Wolf and Owl - Bonus Email Episode #13

Episode Date: May 14, 2021

We tackle… doggers and deniers, horror movies, double screening, Paddington Bear and imaginary friends. Plus our favourite ice creams and some advice on age-appropriate clothing and getting over a heartbreak. Thanks for all your messages - keep them coming at [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear is a huff, a puff and a puff and expect killings red spilling and flesh ripping impressive in it the death bringing his head spinning just kidding every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog welcome once again you know how we do tom davis romesh rangalefen on the wolf the wolf the wolf and out podcast bonus episode you haven't done the how the how you want to do your little oh wow that was good you've been practicing i have actually i just had this really weird vision right, of you at a dogging site,

sat in a tree just like, hooting like a owl. What would you do if you drove past, not so much now, but like, you know, I know you're not, I know your dogging days are behind you, but there's still something, there is still something intriguing

about a dogging site, isn't there? Do you know what I think? Yeah, you know, it's one of those things, right? As soon as it was sort of like people started talking about dogging, there were so many places. I reckon so many businesses went under where people were like turning around and going, oh, yeah, no, don't go down there. That's a dogging site.

There's loads of burger vans in lay-bys. It's really quiet now. Yeah. Word's been put around that this is sort of a place where doggers have something to eat before they go dogging. I know, but there's an argument that like a burger van near a dogging,

I mean, if you knew there was like quite a well-populated dogging site, you might think about taking your van down there, do you know what I mean? Of course you would. Yeah. After a little bout of seagulling, you sort of fancy,

quite fancy some carbs, do you know what I mean? Well, I bet you'd make an absolute killing wouldn't you and also doggers by nature are they're all covid deniers so that's the one place if you've got a small little business like a burger van they would definitely i mean there you go what you've just said there in a nutshell is why you know why you can't really trust deniers can you because it just so happens that doggers are COVID deniers because COVID denial helps them carry on with their hobby.

Do you know what I mean? And therein lies the kind of the key to all these people who fucking deny the existence of COVID, deny all the measures, because it happens to inconvenience them. Do you know what I mean? There's a guy that I know, and I've known him sort of i worked with him like on the sites for a long time and um it's becoming very hard to still be his friend because he's such a denier right do you

know he's got some attributes or quite as a person i'm sort of like you know i've known a long time we've shared holidays whatever but you know he's like he's slowly sort of like what what what what what is really really ironic right is he has spent the whole time denying covid social distancing wearing a mask and slowly but surely everyone of our friendship group is slowly socially distancing from him everyone is like it's like yeah yeah no yeah does no one even use this group anymore no one's got the heart to say there's another group which is like we all got tired of you putting up fucking articles by some fucking nut cut nutter in america yeah it's the same like the same name of the group but in brackets after it says without tinfoil you know do you know do you know the thing the thing

that annoys me the thing that annoys me about The thing that annoys me about COVID deniers, because I've had a bit of this recently, right? Where like, you know, when I told you about when I did that video, whatever, is if you're a COVID denier, okay, that's one thing. You've decided that you think that everybody else is swallowed government propaganda or whatever you want to believe. The thing that annoys me is is covid deniers who get angry and sort of take the piss or mock people who actually believe in it right who actually have have looked at the evidence and believed in it and i've had a couple of things

where people have messaged me where i did a photo of me after i took the vaccine and i was in that video and people have said to me oh you fucking you're you're propagating government propaganda i'll never engage with you again can i just say on here on the podcast if you're a covid denier who thinks that people have swallowed government propaganda and it angers you that people are taking the back please do not engage with any of my i i would i would i would love you to deselect yourself from engaging with anything i do i do not want you enjoying my comedy i do not want you watching any of my shows i do not want you listening to this podcast if you are currently listening to the wolf for now and you are an angry covid denier fuck the fuck off okay go listen to something else you fucking piece of shit anyway i just want to get off my chest because i said

because look if you're a covid denier you're a covid denier i respect people's got difference piece of shit. Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest. Because, it's only because, look, if you're a COVID denier, you're a COVID denier, I respect people's got difference of opinion. Hey, well, I,

it's just this attack, this attack on people. that's, that's, that's, that's, but that's the crux of everything, isn't it?

And you know what it is? It's like, you know, when you like watch, um, like when I watched It's a Sin, and it's like a, I thought it was,

I don't know if you watched it, I thought it was an incredible bit of television. It was, was you know and it was sort of like eye-opening to see what you know what aids was like at the time and how people dealt with that and what what the difference it was sort of like people was like someone else's problem it's not our problem do you mean you know that's that's this disease but we can't get it that's this virus we can't get it and and but that's all played out in fear that's all that the the emotion and the sort of thing you feel straight away is fear and i think that's the same thing with covid denying is if something's not true if something's fictional you can't do i mean it can't hurt you you know and look i mean i can i sadly yeah i know three people who've lost

loved ones during from covid so you're sort of like what what is what do you think genuinely that these this is just a big practical joke that's been played on a bunch of wankers i think you've hit i honestly think you've hit the nail on the head bro because it's like that thing of you you believe what is most convenient to believe or what is most comforting to believe right it's the same thing where like if you miss out on a job or you don't get something that you really wanted to go for you are more inclined to believe that there is some sort of there's a conspiracy or there's some sort of there's some sort of issue that has meant that you haven't got that job because that's the easier thing to believe

than it is that you're not that you weren't the best candidate for that for that thing right it's the same thing with this it's like what is easier to believe that there is a global pandemic that there is a disease that is so rapidly spreadable that we have to stay inside, or you believe that actually we could be living our lives normally and this is a load of bullshit. Of course, that's what you'd want to believe. Who wins?

Yeah, I know. Who wins? It's always been inside. But that's what I mean. It's like, you know when people go, well, it's government control. Do you not think the government are controlling us already? We all go to work for most of our working week we go on holiday when we're allowed to we have

to apply for passports everything we're subject to the laws of the country how much more fucking control do you think they they need we're already fucking under government control what are you talking about with the fear thing you know the fear thing this is this is where i think it's like really apt as well right it's it's like horror movies right the scariest horror movies are always the ones that could actually happen do you know what i mean yeah the ones that there's an air of like oh shit that could actually as bizarre as it sounds like saw there could be a lunatic that does something like you know so it makes that little bit someone getting stuck in you know the one where they all get stuck in a cave that one in the water with the sharks. When they all get caught.

Oh, what's it called? I know what you're talking about. Deep blue? No. Open water. Is it open water? Open water.

Yeah. Which is, I think the most terrifying of them all. Cause you just, yeah. So that, they're scarier cause it can happen. Like Freddy Krueger,

you know, you watch and sort of go, that's never going to happen. No. Well, hopefully not anyway. I don't want to, yeah, that is, I'm saying that. You would never, you know, how could he be, you know, he's never going to be wearing a fedora, is he?

If that happens. Mate, you know that a fedora can look sick and cool. I do, I do. Go back to episode one, guys. I used to love Nightmare on Elm Street, but the reason i loved it is because i didn't find it that scary and it made you feel hard in front of your mates that you didn't find it scary i mean do you mean like like watching horror films as a kid was a bit like being able to handle your booze yeah i mean as an adult i was terrible at it the only thing i never found i used to think freddy

krueger was really fucking well dressed that's. That's the one thing I'd say. He's so dapper. Yeah, the stripes. Like, yeah, stripes, fedora, nice pair of tight, like, sort of like well-cut trousers. The trousers looked like they were a bit minging, though, didn't they? Yeah, they didn't look like, yeah, they could have done with a bob squash, but, do you know what I mean?

It's like, you know, I think he looked, I think he had a nice way about him. Like, you know the film Exorcist? Do I know the film Exorcist? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I went to... He just asked me if I know the film Exorcist. Just a bit.

Anyway, go on. You ate it for breakfast one morning. I remember going out this... Or sort of wanting to go out and sort of seeing this girl and she invited me around to her house when I was about... Must have been at 13 or 14, I think hello and uh yeah boy and um and i was really like head over

heels for for a really you know and she was like oh we've got um i've got a copy like a pirate copy of exorcist like should we watch it yeah my mom and dad are sort of like you know downstairs we watch this i'm like oh yeah cool cool that's you know yeah great i'm i'm in my pants i'm literally like yeah i mean i'm gonna feel like the film starts or went as a film yeah i knew as soon as the horror was mentioned i was still like really into like sort of like yeah i had i had the digits when i was watching like ninja turtles remember the really dark first one when they were open so yeah um and i was like but i really like this girl and and it's sort of the same thing now as if you're trying to handle your liquor right yeah so she um she puts it on and we're both sort of

sitting on a bed watching it and uh she went let's turn out the lights to make it more scary and i'm like we don't have to do that like we don't you don't have to do that she was like i'll be sorry so she turns off the lights and we sit there with the glow of this you know you know those massive old tvs back in the day i was genuinely hoping that the fucking video broke or something and um it starts and it's yeah all right so i closed my eyes like just later my eyes sort of closed like that and um every time she talked to me i sort of opened them quickly and like talked to her back but i couldn't watch it but actually what was even worse was the sound of it the horror movies the sound of them's almost like the visuals because it's imagination this is yeah i didn't sleep honestly for about two weeks after that it's mad it's mad it's like you know my mom stopped me from seeing

her it was like a sort of culture oh really you're not going around there again like she my mom was really close to going but she was like i'm gonna go around to talk to her parents you've not so you've been having nightmares for two weeks can you imagine your mom going around to the girl that you fancy most in the world, knocking on her door going, well, my son came round there and he's shitting in his pants every night. He's terrified. He wet the bed last night. How do you feel about that?

I'd appreciate if you don't tell people at school. But he pissed his pants in bed. What did I say? We appreciate you. I mean literally you. I don't want you to have the other parents or tell you are the kids because i realize this is hysterical considering my son's 13 and six foot three i'm really bad though man because you know like because i you know the jump scare horror

films like scream started like was that resurgence generally like and then loads of films came out like that where it's like loads of yeah it's that thing of like when you're sitting in a cinema or even when you've got the tv up at home watching it when it goes super quiet you know that something is about to go off right and it's that anticipation i just get on high alert but i love it i find it addictive like lisa finds it unbearable to go to the cinema with me to watch those we'll have to do it one day the four of us what do you get i know katherine won't get katherine's literally oh really i just i just physically jump and scream and stuff in the cinema lisa finds it really embarrassing but what's lisa like with like so katherine will katherine can watch the opening four minutes of a five minute i mean five minutes

is a push and go i don't really like this film we watched pacific have you seen um palm springs yet no oh man is that the Adam Sandberg Andy Sandberg Sandberg it's incredible man it's so good it's such a brilliant film yeah well I thought so yeah we

we put it on last night and I said this film's brilliant it's incredible it's honestly it's such a brilliant it's an amazing piece of work

it's well written it's just a yeah and and she just honestly watched for about five minutes and went you liking this I went yeah it's brilliant and then she just went well and then just honestly watched for about five minutes and went, you liking this? I went, yeah, it's brilliant.

And then she just went, well, and then just looks at her phone for, you know, every now and again looks up when something, and I genuinely, as a writer and an actor, I was sitting there watching it in absolute awe, thinking this is a brilliant concept. Yeah, but the problem is, mate, is that like, you know, you're the same as me.

When we find a comedy we really like, right, you take it to your heart and you talk about it to people like you made it, right, because you're so excited about it. So then I'll put something in, at least when I just don't have the same taste for stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? She doesn't like anything. You know, she takes – oh, here we go.

What's going on? Do you want to take – is it business? I know these little signs you like to put across that things are going well. You're constantly getting business calls, work calls, another offer. No. Another offer. We're talking about films. It just pings up.

Oh, coincidentally. I think that might be the confirmation I'm in Palm Springs too. Search for Sandberg. I think that might be the confirmation I'm in Palm Springs too I'll show Lisa something and like she'll just sort of look at me like I was involved in the conceptualising of this whole project do you know what I mean she'll sort of look at me like oh right yeah it's my favourite thing when you can watch a film together

like um uh we love that movie uh yeah i think there's certain stuff that you watch and yeah i mean if i'm honest with you like this is really true we've really got into home run away since i sort of last mentioned it wow we've really got into it do you know what i don't know i can't have a go at you because you know what lisa l, me and Theo have really got into? Go on. Couples come dine with me. What? You've just got into that? No, but I know, I know, I know, I know. Salutations because you can go back and watch from the beginning.

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what we do is we record more during the week and on a sunday we'll go have a bit of roast dinner yeah do the chores around the house and then yeah um we'll watch home and away it really does i think you know if the if the makers of palm springs happen to listen to the wolf for now and i imagine the roller coaster they've just been through but they're sitting there going oh my god this guy god he's really high praise really high praise for our film god it's amazing like really great comedy actor loves our film i know hold on mate you need to listen to the next bit why is that because he talks in similar terms about home and away no right home home and away is is perfect drivel that you haven't really got to concentrate on and that's what I love.

Look, what I think is this is what my medication would be for people. I think every week watch three or four things that you're going to engage with. You're going to think this is incredible, right? And then watch stuff also that is just there just to have on that you sort of engage a little bit with. When I'm making a murderer's out, I was engaged all the time with that. I was obsessed with it.

And then I realised that I'd gone into a rabbit hole where I thought I was a part of it. Did you double screen? Oh, mate, I was obsessed with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What, do you mean episode after episode? No, I mean, you know double screen

where you're looking at your phone while it's on? No, no. No, my phone, you know double screen where you're looking at your phone while it's on? No, no. No, my phone will be put down. There's two types of double screen, actually, now that you mention Making a Murder. There's the one type of double screen, which is what Catherine did when you put on Palm Springs. Then there's the other type of double screen that I sometimes do, where something interesting comes up, like a talking point comes up, and then I want to do a deep dive into it while I'm still watching the show. Do you know what I mean? So something might comes up, like a talking point comes up, and then I want to do a deep dive into it

while I'm still watching the show. Do you know what I mean? So something might come up. You pause the show then. Depends. Sometimes I sort of, it depends on how far down the rabbit hole, I can't believe I'm saying these words out loud,

but it depends how into what I'm looking at. I'm guessing then you go to the max, right? I've got to tell you, mate. Exceptionally played. Exceptionally played. Thank you. Thank you. It was, yeah,

that was my little uppercut. But yeah, man, do you know what? That's one thing I really want to do with you is watch more stuff. I genuinely actually can't wait to go to the cinema together. Well, that's good.

I'll tell you what we should think about doing and this is another yet another thing that we'll plan to do for the wolf and al that will never happen although we are definitely doing the live shows those are happening yeah they're happening but we should do like a little live watch thing where you and me oh that'd be cool with the with the wolf and al pack we sit down and all sort of watch a program or a film together we should have done that film would be good we should have done that for the line of duty finale really but um yeah yeah okay this is an email episode so we need to get into get stuck into the emails now this is a little bit of overlap from something we talked about in the last episode but um i do want to

ask you about this time this is more for you than me um hi will fowl and swan i'm sure you're aware of the recent cinematic breaking news a newly discovered 80 year old review of citizen kane has meant it's now lost its top spot on rotten tomatoes being replaced by none other than paddington 2 therefore tom is officially in the greatest film of all time which is of course one of my personal favorites if you other share paddington 2 is of course amazing we talked about it a little bit last uh ep my question is this tom what was it like working on this gem of a film and this is this is what i like about this email right this guy ben obviously only wants to know about paddington 2 and then it's gone because he feels sorry for the tragic little owl just sitting here reading this email and for rom what have your movie on the set experience has been like don't bother uh so you've got a great movie story

what movie story oh mate the story of you slapping that kid is one of the genuinely one of my favorite ever fucking stories but tom but tom i just don't i don't think they're quite on a level are they oh tom tom's tom tom have you got any great stories about your time on what's been officially rated the greatest movie of all time um yeah i have actually and after that do you want to tell your story about the impossible to obtain because it's probably not in circulation anymore german movie age of cannibals ramesh oh yeah i'd love to tell you that story where i played where i played an indian businessman and did a bud bud accent for the entire duration of my of my part yeah okay but the truth of the matter is though those films you i have better stories about those

sorts of films i've been in them but paddington 2 was genuinely an incredible thing to be involved like the size of it was just uh yeah like a mad like to turn up on the first day and and also the scenes that you're actually doing right with palinton which is essentially just a massive ball that's not even yeah yeah what is it is it a tennis ball on a stick or something so they do it with this no they do it with like a sort of sphere on a stick which is sort of the size of palinton's head okay which somehow that's something to do with like when they're doing the animation for the light and then you do it with a little person who is the same

size as Paddington so that's for your eye line and then you do it to nothing so you do it sort of like three different times it's like genuinely an incredible process there was one day where I had to stay late because I had to come in and do a scene so I could be Paddington's eye line I was like he's not even there.

But it's, yeah. Is that impossible? It's obviously not impossible. Does it make it a lot more difficult to actually do your lines? This is a really pathetic thing to admit. When I was a kid, I had an imaginary friend called Tony Walsh. And I got quite used to chatting to Tony Walsh.

What did Tony Walsh look like? Blonde hair, sort of like. He was a bit, I guess, sort of a bit like, later on, a bit like Dawson from Dawson's Creek kind of vibe. Oh, God. He was American. In the last week or so I've just realised

how big a fucking part Dawson's Creek has paid in your upbringing and zero awareness of that but now that's

two consecutive episodes here the first one you pulled it you pulled it out your ass out of basically nowhere

no connection to what was being talked about at least here there is some sort of tenuous connection no no

but at the time when Dawson's Creek um that genuine Dawson's Creek came out I was like I fucking know it's Tony Walsh when I first saw like Dawson because obviously it was years before like I was fucking Tony was in my life yeah but um yeah I mean look that's that's the thing like so thing. So when it came to talking to Paddington, I was like, boom. I sort of, I completely got the vibe. Because you're essentially talking to sort of an imaginary friend, right? Yeah.

You didn't tell people that's what you were doing, did you? No. I did walk up to Hugh Grant and Brendan Gleeson and go, guys, just so you know, like when I was a kid, I had a pretty serious imaginary friend. Just one of them coming up to you and going, God, Tom, do you know what? It's weird because some of us are finding it really difficult

to play to Paddington, but you seem to have no problems. Well, you know, I sort of channel what I used to do when I used to chat to my imaginary friend, Tony Walsh. So, sort of imagine his little Walshie. You know the embarrassing thing is like, Tony Walsh wasn't just my friend as well. He was friends with my cousins oh my god

the whole family have got it he used to live in America and he'd travel over in a flying car and even as a kid this is how little I thought of myself sometimes sometimes he used to blow me out he was my imaginary friend

you know what I mean my mum would be like you play with Tony Walsh and I would be like you play with you play with Tony Walsh and I'd be like no no no no he didn't bother coming around he's obviously got something better on

it was my imagination oh god I could have blown Tony Walsh out that's how little I thought of myself but you know it was it was genuinely like it was

yeah it was an incredible thing to be involved in. Like, you know, you sort of pinch yourself. It's a nuts thing to say, but like everything from the sort of like, you know, turning up on set. And, you know, I'm a massive film geek as Ramesh is. And I love my films and going to cinema and whatever was such a massive part of my childhood. And to actually be in a big budget film like that and yeah it felt pretty incredible like that that's where you sort of take stock of what you've done in your life it must be like you touring and you you've done

massive gigs and you know you look out and think fucking hell that this is where I've got this is you know this is from that start as a teacher to being here and I think that's you know that they're the moments I think you've just got to kind of cherish and really really enjoy okay this next email is from Jennifer Kaywood. It says, Hey, guys and Swan. Thank you so much for this podcast. I really need some tips on how...

By the way, me and you have just now been merged into guys. Swan's got her own little bit. Wow. I really need some tips on how to get over a relationship. I've recently just come out of a 12-year marriage and it's hurting. The ex has already found love again

and can't help but thinking they're both laughing at me. My sister said the best way is to get on the dating sites. I'm in the process of swiping people and judging appearances so awful. Have you two ever been heartbroken and have you got over it? Have we ever been heartbroken? Well, let me tell you something.

You are listening to two guys that could be heartbroken well let me tell you something you are you are listening to two guys that could be heartbroken over people that don't even know we exist that that is that that is the level that we're operating at okay yeah i've been genuinely heartbroken about yeah people that didn't even like do you mean that i told years later as i had a big crush on you and they were like oh my god like yeah you used to live in sun yeah you know like um the way that that some people that i've met up with later on that i've told that i had a crush on or was or was trying it on you know trying to get into a relationship with her without them being aware at all is they react in the same way as if they'd been told like maybe a zebra had taken a shine to them do you mean or you know when you like you talk about

if that you played in a football team or you played in a or you're at a certain party no one knew you were even there yeah yeah i was there with my friend tony walsh but you're 16th the number one i'd tell you that it might feel like they're laughing at you and i i get that i think that's that's a common thing that we all feel i think the truth of the matter is i think they're probably selfishly wrapped up in themselves and uh i don't think they're probably selfishly wrapped up in themselves and I don't think they're thinking about anyone else, if I'm honest with you. I think they'd be pretty callous to be laughing at you and that'd be unfortunate. I think as well that you need to take your time when it comes to going and dating

and finding someone new. I think rushing out and doing it straight away, just concentrating concentrating yourself, building that sense of you, obviously it's a really traumatic and it's a really hard thing that you've just been through. And I think if you just,

if you rush into things, you're never ever going to, you're always going to be sort of playing catch up with who you are from relationship to relationship. I don't really ever think you'll ever find that well-rounded thing until, yeah, and it sounds a really corny thing, but you make a better relationship yourself.

I think that's the sort of the core of it. I personally, I think, you know, I've got friends who've been dating online and whatever, and obviously that's a bigger thing. You know, we're talking about, you know, coming out of a pandemic where that's probably been a bigger thing. But I sort of think, I don't know, I think there's the same really, really callous about swiping over people without getting to know them because you'd straight up, you know,

and I think me and Romesh have said this many a time before, you know, I don't think there's a picture that's been ever taken of me that would have meant that it would, you know, that sort of like 3% of the people on Tinder wouldn't have swiped over. Do you know what I mean? And also me and Romesh, we're very self-deprecating,

so our bios would be like pathetic yeah trying to be funny yeah so looking looking for someone that looking for someone with similarly low

self-esteem so I think I think the truth of the matter is is concentrating yourself and not go looking for it I think it will come out in

the time it might surprise you the most and be the best friend might surprise you the most. And be the best friend to yourself you can. I would like to echo that advice. I'd support that advice 100%. One of the things I didn't read out in the email, Tom, is that our friend here is 32.

Now, look, the truth is, your ex might be in another relationship. It's not about being in a relationship. Tom's absolutely right. You've come out of a 12-year relationship, right? You've got to just fucking find out who you are at this stage. I mean, it's like, don't worry about any of that shit. Enjoy your life. There is no pressure.

You're still so young. And even if you weren't, it still wouldn't matter. Just enjoy yourself. Have fun. And you know, like she said here uh how have you gotten over heartbreak heartbreak is hard right it is really hard but it's also something is actually there's actually something positive about that it's a healing thing so you know so i would enjoy it put put whatever like whatever sad songs you want to put on you know enjoy it embrace it use it to try and help you

get on and then just don't worry about getting into another relationship it's not all about being in a relationship also i this is this this might be man this might be an insight i don't think you get over heartbreak i think it makes you stronger i genuinely think that it's a building block within your life that you you'll learn from you know like anything any sort of sort of stuff that happens that's hard and and you know you'll you'll learn a resilience from and i think like romesh is right to sort of to to own that heartbreak and just to sort of yeah i fucking know i have times when i'm sort of you know maybe sitting on the toilet or just chilling whatever and my mind will wander back to sort of feeling that way yeah and then i look at my life now and think how happy i'm i was 32 when i met my wife so do you know what i mean it's it's you know time is here time is great

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Ford.ca. Next email is from Ro. Ro Leonage. What a cool name. Wow. That's a fucking epic name. And he says, Dear Wolf, Al, and Swan. Love the pod. Good job. Like you,

Rom, I'm Sri Lankan, and I often crack up your stories growing up so I can identify and relate all the aunties and uncles in the cinema together to watch Indiana Jones. Uh, as it's set in Sri Lanka, uh, that aside,

my question and point is this. I'm slightly older than you both coming in at 48. Well, according to Tom, that is a slightly younger than me. At what point do you stop dressing like you're in your thirties? I love buying jackets, got loads of

pretty green uh so you can picture my style of attire and musical taste i have to wear a suit at work brackets teacher and try to style it out but having just turned 48 in april i've started to have these thoughts i'm too old for my look really love to hear your thoughts tom and rom as you guys always look sharp take care row you know what it is, Ro? This is what I found recently, right? Because, you know,

by the way, Romesh is looking kind of sick, drippy today. He looks good. He's really fucking brought his A game today. He looks cozy and swag. You know what I'm not happy about is that this dry, my hair drying as we...

Yeah, your hair looks incredible on Jonathan Ross the other day. Now it looks sort of a bit limp. It looks so good. It looks nice. I like the bouffant vibe. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

It looks a bit limp now, doesn't it? Yeah. Like your gels just all gone dry and you sort of fell asleep on your hand or something.

Right, go on. Listen, Ro, what I've just realised recently, and this is how me and Ramesh actually in our personal life, we chat,

me and Ramesh actually have wasted many an hour talking about this because we have the same thing as you of that addressing maybe a bit to you. But what I've realised, right, Rom, and this is something I've not talked to you about. Actually, I think it's fading in. Like, because me and you love our trainers. We love the tops like you've got on. As you know, I love a fucking top with that kind of vibe too but then adding to it something that's a bit more of its of our age do you know what i mean so the jeans or then you might you might wear a top like that but then with a more straighter

pair of trainers or shoes or whatever and then or you might wear a more outlandish pair of trainers but then everything else is a little bit more straight a little bit more of its age i think the truth of the matter though is row and i say this with all confidence and i say this is all the claim do you it really fucking kicks my vibe and it fucking crushes my peanut where when people when people criticize other people for what they're wearing for dressing too young for fucking doing this doing it usually the people are saying that are dressed in a fucking navy something, or they're dressed in a very primary color something that hasn't got any edge or hasn't got any bite to it.

And the truth of the matter is, my friend, don't let them do them, but do you. If you feel good in something, wear it. If you enjoy wearing something, if you like your trainers, or if you like your jackets, or whatever you like, do it. Life is too short to be having to feel like you've got to compromise or walk in another person's fucking, literally walk in another person's shoes.

Like, genuinely, go forth, be you, smash your vibe. Sometimes you're going to get it wrong. But that is the hierarchy and that is the fucking, that is the kick and that is the crux of walking on that high wire baby. Some people look towards the skies and see a man on a rope flying across from building to building

be that in the world of fashion my friend It's really fucking mixed up your analogies there, it went from high wire actually talks about hierarchy completely out of context and then a sort of a Spider-Man thing at the end. I totally agree with Tom, man. I think, like, you know, I've had things where,

Tom and I are both guilty of, whether guilty is the right word or not, guilty of dressing, I would say, wearing stuff that's slightly maybe flamboyant, or, you know, it's got a bit of sort of, you know, I guess patterns, all I'm thinking of is bright colors and patterns. Tom and I both wear stuff like that. And it's the sort of stuff that blokes, I am being sort of gender specific here,

blokes tend to take the piss out of more often than not. Do you know what I mean? You go down the pub, you're wearing a, I've got like some like camo glasses, right? If I go to the pub with those on, I have to clear the first hour to sort of just deal with comments about that. Are you wearing glasses? I can't see that you're wearing... It's weird.

You don't look like you're wearing glasses at all. Where's Rom? Do you know where Rom... Has anyone got any idea where Rom is? I'll have to listen to that. I wore a camo shirt this week on the Redknapp show and that was the first, yeah. Where's Tom?

Is he not here? Yeah. So that is what ends up putting you off or whatever. But like Tom said, Tom's catchphrase of do you totally applies here. If you're comfortable with it, if you feel good, I'd much rather see somebody like you

dressing a bit out there and actually making a decision about how he looks rather than people that just end up sort of falling into this fucking uniform of wearing the same shit they've been wearing for years and years

you're terrified of colours you're terrified of of anything that's even cut differently do you know what I mean so you know I would back up Tomno I would shout out as well

for women's fashion because I tell you what you look at the different levels that the ladies take the different the trousers the cuts of the trousers the different levels that the ladies take you different the trousers

the cuts of the trousers the different kind of trousers tops like if you go into a men's designer store and you look at the women's route and then look at it the men's if you're lucky it'll there'll be black navy and white and the women's it's an all array of colors in the world guys and this is gonna i'm gonna go out on this. We're not finished yet. Yeah, right. In the world, guys, remember one thing. Don't be vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is the shittest of all the ice creams.

Try and be a better flavor. What would you say is a better flavor? Mint chocolate chip, bubble gum yeah banana yeah um banana chocolate peanut butter crunchy yeah uh even strawberries are better flavor than vanilla don't be vanilla guys don't be vanilla you know how many people go up to like a gelato machine and say oh can i have vanilla please buttheads okay that's not a number oh god okay um do you know we started off quite serious on this

I thought I was actually conscious that we started quite serious on this podcast and we've got kind of we've got kind of

quite silly I think I like Ro's vibe I really hope he turns up to one of the live gigs that we're going

to do yeah let's hope so Ro if you do turn up to the live gigs mate come and see what you wear genuinely

I'll say that now shouting you out Ro shout out to Ro but also just for context he also did shout out women's fashion that much neglected area um okay this email is from uh ellie she's put brackets giraffe wow wow giving herself a name big up the giraffe Wolf, Owl and Swan Hope you've all had a great week Rom, this is mainly for you As I know how much you love a tango ice blast Tom, you'll see

This isn't mainly for me, shortly I was recently on a staycation in Dorset And came across an ice cream stall Selling Calippo slushies Slushies A few questions Now Tom, you're obviously a tango ice blast fan as well so this is applicable to you because i've talked openly about my desire to have a tango ice blast machine in my house a few questions would you try these would you stick

strictly to tango what do you think of a calippo would this come top three in a nice treat at the seaside if not what is your top three? Here we go. The giraffe has predicted your top three here. What, mine? Yeah, your top three. Okay. So she's gone. I guarantee in Tom's top three, there'll be a double cone,

flake, chocolate sauce, and nuts. It's not sort of items. It's more sort of ingredients, I guess. Yeah, they're not really ice creams. Look, Ellie, you want to shout out, yeah. Ellie, giraffe, thank you very much. I guess. Yeah, they're not really ice creams. Look, Ellie, want to shout out, Ellie Giraffe, thank you very much. I will say this though, couldn't have been more wrong when it comes to my ice cream tastes.

I'm afraid to say. So, yeah, number one. So you don't have a cone? No, I'm going to go through it now in some sort of detail. But Calippo-wise, yes, I would without a doubt try the calippo slush. If I'm honest with you, I'd love a calippo on a hot, hot day.

It's not, listen, but calippo, I have calippo because I can't have any dairy, right? But it's not, if I was able to have dairy, there's no fucking way I'd even look at a calippo. Romesh, you're a sweet, sweet kid. You're such a sweet boy. All right? I don't want to talk down to you at this point, but the truth of the matter is a Kaleppo is a nice starter or a finisher after a strong, strong ice cream.

It's a really, I think it's a real, it's a cleanser on the palate. I always find. It really hydrates you. It's beautiful. But no, a Ker on the palate i always find it really hydrates you it's beautiful but no a clip is not even getting into my top 400 of like what i'm having if i get to an ice cream van or a gelato store okay right i just want to level with that okay i don't want you getting confused yeah i'm not confused you just have to say yeah i just said Clippo's nowhere near the top three and you've gone oh you sweet sweet fucking arsehole

and basically agreed with me right just to be clear though that's what I'm saying first my first thing if I see an ice cream van

and I got that fucking taste in my mouth that I want an ice cream first thing I'm going over fucking taste in my mouth that I want an ice cream. First thing I'm going over and I'm saying is, do you do oyster shells? Sure. Now, that's... Do you know what an oyster is?

Okay, Tom. I'm vegan, okay? I'm not an alien. I know what a fucking oyster is. Ice cream oyster. Not a real oyster. Yeah, I know what it is. Yeah.

With the marshmallow in the bottom of the thing don't you know what's most insulting about that is after I've told you I've known you fucking acted like

oh no he's just making it up to sound like cool but he doesn't know what an oyster is and then to go I don't mean a real I don't mean a real oyster

oh you don't mean a real oyster when we're talking about ice cream oh that's so mad I assumed you were talking about a real oyster. Oh, you don't mean a real oyster when we're talking about ice cream? Oh, that's so mad. I assumed you were talking about a real fucking oyster. I just know you can get confused with this kind of thing sometimes. Right.

So first thing up is I'm asking for an oyster, yo. Yeah. If he hasn't got those or she hasn't got those or they haven't got them, I then say, have you got any screwballs? Screwballs was the next thing I go to. But I'm talking about screwballs have been cheaper than the last few years i you need loads of nice sauce on there you need a decent size screwball yeah right like that sort of hand cup right that sort of hand cup for everyone listening tom's held his hands at the bottom i want at least three bits of bubble

gum okay okay um and then i can walk around with the bubble gum. I have one or two bits in my mouth at any time. Okay? Right? At any time. You make it sound like you're sort of alternating them, like you're a juggler. Right.

If the said ice cream valet hasn't got any of those, I then turn to them and say, have you got any, you know, like Cornetto corn, the really nice corns. Cones, yeah. Yeah. The waffle cone you're talking about. Waffle cones.

I'm like, have you got any waffle cones? In that waffle cone, I will have usually a bit of chocolate ice cream. I'll always go with a mint chocolate chip because it's refreshing. And on top of that, I will sometimes have a little bit of rum and raisin or something that's a little bit out there, a little bit different. And then I'll probably have two flakes in it. I just don't know what Catherine goes through on a day-to-day basis. I'll then turn around to the guy if he hasn't got any of those three,

and I'll say, I'm sorry. I appreciate what you're doing in the world of ice creams, but number one, you need to get better ice creams. Number two, I'm going to find another ice cream van. And then I'll leave, walk off. So he'll go, do you really expect me to believe that if you ask for rum and raisin and mint choc chip and a waffle cone and he hasn't got it do you really expect me to believe that if you ask for rum and raisin and mint choc chip and a waffle cone and he hasn't got it you genuinely expect

me to believe that you will leave without making a purchase you really think i believe that no that's probably where i buy a killipa so to give us a killipa i'm gonna find another i'll walk down the seafront and find another ice cream van like the ice cream man now who comes around uh by me he has all of all of my favorites, so I change it up a bit. Do you know, actually, on the set of King Gary, we got an ice cream van, but we had to do it on a day that you weren't there, because you might feel jealous. That's not why you did it. You just did it because you don't give a shit about me.

No, I actually had sorbets for all the vegans, by the way, and they all said what a lovely touch that was. Okay, well, that makes it even more insulting that you did it on a day I wasn't there. Oh, my God. Okay, look, we're out of time here

wow what a joy what a joy I'm going to be honest with you I don't think look how do you think I think that episode was good I'm not that happy

with how I was on that episode to be honest with you I enjoyed you I thought you were very sweet and very kind and gentle honestly the stuff at the beginning I don't know

I feel like I was a bit what stuff at the beginning you know when we were talking about COVID denials I feel like I was a bit aggressive well yeah listen JT if you think it's aggressive cut it out I don't know. I feel like I was a bit... What stuff at the beginning? You know, when we were talking about COVID deniers, I feel like I was a bit aggressive. Well, yeah. Listen, JT, if you think it's aggressive, cut it out.

If not, I think you should play it out to some sort of sweet, sweet music. Maybe pick a tune wrong. I always pick the tunes. Can we have a lot of sort of an aggressive hip-hop tune? When I do that little rant about the about covid deniers can we put sort of anti up underneath it or something like that that'd be great wow oh you really want to fucking go for it really if i can alienate that i really want i really want them gone listen guys let me be clear if you're a denier you're a denier i'm happy to have deniers listen

it's a i'm talking about aggressive denial okay yeah yeah all right if you are currently listening to the wolf for now and you are an angry covid denier covid denier fuck the fuck off okay go and listen to something else you fucking piece of shit anyway i just want to get that off my chest i think you started that perfectly. I think it was cool. Don't beat yourself up. Go and have a Calippo. All right. Thanks, mate.

Lick a Calippo. Actually, you know what? Did we get anything else on the takeaway stuff? Still nothing. I mean, I'm hoping that we're going to get besmirched by them this weekend. Okay. Can I tell you, I'm glad you brought this up because I got a delivery last night and I bottled it.

Well, I'm going to do it this weekend. Me too. I'm not going to bottle it this weekend. Me too. I'm not going to bottle it, okay? All right. Okay, so next week, guys, on Wednesday's episode, Tom and I are giving you the wolf and owl promise of how to deal with delivery drivers. It's going to be sick.

Okay. All right. See you next time, guys. Love you. Love you, guys. Bye. Peace. Peace.

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