Witnessed: Devil in the Ditch - The Poet | 5. Breaking Point

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Finally, the police figure out who The Poet is. But now they have to prove it. As this case turns from terrifying to baffling, Wichita police need to get to the bottom of the question: Why Ruth? Want the full story? Binge every episode of The Poet ad-free now by subscribing to The Binge+. You’ll unlock over 60 true crime series instantly, get early access to drops on the first of every month, and hear exclusive bonus episodes. Search for the channel on Apple Podcasts or head to GetTheBinge.com. For behind-the-scenes details, join our free newsletter at Patreon.com/TheBinge. The Poet is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and New Metric Media. Follow @sonypodcasts and discover more at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices at podcastchoices.com/adchoices. The Binge — feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This episode deals with mentions of self-harm and suicide. Occam's Razor. It's the problem-solving principle that if you cut away all the complicated explanations for something, you'll be left with one simple answer. And that's usually the truth. Wichita's police chief, Richard LeMunion, had taken all 14 casebinders home

for the long weekend, poured through the evidence, read the reports. He looked over every suspect, and one by one, he ruled them out, until there was only one possibility left. Maybe it was the anger he felt from the poet threatening his wife, or maybe it was because he had intentionally held himself at an arm's length from the case that he could see more clearly. But there it was, the answer that had been evasive. waiting his police force for three long years.

He had arrived at the simplest solution, and he was pretty sure he was right. Well, he comes back Monday morning, and he schedules a meeting for 16 officers. That's Gene Stone, the journalist and author who later wrote a book on Ruth's case. The 16 officers all gather in the basement of the courthouse. LeMunion walks his staff through his evidence.

Clue number one, the abduction. After Roots kidnapping, police went to investigate the area by the river where she escaped her captors. She said they'd taken her sweater and shoes and followed her when she ran. The police found her sweater and her shoes there, but only one set of footprints. Clue number two, the house. It seemed impossible that. that the police had spent that much time surveilling the house and gotten nothing. Ruth lived on a dead end, and yet nobody ever saw anybody going near their house.

Jean Stone again. And then eventually they put a recording camera in the backyard, and when they did, the poet never appeared in the backyard again. Only the Finleys and the police knew about the camera's existence. Clue number three, the classifieds. Ed had been putting classified ads in the paper to try to lure the poet out, and there are always responses to it. But when the Finleys went on vacation,

there were no responses. For La Munion, the footprints, the camera, the classifieds, it all adds up to one conclusion. And he sits down, he just says right out there, we know who the poet is. The poet is. is a Finley. It's Ed or Ruth? Or it's both of them. From Sony Music Entertainment and New metric media, I'm Rachel Brown. And this is The Poet. Episode 5, Breaking Point.

Lemunion's theory drops on his officers like a bomb. There are so many unanswered questions. Could this couple have been pulling the wool over everyone's eyes for three years, even with officers stationed inside their house? Their fury is palpable. I was really, really angry. All the time that I had spent, all the time that the other detectives had spent, and it just had been for nothing.

Richard Vindrault had spent years of his life on this case, working overtime, dissecting poems, even going undercover to try to find this monster. I felt like I was just manipulated. I thought that, you know, it was a game that was being played. Mike McKenna, too, was furious. So much manpower, so much time, so much energy. of everybody.

You work on these cases, you put your heart and soul into them, trying to help these people, just to be hoodwinked. He'd been raising his concerns, but no one had listened to him. This was vindication, but it wasn't sweet. They'd wasted so much time.

People don't always think about, while all this police manpower is expended, were there cases that did, not get solved because those detectives were busy. All this, while the Wichita PD had been trying to solve real homicides, real crimes, not to mention catch BTK. But for the man who was first in charge of this case, the idea that Ruth or Ed were just playing with the cops inflicted a different kind of pain.

Drowadsky is crushed and thinking that LeMondion is crazy. Lieutenant Bernie Drowatsky and his wife were friends with the Finleys. They had dinners together, went to the same church. To him, there's just no way this kind, normal couple had spent the last three years setting up a cat and mouse game with the cops. For what? Just to mess with him? But Gene Stone says, Drowatsky sees a silver lining here. LeMunion is committing even more resources to this case.

which means they're going to get to the bottom of it once and for all. Jawansky now believed that this was a good thing because they felt that this meant that the extra work meant that they would actually catch the poet and prove that Ruth wasn't a poet and they would actually catch the real person. Lemunion later tells Cake TV that he ordered Ruth and Ed be put under round-the-clock surveillance,

this time without their knowledge. And so at the conclusion of the meeting, I announced that I would take over personal control of the case. And that effective immediately, there would be a 24-hour surveillance on Ruth and Ed. They've embarrassed his department, made them look like fools. He is done playing nice. Before they roll out, LeMunion swears them to secrecy, threatening. If one word of this leaks to the media, they're all fired. Surveillance begins.

Officers are pulled in from vice and narcotics to cover shifts. There's a ground crew stationed in cars in the Finley's cul-de-sac. There's an aerial surveillance team, a police helicopter is on standby, ready to tail them from overhead. The Wichita police threw everything at the case, desperate to prove the Finleys were behind the poet. They set up a command center, which was a... a van parked at the Eastgate Shopping Center, which is not very far from where Ruth lives.

And from then on, every time Ruth leaves the house, she's being monitored by at least one police car and one police helicopter. One morning, the Finleys get into their Oldsmobile and pull out of their driveway. The ground surveillance team has eyes on them and follows them at a distance out of their sleepy neighborhood. aerial surveillance joins in from overhead. They track them as they head towards the East Gate shopping mall. But somehow, in just a few blocks, ground surveillance loses the Oldsmobile. Maybe Ruth went to work? The cops call her office.

She's taken the day off. Suddenly, they're concerned. Did this middle-aged couple just shake off their police tail and make a break for it? One of the detectives says, They're getting away. They're getting away. And this frantic chase. And then they realized, oh, no, they just went away for a day or so.

They were not trying to escape. They were just having a day for themselves. The Finleys were just traveling to Topeka on a regular work trip for Ed. Ruth had tagged along to keep him company. To the ground crew, it seems like the day has been a total letdown. But a few hours later, someone on aerial surveillance in the helicopter happens to mention he'd never lost sight of the Finley's that morning. Not only that, but he saw their Oldsmobile pull up to a mailbox by the Eastgate Mall and drop off some letters.

This is a revelation. When Mike Hill hears this, he immediately bolts. He calls the postal inspector, who meets him at the mail drop. This could be it. They open the mailbox. Inside, they're inside, they're going to be. Inside, they find five letters bunched together at the top, a personal letter and two bills from the Finleys, and two other envelopes, one addressed to Cake TV,

and one to Ruth Smock Finley, both in the poet's familiar handwriting. This is the smoking gun they've been waiting for. But because they didn't have eyes on the mailbox for a few hours, they couldn't rule out the possibility that someone else had posted the two letters from the poet. They needed iron-clad evidence. They had to keep going.

Weeks in, the officers tailing the Finleys pick up on a new energy. The couple seems on edge, maybe even suspicious. One officer notes the Finleys are often driving around town really slowly, as though they were on the lookout for someone following them. A few others say they see the Finley's clearly, checking their surroundings for surveillance. They even note a car visiting the Finley's late one night, and when they check the ownership, it belongs to an attorney. Are the Finley's onto them? Ruth seemed to have picked up on some kind of shift, because in the middle of the surveillance,

she reaches out to Fred Mann. Ruth called me out of the blue and said, what's going on? Do you know what's going on with the case? And I was honest about it. I said, no, I don't know. She said, are they still interested? because Mike, Mike Hill, he's been really distant to me. He was cold and he doesn't seem too interested anymore. I could honestly tell her, no, I think they're so interested. That was not a lie. And me telling her, no, I didn't know what was going on, that was not a lie either, technically.

During this time, Ruth's mental health was deteriorating. Her headaches and stomach aches were nonstop. And now, she was cut out of her own investigation even further and not getting any answers from the police. Ruth is feeling distraught. So between the attention she doesn't want, the stabbing, the fact that there might be somebody out there getting her, she's extremely unhappy.

And she has no recourse at all. And so she's terrified. She starts making a plan to put an end to her suffering once and for all. First, she collects small bills in her purse. Ed is with her all the time, so there isn't a moment in the day where she can run to the bank to make a larger withdrawal.

Dollar by dollar, she is saving up. Her plan is to take a bus to Oklahoma City. There, she would find a bridge and end her life. Then, two weeks into the surveillance, Mike Hill gets a call. An officer tells him that Ruth's boss at the phone company has found some evidence they need to see. Hill heads down to the office.

Well, the crash fell there, and he looked through it. Lo and behold, there's a carbon paper that had a poet layer on it. Along with the carbon paper with the poet's handwriting, they also found a book of prose and poetry and a snatch of red bandana tied in a knot. Hill collects the evidence and adds it to the growing pile. That same afternoon, Hill has a meeting to update some of the surveillance team. As they're wrapping up their chat, officers who had been keeping watch run in and tell them, the Finleys are on the move, and they're right around the corner.

Hill rushes out to his car and pulls out of the lot and immediately sees the Finley's Oldsmobile stopped across the street. For a moment, he panics. They're going to see him. and know something's up. But they're not looking at him. They're at a mailbox. Ed is driving.

He stops at the shopping center. Ruth leans in and mails some letters. Couldn't be a more normal day except for the fact that the moment they drive off, the police swoop in. This is exactly the moment Mike Hill has been waiting for for weeks. Years, really. He and his officers whip out their can. and take photos as Ruth deposits a bunch of letters into the mail slot.

As soon as the Finley's drive off, Mike Hill and his men pull up to the mailbox and park. We can't touch the mailbox. Only people could do that are the postal inspectors. As they wait for the postal inspector, they park their ghost car in front of the mailbox and lift the hood, pretending they're having engine trouble. They have to make sure no other letters come in and spoil their evidence. They need Ruth's letters to be at the top. While they wait, the Finley's car passes again, returning from the mall.

The cops watch the Finley slow down and take a long, hard look at their car, parked beside the post box. Finally, the postal inspector arrives. When they got there, they opened up the mailbox. Well, they all they followed, there's a toilet letter. Right on top. And that's really that moment, just that one moment,

cracked the case for good. Now they had the proof. And so at this point, they knew. If you want a deeper look behind cut, color, kill, now is the time. Join our free newsletter at patreon.com slash the binge, and you will get exclusive story details.

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when confronted with the evidence. Cops gave journalist Fred Mann unprecedented access to the end of the years-long saga. So they said, okay, here's a deal. We're going to bring Ed in, we're going to be Ruth in, and we'll let you come in, and we'll pipe the sound into an office, and you can sit there, and you can record the interviews.

So wow, this was it. Ed was called down to the station to deliver the newest letter. Ed arrives, expecting to simply drop off the letter and maybe check in on leads. But instead, he's escorted into a room where Captain Hill is already stationed. And Hill starts asking him questions, going back long before the poet case started up. Tell me about life as a child. I mean, that's how far back they went. What were you like as a kid?

Where did you live? You know, where did you meet Ruth? And Ed was excited. Ed was happy. He said, we're getting into it now. And as a mind, he's thinking, all right, we're going someplace with this. Finally, Hill was engaging with him. Ed had been kept out of the loop for months.

But then Hill's tone changes. He starts walking Ed through the events of the poet case and asking different questions from the ones he'd ever asked. before. Where were you when she was abducted? And the same with the stabbing. Then they would get into these little acts of vandalism around the house. Who found the jar of pee on the front porch? Who found the Mollosov cocktail? Where were you? Ed is bewildered, but stays stoic. It started to turn a little bit. And they got to a point where Ed was not tracking what they were trying to get to.

Then Mike Hill gets to the point. He tells Ed the poet could have put those things on their porch, or Ed could have, or Ruth could have. Ed shuts that down. He didn't have anything to do with this. And he's adamant. Neither did Ruth. Hill pulls out the surveillance photos and watches Ed intently as he slides them across the table toward him.

they show him photos of Ruth mailing the letters, and he is absolutely shocked. Ed is genuinely baffled, distraught. All they could say was I just couldn't believe it, I tried to think about it, I don't understand it. But here's the proof, and if they say Ruth is a poet, I have to believe them. For Hill, it seems like Ed is truly blindsided by this, news. But he has a way of making sure that Ed is being honest, and it's time to use it, the polygraph.

So then they ask him if he'd take a lie detector test to prove his innocence. He's thinking, I'm really nervous, I don't know what's going on, and I've heard that lie detector tests aren't always right. What if it says I do know about Ruth? They aren't handy things, but if I say I won't take one, then they'll think I'm guilty. So he agrees to take the test. They head to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, where Ed is hooked up to the polygraph. And he passes it with flying colors. Might be so many flying colors that they're absolutely convinced that Ed had nothing to do with it. It really was just Ruth.

As they get ready to go, Ed says, These should have been the best days of our lives. The police take Ed. home, along with a search warrant for the Finley's home and trash. We got a little search warrant for the house, and the fruits of the crime were found. Part of a red bandana, a chief's notebook, some stamps from the same book of stamps that had been used on prior letters, but it was overwhelming that she indeed was doing this to herself. After searching the house, the police drive Ed back to the station.

On the way, they ask Ed if he wants a hamburger. Something in this sets him off. No one has offered care or concern all day as his life unraveled, but now they're asking if he wants a burger? As if he could eat while his wife is in this situation. Instead, Ed chain smokes a pack of cigarettes, one after another, and waits. At this point, Word had made its way around the department.

The poet never existed. Ruth had been behind it this whole time. And they'd all fallen for her lies for years. Ruth had totally duped them. Lieutenant Bernie Drowatsky was devastated. Drowatsky, he now realized, yes, it was true, and he had no idea what to do, what to think. How could this have happened?

What is going on? Has the world turned upside down? This is not the way things are supposed to be. Drowatsky wants to be the one to bring Ruth to the station. Maybe he wants to look her in the eyes and see what he missed. He goes to Southwestern Bell and waits for her in the lobby. When she comes down, she's surprised to see him instead of Ed. Drowatsky asks her to accompany him to the station, saying they're going to take a look

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Subscribers to The Binge can listen to all episodes, All at once, ad-free. Drowatsky has Ruth in his car. They're going down to the station one final time. After three tough years, after cultivating close relationships with their victim, after finding out they'd been duped, finally, the Wichita PD had the poet.

She was on her way, and they were going to get their answers. What LeMunion told me, the key to the case was that he refused to meet Ruth. He compared her to some Greek mythological creature that if you looked at her, you believed her. He said that if he had met her,

he might not have been able to solve the case and that the detectives like Jawanski, who he admired, he wasn't saying that they were bad detectives by any means, but that Ruth, again, you have to remember, this is a woman who was baking cookies for these detectives, who was sitting with them, discussing their issues and their problems and their families and having tea and making them cake.

They had developed what was in any other situation would have been close friendships. Mike Hill was the one officer who had followed in Lumunian's footsteps. Mike Hill has decided that he's going to be running this interrogation because he's the one who feels he is the most distance from Ruth. He never fell under her spell as LeMunion felt the others had. Police officers we interviewed told us they hadn't fallen under Ruth's spell and had harbored suspicions of Ruth or Ed. Some had even raised these questions with leaders only to be shut down.

But there were those who had gotten close to the Finley's, not Mike Hill. Ruth didn't like me to begin with because I being sand-offish. She'd bake cookies and take and stuff because we had detecties. stick down inside their house protecting her from the poet, and I had nothing. He had to be the one to interview Ruth. Now, armed with the case file filled with inconsistencies and his photographic proof,

Hill is ready to take Ruth down. Fred Mann is listening in from another room at the police station. Now the mystery was, when she was finally confronted with evidence, Would she deny it? Would she collapse? Would she give up right away? Would you fight it? Just like he had with Ed's interrogation, Mike Hill starts at the beginning. They started from Ground Zero birth, early childhood, the attacking force got, the kidnapping, and stabbing. As they questioned her about these poet events. Hill sort of gradually turned to questioning, torqued the questioning a little bit more to

you could have done this, right? Sort of a thing. But you could have done that, right? Hill drills down on some of the moments that have been running through his mind since La Munion's meeting. The Christmas Eve of 1979, Hill says only he and the Finley's knew an officer

was supposed to arrive at 11 that night. The Finley's phone line gets cut at 10 p.m. Once the hidden camera was installed facing the phone lines, they were never tampered with again, Only the Finleys and the cops knew about that. There were details of the investigation they'd mentioned to the Finley's, details that would later end up in poet letters.

Then there was more of Greshes. Who found the urine on the porch? Did you put that out there? You got kind of a little edge. No, Mike. She was appalled. Human fecese. Did you put that out there?

No. And finally said, Ruth, she said, You write any of those poll letters? She said, no. Did you mail any of those letters? No. Then, Hill goes in for the kill. He actually says to her, what if I called you a liar?

And she's really taken back. But then after she's been saying, I didn't do this. I don't know about this. This doesn't make any sense. He pushes his evidence across the table. He shows her the photos of her mailing all of these poems. He shows her the evidence that they've collected. She has no idea what to do.

She is trying to figure out, am I the poet, but I don't know what's going on? I don't understand. There once was a female who got destitute. Her mind and brain wished she could be rebutte. And Ruth later said, when she looked at that photo, it was like blocks tumbling out of her head.

The word in the news. Everything tumbles out. out of her head. Of my flagrant ways to bruise. One more meeting, and this will conclude. And she just put her head down on the table, in her arms, and just started sobbing. But it was a quiet sobbing. It was not loud.

I could see, you know, the tears kind of run out over wrists. Hill watches her. Are those crocodile tears? Hill asks her, do you want to tell me about it? Do you deny it? Ruth says simply, no. Then, Hill gets into the specifics. He asks if Ed was involved.

She tells him, absolutely not. He asks if she really got the first phone call from a man trying to blackmail her. She says no. He asks her where she got the Fort Scott newspaper clipping that was mailed to her at work. She already had it. Now, when you were walking down the street and the sky bumps into you, that never happened. Yes, it did. It did, she insisted.

Hill asks who the man in the sketch was, the one she described to the police psychologist Dr. Schrague. She tells him it looks like the guy who stopped her on the street. The kidnapping, he asks, how did you get up there? She tells him, she took the bus. He asks if she cut the phone lines. She nods. How did she do it with her whole family in the house? She doesn't remember.

How could she not remember? How did the knife wrapped in the red bandana get into her lobby's phone booth? Did she just go down and wrap it up and put it there? She nods. For some of the events, she seems foggy on the details. Her answers are unsatisfyingly short. The urine on the front porch. How did that happen?

It was poured in a bottle. That is your own urine, is that right? Yes. The back porch, the Molotov cocktail, how did you do that? I took it out of the car, with a hose. You siphoned it out of the car. Okay. You put the eggs on the back door.

When did you do that? Where was Ed at? In the shower. Human shit on the front porch. Is that yours? That's mine. How did the one letter get an Oklahoma City postmark on it. She says she mailed it down there, just sent it to the post office and asked

them to mail it. Then, Hill asks the big question. How could you stab yourself? She's silent. Hill and Ruth sit there for a long moment. I mean, she's admitted she's done it, but she doesn't really remember. She's no recollection of the stabbing incident whatsoever. He asks, where did you get that knife at. Home. Did you mean to hurt yourself as bad as you did? I don't know. This is not the reaction he expected from a scammer. Ruth looks lost, confused. And she's just sitting there going, I'm a bad person, I'm a crazy person, I'm a bad person. Ruth is crumbling in front of his eyes. Hill softens his approach. He has his confession. Now, he needs to figure out what is going on here.

Mike Hill finally could put his hands out to her and say, grab her by the elbow and say, Ruth, it's okay. We're not mad. We just want to know why to do this. She doesn't respond. He asks, Are you glad it's over? Yes.

How do you feel, Ruth? I wish I was dead. Something much bigger is going on here than Hill expected. He expected denial, anger, pushback, but Ruth is despondent. Suddenly, this doesn't feel like a criminal caught in the act. Ruth looks like a woman on the brink.

And Hill starts being much nicer and says, you're not crazy, you're ill. There's something wrong here. You're not a bad person. Hill asks, were you wanting to get caught? She nods. What was going on?

Could Ruth not stop the poet? Was this some sort of compulsion? The room in there where we're listening was sort of fraught with this what's going to happen. One, Ruth was going to go to jail or two, they were going to take her and get her locked up at a mental ward of a hospital.

There was no other alternative. She was not going home. He signs her involuntarily into a nearby mental health hospital. Whatever was going on with Ruth was a mystery for someone else to solve. Hill and his team just needed to take this evidence back and decide what they were going to do with Ruth. And if this was a criminal matter. So they have Ed in the waiting room next door and the Mungian is watching him for any signs, anything that might show guilt or anything.

and Le Mignon tells me later that it is absolutely expressionless. The only thing that Le Monsian thinks he can see on Ed's face is depression. Ruth falters before exiting the interview room. She says to Hill, I can never face Ed again. Yeah, you can. You got to. He is the nicest person I have ever known. So then they let Ruth out of the interview and she rushes. into Ed's arms, and he says, we'll get through this.

I love you. Ruth and Ed go to the hospital together, where Ruth is put on suicide watch. There, a new kind of detective takes on Ruth's case. Next time on the finale of the poet. It is detective work in this sense, finding out something that the patient doesn't even know and help them know it. Psychologist Andrew Pickens' question isn't whodunit. It's why.

Why would this woman in this perfectly normal life have such extraordinary terror within her that it would cause such a thing to develop? He sees the terror, but all he can be thinking about is what is causing this. Ruth's mystery was far from over. What could cause a person's mind to fracture and torture itself? And this story was about to reach far beyond Wichita, making it all the way to the Oprah Winfrey Show. And by the end of this hour, perhaps all of us will better understand

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