Wolf and Owl - Auditions, Ranking Actors & Weird Parenting Advice

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

What would happen if Tom and Romesh started their own Diary of a CEO? On this week's Wolf & Owl, the boys settle into their brand new studio before taking the mickey out of some of the biggest podcasts around. From The Diary of a CEO to The Rest Is Entertainment (and even a cycling podcast nobody asked for), no podcast is safe. Elsewhere, Tom gives Romesh some questionable dad advice, and the pair role play some bizarre audition scenarios. As always, expect complete nonsense, the odd surprisingly wholesome moment and plenty of reasons to email us your questions, dilemmas and ideas for future episodes at [e-mail] A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters 00:00 Intro 02:40 A present for Jermaine 04:48 Itchy & Scratchy vs Tom & Jerry 05:51 Auditioning 13:00 Romesh’s audition 17:16 Some Dad advice 27:14 Ranking best actors 30:16 Our own Diary Of A CEO 36:05 What can we do next? 37:10 A cyling skit 41:04 Tom’s hallmark read 42:46 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Wolf and our podcast. We're in studio. We're in our own studio. In our own sweet sweet. A wolf and an owl. This is ours. The way things are going in six months, I could be sleeping here. Yeah.

Yeah, what do you want, beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with floors, whatever's prefer. Just kidding, every word in his song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. A dog. Yeah, lovely. Clean, laundered, they smell nice. There are some people that don't get under the sheets at a hotel because they don't trust them. What, what do you mean? You know, even though they've been washed, you sort of think about what's gone on.

Laundry, can I say you could eat your dinner off those beds? Shout out the launders. The hotel washes. If you think about... That's going to become a problem. What's going to come from? No, no, I quite like it. Honestly, if you think about...

Everything's reassuring me. I wouldn't do that. If you think about... I just wipe my ass. Oh. I do. I know, that's not true. If you think about what happens in a hotel room every night

I'm going to say, by the way, a lot of times what happens in a hotel room is not that, but it's just people go to sleep. I know. Yeah, you're thinking everyone's bumping. Yeah, but I just think when you go into a hotel not bumping uglies, but I mean, come offing. I was going to say shagging, but I felt so old saying shagging.

No, but you know what? Bumping ugly sounded really edgy, so well done. Dodge that bullet. Who says shagging anymore? Who says bumping uglys? Anyway, how are you, Tom? I'm good, mate, I'm good, yeah, yeah. What you're even up to you?

You know what you're, like, worried about? Literally, this is very, very of the moment. Yeah. We're sitting here, I'm very much at home here. This is a beautiful studio, very happy. And then I've just had this email for a part. Okay, I'm not going to get too into this. Yeah, but I'm slightly nervous for you now because this is bad.

You've just received this. Yeah. And now you're going to overshare. I'm not overshare. Okay. I've got very, very nervous share. excited when I read the blurb. I was like oh this feels a bit of me. Cool

like disaster stroke action movie movie. Yeah very exciting. You're a movie guy now aren't you? I'm not a movie guy. You're a movie guy? I'm not, I'm not a movie guy. Hold on. Aren't you in two films that are coming out this year? I'm in four films that are coming out this year. Is that true? Yeah, yeah.

So you're in four films this year? But not big parts. I've not been in four films in my life. Yeah, no, but they're not big. Yeah, I'm a supporting actor. But this part is very, like it's an audition. but it's very much like I get taken out pretty quick I can't give too much more I got very excited I read the part

I'm like okay I could maybe do some of this I look at the script and I'm literally in a disaster sort of like monster movie on the first thing I'm like the sort of like well you're not either this is an audition yeah I'm not I haven't got the part I mean yeah so hypothetically theoretically if you make it through the audition

yeah which by the way I'm awful in the auditions we've covered that before. Yeah, but you're in four films this year. I'm just I'm saying back to you what you said to me. No, no, no, no. It's not getting coy now. No, no, no, but also yeah, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, all right, let's not, let's not, let's not, you're, you're

sort of displaying arrogance in your attempt at humility here. No, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying it. You don't have to be a lead actor, you're supporting action in four films. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm a, I'm a cog in a will. Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying this one I got very excited about I start reading it and then it's very much like yeah I'm swiped out

so there's not a lot of that I thought I was going to be a part of the in the in the mix of you know the horror of the oh no this thing's coming but I just get taken out before there's any of that so I'm the like a moose bush for the monster yeah but you could is there part of you that thinks you could turn that into an amazing

like if you make if you really fucking really went for it and your cameo how when you go for auditions how much do you give it I don't really go for auditions because it's a really interesting thing right another actor and I won't name me but he's a friend of mine a friend of yours a very good guy

he said to me he never gives it too much in the first audition because he's like if I give it too much and if I do too much stuff to it he's like he's like done a lot of stuff and he's like basically it will sometimes become between two

like the producer wasn't saying in the director to on someone, right, on a part. And so they'll usually argue over this part. They'll be like, oh yeah, well, we think it should be, Rob Beckett, we think it should be Josh Willickham. They're arguing over those. The film sounds terrible. And he said, and what often

happens is then you've got someone in the middle who everyone's like, yeah, he's pretty good. And they get that part. So he goes into it with this sort. That's how isn't that how Leonardo DiCaprio got the Revenant? Really? Yeah. Oh, fuck off. What? Of course I'm fucking making it.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, so he said He never puts too much passionate Right, he wants to be, he's aiming to be the middle guy He aims, but also then if he gives a callback He's auditioning to be the compromise Yeah, but also then he also says He goes in and so for your first tape

You go, well, I'm going to give it this And then when you're second, if you get a callback If they like, because he said so much of it is I mean they'll literally look and go Oh, he looks good, yeah And then he'll go back in and the second take He'll give it everything Whereas I go in with so much gusto

Okay And then I think sometimes I'd probably come across too thirsty in auditions. Do you do an audition now? I mean, it would be good if we had a film script that I could. Let me just find one. Okay. There's me one second. We can edit this out, can't we?

Yeah. What film script do you want? I'm sure they're all online. Should we do? Heat, the CAFSA in heat. Okay, fine. Remember, so I'm the castor director. Yeah.

So I don't have to give this anything. Yeah, yeah, you don't. Yeah, no, no. Okay. Hi. Hello, Tom. Thank you so much for coming to read for this. Thank you.

I love this part. I love this script. What did you think? What was your sort of take on the script? Just thought it was really, really amazing. I can see all the characters like I know them. I don't know if you've ever felt that before.

Yeah. Yeah. It's really good. Oh, that's good that you feel like that. Actually, what I really love about it is, like, the city of LA itself is a character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's really, really good. And I just hope that this gets. there if it's not me it's someone else but someone someone will get it yeah but I hope it's the right person yeah to bring something like this to life is an honor so yeah thank you so much yeah we've got a couple of people in the picture for it oh exciting but we're very excited to hear you well thank you very much yeah I hope I do it's really interested in your take on it so so um do you want to give me a little bit of background on the character he's quite a cool guy I guess yeah I mean you got it all in the notes yeah I imagine you read them

before you arrived yeah of course yeah I'm not off book by the way No, I didn't expect you would be based on what you're wearing. Okay, so... I have got a roll neck in my bag if you'll make. No, no, no, that's fine. So what we'll do is we'll just... What we'll do is do a read and then I'll give you some thoughts and then maybe see if you can fold that into the second read, okay?

Okay, and so basically these two guys are in a calf, one of them's a bad guy, one's a good guy, right? Are you telling... Yeah, no, yeah. Okay, cool. All right, I'll be Hannah. Yep, and I'll go for the part of Neil. Neil McCauley, I believe.

yeah yeah yeah okay so you I mean you read the the covering so he's cool seven years in Folsom in the hole for three McNeil before that yeah McNeil was McNeil as tough as they say you're looking for a cover penthouse so can we just hold on one second just stop the camera you okay Tom sorry yeah no I went with the idea that he's halfway through his frat up no I saw that yeah I actually think that he'd be drinking just a And did the fry up stopping from being able to pronounce penologist? I didn't know how to pronounce that.

I don't actually know what it is. You have, but you've read, I mean, I know you're off book, but you've seen the words before. You have, but I didn't know what that was. Should we go from the top? Yeah, okay. So I'm just going to drink a coffee because I actually think... Okay, fine, yeah, yeah, what have you want to do.

Okay, cool. Okay, and let's go. You ready? Yep. Okay. Seven years in Folsom in the hole for three. McNeil before that. Yeah, yeah.

Was it McNeil as tough as they say? Wait, are you looking to become a petologist? Can we just stop again? It's penologist. Okay, I'm sorry, sorry. Okay. What we'll do is, if you mispronounce it again, we'll just carry on. But it's penologist.

Okay, let's go from the top. Okay. Seven years in Folsom in the hole for three, McNeil before that. Yeah. Was McNeil as tough as they say? We'll carry on. You're looking to become a penologist? You're looking to go back?

You know, I just chase some crews. Guys just looking to fuck up. get busted back. That you? You must have worked some dipshit crews. I worked all kinds. You see me doing thrill-sick and look or chasing hold-ups with boring a loose tattoo on my neck or chest? No, I do not.

Right. I ain't never going back. Then don't take down scores. I do what I do best. I take down scores. You do what you do best. trying to stuff guys like me. So you never wanted a regular type life?

What the fuck is that, huh? Barbecues and ball games? Yeah. Huh. What, this regular life? That's your life, buddy? Okay, can we just stop there? Can we scroll back up, please?

There's one particular line that I'd love to hear you'll read on again. Yeah. That's okay, Tom. I'll have to look back at the recording, but it sounded like you said, you see me doing thrill-sick-a-licker still hold up to the Bourne to lose tattoo on my neck or chest

Well the way I see this character is like It's easy to read this and be really slick and cool But if he gets a little bit tripped up in his words Sure but I think let's Should we try and find that within the line So do you want just give me that again? Yeah okay Where was I was a sandwich? Do you remember?

I thought you had a coffee I did but I went for a sandwich Had the sandwich been there the whole time I had the sandwich for this take Okay I don't think it If you're going to cut us take together and show Michael Mann, I really like the whole... Why don't you worry? Let me worry about what Michael Man's going to see. Okay.

If it makes it a bit better. Michael, we're not sure on the sandwich continuity. Okay, I'm just going to have the sandwich like this, just so you know what I'm doing. Okay. Can be cut in. You see me doing thrill-seek, a liquor, start, hold-ups with the Borner-Lews, a little bittero in my chest, buddy? There's no buddy in the line.

Yeah, I know, but I'm sure, that's my interpretation of the character. He calls everyone buddy. Okay. Can we just scroll down a bit further, please? There's a little chunk of monologue here. I need you to feed me in this. Because it's quite important. Yeah, okay.

Okay, fine. I'll give you the last few lines. Okay, fine. I got a wife. We're passing each other on the downslope of a marriage, my third. Because I spend all my time chasing guys like you around the block. That's my life. Guy told me one time, don't let yourself get attached to anything.

You are not winning a walk. out on in 30 seconds flat if you fill the heat around the corner now if you're on me and you got to move when I move how do you expect to keep a marriage huh great I think we've got everything I think that is thank you so much Tom do you think the apple that the sandwich was did you think the sandwich did it added something to it it added something yeah certainly added a bit of confusion to your delivery thank you no it's I always think because it's a power move eating so thank you anyway yeah thanks so much for coming by the way

send Michael Matt a man it's Michael Mann my regards please we'll do thank you thank you thanks so yeah that's how I go in okay yeah yeah yeah I mean usually I'm off-p I mean you're taking the piss you'd have prepped a lot more yeah of course I'd be off the book but I go do the sandwich thing do you think yeah I think if I felt the thing was right okay sometimes you need to lay down a staff statement in our audition.

I mean, I'd love to see how you audition. What do you mean? Well, we've done me, I'd like to see. Because you're, you're pretty slick, I can imagine. Not really. Okay, what's your fate? What scene is your, what scene stands out that we get a real romish moment? I don't know. I think that's something quite romantic. What's that one of the most romantic?

Four weddings and a funeral? Oh yeah, that could be nice, yeah. Now what's, I'm just to go? Oh no, let's do Notting Hill, okay. You can be Julia Roberts, so yeah, let's do that. Okay, cool. You're Julia, I'm a huge. All right, so let's just do do you coming in. Okay. Hi, I'm Ramesh. Ranganathan?

Yes. Ah, okay. Thanks so much for seeing me. No, thank you for coming in. I absolutely love the script. Yes, no, it's a wonderful script. It sort of does that thing of like... Making you fall in love all over again?

Yeah, in a way, I guess so. Yeah. No, no, no, it's beautiful. We're very lucky to have it come across our desk. So, yeah. And we've all been very excited to see what your interpretation would be. Oh, thanks. I mean, I'm just honored to be asked, to be honest.

Yes. You read for it, so thank you. So you are reading. for Julia um in this oh okay it's actually well the part that we've got for you isn't fully written so you are gonna we just need to see what you can do in this situation

okay and and just so I know Julia is British uh she's American but you can play it British if you're worried about her being okay you can play it in your own accent or you can play it in I can do it American there's also a as a wacky sidekick we haven't got that script yet so see what you could do I wonder that's going to Reese France, isn't it? Anyway, okay, let's...

But if you can imagine, you've read the whole script. Yeah. So they're in love. Well, this is, yeah. We need you, not, you're in love. You're not a victim of your love. You're still very sexual. Okay.

That's not, I mean, the scene that you've all, the scene that we're doing is it doesn't feel that sexual. It's sort of a reconciliation. Yes, but you still have sexual in you. Okay. Sexual in you? Yeah. Sexual in you.

Okay. So you're still very, yeah. Okay. What's wrong? Just imagine you're being sexy. Well, we've not started it, have we? Okay. Are we going?

Yeah, but remember you've got a knock on the door first. Oh, right, yeah. Knock, knock. Less is more. Okay. Knock knock. Hi, can you love me again? No.

I'm slowly but surely starting to figure out that you're a selfish wang. and I can't let you hurt me again. Bucks. And I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love me. No, no, no, no, no.

So that's what I thought you were just doing for me to do? No, just go, like, you're... I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him in all that. I don't think that's, sorry to, I don't know if that's how it'll be played. I just, just...

That doesn't feel like how it's written. Just give me something more like that. Let's do it again for the top. Okay. Knock knock. Hi. Can you love me again? No.

I'm slowly but surely starting to figure out you're a selfish wanker. I can't let you hurt me again. Bullocks! But I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love me. Love her? Her. That was really sexy. I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her.

Thank you for coming in, Roche. See, but actually, you know what? You took notes really well. Thanks. That's one of the big things that cast and directors. Yeah, thank you. I mean, there is no way that this is the real script. No, but this is all we've got.

Yeah, okay. It's also, this feels like a sad rip-off of, because they're called Julia and Hugh. Yeah. Well, I don't think in the script it says Julian Hugh, is it? Well, it'd be awful if you're auditioning for either of those parts. Yeah. written for Julia Robertson?

Although in Cinderella, I did play Ramesh. Did you? Yeah. Oh, wow. You know, I, um, early on in my career, I did a part and a character was called Greg. And as we were sort of doing a, like a read-through. You realize it's Greg Davis. I went, uh, this is obviously Greg Davis, uh, sort of joking.

And they went, yeah, yeah, no, he couldn't do it. Oh, God. So never call a character. Yeah. All right. Well, that was good. Yeah, I enjoyed it. We've gone off a tangent and I expect to go there. How have you been my baby?

Yeah, I've been good. I am having a little bit of a thing with the boys. Oh, Spaglio, here for dad advice. Yeah, I'd love to get some dad advice if I'm. Okay, I haven't got three sons. I've got a daughter, but I can help. Six evenings a week. Yeah. I'm not at home. And the good thing is I don't bring it home and sort of start talking about how, even though I'm chasing my dreams, it's not working out exactly how I wanted.

And could Lisa listen to me talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh God, she's so lucky. Anyway, the point is she's doing a lot of running around after the boys. She's had to basically, it's almost like if you put in a football analogy, it's a bit like when Saliba got injured for Arsenal and Gabrielle's having to do to Arsenal. Yeah, like when I'm away, Lisa's got to do the drop-offs, she's got to do the running around, she's doing the dinners and stuff like that, whereas when I'm at home,

all she's doing then is the drop-offs, the running around and the dinners. So the problem that I've got is, is that the boys, because Lisa's so good, they're not being as grateful. And they're getting a little bit. Do you know that thing about where it starts off with gratitude? Yeah. Then it moves to expectation.

Yeah. And then it moves to resentment. Wow. I don't think they resent Lisa. But sometimes I feel like they're expecting these things to happen. So much so that it's got to the point now where I think I need to have a chat with them. Wow. this is the first one we're

and just be like a bit grateful you know Lisa's like what I think is Can I say by the way You've melted a bit already Why? Well because when you were doing that Even I was like wow

This is like a dominant force in the house And then what happened And then you just went And you just Well I don't want to keep doing that the whole fucking time I'm gonna move at some point Oh no No but you can't like

You're going in there Sort of like you're going Yeah I'm not having You actually you had like Brandoesque like Yeah but that's not how I want a parent No no but you know I don't want a parent like this Also, by the way,

this is aggressive, no, yeah, but you haven't got to, you can stroke it slowly like that. Well, that feels sexual. What I'm saying is this,

and then you sort of melt a little bit and all your bodies like, did I start saying? Yeah, okay. You can't do that? All right, you know. And by the way, can I just say,

before we carry on, this means a lot, because I know how steely you are with grass. Oh, no, can I just say, this is the most, like, hypocritical advice ever given from anyone.

You are the chocolate fondant. Oh, I am. I am literally the biggest mug. Like, the level of mug that I've become in my house is Grace and Catholic, like, I'll do something I think that will be funny for a four-year-old that she'll laugh at. Oh, hold on a sec. Did you hear that?

What's that? I think it might have been Josh and Rob panicking. Somebody's moving on to their territory. Oh, God. Have you seen the Bluey episode, Rug Island? No. There's a great episode of Bluey called Rug Island, where Blue Yeet is

and Bingar playing with their dad a game on a rug where they've got felt tips and they do this imaginary game where they're catching fish well I brought some I brought some felt tips for me and Grace

and I threw them all over the floor and then I'm like sort of and she was playing for a little bit and then I sort of oh we need to build a bridge to the next island so I got those of pillows and I was sort of throwing

and then leaping from pillow to pillow and I sort of slipped a bit and Grace looked at Catherine and she went Oh, dad. Oh, dad. Catherine just started laughing, so it was really funny. But it was like, you know, like,

like you think she's a pathetic loser. Yeah, yeah. Like, she thinks of an absolute joke. So, look, but I'm giving this advice on the basis that don't. Yeah, do as I say, not as I did. Exactly. But what I'm saying is, like, you've got three, they're three lovely boys.

They're great lads. They're amazing lads. But they're all of an age now. And I think you'd agree. they are very, very funny boys. They love Mickey taking. They love it. Very much like their father.

Right? I don't like Mickey Takers. They should be an insult, well, that's a compliment. You're great a bloody banner. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you've got to go in there now, not as like, oh, dad's our best mate.

Hey, Dad, come here, you're a mask, all right? You've got to go in there. My children have put me in a headlock. Yeah, okay. But sometimes, yeah. Yeah. They've tried. After about 45.

minutes I got out of it. So that shows you. I'll just say when you go in there, you've got to go in there as not necessarily doing this, the woodpecker, but go in there as, you know, have a little bit of more, like a little bit of authority, a little bit of swag.

Wear something in your nice clothes. Why? I'm not dressing up to speak to my children. No, but don't wear your old, like, sort of like tracks your bottoms where the waist's going, an old Arsenal shirt. It's not too, like, you know, wear something like something that feels like, you know, makes you feel nice

and then you'll feel more, like, confident. I don't know. It feels like dating advice. No, I'm just saying if your boys are sitting there, right, they're all playing a computer and you come walking in. They're like, oh, my God, Dad, put it away. I'm not walking around with my dick out. No, I mean, if you're wearing a pair of light,

they can see it through the outright. Tom, Tom, I don't know, I don't know what you think I'm walking around the house in. But they're not going, fucking old, Dad, can you put your cock away again? like it's not that out it's more of a figurative like a joke no there's not a suggestion of it it's not silhouetted they can't see it prestigates my thigh but from a tight legging all right they're not seeing any of that okay but when you come in yeah you've just got your nice you put where your nice fine i've got i saw come in in a suit what are they doing yeah cantonor-esque they're playing the PS5, right?

Call adieu, your grandfather's to what I was saying, oh, grievee, cool. Right? And they're like, oh, cripes, you just blubbing killed me, mate. And then, yeah. What do I say? Why are you behaving like you're in the bino? Who the fuck says, cripes?

What are they swearing? Sometimes they do. Okay. They're allowed a bit of an amnesty. Oh, you fucking lous. You bloody killed me, mate. Uh, boys, can I... Oh, just in the middle of the game. No, no, no, no, no. I need to quit. I need a word now. Dad, I've never got it. What? What are you doing?

Are you silly? I know you're not talking to me like that. I need to have a chat with you. Oh my God, what's happened? Mum's dead. What? Is what I could be saying to you one day. Okay.

And you'd really regret it. I've gone quite too. Jesus Christ. She's not. She's not. Let me try again. What are you even want? I mean, you've got to be a bit like how the kids are.

Okay. Okay. What do you even want? You've not been, you've been a bit rude to mum. Mum's like running around doing loads. We love Mum. Sure, but you're sort of taking her for granted a little bit. In what sense?

What do you even mean? Think about what you're going to say. I've not even finished the sentence. I'm so annoyed. So do you want to let me just get this out? That was my friend Wesley from America. Okay. He's going for a lot right now.

Well, I hope his son's been not as much of a prick as you are. Listen, mom's running around. She does the most of you of anyone. Yeah. And you are being rude to her. You're expecting stuff. You're not being grateful. You're close to a situation where she's just going to stop doing this stuff and you can find your own way.

Wow. I sometimes do not like the way that you speak to mum. I actually find it embarrassing. I would not speak to mum the way you speak to mum and I'm an adult. You're always taking a mick out of your mum. Out of my mum? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I tell you what, you find a way to monetise it and you can do it. I'm sorry, Dad. when you're like this you're so cool that was genuinely by the way kick ass you like that that was

you know that work that's what it yes bro that was that was like that was like cool hand look kind of way that was you had an edge bro

right mate that's serious you're going like that I'm going to tell you something as well yeah Lisa's standing in the background you doing that yeah

forget about it what is that man she's going to be like there it is wow You think I'll have sex? Yes. And by the way, then that will become the character.

You'll probably have to become more and more in the house. Thus, in real life, you'll become that person, what more. Could be game-changing. Yeah. I mean, I'd say stuff like that to the kids all the time. Not all the time, but this is quite, it's not serious, but it needs an intention. No, yeah, but you do it like that, I guarantee now, listen. Don't turn off the PlayStation halfway three.

That's a big move. Have you done that before? No, because they would never continue playing the game if I'll have to speak to them. Wow. by the way you have so much respect in your head so you're telling me you go into the room no if I went in and just casually started saying

da da da da they would carry on playing but if I said I need to have a word of you my iPad got broken the other day because I said to Grace Grace you need to stop playing that I want to talk to you and she said like that and looked to me and I went

grace serious and she went and threw it on the floor I'm starting to wonder why I'm getting the advice from you yeah it sounds like you're living in well she's a bit older that I can you know it's far so is it broken

This is a little crack on the screen, yeah Is it her iPad? That's mine, that's mine. She's breaking my things. It's like I've got a really abusive cell mate. I'm being a prick there. She didn't know, you know, she's not. Kids don't know how much this shit's worth.

No, no, no, no. No, but it was also she could have turned it off or handed it to me and she chose to throat on the floor. Yeah. It was a little bit like, you know. God, I really like this parenting. How old, what other podcast should we rip off and start doing stuff?

Who else is there? Rest is history, rest entertainment. Oh, my God. Rest is entertainment. Okay, let's do Resident Entertainment. Yeah. Who are you going to be? Well, we weren't Josh and Robin when we did Ponte.

No, I don't. Yeah. Entertainment-wise, I will say. So actually, it's interesting because it's a big TV show, sure. But actually, I'm just, I'm doing a bit now. It's a big TV show, sure. But actually, anybody sort of in the know will tell you, they're not actually getting on behind the scenes.

And actually, that is something that the production team have had to work around. Well, really? Okay, who's not speaking? Why don't we do a thing where I name people in entertainment and you give them a mark out of ten based on how valuable they are? Okay, go on.

Yeah, okay. Tom Davis. Four and a half, five. Idris Alba. Eight? Claudia Winkelman. Eight, nine. Okay,

why is, can I just stop this little bit for a minute? Why is Caudiwin above Idrisalba? Because she is literally going like this. Okay,

and what's Idriselba doing? No, he's going like that. He's been steady for a long. Idris was a 10. Right. I think he did, he's, he's,

declined. He did the wire, arguably, the best performance from an English actor I've ever seen. Like, the string of bell in the wire

is one of greatest. Have you seen Cinderella on Amazon? No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm saying, anything for,

anything, Anything from Stringer Bell is a step down. Okay. Stringer Bell is a work of, it's genuinely one of the best performances I've ever seen from anyone. So you didn't like Luther? Why? I like Luther. I just didn't think it was going to string a bell.

Okay. So you didn't not hijack? Why? I loved hijack. I thought it was outstanding. But you think, Idriselba sort of been like that. You're basically... No, no, no.

Right. You're doing the Gordon Ramsey again here. I'm not doing it. I'm saying. I'm saying, the guy's a 10. I'm repurposing what you're saying. No, I'm saying he's string a bell, right? He's a 10.

Right. And that is the biggest accolade I could give anyone, right? And he's the things he's done. And that's not an eight. It's like, who are we talking about as tens? I don't know. You gave Claudia Wuncom and a nine. Who's a 10 to you?

Leo. Lear de Caprio. Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah? Margot Robbie, probably an 11 if there's such a thing. That's so disgusting to watch happen. No, as an actress. Yeah, I know that she did that.

Margo Robbie is, I think, almost peerless now. Do you think so? Recently, yeah. I think she's incredible. Barbie, the phenomena that it is. Incredible. Right? Wethering Heights.

Yeah. Margot Robbie is literally like going even back to the, yeah, everything she's done. Do you know something? We have done two pistaches, not pistaches. Yeah. We've entered into the world of two other podcasts. Both of them I enjoyed more than the regular podcast. We actually started talking about something.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. But Margo and Robbie is incredible. Yeah, she's incredible. I'll tell you one we should do. Yeah. Dario of the CEO.

Okay, fine. So who wants to be Bartlett? I think I could probably do Bartlett. Okay, who am I going to be? Like, because there's different areas of Bartlett. Yeah. Because, like, there's the one where he just sort of chats to people and makes them cry. Or there's one where he talks to some expert who says something.

Yeah. And then there's this one now of like this sort of almost everyone in it, isn't it? Like, it's like a genial sort of day. It's enlightenment. Yeah, okay. All of them are quite, yeah. Okay. So what do you want this to be?

Who are you? What character do you feel comfortable, betray him? My name is Jay Stromberger. Okay, well, a cool name. I'm from Guilford. Guilford? Yeah, okay. And I'm an entrepreneur.

And what are you selling? Happiness. Okay, cool. Well, I like that. Welcome. Today I am joined and, well, one of the most outstanding human beings I've ever met in my life. I met him at the Super Bowl.

I was there with my friends, Tieri Henri, Robert De Niro, and loads of other really cool famous people because that's who I hang around with now. And this gentleman was there. And he came over and he started talking to us

about what he's selling. And I think it's fair to say we all brought what you're selling that day. It was incredible. It was so enlightening. So anyway, Jay Strongberger. Welcome to the diary of C.E.N. Thanks, Stephen.

Thanks, Stephen. Sponsored by P&O Ferry. Yeah. So it's wonderful to have you here. Thank you. Thanks so much. And actually, weird, one, it's a funny thing because at the Super Bowl.

Yes. I remember turning around and saying, two beers, please, and you came over and said, Alcohol will end you. Yes. And then I said, actually, make mine a root beer. Because it's not got alcohol in,

even though until I was 15, 16, I thought we did. so what's the question so as a CEO of this thing so what are you selling that's what I'm trying to say so you're selling something that I wanted to buy and I think you're incredible by the way well we I was sitting with a friend

and we were having dinner mind blown in San Maritz and I've been there I've stayed there three times we just done a day skiing Nice, I like skiing too. And I'd spent sort of my lunch kind of trying to be across emails and stuff like that. I also eat lunch.

And at the end of the day we're sort of sat doing a bit of apra ski. When all of the best thinking is done is at the end of the day. Actually, that's one of the things that the, actually, sort of the data doesn't back that up. What? That's a, what? I don't believe it. Actually, what a lot of people don't realize is almost exclusively, people's best ideas happen. between 2.17 and 2.31am. That makes sense. That makes so much sense.

What you find is a lot of people are getting up a sort of seven or eight, going into work, and then they are devoting their least creative time to their work. And then, Stephen... Guilty of that. I'm guilty of that. Through the night, when our brains actually have conclusively been shown... Yeah.

To be at their most high... high end operational. So, Jay, why are you trying to say we should be doing? I'm saying, and the whole thing about Strom is, stop sleepwalking through your life. Oh my God. I do sleepwalk through my life. I've got to say it's...

I don't think you displayed any of Stephen Butler's characteristics at all there. It wasn't one of my best. I thought I nailed Jay Stromberg. You were great. Does Stephen Bartlett do that? Does he do that? He sometimes... Does he do that?

Does he do that? He sometimes... Does he do that? I was probably adding some to it. I thought the Thierry on Reithing was very good. Yeah, but he does sometimes, to get clicks. I think there's an element of what Stephen does, which he does very well, is to get people to view.

There's a lot of this. No, you're right. Do you know what? So I was probably over-egging that as I do. Yeah. Okay. So, oh wow, this has been fun. Really good fun.

Yeah, I mean, we've displayed none of what our podcast is. No. And what we have done is. Which is kind of what our podcast is. Yeah. What do you think about Stephen Bartlett? Because it sounds like you hate him. No, no, no, no, at all.

I don't really know too much about the guy. I see there's a... If you were asked to do his diary of a CEO? I don't think I'd be asked. If you were asked, you would be asked. It's so legit that you'd be asked. I think if I was going to be asked, I'd probably have been asked by it.

I don't know. I do you know what I find is a little bit there's a part of me that finds there's a lot of these podcasts that you watch there's a lot of sadness like in them so you sit and watch them a lot of it is sort of it feels it's there to to make people feel upset and they're trying to get the sort of saddest moments out of people's lives I'm not saying it's dire I don't listen or watch enough of it but when I have like yada you went on it and yes uh And other friends I've had who've gone on it. And it all roads lead to, like, them going, oh, yeah, I ended up crying. Yeah, I mean, he does do his research. He's very good, yeah. Whereas we don't, you know.

We don't do any research. No. I like the energy, the fresh energy. Oh, we did what went wrong, didn't we? We did a mock of that. Yeah. Not a mock. By the way, an homage.

Yeah. The amount of research they do is insane. I know. I think I'm addicted to what went on. Actually, do you know what? I think we should, we should research something and presented to each other in the next episode. Wow. that's yeah is that too big no I think that's great but it could be like a restaurant it could be

I mean going to a restaurant and eating it could be a TV show no no no we need to delve deeper a book are you going to read a book between now next time we do this podcast maybe probably not I thought about children's book not children's book I mean fucking who's listening to two adults reviewer the children oh come on maybe what we should do is ask for outside help pod at gmail.com. If you've got any suggestions for what Tom and I could present to each other

on, it won't be the next episode now because we have to get the emails have to come in. Yeah. They have to read the emails and then we have to process and then we have to choose. Probably a discussion on the next episode.

And then the episode after that it will be what we're after. It'll be a presentation. Yeah. Or even if you've got a suggestion for like a podcast we could replicate. It doesn't have to be a specific one.

It could be like, it could be for example, like we could do one off the top of our heads, right? Where you've got to talk about something you don't know anything about. Yeah. Welcome to.

to cycling with Rajiv Patel. It's me, Rajiv here with you once again this week, as we talk about how cycling doesn't have to be for the elite, can also just be for the recreation. Well, I've got to say, as an elite cyclist, and I'm sure you'll know as listeners to the podcast.

My name is Kohlm Willisdak. I am an elite cyclist and wants for 22 years. Thank you so much, Kahn, for coming to the podcast. Thank you for having me. Most of the people that listen to this are people who Want to push on to the next level, but obviously they've got you know you devoted your life to it for 22 years Yeah, we're talking about you know we are today talking to people who have got jobs They've got families quit them if you want to if you want to reach the next if you want to be an elite

Cyclist that's all you can have I'm talking elite I I wrote with Lance Armstrong I have secrets Well it's probably the less said about that the better. Am I right, Cole? I'm right, Colin what's that supposed to mean I'm just saying because obviously I was just making a light joke about me there's no joking about cycling

it's a serious sport made by serious human beings but you can have fun with it can't you know if I see somebody laughing and joking around on a bike I'll ride up to them and say hey you take it seriously god damn it and if you don't you'll pay for something

in a later life for this one yeah I mean obviously you you followed it incredibly intensely but I guess it's you know the question I want to get to the bottom of with you is if you are somebody who's just doing

it to enjoy it rather than you know not to achieve at the top level I got a question friend do you want to paddle in the shallow end or do you want to swim? I think you can probably swim in the shallow end can't you no your feet will head the bottom at the pool and you can go across the top

can you? No but if you give you're floating aren't you Gusto you will hit the bottom. What I'm saying is go where it's deep. See what you've got in you and then make a decision Life is full of curves not every road is straight now where you're going hey that's a mountain can you climb it You bet I can so if you were to um give sort of three tips uh to people listening that want to um just you know even improve against themselves I would say earn the burn right right on the fiber right so And never look back.

There are the three things I say to everybody. Never look back. Yep, yep, yep. Earn the burn. 100% that's something I've said, loads on the podcast. There is nothing quite like the feeling of that lactic acid build up.

You know it, friend. The one that I'm slightly less, was it, what was it? Ride the fibre. Ride the fibre. What does that mean? What's fibre to you? Like shredded wheat, stuff like that.

Fiber to me is the muscles. Right. that and also the fiber. Ride your muscles. Yeah, and also the fiber that's in the bike. A lot of them are made by a fibrous foam. Like carbon fiber. A fibrous foam.

Have you got a foam bike? Carbon fiber is what I was meaning. Yeah, write that old carbon fiber until it don't ride no more. Great. Thank you so much, Colm. Thank you for having me. Ride safe, ride true, friends. And I should, yeah.

It was good. I thought it was good. We just blacked a little thing. I think it sounded fairly, you know. Really again, there's more structure to the Mickey take ever. I can believe you seemed of all the things we talked about in the last four years of this podcast. You seem to know more about cycling. Oh, God.

What a joy. Right, okay. Tom. Yeah. It's about that time. Mickey, Mickey, there's a card for you. What? It ain't Christmas. It ain't my birthday.

Oh, that's nice. Mickey's just got a card saying, I hope you're doing well, thinking of you. See, sometimes in life, we pick occasions over moments. Occasions over just getting in touch. It's easy just to beat off a text. Which you are to, bro. Hope you well.

Sometimes it doesn't really mean much. Truth be, picking up a card from somewhere like a car. like a card shop, I can't think of any W.H. Smiths and such. And actually writing something that means something, putting an envelope and sending it to a frame can mean a lot. When we're getting out. All of a sudden, card sales peak and everybody's writing cards. The postman's lugging down a big bag. Godda, you bugger! What I mean by this is don't wait for Christmas or a birthday. To get in touch with someone you miss. Reach out one way or another now.

think about Mickey at the start of this talk how much that meant to him be the person in a day who does something that means something to someone else that puts a smile in their face to make them think you're thinking about them why

that's a goddamn nice thing to do and that's what makes the world go around keep believing cool I mean I had I wasn't told that we had a hallmark read but thank you so much Tom Thank you so much

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