Wolf and Owl - Ep 72: Local Radio & Celebrating Celebrations

Episode Date: May 28, 2022

We’re talking…. local radio presenters, annoying adverts, talking to professional footballers, making the most of celebrations, airport drinking, attitudes to awards, hanging out on set together, catering letdowns and an all-important update on Tom’s sugar ban. Then it’s onto some more hot topics - baths in the middle of hotel rooms, echoey garages, listener gripes and a few of your email questions. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We didn't do it earlier this week This is a differently scheduled episode of The Wolf and Owl. Might be trying it out, basically. When's this going out? Is this going out Friday night? Saturday morning? I don't know. I mean, this is totally dependent on JT, the editor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No pressure, obviously, JT. You do a wonderful job. And you were waiting for us on Tuesday for the podcast that never arrived. Waiting eagerly. Yeah. And listen listen let me take full responsibility for that that was just uh i was under the cover yeah you were and you

know what i think i you were tired at lao you weren't like yeah the most tired at lao i've ever seen like you sort of there was no hoots in you no just like yeah you'd sort of slipped into your whole uh your Do you know what? I just made a joke like you do on fucking local radio. Fuck. Your local radio, I think, is maybe one of the hardest jobs ever. Oh, mate, 100%. Like generating chat.

I mean, I've just described our podcast. But you've not got somebody to bounce off, have you? You're just sort of... No, no. They're sort of eager to hear from anyone. Hope you're all right out there. It's a hell of a morning out there. And this morning, actually, a bit of a weird one.

I was just putting a little bit of chocolate spread on my toast. I like to have a bit of chocolate spread on a Wednesday, a little sort of hump day treat, if you will. And it actually sort of occurred to me that the chocolate spread actually weirdly requires quite a lot of effort to get it spread across the bread evenly i sort of uh sort of first section fine fine fine having a good time and then the end um i sort of just sort of ran out and then i went to get a second dip if you like in the old chocolate spread ended up having too much on that end.

So what we're asking people today is, what is the most difficult thing to spread that you still persevere with? Give us a shout. 8, 10, 23. We'd absolutely love to hear from you. And then over the moon to hear from anyone like Robinson Crusoe. Like, literally, like, you know, if you ever want an indication of what it must be like to fucking be Robinson Crusoe

it would be like listening to a local radio person when anyone interesting calls in yeah have you ever had to do that you know when you're

promoting a show and you do all the local radio shows yeah going on and like doing the chats with the so you do like

maybe sort of 50 of them in a day yeah you would literally do like everywhere from St Ives up to like the top of Scotland right what's it called St John's Mount St John's Mount of them in a day. Yeah. You would literally do like everywhere from St Ives up to like the top of Scotland.

Right? What's it called? St John's Mount. St John's Mount? You're talking about John the Great? Yes. St John's Mount? Sounds like a fucking

nickname a nonce gave himself. Who's your games teacher? Oh, St John's Mount. St John's Mount. It's the guy with a pipe. John's Mets St. John's Mets it's the guy with a pipe

and a lock a pipe and a mat and a pocket full of dreams yeah I find they're interesting things you know

when you're you've got to do all those you get the different levels of when you've got someone who's been doing

it for sort of 10 or 15 20 years they've just really got they're sort of like i say they just haven't been able to talk to anyone and then you get those young bucks who are just happy about everything well you've either got you've either got people that sort of like doing it for the sake of doing it and and you know they're doing local radio because that's what they're going to do until they retire or whatever or you get this other

the other people who are like on their way through to like ideally getting onto Radio 1 or some shit like that yeah actually while we're

talking about this I wasn't going to say anything about this because I've been grinding my gears you know who's really pissing me off at the moment oh my god

who Lily Cole those fucking is it Lily Cole stupid fucking advert she's doing? The actress who played Pamela Anderson. Oh, boy. Is that Lily...

Is her name Lily Cole? Lily James? Lily Cole? I think it's Lily James. Lily James. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, she's pissing you off. Have you not seen those adverts she's doing?

No. What are they? God. They are the most annoying adverts in the whole world honestly

so what is it talk me through it they're for Sky Mobile right and they're just so like I'm a positive guy I'm full of

positivity leaks from my ass crack to my mouth right leaks from your ass crack to your mouth you don't thinkaks from your arse crack to your mouth.

You don't think about phrasing at all, do you? No, I just sort of go with it and just go for the best. But she's just so, like, we were talking about this the other week, that sort of, like, faux giggling. Everything's so funny and so

quintessentially English. They're just all like, you know, a little girl that gets thrown up in the air and then lands on her feet. The latest one is this little boy who's playing rugby and she gives him a reassuring nod and then he takes on about 40 different kids who are bigger than him. It sounds like a really sort of feel-good advert

that you're getting angry about. Yeah, no, it's a feel-good if you're a smaller kid. It's a whole stereotype that bigger kids are mean and fucking good at sport. Now we're getting to the nub of the issue. That's what really grinds my gears. It's like, oh, you can do it. This little kid, the smaller kid's already got fucking, he's brainy.

You can tell he's very good in all the classes he's doing, but he's just nervous about playing rugby. It just makes the whole thing about bigger kids that yeah like i sort of have a slight problem with um there's sort of a snobbishness towards kids who are good at sports and i look i mean i know there's this jock sentimentality but like you know people go like like being good at sport isn't is a form of intelligence it's like physical intelligence do you mean but like people sort of kind of demean it a little bit. I always find it annoying when people go on about footballers being stupid. It's like if somebody's crap at sports

you sort of feel sorry for them and it's a thing, you know, who cares about sports? But if somebody's good at sports but not very eloquent they sort of get the piss taken out of them. You know who's got it all? Who genuinely has it all? Frank Lampard. He really does.

He really does. He's so, he's fiercely intelligent. Really smart guy. Really smart. Very sweet to his very core. Very lovely man. Got a GCSE in Latin, I believe. Yeah, yeah.

Amazing at football. Hard working. Yeah. Always, you know, with Frank Lampard, always just feel like, you know, he just, I think you walk a little bit taller and a little bit prouder if you were just in his company. Yeah.

I mean, it's just sort of classic Tom Davis. He makes a series of quite insightful points and then just add something absolutely insane at the end for no apparent reason. You know Frank a bit, right? Yeah. Cause we did play to the whistle together.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm still in touch with him. We went out actually on a bit of a, we, we just after. Played to the whistle together, yeah. I mean, I'm still in touch with him. We went out, actually, on a bit of a... Whoa. Just after he finished... Whoa.

We went out just after he finished at Chelsea. As a player or a manager? As a manager. Oh, wow. Well, you know, is this okay? We went out for dinner and then drinks. And then afterwards, he sort of commented... That's okay, yeah. It sort of felt a bit like a date well just the two of you yeah that's kind of sweet

in a way though no no it's two of britain's greatest minds oh my god what were you chatting about just life well mainly about football to finish with that's quite nice in a way though that you know what that means what because for frank that's one of the first times for a long time he's probably sort of had a bit of a knock to his self-esteem. What, going out of May for a night? No!

Just sort of looking at me thinking, fucking hell, this is how far my star's fallen. That's not how bad it is in a Chelsea job. Things could be worse. Looking at you eating a fucking

miso fucking aubergine. Yeah. It's like you've won the fucking polls. Yeah. I can't believe they don'to fucking aubergine. It's like you've won the fucking polls. I can't believe they don't miso aubergine, Frank. And the reason that Ranganation works so well, and I feel like managing them is a bit like managing a football team, is because...

Frank, I'm just thinking, say it, don't spray it. That's the worst thing is I feel about talking to anybody involved in football. And you'll have had this a lot from doing the Redknapp show. And like you did and doing the podcast. It's like talking to them like you think you know football like they do.

No, but your other point's completely correct, right? It's not just talking about like you know football as well as them but like anything you've done has meant as much as they've done in football yeah and you know my worst thing is I try to make others like exactly the same I try to make stuff

in my life talk like sound like football yeah nothing's as interesting as fucking you're trying to relate you're trying to relate I guess but like I just feel like you know I start talking to Frank Lampard about Arsenal. And then I just sort of say something like, I just don't think he sort of makes himself available for the ball enough.

And then, I mean, you sort of look at Frank and you think, what the fuck am I talking about? Like, what am I talking about? He must be looking at me going, it's like watching like a guinea pig try and understand formations.

It's like watching a Labrador trying to work out a magic trick. Yeah, it's just like, I just think, you know, he needs to burn up the left wing there and just sort of make that an avenue. He's to make that an avenue for attack. He's like, oh, fuck off, Rom.

You, like, literally, thinking that's gone really well with Frank and you might see him again, him getting in the car and phoning Jamie and just going oh my god you should have heard from him

trying to fucking tell me I should have played Tammy Abraham as a fucking fake knight do you know what he said he actually said the words you need to push him linear he actually said that

out loud I think actually the worst thing he said was burn down the left wing yeah I think when you change right

spring I've got to say I don't think there's much worse than, I've just realised that like, behind me is my suitcase, looking absolutely, look at that, what a mess.

Anyway, I don't think there's much worse. I bet there's, if you went in Franklin and Pard's, have you ever been in a Japanese hotel room, when you stayed away? Yeah. So,

it's so neat, right? I know, I know. He gets everything out, puts it in a wardrobe. Un unpacks like unpacks like he's there to stay beautifully yeah like he's there forever yeah that's the other thing about a lot of footballers i don't like i think like it's almost like an army culture isn't it like they

they take care of shit yeah yeah yeah i'd like to i'd like to establish i'd like to get more of that in my life and but the other thing i wouldn't like is sort of walking around butt naked and slapping each other's dicks and shit like that. I don't think that happens as much now. How do you know? I just don't think it does. I think back in the day there was always videos of people, like if someone won the league,

there'd be a video of them all jumping in that big bath that they shared together. Yeah. And now it's not. It's a cool picture of them all together. They're all in the bath. One of them does a shit. It sort of floats to the top and everyone runs's not it's a cool picture of them all they're all in the bath one of them does a shit it sort of floats

to the top and everyone runs out and it's a funny prank one of them things pranks have gone haven't they

like that do you reckon there's no pranks yeah you don't hear those stories anymore do you and I reckon footballers are

absolutely delighted aren't they that that's gone do you know what I mean you know who actually I've got a shout out for as well is Jack Grealish

fuck me he's making the most of winning that league isn't he yeah he really is yeah but I think good I think shit should be celebrated I'm like look man

I think like for so long you know people celebrate with a little bit of decor and it's a little bit I'm like no go for it Jack like you know

he never thought he'd win a league I think that's from me Alex Ferguson used to say that all the time apparently you know maybe I'm like, no, go for it, Jack. Like, you know, he never thought he'd win a league. I think that's from me. Alex Ferguson used to say that all the time, apparently. You know, maybe I'm making this up, but the attitude was, it's like, you know, don't take this for granted, do you know what I mean? It's like, you work your ass off

and you get yourself to the point where you do that and then you celebrate it when it happens. But I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that, do you know what I mean? It's like... What, Jack Greenish? No, not Jack Greenish. I just mean the idea of celebrating. It's like like i think more people should celebrate shit more often though

just in life you've got like i think like i think life is tough right life is hard you know life will grind you down and beat you up when it can but when you get a glimmer of light right and something good comes along you know oh the old fingers of fate rest their trembling hand upon your shoulder it's to turn around look it in the eye and go I'm going to enjoy this did you celebrate your bachelor? yeah! so what did you do? I went out that night

partied with my man JDF and the boys from the people that snuff and Constance and then me and Catherine went to Ibiza for a week afterwards. Really? Well, we were going on holiday anyway.

Okay, great. But it looked pretty cool. I literally, we got, um, we got on the plane the next day and I had no sleep. Do you know who I bumped into at the airport?

Who's genuinely one of the coolest? Another fucking shout out, Mike Freeman. Really? Oh my God. Was he out celebrating your BAFTA as well? I wish, I wish. And he was just lurking around. Was he out celebrating your BAFTA as well? I wish. I wish.

He was just lurking around. Was he going to Ibiza? No, no, no. He was going somewhere with his children, but he was just there. Like, I lost my shit when I knew it. Like, I was staring at him for ages because I was really hungover.

And he was sort of like, he kept on looking up and I thought, he's either absolutely terrified that this bloke's just staring at him or he might know who I am. And he came over and shook my hand and said, well done. I just thought, yeah, I just was like, if you want a beer and Wetherspoons.

Why did he do that? Well, yeah, he was going to the lounge. But also I thought probably, I reckon if he didn't know these kids, he might have come for a couple of beers and Wetherspoons. Yeah, I definitely think so. No, I do, I do. Are you at Wetherspoon to go out when you get to the airport?

Do you know what we're doing? What are we doing? Where are we going? I think it might have been for the Sierra Leone. No, Romania. When we did Romania for Misadventures, not that this matters, I mean, who cares? It doesn't matter.

But I met with the production team and we got to the airport at 7am and I went to the pub and i did i'm actually i actually think this is a shameful thing that i did got to the pub at like seven had breakfast and had a pint with it oh man i think that's good i don't know man i don't know about opening that whole thing of like that you know that whole airport it's different because you're in airport thing or whatever i don't know this is what i'm talking about though it's a celebration you're going celebration of what i'm about to start a week's work yeah but because you're in an airport thing or whatever I don't know this is what I'm talking about though, it's a celebration celebration of what? I'm about to start a week's work

yeah but you're literally you're like, you're getting on a plane celebrate aviation mate fucking put one on the back and say well done to I can't remember the woman who, like people who care no thanks for saying that because now I know how much sort of credibility to give this conversation we're having

what I'm saying is right i think at the moment right we are it's times are tough times are hard i get that it's a really hard time to live and it's a worrying time to live and you can isolate yourself in a world of worry but i think the small little moments yeah that you can i'm not saying you have to have a drink because i'm not drinking at the moment but i'm saying just inside yourself or just just just give yourself enough just to go oh well done i smashed that yeah honestly you've got to go full greed issue and fucking hang out with wayne linacre and fucking absolutely smash for a month but i'm saying in life i think it's very easy just to sort of go like wait for the next bit of shit to happen yeah i'd actually

tom do you know celebrate the top of a mountain yeah i look man i totally agree with you i actually totally agree with you i think this whole thing of um you know you've got to stop and smell the roses sometimes and and you know when you like um people say to you appreciate what you have appreciate what you have it's very easy to get into a position where you think oh fuck that cliche i mean it sounds like something you get on a greetings card. But I do actually think it changes your whole outlook. Sort of appreciating

what you've got and if something good happens, just sort of reveling in it for a bit. Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's not about showing off about it and like whatever.

No, no, no. I think showing off is, you know, maybe greenish is walking the line a little bit. But, you know, if something cool happens,

you know, celebrate it. I do agree with that. But actually, do you know what something cool happens you know celebrate it I do agree with that but actually do you know what I'm going to give a shout out to Rob Beckett because when I won the BAFTA

for Ranganation I was just a bit like I was ready to go home and Rob said to me look mate he goes it's a cool thing nobody's going to begrudge you

he just said to me come out have a few drinks enjoy yourself and yeah it was the right thing to do do you mean and then even and look i'm going to tell you honestly this is me sort of like going behind the curtain a bit that i i didn't want to so rob took a photo of me and my eye was closed like the bafta right i was battered and i took it and and then rob said you should post that photo and then i just thought i just

thought it was a bit of a dick move to post that photo because I don't want to get into it too much. You almost sort of sound like you. I just think it's such an arbitrary thing winning an award like that. It's not like the Premier League where you get a certain number of points and then it's indisputable. Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no.

Hold on. Just here. Listen, I'm not trying to undermine the BAFTAs, right? I'm not trying to, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying they're not worth. What I'm saying is, it's a subjective thing, right? You can't. Of course it is.

Do you know what I mean? It's like, you're going, you know, I won best entertainment performance or whatever. How can there be a best entertainment performance? If you examine that with any kind of like, it doesn't make any sense. No, with that i'd say that the baftas on the basis that is voted for by your peers you know and it's that you know the one that if i want to i find i find the NTAs slightly... Like...

I mean, I won't get into it. I'll find the NTAs. The NTAs is essentially a popularity contest, isn't it? Well, not a bit. It is purely. You get long-listed and then they ask... Actually, I've never been asked to post about the NTAs. But you get them.

Then you see all the posts on Instagram, yeah. Yeah, posts on Instagram yeah yeah posts on Instagram and Twitter and then you realise it's a real kick in the teeth to realise that not many people like or like your stuff

I know when it comes down to a popularity contest actually you're not that popular but like it's a weird thing because I get

it's like having a birthday as a kid when no one turns up yeah but I don't know I sort of don't know what I think or what I want from an awards because when it's like up. Yeah. But I don't know what, I sort of don't know what I think,

what I want from an awards. Because when it's like, when it's public vote like that, you go, well, you're not really, there's no science to that. Do you know what I mean? I mean, there is a science to that. I'm actually complaining about a scoring system.

That is a scoring system. It's democracy. People vote for it. But the thing is, it's like, like you said, it's a populist thing then. Do you know what I mean? And you're not, you're not always rewarding the best things on a quality basis when you do then. Do you know what I mean? And you're not always rewarding the best things on a quality basis when you do that.

Do you know what I mean? But then at the same time, if it's like a committee of people that are deciding it, then my issue is, okay, well, that's very arbitrary. But that is what awards are, I guess. You can't get away from that. Do you know what I mean? But then it's also like with football, and if you're going to look at it in a sense of like the joy that football brings to so many, right,

it's you know at the end of it man city win right man city win the league which is an amazing thing right and that's to be celebrated it's incredible but what i think is what my point is in life i guess is that that's that's man city right you know liverpool finished second that's liverpool an amazingly massive club right i'm a west fan to finish 7th that's fucking great yeah to finish 7th for fucking a

Brentford fan like when Brentford have come up everyone's like they're going straight back down Brentford have had an incredible season

they've had moments where you go I'd beat Chelsea absolutely hammered Chelsea they beat Arsenal these are fucking small moments

that you go that's that moment and what I'm saying is that the final crown and that final trophy that's incredible that's that moment and what I'm saying is that the final crown and that final trophy that's incredible that's an amazing thing

most people and like most fans and most players will never get close to that but in terms of small tiny little moments

it's don't be afraid to go oh fucking that was great yeah that was amazing I think it's a great I think it's a great lesson it's a really great lesson

mate mate massive moment for you this week That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was amazing. I think it's a great lesson. It's a really great lesson. Mate, mate, massive moment for you this week. What are you talking about? I turn up on set to your new show, you drive up in a Ferrari. Okay. Now,

so, the reason, I would say it's affected this podcast so far, but the reason that Tom and I are in this sort of weird, sort of reflective mood is because we both feel utterly fucked. Yeah, we're sure. Because yesterday, we had, had well it was a long day for both of us yesterday but tom davis graced the set of romantic getaway and i'm going to say this now i'm going to say a very like

uh sort of slightly self-indulgent wanky thing but to have you rock up and be on the show that we're doing it was one of my favourite days yesterday, man. I'm going to say that now. I loved having you there. Obviously for your, well, obviously for having you on set, it was great. But also what you did in the scenes that you were in was also amazing.

And also, obviously, the other thing that I sort of knew would happen, but sort of hadn't fully appreciated the full effects of it if you turning up and bullying me in front of everyone uh on the crew it's a brilliant like you'd like look there was a moment where i saw like i saw i turn up right the first thing i see when i turn up is you slip sliding along the fucking pavement you've got your little team with you and then then you get like i saw you sort of look round for me and then you jumped into this Ferrari

let's be crystal clear because your Instagram didn't make this clear at all it's for the scene in the show there's a Ferrari right? but what you did is intimated that I turned up on set in a Ferrari you were like you got in that Ferrari so You were, like, you got in that Ferrari so many times.

Like, you were in and out of that Ferrari. You sat down and you were lunching it at one point. Shut up. It's an amazing thing, isn't it? Like, how people lose their shit. I'm not a petrolhead. I'm not like a car guy. But people lose their shit in a place like that, right? Oh, yeah. So the place we were filming

had, like, loads of amazing people. It was incredible. But, like, people lose their shit in a place like that right oh yeah so the place we're filming had like loads of amazing it was incredible but like people lose their mind yeah and the guy there couldn't get his

head around that I wasn't like into cars you know the guy who ran the place yeah he was like have you had a

look around I went no no no he went oh you treat yourself and I went well not really into cars he went what and I was like

I'm not really into cars I mean there's a strong argument that the polite things to have done would have gone, yeah, I'll have a look around in a badge. Yeah, yeah.

No, it's a really great place there. But no, you've decided to sort of draw your line in the sand there and just sort of go, nah, nah, not for me, mate. Fuck your place and what you do with it. No, no, no. But he was so cocksure. He went, oh, you've seen Romesh in the Ferrari? I went, yeah, no, no.

I saw him whizzing around the streets. He said, yeah. And he was just like, again, look, I saw him whizzing around the streets he said yeah and he was just like he was a very car saley nice guy very fucking

yeah I bet he's good at five-a-side football and like he can run at the marathon he had that

vibe about him and talking to this guy is why you bullied me is that no no I enjoy being on set

I enjoy the banter of it I enjoy like just being there and let me just say a shout out to you the crew your cast a great group of people

he was great we needed a young lad Adam Young Adam Young shout him out he was wicked nice young boy he was very good

it was an enjoyable experience man I enjoyed it yeah and sort of like in between takes sort of like going, just sort of going, I'll fucking try and get it right this time, mate.

Talking to the first AD and just sort of going, what's going on with him? Oh, what a legend. What a good guy. Actually, really, he was the first AD on Murder, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah.

Good guy. Sweet, sweet soul. Sweet, sweet soul. Go on and pick a little chink in the arm. I thought the lunch was very good. Yeah, yeah. Good guy. Sweet, sweet soul. Sweet, sweet soul. Go and pick a little chink in the arm. I thought the lunch was very good. Oh, no. So you ordered

the Malaysian vegan curry. Vegan curry. Yeah. Yeah. So go on, talk me through it. What's your problem?

I just didn't think it was very nice at all. I genuinely, I just thought, like, if I was doing a show for probably one of the world's top vegans, you've got me the top five vegans in the world, right? No.

Yeah, you are. I can't name them, but I'm not even, I don't even think I'm one of the top five vegans in the West Sussex area. But anyway, go on. Right, but if I say I'm Romish, one of the things they say quickly is vegan, right? Well, that's annoying.

I mean, how many fucking... People say, why does he do so many TV shows? Because I want people to fucking take vegan out of my description when they're talking about me. No, but I just think that's making a bit of effort with the vegan curry there. I just found it a little bit... Under-seasoned.

Yeah, and vegan food could be amazing like arguably and I'm going to go out there and I might get this might be one of the most sort of out there things I've ever said in my life

but vegetables this is a this is a hotly contested category this isn't it go on vegetables have a better texture and flavour than any meat

right no but natural right you're going gonna get absolutely sorry a better texture better texture and flavour i think yeah and flavour like flavour wise right if i'm look if i'm basically putting together two teams to go head to head right yeah and i've gone okay what have i got here pork beef chicken right yeah maybe i'll throw in a couple of bits of fish right but very

like there's not a why does that amuse you so much talking about throwing in a couple of bits of fish I'm just thinking I'm just thinking when you said when you said

throwing in a couple of bits of fish you were so excited with yourself no I'm just like I'm just looking at the dressing room now and just laughing at myself just because I've basically

got some ground mince in there I've got a chicken a bit of pork yeah and then I'll throw in a I've got a chicken a bit of pork and then I've thrown a sea bass and a salmon who's in the

who's in the vegetable dressing room mate straight away I'm fucking excited about it you've got tomatoes right and don't say fruit

because that's one of my worst arguments ever what do you mean that's one of your worst arguments ever there's no argument tomatoes are fruit

yeah but yeah I think the tomato's been thrown in the fruit bowl actually that I think the tomato's been thrown in the fruit bowl actually that's exactly it's never been thrown in the fruit bowl so it shouldn't be a fruit

whoever came up with that's a fucking idiot well it's just because it's got seeds in it it's a fruit oh god for fuck's sake but then that doesn't

make sense because the tangerine doesn't have seeds in it no or it can do yeah no they can do that's bullshit

what I just said anyway carry on right so you've got the tomato right sweet potato yeah

aubergine yeah courgette yeah carrots yeah broccoli you're talking

I'm just cauliflower's fucking there you do amazing stuff with cauliflower listen by the way I know I should I know yeah

but I'm looking at it going wow fucking hell that's a funny feeling in my mouth and it's absolutely delicious I'm fighting your argument here sometimes I think

I should be the fucking main vegan yeah but you aren't because you don't believe in what you're saying that is the truth and I glitchy go oh is that pork

no I've met quite I have sat there and gone is that pork or chicken or is that lamb or beef very seldom I, is that pork or chicken? Or is that lamb or beef? Very seldom have I gone, is that cauliflower or an aubergine? Well, I mean, what you're doing is comparing two completely, I mean, it's, if you couldn't tell the difference between cauliflower and aubergine,

there are some very serious issues going on there, whereas lamb and beef is like. I'm just saying to you. So hold on, let me get this straight. If you were offered, if yesterday they went, we've got two steaks, Tom. Yeah. We've got cauliflower or ribeye.

Yeah. You'd go for the cauliflower, would you? Have you had bang bang cauliflower? I've had bang bang cauliflower, yeah. My argument's over, friend. Well, no, it's not over, is it? Because you could have bang bang chicken. Yeah, but bang bang cauliflower is better than bang bang chicken

okay well alright I'll say it all day long all day long give it a try like as well there was meat options on there I could have had

but I kind of thought right I am in the temple of the vegan and actually if there's one thing

that I put the most effort into it would be this vegan curry it would be banging well I I thought it was... It just needed a bit of salt. You put salt in it? I think it's a simple fix.

No. I will never, ever add salt to my meal. Ever. Wow, really? I used to do it a lot, and now I just can't. It's a habit, isn't it? You just start doing it all the time, and then I just thought,

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conditions apply Kudo! Conditions apply. Speaking of stopping, let's cast our minds back, because it's over a week now, and totally my bad, cast our minds back to what you said on the last week's episode which was as of tuesday i will be i mean there was a bit of a roller coaster that you said as of tuesday i'll be an ex-sugar eater and then it later transpired that you just meant you were going to give up sugar for a week before reintroducing it how's that going yeah well i sort of gave it up for tuesday and then i released tuesday on wed. It's very hard, man. It's very hard.

It is very hard. So what happened? Like Tuesday was an absolute horrible

day. Do you remember what you had on Tuesday? So you got up on Tuesday?

I got up on Tuesday, I had some porridge with water, and then we got through most of

Tuesday, and all of Tuesday really, essentially, without any sugar, and then Grace decided not to sleep that night and then you're just in a position where you're like

well I've already so I've given up on sleep now I've given up on one of the only things that actually gives me any sort of like gives me a little kick yeah yeah yeah

you're struggling it's hard and this is like a treatment so actually you know what and if I was sitting on your bed beside you right now, I'd put my arm around you

and say, thanks man, actually you got it right on this one. It was a ridiculous thought to actually give up sugar. Well, what you could do,

what you could do is just keep an eye on it. And you are keeping an eye on it because obviously you're conscious of it. I sort of am. I had four penguins yesterday on set. It's hard.

I sort of... The trouble for me is, right, I actually, in a lot of ways, thought, if I can't do something, I think there's no point. I'm not going to trivialise it. I was like, I'm going to try and give up shit. A bit like, if I attempted to climb Everest, right, and thought, oh, this is too hard, I'm not then going to celebrate the fact

that I can climb Snowdon. Okay. You're not going to celebrate that. I mean, I think it's a pretty bad analogy, actually. The idea that you wouldn't celebrate. Better never mind that you just talked about celebrating at the moment. No, no, no.

No, no, but if I've gone, right, I'm going to go, no, if I'm walking around town, I'm walking around the pool and I've left my own town, I'm going, yeah, see you later when I've gone right I'm gonna go no if I'm walking around town I'm walking around the pool and I've left my own town I'm going yeah see you later when I've climbed fucking Everest and everyone's like oh wow you're supportive of me and then I I fail at the first hurdle I don't even get up to base camp one and then I basically fly back to Wales and I climb Snowdon and I come back and there's a fucking street gala for me and stuff and everyone's like oh I can't believe

you climbed Everest I didn't actually manage to climb Everest in the end. I just climbed Snowdon. Like, yeah, there were probably a couple of champagne courts, but a lot of people will be putting the cupcakes back in the drawer and fucking, there'll be an anti-primates, won't there? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot

wrong there with what you said. I mean, first of all, that you had announced that you're going to climb Everest. Second of all, that none of them would have all that you would announce the town that you're going to climb everest second of all that none of them would have heard that you didn't climb everest in the end before you get back third of all that the idea of climbing snowden isn't an achievement that was not an achievement but it's not and finally the idea that people get cupcakes in a drawer what i'm saying to you right is that celebrate moments but also like sometimes when you when you haven't achieved something go right i did that

look at these two messages is so opposite it's incredible just so you know like celebrate the moments but if those moments don't go then fucking punish yourself don't even smile because you're a disappointment you're a fucking let down is that the message no what I'm saying right is life is a roller coaster

right celebrate if you finish a roller coaster but if you can't get on the roller coaster because you're too scared go on the bubble works there's nothing like

what you're saying I don't know I get too confused in all the sugar analogies it's because we're tired guys Nothing like what you're saying. I don't know. It's too confusing, all the sugar and allergies. It's because we're tired, guys. So yesterday, Tom suffered because of me. Because we had to start the shoot early yesterday because I had to go to York last night. I'm in York now.

I'm talking from York. It's nice, man. It's a tool show. York is wow. Roll-top bath there. Is there a roll-top bath in your hotel room? there is yeah this is the weird thing about having a hot tub

because a hot tub is like right in the middle of the bedroom right is that a hot tub? it's not a hot tub it's just a bath tub roll tub but whatever not whatever I didn't mean to sound as dismissive it's a bath right even though there's no one else in this room

I feel awkward using that bath do you know. I mean, it's a bath, right? Even though there's no one else in this room, I feel awkward using that bath. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know who thinks it's cool to have a bath in the middle of a room. I don't know. I mean, the one thing I'd like to think, I'd love to think about you in that bath

just peering out the window that you sit by. Actually, it's quite cool because there's a TV by it and you can swivel it around. Maybe sit down and watch one of your shows or something break the bed or something yeah i might do yeah yeah oh yeah just what what while you're um there by the way because you just lent back there do you know that you've sounded really echoey in all the podcasts recently have i actually sounded echoey well i don't notice it because i don't listen to the podcast but

um i'm listening to you on this zoom but we've had a number of messages saying that because obviously you are you are sort of doing it from a cavern aren't you yeah i'm doing it from a garage yeah i don't know how to make it sound this sick of it well i don't think you can i think we just this is why we might have to live with this because this is now your permanent location isn't it yeah i'm not changing this otherwise yeah i mean it's this or we don't do a podcast essentially because yeah okay all right i, all right. I didn't realise that was your fucking deal breaker. Holy shit, man. No, no, no, but I've got nowhere else to go. This is essentially my living course now.

Yeah, sure, sure, sure. I'm not having a go. I'm just saying this is what a couple of people have commented. But, you know, people comment all sorts of stuff. One of the things we talked about is that apparently on one of the Apple... In fact, let's get these up. I want to read some of these. Just quickly, actually, as well. Wasn't there someone who had a go at us about the sugar thing?

Somebody said that we let ourselves down. We got an email in to the podcast saying we let ourselves down this week because we were having a go at people that were cutting down sugar. And I don't know if that's how it came across. At no point did it even occur to me that I'd be having a go at people. If people want to cut out sugar, that's totally fine. I was scoffing a bit at the idea that Tom was going to be able to cut out sugar. But the idea of cutting out sugar...

Look, there was no scoffing going on. I salute anyone who's able to cut out sugar. And if I ever see you, let me fucking get you a cup of coffee black coffee here we go um great pod but rom should take it easier a really fun podcast but i find romesh's systemic bullying of tom a little hard to listen to classic teacher now just getting into this um why are you laughing so much i just just love when you first mention that to me. Can you shake the reviews? What I just want to say about this is

I am not beyond criticism, mostly from myself, I would say. But I do think that sometimes I can be a bit persnickety about words that you use and stuff like that, and I have been guilty of that in the past.

The, the, the sort of, and, and, and so I do, I, I,

I agree. Sometimes I can be a bit like on it with regards to that. What I would say is the idea that Tom Davis is being bullied on this podcast and that he is without response being got out is, is one of the greatest fucking misrepresentations of what happens on this podcast i could fucking imagine because i have and listen it's it's done with love but i have under i have suffered throughout this podcast an ongoing campaign of abuse and undermining of confidence and just constant digging out by Tom Davies. I don't understand. I just think it might be

I don't know if it's your tone of voice, it's your use of floral language, but for some reason, people cannot seem to register that you are fucking giving as good as, if not much better than you get. You know, I think it's a worse indictment on me than you. No, it isn't.

It is, because I think people go, oh, God, fucking hell. Look, I love it. I love a little bit of back and forth with you. It's like fucking great. It's like two tennis players going at it. I'm fucking John McEnroe, the fucking edgy edgelord smashing.

You're fucking on the other end of the court and you're fucking Pete Sampras or Tim Hedman. And we're fucking heads. So you see that you heard that. That's this exact what I'm talking about. All of these things just go under the radar. But I'm like, you're like,

fucking hell, how am I going to beat this guy? But then you do, because you've got this sort of fucking, you know, you've got all your people on Hedman Hill going, you can do it. Tim Hedman,

throw Romesh. Yeah. You know, beat the fucking edgelord yeah okay thank you um by the way just in uh just off the back of that we get loads of positive i'm not saying this for propaganda i'm saying this because i want to thank people there's been there's loads of uh positive reviews on there so thank you for that but obviously i'm not going to read those out because why the fuck would you do that but by the way we do read those and they are a great pick me up oh they are 100 and like people don't just go you know some people just go great podcasts but some people say some like really nice things about what they like about the podcast and we read them and it's really nice so thank you and we read them and it's really nice i thank you christ

yeah let's give a little same back with some emails g let's do it uh thanks once again to really nice. I thank you. Christ. Yeah. Let's give a little sign back with some emails. Jay, let's do it. Uh, thanks once again to

the Swan who I had a bit of a, yes. So, so I had a bit of, I don't know if you ever have this. So,

so obviously you and I both work away a fair bit, right? Yeah. And I'll say bye to Lisa. Obviously.

Yeah. Yesterday morning, she was in bed when I was leaving, because obviously early pick-up. But she woke up. And I actually got a bit like... I hugged her and said goodbye. I'm also embarrassed and regretting starting to say this.

I sort of started to feel like I was going to... I started to get a bit upset about being away, in the same way that... Do you remember when you used to go away from your mum and dad and start to feel homesick? gonna I started to get a bit upset about being away in the same way that do you remember when you used to go away like from your mum and dad's and start to feel homesick I got that fit I just sort of felt like a bit and I always miss my family but every now and again you know when you engage with it and it sort of hits you in a way that it gets you right in the feels in a way that sometimes it doesn't I mean horrible I feel exactly I've had that thing of like like this week's been a busy

week of like writing meetings gigging whatever and then all of a sudden it's like it got to like last night when i got home and then i literally was like coming home from yours you know which let me say by the way started early finished early lovely but then i had like four meetings that took me into the evening and it's like I looked I came in I was like wanting to cuddle with Grace and Catherine was like I'll put her to bed you know

and it's like oh shit I haven't seen her really at all this week you know what I mean and it's like yeah it's a hard

it's a hard thing it's like that's the yeah so mate I completely you know what it's lovely to see that from you

I actually just wish that I'd given you more of a hug when I saw you you did give me a massive hug i know but the ferrari thing also no no that was i don't get me wrong it was a hug in amongst the sort of uh an online bullying campaign um okay here we go this is from the ginger squirrel dear rom tom and swan uh anon please your sweet sweet souls i'm a relevant newcomer to the pod and I've listened back for pretty much weeks.

I've only just got to the episode where Tom and Catherine have had their sweet, sweet daughter. Congratulations to you both. It made me think back to the time during lockdown with my three young children and my wonderful wife.

I honestly think the time we spent together, even amongst the economic uncertainty and doom, is a time I will forever treasure. My bond with my son was particularly prolific and despite my better judgment we

began playing fortnight together at seven i recognized whether he's too young but justified to myself that i loved games at his age and it was a cartoon level of violence um we played together every day and it was a great shared experience a few years later he's begun to play online with school friends and when i asked to play he's too polite to say no but clearly doesn't find the same level of enthusiasm we want shared how How do I get over this disappointment? Have you suffered something similar with your kiff and kin? Wow. Tommy D, I mean, I can't,

I find it hard to believe that Grace already has decided that she's sort of grown beyond you. Yeah, well, there's times actually, you know, there's genuinely times where I find something that I think is really funny and I like doing. Like a sort of silly voice or a face or sort of like just a way of messing about with her. And I think, oh, this is a great thing that she really seems to enjoy. And then like a day later, she's just grown

out of it. You're like, yeah, like making raspberries on the bottom of her feet. She used to absolutely adore that, Pissed herself laughing. And now it's like, oh God, he's doing that again. He loses her. You know, actually as well though, that strikes me a bit is, I think back to sort of times of my dad actually, like when I was younger and things like,

that I used to do with him. We used to play football together. We used to do a lot of that sort of stuff. And actually, I think that's actually it's actually made me feel a bit emotional I think time just flies past this is what I'm saying about treasuring moments

it's like yeah invariably times change and we don't there's no pause button and everything progresses and circumstances change it's an amazing thing that you shared that moment with him and yeah and and what's going to be the truly amazing moment and i'm not saying that we live in a wonder years kind of vibe i i really hope and pray and i'm

really really fucking going on this one for the day that your boy walks in and goes yeah dad you fancy going fortnight and that'll just do all the eggs that thing will walks in and goes, yeah, Dad, you fancy a game of Fortnite? And that'll just do it. All the eggs, everything will be worth it. I mean, it might not happen, but yeah, if it does. I mean, this is a great question for you. Well, I would say, Ginger Skrull, I have gone through exactly what you're going through. And so I've got three boys, 12, 10, and 7.

And each of them, I was talking about this with Tom yesterday, actually. Each of them require different levels of parenting. So our youngest, he loves playing video games with me. Every single time, any time I sit down, Dad, can we play video games? Dad, can we play video games? And so I go and I play video games with him. And our second son, Alex, will occasionally want to play video games, but he's sort of a bit more independent.

But what he likes to do is have a chat about the thing he's into. So at the moment, he's really into tech and he wants to be like a coder. So he'll start telling me about what he's been reading about and stuff like that, and we'll have a chat about that. And he actually enjoys telling me about what he's been reading about and stuff like that and we'll have a chat about that and he actually enjoys just telling me what he's discovered so and then our eldest son will occasionally he used to want to play video games with me all the time he doesn't now he's the same thing as what you're talking about he's he plays with his mates online but like tom said that's every now and again he'll go to me dad do you want me to destroy your fifa just it won't happen that often but every now and again he'll go to me dad do you want me to destroy you at fifa just it won't

happen that often but every now and again it happened but we talk about other shit like he's into hip-hop now and so we'll talk about albums and stuff like that and we'll like i think i talked about a few weeks ago we played badminton together you just do different stuff you just do different stuff and look the truth of it is and my mom said this to me about me and my brother and it is going to happen it will happen it happens to all parents your kids move on and get on with their lives and like tom said it happens really quickly but the disappointment and upset is something that only that you're suffering from i know it sounds bad but they're not suffering from it like i'll give an example when i went away for uh to do a travel show a few years ago one of my kids got really upset about me going away like it was horrible goodbye at the door like he was crying and really sad and it was just like i don't want you to go i don't want you to go it's

horrible and then i went um that sounds a bit heartless but anyway so i went to i went to do the show and then while i was away, I FaceTimed Lisa. And I said, can I speak to him? And she shouted out to him. And he goes, I'm just playing a game maybe a bit later. And he's playing a game with his mate, right? And part of you could go, oh, my God, that's so gutting. Like, he missed me.

Like, he was really upset at the door when I was going. And now he doesn't even want to speak to me. But I was happy because I thought, do you was going and now he doesn't even want to speak to me but i was happy because i thought do you know what even though he doesn't want to speak to me now i know that he's getting on with like you know he's like he's cool do you mean it's it's fine he's happy he was a bit upset when i was leaving but now he's totally all right and so look the truth of it is you're you're you're kids happy and just wait and and you'll find a different way to engage with them do you know what i I mean? And it's like, it just is how it is. But my opinion is you are, you do just as a parent,

you do just have to go through those things. Like our eldest son, he needs us less and less. I mean, Tom saw it when he, when you came round, like he's barely there. Do you know what I mean?

Like the younger two are like downstairs hanging out and he's just sort of off doing his thing. But when he does want to hang out it's amazing you know he'll go do you want to go town together or do you want to just hang out you want to watch tv together whatever all of those things it's really cool so look it's kind of inevitable but um what you've got to do is not agonize over the things that you used to do but sort of enjoy the things that you are doing now. You know, it'll be all good. Boom, boom. Boom, boom.

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Thank you, Lisa, for selecting an email that sort of really does, is like a dagger to the heart. OK, greetings to the wolf, owl, swan and cat. This is from the vegan vampire bat. Wow, a rhyme to start off. My question is concerned dreams. To set the scene, I don't usually remember most of my dreams. However, the other morning I woke up after having a peculiar dream that did stay with me.

I was being interviewed by Asad Ahmed from BBC London. I can't remember what the subject was, but every time he asked a question and I went to answer, my partner chipped in and answered it for me. I woke up feeling peeved but quickly saw the funny side. So once she was awake, I told my partner. She said that's odd because she'd had a weird dream too. We'd gone to see Romesh do a live show. There a break halfway through and when you came back on stage you were

totally naked and apparently you had such a lot of pubic hair it completely covered your junk so my my questions are do you remember your dreams ever dreamt anything that made it into one of your shows what do you think dreams are windows into alternative realities or just our brain sorting through our experiences and finally what the hell does my partner's dream mean peace and love the vegan vampire bat tommy d well dreams are i think a portal into another world that i think is going on in another realm maybe i don't know sometimes i think our dreams are just a, I don't know.

I think they're like a departure, like little films that just go on that only you can see that go on and like, yeah, through your mind's eye. Sometimes they're there to warn us. Sometimes they're there to fulfill us. And sometimes they're there to charm us. But I think in itself,

I think, do we, should we listen to dreams? Should we bear them any heed? No, I think they should we listen to dreams? Should we bear them any heed? No, I think they're just great for funny stories to tell people. I think that how you and your partner, I think it's a beautiful scene that I can see right now in front of me where you're just sitting there just telling each other this joke. Like, yeah, you're eating Rice Krispies,

which are some oatmeal because you're a vegan. And then both of you spitting them out and thinking about Romesh's heed of pubic hair. I think, yeah, I love dreams. I think dreams are fun, but you know what's terrifying? Like, I keep having a reoccurring thing where I wake up at, like, three in the morning, I think Grace is in bed with me,

and I can't find her in the bed. And it's fucking absolutely terrifying it's like literally the worst thing and then she's just fine in her bed but it's absolutely like fucking, like your heart's racing and you think she's like somewhere under the covers and you can't find her that's the worst but

yeah I think, I actually know what people say like they get bored when listening to people's dreams i love a conversation with people about people's dreams i think it's really good insight to know how their mind works if that's what i'm saying if you ever like me if we're in a situation we're out for dinner uh this goes out to anyone on here and you're like oh shit what should we talk about say you put away your favorite dream. There you go. So use it as a conversation starter, Vegan Vampire Bat. I sort of agree with Tom.

I don't agree with Tom that dreams are a portal into another reality. But I do think, well, I'm pretty sure that dreams are just your brain sorting through what's going on. Because just so often, first of all, is it true that, I'm pretty sure it's true that if you remember your dream, it means that your sleep wasn't that great right like like yeah um but but also the number of times i've had a dream and it's based on something that's happened like one of the things that i have really badly is um if i'm doing a sitcom it seems to happen with a sitcom more than anything else if i'm doing a sitcom i dream that i'm being filmed everything with everything i do and i sort of half awake thinking there's a crew filming me asleep and stuff like

that that's a recurring dream i know it's bad yeah and then also the other thing i had when i was a kid is i used to have a dream this is terrifying actually it happened to me it was a recurring dream i had a dream that i was like stuck in like a box. Jeez. And if I didn't get out of that box, I'd never wake up. So I sort of knew that I was dreaming. And so I had this like thing of like I had to smash my way out and wake up. And if I didn't, I would never wake up. And that's the, I had that all the time. It was horrible to go through, actually.

You know, talking about dreams as kids, you had the worst dream I ever had as a kid. Do you remember the old McDonald's adverts and the Hamburglar? Oh, yeah. I used to dream, I used to have nightmares that I'd wake up and he was at the end of my bed. Oh, no. Just sort of licking his fingers and just sort of like,

just like fucking up to no good. Yeah. Like terrifying, just sort of like, and then he'd run, like just, we like had flat roofs all behind the house. Yeah. And he used to just like, I'd go,

what are you doing? And then he'd just jump out and run down the flat roofs. Yeah. Lisa, Lisa once had a dream that, I think a lot of people talk about this,

but Lisa had a dream that I had a girlfriend and that I couldn't understand why she had a problem with it. I was just sort of going, yeah, she's coming. and then Lisa was going and I was going to you Lisa's going I was going to you but but hold on I'm your wife and you're going what are you being so what are you being so like out of order about this Lisa just my girlfriend just fucking chill out and it's so unusual it's literally the most un-new thing in the world And she said she couldn't help it,

but she felt like a bit of a antagonism towards me when she woke up just for a little bit. It does happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Catherine said that I've had that as well. I've woken up and my self esteem has been absolutely smashed a bit. Yeah. I've had that every day of my've woken up and my self-esteem's been absolutely smashed to bits. Yeah. I've had that every day of my life and it's nothing to do with my dreams. Thank you so much, Vegan Vampire Bat,

for a great email. Superstar. So funny, isn't it? Two people criticising local radio for being desperate for people to get in touch as we sit and spend half the podcast going through people's emails. OK. This is from The Penguin, and it says,

Hello, Wolf, Owl, Swan and Cat. I'm hoping you can help with our dilemma or even make me feel a bit better about the situation our son is four in july he has a speech delay and although he loves to play with others he still doesn't understand when he's allowed to when he is allowed to play with other children he still doesn't okay i don't understand that he has lots of friends at nursery but barely speaks when he's there however he talks at home his speech therapist believes this is mainly related to confidence he talks in small groups outside the nursery he's supposed to go to reception in september but nursery feel like

he should do another year with them to build his confidence and independence i don't know what to do i'm worried about separating him from his friends and how that will impact him i'm also worried that he may struggle to cope through school if he goes into reception when he's not ready he's not able to tell me what he wants to do i just feel like i'm letting him down either way thank you for making me smile. The Penguin. First of all, can I just say, The Swan, I don't know why you thought that we'd be qualified to tackle this problem.

However, as I'm saying that, Tom, a little kind of wry smile has spread across Tom Davis' face. Do you know what it is, Ron? As a little man, a little Jew, I had quite, I had like problems with hearing, eye sore problems, and like later in life, I've sort of been, you know, been told that,

yeah, I've got ADHD, but I have all these things, right? So you have these parts and and all of that sort of comes together to sort of culminate and make me who like you know the sort of mess that i am right now in a sense but um i think the truth when it comes to you number one you're not letting him down like that's completely get that out of your head because that you're this worried and you're that you're thinking of every angle and what's best for him is is exactly what parenting is and it's just what the best parents do and that's that's what you are you know but i guess i guess the thing would be to to listen to to what they're saying it is nursery i guess it's hard though because you know i've got

all this to come so i feel weird as romsseggs giving, you know, any kind of advice. But again, you know, it's what we're talking about. What we talked about today is like it's small wins all the time. And I think when your little man does start to show a bit more confident and start to sort of communicate and chat more, he can clearly communicate because he's got friends in the first place, as you've said. So I think, I guess you've got to listen to sort of you have that conversation with your partner

and work out what the best way forward you know i don't know man i feel like weird i can't i could without any good mind i can't sit and say i will do this or do that but i have no doubt that whatever you and your partner do will be the for the for him because yeah you sound like pretty epic people so uh i wish you well and i wish him well and he will be a g because he comes from g's uh very nice i sort of i sort of uh i've got to say i agree with tom on this um surprise surprise i mean i say that every time but not every time but um uh i look the truth of it is is uh you can only this is my opinion by the way i'm operating with no qualifications apart from being a parent myself but i think that um you can only you can only take make a decision based on

the information you've got in front of you and the the honest truth is in my opinion whatever you choose to do he will be fine so you're not letting him down either way at all whatever you choose to do he will be fine so you're not letting him down either way at all whatever you choose you're not letting him down you make a considered decision you do it if you decide to hold him back that will be fine if you put him into reception that will also be fine so i think you've got to do what your gut tells you the fact of the matter is you're thinking about this much which suggests that you know you care and you've got his best interest at heart and those are the people that are the best place to make this decision not the nursery not the school you take their advice but you do what you think's best and he will be absolutely fine so try if you

can absorb yourself with this concern about if you make the wrong decision this is going to be an absolute sort of disaster for him. That's going to set him on the wrong path forever. That isn't the case. So do, you know, just do what you think's best and that will be absolutely fine. And,

uh, well done for, for putting so much consideration into it, but please stop punishing yourself and agonizing about it. Uh, good luck. Uh, thank you,

Penguin. Right. Listen, listen. That's all we've got time for. A bit of a more low-key one, I think, this week? Yeah, I mean, I think TARDIS has played a big part, I've got to say, all of the times. Let me just try and digress.

Let me try and digress and sum this up in a nutshell. Yo, quitting sugar or alcohol or maybe even quitting salt or not putting on your food anymore we live in a society where we're always trying to better ourselves we're always trying to climb another mountain or seek another peak or transform just a little bit just to make us a more valuable commodity within a society in which we indulge. But the truth of the matter is, every now and again, we should stop.

Pull away from looking at selfies or pull away at what new car your favourite singer's got. Have a little look in the mirror. Look what you've become. Look at who you are. Many of us have waded through adversity to find ourselves on a beach of not great success, but just a blinding sun that burns down upon us, saying, yo, it's okay to be you. Change is good. You ain't always got to change the record to enjoy the song. Remember, you got this, you sweet, sweet self.

What wonderful, wonderful close to the show, Tom. Thank you so much. Yo, you better list out the competition, yeah? Yeah, what are the details of this competition? Oh, by the way, can I just say, I am currently sporting a Wolfenow Burrito Bar t-shirt. Loving it. Thanks for...

That neckline's nice. The head looks good. What is the competition? Actually, we haven't still got the information of what we saw yet. We're running a competition for a signed t-shirt, but we don't know the details of it. You'll have to wait for that. We're going to do another podcast, hopefully. This one's going to go out at the weekend. competition for a scientist but we don't know the details of it yeah so you'll have to wait for that well

we're going to do another podcast hopefully this one's going to go out the weekend we're going to do another one at the weekend it goes out Wednesday

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