Wolf and Owl - Bonus Email Episode #1

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

Following an epic response to our email callout, this week we’ve recorded a special bonus episode to answer more of your questions. We tackle… having a coffee with George Clooney, hooking up with old friends, dealing with fame and some advice on child-friendly hip hop. Thanks for all your messages - keep them coming at [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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To pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder Like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship Let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill Never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon and Owl podcast. We are doing a little... How would you describe this, Tom?

I think this is a special... I think because the feedback from the emails has been so epic, so fucking amazing, that we are now doing an extra email episode. Yeah, okay. Let's see how this goes. So I've got... Let's see how this goes.

What do you mean? It's not like you're like, yeah, let's see how this goes. So I've got... Let's see how this goes. What do you mean? It's not like you're like, yeah, let's see how this goes. No, but can I tell you why I've been like that? Because we've just recorded the other one. Yeah. And at the top of that, I went, I'm the owl, I'm a schwanger Nathan, and this is the wolf Tom. And you made me feel like such a fucking bellend

for introducing it like that. Right. So now... Listen, it's cool the way you do it all right do you want me to do it yeah go on give it a go yo guys welcome to bonus episode number one of the wolf and owl podcast featuring me the wolf tom davis and the owl roma shang and athin yeah boy okay i didn't i actually didn't mind that as much as I thought I would yeah

okay so I'm just going to whip through emails I've picked out ones that I think could be alright but there's some of them that'll be

I would say very quick and then others that are sort of maybe a bit more discursive wow threw that word out there oh by the way

just to bring it up when you were sort of throwing the big words someone got in touch saying that rampshis is a word is it? yeah let's have a look Oh, by the way, just to bring it up when you were sort of throwing the big words, someone got in touch saying that Ramptious is a word. Is it? Yeah. Let's have a look.

So, yeah. Not to take the fluff out of your belly button. I mean, they didn't email the actual thing, so they obviously… No, no, I think you felt bad because you were sort of so… No, it's not. I'm looking it up now. How are you spelling this word? Oh, maybe it's not. This guy's done me twice with the same word.

I mean, it absolutely isn't a word. Let's have a look. Go on. No, it isn't. No, it's not. It's not. So who is it that got in touch with you to say that? By the way, by the way, who is this snide? They didn't get in touch with both. Didn't email by the way by the way who is this this snide they

didn't get in touch with both didn't email the the oh no no it's one of your fucking bots who's just fucking like got in touch with me so i can make myself looking even more foolish all right first email this is from um i always always get slightly nervous that I'm going to give their name away if they want to be anonymous, but this is from Simon Rylander. Cool name. His email says, all right, lads, I've got a really good book on dreams and interpreting them. tom talking about the fact that he dreamt about us being possibly the inauguration yeah and me being lifted on top of a very tall man uh called sebastian yeah blonde dreadlocks and apparently i rode on top of his shoulders away from tom and stroked his hair and i stroked his hair um so and we were talking about the interpretation of that dream so i've got a really good book on

dreams and interpreting it's all scientifically done and everything. So I looked up Tom's dreams about you being on his shoulders. So immediately, this guy's got it wrong. He's got the dream wrong. Okay, but let's just see what he says anyway. Basically, it's a warning not to get into or join something that you're being urged to because there will be loss, either through theft or carelessness. Oh, wow. And he says probably one of those dodgy whatsapp groups now i mean what do you think of that that's pretty

deep actually isn't it it is but it's only when i read it out there that i realized that he actually he actually got the dream wrong so i don't know how much yeah he's completely dropped the bollock there aren't he yeah did you did you Did you look into what that dream might mean? No, no, I hope that the listener would get in touch and they'd have read it. That's the only response.

That's the only one. As far as I could find, yeah. Oh, man. I know. Well, yeah, I mean, Simon Rylander is actually,

he sounds like a dream expert, doesn't he? If you were watching a, if you're watching like a sort of like, you know, Goonies type film, remade at these times, it's like,

we must go and see the dream master, Simon Rylander. What name would not work in that? We must go and see the dream master, Tom Davis. I guess that wouldn't work. No, that doesn't work.

We must go and see the dream master, Kevin Carpenter. That doesn't work. Simon Rylander sounds like a dream. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. He's the only one we know who can get inside your dreams. This summer, four children haunted by the same dream

go and look for the Dreammaster. We must find Simon Rylander, the king of the dreams. I am Simon Rylander. Tom Cruise is Rylander, the king of the dreams. I am Simon Rylander. Tom Cruise is Rylander. Based on one of the voices that you did there, I know that I'm in the film. It's one of the kids. It's like an animation.

That was fucking excellent, by the way, what you just did. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you very much. Okay, next email., what you just did. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you very much. Okay. Next email. This is from Kevin Brown. Kevin Brown is never going to be a Dream Master. No offence, Kevin.

The Dream Master, Kevin Brown. The summer for children. Go in search of the Dream Master. We must go and find Kevin Brown. Hello. I'm the Dream Master, Kevin Brown. Now, what seems I'm the, hello. I'm the dream master, Kevin Brown. And now,

what seems to be the issue with your dreams there? Tom Cruise is Kevin Brown in the dream master. We've not actually had a, we've not actually had a dream like this before. You've got to have a dream if you don't have a dream.

How you gonna have a dream come true? That's a little song I like to sing Before I start analysing the dream It's like a little thing Just to sort of ease anxiety He isn't a dream master This is a trap No come in

Come in It's better if you come into the house Tell you about what the dream is about If you were scared of it You haven't seen the dream master now honestly i can explain your dream just come through here now down the stairs you'll have to go into sleep oh this is taking a weird turn okay it's been super weird um so this is from kevin brown sorry kevin i mean what we've done what we've done in your name already is pretty horrendous um morning we too made the

switch from pods to barista machine can't be asked timing but i can confirm it takes considerably longer it's far more complicated and messy but there is an unexplained satisfaction to it and i'm not convinced that george clooney actually drinks that pod stuff so what he's saying is um he does think this is from tom and i arguing about what's quicker between my pod machine and tom's beans a cup i should apologize at this point for the reason that we haven't done the coffee race is that my dishwasher broke and uh that we had to i had to do loads of washing up by hand and it was just yeah if i'm honest with you the kitchen was a shit tip so um yeah

that's why we haven't done the race so also let's be absolutely honest we weren't that devastated about not doing it because no

when it came down when it came down to it the idea of logging on to Instagram live and also I think the desire for the coffee race was thus one person got in touch

asking what type if we did it and what was the result and and a quick look at that person's profile indicated that they didn't have a lot going on it's probably not a good litmus test for for sort of general public demand and just to pick up on your last point there uh i would be fucking livid livid if i was to find out that george clooney doesn't drink like you're going back to cyberpunk and the whole keanu reeves fiasco uh that has seen me delete all of his movies from my amazon account right if george clooney is up to that same racket then shame on you george clooney i would like to go around to your house and see what you're fucking dealing with coffee wise please i just think this is back to the keanu cyberpunk thing. This is a thing where you think that every

celebrity, actor, whatever, that endorses something, uses that product. I have ethics. The other week, I got offered an advert for a very well-known bike brand, right? And they said, look, we'd like Tom to do this advert

for a very well-known bike superstore. And your ethics state that because you didn't accept this advert, you can't even mention their name on the podcast. Is that what's going on? I'm not into fucking throwing mud. Right? Okay. I said to my agent, I don't ride a bike. I have no interest in bikes.

So I will not. I will turn down this. And it was a decent amount of wedge that I could have done with. But my ethics were such right george clooney and keanu ruse have definitely got more money than me i think we can agree on that right no you mean don't just because you know that it's in a court of law i'm fucking trouncing you here right i don't know why i don't know why we'd be wasting the court's time debating this but go on right so my point is this if george clu if i was to go around george clooney's house and he's fucking kicking back and he's got his like fucking nice slippers on a pair of silk

pajamas right and he's got a barista machine there i'd be like oh hold up you're fucking you're in kiano's same as kiano mate so i'm going home like literally that's not my sweden because you and he is very convincing about how much he nights an espresso. In fairness to George Clooney, first of all, I don't hold George Clooney to the same kind of demands that you do. George Clooney, by the way, is one of my favourite people because he's so ethical and so decent. So this would be an absolute, more so than Keanu,

I'd be devastated. But what I would, I mean, first of all, the idea that you'd be devastated. You'd be devastated. Yeah. Okay, let's just play this out. So you'd go to George Clooney's house. Let's imagine that a set of circumstances occur.

We're doing a movie together. Okay, fine. So you and George Clooney. Or maybe he's the dreamcaster. He's the dreamcaster. So what's the film? So the film is Dream Master. Yeah, we've made Dream Master.

And he's the dreammaster. And what are you in this film no I've written it and I'm directing it with you but he says to me come round to my place

I want to chat to you so okay so first of all so a film that you've written and directed and let's give this some actual like context here

so you've written and directed a film something that you've not done before yeah the Dream Master you've written and directed a film and not only have you

managed to get this film away right George Clooney has agreed to star in it so that's a pretty fucking big deal he's playing Simon Rylander yeah yeah okay that you've not done before. Yeah, The Dream Master. You've enjoyed the film. And not only have you managed to get this film away, George Clooney has agreed to star in it. He's playing Simon Rylander. Yeah. Okay, so he's playing The Dream Master. So in that set of circumstances where you've managed to get this film financed,

it's going to be released in cinemas, you've managed to get George Clooney to be the star of that film, he invites you back to his house because you've got to a point where... By the way, George, if you do listen to this podcast back and you are playing the part of the dream master when i said tom cruise was the uh dream master in the advert that was just spitballing you were definitely in first person

in my mind to play the dream master okay so um so then you go to george clooney's house you walk in yeah and you go and george clinton goes what you want to drink and you say i'll have one of your espressos please and then he says i don't actually i'd have to look around for that they sent me one when i did the advert but i don't i don't know where it is to be honest really because you see you're all over our tv at the moment mate and in the cinemas where you are you're saying how amazing espresso is and it's your favorite blend of coffee i know but it's just it's just what you know how it is tom it's one i don't know how it is i was offered a advert from a massive bike brand in the uk that you probably haven't heard of but they're actually very very big and i turned it down because i don't agree with cycling you don't agree with cycling well i think you could do it in your garage on a peloton or whatever

but i think yes it's just not something i'm into so i didn't do the advert i think i mean it's just one of the you know i mean yeah tom obviously i got i they're offering decent george george george i don't know how it is mate that's the point so if you don't mind go and have a little rumble around in your loft find me an espresso machine that you're fucking always raving on about and make me a goddamn espresso please and then let's talk about how bad you've been on the first week of the dream master because you're fucking always raving on about and make me a goddamn espresso, please. And then let's talk about how bad you've been on the first week of the Dream Master. Okay. Because now I feel fucking ridiculous because when I got you on this movie,

first thing I said to the production team is, I'll make sure that we put a fucking espresso machine in George Clooney's trailer. Have you even used it? No. I mean, if anything, I've sort of... I mean, on the day of the advert, I had to drink about 65 of those.

I haven't been able to bring myself to drink a Nespresso ever since. Shame on you. And then I probably just basically just take my things, my laptop and my scripts. He's invited you back to his place and you've taken your laptop and scripts with you. Yeah, to do like a little... To give you some tips about how i see the simon right okay but yeah

that's that's that's where i stand with that okay great well that's good that's good to know but the long and the short of it is is that your machine's longer and messier than it's not messier that this this guy is this guy kevin kevin brown yeah kevin brown is clearly making a mess if you're very like safe with it and you're very like you pay it the due diligence it deserves

it's like driving a fucking it's like driving a Bentley not that I've ever driven one but you just this is great this feels great this feels like a good way to take this

go on it's like driving a Bentley that you've never driven go on carry on okay no alright no in fairness right let me put it this way right an espresso is like riding a Bentley that you've never driven go on carry on in fairness let me put it this way

an espresso is like riding a bike and a the longy which I have is like driving a car there's just a little bit more to it to make it more messy it's just you've got to pay a little bit more due diligence so it does take longer

get in touch mate get in touch and I'll do a course with you I'll take you through it but it does take longer is what they're you want, get in touch, mate. Get in touch and I'll do a course with you. I'll take you through it. But it does take longer is what they're saying. I reckon it probably takes 20 seconds longer, but it's a far fucking better feeling and you're actually accomplishing something when you have a cup of coffee. Okay.

The idea that you would have a cup of coffee feeling a sense of accomplishment that you've managed to make it fucking speaks so much about what your level of expectations are for achievement. Okay. Next email.

This is from Glenn Morey. Okay. Yeah. Great show. Really enjoyed listening to two genuine friends talking in this podcast. I have to say, I'd really admire how Tom is open enough to reach out to people. He wants to have a connection with,

but also how ROM shows him how reality could be drastically different with that I'm hoping the two of you can help me something help me with something I can't make up my mind on I'm 35 now I have a four-year-old at school and a baby on the way in March my wife is amazing and my best friend however I don't really have any mates nowadays in my 20s I was one of the guys out drinking etc but in my 30s my life was one of the guys out drinking, etc. But in my 30s, my life and work, etc., I lost touch. I've often thought about reaching out to some of them, but I'm concerned I'll come across wired for doing so.

Do you think I should bite the bullet and try to contact some? I miss the bullshit conversations and banter. There's only so much I can have with a wife. Thanks for your help in advance. What do you think, Tom? Well, you know what? The best thing I've done during lockdown is I contacted someone I hadn't spoke to for long. I didn't really fall out of them, just the sounds of time or whatever.

You know, time went on and, you know, a week becomes a month. And it was someone I was very, very close with. And he's genuinely one of my best mates. But just sort of, we sort of fell out of touch. And, you know, and get into a place where you don't sort of text, you don't call each other because you're a little bit worried,

not of rejection because that probably sounds a bit silly, but yeah, guess what Glenn's saying. And yeah, I sort of reached out before Christmas and yeah,

since then we've chatted a lot and I think actually, you know what, it's a weird thing because we talk a lot about sort of mental health and we talk a lot about that as a sort of perspective as like us guys. One of my favorite things in my relationship with Romesh, for example,

is you check in, right, your texts and your chat, and you feel that openness that you probably can't always have with your loved ones or your wife, your husband, whatever. It's important to have that exterior friendship outside with your friends. So I'd glenn yeah get in touch man drop him a text and do what do it just to one person don't do it to a load at the same time i actually had a very similar experience i got in touch with somebody that i hadn't spoken to for a while over christmas just to check in really and um yeah it was good i don't think any bad can come of it. You're not, you listen, you might be thinking you want to do it in the hope of you can sort of,

you can sort of rekindle going out and hanging out with your mates and stuff, but you don't have to say that in your first text. All you're doing is checking in with someone and having a chat with them and seeing if that comes up later on. Do you know what I mean? And, and it might be that they go, holy shit,

man, we should like get the old gang back together or whatever and let's go out and that happens if it doesn't you know

which is possible you know you just sort of think people move on and that sort of isn't opened in that way anymore you just sort of

make yourself open to sort of maybe getting to make friends in another capacity maybe like where you work or whatever you sort of

take up golf. How did, okay. Serious question. Yeah. How, how social is golf? Cause I just thought you meet up with two,

like a couple of mates and then you just go around on your own. It's good. You do. It's four hours. I've moved to an area where I didn't know anyone here where I live. I don't have, you know, I've got my friends back home.

I've got my friends within the industry, whatever. But I didn't really know anyone around here. So, yeah, started playing golf, taking up a hobby, played a bit of football. These things increase your chances of meeting new people. You can get a little hung up on thinking about people just from your past. I'm always excited to meet new people and always excited to, you know, just from your past. It's good to, I think, I'm always excited to meet new people

and always excited to, you know, that I literally, if there's one tattoo I could get across my back would be a stranger is a friend you've never met. I love that saying. Um. Whoa, what are you listening to this for? Wait, who's talking? You know you're driving a 2024 Ford Escape

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Would you have it across the shoulders in one line? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or would you have it going down like an item? No, no, no. A bit like a name on a football shirt across my back. You just sit. No, no, no. It's a bit like a name on a football shirt across my back. I cannot think of much. Sarah, put me off someone. Look at Manny Nexus.

Look at Tao on his back. He's on his own on holiday. He's come to a family hotel. Oh, fucking hell, man. Oh, God. Anyway, I hope we've helped you, mate. I hope we've helped you. Next email comes from James O'Conconnor that's a nice name it's a lovely name isn't it i love

names pardon i love names it's different names i think it's just here i don't know why they seem more prevalent today maybe it's just the air or the snow outside that i'm looking out but yeah i think i don't think it was i think it's that i think it's the fact that we're just sort of saying a lot of them because we're going for emails yeah i can't say that i don't think that's the snow it's like somebody at the beginning of a lesson when the teacher's doing the register something about names that feels like sort of got names in the air at the moment i don't know what it is i don't know if it's a sunlight or just something i ate this morning i think it's because the teacher's doing the register they're reading a lot of names.

I think that's probably what it is. Oh, gosh. Oh, shit. Okay. Wolf Owl. oh gosh oh shit um okay uh wolf owl i hope this note finds you in good spirit so here we go my point i wanted to share with you pair of formidable predators is a lot of emails are calling us predators by the way really um if you in in the context of wolf for now that's fine isn't it if you both walk past me in the street you wouldn't know who I was. However, if I walked past you two,

I would know an inordinate amount about you, even though we have never met. Now, Al Wolf, I get the concept of fame and that I know you, but you don't know me. However, my question is this. Do you not find it a bit odd that we, the general public, all know your name, your wife's names, your kids' names,

your tales of rock and roll on the mean streets of Kingston upon Thames. And so if we ever did meet, I would know all of this stuff about you before I even have my name. Knowing people know this stuff about you, do you find that a little unnerving or am I missing the point of fame?

Shine on, Crazy Diamonds. Jim. Wow. I mean, that is such a fucking Tom Davis sign-off to that email, by the way. Yeah, by the way,

like, your email was pretty insightful and deep, but your actual sign-off was fucking epic, so I salute you, sir, and shine on yourself.

Just to give you an idea of the difference between how people feel and what they say, Tom hasn't saluted. He's not even raised his hand in any way. So...

I've actually got some, I've got some nail cutters in my hands um what are you uh what are you going to town with can i tell you what's happened i'll tell you what's happened is earlier on in the previous episode we read an email about cinema and one of the points of that person writing that email was that people often, they often find toenails in the cup holders. And Tom, during that, he thought to himself, fucking hell, my toenails are

a bit out of control. I'm literally giving this like, yeah, it's been in my head, the toenail gate. Right, okay. I've got myself in a, I'm slightly a bit giggly at the moment. I'm starting to annoy myself.

Is it irritating? I like the giggly. I like the giggly one. It's like a cheeky little puppy. So that's poo. So listen, I mean, the short answer to this is, I guess that is... I don't think that's what fame is, by the way.

I think it's a different thing, what fame is. Agreed, yeah. I think fame is a completely different thing from that but then uh i think i i don't think i think that in the modern world that we live in even without being famous you can get people who share so much there's people that i went to school with who i haven't seen for 20 25 years now who will have put so much shit up on, idle bullshit up about one thing or another on Facebook, I'll know significantly more about

them than I might know about someone who's not even on Facebook. That's nothing to do with fame, that's just about how much you share and I guess the kicking of what we do is the fact that we do do that. Just as a quick one, it isn't the coolest thing in the world when you do bump into someone

who's famous and i this is speaking from experience and this is mr o'connor is do not whatever you do say something that you've read in a tweet or seen or on tv or like you know in a podcast don't make a joke about that because it always but i've done it i have done it to a number of people where i thought oh this is going to be a great in if i make a joke about something i've heard them joking about on a chat show and it will backfire backfire i mean i don't want to name names because i don't think that's fair but i yeah i've done it a couple of times where i've joked about someone that we both know was on a chat show talking about their dog. And I made a joke about the said dog.

And he was just like, what are you talking about? I was like, I saw you on Graham Norton joking about your dog. And he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, how is he? Sort of like chatting. And it was just genuinely I felt my ass just go from like 50p to 5p. It was just absolutely fine. It's difficult, isn't it?

Because I remember doing that with, you know, when you start working in comedy, you work with loads of people that are your heroes, you know, who've admired their work. And so I would be working with people who I know their stuff intimately. You know, I know all of the stuff they've done. I've sought out their stuff, you know.

And I would like occasionally, I remember once remember once and again i won't name names but like going up to a comic that i was a huge fan of and quoting yeah a bit of his back to him in the context of it sort of was slightly relevant to what was happening at the time and he looked at me like i'll tell you how the look the look what the look conveyed. I thought we were having a real conversation here. It was kind of what the look was. And actually, when I think about it now, when people, because occasionally people have done it to me, quoted something I've said back in a gag web.

And I never think bad of them for it. But I never like, you and I are very similar in this. Our past work is not something we look back on and go, oh, I'm so, I buzz are very similar in this our past work is not something we look back on and go oh I'm so I buzz when I think of that every time you finish something

all you think about is the mistakes you made in it or how you didn't get this bit right or how it could have been better or whatever so when somebody

quotes something that you've done better you just think oh fucking hell I did that so shit it took me in this industry it took me almost i reckon nearly

10 years to get my head around the fact that no one's gonna like me if i turn around and sort of like i can't remember what you said about ryan gigs in 1995 yeah oh fuck off mate you're in you're fucking absolute melt like so you know on that basis i think that the truth of the matter is is to to if you see someone you you who is you know a bit more about start your conversation as it is if you know nothing like you've never met you know you've never heard you might know their name but that's about it imagine it's a new kid at school and you're asking where they've been a little bit about themselves equally equally though i would say I wouldn't pretend you've not heard of that person.

I mean, look, it's possible you haven't heard of that. It's possible you haven't. I'm not saying that... I don't expect everyone to know who I am. But I have had a thing... Have you ever had this where I've been in a pub once and somebody came up to me

and said, my mates say that you're a comedian, but I've got absolutely no idea who you are, so I don't know why I'm talking to you. I don't know what a paper decorator recently at my own fucking house. God, what happened? He said exactly that.

Oh, yeah, the other fella here says you're famous, but I've got no fucking idea who you are. I don't watch TV. I was like, that's cool. That's fine. I'm fine with that. That's cool. He's like, yeah.

But like, I'd come down with some tap shoes on and danced around and fucking cracked some fucking jokes and sort of like, I was like, that's cool, man. And he kept on sort of, what stuff have you been in? Look, you clearly, you don't watch TV. So you haven't seen me in anything. I'm pretty distinctive. So yeah, don't, what I'm saying is don't pretend you,

don't pretend anything. Just think like, I know who you are but I'm not going to go over and this is just literally speaking from experience. This is speaking from standing backstage of something I'm about to go onto stage and do with someone and thinking this person thinks I'm

the biggest fucking loser in the world and now I've got to fucking perform with them. But we worked with each other again though, didn't we? Your first meeting. Oh, mercy on Suckray, eh, bro? The other thing I would say, but in answer to your question, because it's sort of two-part your question,

I think Tom and I are particularly open. I think that we do talk about our personal lives a lot. I do think, actually, podcasts make you reveal a lot more. When I realised this, the other podcast I do, Hip Hop Saved My Life, when we first did a live version of that, I said, has anyone got any questions? And then somebody said, how's your weight loss going?

And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? In my head, I was like, how the fuck do you know that? And then I just remembered that I had been talking about it. You just forget what you've been talking about on the podcast. Do you know in my head i was like how the fuck do you know and then i just remembered that i had been talking about it like you just forget what you've been talking about yeah yeah do you know what i mean because also especially the nature of this one is that we there's no planning to this we've just recorded for an hour and not one part of that like i came to going i'm going to talk about that and that it just whatever happens happens so you and you are at your most vulnerable when talking as such that's my bill nighy impression at the end yeah no i did uh it's i just think it was a

it's a very good impression yeah um i enjoyed it it's just i like your impressions it's the decision to switch into them you're sort of when you that's what i find the most kind of troubling about your impressions yeah but you know what i did that? It's because I felt vulnerable. I became Bill Nighy. Got you. I'm not an impressionist, by the way, but I can do a couple. But you're great at it, I've got to tell you.

Thank you. I think you're very talented. Thank you. A view for that. In that regard. Shall we do one more? Let's do one more, you know. Now, this one is kind of...

I think this question opens up a slightly bigger kind of debate, right? So, hi, Rom and Tom. This question might be more applicable to Romesh, but I think we can both talk about it. I'm a big fan of hip-hop and rap. However, I also have two kids who are now eight and six, and they're at the age where they start to remember and sing songs. Run the Jewels,

Logic, etc. aren't really suitable for their age. So the questions are, what age is it okay to play them good hip-hop and rap? And also, are there any suitable rappers who are good? Now, straight off, I will say to you, I have got on Spotify a playlist called Hip-Hop for Kids or something like that.

And it's basically a three-hour playlist of loads of hip-hop that has not got any swearing in it so i just want to throw in it's not really an answer to the question but you know killer mike yeah he follows me on instagram which i think is pretty cool are you serious how come i don't know i that is all right this is actually i dm'd him uh after that the last run of Jules' album. I think it was when I'd done Hip Hop Saved My Life after that. And I DM'd him

just saying I love him. And I didn't even know he followed me. And then recently, for some reason, I think it was during the whole Black Lives Matter thing, he put some amazing videos up and I was just looking at them.

And then I just clocked that he followed me I was like wow, when did that happen that's genuinely one of the coolest things I mean you know what, this is what I'm most proud of a little bit in my head was oh my god he follows me I'll message him because we're sort of friends now

but then I didn't I actually just went no you know what's really sad about that is that the other member of because I met Ron the Jules, we filmed with him but then I didn't. I actually just went, no. Do you know what's really sad about that? What? Is that the other member of, because I met Run the Jewels, we filmed with them ages ago, and the other member of Run the Jewels, LP,

I have, bearing in mind how hypocritical this makes me, after all of the things that I've said to you about getting in contact with the guy from Married at First Art, I've emailed LP from Run the Jules, I reckon, six consecutive times without response. Oh, mate. Really?

Wow. I really opened myself up there to you. Yeah. And I'm not even going to take the mip because I know how much he means to you. Either of them follow you, by the way. Tom, can I tell you something? You know the answer to that question.

You know the answer to that question. You know the answer to that question. It makes me laugh that he follows me, looks at my Instagram, which is... He's looked at my stories. I find it so strange what he must think, why he follows me. Yeah, I mean,

I wonder what Killer Mike makes of Tom david yeah i genuinely think sit there thinking what bizarre thing that he would go like yeah i've three or four times looked and he's like you know you can see he's looked at your stories i'm like to be honest merging success bill does sound like a rap album to be fair yeah this guy spits yeah yeah yeah maybe and at times i can look like I could be a rapper. And you put quite a lot of thirsty stuff up as well about rap and stuff. It's not thirsty.

I do a hip-hop podcast, and if I hear stuff I like. Oh, by the way, three people said to me, how cool you looked in that picture with the bandana. And I'd agree. I think you actually look pretty cool. Okay. Do you know the way you said that? What? the way you said that was like you and three mates talked about what an absolute fucking piece of shit three individual people no i mean and then you went i'm gonna do

you know i'm gonna fucking do i'm gonna i'm gonna tell him i dare you to tell him that you think you look cool in that photo no you do you look cool in that photo. No, you do. You look cool. You look cool in that picture, genuinely. Basically, I posted a picture on Instagram because I've talked about when I was a kid, I wore a bandana on this podcast and then I put the photo up because people didn't believe me. I think, I will say this, mate. I think you look,

you've been very unfair on yourself. I think you look pretty cool in that. If I was to see you at that age and I walk past, I'd go, mate, he's fucking cool yeah i've got how old are you and then and then and then and then your and then your mates would laugh and they're going yeah i know should we go kick the shit out of him and then you'd go you go absolutely let's kick the shit out of him one because he's wearing a bandana and two let's be honest none of us like ethnic minorities anyway.

How old are you in that picture? 16. Oh, you're 16? Yeah. I've got a picture of it. It's the worst picture because I was joking about it. Like how, you know, me and you joke about, you know,

being younger and how we looked and stuff. And my mum was like, has Romesh ever seen a picture of you at your granddad's wedding where you look like a chinese businessman and i was like 30 have you ever seen that picture no you gotta put it up on instagram i'll put it up on instagram it's genuinely the worst but i i'm like 13 i'm trying to look smart but i've got like a bowl haircut and it's me and my cousin in it and i i look like his dad but you know it's honestly the worst i'll put it up for you as all right and and then you'll see that i wouldn't have been that

then you'll see that where i'm coming from like this fucking this this dripping yes this fucking swag shit you see in front of you took time to process. It didn't come from birth. Just in answer to Ollie's question, do you, if and when you have kids, will you be worried about swearing around them and playing music that's swearing? I mean, do you have an idea? I think you've got to be really careful of that.

Yeah. Like, you know, I think you have to, but also I think it's a very fine line to walk, isn't it? Because you don't want to be in a position where you'll bring up a child who's not wary of anything and then they're going into sort of secondary school, which we both know is, and as silly as it sounds,

one of the toughest environments you'll ever do is like that move from like juniors or primary school into middle sorry secondary school because it's a whole fucking culture change

and you don't want someone like you know I remember like when Doggy Style or anything like that came out or like all those sort of those albums were coming out

I was obsessed with them so I was probably what 14 then I'd imagine I think yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no no 13 So I was probably, what, 14 then, I'd imagine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I reckon that's correct. Yeah, no, 13 I was when that came out. So when that came out, all me and my mates were obsessed by it. It wasn't saying that my parents went out and brought me. It was someone brought in a pirate tape of it, and it grew from there. But it wasn't um yeah so i think yeah you it's within reason i think i i find a bit uneasy when people are swearing in front of people are too young because kids pick it up you know it's yeah we're in a we're

in a weird situation because i i i've got three boys we've got three boys and We've got three boys. And I, I think it's fair to say, look, I listened to hip hop all my life and my mum and dad, probably my mum, they swore around the house. Yeah. And I swear too much now in, in every sort of everything I do,

I swear too much. I'll often be in a meeting where nobody's sworn and I'll, and I'll swear. It's sort of, you feel, you can feel the, you can feel the, like the reaction to it. Do reaction to it do you mean so i do swear too much but with the kids i sort of think well what i want to do i'm not i'm not that i guess it's just it's just trying to help them understand

the context in which in which that's okay because let's be honest swearing is great and in the right and used and used in the right way, it's brilliant. But you've just got to be... Because the other thing is, you know and I know, Tom, right? We're pretty relaxed about swearing. But when I hear a kid swear, I have a reaction. But then it's age, isn't it? It's, I think, like...

How old are this guy's kids? Sorry. Eight and six. I mean, yeah. I mean, Eight and six. I mean, yeah. Eight and six. I think once you hit double figures, the fact of the matter is, I guess what my point is,

is everything's relative to the world around them, right? So the fact of the matter is, you can try and keep everything away from them and pretend that that's not happening, but there's going to come a time where all the kids at school are going to come a time where everyone, all the kids at school are going to be swearing.

And if your kid's completely sort of naive to that world and has no idea about that world, you're sort of setting them up for a little bit of a fall. Yeah. You know, it's a difficult one, isn't it?

I try, if I'm around people's kids, I try not to swear. Like my dad never swore at home. And I remember when I was probably 11 or 12 going to work with my dad and then you know all of a sudden it's like at home it was like yeah i'm not swearing because you know you're your sister your mom i don't agree with swearing

at the house all of a sudden i went to work with him and that's all everyone did it was it was in a very sort of like masculine environment it was fuck this fuck that it was quite you know small sort of you know and going to football for the first time you're like that's all everyone does and you're like so yeah they're going to find it out

they're not going to you might as well just tell them to start swearing now start playing run the jewels start fucking start swearing now mate

I mean listen there's nothing wrong with playing the kids run the jewels that's fucking great and let me say as a friend of Killer Mike's thank you for listening

Tom do you reckon do you want to do a take out on this one and let me say as a friend of Killer Mike's thank you for listening Tom do you reckon do you want to do a take out on this one but what I want to do is I want to implore people to keep writing in the emails

they're incredible do you want to give them the email address Tom yes it is wolf out pod

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That is the email. So give us a shout at the wolfowpod at gmail.com. And if we get enough emails, we'll start doing little bonus epis, won't we? I've enjoyed this one. Yeah, me too. Thank you guys.

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