Witnessed: Fade to Black - The Doodler | 5. An Actor and a Diplomat Walk into a Bar

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

At the end of 1975, The Doodler murders Harald Gullberg, the fifth and final suspected fatality that investigators have tied to this case. The Doodler’s sixth victim actually survives a brutal knife attack. Investigating today, Kevin is desperate to talk to an eyewitness, but investigator Dan Cunningham says the man wants to put the events of 1975 behind him. Private investigator Mike Taylor looks into rumors that this surviving victim may have been a Swedish diplomat, and some new leads emerge. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're about, I don't know, maybe three-quarters, 75 or 80 percent done with the reporting. You know, I mean, short of actually standing there watching someone kill someone else. Yeah. We're relying on history. Mike Taylor and I are talking out the difficulties of reporting a case with more questions than answers. You know, it's putting together little threads. And you can't have the threads together if you don't have the, you know, the semblance of a cloth. Right, exactly.

Until the summer of 1975, the Dooler had managed to kill at least four people. people, mostly undetected, leaving little evidence and no witnesses, as though he'd planned out everything perfectly. But of course, nobody is perfect. We really want to find a key witness in this case, an unnamed young man who we think was attacked by the dutler in July of 1975 in his apartment at the fox. Plaza apartment building in San Francisco. Around this time, the doodler started to make mistakes.

Some of the many attack may have gotten away, with memories of exactly what happened. Are any of them still alive? If so, we want to find them. But before the end of 1975, the doodler would claim one more life. I'm Kevin Fagan, from the San Francisco Chronicle, Ugly Duckling Films, and Neon Hum Media, This is the untold story of The Doodler. So I'm not sure what hole this is, but it's by the 16th hole of Lincoln. And evidently down a road that's got this divider to it.

Investigator Dan Cunningham and I are right by Lincoln golf course that lands in. It's just a skip north of the previous Doodler kill sites, Ocean Beach, and Spreckles Lake. The fifth and final presumed victim was found near the course's 16th hole. Hey, do you know where the 16th hole is at? So the 16th one is the one that goes down the hill right here on that side. Cunningham is using crime scene photos to pinpoint the exact spot. So I think we're close, right? I guess so.

It's probably about where the sign is up there, that next one, somewhere around that area? I think so. If the 16th, there's the, well, there's the flag right up there. Several months into this investigation, I think Cunningham is starting to think that my work could benefit him, too. Maybe that's why he's starting to be a little less reticent. Oh, look at that down there. Exactly. It could be it.

We settle on a spot that looks pretty close. There's a gap in the brush in front of us to a cliff that drops down to the ocean. It's pretty safe to say this is the same. same kind of sound you'd be hearing 45 years ago. Right, right. And it was probably as nice that day as it is today. I mean, it was in June. Uh-huh.

June of 1975. June 4th, 1975, around 6 p.m. That was when a hiker stumbled upon the body of Harold Goldberg. His body was found probably between 10 to 14 days after he was killed. So he was probably killed in the middle of May. I'm guessing it was probably a nice day that day and a beautiful view. Birds.

You've got the best view of the world right here. It's like a panoramic postcard of the bridge, the ocean. Golden Gate Bridge is straight over there. You got Baker's Beach, the beach. Yep. And beautiful. It's ironic that a horrific act like that would have taken place

in such a lovely location as this. Harold Goldberg was a 66-year-old merchant seaman, a Swedish immigrant, naturalized as a U.S. citizen 20 years before he died. Inspector Frank Falzone was the first responder that morning, along with his partner, Dave Toski. I remember the coroner telling us the body had been there for a while because of the size of the lava that was left by flies at the body had began to decay. Goldberg's throat had been slashed, his pants unzipped. Falzone and Toski worked the Goldberg crime scene,

but they wouldn't be the ones that take the case. So the lieutenant at the time, and I believe it was Charlie Ellis, took the case away from Toski, also away from myself, and gave it to Rotea Gilford and Earl Sanders, The Doodler Investigators. Former Mayor Willie Brown says they were the guys for the job. And they did a considerable amount of police work together. And they became really well known as the two top cops.

They were well-wired into the street, and that included gay bars where people might know what was going on. But Earl and Rotea quickly learned that Goldberg would be a hard nut to crack. Harold Goldberg in Sweden, I'm getting zero of anything, anyone close to him. Partially is because of his age. He was 66 when he died 45 years ago, so any contemporary would be 110 years old or at least 100. So that's sort of a problem. We do know that Goldberg was a merchant seaman for most of his life.

I'm in touch with the Sailors Union of the Pacific, which is the big, seafaring union in California. And I gave them the name, date of birth, date of death, and all that to see if they have anything. Turns out the union had no records on Goldberg, and could tell us nothing. But with some help from Mike's PI pal, Tamara Thompson, we learned Goldberg traveled to ports in Shanghai, Fiji, New York, Liverpool, and of course San Francisco, among many others. He didn't stay in one place for very long.

But from what we've gathered, San Francisco seems to have been his home base. It was the friendliest port a gay man like Goldberg could find. That's about all we know about Goldberg. He's the last known and confirmed doodler fatality. And on paper, his being an enigma reminds me of the doodler's first victim, Gerald Kavanaugh, both older loners. I began this journey wanting to find out more about the victims so I could understand more about the douglar. and while I've got a better handle on the doodler's potential motive and his inner turmoil,

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Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash crimes. Newspaper clippings from the 70s make passing reference to potential survivors of the doodler. Mike and I have been trying to find them. Back then, investigators protected their identities. But Mike and I have gleaned a little info. So, who were these witnesses? According to talk at the time, there was an actor who hung around gay bars. Rotea mentioned to the press that he was an actor famous enough to be nationally known. He was deep in the closet for the sake of his career, but there were places in San Francisco for famous gay men to indulge their desires in private.

Rock and Carrie Grant were, too, they were. You know, everybody talked about, oh, my God, Rock Hudson came into that club. And these were upscale clubs. You know what I mean? These are jacket and tie clubs. That's Ron Huberman again. He's the investigator you heard last episode. He says Hudson and Grant were the kind of nationally known actors whose sexuality was the subject of rumors. It later came out that Hudson was gay,

but Grant was only speculated about. Yet they both went to clubs where famous gay men were known to flock. The actor in question likely did too. Gossip about these men must have passed from bartender to bartender until they trickled down into the dive bars. Wayne was so gregarious. I mean, he was a perfect bar attendant. He talked to everybody.

Wayne Friday tended bar at a gay spot called the New Bell Saloon. He was a friend of Jay Stevens. He heard a lot, and he saw a lot. He had to be very careful. He didn't out people, but he would hint. It's a good bet that Earl and Rotea talked to Wayne. The rumor they heard went something like this.

A well-known actor went home with a man to have sex. and as they were about to go to bed, a knife fell from his coat. I wonder how long the knife sat on the floor between them before the actor bolted out of the room. He must have been quick. There was no attack, no blood. It was barely a story, really,

until it caught Earl and Rotea's attention. They thought it might be related to the Dooler case. Reports suggest the investigators tracked down the actor in question, and after talking with him, They seemed convinced that it was connected. Rotea was later quoted saying it would be terrible if his name got out. So a lot of people throughout the years have thought it's a lot of different people. And I don't want to say anybody's name specifically, but whoever that person was, they never made a police report.

Dan Cunningham at SFPD has access to Earl and Rotea's files. And he says even he doesn't know for sure. who the actor is. At that time, it wasn't a popular thing if you were a celebrity to come out and to be acknowledged as a gay man. So that report was never made because there would have to be a name with that, even though it was an attempt. We don't have that information. Cunningham has looked into several different names, and so have we. Mike and I have called agents of the few living actors from that time who were speculated about. We traced any actor who may have been in town performing, promoting something, or just hanging out. And we called relatives and acquaintances

of the deceased stars, too. The ones who responded didn't want anything to do with this project. The details around the actors run in with the doodler are admittedly murky, but we learn that there's potentially a second surviving witness. And he has a much more harrowing tale. So there was a diplomat. There was a diplomat. One that Dan Cunningham says had a running with the doodler at a late-night restaurant. It was called the truck stop. Yeah. I was market in church.

And the victim was in this bar, 2 o'clock of the morning, whatever, 2.15. And I guess they started putting all the chairs and tables together to make room. And everybody just kind of sat together because a lot of people wanted to eat, getting out of the bars. Yeah. And there was an individual that was there, and he was drawing on a napkin with some expertise. He was drawing animal figures. And an individual that was there, started chatting with him, ended up bringing him back to his place at the Fox Plaza.

The diplomat took this man in the restaurant back to his place in a high-rise apartment complex just south of the tenderline. It's called Fox Plaza. The building, which is still there, had offices and a bar on the lower floors and apartments with fabulous views all the way up to the 29th floor. When they got there, the artist locked himself in the bathroom for a while. The guy went in to check on him at some point and he said he was okay

the victim went back and sat down and was back to the door of the bathroom. Not long after that, the man emerged. This guy came out at some point and he was a steak knife and just started attacking him. He's trying to get his front and his back stabbing him. It was consistent with what the other injuries that he had done to the other victims. The attacker stabbed the diplomat six times, piercing his long.

lung. The blade broke off. He survived. The guy ran. In fact, Dan told me that as soon as the blade broke, the diplomat grabbed his attacker and threw him against the wall. The attacker, now unarmed, ran from the scene. The diplomat was gravely wounded, bleeding from six places in his chest and his back. But he was alive. Miraculously, he walked himself to a hospital clinic down the street, where he stayed for several weeks. He didn't go to the cops at first. If he did, he'd have to tell them exactly what happened, why this man was in his apartment in the first place. At best, he would have to out himself to the police. At worst, he would be outed to the public, his colleagues, for which a

gay man in 1975 would mean public humiliation and potential criminal liability. But a few weeks later, the diplomat filed a police report on the incident. I don't know what changed his mind. Inspectors Ratea Guilford and Earl Sanders took the report into their file. The attack on the diplomat was an outlier. It marked a complete change in pattern from the five murders we've talked about. Those killings happened in remote locations, all within walking distance of each other, starting at the beach and curving up the coast to the wooded lands in. Places where victims were unlikely to receive help. The diplomat had neighbors in Fox Plaza.

His screams could be heard through the walls. If this was a doodler attack, why would he change things up? Why would he take such a huge risk? Does Dan have the police reports of those attacks from July 75? He does, yeah. I mean, did the cops go back to the building

and start interviewing people up and down? the hall? Why, curiously, he did not fill me in on all those intricate details. I see. I would like to, I would assume they would, don't you think? I mean, that kind of makes sense. You'd go bang on some doors. If they did it, yeah.

You know, a lot of times investigators will go back to the crime scene and bang on a door, leave a card. It doesn't mean people are home. The next time I met Cunningham, he confirmed that the diplomat is very much a lot. You talked to the diplomat, right? I've talked to that victim, yes. Does he want to come forward? I don't want to comment on that.

From the sound of Dan's voice, it feels like something is still going on with this witness. Is he still scared of being outed? Or is that still an issue at this time, 45 years later? I don't... The issue with him is not about being outed at all. He's got some other issues throughout the years because of that attack. Yeah.

Did he sustain injuries that stuck through these years that bothered them? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Cunningham says this diplomat doesn't want to talk. Nearly half a century later, he appears to still live in fear. It'll be attacked again. We don't want to out the diplomat by name or to put him in danger. But if we talked, he could confirm what the doodler looked like, acted like.

acted like, or maybe he could even give us a name. I feel like we can convince him to trust us if we can only figure out who he is. There's not much for us to go on other than his title. Dipliment. In 1975, San Francisco was home to consulates from all over the world. France, Sweden, Japan, India, the Philippines. The list goes on. Narrowing that list down without any guidance would be time-consuming, if not impossible. But I do wonder if rumors about the actor spread through the bar scene, maybe there were rumors about a diplomat, too. Yep. Randy Alfred was a journalist at the San Francisco Sentinel, a gay newspaper back when these

attacks happened. He covered anti-gay violence, and he worked closely with the guy who covered the doodler. Which was Chuck Morris's beat. Chuck Morris passed away in 1986, but Randy remembers hearing one detail about the diplomat, a rumor that came to him. came from the SFPD. I'm pretty sure that they thought it was a Swedish diplomat. And I think that may have been information that wasn't publicly released because it would have

identified him. He's right. It wouldn't be hard to get information on a diplomat and a single consulate in San Francisco. And that narrows it down from all of the countries, you know, 40 or 50 or even 60 countries had consulates here because it's a port city. unless it was one of those other Nordic countries like Denmark or Norway, but I remember it as Swedish. I asked investigator Ron Huberman if he ever heard anything similar about a Swedish diplomat

from Wayne Friday or any other bartenders at the time. I think the diplomat, I can't remember his name now, but the diplomat used to go into the new bell, which is where the piano player was and where Wayne helped attend a bar. Huberman makes it sound like this diplomat was a regular. Everybody would just call him the diplomat. I don't think he used his name, which was very common in some of his position. Do you know what country he might have come from?

I don't know. I just can't remember. But it wouldn't be strange for diplomats from, I would say, you know, northern Europe. In other words, from France or Germany or, you know, Switzerland or to be assigned in San Francisco and be gay. Seemed like I was on to something. So I pressed Dan again the next time I saw him. That conversation was off Mike, but I updated Mike Taylor on the phone. I said, okay, diplomat, is he Swedish, Scandinavian?

The quote was, you're good, but I'm not going to tell you any of that. I'm pursuing some other lines on the diplomat just to see if they pan out. There's actually a very strong Swedish or Swedish American community in the Bay Area. So I'm starting to find some names in there to go out. Mike wants to cross-reference those names with the names that are listed in a 1975 San Francisco City Directory. The directory lists the names of almost all of the residents in Fox Plaza, the diplomats' apartment complex. Mike has been culling a list of over 300 names. If we knew what floor he lived on, we could narrow it down.

Mike also wants to compare the names to Swedish consular records. If the laws were the same in Sweden as they are here, and you could follow the names to Swedish consular records. And you can file a Freedom of Information Act request and say, you know, cough up any papers you have on problems in the Swedish consulate in San Francisco in the mid-70s. The only catch is that the Swedish government is barred by law from sharing archival materials with non-citizens. So Mike called up a researcher in Stockholm. It's 8.30 a.m. in California. I'm with Nina. How do you pronounce it, Sylventoinen? Perfectly.

Nina Silventoinen is going to look through the archives in Sweden for us. I remember there was one email that I got from the Ricks Archivit in Sweden. And the man said, look in box, shelf this, box number, etc., etc. Did you get that? You got that? Yeah, I actually had contact with her, the woman from there. And I ordered the file, the doctor. there's that she mentioned.

Okay. But she also said that be aware that the list are not complete. But of course, I mean, I will pick them out for you and I have a big box waiting for me when I get there tomorrow. I'll update you if those records from Sweden get us anywhere.

The actor and the diplomat were lynchpins to Earl and Rotea's investigation. Their combined memories told a story of a knife-wielding man a man intent to kill the men he went home with. If Rotea and Earl were right. This was the doodler. But there's still more we need to know to be sure.

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Listen, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Jesse Tyler Ferguson. On my podcast, Dinner's on Me, I've taken guests like Sophia Vigara, Catherine Hahn, and Margaret Cho to some incredible restaurants around Los Angeles. And now, you can check them out for yourself. I've put together an Apple Maps guide featuring just some of the delicious spots we've shared meals and stories on the show.

Go explore and maybe even go grab a bite where we recorded. Just search dinners on me on Apple Maps and don't forget to listen on Apple Podcasts. What I'm about to go into is a combination of details from my own research and new details from Cunningham. In July of 1975, the diplomat was laid up in a hospital bed

recovering from severe stab wounds in a pierced lung. He had just agreed to file a police report. What he revealed to Earl and Rotea was, to them, the first description of the doodler to ever hit a policeman's ear. They wrote down the description in their report. Dan Cunningham laid it out for me. So this person was, at the time of late teens, 19, 20 years old, slender six feet, five 11, slender bill, African American.

The diplomats attacker was a young black man, not unlike the zebra killers, and he too had a motive. I read in some of the clippings that in one of the attacks, the perpetrator said something about you gay guys are all the same or something like that. Is this that series of attacks? Yes. There was consistent comments made to both victims that survived. This attacker seemed to harbor some kind of hatred.

toward the actor and the diplomat for their sexuality. Same as the killer on Ocean Beach. We already know the doodler had it out for gay men, so this language fits the doodler's pattern. You gay guys are all the same. Rotea and Earl had to be pretty damn sure this was their guy. After gathering as much as they could from the diplomat and the actor, Earl and Rotea had enough information

to start piecing together an image of this suspect. The doodler was about to be doodled. One of the witnesses generated the sketch. Cunningham eventually said the diplomat was the one who described the attacker in the greatest detail. The sketch looks like a shaded pencil drawing. The man it depicts is young with a long chin, serious eyes, and a medium dark complexion. He's wearing a navy-type watch cap. The drawing is almost photorealistic.

It's not a character like some other police sketches. Drawn with precision. A lot of time and effort went into the... this sketch. It was released to the public in November of 1975. Both the Sentinel and The Chronicle published it, along with a phone number for tipsters to call. Earl and Rotea were confident that the diplomats attacker and the doodler were one and the same. They needed any additional leads they could get to confirm that. The Sentinel warned readers, under no circumstances should the suspect be approached. It was a huge development for the case, and investigators were putting a lot of

faith into this composite sketch. Would that be a problem? The word I would probably use with respect to police sketches or composite sketches is dangerous. Karen Newworth is an attorney for the Exoneration Project.

She's also an expert on eyewitness identification. We know as a matter of scientific fact based on laboratory research that composite sketches are unrelated. liable, that the ability to describe a person is not well correlated to the ability to identify them. Those are two separate functions in your brain. Newworth says that when we look at a face, we see it as a whole, not as individual parts. Making a composite sketch, the way it's done requires an individual to describe a person by their features, right?

individual features. We make the eyes. We make the nose. We make the mouth. And absent something really distinctive, that's asking people to do an entirely separate cognitive task describing about something that we don't actually process. If you show 26 people or 2,600 people, the same photograph, you're going to get that many different composites. And the reliability of a composite sketch is even shakier when the victim and the perpetrator are different races. It's worth noting that the suspect described in the doodler sketch was a man of color, and all the known doodler victims were white. These were cross-racial in nature and cross-racial identifications are known to be more unreliable than same-race

identifications, and part of that problem is the lack of vocabulary, and particularly from white to black, in the United States, to do. describe features of other race persons or to, you know, appreciate distinctions in other race features. This all means that building an accurate composite sketch is a long shot at best. Jennifer Dysart is a psychology professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and an expert on eyewitness identification. Research has also shown that by using a sketch artist or some of these older techniques where

you kind of, let's say, build a face, that those processes can actually influence your recollection and your memory for the face of the perpetrator. And using an inaccurate sketch in your investigation can compound the problem. The sketch is done. The witness says it's as good as it's going to get or it's very close or it looks just like him, whatever they say. And then the sketch is distributed. And the hope is what?

that someone will see the sketch and go, oh, my gosh, that's my neighbor. And so you call the police, you say it's probably nothing. Let's say then the police, maybe they see the sketch, maybe they don't, but they go to the neighbor's house, and the person opens the door and they think, oh, he looks just like the sketch, right? Like, what are the chances? The chances are very high, actually, because the person was calling because they already believe. There's already been a match. In a way, the sketch gives the police exactly what they want, a suspect. Now, anything the neighbor does will be seen through a lens of suspicion.

What the person doesn't realize the neighbor who's now the suspect is that the witness's memory of the perpetrator has been influenced by the sketch. And their memory for the perpetrator is going to look very similar to the sketch. And if the suspect has been selected, because they look like the sketch, why should anyone be surprised when that guy gets selected from a photo array or a live lineup or an in-court identification procedure? No one should be surprised. Professor Dysart says there is no scientific way to evaluate the accuracy of a police sketch. The only way to know if it's right or wrong is to identify the perpetrator by other means,

like DNA testing or video evidence, things that SFPD did. didn't have then. DNA wasn't a tool for police until many years later. Whether the police knew it or not, the doodler sketch was a shot in the dark. Who knows how much false suspicion it would raise around the streets of San Francisco. At the time, Rotea and Earl were two of the only black investigators at the SFPD. It's hard to know if any of this was front of mind for them. After all, just a year earlier, a composite sketch had helped them solve the zebra case. So this was a tool they likely had some faith in. And as it would turn out,

the doodler sketch got results. Next time on the doodler. Once a sketch, the composite was put out there. Then the phone call came from the anonymous woman. And it was that woman's phone call that started it. Police get a fateful phone call. And she gave a very specific name. Yeah.

And approximately 10 days later, if she called up again, a little upset, apparently agitated because she didn't think anything was getting done and provided a license plate of the suspect. That's next time on The Untold Story of The Doodler. and produced in association with neon hum media and Sony Music Entertainment. It is reported by me, the host, Kevin Fagan, and Mike Taylor. Produced and written by Tanner Robbins. Natalie Wren is our co-producer and Odelia Rubin, our supervising producer.

Associate producers are Bennett Pursor, Chloe Chobel, and Ryan J. Brown. Our sound designer and composer is Hansdale Sue. Our editor is Nick White, and our executive editor is Catherine St. Louis. Editorial support from King Kaufman and Tim O'Rourke for the San Francisco Chronicle. Executive producers are Sophia Gibber and Lena Bousager for Ugly Deckling Films and Jonathan Hirsch for Neon Hum Media.