Starting point is 00:28:10 And the cab driver, C.C. Surat, Nash was convinced was a hired gunman attempting to kill him and that he had shot him in self-defense. All of that was enough for a judge to find Nash incompetent to defend himself. And Glenn Nash was sent to the Memphis State Hospital at Whitfield. All the while, Margot had to go to trial. Glenn Nash would never face a jury for any of the killings. Margo faced more than one. She was tried twice in Mississippi for the murder of the cab driver, Mr. Surrett. There she was facing one count of accessory after the fact. So they didn't think Margot shot anyone, but helped Nash get away.
Starting point is 00:28:54 The trials took place in Hernando, one in 1967, the other in 68, in the same small Mississippi town where she'd been locked up. She told the jury that Nash was the gunman, that she feared he'd kill her too. that she hadn't pulled the trigger in any of the murders. And there was a mistrial both times. Mississippi decided not to try her again. Then there was Florida. Glenn Nash couldn't be tried if he was found to be insane.
Starting point is 00:29:24 They decided not to just pursue the case against her. Investigators couldn't prove Margot had been inside when the clerk was shot, so she was left off the charge sheet. For Nash, the verdict was madness. For Margo, it was limbo. And after nearly two years sitting in the DeSoto County Jail, Margot was then extradited to Memphis just across the state line and put to trial. Somebody had to go down for these senseless murders,
Starting point is 00:29:57 and it wasn't going to be the lawyer who'd been declared legally insane. Instead, the young woman, what are the odds that she had simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time? Three times. And it was a death penalty case. All eyes were on Margot Freshwater. Two years after the killing at D. Square Liquor, on February 4th, 1969, 21-year-old Margo Freshwater was brought to trial at the criminal court for Shelby County in Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:30:33 She faced a single count of first-degree murder in the death of Hillman-Robbins, Sr. The 60-year-old clerk found bound and shot in the back room of the shop, and another charge for murder and perpetration of robbery. I'm not saying this was the trial of the century or anything, But there was some hype. A young woman accused of an execution style killing alongside her mad lover. Even today, the press would eat that up.
Starting point is 00:30:58 She made an attractive defendant. She got her hair fixed and her makeup on and nice clothes and stuff like that. She was pretty. And so that drew a lot of attention to her from the very first. Margot Freshwater was very much portrayed as this femme fatale,
Starting point is 00:31:16 young, pretty, blonde woman who used her sex and her sexuality to manipulate men and manipulate situations. That was the undercurrent of so much of how she was portrayed and how the case was portrayed. Bonnie and Clyde except Clyde was, you know, schizophrenic and crazy, and Bonnie was the one really running the show. The press leaned into that narrative. They thought she was in charge. She called the shots. Before the jury was even seated, Margot was called the blonde Bonnie.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Twelve men would decide her fate. Not a single woman made the jury. Margot sat at the defense table beside Jay Frank Hall, a seasoned Memphis defense attorney. Across from them, prosecutor Terry Lafferty, a young, hungry and charismatic attorney eager to make his career. Hall built Margot's defense on one idea, duress, that she hadn't chosen this life on the run, that Nash, twice her age and legally insane, had forced her into it.
Starting point is 00:32:29 But the law in Tennessee wasn't so forgiving. It didn't matter who pulled the trigger. If you were in on it, you were in on it all the way. Whether she shot him or not is not going to be the deciding factor. The deciding factor is if she was an accessory, before the fact, even if Glenn Nash did the killing, she was an active participant. What Judge Campbell is getting at here
Starting point is 00:32:53 is that presence at each crime made her an accomplice under Tennessee law. By Nash's side, she assumed equal responsibility. In the eyes of the court, that put her exactly where Nash stood. Fully culpable. Even if you don't actually do the killing, if you're the lookout, if you're the getaway driver, If you're holding other people hostage while somebody else does a killing, you're guilty of the killing. And there was another sticking point.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Two guns were used in the murder of Hillman-Robbins Sr. Nash is 38 and a 22, the lady gun. The state argued that she used the 22 to shoot the victim and Glenn Nash used the 38. To the state, Margot was more than a passenger. She had many opportunities to escape and she didn't. They basically acted like they were husband and wife for a long time. I've thought about this, too. This crime spree spanned two weeks across state lines, motel lobbies, gas stations, and crowded highways.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Plenty of moments where somebody desperate to get away could have run or asked for help. As the testimony unfolded, jurors watched the young woman at the defense table. She really struck a lot of people as something out of the ordinary. And she didn't come across as someone who is just this weak, vulnerable, manipulated person. Her case rested entirely on convincing the jury that her account of that night was true. And she testified that Nash forced her into the store, that Nash made her wait on the customer, that Nash held Hillman-Robbins Sr. in the back room, told her that if she said anything or try to escape or do anything at all, he was going to kill Mr. Robbins and kill her too, and that he forced her out the back door.
Starting point is 00:34:42 she heard the pops and then he is right on her with the gun and forces her to drive away. And from that moment on, she claimed she lived in fear, riding shotgun across the South, always under threat. And she was cross-examined vigorously by the prosecutor at trial by Terry Lafferty. And one of the precise questions that he was hammering her with was, you don't have anyone else who can say that's what happened. You only have your word for that. Terry Lafferty passed away in 2021, but his voice lives on tape.
Starting point is 00:35:21 My hopes weren't high that any of it was salvageable. The tapes had been sitting in a dusty Memphis court archive for over half a century now. But astonishingly enough, when I hit play, the courtroom came to life. They tied Mr. Hillman's hands behind his back that made him way down on the floor. A gentleman of the jury also,
Starting point is 00:35:43 in the proof of this record shows, that this young girl went out and waited on a customer. And she made no attempt whatsoever to tell that customer that Mr. Nash was in the back and he had Mr. Robbins on the floor with a gun out there and was threatened to kill her. Or even that a hold-up was in process. And she wants you to believe, Jill, Judge, that she's in fear of her life at that time. The defense rested without calling another witness. Outside, reporters filed their copy before the press is closed.
Starting point is 00:36:17 the words already taking shape in tomorrow's paper. A frightened teenager or a willing partner? February 7, 1969. The errandside Judge Arthur Fackwin's courtroom was electric. The jury had spent just three days listening to testimony, pouring over photos of the Square D liquor store, and hearing Margot Freshwater describe a night that had destroyed her life. And the state wasn't just asking for conviction.
Starting point is 00:36:47 They were out for blood. Right, gentlemen of the jury, have you reached a verdict in the case of state of Tennessee versus Margot Freshwater? We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree as charged in the first count. Judge Fackwin then delivered her fate. Margot Freshwater, please stand. She'll be delivered to the ward of the state penitentiary in Nashville. They'll be confined for a period of 99 years. Margo sobbed as the deputies led her away.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Outside, the verdict echoed through Memphis. There's a very attractive young girl having to do 99 years, and the shooter, they put him in a private mental institution. Just the facts of this were extraordinary. And for Margo Freshwater, unacceptable. She had to do something to change the hand she'd been dealt. And soon, she would. she'd escape.
Starting point is 00:37:49 What came next was legend. A manhunt that spans states, decades, and generations of law enforcement who all thought they knew who Margot Freshwater really was. And a revelation that proved no one really knew who they were chasing. For decades, everything known about Margot Freshwater came from prosecutors, defense attorneys, police reports, and the news. Over time, she became the kind of criminal that people, talk about, the girl who climbed a fence and became infamous, more rumor than person.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Other people defined her story, her motives, her fear, her guilt. If this was a woman who vanished for half a lifetime, I needed to understand how. I needed to hear from Margot herself. So I went looking for her. My name's Tanya. I was formerly Margo Freshwater. No one has really confronted me. And if they did, I would just say, well, you need to hear what the real story is before you are so quick to judgment. And leave it at that. Unlock all episodes of the crimes of Margo Freshwater ad free right now by subscribing to the binge podcast channel. Not only will you immediately unlock all episodes of this show, but you'll get binge access to an entire network of other great true crime and investigative podcasts.
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