Wolf and Owl - Episode 18

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

We’re talking… character traits, Westerns and Hobbits, the problems with on-screen eating, hypochondria, ice-cream vans and baked beans. Plus, we answer some of your emails and Romesh gets put to the test live on air. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cheer boy, chicken, what you saying now? You know the openings of these are the bits I find like the most like how it's basically like the opening of doing stand up, isn't it? You just got to keep reinventing the wheel. I fucking I hate starting a stand-up gig man i really hate it you sort of walk out and go hello we all right yeah we all right oh god you've got to try and slide into stand-up or something like this like you would if you'd been invited to a dinner party with a load of people you don't know yeah and that would not be the way you didn't i know just so mental a dinner party of people people you don't know. And that would not be the way you'd end up. I know. Just so mental.

You end up at a dinner party of people that you didn't know and you're like, whoa, what's happening? How's everybody? I get it, I get it. What's happening to Greg Davis, right? Not been to Oxted before, but let me tell you, bit of a shitter. Yeah, man.

Because the thing is, is that stand-up is such a weird thing anyway. The idea of it, that you just talk out loud about whatever's in your head for an hour hour and a half that's mental but once you're in the middle of it you don't think of it as being mental but when you start when you walk out that beginning bit oh god you can really fucking set the tone quite nice and right one thing i miss about stand-up is it's doing stories and just you can just tell your stories because me and you at this week we were filming so we're yeah set the tone. Quite nice. One thing I miss about stand-up is it's doing stories and just, you can just tell your stories because me and you this week,

we were filming. So we're, yeah, but listen, it's, it's all up in the balance here because I'm going to be straight out of you.

Normally, when we do Wolf and Al, we haven't really spoken, we have spoken to each other. We text each other all the time, pretty much every day, I think, but we haven't seen each other.

Whereas now, I mean, this could be the driest fucking episode of this podcast. We've seen a lot of each other. We've seen a lot, I think. But we haven't seen each other, whereas now, I mean, this could be the driest fucking episode of this podcast. We've seen a lot of each other. We've seen a lot. A lot. A lot.

Listen, I've seen you in so many different guises this week. I saw Storyteller Ron, which is always an amazing thing, right? I saw quite a sensitive, sultry Ron, which is always an amazing thing right i saw sort of like quite a sort of like sensitive sultry rom which is always a sweet sort of um sexy one was there for a little bit yeah um it was it was yeah it was a hell of a like sort of an array of romashes it reminded me of why i hold you so high in such high regard within my heart speaking of uh first of all i'm

just sort of moving beyond that little sort of bullshit monologue you just did. But speaking of anecdote, Rob, we did find ourselves in a situation where, and this is a weird, I don't know if anybody else does this, but you and I were in a social situation at the end of one day's filming, right? We're all having a chat and everybody's sort of throwing in anecdotes and talking about and relating to each other it's very not you know very nice chat or whatever but

inevitably as always happens in these things i start to worry about how i'm doing in this in the conversation right particularly it's like i don't know i know you and james really well there's other people there's other people there that i i don't know as well and so you sort of do do these little stories and then what happens is i don't know if other people I don't know as well. And so you sort of do these little stories. And then what happens is, I don't know if you do this. You know when you tell a story or you say something and you really fucking analyse how people have responded to that to see if what you've said has fit in with the general theme

of the conversation, right? Now, so we had this conversation. This is how fucking pathetic you and I are. Afterwards, everybody says good night and we go to our rooms and then we have a little text conversation to just reassure each other that we did all right you know what it is right we've been we've been doing this now and we've been doing like so me and you have been doing this intensely like this me and you talking for like a year right yeah since the instagram lives

and then into this so it's been like a year of us doing this where we've only really been you know obviously we've seen other people that was the first time that's probably as close as we've both been to like a lot of sort of live gig for quite some time and then the the trouble is you're judged as being your stories to be the funniest stories because that's what we do for a living i i genuinely you know where i found it really really hard yeah it's like where it went as being your stories to be the funniest stories, because that's what we do for a living. You know where I found it really, really hard? It's like where it went really deep, and everyone started talking about really deep stuff,

and I'm like, oh, my God, I did not see this coming. I know. It switched up pretty quick as well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, out of nowhere. One minute I'm telling a story which I'm like, well, this is killing, and then the next minute, it into and i've got to say man you you changed very quickly into the deep mode i was like oh wow wow you were real like yeah you know you know what that um that feels like a kind what you're saying is i'm some sort of chameleon piece of shit do you mean that no no you're not a chameleon i'm just saying you can, you can hustle like if you were a cowboy,

you could go to any town, I think, and you'd be pretty alright. I guess in a way, you'd be sort of like quite an inoffensive guy that turns up with a pocket watch and sort of like a pistol. Is this what you do all the time? Quite an inoffensive guy that

turns up with a pocket watch. That's everyone's favourite guy in a Western, isn't it? Have you seen that classic film, Fistful of Timepiece? The guy that's always looking at his pocket watch. Howdy there, partner. What do you got there? Well, I got myself a diddly little timepiece. You can go on in there, fella.

You seem an inoffensive kind of man. Little bowler hat. Oh, God. Do you like Westerns? I love Westerns, yeah. My mum and dad used to love them, right? But what I used to find is if you're sort of dipping in and out of them i remember like i come up i'll be upstairs and i

go downstairs to have a look like just to say hello to chat to them whatever and one they feel like they go on for fucking ever and two they don't ever feel like they've moved on from point to point if you're dipping in and out of them it's just like the same fucking scene throughout for three hours or some shit, man. I think that's a lot of period things. What you have to remember is life was fucking boring in the olden days. And it's really hard to have a dynamic of stuff

unless you're picking a big part. My dad said, some of my happiest memories of being a kid was watching Westerns with my dad. I used to love watching them. Like the old school Clint Eastwoods, John Wayans, all that sort of malarkey. and then now you watch some of them and like obviously when tarantino like django and all that incredible i loved um i loved that but when you watch some of these sort of like some

of these jones ones which are just really like whimsical and they just sort of like seem to be like ages of just sort of death or someone just when basically someone's making a journey across the wild west writing why it's just an easy plot because it's just ages of death or someone just... When basically someone's making a journey across the Wild West, writing-wise, it's an easy plot because it's just ages of them just riding across planes and they might bump into someone. And it's a really innate... And this is shooting people up and that's why Django's so good, I guess.

But yeah, I'd do like a Western. That's what people say, the Mandalorian's got that, isn't it? It's like a Western. Yeah, it is a bit like that, yeah. I mean, I don't know if you can see, immediately my hackles are up. Is it heckles or heckles?

As soon as you start talking about anything Star Wars, I'm waiting for a fucking body blow. I'm not going to, I'm just saying that, that's one of the things that Mark Manero said about it. Yeah, I know, I realise it, because I am one of these people whose opinion matters absolutely fuck all to you in your life. It matters loads. I'm one of these people whose opinion matters absolutely fuck all to you in your life. It matters loads.

I'm one of the people in your life that whatever I recommend, whatever I suggest, you couldn't give a fuck. I opened today's conversation by saying this hat that you picked out for me is delicious. Yeah, you like it? Absolutely amazing. The peak is perfect. Feels nice. I was actually wearing it on a podcast before last and somebody, people

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Have you watched any of the Hobbit films? Because what you just said really does betray any knowledge or insight into that whole world I'll be honest with you I watched the three Lord of the Rings movies what did you think I think the first one's pretty good

I think once all the cool people sort of die it's not as good like with Sean Bean and stuff that's a bit of a spoiler when the cool with Sean Bean and stuff. That's a bit of a spoiler. When the cool person Sean Bean dies, that's when Lord of the Rings

dipped out for you, is it? No, but the last episode, the last series, film, sorry, last series,

I found really agonising. I found it really like, oh my God, just fucking, and also, I'm not sure if I've said this before, like,

why does fucking gandalf why is he so resistant to use his fucking magic so he waits right to the end after like people have been totaled and fucking killed and families are dead to go actually i'm gonna do a trick now fucking i can just wipe everyone out with one fucking thing by hitting my staff if that was one of your family had died you woke up and go wait great for that mate but my wife and kids died earlier you fucking prick you could have been there half an hour

earlier I'd love that if there was a if that they had that as well I think that might be one of the uncut scenes if you get the DVD there is

a bit where this sort of this elvish family go off and go you fucking wanker you absolute piece of shit and he'd been

hiding all this time I mean in the end they just get a big bird don't they just throw the ring in the volcano the'd just get a big bird didn't they and just throw the ring in the volcano the thing that everybody says is why didn't they use those eagles earlier

that is one of the things in Lord of the Rings it's like the big question the same way that everybody thinks at the end of Titanic that door was big enough for two of them to get on it's one of them that film, that last Lord of them. Yeah. That film, that last Lord of the Rings film just would not fucking end.

No, no, it's like four endings. Like, that bit where Frodo and that are just bouncing up on the bed and he's going, Gandalf in slow motion.

What the fuck is going on? Yeah, and he's jumping up on the bed and the next thing he's on a boat again. I found that a bit creepy, by the way. That was that thing where

you see Gandalf and him go off on a, yeah, on a boat into the distance. Yeah, it felt a bit creepy. Who else was on a boat would get. I found that a bit creepy, by the way. That was that thing where you see Gandalf and him go off on a, yeah, on a boat into the distance. Yeah, it felt a bit creepy. Who else was on that boat? I don't know,

was Gandalf on the boat? Was Gandalf on the boat? Gandalf was there, yeah, he was on the boat, yeah, yeah. I just found the whole thing a bit,

like, I watched it, I went to quite an early screening of it, and I would be late in line. you, you, you were quite excited about it, weren't you?

So you sort of, when you were hitting up, you were hitting up, like, weren't you? If I'm honest, I don't know why. You were hitting up all the websites and stuff to try and get early dibs on tickets and stuff. There was one bit that really touched me emotionally. I think it's in the second movie, where Sam Wachowski is... Can I tell you something?

Do you know how I know that's not real? It's because you can't stop yourself smiling before you do it. That's your problem. No, no. You know you're about to say something to fuck me off, right? And you can't control your excitement as you do it. Mate, I've got very little control over any of my faculties at the moment. Samwise Gamgee.

Yeah, go on. Samwise Gamgee is the same. That's what his name would be if he lived in America right so when he and him and Frodo Frodo's going to give up

and him Gollum and they're in a castle and he does some amazing do you know what I mean no I'm going to find it I'm going to send it to you

and I'll I'll try and send we can't put films up on here can we we can't put films up on the podcast no I try and send, we can't put films up on here, can we? We can't put films up on the podcast. There's a moment in the castle,

right? And I can't remember because I haven't seen it for a long time, but Sam West County turns around and says to, and he does this beautiful speech about, you know, the elders and, and like when times are tough, how you get through things. And even Gollum's crying.

And I'm like, wow. That's the moment where I was like, actually, Sam's a pretty decent guy. Actually, Sam does a lot of the fucking bag carrying. He does nearly all the hard work. Frodo's the moaning little bit. I actually think of me and you a bit like Frodo and Sam. Well, so... You get all the praise.

Hold on a minute. Before you went on to do that, you were about to finish the sentence, Frodo's a manly little bitch. And then before even finishing the word bitch, you decided to say that we're Sam and Frodo. No. It's fucking incredible to me

that people think that I'm the nasty one in this. No, I meant it nicely in the way that you are Frodo. No, this is exactly what happened. Sam does a lot of the bag carrying there. Sam does a lot of the bag carrying there. Frodo's a moaning little bitch. Actually, we're like Sam and Frodo. That's what happened.

I meant it in a nice way. In what nice way? Go on, how do you mean in a nice way? No, because Frodo has a lot of pressure on him and he's like the sort of like... Moaning little bitch, you said? Yeah, no, but in a different way. I meant like he has a lot of pressure and he's got the sort of like all Moaning little bitch, you said? Yeah, no, but in a different way. I mean, like, he has a lot of pressure

and he's got the sort of like all the ring shit on his back and all that. And, you know, he's got a lot to deal with. And Sam hasn't got as much to deal with, but he's sort of the one guy, come on, mate, muscle through. You can do it. How did you enjoy our day's filming together?

You know, I realised what a hypochondriac I am this week, like massively. Well, you were actually ill though, weren't you? Yeah, well, yeah. We had a scene where I had to eat like an obscene amount of Toby... No, no, no. The scene was that you have to eat some Toby Carver. Now, this is a thing that people don't realise,

a problem in acting. By the way, so my kid, our eldest son, he became obsessed with Big Bang Theory, right? Yeah. And have you watched much of Big Bang Theory? A little bit. So Big Bang Theory, they are eating in a lot of scenes. Yeah, yeah.

Very rarely do you see anybody put any food into their mouth, right? You know, the master of that was Gadadafini in Sopranos. Oh, really? He's incredible. If you go back and watch it, he hardly... I think first series, apparently, he was eating too much. And then if you go and watch it, he's just stirring things around his plate

or he's just about to go and eat. So you watch Big Bang Theory and they're constantly... They're just, like, twirling their forks around the food. Like, in a way, to be honest, nobody fucking does. Absolutely nobody does. But the reason they're doing that is to avoid what happened to Tom Davis. So Tom, go on, what happened? Just quickly, by the way, do you think NASA's a drama

school? Because neither me or you trained at drama school. Do you think there's a class at drama school to do? I mean, they can't be, because Laura Checkley did exactly the same thing as I did. And Laura's like, she's trained, she's a brilliant actress, she's been in a lot of stuff. So basically we get these two mountainous plates of Toby Carvery.

James, the father director, says go easy on what you eat. Because we probably have to do this about. So when you do a take or something, you'll probably do it 20 times. James from the director who's running the whole thing has to take some time out to warn you

not to eat. That's something that he has to put on his list of to-do things. He has to tell you just be careful with what you eat. Anyway, go on.

But then I'm also like I can imagine how a lot of people will be when it was almost like this is a forbearer of what's going to happen when lockdown's over. I'm there at Toby Carvery carvery by god i've not had one for a year i've

missed toby carvery's and i guess i've got carvery crazy dizzy do you know what i mean seduced by it so i start the first take i have some beef i have a bit of turkey i have a bit of gammon i have like two sausages and two roast potatoes have you got have you got three meats in this is that part of the same you got three minutes yeah it's three hour meats you can have that in a tote i mean i'm not expecting you to and i had a bit of stuffing which for our vegan listeners and you ron but you find that yeah sexy um so i've wolfed all that stuff down laura's done a similar sort of thing and then james is like right we have basically you know we make up the plate and we had to do that again and again and again. So you have to do that like 20.

So I had to eat that like 20 times. So did you finish the meal? No, because they restock it every time. No, but what I'm saying is how much of this are you eating each take? So yeah, like a couple of bits of beef, a few bits of gammon, two sausages, a couple of roast potatoes and some stuffing and a bit of Yorkshire pudding. And you've got to match that from then on because...

Every time, yeah. So you're not just thinking about your lines. You're thinking about, oh, when I say this, I've got to put a sausage in my mouth. And then you're in a position where if people mess up a line or mess up, you've got to go back on that line.

So, you know, then you've got to put another sausage. And yeah, so my guts and my stomach the next day was in absolute... I had a heartburn of a degree that I genuinely... I was very close to writing like goodbye letters. I thought, you know,

this is, I feel my heart, but this heartburn is, I mean, when I saw you the next day, my heartburn was another level. Yeah. I was like,

oh my God. The rest of the cast get to see you eating and enjoying yourself. And then when I turn up for my day shooting, I have to listen to the fucking aftermath of it. You make it sound like you're in a toilet with me. I had that thing with Reluctant Landlord. I thought it would be funny if whenever he's in the flat, he's eating cereal, like he picks up some cereal or whatever.

I thought it would be just... Not fun, you know, like a little quirky thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It was such a fucking stupid thing to do because I pick up some cereal. First of all, it's a nightmare for sound because cereal is really crunchy.

So you have to finish it before you do dialogue. Secondly, the continuity would go, will you actually put a bit of cereal into your mouth after you deliver that word, not that word. So I'd have to fucking remember the sequence of how I delivered the line and when I was... And also, it wasn't good. Nobody gives a fuck that I was eating cereal, Jim.

Nobody gives a shit. Seinfeld did the same thing, so you're in good company. Yeah, I know. I mean, a lot of people sort of talk about Reluctant Landlord and Seinfeld in the same breath, actually. Another way you swagly, like, sort of sip a cold Coke after saying that. That was like a done-a-funny-joke-on-mock-the-week move. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it was so, like, so, so drippy. I'm going to hit a little bit of self-deprecation, yeah? Then I'm going to take a big old swig of Coca-Cola. Yeah, but I realise what a big hyper-contractor I am. I read a thing the other day about a woman. It was an awful story. A woman had a, because you know when you get tired do you get headaches and stuff and you get tired you run down right yeah yeah so you've got we're in the middle of a pandemic so you're constantly questioning

yeah i'm tested nearly every day for corona but then i'm constantly just going oh my god is this yeah and then i read this thing the other day about a woman who had this awful brain tumor it's terrible then she had a tumor that grew out of her eye she was a little bump on her eye and i spent honestly and this i'm you know speaking very honestly i spent a whole of thursday last week convinced that my whole eye would swell up and that that was it for me i complete i complete by the end of the day i was like you know oh fucking hell yeah will my wife still love me if i've got like this thing going out of my head? I was so worried about it because I was just completely

convinced that was going to happen. The thing is, is that schedule on King Gary is quite brutal. So, like, you're knackered. It's quite understandable. I had a thing where, you know, when we first had Theo, our eldest, you know, you're so paranoid about the health of your kid, right? Anything that they do, any noise that they make, you Google it.

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And I'd looked after him, but looking after a kid on your own, Lisa had done a fair bit and I'd done none of, right? So she goes out and she says, can you give him a bath and stuff? So I was like, yeah, all all right so i was giving him a bath and as i put him into the water it was a bit too hot for him right and so he sort of like reacted a bit and i pulled him out and like sort of sorted out and cooled the water down or whatever and then put him back in gave him a bath but afterwards i was convinced that he sounded a bit different, right? Like the way he was crying and the noises he was making.

I was utterly, I just felt like he sounds different. Maybe it's because of the temperature of the water has done something to him or like, you know, I've like done, like broken something in him or something. So I start Googling it, looking up, I mean, what set of terms do you Google? Baby sounds different after hot bath. I mean, I don't know what the fuck i was googling but i started to get really paranoid that i'd done something permanently to him right so i'm sitting there and i'm freaking out with him on my lap and i'm cuddling and i'm patting him on the

back going oh god like in my head i'm thinking oh god i've done something and then lisa comes back and honestly i handed her she obviously straight away she wants to hold him i hand him to her and i'm thinking now i've just got to wait for her to go, what the fuck's wrong with him? And then I've got to admit what's happened, right? So just, like, sat there. She's like, play with him. And I'm like, it's going to happen any second now.

She's going to go, why have you broken our child? Right? And it did it, but I don't know for definite that I was imagining it. I mean, for all I know, Theo's turned out to be a completely different boy than he otherwise might have done if I'd have not given him that bath I was imagining that. I mean, for all I know, Theo's turned out to be a completely different boy than he otherwise might have done if I'd have not given him that bath. Do you know what I mean?

By the time you have the second and third, you don't give a fuck. Do you know what I mean? You just dropped him in, didn't you? Charlie, I just put him in a kettle. It's genuine. Your mind plays so many tricks with you, right? I don't know if everyone... I've got friends who just don't i've got a mate called dan right who i've never met anyone quite like him he just literally he doesn't feel tired he doesn't feel ill he just fucking gets on with shit

like he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't sweat any of the small stuff at all and i'd like to think i'm a relatively chilled sort of person but i massively so i was like to think i'm a relatively chilled sort of person but i'd massively so i was like this week i'm like fucking hell i've worried about something new every day yeah like on top of what i've got really like the real things i should be thinking of you know i mean have you heard about have you heard about this thing called uh the pain body no what's that so i read this book called uh what's it called new earth or something by eckhart Tolle. Have you heard of Eckhart Tolle? No. So he's like this...

He's like this... Same. So he's this guy that i don't know how to describe him like self-help guy or something i don't know anyway one of these things he uh he talks about being in the moment putting yourself in the moment completely somebody recommended this book because i was like i can't remember i was struggling with a bit of like anxiety about work or something. Anyway, I read this book. It's all about being in the moment and just enjoying the moment for what it is, completely immersing yourself in it. One of the things he talked about was the pain body. Right. And it's a weird way of describing it, but it is kind of what you're talking about. It's this thing where you're we are for some reason we are programmed to find anxiety and discomfort

right like like you you will always try and look for something to worry about you look for something to be concerned about right so you know you might be on the set of just use an example of king gary you might be on the set of king gary and you've got something going on where you've got to have a a difficult meeting or you've got a niggle or you've got to do a where you've got to have a difficult meeting or you've got a niggle or you've got to do a thing with your accountant. And rather than enjoying the fact that you're having a laugh on set at King Gary, what you do is your brain is thinking about this thing that you've got to do. You're sort of anxious about it.

Do you know what I mean? And so your mind is like trying to find the pain. Now, as I'm talking now, can you talk to the listeners? Because at my door is somebody with a COVID test for me for King Garo. So I'm going to do this. Why don't you do it live? I'm going to do it on the podcast. I'm just going to go get it.

All right, let me test it. Well, guys, this is a big, big moment. Actually, Romesh was very, very honest and true to himself there um romesh doing a covid test is a thing of beauty because he has an incredible gag reflex um you know for anyone who doesn't know that it's one of the facts about him that actually one of you guys um should put on his wikipedia page i noticed that a couple of people have jumped on there with things so make sure you get doing that. Also, Romesh was saying to me this week he is slightly upset about the fact

that the pictures of the sweet soul like have sort of dried up a bit. So let's get more of those, because actually there's some exciting news that we are getting. By the way, just so you know, I've got headphones and I can hear all of that shit you were spouting. Okay.

A couple of things. First of all, you've got headphones on. I can hear all of that shit you were spouting. Okay? A couple of things. First of all, you've got no idea how many Sweet Soul life is we're getting because you don't check the fucking email. We're still getting loads of them. All right? Do you want to tell the exciting news about the T-shirts that are getting made? About the Sweet Soul T-shirts? What T-shirts?

Oh, shit, I haven't told you. So we've had some designed by Mark. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? We've got Sweet Soul Romesh t-shirts that have been designed. They're beautiful t-shirts. They're crackers.

Been designed by a friend of Mark McQueen, friend of the show. And yes, I think they're blinding. I might even put the design up and see what the appetite is for these t-shirts. So at the moment, Romesh, talk us through how the COVID test for any of the listeners that have never done a COVID test.

Basically, there's a swab and a vial. The vial's got some sort of liquid in it. You put your name and your date of birth on that vial. Basically, I've got a swab now, which I'm going to do now. You've got a swab, the back of your throat for 10 seconds. Then i've got a swab now which i'm going to do now you've got a swab

the back of your throat for 10 seconds then you've got to stick it up your right nostril and then your left well it doesn't matter which order nostrils you do it but um you've got to do both nostrils and then it's quite nice if you look right down the camera lens when you're doing it sure should we get this on camera i mean that's exactly that's exactly what you just said isn't it so yeah um okay bear with me on a second now what i've managed to do is i've managed to snap the swab before using it so how are you gonna do it oh my god have you got a garden peg have you got a garden peg? Have you got a garden peg?

I'm just going to have to, like, really stick my hand down. Basically, there's a long swab that you break off before it goes in the vial. Look, I fucked it. Okay, ready? Oh, God. Ready? You know, I am, but this is going to be savage. Fucking hell.

Your fingers are halfway down your gullet. Oh. Fucking hell. Your fingers are halfway down your gullet. Oh, God. It's completely fine. There's no discomfort whatsoever. Please ignore the noises I made there. It's actually quite lovely. Here's a question for you. On set, has Chris the Medic done a test for you on set has chris the medic done

a test for you yet yeah he has yeah and this is a big i really i like chris the medic he's a really good guy really really sweet guy a lot of time for him he's very sensitive by the way and very sensual when he does the the test okay it's not the word isn't sensual okay we talked about this when you described your dentist as horny or whatever the fuck you were talking about. But he's very sensitive and very alluring. No, I don't think that's right either. What's another word for sensitive?

Well, sensitive would do with it. Just say sensitive. I mean, I don't know why you need a pair of words for everything. Hold on, the guy is coming in. The wrong issue card to give his little envelope back. Very slowly and sultry. I'll come out, mate. Hold on, the guy is coming in. The rummage is going to give his little envelope back. Very slowly and sultry. I'll come out, mate. Hold on.

You tried it through the window. Yeah, I can't get the bloody window open. Hold on. I've got to get this out. Slowly, Romesh makes his way back to the podcast. And a shorter conversation than usual. Romesh is known in the delivery driver world for keeping people longer than they need to be kept it comes back now so it must be in the room all done um so yeah chris the medic so very sensitive with his touch and i'd say actually one of the more sensitive people that i've given me a co-artist

actually the most joyful and sensitive sort of way that i've had a he's really really careful he's really soft and gentle i won't describe it as joyful no but i don't i've never gagged with him it's like he doesn't push it so far down my throat that i'm gagging what i'm just saying he shows a bit of respect and i think yeah i would say i would say that i've had i've had loads of covid tests now and i've had them from different medics and some of them enjoy really sort of ramming it down the throat more than others

I think that is definitely true some of them just go for it and it's just like you open your mouth and it's just like alright, get on, chill out they almost want to see you wince and it's just the worst thing

there's nothing like that with Chris I just think that if anything I'm just shouting his praises I think what an amazing human being to be able to do that I think that's one of the most incredible things in humanity is when people can learn to do things I think another incredible thing to do is just to do your own test

that's what I do yeah I quite like it being done for me why? I don't know I just like the sort of like jeopardy and you don't know what's going to happen. I find it quite morose when you do it on your own. It's quite lonely.

It's a double whammy of you doing, using words incorrectly there. First of all, there's no jeopardy when you get someone else to do it. Yeah, there is because you might get Chris doing it. He's really sensitive and nice and you leave there thinking lovely thoughts about him. Or you get someone else who just rams it in your throat and treats you like a piece of old trash so are you suggesting that the reason

that you do that is because you sort of you see it as a bit of a gamble you're sort of rolling the dice on it yeah i guess in a way i guess i live on the edge a bit different like you know you're every covid test you get the same no i'm just saying it's that actually people people on set were saying that. I was saying, what's it like on Gary? And they go, I'll tell you what. Fucking Tom. He doesn't give a shit, man.

I said, what is that? He goes, he's just a fucking lunatic. He's such a party animal. I said, what makes you say that? He goes, he only fucking gets the medics to do his COVID test for him. You've just got no idea how much force he needs. I've just got that Kenny Rogers gene in me, man. You've got nowhere to show him, nowhere to hold him, baby.

I like the risk. I mean, we have got the same three guys who do the test now, so it's getting like... I just know it was to pick Chris, so the gambit was taken out of it slightly. It's a bit of a cheat, I guess. Also, it just feels like they've got a sort of thing to do themselves a bit there, you know?

Sure, sure, sure. I don't know what I'd prefer to do. Just sit doing nothing or stick a swab down someone's throat and then up their nose. But well done. Well done for giving them that gift. Still getting paid exactly the same, whether they swab you or not.

If they were on a commission, I'd get it. I'd understand your decision. Any money, though, you'd be the first person they'd... If they were doing commission, then they'd be fucking selling them doing it, and you'd be talked into it, wouldn't you? Mate, if they were doing it on commission, I'd get them to do it.

Yeah, no, but why? Because they'd make more money that way, don't they? Well, I think it's more that they talk you into it you're quite susceptible to be sort of like no I'm susceptible if somebody if I have to do a COVID test and it's a choice between

me doing it or the guy doing it and he gets commission of course I'm going to get the guy to do it you're a bit of an easy mark when it comes to stuff like that how do you mean an easy mark I'm not paying him if I'm giving him the money, then yeah, I get it.

I'm a bit of a mug there. No, no, no. But there's a sweet naivety to you at times where I'm like, hey, mate, this could be a scam. Sorry, I'm talking to somebody who regularly gets the medic to do it for him. Yeah, I know, but I'm doing that.

Have we switched? Are we completely 180 on our positions on this now? No, because I'm saying to do it for him? Yeah, I know, but I'm doing that. Have we completely 180'd on our positions on this now? No, because I'm not saying I'd do it like that because I'm like, I don't know how he's going to be today with me. And also, it's like a bit of human contact in a way, I guess. What do you just try talking to other people on set rather than

waiting for you to get a medical swab to have some fucking human contact how often have you brought like windows and doors and stuff from door-to-door salesmen never what about like other as a door salesman ever sold you anything? No. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. You don't get them anymore, do you?

I mean, you certainly don't get them during COVID, but does that happen? Actually, I did have a guy knock on the door from Anglia the other day asking if one of the windows was done. Oh, man. We had a guy before COVID this was who knocked on the door and he was selling tea towels and bits. It was like a sort of throwback.

Where the fuck do you live who the fuck is selling tea towels door to door I live in 1993 this is what I'm saying is that he

clearly hadn't got the Amazon memo he just had like a sort of car boot for the little like that you know sponges

and like tea towels is this true is this what you're telling me true yeah yeah a guy was driving like a car boot for the little sponges and tea towels and stuff like that. Is this what you're telling me true? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A guy was driving around your neighbour. Where I live is quite twee like that. There's a little sandwich van that goes around and stuff like that.

It's got that twee sort of feel to it, you know. You live in a posh area, don't you? It's not that posh. It's quite nice. It must be. There's a guy coming around selling sandwiches door to door. He comes out,

he beeps his van, he has a little tune that goes. I've never had one that said sandwiches, but yeah. Like an ice cream van. Yeah, yeah,

but with sandwiches. And a guy comes out with sandwiches. Yeah, yeah. Like an ice cream van. That's why they have ice cream van tunes is so people know

they're coming, mate. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. Did you not know that? Of course I fucking knew that. Oh, I thought that. Although, listen, it's a long time

since I've seen an ice cream van mobile. The only ice cream vans you see now are locked up in this position all the time. Like, down my local park,

there's an ice cream van that's there all the time. Totally pointless in being a van. It's just an ice cream van. By the way, they're the worst ice cream vans. They're the ones

I've got no time for. What do you mean you mean why because they fucking don't care they're just like oh i've got this really good spot the ice cream honestly i bet you have an ice cream there obviously you don't have ice cream because of your um beliefs and stuff but if no but i'll bet get theo charlie uh alex to go down, buy them an ice cream. We have done. We have done. Substandard by any chance? No. I mean, first of all,

you're assuming a much more distinguished palette on my children than they've got. It's three. I would listen. You put me in a room with fucking Heston Blumenthal and your three kids, and you said, who do you trust palette better with ice cream and sweets?

I'd go Alex, Charlie and Theo hit me Heston fuck off first of all I would never put you in a room with my children that's the first thing

even if Heston Blumenthal was there to supervise to make sure he didn't get up to anything just Lisa going why the fuck

have you put him in the room with those I don't worry Heston Blumenthal's there it's pretty hot on stuff like that such a bizarre Does Lisa go, why the fuck have you put him in the room with those kids? I don't worry, Heston Blumenthal's there. It's pretty hot and stuff like that. Such a bizarre, bizarre start to the night. Why are they there?

He wants to see what ice cream's got to be. Tom's got this thing where he wants to buy something from an ice cream van, but before he does, he wants to know exactly what the situation is. So he's got Heston Blumenthal and our three boys to buy ice creams first and then he wants to speak to them about what they think about them before he finally makes his purchase. I know, yes, it is ridiculously convoluted and it has taken

a couple of hours for Heston to get down there. You're absolutely right, Lisa. And yes, the boys are missing school, but we need to know if Tom should buy this ice cream. But that is what I'm saying. Their palates will be fucking so susceptible to brilliant ice cream. There's certain things they dislike that I'm really surprised by.

What like? Well, so none of our kids like baked beans wow really yeah that's insane so there you go none of the three of them yes one of them does so that's what do you think i meant when i said none of them like baked beans oh just like how's that conversation go none of my kids like baked beans what none of the three of them no one of them does one of them does that actually comes to be two of the three of them. No, one of them does. One of them does. Two of the three of them do, actually. Well, look, you know yourself as much as me because you've got that professor's kind of vibe.

Shit runs downhill. So your first kid turns around and says he doesn't like baked beans. Second kid doesn't like baked beans. The third kid probably is like, I'm institutionalised now. Even if I like baked beans, I'm not going to say it. I don't know how you think my house operates. Where, what, the youngest one's nervous about saying I like baked beans in case he gets shanked.

That was insane. It's just weird that none of the three of them like baked beans. I find that insane. You seem to think I'm running a barstool, Tom. I just think it's insane that none of them like baked beans. I can't get my head around it. Especially when you're a vegan.

What's that got to do with it? Well, you live off baked beans. I don't live off baked beans, but I do like them, yeah. I don't think there's much nicer than sausage hash browns sort of just in baked beans. It's just fucking delightful. Have you been having...

Yeah, mate, it's one of my favourite things. I like just really buttery toast with baked beans on top. Oh, baked beans. I find it insane. I'm just racking my brains to think now of how many people I've met in my whole life who don't like baked beans. You know Lisa doesn't like ice cream.

What? I know, mate. What's happening in your house? I don't know. Can I tell you something? What Lisa told me she doesn't like. I've sort of lived my life not quite believing it until I double checked with her maybe like a couple of weeks ago

and she confirmed she doesn't like ice cream and donuts. What? Mate, I know. I can't fucking... I don't understand it. I was about to say that she doesn't like

ice cream, she must love donuts. That's the way I would have got you. I was going to say that. No. saying that she doesn't like ice cream she must love donuts that's where i've got you right what right right this is what i'm saying to you what else is she gonna eat if she goes to the fair you're so full of shit you are so full of shit which well what does he i'm worried about this man i was literally about to say. Fuck off. I was. That's how my mind works. I'm worried now.

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Tickets at cirquetusoleil.com. The world is yours to create echo thanks it's presenting partners sun life and its official partners air canada and mastercard first of all okay yeah fine so we're at the fair for some reason we decided to go to the fair okay right we're walking around i'm like oh fucking we decided to go to the fair. Okay. Right. We're walking around. I'm like, oh, fucking, like straight away you're ruling out all the meat stalls because Romesh doesn't like meat.

Right? So we can all eat together. And now you're like, ice cream vans and donut stalls are off. So basically we're just walking around with candy floss. Okay. What I would say to that though is the whole thing about a fair is that you walk around.

We're not going into any of the stalls, are we? No. No. What I would say to that, though, is the whole thing about a fair is that you walk around. We're not going into any of the stalls, are we? No. No. So is it feasible in this fantasy scenario where we decide to go to a fair today? Yeah, but my problem is we're all at the fair. I start feeling greedy because I'll probably have had a hot dog, an ice cream and a couple of donuts. Well, you wouldn't be judged for that. Well, you're the most judgy person I know in my life.

Me? Me? I'm the most judgy person i know in my life me me i'm the most judgy person you'd be nudging lisa going i told you you'd be eating no do you know what we do we do that thing that you do on the way home just fucking hell do you see how many hot dogs he put down i've been to fairs with people like that isn't it like the judgy version of every couple and it is all of us as soon as you leave something like that you go I can't suppose

there's any donuts left did you see it honestly she I think she knows as well because she was looking as he was like

eating that third one just like oh my god how many beers did he put away she must she must realise it. Well, I think we should do some emails, mate. Now, what I'm going to say to you about this,

about this, this email, I haven't, although I've read all the emails because I read them all every day. How is Lisa getting on, by the way? So this has been, this is her first week of picking them out herself. Although I've read these emails, I haven't read the one she's chosen.

I don't know what she's chosen. Last week, I went through them with her. This week, I suggested doing that again, and she actually got quite insulted by that. I've completely handed it over to her, but she is feeling quite nervous about this. Big shout out to Lisa.

Obviously, we'll wait for probably a couple of months and there'll be an appraisal that both me and Romesh will do. Yeah, and then we'll decide whether you can continue doing that or not. Okay, so first email. It's called a wedding. I'm actually really nervous for Lisa now. Are you? Look what she's done.

She's put M for main, and then I've got another stack here with B for bonus. By the way, and I've never done this on a podcast before. I'm pretty sure you did that last week. You prick. You love it. Okay. Okay.

So good luck. Good luck. Lisa, I hope this goes well for you. Please keep me anonymous. I have a situation that's been bothering me for a while. I'm getting married soon. I'm getting married to a wonderful woman who is a practicing Catholic, brackets, white, and myself, not really a religious person,

brackets, come from an islamic family now as the day is coming out there's only gonna be 30 people in attendance only member of my family that is coming is my father rest of them don't want to know as it's going to be held in a church and the fact that she's a catholic when they told me this i felt really hurt by it but just let it brush over me and just said it was about me and her but recently i've been dreading the day coming up because there's going to be no representation representation for myself except my close friends not even sure if my father is coming now just the fear of being the only brown face at my own wedding and spoiling the day with me being miserable because having an islamic ceremony is going to make me feel

uncomfortable and would just satisfy the family and that's it my family have always known me for not being religious but this is starting to hurt how How do I overcome this? What do I do? Am I being selfish? Well, first thing I'd say, thank you, Lisa, for such a heavy one to start us off with. So, Tom, what do you think? Well, for me, I would say I've got a Catholic

side to my family. I'm not a massive... Me and my parents weren't big practicing Catholics, but I've got a lot of Catholics. And I think my mum and dad had a bit of a problem with this with my gran. In fact, my gran wanted them to have a Catholic wedding. And my mum was really anti having that. And my dad sort of, I think in the end, my dad pushed not to have that. I mean, obviously it wasn't a lie.

But I think the biggest thing of this, and you sort of speak to people, people who have been in your situation, anonymous, Mr. Anonymous, and I think the truth of the matter is this day is for you and it's for your missus. It's about you both. It's not about anyone else. It's not about religion. And those things, whilst being important to your upbringing

and important to your parents and important to your family, they're not important to you. And it should be said that it's not about anyone else. It's about you two having this perfect day that you're going to remember. I would say you do not want to be looking back in years to come at wedding pictures that you're not happy with

and you're not happy with the turning out of the people that are there and you're slightly sort of constantly always sort of thinking, you know, I wish my dad had been there. I wish my parents had been there. I wish my siblings or whatever had been there. And I think it's important for you to have that conversation, not just with your family, because I think it's also on the side of your fiancée as well, that she has to realise that

you want to basically say to her that this is how you feel. I think you need to be honest with everyone in this situation. I think there's probably a middle ground. The truth of life is if you spend your whole time trying to make other people happy it'll have a very detrimental effect on you as a human being because you'll you'll constantly be searching for that and and you can't make everyone happy you can strive to make yourself happy and in that happiness um yeah that will have a lot of shit you'll feel more positive in

yourself and that will have a positivity that sort that sort of sheds onto others. So I think you sound like a good guy. You sound like a, you're almost being sort of completely selfless in this situation. I'm not saying to be selfish, but I'm saying, uh, stick up for yourself and be a good friend to yourself on this one. As I always say,

do you? Uh, I actually think Tom delivered some excellent advice there. What I think is if your family don't turn up to this wedding, then they're in the wrong here, like totally and utterly in the wrong. And you should not let that spoil your day. You know,

you found someone you love. You are going to spend the rest of your life with this person. What you don't want is to look back on that day and allow the the context of it of what's going on with your family to fuck up man so look if they don't want to turn up they don't want to turn up if your dad turns up and i hope he does that'd be amazing you embrace that and you know you have the best day you possibly can you have the best marriage you possibly can you know you've got to put all that shit to one side man they're in listen i know you're going to feel bad you're going to feel good you're going to feel slightly embarrassed put that to one side all right your family are in the wrong you are not

in the wrong you've found somebody you're in love with and you're going to spend the rest of your life with them they're going to regret that in the future not you man so i would say what i always say to people do you okay and also mate if and i think we all say this and i know robert was about to say this and i've jumped in on this one if you're looking for numbers and you're looking for friendly faces i know two guys who will jump on that boat very quickly and come and see you bro so just get in touch in a day. Okay, fine. Yeah, all right, we'll come. Send us an email. Wow!

What else is? Hit us up, bro. I don't know where you live, where you're from, but we'll make this work. It's almost 100% certain that our schedules won't allow us to be there. But what Tom likes to do is to build people's hopes up. You know what?

No, no, no. This is a big Tom big tom promise yo this is a big tom wolf promise big shout out going here bro bro if we can't make it we will do a facetime with you that day on your wedding day and say it's actually it's actually that's actually not a bad idea okay so can you get in touch with us we'll facTime you on the wedding or around the wedding, whatever. You want a little pep talk? We'll do that for you, man. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But listen, let me tell you what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about a little FaceTime with us and you and maybe your lovely wife as well. Just a private little chat to give you a little chat and say good luck with it all. What Tom's suggesting, I assume, is he would, I think he's talking about some sort of video wall where you project our facetime call to the entire wedding uh and and tom sort of does a bit i guess i would do either that's what i'm saying no we'll both do

a bit because i want to see you do your thing i um just as a rule of thumb uh i've been asked to do people's weddings before. Never will you see me performing at a wedding. Same, same. Okay. I thought she did all right with that one, Lisa. That was a great one, Lisa. Great one.

Well done. Okay, here we go. This is Quarter Life Crisis. Lisa, little tip, not tip, little request. Could you write at the top of these whether they want to be anonymous or not because uh it would just sort of uh save me a bit of time okay hi guys love the pod great laughs over the past few weeks i thought i'd email them some advice so first some context i'm a mid-20s homeowner working in the sector i think i want to work in. I have a wonderful partner and my life is free from any afflictions or struggles.

Despite all this, I feel something is missing. I've worked in the climate sector for four years now, having initially trained as a laboratory chemist. I shifted to the climate sector as over my life it's been a growing passion and its global importance is only continuing to grow. My concern is that I'm underqualified to work in the sector and I'm only chasing this job sector so I can affect the world around me in the most positive way possible all my contracts are short six to eight months at a time i feel there's a burden on me to perform well all the time my work hasn't lost its luster but i'm exhausted and surrounded

by much more qualified people how did you guys find your passions how did you get the motivation to keep working when daveaves and times are tough big love jlr jlr let me just hit this up you've got what i'd say is and i suffer romance shuffles you have got yourself a dose of imposter syndrome you are an incredible person just just on that email i'm like listening i am literally like wow we we got ourselves a saint here like Like, go get a halo, Rob, because this person needs it. Like, you're an absolute legend. You're working within a sector that's doing amazing work for humanity going forward.

You've jumped into it. You're a homeowner at 25. You have an amazing partner. You've got your shit. It took me until I was 40 to even get marginally close to how much you've got your shit together. Anything we care about passionately you're going to complete always doubt you're going to constantly doubt

like I'll be completely fresh and I'll be completely fucking honest when I was scaffolding that one day in my life did I ever question or doubt the fact I could do it I just didn't give a fuck it was a job I went I did that job it was literally the I thought I'd be doing that for my whole life every day that I fucking do the job I do now, I constantly question whether I've got the ability to do it. I'm constantly riddled with self-doubt, like anxiety. All of these things are constantly at the fore of my brain

to the fact that I just sometimes just, I'm exhausted by it. And that's only because I want to do the best possible job and I feel blessed to be doing this job and I feel very lucky to be working in the industry that I work in like that is why you have those feelings like it's clear to me that you you're you know look I would be genuinely like I just call you a friend or someone even know I go this person has got their shit together and let me tell you something five years time I'll guarantee me and romesh are emailing you for advice because you just smashed the ball out of the d-zone you're the one okay well some good advice there from tom i'm amazed that he managed

to sort of choke it out over the top of your dick in his mouth uh but i would sort of uh i would sort of agree with him i mean you're doing I mean? You're doing a good thing. I think part of the problem with what you're doing is you do care about what you do. And the issue with caring about what you do is that you put your all into it, which is great, but it also is quite exhausting. Do you know what I mean?

Because, you know, when I was a teacher, almost all of the teachers I knew worked every minute that God sent at their job. You know, they'd leave school and they'd be marking, they'd be preparing lessons. And there were some teachers who didn't do that. Only maybe one or two I met in my entire career, 10 year career as a teacher. And they found it so much easier because they got they knew what lessons they were doing they weren't that worried about pushing on and they they were much more relaxed about it so and i'm not saying those people are bad people they've said they weren't bad teachers necessarily

but they didn't they weren't as they weren't agonizing as much about it as most of the teachers i knew so what i would say to you is part of that anxiety part of that stress comes from the fact that you care so much but that that is, I would say, a much better position to be in than to be in something you don't give a shit about. If you are doing a job that you really care about and you're really worried about, you're never going to be bored. And that's the thing that Tom and I have. We love our jobs, but that means that you're thinking about it all the time. You're agonizing about whether you're doing it well enough you're fretting about uh if you deserve to be doing the specific job you're doing all of that shit it all comes it's all part for the course part part for

the course but yeah what i would say is i'd rather be like that than doing something i don't give a fuck about really there's a truth i think what Romesh is trying to say is preparing to fail is failing to prepare complete first of all that isn't what I was trying to say second of all

you said those things backwards so yeah or the other way around alright Tom this has been I'm going to tell you something now, Tom.

I've really loved this hour with you, mate. It's been a gentle stroll through both of our psyches and sometimes you need to do that just to feel human again. Okay, Tom, can you do us the honour of taking us home, please? The March Hare stood over his spoils, happy with the land that he had accrued but there was something that damaged him and trivialized his brain had all of this

been for nothing the wanton lust of a field full of carrots that he'd more or through the jumping and hopping that he could do all over the place kind of made nothing because the fact that he had no other rabbits to do it with. The march hare knew that to get to the top of the tree he'd had to stomp on some heads and crack some necks and maybe he needed to do that to realize that actually the fact of the matter is more than a field full of carrots or just a field in general what you need is people or rabbits in this scenario you need other souls around you find your soul they can be anywhere you know a rabbit could be best friends with a dog or a

field mouse a dog could be best friends with a cat or a lion a lion could be best friends with an elephant and so we go through all of the animals in the kingdom and back to Noah's Ark. And thus, just remember one thing. You're not an island. You are a bit of land that has other bits of land around you. And if you want to be ostracized, that's fine. But remember, you need a heart. And that heart isn't always your heart. It's one that beats alongside you. I've been Tom Davis. Remember that, Mark Chair, next time you walk away. That might be my favourite one you've ever done, mate. I don't know where that came from.

I don't think a lion can be best friends with an elephant. Yeah, I think in some ways. I like to think that we don't know enough about nature. That Attenborough's holding something back. And that somewhere there's a lion sitting with an elephant now just looking at a big load of water just saying, if only they knew, if only they knew. Okay, well, thank you so much, Tom. Tom, I'll see you for the bonus episode.

Oh, but listen, should we announce now what we're doing? I think you should, Rombo. I think you should. Normally, Tom and I record the bonus episode straight after the main episode, but today we've made the decision, because we're going to be seeing each other in a purely COVID-tested, bubble-type way,

so please don't get your fucking emails in. We're going to be doing it together, for the first time. Wolf and Al, in the same room doing the podcast we'll see you then well you know what you really really really pumped that up it was so pumped and then you just

lost it at see you then let me end it like this and then James if you could put Wrecking Ball at the end of this just the chorus no please don't put Wrecking Ball put it at the end for the first time live rom tom aka the wolf and the owl shall be recording the bonus episode live they're coming in like a wrecking ball I never hit so hard in love.

I actually fucking love that. Hit it. All right, Tomo. See you next time. My guy. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com. That's wolfowlpod at gmail.com.

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