Wolf and Owl - Bedroom Feedback, Gary Neville and Sleep Routines

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Who has Romesh got beef with? Who would win at running the country between Ian Botham and Gary Neville? What’s the worst thing we’ve said post-sex?This week’s episode is full of even more embarrassing confessions - get comfortable, you’re about to be uncomfortable!Don’t forget to send your questions, confessions, pictures and videos to [e-mail] and we could be reading them out in an upcoming episode.A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters:00:00 Intro01:56 World Cup09:07 Sex vocals16:18 Sleep struggles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Wolf and Al email special. Welcome. Congratulations, because now we're in studio, we did two Eps a week. You've sent in your emails. Now it's time for the boys to read them. And what's the email address, Tom? It is Wolf Alpod ad gmail.com. Come on my guy.

So proud of you. Weird that you went for that hand. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, what do you want? Beak or jaws, feathers or fur. four feet with claws

whatever's prefer just kidding every word in his song about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog So let's do our first email, shall we? Let's do it I'm so excited about that

I don't know why I just feel like I've come into this with a very sort of like You know like What's that? I can't, there's not a word for it Like elated It's horrible

Do it again? A bit bigger I just feel so like I don't know why I've just come into it with an energy. I feel like nothing can top this feeling right now. Well, let's see if this email can.

It's sad indication of where my life is. Was your highlight of 2026? We're doing a podcast and we just ended into an email episode. And I just felt so fucking good about life. Let's see how you get on. Hey, I've been listening to the show for a short while whilst walking to keep my steps up. Great thing to do. That's good.

What's your step situation currently? At least 12,000 a day. Are you managing that? I reckon I'm doing two, two, three, what, no, mate, I've watched the play.

In the play, at least you're doing five, I didn't think about that. Yeah, you're doing five, six hours and a play.

And I'm going up and down the stairs. Yeah. Holy shit. You're easily doing it. It's great, especially on the cold days though random strangers

do wonder what I'm laughing at as they walk by. Tell them, we need more listeners. Absolutely. They can't see, I wish people would just go. Yeah.

They can't see the earbuzz under the winter hats. Oh, okay, go. Anyhow, this is just a quick question regarding the World Cup football whether you guys together or individually

will be doing any podcast you related stuff for it even if it's just Trump impressions I should have added I was wondering if you do a comics get together and maybe run an alternative commentary surely there's some comedic gems hiding in that look forward to hearing back

that's from Sunil what do you think? Oh that's not really that positive response No no it's good You're feeling like this no no I'm just you know what it's sparked it sparks sang in me a little

I weirdly did a show years ago called comedians watching football, which is like a goggle- I remember that show. Yeah, I never did that. Who did you do it with? Joe Wilkinson. Oh, that's nice. Which is fun.

We didn't often talk about football. We usually just chat about any other crap. It's a weird one, isn't it? Because I do think there is probably something in sort of, but I think as comedians, you're just going to chat about anything apart from the football. I think it's like... I don't think people will mind that.

No, no. I sometimes listen to the conversation. by the way and sort of think I wonder what so-and-so's had for lunch I'd rather like hear what Gary never I don't really like it when if the game's a bit slow and they start to go into like he had a bit of a nightmare journey in didn't you or whatever you know I like all that I'd rather that than you know when they try and do it and they try to set sex the game up and it's a boring game and they try to I think they jump into every moment going oh wow this really feels like it's picking up yeah as a goalkeeper sort of does an overall I'm friends

instead of an underarm one. I think there's an argument to just stay quiet for a bit. I think commentators are often... I always worry about something's happened if that happens. Right. If Gary Neville and whoever's quiet, I go, I'm fucking all right. I...

Do you think they eat? Super Sunday. No, Super Sunday. Do you think they, at any point? Because that's the thing me and Joe used to do. We used to do the first half, and we'd always mention, like, are we going to have burgers, second half, we're going to eat, seven of a piece or whatever. So the second half, they had to always,

for continuity, Jesus, continuity, had to always have, like, we always were eating in the second half. Right, right, right.

So I'm just like, Super Sunday's the biggest, busy, I'm just using Gary Neville because he's used it or Carragher's co-commentating. A bit angry at Gary Neville at the moment, actually.

Why? What's he done? Do you know, who you met him, by the way? Yeah, he came on League of their own. Okay. I like Gary Neville.

I do, I quite enjoy it. I'm a bit upset with him. You've got Gary Neville energy in some ways. What, that's a little compliment. Is it? How? He's great. Gary Neville's fucking, I love him for so many reasons.

Sorry, I've got nothing against Gary Neville, although I'm a bit upset with him at the moment. Yeah. But when you say something like that, it's never normally a compliment. That is a way. Okay, why do you think I've got Gary Neville energy? The way you just said it like that is very Gary Neville.

In what way, though? You've just got Gary Neville. It's hard to be specific, but if there was any footballer I was going to say, you have, you've been injected with their energy, going everywhere and you would be. Not Ian Wright or anyone like that? No, definitely.

You don't, come on. No, but I mean energy, I'm not talking about football ability. No, don't. It's sort of general vibe. You've nothing like Ian Wright. Why? Ian Wright is, because Ian Wright's crazy. In what way?

Ian Wright's more like Beckett, I think. Right, okay. And who would you be? Probably... Matthew Flaminer? No, I don't know. Probably like someone who's a bit more, Yeah, silly and sort of, probably like Jamie Vardy or someone like that.

Fucking hell. Do you know what? Shut up. Sorry, that was such a nothing, horrible thing to say. I like Jamie Barley. No, but you've got this, every now and again, the mask slips and I get an inside to, basically you think I'm some sort of bookish nerd. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And you think you're some sort of happy go lucky kind of wacky character that everybody loves. Let's just, let's just look at the booking you're making, right? You're sitting there and you're looking at what you're going to book in. With Gahoe never, you're going to get a very, specific thing. By the way, I think Gary Neville could be quite funny at times. Yeah, he can be, yeah. I'm saying with Gary Neville, you're going to get someone who I think is a sure set

like pair of hands to fucking go, right, that's the guy that's going to fucking hold this shit together, right? With someone like Jamie Vardy, you're going to pull Jamie Vardy in for silly sound bites and stuff that he's going to say that he'll get wrong or whatever. I'm not saying that as a compliment to myself. I, more than often,

like, I'd love to be people go, oh God, Tom Davis's observation on this was so intelligently thought out, but it's not people go, oh my God, that story out about shitting himself in 1998 was the funniest thing we'd heard. Yeah. It's like, that is what I'm saying. You're better at comedy than me. No.

Well, that's good. Well, that's sort of what I'm taking from this. I'm a bigger... What you're saying is I'm holding the shit together and you're saying funny stuff. That is a summary of what you've just said. No, I'm more of a fool, I think. I'm more of your... A jester? I think people would laugh at, like, at me with more than they'd laugh with you, I think.

Just don't, fuck off. Don't you think that that's... Gary Neville, by the way, I think it's generally one of my favorite things. I'm very angry about what he said about Gabriel Martinello. What's he said about Gabriel? You know when he's like, who was it? It got injured for Liverpool and then he was like trying to shove him off. Obviously he didn't realise how bad the injury was.

And then Gary Neville said, I'm surprised that some of the Liverpool fans didn't set about him. What? They should have laid into him. Oh, that's what it means. But Gary, for the most part, I think yeah. I think Gary has a good... Gary, I know you watch this. because you feel like the overlap's being threatened just think about what you say

do you think because you know Gary people are saying that it's political what's political well Gary Neville could be like a Labour he could actually be running for Labour sort of a seat in the Labour line right would you like to say that I just think at the point I think we're at a point now we probably need loads of celebrities just to start running why you and I firmly disagree on this

celebrities need to stay the fuck out of it yeah but at the moment I just think at least it makes it more fun in what way? What, I don't know, like Gavin Inica versus Ian Botham. At what? Discussing taxation? What are you talking about?

I think you have all the clever bods behind them who are just a bit quiet and then it becomes a bit more like WWE. Now I know you're just trying to wind me up. No, I'm just saying. You are. You're being a little, cheeky little bugger now. You're saying stuff to wind me up.

I just think it could be an interesting way. Okay. Who do you think would win between Ian Botham and Gavelyne? What? Like running the country. Who would... Fuck me. Who do I think would win between Gary Neville and E and both?

No, Gary Lina. Yeah, or Neville. Gary Linneke. Or Gary Leatherland and E and Boethamethon. I mean, look, it's an insane question, but I would say Gary Neville. Okay. Anyway, and answer your question, Sonal, I don't think we are going to do World Cup specific stuff, aren't we? I think we'll probably talk about it when it's on.

Who do you think it's going to win? I don't know. I always get it, like, sort of, like, mixed up in high. and say England and then really regret it. I don't know. I think, I suppose it's been held in America and it's the last waltz of Messi isn't it? So it could be it. Argentina

a good side as well. All right. Should we go to the next question? Okay, do you want me to read this one? I'd love you to, yeah. Hi, Swan, Wolf and Al. I'm a new listener and fervently trying to catch up from the start. I started listening in late 2025 and really

enjoy the cheeky brotherly love between you two. And it's refreshing to see how two adult men can discuss various topics with care and integrity. I often agree with you and the advice you give, although generally I agree more with the ours advice. Sorry, Wolf. I guess you won't call me a sweet, sweet soul if you actually read this one out. Well, that's great, isn't it?

Because so conspires, I am reading this one out. Anyway, I felt the urge to email you because in episode 43, way back in 2021, a listener emailed you about their Neighbours noisy sex. Tom then went on to say he doesn't make sounds during sex and it's not something he thinks men are required to do. Hold on, can we just stop there? Did you say that? I don't remember saying, I mean, I say a lot of shit on this.

You saying you don't think it's something men are required to do? That doesn't really sound like something you say. It doesn't say that I don't think I'd say. I don't think it's something that men are required to. Tom then went on to say, he doesn't make sounds during sex. That I believe. Yeah. And it's not something he thinks.

I'm just, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's not something he thinks men are required. I don't think I'd have used that terminology. No, anyway, carry on. And this is where I disagree with him. We don't even know if you've said it. I've had to ask my husband, we've been together 12 years,

to be more vocal, especially when he's close to climaxing. Oh, God. It helps me get him to the finish line too. Oh, God. I think it's because I'm a giver and my enjoyment is intertwined with his pleasure. Oh, fucking. What have I had to read this one? No, I'm not talking about performance grunting and fake climaxing noises.

Those would put me off, although I don't mind the odd, dirty, sexy statement. So my question is, have your wives ever asked you to be a bit more vocal during sex? And if not, would you be up for trying it to see their reaction? Also, you introduce any new tricks into your sex life. Christ almighty.

Please keep me anonymous. Oh, yeah, fucking. Yeah, as long as you're anonymous. Let's talk about what noises you make in bed, but keep me anonymous. Because I'm an elected local councillor in my area And I'd rather not be known as a naughty counsellor Love the Sea Water Turtle

Brackets Kirstama Oh, okay I mean Tom How open are you willing to be in this conversation I mean I'll be open to an extent I think it's actually more I'm a very open book

But then I sometimes have to take in consideration That I'm talking about Sure There's two people I'm talking about Yeah So in that's it Yeah, me and my wife Oh right okay

And likewise for you So there's a sense of here And there's a part of me Even just reading having this back You felt awkward No no just more Maybe I've been a bit too open In another situation

Right okay And actually maybe I should I should look at anything Okay let's not comment on what Lisa and Kat do No No and also let's talk about us as a whole Yeah You made this even more creepy a word

Than it had to be I think I do think that there's an element of um over the years i think like quietly laying there what's going on no no it's just i i i think like men for the most part i do think men sort of like feel weird about making sort of too much are you a noisy lover are you a rumpious lover i don't know i i don't know if i want to talk about this i i this is i thought i wanted to be open and as soon as you directed the light towards me. No, no, because I knew that you were doing it to me. You wanted to see what my

hand was and then you'd... I'll say you where you're hand was. Yeah. My thing about it is it's a very, and it's probably why they've asked to be anonymous. It's because it's a very open thing. And I, I think there's a certain, there's pretty certain boundaries. I will say that whenever I've talked about, and like, I think the fact of the matter is, I think, I think for a man, sometimes it's... You've really taken, put your hand firmly on the tiller for this answer, haven't you? No, what I'm doing is, I'm actually, do you know how I feel like? Who? I do now feel like a policy.

I'm like, beefy both of them in a, uh, I'm trying to sort of skirt around a very, like, delicate issue. Uh, and not, and not offend or upset anyone involved in the whole thing. Um, I do remember one of the worst, no, no, I've just remember the, one of the worst things I ever had, uh, well before I was with Catherine. I was. Smart. I think I probably have got more stupid since I've been with her. But anyway, I was with a woman. And afterwards, when I did climax, I tell me, oh, mate, that was the worst thing I've ever said post-sex.

I think that was awful. That felt, oh, God. That was just such an, oh, mate, felt like a really. I've said stuff like, oh, gosh. That? No, I remember. I remember I remember finishing having sex and then just almost immediately going, that was amazing.

Have you ever done it where you thanked someone after? It's like a real, oh thank, oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh, wow. Thank you. This is so embarrassing. I didn't think I didn't think I could be embarrassed, but I'm finding this really tricky. Yeah, do you know what?

In four years of bit, and do you know what? It actually weirdly makes, I kind of thought me and you were open enough. Yeah. This is the one email. you know what, I've always laboured under the illusion that I'm, that I'm completely open and happy to talk about anything. I think part of its lease is privacy. Okay, what I will say is this. Okay, I am going to say this, right, because I do think in the interest of the podcast,

I'm not completely silent during sex. There you go, I've said that. Yeah, I don't lie there like that. Sometimes what I would say, sometimes what I would say is I do say things in the heat of, in the heat of, in the heat of, in the heat. battle that when you come back down afterwards you sort of think that was a bit embarrassing what like?

Oh you look like two little schoolboys? A lot of it is me asking for feedback on what I'm doing. Is that nice? How are you finding that, alright? Go once more around there, sure we? Stop there, I'll keep going.

Is it better like this or like this? I'll try again. Is it better? like this or like this? Are you being true for? You've been sure. Oh, God. Anyway. Can't read this one.

Hello, Wolf and Al. I'm the Tired Tautus. I love my job. My home life is good. Nothing is particularly wrong. But I'm exhausted all the time. Not dramatic tired. Just permanently low battery.

My question is, is this adulthood? Or should I be actually doing something about it? This is an interesting. I've felt very much like this, this, the last few months. I've fallen off a little. You've been very busy though, Tom. I'm in fairness to you. I've been busy, but I've also fallen off, like, having, like, positive habits.

Right. You've not been going to the gym as much. Yeah, I've not been working out. I've not been having sort of time to start a day in a place where I've literally, I've started today in almost rushing. You know, getting grace ready for school, getting things flying out the door, going to a drop in grace off going to work. And I literally, I've found that I've become a real victim to the snooze. like a real victim of like putting the snooze button on which all of last year the snooze button was completely i literally got out of bed um 6 a.m 5. 5.30 and went and got stuck in 5 45.

Yes, sometimes 5. Yes. No no, never after 6. Okay. And then and then I got stuck in and now I'm like I literally would just put on the snooze the snooze the snooze and and that and that behavior is now I had like an impending, like across Catherine and Grace, we're all like, we're all snoozing. So like this morning, for example, like we literally just got Grace to school just in time. Right. We're running late because we all were late in bed snoozing and whatever. So I do, I do think that actually, number one, early nights are the best thing you can have. Again, let that thing of watching three or four episodes of the American office before bed.

It's creeping. So it's just, I think, getting as much around your actual. schedule and trying to look like try to sort of when you're when you're up get up get outside work out preach do something uh and um but also i find that then my diet is off and i'm eating crap i'm eating burgers three or four times a week at the yeah crazy i've gone into a place with my burgers that bad they are if you have been McDonald's or burger king more than once a week i literally and by the way i'm having them i've gone back into a place of having that as a as a fourth meal some evenings coming home from work late you're like oh let's just stop and i'll get a

bird king or five guys or whatever so it's a yeah yeah so that's made me very so you yeah should you actually be doing so none more get yourself have have some tests just to you're always worth having blood tests i think too yeah that's good idea really good advice i'd just say just getting healthy little healthy habits and pick little things bit by bit and build up a more build up a more resolute way of being. What about yourself? You're so busy at the moment. This is actually, it's a very,

it's actually very serendipitous that this email's coming when it has done because I'm struggling with sleep or I have been struggling with sleep. And I had the thing where, like, when I was, when we first had kids, I remember like being really knackard, really knackard. Theo was like quite a bad sleeper in his first year.

And it feels so weird. This is one of the things you're going to have with Grace as she gets older. It's like just then I said Theo was really difficult, bad sleeper in his first year. And it just, I got the train in with him this morning. He's going to college, right? And we're having a chat. And he's just, I just, the idea, the, the, the idea that that baby is now that bloke that was sat next on the train.

So anyway, that's. By the way, what a beautiful moment. Oh, it's lovely. I'd love to just watch that. What do you mean? I was just like, seeing you both together. Oh, yeah. And you wouldn't have known that I was there.

We had a nice chat. I mean, I would have come and said a low if I was on the train. Yeah. actually maybe I wouldn't have but then isn't it don't you run the risk of us then seeing you yeah but I'd have winked and gone oh right

like Michael Cainty then the Batman yeah yeah yeah I uh when we first had kids I just thought I was got I must catch up must catch up must catch up then eventually got to point

for oh I just this is how I operate now I'm just knackered yeah and then recently on the place I'm pretty resilient when it comes to sleep deprivation I'm not you know I'm kind of can still operate, but it's still quite maddening. And also, I think with comedy, and when you're doing podcasts and stuff like that,

I think you lose 10%. I do think you lose. If you haven't slept properly, I can feel it. I don't know if the audience can tell, but I can feel I'm not on it. I don't know if you feel like it. No, no. I don't think I've ever been on it for the last years. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly what reviews are saying. But, but, you're not joking.

But, um, anyway, so I, uh, so actually, I, what I think the answer to this is, is one of the mistakes I think people make is just thinking you live your day and then you go to bed and should be able to sleep. I think you need to prioritise sleep hygiene

which is like getting into a routine. One of the things that I've done is like I found this like it's like called sleepy tea or something. It's just a camel tea. I'll always have that in the run up to go into bed. I'll stop looking at my phone and I'll just get myself thinking about not doing anything to

you know I'll decide that I'm going to go to bed maybe about 40 minutes before I actually go to bed and then get into a routine of like and then what you're winding down. Winding down. And what you're supposed to do is that is, then what happens is if you do that for long enough, your brain starts to accept that as that's the start of us shutting down for them. Do you know what I mean?

Like you're sending the signals to yourself that it's bedtime. And then you only get into bed when you're ready to go to sleep. Like this whole thing of like getting into bed, even getting into bed to read isn't the best. I know loads of people do it, but actually what you're supposed to do is bed is, specifically for sleeping or asking for feedback during sex. Do you know what I mean? Those are only two things it should be. And then, apart from that, you're not in bed.

So I've started to do that. And it has actually started to help. But then, like, the thing that I find so confusing is, I don't know what amount of sleep I'm supposed to get. You're supposed to get eight hours, right? The other night I was absolutely fucked. Like, I was coming back from the place. And then Lisa said to me, just lay into, like,

get up whenever you get up. Like, I won't bother, you know, just, you're knackered. So it was very sweet of her. What wonderful one. Anyway, so I went to sleep about, I reckon, midnight, woke up at nine. So my guy, I've had nine hours sleep. I was fucked the whole next day.

That's the thing that I find really tricky. What must be? But what is your, like, you're, you could be running at like something like 12 hours of sleep deprivation. Do you I mean? Like, it's ridiculous. Like that one night, it's the thing like, the misconception I always had was like,

you know, when we're busy, say you're filming, right? Filming days that sort of go on, you know, not fucking playing the violin, but you're doing a 40-hour day. It's hard, man. It's harder for you than anyone. The next day you're getting up at five to do it again.

Car picks you up. I know. You get taken in and then they say, what do you want for breakfast? Five hours. You're bringing a plate, whatever you ask for. Anyway, go on. Five hours sleep.

Yeah, if you're getting that five, six nights of the week, one big night of sleep, it's not okay. But then also, I do think that's pretty much what the rest of the world's running on. So it's a luxury if you're getting. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, literally no advice from me. No, our advice would be prioritize your sleep routine.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's what I think. I think the mistake we'll make is you just go, I should be able to go to sleep now. And actually, you need to warm up to it in the way, like you're doing a workout. You get yourself, get yourself in the zone, get a little nighttime routine. Yeah, yeah.

I'm going to start doing that. I might start phoning you to say good night. That's nice. Like every evening. Maybe we'll send each other a video. That's just having a camimar tea. I might just, as I get into bed and like pull the diva up, I might just send you a little face then go,

just heading off to bed he buys. Yeah, and then what'll happen is, I'll open that. And then go, oh, bless him. Full erection immediately. Yeah. And then sneak off into the, oh, sweet. Rip the head off of it. They go back to bed.

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