Wolf and Owl - Bonus Email Episode #5

Episode Date: March 5, 2021

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They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon You'll see nothing, all you hear is a huff of puff And a... Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive in it, the death bringing, it's head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song Is about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog Do you want to do a little sing song intro to this, Tom?

Yeah, I was just going to go, Yo, yo, yo, welcome to the world for now. Podcast bonus episode. Oh, yeah. We want a bonus flex. Watch we get wrecked. Come on now as we select some emails from the people out there. Come on, y'all.

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Wolf and Owl. Bonus ting. On the remix. Okay. Sexy chat from Rum Roman Tom who are like brothers come on they're two different

styles fucking loving it isn't it oh you know what I'm just going to quickly just say we're recording this straight after our

last episode I've really got I've got a case of the giggles yeah you have last by the way if you feel like

there's a disconnect between Tom and us because Tom's internet is currently being run off a fucking yeah I don't know what it's been run off it's like steam powered

today or some shit it feels like I'm Doc and you're Marty McFly and I've gone back in time and we're still trying to sort of keep in combination out of the two of us

who do you think I'd probably be Marty McFly and you'd be Doc. That would be more of the thing. I don't know, actually. In some ways, I'm quite like Doc. Yeah, I would say you're more likely... I'd say you're definitely more likely to get off with your mum than I am.

Thank you. Thank you. What a sweet thing to say. She'll be touched. She'll be really happy with it. Okay. Here we go. This is from Stuart L. Okay.

Hi, guys. Hope you're both well. I've got a serious question for you. Although this is music related, it may be suited to your other podcast. No, because we don't take emails on the other podcast. I'm also interested to hear Tom's opinion on this. Firstly, I am homosexualite.

I wouldn't say it's a thing that defines me. In fact, I'd like to say it wasn't in the top 10. Obvious hang-ups aside, I'm a huge drum and bass fan and was a semi-regular gig and rave-goer until knocking the drugs and booze on the head around three years ago. I've been listening to a lot of DMV lockdown sets on YouTube. And while I thoroughly appreciate the art and skill of the MCs in question, it's extremely disappointing to hear homophobic lyrics

still in 2021. What are your thoughts on this? Have you ever been a fan of anyone or anything but soured on it when you felt let down or disappointed? Thanks again for the podcast. Stuart. Tom. Wow.

Over to you. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, Stuart. I've never been a massive, I don't mind a bit of drum and bass. I'm quite a big country music fan now. I like a bit of country music. And yeah, sometimes I find some of the ethos that comes from some of the people in the country music scene a little wrong. It's a tough one, isn't it?

That because I suppose we talk, I think we talked about this when I did Hip Hop Saved My Life, like how, and I've heard obviously most episodes of that and the lyrics on that sort of, I suppose, you know, how much you're holding those people accountable for the sort of the views they have, the lyrics they have,

it can sort of like sully, sully those tracks and sully it a little bit, you know? I mean, that's, that's, if I'm honest with you, I guess it's,

it's, you know, it mean, if I'm honest with you, I guess it's, you know, it's part of the course. That's just why I think that Killer Mike's a G. I love Killer Mike for that. Ron, I mean, you're the musical expert. Tom, first of all, who are your country artists that you're listening to at the moment?

I love Willie Nelson. A lot. I mean, have you ever had the song, Have you ever seen Lorraine? No, I haven't. I want to know, have you ever seen... It's not actually, it's Have You Ever Seen Lorraine? But I've made it Have You Ever Seen Lorraine?

Because I just sort of think it's quite funny. How much do you like Willie Nelson, bearing in mind that you're willing to sort of bastardise his song like that? No, I mean, that's what I love about country music, is there's like eight you're willing to sort of bastardise his song like that no I mean that's what I love about country music is there's like eight songs

and they all sort of rotate around yeah Dolly Parton will sing it Willie Nelson sings it Garth Brooks

sings it yeah but I like the tone of the country music do you know what I like about country music is the fact that I just like the fact

that they're so open and honest about how they feel about feeling low and down and sort of you know I quite like that about it they're so open and honest about how they feel about feeling low and down. I quite like that about it. It makes me feel better about myself. Yeah.

And also, this is the most I've seen you elucidate about music ever, including the time when you came on to Hip Hop Saved My Life as a reported hip hop fan, when we essentially danced around the fact that you'd only really heard of Snoop and Dre. I've heard of loads of different hip hop fan when we essentially danced around the fact that you'd only really heard of Snoop and Dre. I've heard of loads of different people.

I've heard of Tupac. You know what? I just, I like what I like. You're one of those guys that you, you can be found once lockdown's over,

you'll be found in a record shop, you know, you know, talking about sort of more obscure people. I'm, you know, I'm a popularist. I like, you know, I like sort of stuff that people tell me to like. That's how I roll with my music taste. I'm still a big believer in the charts.

So I will still go, oh, yeah, what's everyone listening to? Oh, I'll follow that lead. Yeah, that makes sense. That's how I roll with stuff. It's not that makes sense. That's how I roll stuff. It's not how you roll. That's not even a decision, is it? No, but in all seriousness, Stuart, to answer your question, I cannot imagine what it's like to be listening to something

that you enjoy and have who you are slated like that. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a horrible thing. So, and, and look, you know, as Tom said, we talked about a lot on hip hop saved my life where like, I sort of think to myself, I don't know if I can listen to music where women are being spoken about like this, you know? And, and, and when I was a kid, when I was a teenager, I didn't have those issues. You know, I just listened to whatever. And I, and in my head, I just thought, well well it's entertainment and who gives a shit and uh I've slightly changed my

opinion on that now um I sort of think it is I have been a fan of stuff that I've been disappointed on but like I remember this this doesn't this isn't very this doesn't paint me in a great light but like so Ice Cube did an album called Death Certificate. And Death Certificate is an incredible record. It's an amazing album. It's one of the best hip hop albums ever, I think. But there is a track on it called Horny Little Devil that is arguably quite racist.

Do you know what I mean? And at that time, I remember being shocked about it even at that time. And the way I dealt with it as i compartmentalized it by just going this is just entertainment but it was easy for me to do that because ice cube wasn't being racist about me do you mean so um look i don't really have the truth is i don't really have an answer for that question all i would say to you is um it's it's just is, it's up to you, isn't it? It's like there's no black and white to this. I did a show about Richard Pryor.

Richard Pryor's not my favourite stand-up of all time. But there is no question that the way that Richard Pryor treated almost all of the women in his life was horrendous. And so you go, the question you've got to ask yourself is, how much are you willing to accept in terms of what that artist has done and still enjoy their art you know like that is it's a difficult question to ask but it's you know i've talked about it loads i talked about michael jackson on my last stand-up tour uh and i had michael jackson fans confront me in the street

afterwards to say that what they thought i said was bang out of order and stuff. So it's a very personal decision. So in answer to your question, yes, I have been. Go on. I'll say this actually, jump in. One of my favourite artists is Ed Sheeran and he's nice about everyone pretty much. So I'd say that Ed Sheeran's someone

that you could look at as, you know, his music's really good, different sort of styles, different genres and just a nice guy to boot so yeah unless you unless you you know unless you do find the distillation of irish culture into a catchy little stereotypical ditty offensive which i've got to be honest i do next or james bay you could listen to james bay he's pretty decent about people so yeah i mean yeah can i say actually do you know what i know tom tom's being you know tom's sort of being willfully dickish about this but what i would say no no no no i'm saying that i like to listen to look i i look i like hip-hop i like there's rap i like there's country i'm not confined by one

genre but i like pop music yeah you're not confined by genre I like a little bit of everything I know you do but where I'm saying you're being willfully dickish is that

you are not as easy you don't just go and like go you do have your own opinion do you know what I mean you like what you like oh yeah

but my opinion is I genuinely listen to Ed Sheeran and I like Ed and there's stuff that I listen to I like Springste i like ed and there's stuff that i listen i like i like springsteen but you know but with it i suppose you know it's you know it's a it's a very well constructed argument that we've both said and also i just think stew l i think as i say to a lot of

people who write in i think do, do you, bro? That's a surprise. What a surprise that he's pulled that bit of advice out his arse. Okay, next up. Hi, lads. I have a dilemma I thought you could help me out with. I've been with my girlfriend now for over three years and believe it's time for me to get down on one knee and ask that question. My dilemma is that due to all the COVID restrictions, all my ideas are a no-go.

Do you have any ideas on how I can make this occasion special in the current climate? We have an 18-month-old son, so potentially I could use him in any plans. But at the moment, I'm struggling to think of anything that would make the situation as magical as she deserves. Thanks for all the pods cheers i don't want to say i'm so he's only giving his first name but i'm still not going to say it because yeah let's not say i'm going to call you buddy i'm going to call you buddy um hey buddy that's unfortunate that's unfortunate because that is his name by coincidence but listen bro firstly i'd say this um i remember when i proposed i i put so much thought into it

that the actual anxiety of the i i genuinely went through so i i was going to do it in port i did it in portugal but i was going to do it this one place we ended up turning up to this amazing place we'd had our first holiday i thought that it'd be so romantic on these this sort of castle over looking to see you know we'd sort of you know had an amazing time there i turned up and there was a fucking like like they had this sort of like old vintage festival there it was packed full of people and my plans went out and then literally um the area in portugal was hit by these fucking floods and rain and so everything everything i tried to do it just just sort of fell back. And in the end, we went to Lisbon and then I'd hide out a boat and I got this guy to – I just went out and took all this different stuff.

And then – but the actual anxiety, look, I will tell you now, as a man, it's one of the most, like, worrying. Even, like, if that person, you've got a child with them and, you know, clearly there's a love there. The actual worry or anxiety I felt anyway of getting down on one knee and asking that question was sort of almost crippling. And I think if I could do it again,

I think I'd have stripped some of that back and made that actually just a bit more relaxed for myself. Because I think it would have, like, I think I, you know, she clearly enjoyed it. But obviously, as we know, when it comes to anxiety and everything like that, that has a bearing on your partner. So, number one, I'd say don't overthink it. You've clearly got a really strong relationship.

And, you know, by the sound ofazs and yeah yeah a great young family i'd say as well unless you feel you have to i wouldn't rush it and try and do it during this time uh during covid um because and this might just be me but i kind of think once we're out of this and hopefully that's going to be soon we try not to talk about all of the situation on this podcast because it's not really what it's about. But I think that anything, I think it would just always have a bearing of like, it will always have a moment where you're talking about proposing

and you're talking about getting, you know, that magical moment in your life. And it will always be, oh yeah, we did it during a lockdown. And I think, for me anyway, I think there's a way where you can wait and you can make it a little bit more special special sort of coming out of it, you know. Only got small amounts of time but want big amounts of flavor? Knorr has got you.

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and make it about the two of you as well. Make it, you know, coming from someone who did it as a grand gesture with loads of like bells and whistles. Sometimes I wish I'd just done it a little bit more stripped back and I've done that a little bit, a little bit more chilled just for myself and for her. Cause I'm not the best person when I'm fucking riddled with anxiety. Romesh, over to you well uh bally i am coming at it from completely the opposite uh starting

point to tom because my proposal couldn't have been more stripped back uh at all i don't think basically what happened was is i didn't plan it i knew that i was in love with lisa and then one day we're watching tv and we'd been not been together for that long but i knew that i was in love with her and so it suddenly hit me as i was watching this thing that i wanted to get that i wanted to marry her and so i just said it in the moment i didn't have a ring or anything um that's that's special, I think. It's really genuinely, I think that's... Well, there are pros and cons of that approach, right?

Like Tom said, you know, he did it a grand gesture. Now, the reason that Tom... The reason that people do that as a grand gesture is because you want to make that moment as magical as you possibly can. And it's an incredible story. Right now, Lisa has not got a story from her proposal. It's actually, I would say, almost cripplingly embarrassed. I imagine that whenever she goes, whenever she meets new people and the conversation as it sometimes starts moves on to how did they propose? as it sometimes does moves on to how did they propose she probably thinks she wishes had a story that she could make up because the reality of it was so so lackluster but what i would say

to you is this is that the great thing about you proposing to your other half is that you are saying that i want to marry you and that is that. And that is the best thing about it, right? But I've got to be honest, I do agree with Tom. It's not about the bells and whistles. It's not about that. What you've got to do is be ideas-led, right? Forget about the COVID restrictions. How would you like to do it, okay?

How would you absolutely like to do it? And if that is something that you can't do in COVID restrictions, then wait. But I would say if you're thinking that you want to do some fucking, like something where you do some mad scale thing where everything happens at the same time, there's some like stereotypical romantic thing happening, going on with organized bits and pieces. You don't have to do that.

You really don't have to do that, man. Having said all of that, I can say this freely on here because Lisa doesn't listen to this podcast, nor does anybody she knows or like. So what I would say, if you are one of her friends listening, I'm sorry to break it to you like this, but what I would say is next year I'm planning on doing it properly. Do you mean like i am going to do something like a bit more of a grand gesture thing because sometimes i do look at how yeah how we prepare and we like mate this is how we got

married i asked her basically on the sofa right we looked the next day for the next opportunity that the reception like the earliest point that we could get married right we found a spot to you've got to have the notice up haven't you for two weeks or something so we put today put the notice up the next day two weeks later we went to the registry office got married and just went to the pub down the road there's about like about 15 of us so it's a difficult one though yeah it's gone mean, this is me and you are so polar opposites. So like, so I mean, Kathy does listen to this podcast.

So, um, um, and she knows this cause we joke about it, but I wanted it to be perfect. I genuinely want that. This is the only time I'm going to do this. I want it to be amazing.

I want it to be something that's just always gonna like, she's always going to look back on as one of the most perfect, you know? So I put myself under like so much stress of like so i like i got like a like amazing car to take us down to the the docks i'd hired this boat and uh the captain of this boat was on more on edge than i was like he was genuinely like you know because i in contact, the hotel had booked him and he was like, you know, Oh,

you know, have you, have you, have you, does she know? Is it a surprise? And I was like, yeah,

yeah. And he was like, um, okay, I've got champagne. And he was sweating. I went chill out, mate.

Cause like, you know, we're in this together now. And I, but I don't want her having really any idea what this is all about. Do you know what I mean? Um, and I sort of like,

it's the first time we'd been on a boat. So she was a bit on the edge anyway it was like a lovely boat anyway every time I go to like get a drink or sort of like pop downstairs

he'd go have you done it have you done it yet and I was like you need to chill out and like what I'm thinking is we pull in the boat somewhere

because it's a bit rock choppy out here and you know you leave us to it type thing do you know what I mean because you're starting to fucking put me on even more edge than i'm under right yeah and um uh so he's like okay

all right i will um i will i will think of something i know a beautiful romantic spirit we stop in this romantic place and um uh he basically turns around and is like uh you know i'm just going to make myself scarce. I'll say something to her. So he went up and said to her, I'm just going to go meet some friends and go shopping. And I was like, it's fucking nine o'clock at night. Like, he came down and I'm like, I said, I heard what he fucking said. You know what, buy that.

And now she knows something's up type thing. He's just trying to say something else. No, no, just stick with that, right? So he leaves us to it. And we're, yeah. And then he set up the whole, no, just stick with that. Right. So he leaves us to it. And, um, we're, uh, yeah.

And then he, I said, he set up the whole, he set up all the music and I was like, you know, and all joking aside, I was like, at the time, Lego house by Ed Sheeran had become a bit of a song for us for,

for a number of reasons. I was like, I want this playing. And he was like, what about this Portuguese? It starts giving me fucking ideas of songs. I was like, look,

I've got this all planned out in my mind, you know? And, you know, then the champagne did did it so what i'm getting at is all of these things coming together it all had in my head to be perfect right and how katherine will probably remember this will be different because it felt it was perfect and i hadn't put all these things together and it was you know what i meant was the stress that i put myself under for that moment to be absolutely amazing the coming together of the champagne at the same time coming out as you know this beautiful place where the boat had stopped and do you know what I mean the music playing and all these different things is that

how's it you know what kind of moon's going to be looking down there is it going to be sunset all these fucking things right actually the only thing was and as you said Romesh is that I was asking her to spend the rest of my life with me. And then that's the thing that was, that's the biggest thing that you're doing in that. But all the other stuff, she was like, you know, for three days before that, I'm fucking just crippled with, oh God, is that going to thing?

Is it going to rain? Is it going to fucking, you know, are we going to be, is a boat going to fucking sink? Do you know what I mean? I'm thinking all these different things. And yeah, you know, I think it's great to do a grand gesture but there's something i find very sweet i generally find very romantic about just sitting there and just at that moment going actually you know what it's something as simple as sitting here watching television i know that you're the person i want to spend the rest of my life with and i think that in itself is there's no like for me there's like this fucking two

fucking months of like by the ring and going through all this thing you know it was beautiful it was lovely but i just think that that's actually quite that's a very sweet thing there of just going actually you know what i've just in my mind made this decision and i'm telling you now this is how i think it this is what i want to do and you know and that's your own story and own story. And I think that's a very special thing. Yes. Okay. Let me just put the other side of the argument to that is,

I could have made that decision because what you did was you decided that you wanted to marry Catherine or you'd love to spend the rest of your life with Catherine. And then you went to the trouble of waiting and organising a way for that to be right. What I did was like a pathetic little kid. I want marriage now. I want you to say yes now.

I can't be bothered to organise anything. I want a sofa. I want pyjamas. You say now. Are you going to marry me or not? It's pathetic. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. I think you're being harsh on yourself. I think you're being harsh on yourself. I mean, let me say as well, Catherine organised and managed the whole wedding.

That was, she was incredible when it came to that. I was done. I was so, I'm just not great. I'm not great at organising stuff as well. I'm terrible at surprises. I'm awful. I'll tell someone I've got them a surprise present before they go.

I can't just go. Mate, I'm the same. I'm the same. If I get a surprise present, I've got to organise so it arrives so close to when I've got to deliver it to the person

because otherwise I will absolutely give it away. Just by the way when you were talking about getting a song on and the the the guy sort of suggesting songs mate this is like so when when my dad passed away right we were we were sorting out the funeral and like my dad's got like my dad's one of like nine so a few of his brothers came over and they flown they're all over the world so they're flown over from australia and canada and stuff to like to to come to the funeral and on the my brother and i were trying to organize it put it together trying to look after him as much as possible my uncle he said to me he goes to me um rom i've got some uh i've got some uh some songs that really remind me of your dad and i was just wondering if you could play them during the funeral just sort of sort of

songs about you know about how how we all feel and stuff and i was like yeah okay do you want to just sort of uh play me some of them so basically what he done was he played me like these songs where he'd obviously only listened to the chorus right and sort of hadn't listened to the the verses at all because it'd be like it'd be like these r&b songs going i miss you every day and you'd be like okay cool they go the touch of your body like getting all on it like just like so my brother and I stood there like what the fuck like how do you say

to your uncle on the day of his brother's funeral just so you know this sort of makes it out like you two were fucking I just oh mate

it's fucking nuts isn't it so I hope that I mean that's so everyone knows I just want Romesh to sing Missing You by

by Puff at my funeral that's all I want I hope that advice helped my man yeah I hope that helps good luck mate good luck

good luck and let us know let us know what happens let us know the outcome yeah let us know the outcome because... And also an invite to the wedding. Why would you say that? That'd be great.

We could turn up and we're part of it now. Yeah, but what if you can't make that day? Well, we'll have to just chat over dates with him. Can I just say something? This is what will happen, right? They're going to have a wedding with the people that they love, right? Surrounded by the people they love. We turn turn up i'm just sort of hypothesizing this we turn up for about two minutes it's cool right it's fun rom and tom have turned up to the wedding and then we're just a fucking

pest at that wedding just two people it's costing them money, don't know anybody. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is how you see it, right? Because you've not, you've watched different movies and you're from a different world than I am. I see it like this. A man here who we've given advice to

is at the front of the church. He's a bit nervous, right? He's standing there, like, he's just like kicking one foot to the other. People are nodding at him, but he still can't find it. He's still on edge, right?

Church doors open. He's like, edge, right? Church door's open. He's like, oh, is this my bride? Me and you come in, matching fucking swag suits, Tom Sweeney numbers or something. He looks up, and we both nod at him in unison and smile,

like almost to say, you got this. You got this. He smiles back, and then me and you sit like sort of behind all these other ones but in front of like his friends type thing right in the middle of the church or whatever and he's just sort of like you see his shoulders just raise right and then we hear like some music and stuff we look around his beautiful brides there being walked down the aisle by his kid and he

just looks at me and you and he just mouths thank you and we both give a thumbs up can i can i tell you something have you seen wedding crashers yeah yeah yeah i love that film yeah it's a great it's a great film right the thing that's always bugged me about that film is at the end right when vince vaughn is vince vaughn who clearly has had problems committing to relationship, right? Yeah. It's himself in a situation where he's getting married to the girl. He loves Owen Wilson,

who supposedly his best mate, right? He's been pretty selfish throughout the whole film. And just come into it, turns up and makes that wedding all about him. Right. I remember watching that ending. I was fucking enraged by owen wilson's

behavior in that thing right that is exactly what you want to do to this guy's wedding yeah you do it can't be it can't be no no no don't start saying small part now right we're talking i'm i'm thinking of us just fucking being in the background supporting this game you're talking about we rock up we've bought Tom Sweeney, neither of us own a Tom Sweeney suit, by the way, but we're both buying them for this wedding. Right?

We turn up there, right? Bust our way in. Okay? Yeah. Give him the thumbs up. And then, and then when his bride,

his bride, he's been so nervous about proposing to, that he's emailed into a podcast run by two fucking morons. Right? He's so nervous that he's done that and he mouths to us thank you that's that's how you see it in your head yeah no but yeah right i mean i could i've got i've got the whole day in my head a little bit like basically outside his wife just comes running up to us and just says oh my god thank god he emailed the podcast and i'm like look this isn't about us it's about you right yeah and then we give them our gift and then we turn up at the wedding party afterwards and we stay for some drinks and you know i have a dance with his nan

and you have you know you're dancing with this kid and you know at the end of it we like we're like look we've got to go because we've got to drive back to london or our house is wrong she's dropping me at mine and then whatever we don't want to get into the sort of driving situation or we might've had, you know, might've ordered a car for the day because we're both drinking. Anyway, we'll basically go up to the lovely couple and say, look guys,

thank you. May your days be filled with treasured loveness and happiness. You know, we wish you both well. And then we, we, yeah. And then we scarper and,

you know, and yeah and yeah it's incredible to me that after in this fantasy of yours making the most of the day about us that you add to that by turning to and saying it's not about us it's about you that it says so much about you that you not only want the day to be about you but you also want to be able to claim the the humility of saying it's not about us so the whole day is centered around us we've dominated the actual service the brides come running up to us after us and then because we're humble in some way that you imagine we say it's not about us, it's about you.

So we get that as well. We get that as well. We probably have a joke and go, yeah, Robert should order the vegan meal, by the way. And that would probably be quite funny as well. But anyway, look, that's just me spitballing how the wedding might go. Yeah, sure.

If you want to declare a statement of fact as a joke, then fine. I will have ordered the vegan meal. But I hope all this helps, my friend. And I hope to see you on a sunny day. Order up for Damien. Hey, how did your doctor's appointment go, by the way? Did you ask about Rebelsis?

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Let's just set up a laptop and two mics. Next up. First of all, so this is from Kieran, who says that, first of all, just as a little aside, thinks that we should make the Mulberry Bag film. Here we go. Dear Rom and Tom, just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying the podcast. It's making work a lot easier hearing you two chat. Can I just say

by the way, I know that we always talk about how we don't like reading out. What are you doing? Seeing if I can make these pounds and pennies work in this plug. Okay. Coins famously silent, are they? Sorry. Go on. plug okay coins famously silent are they just so you know kieran i don't know what tom's gonna say i imagine it'll be something along the lines of do you but as i started to read your email he wasn't even fucking making eye contact with me just so you know i was just trying to balance those pennies on a plug why i don't know

it just felt like saying it'd be quite interesting if i did it um that's one of the things i've achieved for today okay just by the way i just want to say if you guys uh send in compliments about the podcast i just want you to know even though we feel too embarrassed to read them out we still read them and it's lovely okay um okay um i was wondering if there were any updates on tom's tooth situation i had a similar thing happened to me a couple of years ago on a golfing holiday in portugal well so far so tom davis we found a cocktail bar during happy hour which is televised in the final day of the rider cup it also happened to be the last day of a holiday and on our walk back to the hotel i tripped off a curve and was unable to react in time to protect myself half my front tooth cracked off yet there was no blood that was until the

following morning when i woke up to a blood-stained pillow and after racing to the bathroom to see the damaged cause i subsequently fainted and cut my hand open on the bathroom door whilst trying to stay upright unfortunately as covid has happened since then this is also my last trip abroad a week after returning home i visited my dentist who gave me an ill-fitting off-colour temporary replacement until he was able to supply me with a permanent crown. I was stuck with the temporary front tooth for six weeks before getting it replaced only for the dentist to not be happy with the colour of the

permanent one and sent it back for a replacement, meaning there was another two weeks before getting the actual one fitted. Thankfully now, you would never tell the difference, and a story I have to look back and laugh at. It's also the moment I realised I was not coping well mentally and what spurred me on to seek medical help. So in a weird way, I'm kind of grateful it happened.

Although it was the most expensive night out I've ever had. Okay, go for it. So tooth-wise, Kieran, you'll be glad to hear I am back to normal. I want to do a big shout-out actually to the dentist in question. He was incredible. Yeah, very sensual very caring um and yeah he's got um my tooth back to it's you know normal uh normal way but also actually during this whole thing kieran i also found out that i have other precarious teeth that need looking at um uh

if i don't act and get a visalign uh i could be in a place where my jaw sort of basically ends up like a Simpsons character. I'll have quite a domineering upper mouth. So, yeah. So, actually, I've, yeah, it happened for the right reasons, basically. And actually, I'm sorry to hear that, you know, you've been going through some other stuff, Bud, when it comes to sort of

uh i don't know i said bud then made me feel a little bit like i don't know it makes me sad that you've been going through some other stuff but you know what um as someone who's who's had those those issues and stuff that they do come to you at the weirdest of times and you know like i say when it when it comes to my tooth that happened it was kind of frustrating to walk around with uh for a while but i sort of uh you know realized that actually no one else noticed it but me i was you know that thing you know that weird thing we can get you get so sort of like indulged with your own hang-ups and so like worried about how you might look or how something you know because that's just natural but i was really really focused on it and anytime i talked to someone if every because we're

doing these zoom meetings at the moment so every time you're doing a zoom i was really conscious about closing my mouth in a certain way because i thought the tooth was hanging out like an inch below my upper mouth and no one noticed it unless i mentioned it and i'd mention it to everyone going like i'll be in really important Zoom meetings and I'd just open up by going, guys, just so everyone knows, I've had quite a sort of bad situation with my front tooth. So it's a lot longer than the other one.

And no one had noticed it. But yeah, I'd sort of raise that thing, which I find a quite interesting way that we are as humans, that we sort of, it's almost just that thing of just sort of like pushing forward your own sort of frailties just so other people know notice them and don't jump on the shower i just had this sort of morbid fear that's sort of like oh my god here he is buck teeth no one did it's just saying that yeah i mean it's a very it's a very it's a very human thing to do um what i would say is, Tom, is that you have to,

absolutely have to stop describing what your dentist did to you as sensual. Now, while you've been talking, I looked up the definition because I've been caught out a few times on this. So the definition of sensual, which is what you, if I can cast my mind back to the beginning of your dentist monologue here, you said he was very caring and very sensual. Sensual means definition relating to or involving gratification of the senses and physical, especially sexual pleasure.

Oh, shit. Really? I thought sensual was like another word for being like nice and caring and like having a decent bedside manner well it is having a nice decent bedside manner but it's as you're pegging the other person genuine i've used sensual in that way for a long time that's why i stepped in and said something because it's got to the point now where it's so high risk for me uh to pick you up on stuff because i might be wrong but a lot of things i hear i've started to let go but with with regards to sensual i absolutely i can't you know i love you too much to let you say that to other people yeah i've just had a flashback of when i finished the with

the dentist last time and went down and the receptionist asked me how it went and that's how i described it to her and and let me tell you what she thinks happened she thinks that you got your tooth replaced with a proper size tooth and then he gave you a hand job you know the worst thing about this situation is i'm now just tracking back in other times of right there's descriptive word of sensual yeah well there you go because i've also used it as you know as a word that i just like it as a word and i just thought wow fuck okay okay um do you want to give some advice to kieran or i'm just gonna sit so i think about what just happened well he was more asking for i think he was more asking for an update on you on your tooth actually but um oh so yeah yeah i mean i mean you've got more bang for your buck there. But what I would say, Kieran, is I would echo what Tom said.

I'm absolutely delighted you've got the help you needed, mate. I had a similar thing where it took a bit of an incident for me to go and get help. So I'm glad that's happened to you, mate. All right, well, look, Tom, thank you so much for doing this bonus episode. Next week, I don't even know what to tell you, Tom's internet is going to be so fucking rapid. I don't know, what date are you getting it done? Mate, I'm just going to say, guys, it's going to be so exciting next week

because me and Rom, we're going to be recording on a Saturday, but me and Rom are filming together on a Friday and a Sunday. So it's really exciting. There's going to be real you know tales and gossip from the set and sort of you know we'll actually be

together so yeah I actually imagine it'll be me sort of a little bit sort of brow beaten because of the way that Tom's been

treating me on set so I look forward to that okay thank you very much brother love you my bro and also everyone

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