Wolf and Owl - Episode 12

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

We’re talking… getting used to wearing jeans again, the mind-blowing genius of zips, personalised cards, buying gifts and unconventional uses for a cheese and onion pasty. Plus our old friends persnickety and Kreme both make a return appearance. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Have the crowd witnessing a murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows. Fuck their censorship. Let them see the whole thing. They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing. Dark enough to turn the sun to the Wolf and Owl podcast with me, the Al Ramosh Ranganathan, Tom Davis. Men dressed up as a bird and a dog I love the fact that you've come to this. So psyched. What a different ROM. You're fired up, man. We're both busting that sort of black hoodie look. It's kind of cool, man.

Yeah. It's good, yeah. I like a black hoodie. I do. Very concealing. Do you know, so last week, I don't know why that took me so long to fucking find that word last week when i was doing rangination right so i just been obviously this is a very cliche thing to say in lockdown but obviously i've been wearing living in track suits

right and so for rangination i've got to dress up relatively speaking I don't ever really dress really smart but you know make some sort of effort mate I went to pull on some jeans to do the Ranganation I felt like I was in Guantanamo or some shit they felt so restrictive and I was like

it was like my body had to reacquaint itself with what it was like to be restricted within denim. It was crazy, man. Mate, it's so weird. When we were doing the rehearsals, it took me like three days, five days, to get used to sort of wearing clothes

that weren't slobby clothes. Like now I've just had to step up my tracksuit game a little bit just because I'm like, you know. But wearing jeans and just having that fit, you know what I noticed is every time I sort of went to sort of like bend down or sort of lean down a little bit. Yeah. Like, I just felt like my butt was going to come out.

Like, butt cleavage was just going to come out. Mate, something really embarrassing. Like Jessica Rabbit. Something embarrassing happened to me last week, man. I hear it, I hear it. And I talked to you about it off the podcast. Yeah, I know. But it came to fruition, right?

So the first week of doing the Ranganation I was wearing a denim jacket with a shirt that was quite snug and I was sat in and obviously so I'm sat and fully exposed sat down and a lot of clothes

I've got clothes where they'll withstand a standing up if you're standing up and walking? It's just standing up for them and walking around. They look good, right? They don't hold up when they're under the rigour of my body seated, right? So what happened was, it's on Ranganation,

I've got the director Babs in my ear, okay? So I'm doing the show and she goes to me, Romesh, your jacket's riding up a bit so i'll pull it down right and she goes uh and she said it a couple of times now what i realize and i think i said this to you is it just was riding up so much that they couldn't you know like there's they can't keep going like jacket jacket jacket right so you've got to let it go she's got a show to direct she can't be fucking directing my wardrobe right anyway but it must have been coming up

enough like a considerable amount to sort of and number one let me just shout out babs because that is in our in our business a lot of the time people that wouldn't tell you that they just let you i've had it happen to me on a sofa where on a sunday brunch when we got hang out through the whole thing yeah and i just you know how i knew twitter everyone was just like oh yeah your stomach was hanging out no but that's the thing mate so like babs and by the way babs i love babs she's absolutely amazing right so you're right that she she is that is just one of a number of reasons why she's brilliant. So anyway, I did the show, finished, came home, sort of say to Lisa, you had a bit of an issue.

I don't even think I told her. I was just like, you know, hopefully that'll be all right. I didn't think of it. I didn't think anything of it. Anyway, the show comes out. I get sent a clip, and I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking, what is going on in this clip man and I look at the clip and just at the bottom of my jacket and shirt there's a little bit of just my gut you can see

it's got direct hotline to my overhang right like my little muffin top yeah so like I start watching it now I'm looking at going is there any any way? So you know what your brain does. I was looking at it going, is there any way that that could be confused for like maybe brown belt leather? Like maybe that just looks like a belt, right? And I thought, well, I don't know. And I just thought, well, fuck it. Who cares?

I mean, it was a good show. I enjoyed the record gives a shit and then i just left it and then maybe two days after they repeated it and i get the mess i get a message going just watching the ranganation slightly distracted by your stomach like your tummy tummy. Tummy, it was tummy. Tummy is a really, like, emasculating word to say to a grown man. If you,

like, if you turn around and say, oh, we've got a sickly tummy. But also, but also, aesthetically,

like, if Chris Hemsworth has his top off, nobody goes, look at his tummy. You don't describe, yeah, exactly,

look at his stomach, look at his abdomen, look at his six pack. They don't say, look at his tummy. You don't describe... They say, look at his abs. Look at his stomach. Look at his abdomen. Look at his six-pack. They don't say, look at his tummy. Look at that sexy washboard stomach. As soon as I saw the word tummy, I thought, not only have I identified it, it's not a good look.

But the truth is, I'm going to be honest with you, it was actually quite a... I just didn't care. I just sort of thought, well... Yeah, but you know what I'm seeing from you in this?. It was actually quite a, I just didn't care. I just sort of thought, well, yeah, but you know what I'm seeing from you in this? It's quite nice in a way.

Cause it feels like you sort of, you feel quite sexy and you still feel like you feel in yourself quite free. That's what I do. Respect that. No, it's so much respect about you. Cause it's like, I was,

when you started this story, I was like fucking hell man i'm gonna have to pick pick rom up here because like that's just fucking hot like yeah and i've been there but at the end of it you're like you you basically turned to me and you're like but tom man i don't care i felt free and i felt no i didn't know no no no no no no no i didn't care because i just sort of think even if my shirt and jacket were covering my stomach i i don't look good so who gives a shit do you mean wait i i i genuinely i'm with you on that shit yeah i find it so hot like i know that i've got seven weeks now filming king gary coming up

and so much of that is done in dressing gowns and with ill-fitting tight t-shirts so yeah i'll completely i'm gonna tell you completely i'm gonna tell you something i'm gonna tell you something now man and i think i've said it to you before i know that you and i both have our fair share of body issues and stuff like that i think you always look great and you always you own your look man i really respect how you look so look i'm just telling you that that's that's how i feel about it that's's very kind of you, mate. But, mate, you bust,

you know, you've got a fucking good vibe. I actually genuinely like, you know, a lot of your clothing and a lot of your style, man, I pick up from you.

Actually, I want to talk to you about something on this basis. Because, no, I've just got frustrated over the last few days with saying it's just

genuinely driving me fucking mad. And that is, I think it should be illegal to make tracksuit bottoms without zips on mate a hundred percent fucking hate it hate it like i like genuinely to the point where i'm like i'll say this now in a podcast anyone who's listening who is fucking over six foot five needs some tracksuit bottoms i've a shit ton. I don't want them in my home. I don't want them anywhere near me.

I'm done with them. Like, do you know when you get in your car, you've got your fucking phone in one pocket, your keys, or a little bit of loose change, your card. I'm constantly just reaching down the back of the sofa. Can I tell you something? To people that make tracksuit bottoms,

if you're making tracksuit bottoms without zips on the pocket, do you know what you're doing? You're contributing to anxiety levels because when i'm wearing when i'm wearing a pair of track seat bombs yes i don't have zips on the pocket i have to look for my wallet about 17 times that day i have to look for my keys 25 times every fucking you just go oh hold on a minute oh it's not there right where have i been over the last hour? I mean, you've got to fucking retrace yourself. Because these pricks can't put a zip on a pocket.

Yeah. It's a fucking joke. Do you know, it's laziness. It's like genuine laziness. And you know what now? We're in a time where we're buying fucking tracksuit bottoms. And they're not like cheap now, tracksuit bottoms. It's like, genuinely, like, I'll tell you what,

big props to Adidas. Going to shout out Adidas, because actually a lot of Adidas bottoms are coming with a sweet, sweet zip now. Even the more sort of like, you know, more comfy bottoms. Okay, what's going on with you in Adidas? No, I'm just saying. Have you been sent some Adidas stuff?

No, I haven't. I wish in my dreams. But you know what? This breaks my heart to say this go on fuck you nike whoa fuck you night great trainers great trainers but would you be sending out trainers without shoelaces don't send out for nike fuck it i'll tell you what it's like literally right it's like gold dust trying to find a fucking pair of night bottoms with uh with a zipping so yeah i you know what dust trying to find a fucking pair of night bottoms with a zipping. So, yeah. You know what?

Like, when you pull on a pair of tracksuit bottoms, you put, I've got one of those little, you know, the little metal wallets that you slip the cards in with, like, proper slimline. I've seen you with it. I've seen you with it. Yeah, yeah. You've shown everyone. You've seen me with it. You've shown everyone.

You're showing it off on the set of King Gary. Shut up. Shut up. Can you imagine that? god do you know what you've actually you've actually made me feel sick thinking about the imaginary me doing that even though i know it's not true even though i know it's not true i sort of got a slight bit of anxiety thinking about an alternate reality like a sliding doors moment just Just you walking up to like me and a couple of the grips and just going, you alright boys? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, just, yeah, obviously there's a lot of credit card fraud and stuff going and people can just put this little metal wallet, it's great. So I couldn't help noticing you've got quite a large sort of bulge in your pocket there. Is that because, are you carrying an orthodox wallet? Is that what's going on there? No, a lot of people can just chip and chip and trace them yeah so no it's

good it's good like if you notice there look i've got my wallet in my pocket it's not changing my silhouette at all is it and that's because people start calling you billy metal wallet but you know when you put you put on your track you put in billy metal you pull on your track sit bottoms you put your wallet in you put your keys in you zip up your pockets you feel great you're relaxed oh mate it's such a big deal such a big deal and and you know what i you know look i think it's fair to say we can put big up brands on here we can also yeah we can stone island stone island uh tracksuit bottoms no zips but cost a fortune yeah so you know look at that guys just think about it tracksuit bottom people i don't know why i referred to you as a

group as that i mean that's well i'd like to think that there is a group of people who work within like that's the thing that really excites me about the world is if there is people who get together and there's like a little forum they'll just chat about tracksuit bottoms and the ones that they they must have they must have a meeting right that they... They must have a meeting, right? So they sit down and have a meeting about what they're going to have, how they're going to design these tracksuit bottoms. And so it's plausible to assume

that during that chat, they go, should we put zips on the pocket? And therefore, somebody has said no. And you are a... All right? It's literally someone sitting at the fucking end of the table like lyle or someone and they're like and lyle these are great new um designs we love the tapered leg um really really nice very soft feel uh and obviously you're gonna go the whole hundred yards and you're gonna um you're gonna put zips on them no no no why

wouldn't you put zips on them lyle just no, no. Why wouldn't you put zips on them, Lyle? Just can't be bothered. It just feels laziness. Yeah. Are you trying to make a saving? Yeah. Why would you not? Nobody's gone. Do you know what's really annoying

about these tracksuits? The zips on the pocket. Nobody. No one in history has ever complained about a zip. I'll tell you what. I would love to fucking buy the person who invented zips

a big old pint. Because actually, that's someone who's very much underrated in our society. Yeah, I'm sure the person who invented zips a big old pint. Because actually, that's someone who's very much underrated in our society. Yeah, I'm sure the person that invented zips is desperate for someone to buy him a pint. Yeah, but that, do you know his name? What? I don't know. YKK?

No one knows his name, but he's literally one of the most important people in life ever. Yeah, he basically trumped buttons. At one point, you'd be fucking, we'd be going, oh cool, we don't get buttons on our tracksuit bottom pockets.

And this is a guy who comes along and goes, no, I've invented something better than that. That's what really annoys me. We know all these other people like Picasso and stuff,

right? But the guy who invents zips gets nothing. Well, I imagine he got a shit ton of money for it. I mean, he's not got nothing, has he? Well, I imagine he got a shit ton of money for it. I mean, he's not got nothing,

has he? Well, I bet he's not as rich I don't think when he was sat there making, inventing a zip or whatever he's doing,

I think he's saying, I hope this makes me famous. Yeah, but this is my annoyance with fame. It's like, no one knows this poor guy. What do you mean, poor guy?

No, man or woman, it could be either. No, I'm not saying that. What I mean is, it's like, why are they poor?

Why have you assumed that they've got luck and they're having a bad time? Because they've done, they've done something amazing for the whole of society, for the whole of humanity. Yeah.

Right? They've genuinely done something that I think, I can't even put into words, but if I was, I'd say it was splendid what they've done. You couldn't put it into words,

but if you could, you'd use one was splendid what they've done. You couldn't put it into words, but if you could, you'd use one word and that word is splendid. Yeah. No, but it's... I would like to just meet his ancestors. Why? Just to get to know them.

Just because I just think they're an amazing group of people. His ancestors? Yeah. Do you know what ancestors are? Yeah. His kids and his nieces and nephews. No, no, no.

He's not. Oh, right. If I'm on a train heading anywhere in the world, right, I'm sitting there on my own, I'm just having a little chill out. A guy comes in,

a girl comes in, someone comes and sits opposite me,'re like oh my name's claire or bruce or danny or whatever right i'm like how you do we get chatting they say oh my uncle invented the zip i'm like you sit there right for a second because i'm going down to the drinks cart and i'm buying you an ice cold glass of wine can of stella and if you want some food that's on me too and then you'll sit down and you'll go and she'll go why And then you'll sit down and you'll go, and she'll go, why are you buying me this stuff? And you'll go, because I've always wanted to meet an ancestor of someone who invented the zip. And she'll go, you don't know what ancestor means, do you?

Because ancestors are people that come before you, right? Your great-granddad is an ancestor. Your niece is not one of your ancestors. LAUGHTER I'm just imagining you sitting down all proud of yourself. You've got a glass of wine. Enjoy that, girl. You have that.

Because you don't know how many scrapes your Uncle Billy got me out of. You're one of his ancestors any family of his family of mine no i'm his niece oh fuck i never knew that for years i've called myself one of my father's ancestors lots of other people you haven't have you well yeah that's how i use ancestors that's always how i've used it okay i was ancestors was basically a fancy name for family member no like kin yeah Kin is good. Yeah. Now, while we're on this subject, I owe you a huge apology.

I've been looking forward to this all week, actually. Okay. I owe you a massive apology. Now, last week on A Wolf An Owl, you know when people talk about egg on their face? I basically fucking opened a fucking chicken shed of eggs and pulled them all over my body right i'll tell you why we had the discussion last week about pernickety right now somebody in an email used the word persnickety okay yeah um i mean you

said i love that word i absolutely love that word one of the great one of the one of the world's impression one of the world's great words or whatever right and i said it's pernickety and when you said well i think it should be cool i think it should be persnickety i think i prefer persnickety and then i went into my usual sort of clambered onto my high horse and i ripped into you about it, right? And we talked about language, the evolution of language. And you said, well, you know, persnickety is a better word. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I have since been informed, right,

that not only is persnickety a word, right, not only is it actually a word, it is, it did develop exactly as you explained it right so the americans americans took the word pernickety and they started saying persnickety and so now pernickety and persnickety are both words so so basically what i'm gonna say it's deeper than just that one word isn't it how do you mean what you are saying well no we get to this, you know, we come here quite a lot. Before you carry on, I am going to let you finish this point. I just want to say, I have thrown myself at your feet here,

metaphorically speaking, in apology. I've been fully committed to this apology. And what you're about to do, I don't know what you're about to say, but it feels like you're about to take that and make it bigger for some reason. You're not satisfied that I've frustrated myself in front of you now. You now got to take it one step further.

Go on. Listen, I know how hard it is for you, right, to sit astride your high horse, right, to pull him to a stop, to pull your little feet out of his stirrups right to clamber off on down him and then from there clamber onto the floor with your high horse staring at me going oh god he's done it again and me having to sort of look down at you you know sort of like looking a little bit sad on the floor look mate i'm not gonna fucking make you feel bad about this what i I will say is this, this is bigger than persnickety and pernickety, right?

The fact of the matter is, my knowledge of how society works actually was bang on. And it was, yeah. How can you say that not three minutes after explaining that someone's niece is their ancestor? It's an incredible move by you, I've got to say. For you to take...

By the way, for you to guess that persnickety exists, as a word, right, pure guess, to turn that into the statement that you understand society better than me is a fucking, a bold bold move even by the wolf standards yeah but you know what i'm saying you understand that look i not only knew that

persnickety in a way was a word right but also that how it evolved and that and that look mate this is the thing about you right you're a fucking great guy right but sometimes you know you're a bit like a stuffy old professor like an old dean at high school in america and you know yeah the way you see the world and you know it's all quite sort of like rigid and then you've got this free spirit i'm not a hippie by any means but i'm coming in and i'm fucking i'm challenging society right and that's jesus christ it's just $4.99 you can get a Subway 6-inch Black Forest ham sub made with our new fresh-sliced

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to create Echo thanks its presenting partner Sun Life and its official partners Air Canada and Mastercard I mean I know you're doing it to wind me up but even despite knowing that what you're doing is rank if we were teachers at the

same school right yeah you'd be walking around and i imagine you had like an old sports jacket on and a pair of sort of like what would you what would you what would you wear as a teacher i'd wear a leather jacket and a pair of like quite sort of cool ripped jeans god can i tell you something can i used to work as a teacher and you were that type of teacher, absolutely the biggest prick at a school. Usually worked in drama. Usually asked the kids to call them by their first name.

Absolute piece of shit. That's what I do. That's what I do. Awful, mate. Awful. But you'd be literally like, I'm going to bloody get even with him. That's how I see it anyway.

Like, you know, you'd be sitting in the staff room with your cup of sort of like instant coffee, you know, shaking at the hilt with anger because I'm there, buddy, just laughing and joking in the playground, doing like body popping or whatever. Oh, mate. You and your leather jacket, body popping with all the kids. And then everyone Doing like body popping or whatever. Oh, mate. You and your leather jacket,

body popping with all the kids. And then everyone's going, oh, Mr. Davis. You know, Twat Davis? He's out there. Remember to call him Tom because he's one of the cool kids. Oh, look.

LA. Oh, yeah. All right, kids. Tom's out again. Tom's going to do a little bit of a bus out the Caterpillar for you boys, shouldn't I? Did you ever join in sports day when you were a teacher?

No. I mean, I went to sports days. I didn't join in. No, but I thought it was not a teacher parent race. That all stopped by the time. I did play and I did used to play in like the sixth form staff football game. So how was that? I had a bit of a bad.

Basically, I mean, this isn't, I was playing for the staff team and the PE teacher, the head of PE there, he was the deputy head at the school, he said to me, can you play for the staff team

tonight? And I'm shit at football. And I said to him, I said to him, I don't really know, man, like, I'm not really,

I'm not really up for it. And he goes to me, look, we need numbers. He goes, what about if I put you on as a sub and I'll only bring you on if it's absolutely necessary? And I said, all right, fine. So I turned up

and it must have been 87 minutes into the game and he was playing up front and he pulled up without hammy issue and he just sort of like signaled to me to come on right so i go on can i just interject yeah quickly here sure i'm so hoping and this is one of your best mates at the end of this story you score an amazing goal and win the game well so we're i think we were like two one down or something like that right so oh man so our winger

or something like that, right? Oh, man. So our winger, Mr. Bagnall, playing on the left wing, he's like, he gets the ball and he charges up the pitch, right? And I run into the box completely unmarked, right? Because they think I'm a sucker, right? They're not going to bother to mark me,

these six formers. He crosses the ball in, right? Quite low. And it's coming towards me and as it comes towards me i think to myself i wonder how i'm going to celebrate this right and as i do that i shin it over the crossbar i mean it it was it was more difficult to miss it than score that's like it was like pretty much open goal and it went over the crossbar. At which point, right,

the whole crowd, staff, parents, students, all just started like jeering and booing me, right? Why would they do such a horrible thing? Because it was just so embarrassing. It was such a screw up. Yeah, but jeering and booing. I mean, it was like sort of slightly panto,

but like, and then they started I mean, it was sort of slightly panto, but like... Yeah, yeah. And then they started going... What did they start going? Get off, Rangers! Get off, Rangers! Because that's what they used to call me. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

The other thing I wanted to say to you is, so today I've been filming Rob and Rom. So, first, apology. Secondly, a thank you. Because i was filming rob and rom today i had a bit of a like a long week on ranga nation and we normally do the uh we normally do the podcast and the bonus ep at the same time right so it's sort of like two and two and a bit hours or whatever and you text me today and i i'd spoken to you about doing the podcast and you text me today. And I'd spoken to you about doing a podcast and you text me today and you said, let's do the bonus one another night.

Have yourself a bit of chill out time. It was such a thoughtful and wonderful thing to do. And you've made my evening a lot easier. So I just wanted to say thank you for that, man. Mate, it's genuinely okay. As I've said on this podcast before, we break each other's nuts. But I do genuinely worry about you.

I don't think you've ever said those words. What, breaking? Yeah, probably. Well, we sometimes break each other's nuts on this podcast. But also, I do worry about you. I know how hard you work. And I thought also, if you're working tomorrow, it's Valentine's Day tomorrow.

Hopefully, you've got Lisa a card and a gift. Have you got Catherine a gift and a card? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course I have. What did you get her? Just some nice earrings, like a little bit of jewellery, and just a card, one of those Moon Pig ones. What do you think of these? It's a funny word.

What do you think of these? Because it was Lisa and my anniversary a couple of weeks ago, and I got her one of those Moon Pit cards. With her face on it? No, it was like a beach scene. You know where people put their names in the sand, and it was just like Lisa loves Romesh, or Romesh loves Lisa. I can't remember which word.

Oh, that's cute. You know, genuinely, right? I felt a little warmth just run through my veins then when you said that. It was very cute. Thank you. Yeah yeah she liked it but uh what I was going to say is do you think the novelty of that kind of personalized card now I mean it's so easy to do and you order it and it and within a day like the next day it arrives do you not think like is it I think it's up there with a person who invented zips wow you think you think. You think the personalized greeting card is up there with zips?

Yeah, of course it is. Remember how many times in your life you forgot cards? I'll tell you also, it's not just cards. You might get presents there as well. Okay, we're sort of less talking about Moon Pig and more about the internet in general, aren't we now? No, the Moon Pig, you can get roses. You can get both roses, as in the chocolate roses,

and they've done a deal with roses, Cadbury's. You can get roses on there, and you can also get flowers as in roses. Mate, I tell you, look, whoever thought that out, I just think it's one of the most generous and free people you'll ever meet. I don't understand your sort of attitude to the corporate world. In your head, any celebrity that advertises a product is scum unless they regularly use it.

But if they've invented this, if they've made this company that sells personalised cars and have done a deal to also top load your order with other shit, like chocolates and that, they're a saint. They're doing society a service. It's so mad. Yeah, because that comes from a very good person who suits that. No, do you know what it is? It's people

feeding on your desperation. Right? What happens is they know that you'll be on the website, you've ordered a card. If you're ordering a card close to the event, you're probably shitting yourself a little bit. This is the trouble with you. What do you mean?

This is where me and you are yin and yang. I see a really decent person who's stepped in to help people who go, oh, bloody hell, it's my niece's birthday. What am I going to do? Moon pig. That's what I think is like there. It's there now. It's in our society.

You go, oh, great. Boom, boom, boom. The next day, you get a video message with your niece going, oh, thank you for the picture card. It's there now. It's in our society. You go, oh, great. Boom, boom, boom. The next day, you get a video message with your niece going, oh, thank you for the picture card. It's amazing. Little did they know that you ordered it the day before. Years ago, you'd never have been able to do that. So someone has stepped in and gone,

I don't ever want anyone not to have a birthday card on their birthday. Okay. And this is what I'm going to do. Okay, listen. That might have been how this came about, right? That might have been the inception of Moonpick. I don't think everyone that works there, all the printers and stuff, have got these.

No, I'm not suggesting you're asking that. My problem is not with the cards themselves. It's with the other thing you're talking about, the chocolates and the wine bottle and all that shit. That is exploitation to a degree. It's commercial exploitation. And I'll tell you why. You can't tell me they're putting that on there

because they're trying to help people out. You can't believe that. I mean, you make a valid point. I personally think that their heads are, that these people have forgotten cards. They've probably forgotten presents as well so you can get like a fluffy let's let's help them out by putting another product on and putting a markup on there that's arguably immoral right so this poor

service stations romesh they're there to fool people that's what i make you know there's some things right like don't get me wrong you get big commercialization I'm with you on that right but there's also things that have been out there to help us as human beings but but what I'm saying is give us a leg what I'm saying to you is is that I think they're a company that are trying to make money right and I've got no issue with that because that's just, we've all got to make a living somehow. They've spotted an opportunity. They're doing it. What my issue with what you're saying is I don't think they're like Jesus, which is how you're talking about.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not comparing them to like, I think, right. Listen, I think they probably looked at the guy who invented zips and thought no one

even knows a fellow's name. Right. And that's let us be known synonymously as the people who get stuck in and help people in the birthday cult. Can you get birthday cards all around the world with Moonpick? I don't know. I mean, I hope so. Why?

If not, they should definitely do that. I'm just thinking, I haven't got any family I have to send there. If I do have a friend at some point who lives in America and I need to send them a birthday card, it'd be good to know. Yes, sure. Maybe you should email them and tell them. Now. I'm just thinking.

There's something else I need to talk to you about. Okay. I messaged Crispy. I'm not the donut company. Right. Now. Now, last, if you listen to the bonus episode, you will know that Tom and I had a situation

where Tom thought that Krispy Kreme was pronounced Krispy Krem. And I believed it to be Krispy Kreme. I say believed it is pronounced Krispy Kreme. And we played a YouTube advert or an advert or whatever. And it turns out it was Krispy Kreme. Now, at that point, Tom was enraged. He said he didn't want to buy donuts from them again. And he said, I feel sorry for the poor person.

They obviously was supposed to be Krispy Kreme, right? But this poor person that named it Krispy Kreme has now had his name bastardized by people calling it Kreme, right? That's what you said. Okay. Now. Yeah. And off the back of that, I said I'd get in touch with Krispy Kreme.

Now I've done that and they have responded. Okay. What? Yes. So. Well, the guy who owns them. No, it's somebody from the company. All right.

All right. I mean, fucking hell, mate. You're asking a lot, aren't you? Getting in touch with the original guy that did it. Oh, I just got excited for a minute. Okay. So I've said, I messaged him and I said, we've been talking about you on our podcast. I didn't bother naming the podcast, it was unnecessary detail.

Was Krispy Kreme originally meant to be pronounced creme? I said. Yeah. Hey, Ramesh, hope you're well. We've always been pronounced as cream. Vernon Rudolph founded Krispy Kreme in North Carolina when he purchased the recipe from a French chef and produced the first Krispy Kreme donuts in 1937.

Hope this sorts out your query. Regards, Krispy Kreme. Right, number one, I'm seething with you for not saying what the name of the podcast is because that's a listener we've lost. Well, let's hope they don't listen after the way you fucking put the boot in on the company last week.

Well, if you thought that was bad, I actually think that fucking Rudolph... What's his name? Rudolph Vernon. No, Vernon Rudolph. Vernon Rudolph. Vernon Rudolph, right? That French shit... Have you ever been to France? Yes. Right. When you speak to French people, how you ever been to France? Yes. Yeah, right.

When you speak to French people, how do they pronounce cream? I have been to France. For you to assume that means that I've talked to a French person about cream is a weird jump. But no, right. If you know anyone French, I implore you now, my friend, to as soon as this podcast is over, to get them to voice note them just saying the word cream, because it will sound something like this.

Cream. Cream. Cream. What is the... I like the taste of cream. I assume you're arriving at a point. Can you tell me what it is? Yeah, because the French pronounce cream as creme. Do you know the chocolate eggs with the fondant filling? Yeah. Yes. What do you know the uh do you know the chocolate eggs with the fondant filling yeah yes what do you call those uh cabri's creme eggs

right that's again actually the thing about this that really bothers me the most is that is that we have all these long discussions about fucking whether ancestors of like nieces and nephews or whether granddads and grandmothers and whether rhinos or should be called rona yeah we and and look i'm always up for discussing i as i say you know i'm out there in my leather jacket fucking body popping i'm a free spirit but the thing that annoys me is you even yourself said correct i mean, look, I've had a lot of messages from people supporting, also saying they won't be having Krispy Kreme donuts again. Tom, first of all, you've just lied.

There's absolutely no way that people say, I'm not going to be having Krispy Kreme donuts anymore. Okay? So that's bullshit. Second of all, right, why is this such a big deal to you? Because it just annoys me. Because I feel now... But you're getting annoyed by your own mistake. You should

be annoyed at yourself. It's like me going to you, what's your name? And then you go, Tom. And I go, how do you spell that? And you go, T-O-M. And I go, I think that should be pronounced Tome. I think it's fucking ridiculous that you call yourself Tom. But do you know what? I don't think we could be friends if you're gonna if you're gonna insist that that's what your name is yeah right the fact of the matter is i've been in

crispy creme right and i've called it you haven't been in creme i'm gonna tell you yeah i've been in crispy cream correct i think crispy cream sounds cheap and horrible okay but fine listen that is a valid opinion okay it absolutely is a valid opinion what it isn't is something to get angry about in your opinion in your opinion it would be better if it was called crispy creme yeah right in your opinion i there's a part of me right where i always work on like having a goal and having an ambition there's a part of me that is going to work fucking hard for the next five ten 10 years, as hard as I can, and try and buy Krispy Kreme and turn it into Krispy Kreme.

I mean, that's a hell of an ambition, that in 10 years' time you're going to buy out Krispy Kreme. Well, I think if I can bring the price down by really bad-mouthing them around the way. Let's put that to one side. Your name is Shue. They are great donuts, though, right? Yeah, they're the best donuts in the world.

Okay, so I don't really, you know, Let's put that to one side. Your name is shit. They are great donuts though. Yeah, they're the best donuts in the world. So I don't really, you know, it feels weird to me that you're going to let that go on the sake of a name technicality. I know how much you love your food. Yeah, I just feel it just feels, I don't know, maybe the illusion's just gone and it's just not worth it. It's like anything else in life. You believe in something and you think it's going to be fucking there forever

and actually isn't really the thing that you thought it was. And that's just getting older. Or the thing is exactly as you thought it was. It's exactly the same. Absolutely nothing's changed. You've just had a mistake pointed out to you and it's not the apocalyptic thing

that you're making it out to be. I mean, that's the other way of looking at it, isn't it? Yeah, I guess that we've probably both got a point that we should move on. I think one of us has right you ready for some emails yes

yeah yeah let's do it okay let's pull the scab off this baby email time okay um this email was sent i mean first of all i would say to you this the first thing that struck me about this email is it was sent at 5 0 5 a.m wow wow so that's someone who's getting up early or staying up late right yes yes those are the two options i'd say it's like doing a podcast with Luther it's genuine happens if we record on a Saturday night

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because well okay because he's a trainee teacher right and i think i think by putting his name on this he's underestimated how how kids can kids can find you right like when i was right you know so i used to teach at the school that you used to go to, not at the same time, right? Yeah. But I used to teach at the Beacon, right? And I was head of sixth form there. And just before I joined the Beacon, I did a new act comedy competition, right, in Brixton.

I can't remember what it was called. And so I did this gig and it was like, I was'd I was really really new right and and so I didn't really know what I was doing but you know just started doing stand-up and this competition there was about three people in the audience or something like that right it was like you know it's proper like you know one of those where you rock up and you go okay yeah you've got to bring a friend yeah yeah one of them right so I took Lisa poor cow and um anyway i did the gig and then for some reason they decided to put this gig up on youtube without checking with everyone i didn't even know they were filming it right really i hadn't paid attention right yeah yeah so anyway one of

the jokes in the set right was yeah a bit about how shrillank how petrol stations always got Sri Lankan people working there. So I talked about when I was at uni and I hadn't managed to pull and I was feeling a little bit sorry for myself and horny. So I'd go down to the 24-hour petrol station to buy myself a little jazz mag and then my uncle Raj would be working behind the counter like some guy.

And then I'd say, and so I couldn't buy a mag then, I'd have to buy like a cheese and onion pasty and then the punch line is and do something with that right so the idea is I'm sort of wanking into a pasty right so very early on in my career as a kind of closer for my set right anyway closer wow imagine yeah I know I know imagine so imagine this imagine this right imagine this I am at the school that I am head of sixth format. I'm teaching my year 10 class. I'm handing out textbooks.

And one of the kids says to me, Mr. Ranganathan, can I ask you a question? And I go, yeah. And he says, do you like cheese and onion pasties? Whoa. Wow. Bravo to that young man, but wow. And then I go,

I go, what? And he goes, do you like cheese and onion pasties? I said, they're all right. And he goes, all right, just wondering. And then I was like, oh. That's such a kid way

of doing stuff as well. Yeah, incredible, but incredible. And it's obviously gone around the class. He's basically, he's gaslit you. Yeah, 100%. Right?

And then for the rest of the lesson like a couple kids are going are you but you do like you do like pasties don't you sir don't you right you give them an inch now they're taking a mile yeah i'm getting terrorized right the whole time at this point mate i don't know that this has happened this youtube thing right so right so this is my first discovery of that this might be in the public domain is this kid asking me the question right so then i've got to teach the rest of the lesson thinking fuck this could be like a rat across the whole school now for all i know jimmy like you know i don't know how widespread this cheese and onion pasty wank fest is so like as soon as

the lesson finishes i sprint to my off i say sprint i walked with purpose to my office right i look and i find that you're running sir where are you running to so you've got a cheese in your pasty waiting in the office for you to give a good seeing to you dirty bastard um sort of running through trying to avoid like knocking kids over with my flailing leather jacket and i get into my office right and i and i sit down and these pricks have put up on youtube i shat myself mate i emailed the competition i said you need to take this down immediately i've got legal representation they're gonna like you know blah blah thankfully later on that day they took it down but it was too late by then teachers

other teachers i was new at the school other teachers had seen it like all the students had seen it i ended up having to go to speak to the head teacher about it well because you're getting bullied no i wasn't grassing anyone up i had to explain i had to explain to her why her new header six form had a video online they've been talking about wanking into a pasty yeah but obviously yeah you were getting teased by everyone and it's not teased i was not teased i'm worried about my job the reputation of the school but all the kids and everyone are basically it's like a guy that this is what i'm talking about like i fucking just wish i was there with you at that time.

Because I would have had your back. That would have been so weird. What, I'm teaching a lesson and you're what, stood just at the front of the classroom. Yeah,

but sometimes you need a buddy of like someone looking out for you. I'd have said just, and you should have owned it and just gone, yeah, I like wanking to a pasty.

That's how you would have handled that. Well, no, I mean, I certainly wouldn't have been sprinting around the school crying my eyes out

to the head teacher. I didn't cry my eyes out. I got it taken down. The staff had found out about it. I ended up having to go and speak to them. What did the staff say? Did you have to speak to everyone about it? They thought it was funny.

Do you know what I mean? It's a good joke. No, not the joke is funny. Not the joke. They didn't say the joke was funny. The whole situation. They thought the situation was funny. Not the joke. They didn't say the joke was funny. The whole situation. They thought the situation was funny. I'll tell you what, man.

That just shows you the mental endeavour of children. They've literally known that you're coming in. You've not even been there that long. And they've straight away Googled you, found you. I'll tell you what, man. They're fucking, you know. And they've owned you. Mate, if I was those kids, you know and they've and they've owned you mate that

if I was if I was those kids you know what I'd have done what I'd tell Mr. Ranganathan can we have a well with you after class

and you'd have been like yeah okay yeah bloody hell and then as I said I know about

the video about what you do with cheese and onion pasties and if you don't give me A's for all of these lessons, you'll bloody know. I mean, there's a couple of things to pick up on there.

First of all, you don't give students grades for every lesson. All right? That doesn't happen. That has ever happened. All right? Secondly, I'm not responsible for the eventual GCSE grade. Do you know how exams work? I didn't do my GCSEs.

What they could have done is they could have asked for money, I suppose. Yeah, they could have done that. But then I reckon grades are better than money. Or they could have got you to do their exam for them. Yes, and how would that have sort how do you envision that planning out well you could have snuck into the like security room where

all the papers are right and like just sort of found like the kids in question and then they're exactly i mean actually this is quite a cool film if you think about it. Yes, and the climactic scene is a man sitting at a desk doing an exam paper. He was a teacher. He was a wannabe stand-up comedian. Yeah, and then my uncle Roger's working there. And then what are you going to do? What are you going to do?

I had to ask for cheese and onion pasty. Until one day, his kids found out, listen, Mr Ranganation, if you don't do our exams for us, we're going to come clean and tell the administration what you're all about. Oh, no, you can't do that. One man, six exam papers.

Six? This is tested. Oh, dear. Oh, we haven't done the fucking email, we all right come on then so so the email is help me out please i'm a trainee teacher and i'm going for a really tough time with the online learning extravaganza us teachers have to deal with as a former teacher um that's me obviously how would you but it's this is the both of us how would you deal with a group full of arrogant students who you know full well are unworthy of your time,

who persist to ignore any form of question you ask, but love to cause controversial debate via chat on the online chat function? I need answers. Number one, fucking go down to the level, mate. What does that mean?

Because he thinks you're superior to them and better than them. Yeah, I mean, I would, listen, I am not saying that you should not be a teacher and i'm not saying that you're you're not going to be good at teaching what if this is a good idea just quickly sorry to interrupt right what about you like this i think what if he pretends he's a new kid in the school and makes a fake profile he makes a new kid yeah like and he just comes in called i don't know you know luke robinson right and he's like hey guys yeah i'm luke i'm a new kid i don't know what else what else that you know but you know what do we all

think of that teacher and if he looks quite harsh about him and then turns around and goes actually i think he's all right that could work so what so so this kid's about him and then turns around and goes, actually, I think he's all right, that could work. So this kid's being horrible and then this new kid goes, actually, I think he's a really good bloke. Yeah. If he said, oh, the other week, a bunch of kids. No, no. I'm just saying that this is the things you've got.

No. Are you? I was in the middle of giving this guy genuine advice and you've come up with this thing about dressing up as a kid and... Dressing up? They're in a chat room. Oh, they're in a chat room. Right, sorry, right, okay, okay.

I mean, he could dress up if he's getting into character. They're in a chat room. Right. He says it's an online teaching course, right? No, no, no, it's not an online teaching course. It's like he's teaching on Zoom and you know you've got the chat function on there. Yeah, all right.

Gotcha. So he's getting heckled on that chat function. Yeah, but okay. So what he could do is go, Hi, guys. You know, today we're joined with new pupil by the name of Luke Robertson. And, you know, good kid.

But he's secretly Luke Robertson. No, I get that. I get it now. I get it now. I get it now what you're saying. So then what does he say? And when they're all being like out of order and stuff, he comes in as Luke Robinson and goes, oh yeah, you think this guy's out of order

or Mr. Whatever, blah, blah, blah, is out of order. The other week I was nearly beaten up in a fish and chip shop and he stepped in and fucking saved my life. And what do you think that will do? The other kids, it's easy, mate. The other kids will go, actually, he sounds like a it's easy, mate. The other kids will go, actually, he sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Yeah, all the kids will go, why are you such a fucking pussy? You're getting your ass handed to you in a fish and chip shop. You have to have a teacher step in for you. Fuck you, Luke Robinson. That's what will happen.

Yeah. I don't think, I think they'll go, okay, Mr. Blah Blah is actually a decent, fucking no, he saved Luke's life. Yeah, look,

this kid whose name we've not heard until this second just now. He seems to have the same email address as our teacher. No, Luke would have to integrate himself into the class by saying a couple of wacky things. So this is over a few weeks or something? No, I'd give it two weeks of Luke Robinson. Two weeks of Luke just being quite cool

and sort of chipping in with like. It's just saying like, what's your favourite Hubba Bubba? Or like, you know, I did 100 kick-ups in the garden this morning. yeah like a really cool um instagram page for luke as well and like buy some followers yeah so he's got quite a good like you know and from there you you build the sort of like infamously as luke and then at the prize moment you do that and then all the kids are like oh my fucking god like i didn't realize mr blahah was such a cool guy. And then, you know, and then it's like, oh, everyone, some bad news. Luke Robertson has, you know, he ran away from home or he, you know,

I don't know, he got a job in America. Who announces that? The teacher. The teacher. The teacher sort of kills off, effectively kills off Luke Robertson. Yeah, you'd have to get rid of Luke. You couldn't do it for too long because it'd just be mind-numbingly crazy.

So this guy, Luke Robinson, is just coming to these kids' lives for two weeks just to make them. Yeah, but everyone from their whole lives were just all, because that's the nice thing about being a kid. Yeah. Years later, you know,

you bump into one of your old schoolmates and go, oh, fucking hell, do you remember that kid during the pandemic who joined our class called Luke Robinson? And they were like, yeah, he nearly got beaten up by a fish and chip shop and Mr Blah Blah saved him. It was like, whatever happened to him? Yeah, okay. I mean, look,

I absolutely don't think this is what this guy should do, but in terms of actual sort of logic, I suppose there is something to it. What was your advice then? You know so much. Listen, I would like to think that this person is laying it on a bit thick about what he thinks about the students for our benefit so like so this thing that's this bit that stuck out to me was how would you deal with a group full of

arrogant students who you know full well are unworthy of your time okay now yeah this is kind of where i think the problem lies a little bit, right? Is that when I was a teacher, one of the things that I found with behavior management or anything like that is kids will accept any type of bollocking from you, any type of demands that you might make if they, in their heart of hearts, believe that you like them and want the best for them, right? And that was always the case for me and it's always the case for for all teachers i think most teachers anyway is that they want the best for that the teachers that struggled with their kids their classes are the teachers whose the kids just didn't think the teachers like them do you mean and i used to you'd occasionally come up against it you'd work with a teacher who just the way they talked about the kids was so horrible

and listen we all have classes that we used to complain about i mean you have difficult classes but you would never you would never say those kids are arsehole you would be you wouldn't think they're bad kids you'd just be like they're challenging class or i really found it difficult bloody hell like they were they were a nightmare today but that is the class being a nightmare i think if you don't think those kids are worthy of your time that's sort of where the problem starts really do you know i mean i i think that you've got a sort of genuinely listen i'm not an expert by any stretch but i i always felt like if you if you formed a relationship with your class no matter how challenging they were

if you formed a relationship with your class where they thought that you wanted the best for them and you're all working on for the same thing that's half the battle's like done man do you know what i mean and then from then you're dealing with kids who think it's okay to do this that and the other but then when you do pick them up for it they're like okay well i don't want to let you know this guy is looking out for me you know it doesn't always work as simply as that but i think that's a starting point you should be going for so there you go that's that's my kind of take on if that doesn't work just call on good old luke robinson yes absolutely yeah yeah uh do you want another email yeah let's go for another you really enjoyed that that luke robinson bit really tickled you didn didn't it? Yeah. This is from...

I'm going to keep this anonymous as well, all right? Cool. Okay. So, hi, Romesh and Tom. I don't know if this is just me, but I honestly don't want nothing for my birthday or Christmas. I'm 27. I have a fiancé and four kids.

I have pretty much all I want within our price range. People seem to get annoyed when I reply nothing when they ask me what I would want for my birthday. They always say, there must be something you would like, when there generally isn't. I'm not ungrateful or anything. The things they do get me, I do like.

Usually, I have to shave or close. My fiancée doesn't like that I'm like this, but I'd rather her spend her money on extra presents for the kids than me. Am I some kind of arsehole for this or not? Have any of you felt like this? I feel like that all the time. I'm with him here. Go are you with him yeah i look man i just think that's you get over a certain age as a guy and it becomes impossible to know because i think number one you can buy most of the things you want anyway as you say within a price range yeah and then i think

you the stuff that you maybe want that's a little bit more expensive uh you don't really want to think of you being selfish enough to take that thing what i will say is take up golf that's a good hobby to have because there's always presents that you can have that are golf uh induced um so uh yeah like yeah your wife your wife and kids could buy bits and bobs to do with golf so or another hobby darts maybe fishing uh cross stitch whatever you're up to just yeah maybe take up a hobby that could be quite cool because then yeah and let us know what you take up it is uh i mean you don't have to do that but that's good advice tom what i do think okay listen i'm sort of nervous about saying what i'm about to say because it's a bit of a

gender generalization right but rum getting edgy this guy doesn't give a shit bro he just says what he thinks um okay this is not a gender generalization i'm just talking about the situation that in my relationship right so lisa is very very good and i don't think she's doing this for because she wants to give me tips about what presents to get, but she's very open about what she likes. Do you know what I mean? And like, I know if I'm getting Lisa a present,

she's quite easy to buy for, right. In terms of she's into her clothes, you know, she's into gym, she's into, uh, shoes and all that.

So it's, it's very, very easy to buy for her. Right. And she, and also she, if she likes something she talks about it right so you know like and and not even in a just in a hinty way she'll go these are quite

nice now it might be that i'm a fucking mug here and actually what she is doing is that's exactly what she's doing is dropping hints for me to get her shit right but what i'm saying is i generally don't have an issue getting her stuff she says says that I am almost impossible to buy for, right? Yeah, Catherine says that about me. Right, and that's because Lisa knows I'm into trainers. She knows I'm into comics. She knows I'm into hip-hop, right? But what she doesn't know is what within those things

she should buy, right? Do you know what I mean? So because my taste is so specific, what she worries about is that she's going to get me a thing that she thinks is a thing that is in that area. And I'm just going to go. And she gets it wrong. Yeah. This is absolutely the shittest example of.

Do you know what I mean? Like, so. I mean, I don't know. When you're a kid and your parents bought you really bad trainers. Yeah. Oh, my God. I remember like. I think these are Yeezys.

These are just. These are just Eddie West trainers. Because the truth is, if you ask for something, you know, even if you said, I really want a shirt, right? Surprise me. And then your other half or your kids or whatever go out and get a shirt.

And when you open the shirt and you're absolutely buzzing, your fiancé will be delighted man any kids will you know I think that's the greatest gift you can give someone and in a few years time you're going to have

a really happy family and a cupboard full of shit you don't want and what a wonderful place to be tom before we before we get into your uh your closer which by the way a lot of people are showing a lot of love for in the email um well that's good to hear speaking of which if you do have any problems questions or feedback please do email us at wolf out pod at gmail.com um how do you think this episode's gone tom i've enjoyed it i really have i've learned a lot actually this has been like a but also

so look i like to think that every yeah we a lot of people message and say that this is essentially is not a format here it's just two idiots who are just chatting there's quite a lot of people who called us wallace this week for some reason um but the truth of the matter is i like to think that i learn a little bit of stuff on this from you and i think you learn a lot from me as well so you learn a little bit let's just you learn you learn a little bit of stuff from me and i learn a lot from you yeah but you know what were the words you use there yeah but look i'm not gonna start getting persnickety about you know who who who teaches who what you know there's words and there's phrases and then there's street smarts you know and i think we can all take a little bit of that home today yeah i think people i think i don't think knowing the word persnickety falls under the umbrella

of street smart. You prick. All right. Tom, can you take us out, please, brother? Yo, what are memories? You got any? Can you remember a kid who could fish so well

he'd throw that line as far as anyone you've ever seen? Or could you remember the kid who scored the hat-trick in the closing game of your school's cup final? Or the kid who turned up on his first day in ballet shoes and did like a perisette and danced around the room in wonder in absolute adoration do you remember the kid who got every answer right in your spelling bee to much amazement but sometimes we don't remember people's names sometimes those names are drifted

away by the sound of time sometimes Sometimes faces as well also get forgotten. But I like to think that when you're sitting there and your mind wanders from the work you're doing or the thoughts that you may be having and you think back a while, you can maybe just remember one kid who stood up for something he believed in in making a teacher's life that little bit better.

I want you to remember Luke Robinson. This is his ballad. I can't believe you made that about Luke Robinson. Yeah. A couple of things I want to say to you before we go. First of all, are you going to sort your fucking chair out? Yeah, I know. Sorry, I've had quite a lot of insults.

I actually went out. I got Amazon to deliver some WD-40. Shout out WD-40. So I'm going to sort it out this week. We're doing it a day early, man. I've stepped up. For Monday, it'll be done for the bonus episode. All right.

Okay. Guys, thank you so much for listening to the pod. Are we supposed to tell people to like like and you know that people review it and stuff does that make any difference apart from does that do you know what the difference it makes what it brings happiness it's it's a nice thing to know people are enjoying this yeah and i think i think that's what the world needs a little bit more because i you know let me just just finish with this the guy runs my local bakers i went in there the other day and told him a cake that he'd made was the best cake I'd ever tasted. So is that Essential Shop?

Is it the baker's? Yeah. It's food, isn't it? He does bakery stuff, bread. Yeah. Okay. All right. I said, that cake I had last week from you is the best cake I've ever had in my life.

Yeah. It was unbelievable. And tears rolled down his face. And he said he would tell everyone that he knows i just walked out and left it is that a true story yeah that's a true story that was the best was that the that was that was it the best cake you've ever eaten in your life mate it was unbelievable it was yeah but but not even just like it wasn't even i'm not even saying that's like a sort of like Stewart's Inquiry. I'm saying by head and shoulders,

it's like 10 furlongs, it's the best cake I've ever eaten. All right, well, it's incredible to me that when people send you free stuff, you name them, but for some reason you want to anonymise this baker that made you the best cake you've ever had in your life. Well, I'm a bit worried about getting him in trouble now because he might not.

Maybe he shouldn't be open so I'll replace it by shouting out nature can if you've got any problems and anxiety nature can for me is the best CPD on the market if you're feeling anxious because you've got a baker that you love closed down for being a little bit loose lipped on a podcast get yourself some nature can alright brother I'll see you next time you've got a baker that you love closed down for being a little bit loose-lipped on a podcast.

Get yourself some next year, Ken. All right, brother. I'll see you next time. See you down the road, brother. Love you, boy. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback, or anything at all, please email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com.

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