Wolf and Owl - Ep 70: Burritos & Wedding Cakes

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

We’re talking…. a Wolf and Owl burrito shack, foam wedding cakes, family favouritism, having your flaws pointed out to you, disappointing male attitudes, chatty swans, advice on learning lines and bad front row decorum at gigs. Then we get serious answering your emails - this week on standing up against homophobia, a dilemma on mending a family rift and a very varied three-part question. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship, let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon You'll see nothing, all you hear is a huff ofuff a puff and expect killings red spilling and flesh ripping impressive in it the death bringing his head spinning just kidding every word in this song's about two grown men

dressed up as a bird and a dog yo oh let me take the lead yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes wolf of that wolf of that inside the oh no that's the same as i do every way i i let me try let me try to say different like i tell you what tell you what throw something at me let me try okay all yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes it's a little independent run thing, right? You are serving... What's it called? Wolf and Owl? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, it can be Wolf and Owl. Yeah, the Wolf and Owl, and it is a burrito joint. Okay, fine. Okay, I'll walk in. One, two, three, I'll walk in.

Intro. Hi, welcome to the Wolf and Owl burrito shack. Sorry, I'm going to go across the road. Oh, well, listen, totally fine if you want to do that. Because when I walk into an independent restaurant, I want the feeling of fizz in my mouth straight away. Well, listen, what I can tell you is we have got a hot pepper mix that is nothing but fizz here.

Listen, have you had a burrito before, sir? Yeah, I had one five years ago when I was travelling Mexico as a product change student. Let me tell you something. I don't want to insult Mexico. What I can tell you is you haven't had burritos until you've had a Wolf and Owl burrito. And people often say to me, is that what's in it?

And obviously, no, it's not. It's to do with actually the reason. It's a funny story about why it's called the Wolf and Owl. It's actually me and the co-owner. Sorry to be obtruse, but do you realise your flies are undone? No,

I didn't realise that. And sorry to be obtuse, but it's actually obtuse, not obtuse. You remind me a bit of the co-owner, actually. The Wolf, he's always fucking up words. Listen, if you're my customer, you should be a little bit more che listen it's not in my custom you should be a little bit more cheery with me and the back chat should be a little bit more fresh hopefully like

your herbs and vegetables here uh well listen we have got nothing but that is this going on too long do you think this this bit i mean the intro i was thinking you're like yo welcome to the wharf and our burrito bar I hope you like fiery oh god yeah I should have done it like that we got too far into the roleplay thing I enjoyed the roleplay we should say to listeners this is an unusual recording

because it is being done on a Sunday night it is presently 8.23 and yeah I've actually had my first It is presently 8.23. And, yeah, it's been a... You know, I've actually had my first big night out since Grace was born last night. You were at a wedding, right?

I was at a wedding, boy. Yeah. So talk me through it. How did it go? It was an amazing wedding. It was a beautiful, beautiful thing. It's... The party side of weddings is,

when you're not drinking, like i was genuinely about well you didn't drink last night no i'd like one other like just to sort of like toast a couple i had like a champagne a bit of bucks fizz but that was yeah i kept it chill but i was like the i think it was like me and a couple of sort of like old old ladies who were the only people who were actually there for the wedding cake. Wedding cakes are sort of a bit null and void now, aren't they? Do you think? They look right.

Wedding cakes are a visual element rather than a culinary element. Do you know this is a really good business for someone who wants to look at earning a couple of quid? I think actually a foam or even a cardboard wedding cake business or like recycled plastics or whatever and you just make what is looks like a beautiful wedding cake because honestly i'd say in the last five ten weddings i've been to no one gives a shit everyone's just smashed by the wedding cake time even the cutting cake thing there's so many different elements to a wedding no one's even going to watch like the cutting of the you know i sort of felt i felt for the groom he said he you know this is a sad time are you suggesting

that are you suggesting that they do a cutting of the cake where they cut into a foam cake no i just don't i think we get rid of the cutting of the cake i think people walk past oh that's a lovely looking cake and slowly it will just not become a thing well yeah but i don't know why that has to be replaced why does it have to be replaced with a plastic well like you say it's a nice visual it's a lot and also i really like recycled cardboard recycled plastics it's good to get them more of them out there and stuff yeah but that can they be recycled for something that's actually useful i just say rather than rather than a rather than a pretend cake that you're just going to look i'm thinking about whether now this is i've slipped up a bit by giving someone else an amazing idea can i tell you something can i lay your concerns i think you're all right really yeah i think you'd

be i think you'd be fine if anyone who is an expert in molding and shaping wants to get in touch and just like chat over sort of like this this idea i mean what could be quite nice actually is if you had like a sort of piece of the cake you cut out of it and then you it looked like a proper nice cake inside yeah it sounds a lot more complicated than just making a cake though yeah but people spend fortunes on cakes that don't get eaten i literally looked at all that cat and no but the cake does get eaten doesn't it well you know this is the awful thing as well. A lot of pressure was placed on me.

I was waiting with these ladies once the cake had been cut. Where's everyone else then? Everyone else is partying, getting smashed. You're waiting for the cake to be cut. Isn't that a great situation to be in? You know that basically a third of that cake could be yours if you play the cards right. Yeah, but the cake is so big. And if you've got sharp enough elbows with these other old bitches

you could probably get yourself hard. One of the old girls looked at me and she went Oh, it's a big old cake. We're relying on you, Tom, to get through it. I thought it was a lot of pressure to put me on. I had four bits, but I was like, after that there's only so much buttercream a big man can eat. What was the sponge?

Oh, mate, it was a beautiful sponge. Soft, delicate. It was, yeah. It was really nice. It was what, sorry? what was uh what was the sponge oh mate it's a beautiful sponge soft delicate it was yeah it was really nice it was like it was what sorry delicate but i meant delicate delicate yeah it's delicate delicate is what i meant okay i knew as soon as the word slothered out of my mouth i don't got it wrong delicate really what's funny about that is you sort of talking about how you said delicate you also used a word that isn't a word

there's no word slothered it's like a fucking it's like a fucking inception with you mate I like it I like I've said this so many times I like making up these words

but yeah it was really nice you know lovely a really nice curd and a nice jam through it

a bit of butter curd is really curd is an underrated thing I think within humanity don't turn your nose up curd I think

if anyone I know in the world should be sitting with a big jar of curd and his hands in it like Winnie the Pooh with some money it should be you

just a t-shirt and no trousers like a little boy at the beach Romesh has got his dick out again and I've been in a I've got his hand

in a jar of curd cock out under his t-shirt that's when he's his happiest a big flappy old Arsenal 1999

double winning team t-shirt Tony Adams on the front all covered in blueberry and fucking lemon curd double winning team t-shirt. Tony Adams on the front. All covered in blueberry and fucking lemon curd. I went out for Lisa's auntie's birthday today. Oh, amazing.

Surprise birthday party at this pub. And one of the things I noticed is when you're out with your other half's family, I know this is a bit of a running theme from last week because we talked about um me being inconsiderate and you also mirroring that inconsiderate behavior but um one of the things i noticed is um you can't say like everybody on this you can't say anything about you sort of being in the right in any situation do you know what i mean without before you get absolutely jumped on so and i hadn't even said anything what i said was somebody said how's the new house right and i went oh well actually um actually i was a bit stressed on the day that we moved in and the reason i was stressed is because i was being a bit unreasonable

right because i wanted everything to be right and there was some things fucking up i don't know if you remember but lisa ended up having to l Lisa ended up having to put me to bed. She sent me to bed on that day. Yeah. So I was just about to say I was quite stressed. And then somebody just jumped in. One of Lisa's family was just... I think Lisa was the one that would have been stressed

on the day that you moved in. She based on what I've heard. I thought, fucking hell. Yeah, man. But then I realised that's what that is when you go out

with the in-law that side of the family you just gotta be careful yeah but you don't no no no this is the worst thing bro this is the worst thing is that in-laws

and your laws like your fucking mum and stuff they all will stick up for like they're like they're like if I if I say anything my mum, but my mum doesn't.

My mum doesn't. Is it true? Oh, Christ, man. Like, if I say anything... My mum's on Lisa's side as well. Oh, my mum and dad, they're going at me. If I even dare

criticise anything Catherine's done. Oh, mate, that's what I mean. Sorry, yeah. If I say anything about... If I say, oh, Lisa shouldn't need...

Like, Lisa... Even if I say it as a joke, which is the only time I do say it, what are you talking about? You're lucky to have a woman named Lisa in your... Sorry, which is the only time I do say it. What are you talking about? You're lucky to have a woman named Lisa in your life. Sorry, it's the same. I agree.

There's no solace. There's no solace. But listen, I agree with everything that's being said. Yes, Lisa would have been much more stressed out in the move than me because she did a lot more of it, bless her heart. Yes, I am lucky to have Lisa in my life. But Lisa's stronger than you are you're weak yeah yes but but the point i'm trying to make is like it's not anything right

you can't compare different strengths to different strength like you can't look at like um fucking eddie hall and put him up against i don't know how to fucking uh Nicholas Lindhurst as strongmen right so Lisa's will for stress is like here and your will for stress is here so you can't have different levels so they're so out of order to you for that is your is your is your surname originally Maynard because you seem to Do you know... I don't mind... I don't mind being... I don't... I don't... Listen, I don't, I don't listen. I don't mind,

uh, people. I don't mind acknowledging that Lisa, look, Lisa does load. She's amazing. The thing that upsets me is the insinuation that I don't know that. Yeah.

I know that Lisa's amazing. I know that I'm lucky to have her in my life. So when people say that to me, I get defensive because i think what that means is you don't think i appreciate her do you mean and then that's you know then then you start and then you start getting to the you know i'm like an onion as you know tom start getting into layers there like self-conscious about the fact that i don't show lisa enough appreciation one of the things that i've discovered and i think it's like i think we when we talked about

this last week this thing that i've become conscious about is my negative reaction to have to having something pointed out to me that i know is true like my reaction to it is disgusting i mean like it's really bad and that's going to be you know when you have a lot of things that you want to work on that's my thing i've got to work on now is that if somebody points something out to me that i know to be true a fault in myself or a flaw in myself i need to go you're right and think about working on it what i don't need to do is go on the fucking ultra offensive defensive mode which is what i tend to do man it's like this is my new development point for this week my this is it literally i'm looking at a pod there's two P's in it one's called Tom one's called Ron I'm very much the same

like this we just had a lovely day out in Cambridge which was slightly marred by the fact that like even after last weekend where we had this massive sort of conversation but I've like gigged like I've played golf like I went to a wedding

my mate's wedding because katherine had another thing that she had to go to i stayed out late it's like you know that thing where you then get there and you think oh man i've dropped a real bollock like i had no like and genuinely i don't get defensive i get quite down about myself and think i'm a piece of crap when katherine points out like and rightly points out that i should be doing better and i should be a little bit more i should be a little bit more, I should be a bit more considerate about things. I don't get defensive.

I get really down. I get like, like a boy who's just like found out that for Christmas he's not getting a bike, he's getting a fucking, I don't know, a teddy bear. I just literally sat there in this restaurant and she was like, I think you've been a bit inconsiderate. You know, Thursday you gigged and then you stayed and like hung out with you've been a bit inconsiderate. Thursday you gigged and then I stayed and hung out with another comedian for a bit and then chilled.

Friday I went and played 18 holes of golf. Saturday I went out to a friend's wedding. It's like, that's shitty behavior. And I'm pretty embarrassed about it. That is shitty, man. Yeah, I'm embarrassed about it. And then she said about it and I just sat in this place and I was just like, oh my God,

I feel like an absolute piece of dung that is bad but also you know the thing that I realised as well is like it's terrible go on

I was you snake I was at this wedding yesterday I realised that how behind the times certain guys that I've grown up with

are when it comes to stuff oh man it's insane when I talk about stuff that I do with Grace and I when it comes to stuff. Oh man, it's insane when I talk about stuff that I do with Grace and I do with Catherine and how our relationship works. It's like how they look

at me in this way of absolutely, I can't believe you do that. What? Like, it's insane. Guys of our age, Ron, who are just knocked sideways by the fact that I'd be doing a night feed or all of the night you know night feeds what what were you joking do you mean it's like like the the aggression

to it the reason that i've one of the reasons i've stopped drinking it's like that they can't get their computer you know you'll have a drink i i i think that i've got i think there's a lot of things at play there personally is I think one of the things is there are some men that like, regardless of the fact that it's 2022, there are some men that don't think it's their place to be doing stuff like that, you know,

and for whatever reason, and sometimes let's be honest, like, like I have this thing where I think, I think to myself, I want to support Lisa as much as possible. We are in a traditional setup in my house, which is that I work and Lisa doesn't. You know, like that. That's so what happens? myself i want to support lisa as much as possible we are in a traditional setup in my house which

is that i work and lisa doesn't right yeah you know like that that's so what happens is by dint of that there are certain things that fall in traditional pattern of of who's responsible for what right and so you try and counter out that as much as you can and blah blah i think there are still there are people that there are different people that think men that think that men should have responsibility for more or less of that depending on what their viewpoints are the other thing that i think is a major part of it is groups of men sort of don't like to admit they do stuff like that i mean there's some sort of i think individual men are great right i think men in a group can be like really tricky to deal with because one they have a tendency to sort of say i don't

do that i don't do that you know why would i be doing that secondly they have a thing where it is still i think the done thing amongst men to slag off your other half right or to complain about them or whatever right yeah is it is it and and you talk to blokes individually and they and they work they they love their wives or some of them do more than others, to be honest. But anyway, they love their wives, right? But you get men in a group, and there's something like... Men are almost embarrassed to talk positively about their wives. It's all like, fucking had to get out, man.

Do you know what I mean? Bloody hell. It's like, you know how it can be. You know, all of that sort of shit. I used to see that in my dad's pub. Men used to talk like that all the time, and I thought that was of that sort of shit i used to see that in my dad's pub like men used to talk like that all the time and i thought that was like of that generation but actually i see it i see it with men of our age i see with men younger than us yeah you play golf and people say that you know i mean it's like i like golf just to get out of the house and just like be outside and chill

do you know what i mean i don't do it to get away from katherine i do it for my own headspace whereas you see so many guys it's just the aggression not aggression aggression's a wrong word but it's sort of like

the idea that sort of they don't want to be at home it's like exactly what you said so true I find it insane like genuinely like

and like these are people I love dearly these are friends guys that I've grown up with they're not I'm not saying they're bad people. I'm just saying that they're, and also what I think there's a slight,

there can be a slight thing of, it's like, if there's a few of you saying, oh, you know, this actually bit is so rewarding if you do this with your child or that with your child. There's people who've, I think there's a sort of element of,

I haven't done that. And instead of just going, oh, you know what? I wish I'd been a bit more like that it's easier to go oh fuck off mate you know that's a very good point and just be aggressive about it well i mean you're talking about exactly what i'm talking about which is where somebody points out something that you uh don't feel comfortable about about yourself and so you just

like you sort of bite i mean you sort of go well what would you want to do that who the fuck does that do you mean it's like, it's an interesting one. God, we've got, Jesus Christ, we are so deep, aren't we? It's a Sunday night session, baby. They're always going to be deep. That's what happens with these Sunday, listen. This is what happens with these Sunday night sessions. Tom and I kick back.

We get a little bit deeper. We get a little bit under the skin of what these issues are, you know? By the way way but before we start get before we can i i would say i have significant evidence to suggest that women behave in the same way based purely on my own i mean the number of times that one of lisa's friends has said something to me like it's a running joke and i know that that has been something that's been delivered by the swan to her group lisa's got a very good phrase as well isn't she yeah but but for example like not like

um i'll be like we'll be on the school run she'll go um i'll go how's it oh you know how's it going sarah yeah good good we've got a bit of a problem in the bathroom um like one of the one of the the rails is coming off and like a couple of the tiles are a bit loose. We're trying to get them sorted out. I'd ask you to do it, but we all know how fucking shit you are at stuff like that, aren't you? Useless bastard when it comes to things like that.

I go, sorry, what? I don't recall ever talking to you directly about stuff like this, Sarah. I wonder if this is the work of a chatty swamp that has led to this thing. And so now I'm sort of every now and again i try and prod and poke to see what is what's actually being said about me to these to these women i think that it's i think that there's the that's what i realized when you're arguing right is that they have itemized that my kathryn will have like itemized things that are not like

really really piss her off that I do. And if we're having an argument, I'll go, you know, da-da-da, and she will go through an itemised list of exactly what pisses her off and why and how and how many times I do it, right?

And if I go, well, there's things that you do that annoy me, and she goes, like what? And I just stand there and go, well, I can't think of any. that annoy me and she goes like what and I just stand there and go um well I can't think of any at the moment and there's times

when she does stuff and I'll go next time I have an argument I'll think exactly of that thing I can never do it but I mean that's part

of the problem isn't it yeah we're just rabbits caught in headlights yeah it's tough man it's tough it's tough

it's tough being married to these women that we're married to. They're incredible women, we should say. No, it's horrendous. Let's be honest. I think what we've come around to is that we're trapped. My beautiful brethren, you have a big week coming up.

Yeah, we're starting on a new sitcom for Sky. Excited? Excited. I'm quite nervous, actually. I'm going to be honest with you, I'm quite nervous. What is it, 8.40? I haven't learned the lines for tomorrow yet. Have you got a lot of lines?

I've got a fair few lines. How do you do it? How do you learn lines? Let me just tell you something, right? If you're about to give me a magic... They're in your brain anyway. You've written it. They're there.

You've got to have absolute faith that you just read them tomorrow and relax, and they'll soak in. You reckon? People put too much pressure on it. You think so? Yeah.

People are phonetically reading them over and over and over and over again. If you've written it for a start, that's the big part of it. It's in there anyway. You know what the that's the big the big part of it is in there anyway you know that what the scene's direction is you know where it's going right yeah yeah if you haven't like written a script you should you know when you get it you phonetically read it it goes in and then when it comes to the day like tomorrow it's in there anyway and then

you can just you can chill and relax was it you that told me that Anthony Hopkins apparently, was it, was it, who was it? Was it James? I don't know. Somebody on King, King Gary. I know nothing of Anthony Hopkins' trivia. Somebody on King Gary told me that Anthony Hopkins reads his lines 200 times.

Really? Out loud. And then I just thought, well, if you're doing, I mean, that's a lot of time, isn't it?

Yeah, it is. If you're in a big movie and you're a lead character, he must have been, he had loads of dialogue. Yeah. yeah so how long's the film like an hour and a half yeah 200 times well i mean you've got a write-off 10 days well at least yeah yeah i can't do that no just it's there i'm giving it half i'm giving it half an hour between half nine and ten and if it's not in then good luck just just try it 20 times i bet it'll work for you thank you thank you very much for trying that um i had a really embarrassing thing well i i just three and a half, nine and ten. And if it's not in, then good luck to the director. Just try it 20 times. I bet it'll work for you. Thank you.

Thank you very much for trying that. I had a really embarrassing thing. I just... Do you put notes on your scripts? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I work from an iPad because it's 2022. But... Well, because I worked with you on King Gary in 2021 and you didn't have any iPad with you.

You were writing on fucking paper. So I don't know why you started to, like, dick swing now. Just because on the curse we've got iPads. Yeah, no, of course you jot down. What do you mean, like jot down how you're going to do the line? Well, I had an embarrassing thing. When I did The Reluctant Landlord, I just thought you just had to learn the lines.

And then Alison Stedman, who's obviously a legend, came onto set and she had all these little notes and performance things and stuff put on a script. And then I showed her my sides, and my sides were completely clean, like little notes and performance things and stuff put on a script and then i looked showed her my sides and my sides were completely clean just like a tick where i'd remember the line and um you know i just think it was almost insulting for her to be on the same set as this no but i can put it's every every process is different you Lionel Messi is going to be completely different from Phil Bardsley, right?

And yet, they're on a level. Yeah, I get what you're saying. No, but they're both professional footballers. It's like everyone's going to have their different... You're going to have your different way of getting to where you've got to be. You've just got to rely on finding your way and just having...

Look, I reckon Alison Stedman and Anthony Hopkins would really struggle to go up and do an hour and a half stand-up special. You remember all of that. It's totally different. It's not. It's totally different. It's easier to remember lines in stand-up. Infinitely easier.

Think about trigger points. And this is the other mistake. Don't even think about your lines. It's actually easier to remember lines in stand-up. Infinitely easier. Think about trigger points. And this is the other mistake. Don't even think about your lines. Think about the line coming at you. I've got to learn their lines as well. No, no, no, because that's the trigger point, right? Oh, I see.

Yeah, yeah. Because then you've got the trigger. That's there, there. It's fresh and it's nice. Yeah, okay. All right? Thank you for your question. You've got no one when you're up there. When you're up there when you're up

there doing your your stand-up it's just you in the fucking room with a mic baby and the audience um talking about stand-up i want to talk about something slightly embarrassing that happened to me uh so i've just done two nights in douglas and the isle of man oh and um here's an interesting fact never been to the Isle of Man. Oh, well, it's lovely. Very nice. Went to a nice vegan cafe, got blueberry pancakes. Very nice.

Anyway, on the second night of the gigs, this is so embarrassing. So I walked out on stage. And both nights, by the way, Douglas were up for a gig. They were were like it was like proper nice um do you know what i've just done basically you've got like a brown i don't know what it is in the back behind you that wall there yeah right can you see that brown what's that thing that stark circle at the at the top there what is that oh that thing there yeah what is that yeah yeah there what is that that is nubbin for, I'll put in like, you can put in resistance bands, you can put in like anything and you loop it around there,

like that and like that. And then, yeah, you pull ups or whatever on it. Well, I didn't know what that was and I tried to just wipe it off my screen. Anyway, that was such a long time. I had the idea that I stuck stuck that there just to fuck with you um anyway i walk out um and there's a guy in the front row just sat with his mobile phone filming me all right so i come out i start like doing a bit of chat he's on the right on the front

row he's holding it like he's not hiding that what he's doing. He's like holding his phone up like that, right? Just like sat there watching me filming it, right? So I do like, so I just sort of, I didn't want to get into it straight away. So I'm just sort of saying hello to the crowd and stuff like that. And then I go,

are you filming me? And he said, yeah, I am. And I said, well, can you not film me? And he goes, I just thought I'd film it.

You know, why not? And then, because I was so flustered, it was so early on the show, I went... Oh, no. I went, because it's illegal? Oh, God. And then he just went, no, it isn't. And then I just stopped talking until... I just didn't know what to say.

Like, I just said it... I was so upset at how nerdly i'd said it i just went can you not and he went well why not because it's illegal and then he went it isn't and then i was like oh no of course it's not it's not illegal and then i just know it's not illegal and then i just sort of shut down and then security came over to tell him to put his phone down and then i just had this guy of all, it injected attention into the room that I had to get over, right? Secondly, I just had to sort of,

I just had this guy that I just sort of told off, sat in the front row for the rest of the show. It was awful. It was truly awful. Like that literally makes me feel sick.

You know, front row decorum is a real thing. Real, like, so I gigged on twice last week Makes me feel sick. You know, front row decorum is a real thing. So I gigged on twice last week, and on Thursday night, gigged at an amazing place in London, one of our favourite venues. And I get on stage. Can I ask you a question?

Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Just on what you've just said there. For some reason, when you're talking about somebody that used to go to school with uh that may have even been like borderline nonce or uh or or shat on a table in front of everybody you do not even hesitate for a second in giving their full name and address but for some reason when talking about where you gigged last week one of our favorite gigs you for some reason you want to anonymise that.

I don't understand what your instincts are on this. Right. So, ABC, Always Be Comedy. Always Be Comedy in Kennington. One of the best, for me,

one of the best places to do stand-up. Usually, like, 100%, without a doubt, great, savvy comedy crowd. Yeah. But,

so I was trying all new material, which is always difficult, right um and in the front row was this girl woman who i'd say like she was late teens probably early 20s but she looked like she was having the worst time ever like and sort of the uh compare the evening amy had said to me oh look there's a like lady woman in the front who's i think could be a little bit trickier so night goes on i don't know if she was just drunk or whatever but she spent the whole of my like my material was not edgy or like i'm not like like it's not really like but sorry like i was the worst person who'd ever done stand-up like genuinely like it like it was a real

like oh my god that like even though other people are laughing and i can hear laughter and i can see laughter this woman is absolutely destroying this gig for me right and then she starts just whispering to her friend and her friend to her credit was going shut up he's like it's really sharp it's rude, like that. And she was just, she then found this really funny, right? So then she decided to take it up a level and everything that I said, she would have like, so I talk about DIY a bit, right?

And she just throws in a thing where she'd just go, she likes doing DIY. And I went, oh, do you? And started trying to chat to her friend and think, oh, you know, maybe if i involve her and her friend in this it will cut this awful tension oh do you like doing diy and the friend's absolutely like really you don't want to be talked to no no i don't i don't i'm so sorry i'm so sorry and this girl that's the only time she laughed when her friend was humiliated and then uh i sort

of was like are you all right you having a good time? And she just looked at me, you know like she looked at me like I was so beneath her and such a like like she'd come in that night and gone if I can make this as horrible as I can for at least two or three people it'll be an amazing night for me and it's such a shame right

because I don't know how you happen to do this work like all these people like I was fortunate enough as I was leaving to talk to people and people seemed like they had a really good time for 48 hours after all I could think about was like why this woman had been like

so rude and like what would she have gained from being so like I think there is nothing more aggressive or disruptive than somebody at a comedy club whose idea it wasn't to go there yeah i mean somebody that's been taken that's maybe one of the best points i've ever heard in life somebody who's been taken who wasn't sure about it being taken taken across the comedy world, is one of the most disruptive.

That genuinely is such a brilliant observation, right? Because if you go to the Wetherspoons you're not too sure about and you're sitting there going, oh, fucking, we could have gone anywhere. That's something. But to go to a comedy and sit in the front row. I see it all the time, man.

It's like, you know, I remember before I started touring, I used to think to myself, if you're on tour, then everybody there really likes you. And that not true because what it'd be it'd be like a group of four people and maybe two of them are like really keen to see and they go do you want to go see romesh and then one of them goes yeah all right and then one of them goes oh don't really honestly try it you like it i mean you see them just dotted around there'll be like somebody's

like fucking hell yeah yeah yeah what is this yeah occasionally I'll get messages from people going really loved it my mate absolutely hated it or whatever but I don't understand why people feel the

need to tell you I think they think it's funny because they just like they don't realise that you'll go oh that's a shame that somebody didn't

have a nice time they'll just do you know what I mean whether they just think the world just go oh fuck yeah yeah such a yeah yeah actually you just go oh that's that's unfortunate that somebody really hated it um that's something for me to take to bed with me tonight between about i reckon about between 3 45 and 4 30 i'll be just be sort of ruminating on

that tonight i genuinely was sitting there with my uh daughter that's like feeding grace just looking at her thinking i hope you don't ever go to a stand-up show like when you're in early 20s and make someone feel like absolute shit because you don't enjoy this stuff like just going if you ever go and watch your own paint like anyone go and you're not enjoying a show at least put on a brave face and make the person feel better about themselves yeah i i i just think well what i would say is there are people that don't like the people that hate i know people that hate stand-up comedy because they don't like the idea of somebody trying to make them laugh there's something there's like a there's like a a reaction against that and then the other thing is is like i just think when something is trying to be funny

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Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, we should really. I feel like we've been quite serious and deep on this yeah but you know what that's that's the that's the that's the concoction that makes the brew bubble yeah nice sometimes yeah we don't know what's coming no we don't you know you might get a really funny episode you might get an episode where two blokes sort of just are really down on themselves to the point where roastly chat about shit yeah where they where by the time they log off the Zoom, they're not sure if they're going to do another episode or not. Okay, so this is from

The Timid Pigeon. Once again, thank you to The Swan for selecting the emails. I do appreciate you. Wow. I could have said that less aggressively. Dear The Wolf and Al, let me first say how much I love you both and I just want to take this time to thank you for all the laughs you give me over the year honestly can't thank you enough so the reason i'm emailing is

about an incident that happened at my favorite skate park a couple of weeks ago that still upsets me i'm a massive skateboarding fan it's so good for my mental health and jenny recommend it for everybody's just made such a positive impact in my life thank you timid pigeon for that recommendation uh i fear that for tom and i it might be behind us that starting that up but anyway anyway a same-sex couple walked through the skate park holding hands and there's a group of bmxs at the park who are regulars and they began to be dickheads by pretending to kiss being derogatory camp and saying things like crusty bumholes that made me so angry and upset i just yelled shut the fuck up as manly and as angry as

possible but i'm a very small skinny and unmanly guy and I'm so unconfrontational but I couldn't bear this couple thinking they weren't welcome at the skate park the BMXers then started being confrontational mean to me so I skated away to the safety of my to the safety of my tinny to which they started laughing at and calling me a pussy I couldn't be asked to deal with it so I decided to leave even though it made me so angry and feel like I was running and I'd let these small-minded people win. I haven't properly been back since, so I've been worried a bit about being in an altercation when all I want to do is skate and have a good time.

How do you think I should have handled the situation better, and how should I move on from it? It didn't solve the homophobia by running away, and I've only ruined going back to the park for myself. Your wise advice would be strongly appreciated. Much love and keep doing you, the timid pigeon. Yeah yeah i'm changing this up by the way because you should be known as the proud pigeon or the courageous pigeon um correct

correct you know what it's it's really easy to speculate and sit here and you know we can give you all the advice in the world but um you should feel comfort in the fact that when you saw two other people um being mocked and uh that level of disgust and homophobia being thrown at them the first thing that that came to you was to say something and be defensive and yeah look we've talked about this on here before we've talked about a number of times where uh whereas we say that you need to be careful of that and both me and roma should both been guilty of you know in our lives jumping off and saying things but you should not feel any any shame in what you've done because i think it's the right thing the trouble about like and this is a mental thing to say because it's

you know but everything's comparative right is that you shouldn't let bullies and these fucking idiots like take skating away from you any more than you should let them sneer and fucking jest at two two people for being homosexual you should you should go back to that the skate park and feel proud about who you are that the fact of the matter is that these idiots like this and it is disgusting that you know when you see a group of and we sort of i don't know whether we've touched on it, but it's, it's, it's gang mentality, isn't it? It only takes one person within that group of BMXs to,

to have that, um, have that view and that way of thinking for, uh, the rest of them to follow suit. And I think that actually you calling them out is probably embarrassed them a little bit and that, that they're,

uh, they're sort of shatting their mouths off. it's a really negative horrible way of being and like you just think that their behavior and their intolerance has ruined three people's day there and that's you know there's probably other people there who have walked away going actually sort of credit to you and probably wishing they'd said something um and like you know don't let that them take that because you know however you find whether it's skating or or golf or boxing or whatever like writing or what keeping a journal like however we find sort of a way of keeping our mental health

and keeping that in check should not be uh compromised other people. I think that, you know, go down there and go down there proud in the fact that you stood by yourself. And if they give you any problem, hit 999 and yeah, make sure that you get, you get someone down there or you call, you call someone to come and help you out. But like,

it's, I don't think they do anything. I think that, you know, and if they did, then, um, right. And again, I mean, to help you out but like it's I don't think they'd do anything I think that you know and if they did then right and again and me and Rob will jump in

in the Wolf and Alma bill and come down down there yeah probably see how big they are

and then fuck off again timid pigeon let me tell you this the thing that most upsets me about this email well not most upsets me the

whole thing of like people being homophobic is upsetting and then what upsets me more is that you think you didn't handle it well let me tell you something you've said i didn't solve the homophobia isn't you it's not about solving the homophobia that that couple that walked through the skate park and had a little bmx's like being fucking to them they have heard you defending them and sticking up for them and i'm telling you you made a difference to those people man because when you're in that situation and something like that happens they'll be thinking immediately i've talked about this before i remember i was doing a i was doing a gig in Barnstaple, and I asked a guy for a light, and I took the light, and I was lighting the cigarette, and he goes, aren't you going to say thank you? And I said, I was just about to.

And then he said, never mind saying thank you. You should apologize for being in this country in the first place, right? And then what happened to me in my head is I looked around that pub, I automatically I couldn't help it I assumed everybody thought like that because I was the only person of color in the whole pub right the reason I'm telling that story is that that is how that same sex that couple that came through that's how they would have felt everybody's saying this and when you said something that's a fucking great thing you did man it's a fucking amazing thing you did do not underestimate how good that was that thing you did okay so don't beat yourself up about this you should be congratulating yourself

give yourself a pat on the back for what you did you didn't run away the situation became aggressive so you left to protect yourself that's not running away okay so what i'm saying to you is do not be hard on yourself the next thing i'm going to say to you is i agree with tom i don't think you should allow these pricks to stop you going to that skate park if you like going to that skate park you go back to that skate park i can't guarantee you that it's going to be totally fine it's going to be totally pleasant there might be a little bit of afters or not afters but there might be few comments do not let these people stop you going you do whatever you've got to do to make sure it's comfortable for you to go

back. Okay. You know, like Tom says, you know, going down with a couple of mates or whatever, just to feel a bit more comfortable. Um,

just letting someone know what the situation is, whatever it takes. I mean, I don't know how old you are, but just however it's, whatever it takes, do not let them change. You know,

do not let these people stop you going to that skate park you did a great thing um it's a weird situation you know when like something spikes the thing of like when i was a young like young and i'd probably been about 11 or 12 probably and i was like like i was a very really good swimmer swimming was my thing and my mum used to take me to uh take swimming on a like sometimes a week at swimming class and um yeah i used to sort of like just try and be a bit like sort of big man type thing get changed in the sort of men's changing rooms like my mum you know i was at that age so going on my own to get changed anyway kind of older boys from my school sort of this one day really fucking picked you

know just went for sort of like just aggressively pissed pick up mickey taking sort of thing um through all my clothes in the shower type thing it was horrible do you know what i mean and from that moment i stopped i stopped going swimming i just was like i'm not yeah i didn't i was too embarrassed to sort of tell my parents i sort of just didn't want to go anymore because I just was so terrified of being in that situation again. And it was something that I look back and think, that was such an easy win for them. Like, it was such a sort of like, you know,

and it probably meant nothing to them. It was not even like, they wouldn't even think twice about it. Yeah, I could have walked past them a hundred times after that. It wouldn't even clock that it was me. Do you what i mean but for me that was a big big thing it was a big part of my you know big part of my life for a long time because it felt like i was being singled out and picked on but and i thought that there was a reason they were doing that is because yeah bullies will just forget i'll go and bully someone else you know and uh yeah so if i can give you any personal advice

it's um yeah it's romishes man go back do your thing yeah um good luck with it man and please let us know how it goes uh okay this is from the frog uh good afternoon wolf our swan and the cat a long time listener first time writer firstly thanks for the cat and sounds of joy you give me and you commit my commute to work and thanks to tom this is this is a pretty sick thing i'm about to read out really thanks to tom who won't remember this but he encouraged me to apply for the my dream job last year in a brief encounter in a london train station and i'm pleased to say i got the job oh wow oh wow mate it's amazing, right? Yeah, wow. Nice, man. That's incredible.

Okay. That's well. It then goes on to be a bit of a sad dilemma. I write to you with a dilemma and a complicated one. I'll cut to the chase. A few months ago, my mother was diagnosed with lung cancer. She's responding well to treatment. However, this is just to prolong the time we have left together. This is what...

Which is awful. This is what leads me to my dilemma i come from a big family and i've got two brothers long story short due to an ongoing family dispute caused by his wife who made numerous attempts to hijack and ruin our wedding last summer due to jealousy i no longer speak to one of my brothers i've been encouraged by several members of the family to heal this rift before it becomes too late some stating i should do so for my poorly mother i have no desire to fix a deteriorated relationship but do not want them to overshadow things as a family go through a hard time have you guys ever experienced anything similar to this and can pass on some advice to a lonely frog and need some

sweet sweet advice from some sweet sweet souls um tom yeah um i mean it's hard because me and katherine have been through similar sort of things we've like we've both have well you know her family and mine and i think it's it depends how how deep the the cut runs i guess you gotta like if it's something that you can't come back from with your brother. It's just kind of sort of create... Truth of the matter, I hate saying that when it's something that's really serious. But it's got to come from both of you to make this work. You can't be the one person who's turning around saying, because it's like anything, it's like any sort of relationship.

If one person's trying harder than the other to make it work it's never going to work you know you you've both got to enter into it willing to to make a change and willing to make it work so my advice i guess would be to try and scope up your your brother like you and him go and have a chat and have a see see where he's coming from how he feels if it feels that he doesn't take any uh responsibility for how he treated you and and your your wife and how he how how that had an effect on your life there if he's not gonna man up and sort of say like he he's behaved in a bad way then if i'm completely honest like it's it will be more negative on your mum and more negative on the family if you're both around just arguing and it's just going to restoke a fire that probably should have just sizzled out quite some some time

ago so i think see what you could do on that i think that the big thing is like whether you're chatting to him or whether you're not like you're you know your whole responsibility has to be towards your mother and um yeah i think if you're the person i think you are when like it's not like i hand out a lot of advice to people in stations you know you're a real credit and i think uh yeah you i think you've got all the instincts that you need to to get through this and um yeah man my heart goes out to you, man. It's a tough time. And send it love and strength. Great advice, Wolf.

Listen, Frog, I'm really sorry to hear that you're going through such a tough time, man. It sounds absolutely rank. And look, as Tom said, it's how bad this rift is really does kind of affect how relevant our advice is. But what I would say to you is that a few years ago, my dad passed away suddenly from a heart attack.

And a combination of sort of grief and trying to sort out what was quite a complicated situation with my dad and his finances led to my brother and i having a big falling out and um i had a huge argument with him i remember i was like um in i was waiting to take because my dad died just before christmas a couple of weeks before christmas i was taking i was with lisa and the kids we were going to panto and my brother phoned me up and we started having an argument in the foyer of the theater and like i raised my voice because i was so like heated about the whole thing because obviously you're going through emotions and stuff like that and he was saying stuff that i didn't want to hear and i was saying stuff that he didn't want to hear and i remember

saying to him i'll never forgive you for the way you're behaving like this like right now and he said i'll never forgive you for the way you're you know we were so steadfast and i put the phone down on him and then i went in like the the the panto is such a ridiculous context of this thing but the panto had started and i sat on the steps of the theatre. And I remember thinking, I can't see how I'm going to sort this out with my brother, ever. And I'm sure he felt the same way. And it took a while, or it took a little bit of time and a bit of consideration for us to realise that, you know,

we were going through something. And, you know, I'm happy to say that my brother and I are now, you know, we going through something and and like you know i'm happy to say that my brother and i are now you know we're really super close but it was shit do you mean and like and so look you know the thing is is that the thing that happened my brother and i was like in mind it was like a series of misunderstandings and beliefs that the other one was being inconsiderate etc etc that led to us having that blow up and you know and then it pulls up all of these underlying things that you might have been carrying with you for all this time that family members tend to have so i get look i guess what i'm saying is is my advice not knowing enough detail i think to give

you proper advice is to say that it would be great if you could get yourself to a position where you're at least civil you know for the for the sake of your mum and for the sake of other members of the family, because it sounds like what you're going, well, it doesn't sound like, what you're going through is horrific and you really don't want to do anything that's making that more horrific than it has to be. So if that means you can't be in the same room as somebody, that's going to make all sorts of situations difficult with regards to your mum and other members of your family. So I would encourage you to try and get yourself to a point where you can be civil and calm and reasonable when you're in the same room or talking to this, talking to your brother. And then maybe in the future that could lead to you sort of repairing your relationship. But it might not but i still think

that like at the very least you need to you know it'd be good if you get yourself to a point where where you're you're all right you can be in the same room there's all sorts of situations where it's going to be a fucking nightmare if you two aren't talking to each other do you know what i mean so yeah i think it would be good if you get yourself to that point in addition to that i think you know family's family it'd be good to if you get to a point where you could both understand where the other one's coming from and maybe um maybe sort of get past this but look i don't know how deep this thing is man so uh so look good luck with it good luck with it uh and i and listen i'm so sorry that you're going through the time that you're going through, man.

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to do one more? Let's do one more, my dear. Elise has picked out two very deep emails. I know. I think maybe she thinks we're finding this too easy. We're just like, fuck these guys up. We're both in sort of such a sort of like deep deep frame of mind right now mate this this this this um this episode has got like a very different flavor hasn't it it's so deep oh god um okay so this is anonymous cool that's a good site hi as always love love love uh

the podcast been listening since day one uh thanks for finding time for this it's brilliant three questions coming out of a relationship and finding it hard to bring myself to bring myself to try again do you think it's possible for someone to find someone or is this my just my trajectory sorry for a hard one don't worry mate it's uh very much in keeping with the theme of what the swan's been delivering to us there's three questions there i'll read them all yeah uh two i'm re-listening to the old episodes the spicy mackerel and potpourri stories remain the funniest things i've ever heard my question what's your what sorry what do you relisten slash rewatch to bring joy and three are you ever going to do a shit episode i'd love it thanks anonymous um tom

you can handle those in any order you like yeah i'm gonna go question one uh first up coming out relationship is always hard it's tough but um what you gotta do is jump back on the surfboard of relationships, of love, and try and navigate your way back to a shore, a.k.a. back to a resting place with someone that you are going to fall in love with. The person is out there. I have faith that you're going to find them. Don't give up on love, as i think allison haven't once said um

question two uh what brings me joy is uh me and katherine probably old episodes of kirby enthusiasm or modern family hit that up if we're feeling a bit down um sometimes i'll hit the crisp off a little bit of In Between Us that does make me chuckle and question three, are we ever going to do a poor episode is that like Michael Owen talking about films we should probably what we should do is just do the shit episode

and just stick that on the back burner and when we haven't got time to do another one we just ping it out the reason we haven't done a shit episode is actually quite divisive for as many people that are really into the idea of doing a shit episode there are an equal number of people that think it's horrific whenever we talk about shit so it's just a tricky one i think what we do is i think you're right tom let's do a shit episode but let's label it up we'll have to do it as an extra one yeah yeah that's what i mean and and go and go look this is absolutely the shit episode

if you're not into listening to chat about scat then you need to steer clear of this one yeah um so that's my that the answers to your uh your three questions um my my you know what i'm doing right now and i haven't done this before in this podcast i'm sending out positive vibes bro like a sunbeam i think that's what you do every episode all right no good like i'm genuinely zenning in like so my positive vibes are going through my laptop into romesh's laptop uh and then through romesh's uh fingers and thumbs and heart it's going to go to lisa's ipad through through Lisa's iPad, back to the emails that will go back to you. So yeah,

there we go, bro. There you go. That's how, that's how the love beams work. Anonymous. First question. Do I think it's possible for someone to find someone?

Because you're worried about being too old. Yes, I do think it's possible. And I think like Tom said, if you want to find someone you will uh what I would advise you is to not think that is to get yourself out of the thinking that being in a relationship is somehow makes you complete because it's just not the case I mean it's like you you you know we're pressured into the situation we feel like we need to be with someone

uh in order to be happy and that it just isn't the case I like we need to be with someone uh in order to be happy and that it just isn't the case i mean you need to be with the right someone so it's not a thing of like going i need to find someone i think there's a mistake that a lot of people make they think they need to be with somebody rather than the right person and that's why you'll speak to so many people and when you see them with their other half or they chat about their other half you think i don't really i'm not really convinced that this is right for you do you know what i mean so what i would say is a hundred percent is possible uh but don't sort of i would i would i would encourage you to steer clear of the mindset that you've got to like you've got to get straight back into relationship

as soon as you can do you mean love yourself that he can start loving someone else. Question number two. This is a great question. My go-to to bring joy, American Office. Oh, great call. The American Office. Ed Helms, by the way, in that is so underrated. Oh, my God. The American Office is like therapy to me. It's like therapy to me.

Perfectly written. But I know it backwards, but I'll just put it on, and I don't care if I know the episode back to me. Perfectly written. But I know it backwards, but I'll just put it on and I don't care if I know the episode back to front. There's something comforting about it. Favourite character? That's a great question. I quite like Stanley. Good call.

Stanley's a brilliant character. Weirdly, actually, if you were going to be anyone in that show, it would be Stanley, right? Yeah, you're probably right. But it's like therapy to me. I just find it really relaxing putting it on. I really, really do.

It's brilliant. I watched it. You know what? I'd sort of watched episodes here, episodes there, but when Grace was born, that was the thing I watched from I sort of watched episodes here episodes there but when Grace was born that was the thing I watched from episode one I just watched it all the way through there's an amazing story about

when Steve it's an interesting story about Steve Carell Steve Carell became a megastar while he was filming the American Office and for whatever reason they just didn't renew his contract so the last few series Steve Carell's not in it. It's still great, but obviously you're missing Steve Carell.

He's irreplaceable. But when Pam goes, it's worth watching this episode and reading the backstory. So there's a bit where he's going to the airport and Pam, just sort of like the receptionist at Dunder Mifflin, she almost misses him going. He's flying off to another part of the country. And then she runs through.

He's taking his mic off. She runs through and she says something to him and they say goodbye to each other. And you don't hear what's said because they're not mic'd up. And the story is that apparently the director just said to her, just say to him what you actually want to say because he's leaving the show and so that's just them that was just his way of capturing what looks like a really poignant kind of chat it's so beautiful man it's so beautiful i'm just i'm literally just googling something because it's

got one of my favorite um there's i think actually weirdly that one of the best quotes of that show was ed helms when he says in the last episodes, I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them what an amazing thing man when I first when he said that man

it's just amazing, what an amazing show what an amazing show what an amazing show man yeah uh check it out right tom time for us to jet my g and i've really got a jet because i promised uh theo i was gonna see him before his bedtime cool okay uh how do you um how do you follow helms from the office this is how there's two sweet sweet cats yeah there's an argument that doing that quote was a mistake wasn't there yeah i'm gonna muddle through okay there's two cats. There's an argument that doing that quote was a mistake, wasn't there? Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to muddle through. Okay, there's two cats. Well, one's a kitten and one's a fully grown cat. And they are sitting in a doormat as night comes in.

And the little kitten looks at the big cat and he says, Yo, yo, wise cat. I am so scared when the night comes in. I'm scared of the dark. It terrifies me. And the old cat says, yo, you love the day, right? You love the sunshine. You like the light.

And he is like, yeah, of course I do. I love the sun. I love being out during the day. Even when it rains, I kind of dig it because I can see shit. And the old cat looks at me andrum said the truth of the matter is it's never always dark and it's never always light we live in a world of ever-changing shades and you're never that far away from dusk to dawn as you are as from morning to eve and actually we're a little bit like that ourselves you see as cats or people or anyone in

the world it's sometimes easy to think that you're sitting in the middle of the night and you're miles away from dawn or it's actually kind of cool to think you're sitting at lunchtime and you're miles away from night the truth of the matter is shades are always going to change and days always going to turn to night and your brain's always going to do the same enjoy the sun but don't fear the night it's only there to make the sunshine richer wow that's lovely that do you know what i doubted you for a minute because the cat stuff really felt like it wasn't going anywhere but uh but well done man that was beautiful you know me i i i was genuinely worried myself that the wheels were coming off but yeah i'm not surprised that's why i speed up through the last couple of sentences um guys uh i'm sorry if uh you don't like this different flavor of uh we normally kind of uh

normally a bit more upbeat on this but we today we've done it a little bit like you know when you turn on the radio at about 2am and they're having a phone-in thing, it's a bit of that kind of thing. I think it's a good notion that next week we'll do this at about 9 o'clock on Saturday or Sunday morning. I think morning episodes are better, I think this is a huge error.

But anyway. But anyway, take care of yourselves. Love and peace, people. Much love. Peace! Yeah! If you have a problem, opinion, feedback, or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod at gmail.com. That's wolfalpod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you,

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