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a young man. A young man at the center of this wild case. In October of 2024, I met Bob Ceeley, the attorney for Judge Craig Schwal, to ask him about the events that had transpired since the discovery of the millions in Diane's estate that Tex now stood to inherit. Craig Schwal was in the room that day too. This was all about his son. So when the topic of Austin came up, Craig instantly perked up.

He's very, very torn because he loved them both and so he's very torn. You know he loved Nyan, he loved Tex, he loved Billy and you know he's kind of kid that has never had a bad day in his life. Never had a bad day. Just smiles with those teeth, those blue eyes, Got a girlfriend and wants to be a frat boy at Georgia. That's it. I'll show you a picture of Austin. What did he say when he found out that I hated him? Oh, he sobbed and said it was the worst day of my life.

I mean, it was hell waiting on the school bus to come home and tell him. He was 10. You and Ann were both standing there at the school bus stop and he said what's wrong as soon as he saw you. Isn't that right? He said what's wrong. This is a picture of Austin when he was a little child.

Craig, what was it he called Diane? Mommy died. Mommy died. And he called Tex Dede and he called Diane? Mommy Di. Mommy Di. And he called Tex Deedee and he called Billy Corey Big D. Now this is Austin. He's over six feet tall. I swear that they will probably get married. You think? Oh.

And she said she wanted to go to Auburn and then they went to a football game at Georgia and now they both want to go to Georgia. So, I told him he doesn't need to be going around telling people his dad's political influence is going to get him in Georgia. That's not the way to do that. From Sony Music Entertainment and Waveland Road, you're listening to Deadly Fortune. So, you're listening to Deadly Fortune. This is episode 8, Mommy Die. Everybody that I've spoken to to develop the evidence for the legal proceeding that we're involved in on Austin's behalf echo the same thing. If we had five minutes with her and having to interview her, she would say, Austin is

who I want to see have everything that I left behind. Judge Craig Schwal and the Schwal family are making the legal argument that the money from Diane McIver's estate should go to them and not Tex and not to any of Diane's blood relatives. Well, first of all, this is a unique case. It's never, to our knowledge, never occurred in Georgia, maybe not even the nation, where you had a spouse who died by bullet and you've got a number of heirs-at-law, but you also have Austin, who was her darling child, a godchild. Thank goodness that Georgia has what's called equitable remedies so that a judge or jury

can take into account in circumstances like this where there's no doubt that a gun in the hand of Tex MacGyver pulled the trigger and resulted in her death. So if you had the chance to ask Diane in heaven, would you want your husband who shot you to benefit from your death? She would most certainly say absolutely not. She would want it all to go to Austin who has her heart and who has his whole life ahead of him. Now that she's gone, she would want him to have all of her treasures. I asked Bob Cheely about the blood relatives, a collection of over 20 cousins, and why they

wouldn't have standing in their claim to Diane's inheritance. Well, the only standing is that, which is created by law. That's for the overwhelming number of cases where somebody dies. You know that they had a will, but you can't find the will. I've asked Billy Corey and everybody that worked here at Corey Enterprises, which is where we are today. If Diane ever mentioned any of these people's names that are listed on the proceedings filed by Mary Margaret Oliver as administrator, and they say no, she never mentioned any of them. She never, to their knowledge, never went to see them.

They never visited her. They didn't attend the trial. Therefore, that's where the equitable remedy comes in. The court and the jury, if there is a jury, should decide where the money goes based on what would Diane want if she was here. What would she say? If the judge rules that the cousins should receive the money and not Austin? What's next for the Schwalls? And forgive me, this is very personal. This is why I didn't want Billy in here. But does Craig believe it was an unintentional act?

We'll take it. I guess the best way for me to answer that is we take the facts as we found them to be in the transcript of the murder trial. And we take the facts as the Supreme Court of Georgia found them to be justifying a new trial. And the Schwalls are asking not just for the original $1.4 million insurance settlement money, they're asking for another $3 million from Diane's estate. And in their eyes, they say that no amount of that money should go to tax.

We're going to contest it. There's absolutely no reason that anyone who knew Diane would...there's not going to be anybody, I dare say, that will take the stand under oath and say that Diane, under these circumstances, would have wanted tax to have anything because he was responsible for her premature and untimely death. And she was deprived of watching Austin Schwalb grow up and become a young man. He's now a senior in high school. He's going to be going off to college next year. And she set up a college fund for him, you know, when he was a baby.

And she was investing in him, she was investing in his future, and she loved him as if he was her own child. I pressed J. Tom Morgan about how this could have been orchestrated between all parties back in the courtroom that day when Texas plea deal agreement was finalized. All of a sudden we have the prosecutor saying, okay, you can plea guilty and we'll take the Slayer statute out of this. But as long as you give 1.5 million to Judge Schwal's son. And also the prosecutor who has, you know, the DA's office has cases in front of Judge Schwal.

Again, everybody knows everybody in this case. I have tremendous respect for Judge Schwal, have tremendous respect for Judge McVernie and Mary Margaret Oliver, but at the same time, because everybody knows everybody, somebody out from the outshod should have been brought in. So, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Do you think there's any chance at all that Judge Craig Sewell didn't have a conversation with Tex MacGyver about how this could all play out? Well, Tex MacGyver would have to agree to sign over $1.5 million from the wrongful death

settlement to Craig Schwal. How do you not have that? If somebody's going to give you $1.5 million, I think they're going to give me a heads up. I sure hope so. Because you've got to go along with it. Yeah, you're right. Since Austin Schwal had no standing to inherit Diane's estate or wrongful death settlement, some wonder if there was a secret deal between Craig Schwal and Tex MacGyver to assign the

settlement to the Schwals in trade for Craig Schwal to secretly share the proceeds with Tex. The Schwal's attorney doesn't just say no, but hell no. So if I may, did, to your knowledge, did Judge Schwalz and Tex ever discuss this insurance settlement and the remaining money in the estate? To my knowledge, they did not. At least he hasn't indicated to me as much. This case is so unusual because of the close, center-twined friendships that existed before Diane's death tore everything apart.

I know that Craig, the judge, and Tex were very close. I was close with Tex. This has to be difficult for the judge. It is. It is. It's a surreal experience for him to have to realize that somebody he had a friendship with is now behind bars for shooting his wife. And it's just hard for him to wrap his head around, you know, where does he go from here? He doesn't have any control over what Tex did, and he doesn't have any control about the sentence that Tex received. But he does have some say-so because he was named by Mayor Margaret Oliver as a co-defendant along with approximately

30 other people to get to the truth of what Dan's desires were. And that's where we go from here. It's my understanding there's roughly $3 million in the estate and the insurance settlement is $1.4 million after attorney's fees and so forth. Is that essentially the understanding? That's my understanding from speaking to Mary Margaret Oliver that there's 3 million plus a million for.

And it's your client's position that Diane would want all of the estate to go to Austin and Craig Junior? No doubt about it. I had just recently, Craig and Ann, Austin's mom, calls to be delivered to my office, just stacks of picture albums that Diane had put together from the time that Austin was born. These parties, birthday parties that she would throw for him and invite all of his friends to her farm over near Lake Sinclair and they called it the ranch. There is no doubt once you see these videos of those birthday parties and everything as

Austin grew that she adored him and she would, you didn't see any of these cousins, put it that way, at the birthday parties. They weren't invited. So I think she made it real clear. If anyone could speak from the grave through these things that she put together and left behind, it would be Diane McIver saying, I want Austin to have this. It's summer of 2024, and Taks is getting close to serving out his full term. Here's Don Samuel again, his defense attorney, in his original trial.

You know, again, without violating any privilege, I'd say that he has aged a lot more than the six years since I first met him. I first met him, you know, December of 2017, January 18. He's probably, you know, mentally aged 10 years, not 6 years during that period. And then I went to visit him a couple, I don't know, three weeks ago. And he's having a rough time, even now. I mean, we don't know when he's going to be paroled. we're kind of hoping soon. But he's having trouble walking, he's had a great deal of difficulty talking. So he's not doing great.

You think he's paid gravely for accidentally shooting his wife? Oh, for sure, for sure. Emotionally, for having lost his wife, having been the cause of the loss of his wife, and sitting in prison for six years. So more, really, if you include the pretrial time. Yeah. After the Board of Pardons and Paroles indicated that they were going to grant parole, suddenly a couple of weeks ago they denied parole.

Yeah, well it's a little confusing. There's something called pickpoints, progress incentive, something where you get credit that is given to you on parole for taking classes, teaching other people. So he's getting those, which has the same effect as granting parole. They're moving the parole date up. It's actually going to be a release date. Because of all the pick points, we still hope he gets out within a matter of, at this point, a month or two. I hope. But we don't know for sure. But the Board of Paroles said he's going to have to serve his entire sentence to September of 2025. But that didn't include the pick points that he's been given.

So those are coming off the sentence. OK. That's reduced in the sentence. The Georgia Parole Board grants preliminary parole to Tex McGyver, intending to release him in March of 2024, with the caveat that those who oppose can write letters stating their reason. Billy Corey and Danny Joe Carter write to the Parole Board and reveal what they believe to have been a secret deal constituted among Tex McGyver and the attorneys that will give everyone involved exactly what they want, with the exception

of Diane and those who loved her. If there's anything that I can do, like keeping the light shining on Tex so that he doesn't get out on parole without anybody noticing what's happened. I would help not manufacture anything, but to make sure that he spends at least all the time that they did give him, which isn't that much. July 1st, 2024, the Parole Board rescinds its intent to release Tex MacGyver, determining, quote, release would not be compatible with the welfare of society, end quote. It works.

Billy Corey's behind-the-scenes manipulation of the Board of Pardons and Paroles via his and Danny Joe Carter's confidential letters that only we have obtained stop Tex's early parole at the last minute Danny Joe Carter's confidential letters that only we have obtained stop Texas early parole at the last minute and assures he'll remain in prison until September 1st 2025. I showed Don Samuel the letter Billy Corey sent to the parole board. Victims, families, I'm not going to quibble with them. Factually there's all kinds of... I can't count the number of erroneous facts are in that sentence, that paragraph.

The accusation that we hid this to get our fees, A, we didn't hide it, B, we didn't get fees through the settlement. That he's going to collect millions of dollars, that's going to be tied up in court, I don't know how long. It's tied up in court because the trustee, Mary Margaret Oliver, is filing what's known as a declaratory judgment action, and in fact, her heirs are more likely to receive the money. The DA, the current DA who's handling the case,

didn't hide anything from anybody. Everything about that paragraph is factually wrong. I like Billy Corey personally. He's a decent guy. I've known him for many years. You know, like I said, victims' families, victims' friends, I share their grief. I understand their grief. I empathize with them.

And very often they think the defense lawyer is evil, the judge is evil, the jury was corrupt, you know, because nothing makes sense to them. But what you read to me is I'm fine if that's what Billy wants to write. I bet he'd be a little more persuasive if he was accurate. But Tex will get out. How do you feel about Tex getting out of prison? I don't like it. I don't think he deserves to get out. You know, people say he's an old man. Well, Billy Corey's 92. He's still going to work every day, wheeling and dealing. And you know, I've got friends that I've got friends that are a hundred

and in their 90s so he could still have a very active life and the fact that he spent the last six and a half years incarcerated because he thinks that Billy manipulated things to cause him to get charged with murder and that I didn't lie and you know produce these depositions and and I know there's no telling what would go on in your mind over six and a half years. I've never been in prison don't want to ever go there, but I don't know where his mind goes with thinking about me, but I mean, he could be very resentful. I would be resentful, I think, if that had, if everything was turned around. And somebody said, well, Danny Joe, he'd be stupid to do anything to you now.

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It was late, past midnight, when they broke into the farmhouse. Never in a million years would you think that you'd see your parents' house taped off by that yellow tape. Oh. And they said, you're one that had been killed. They left behind a wall of blood and the key to a secret.

It was a very brutal crime scene, one of the worst I've ever seen. Murder in the Moonlight, a new podcast from Daitline. Listen now. It's December 9th, 2024, just a few weeks before this podcast is set to come out. We've created quite a stir over the last few months in our investigation. No more evidenced by today's events.

The camera turns on and we see and hear Tex McGyver. He's dressed in the standard prison uniform of white top, white pants. Inside a conference room in the Augusta State Medical Prison, Tex McGyver is set to give a deposition today surrounding the details of Diane's inheritance. As the various legal teams get set up, Tex talks football. Who's sure we're going to play in the playoffs? That's a day in the army about two weeks ago, didn't they? Tax is just about ready to turn 82, and it's been a sad few years living in prison.

I tell you, I don't know what happened. When I passed from the 70s into the 80s category for age, man, my friends started to die. Oh, God. And I've been in this unfortunate situation eight years and I'd say every other month somebody pretty close dies. We're just not designed to go much further than that, I guess. You're 82. I'll be 82 in two weeks. Two weeks.

Yeah. Though his term in prison will end in his release in September of 2025, Tech shares a surprising update. He says he's just days from being released on parole. Looks like my parole's going to be granted at long last. When do you expect that? Maybe this week. And I've got some residential arrangements in Marietta.

Lawyers from all sides are here. Bob Ceeley representing Craig Schwal, the lawyers for at least five of the cousins of Diane, Mary Margaret Oliver, and her attorney, and Tex's attorney, who he says he's never met before today. Today is a significant reversal of fortune for Tex. What once looked like a promising inheritance of millions for him once he gets out of prison is now a highly contested legal fight amongst a wide variety of parties, all with wildly differing interests.

Bob Ceeley, representing the Schwal family, kicks things off. I just want you to know that the purpose of the deposition is to understand what you know about Diane Smith MacIver's wishes for her estate. The proceeds from the sale of the ranch, one of the things I want to ask you about today. Chieley is looking to establish Austin's close relationship with both Diane and Tex. She helped take care of Austin, Diane did did from a very early age, correct? That's correct. And how often would you say she saw Austin in his ten years of life during the time that she was living?

Five, six days a week. If you had to put a racket on a scale of one to a hundred, how much would you say that Diane loved Austin? Objection, pose or speculation. You can answer. You can answer. A hundred plus. The MacGyvers would often throw extravagant parties out at their ranch for Austin and his friends. We expected people to come in jeans and boots and hats and stuff. We had activities for the children, but, you know, calf roping and cowboy stuff. So y'all had, you and Diane had horses there? Yes.

And do you have cows too? Yes, sir. What cows too or yes, sir one of the farm animals if any two donkeys two donkeys and Did Austin? Enjoy coming out to the to the ranch I think so later on the proceedings get a little chippy as Later on, the proceedings get a little chippy as Chealy and Tex's lawyer get into it. Even Tex seems to revel in the back and forth of this legal one-upsmanship.

You only met him today for the first time, so I appreciate you just reserving your speeches for the judge, not here. You want to make an objection in the form of the question, do so. I object to the form of the question, stop leading. Whether I met him today or here from now is irrelevant and your comments are not taken very nicely. Mr. Frankel, you're not the judge. I am not. So all you have to do is make an objection to the form of the question and it will be noted.

But you don't need to sit here and lecture me about how to do a deposition, sir. Thank you very much for your lecture. It was very informative. Are you paying this guy? Mr. MacGyver? Yeah, yes, sir. And I enjoy the conflict. So I'm in a solitary cell and it gets a little lonely sometimes.

If you recall, Diane had an original will that did not include naming Austin Schwal. He hadn't even been born yet at that time. She had intended to update it, but it never happened before her death. Here's Tex. She intended to update her will, which we know she did not do, but she intended to do that. And there she was going to provide for both the boys? To the Swalbrothers? Yes, yeah. Well, her share.

All right. And you were willing to do the same, right? Yeah, I was gonna take care of my son in a different way. Okay. I wanted her to be able to do what she wanted. I thought I'd go first. I was 11 years older than she was. And it just worked out that I lowered my objection.

She intended to update her will. I candidly thought she had done so. Okay. And that's my answer. Tax then makes it clear that Diane did not have designs on leaving her blood relatives any of her inheritance. Did Diane ever say she wanted to leave any of those people, anything in her estate? No, it was quite the contrary. She made quite a point about having no relatives.

She was almost like a waif. And she, again, never knew her father or she had serious conflict with her mother and her brother. And when both of them, the brother died first and the mother died a couple of years later. And I virtually insisted to go to the funeral. I thought that was a respectful thing to do. Our mother's funeral? Yes, the mother's funeral. And the brother was mentally retarded, all I knew from her. But she wouldn't go. And she used to almost laugh about it in

social situations that she just, it was just her. You know, and I'd come along and plucked her out of the herd. She didn't have any relatives at all. Candidly, I think she was afraid they would all come asking for money. Really? And she didn't want that kind of conflict. During the deposition, Tech said he was clearly in favor of the Schwalls receiving the millions from Diane's estate and not the Cousins.

But if no objections, Tex will once again get paid, this time over $300,000. Let me turn to probate in the Fulton County Court. You've entered into, I guess, preliminarily a pending court approval of partial distribution, certain assets under the estate of Dan McCover.? Yeah, a preliminary distribution. Distribution of a special bequest under her will to you of a life estate, is that correct? I think that's right. And it was some $337,000 roughly? Yes. 1942, Europe.

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front of 300 people and go home the next morning and feel good about himself. Well you got to understand this people, all you civilians out there, these people are evil garbage. The world is a better place without them. You have no idea what these people have done and will continue to fucking do, not unless their lives are snatched from them. So, did I feel bad? No, not one fucking bit. It was just a normal fucking kill, that's all. Because I really believe I did the world a favor. I don't know what else to fucking tell you,

and if you can't live with that, grow the fuck up. Welcome to Crook County, available now. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. So after all of this, there are three parties staking their claim to the millions from Diane's inheritance. There's a lot riding on the decision for each of the three, each feeling they deserve the money.

The Schwals, the Cousins, and Tex. While we now wait to find out the results of the disputes around Diane's fortune, one thing seems clear. That Tex is removing himself from the millions. He stated that he now wants Diane's fortune to go to Austin Schwal, except for that $337,000. Why? We didn't get a clear answer. Well, no matter who ends up winning this complicated case once it's decided, what actually happens

to the money from there is that person's business. You see, the public will never know. Though Tex finally did acknowledge that he killed his wife Diane with his gun in the backseat of the SUV that night, the personal, emotional, and financial damage continues to follow so many of us that were close to the MacIvers back when things felt, well, normal. The chapters of my life I would prefer not to revisit, but it's the story that just sort of continues to take different twists and turns. It's not the worst thing I've ever seen. But given the

opportunity and the wherewithal and the knowledge that Tex MacGyver has of the legal system, the number of self-inflicted wounds of his legal defense is and has been to me astonishing. How badly does Billy Corey want Tex to stay in prison? In my conversations with him I wouldn't say it's the most important thing is life but I would say in the time since Diane McGyver's death he's lost her. The relationship with Austin's been severely damaged. They were very closed. I know they still see each other but it's not the same because in part, he's aware of Texas involvement and Mr. Corey's involvement in Texas prosecution. And then he lost our common good friend, Jay Grover. His family

is still around. His wife is still alive. But I think it's wounded him in a way that he wants some recompense. He wants to see justice. And he does truly completely believe that it was a first degree plan, homicide. And so from that standpoint, he doesn't believe justice has been served and that Tex should still be in prison. They had so many plans that they were going to do together. And you know, one was the fact that, you know, Tex was retiring. And, I mean, there was never any doubt in my mind that it was an accident. And that's why I still have become Tex's friend, because I believe in him. Do you think he can have a happy life moving forward?

He'll do his best. Here's Judge Robert McBurney again on the case from his perspective. This trial was a spectacle and people were interested in it for reasons I don't fully understand other than that they were glamorous people who were involved. Here in Fulton County we handle dozens of murder trials every year and the tragedy is no smaller. Lives are lost, lives are taken for lust, greed, addiction, anger, pettiness.

They deserve attention as well. And I think there is some frustration that we are dissecting this case down to the level of what boots did Danny Jo wear when she testified when there are equally tragic murders that an assessment of might lead to more important discussions like why are the murders concentrated in the zip code and why are many of the murderers people who didn't make it through high school and if we could bend that arc in a different direction, would we see fewer fatalities? As opposed to was the woman who gave Tex massages wearing Diane's rubber boots at the ranch after Diane died. And that generated countless hours of discussion. And I appreciate that it

is eyeballs and it generates things, but I think it misses some of the deeper issues that beset our county and that I hope we do lots of podcasts about as well. The interview with Judge McBurney occurred on December 17, 2024, just days before the wrap of the podcast. We also reached out for comment to the offices of Fonny Willis, Adam Abbate, and Mary Margaret Oliver, but received no response. And that same afternoon, as Jason was waiting to start the interview with the judge, I received notice that Tex McGyver is indeed going to be a free man.

The parole board has approved his release. Just like Tex had said in his deposition, he's going to be a free man very soon. And me? My Nick Carraway experience in this great Gatsby-like story continues to stick with me as I think of Diane's death, her legacy in the community, and the unanswered questions that may take years to answer. Having spent so many years as an investigative reporter, I never imagined that the story that would have such a massive impact on me

would be the one I've been in the middle of now for years. I've observed a sentiment among our former circle that though we can't bring Diane back and even though it's painful talking about the events publicly like this, our voices together shining a light on the secret deals in this case far outweigh our own squeamishness about it all. Tex may be released any day now, maybe before this series even comes out, maybe in the months after, but most definitely by September 1st, 2025 if nothing else changes. And that means he will be a free man again.

But the burden of not only Diane's death, the smell of money, scandal, and never really knowing what led to the tragic events of that night in September 2016, will no doubt follow him well beyond his last days here on Earth. Oh gosh. I think about her every day, probably several times a day, and it doesn't make me feel sad or, I mean sometimes I can get sad, I can get

choked up about it. Yeah, I think of her every day for some reason that I wish that she was here. And I don't do it intentionally. It's just there are, we were like sisters for 42 years. And we have arguments like sisters, but yeah, I miss her. I miss her a lot but the memories are usually you know fun memories. The scene in Scarface he's with a killer and he's got this bomb in his lap and they're following some senator or something and they're supposed to blow his up, but the senator's kids get in the car and Scarface won't blow it up. And this guy who's with him keeps running his mouth, you need to push it, you need to do it, you need to da-da-da-da-da.

Because they need to kill this guy right now. And so Al Pacino turns around and he shoots the guy. His brains splatter all over the window. And he goes, look at you now. Look at you now, you son of a bitch. And Diane and I thought that was so funny. But we would just say that out of nowhere. Whoa!

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