Wolf and Owl - Episode 25

Episode Date: May 26, 2021

We’re talking… more hangovers, another broken tooth, badminton and golf, a Centre Parks holiday and being brilliant at escape rooms. Plus, we get a heartwarming update from a previous emailer and answer questions on old flames, dealing with a loved-one’s past and displays of affection. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Impressive in it, the death bringing, it's head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog Welcome, guess who's back inside the building? The Wolf and the Owl Yeah, boy Oh yeah, oh yeah, homie I've got, just making a mission uh hungover wolf today boy yeah hanging

today now we get is this the first time we've had a hungover wolf on the pod i think so i think no i think earlier earlier we did but i muddled through um i don't know if i'm emotionally hung over or uh just like sort of stagnantly hungover. This is because you finished Red Nats big night out. Yeah, the last. You had a massive night out at the end of it. It wasn't even actually

a big night out afterwards. It was sort of, we had a few beers and yeah, I just, I didn't eat anything really. That was a big thing. I remember when we did

Judge Romesh, I don't think they'd even finish saying it's a wrap before you're out the fucking door and in your car you hung around for this one did you

no we had a nice drink at the end of Gary didn't we we had a good drink at the end of Gary oh it was great it was fun wasn't it I think you had obviously

scarpered off no no I wasn't you deliberately scheduled it so I wasn't in on the last day I don't do the scheduling, it was just like a happy mistake Sorry, you think, what, it's your production company you wrote the thing, you're the star of it

you were an exec on it you expect me to believe you didn't have some sort of hand in making sure I wasn't there for the last night We would suffer in the budget after all you drank in Newcastle You're such a tosser You must have made a fucking saving on the room you booked me you prick making sure I wasn't there for the last night. We would suffer in the budget after all you drank in Newcastle. You're such a tosser. You must have made a fucking saving on the room you booked me, you prick.

I mean, that was going for a quarter of a price of everyone else's. Oh, God. Oh, Romsky. How have you been, Jay? Well, I've just been, I've just come back from Centre Parcs. A couple of things happened. Mike, I live in the high life. It is... You know what?

It does feel like you live in the high life because that place... Trump, Centre Parcs is quite expensive, isn't it? It is so expensive, man. And also, like, my kids, they suddenly start discovering new things that they're into that cost money. Like, for example,

we played badminton twice over three days. My kids have never played badminton before in their lives. You're only good. I'm alright. I'm okay. Not great. But I used to play it when I was a kid. My mum and dad were obsessed with badminton and we used to play quite a bit. My dad's

obsessed with it. Really? What is it about badminton that it doesn't matter if you're shit at every other sport? By the way, this is not a it about badminton that it doesn't matter if you're shit at every other sport I'm not by the way this is not a critique of badminton players when badminton

at its top level looks absolutely insane right but badminton at sort of beginner level leisure centre level

feels like it's a very forgiving sport it is isn't it it really is it's one of the only sports I think I've ever played where I feel I felt

oh actually I've got the hang of this and I think I could probably play at an international level. Okay. Do you mean you could play, I think what you're confusing play at an international level with play abroad. Like, if you're saying... No, if I go to a holiday and I'm in a hotel, right,

and they have got a sweet, sweet badminton court there, I would take all comers. So, if you, okay, first of all, my absolute sympathies to Kat, that she's on holiday with somebody that's got this in his locker. But so you'd see a badminton court and you'd do it like, you know,

like people that are ballsy enough to go up to a pool table and just put some money down. Well, I'd put 50. No, what I'd probably do is I would lurk, not the whole day but like sort of like every couple of hours i'd sort of lurk about the permanent court sort of seeing if anyone fancies a game sort of yeah or make friends kind of friends at the breakfast

buffet and say to them we are a doing you've seen a badman call here and all that and they go aren't you here with your wife? Yeah, or maybe I'd just be a bit more subtle and just carry a badminton racket around with me. Oh, you've got to, honestly, mate, I tell you what,

it's a nice place here. Word of warning, swerve the big gazer with a badminton racket, you'll never fucking get rid of him. Who was the best? Who won most games? Well, actually, Lisa's got some skills,

it turns out. Really? Yeah, yeah, she's good, she's good. It's that thing of like, so, I played with Theo,

our eldest, for the first one. He just said, I fancy having a go at badminton. So, just, him and I had a go while the other two went off and did like this indoor rock climbing or whatever. whatever then then all the family wanted to have a go

so it was all of us it's me Charlie and Alex on one side and Lisa and Theo on the other side and it's that thing of where like you're balancing wanting your kids to have a go with you actually wanting to have a go at badminton it's that that sort of ongoing battle, isn't it? At one point, I'm not proud of this, but I pretty much bundled Alex over to get to a shot. Is any of your boys showing more sort of competence with sport than the others? They've got different, like, they seem to show competence in different things

because I feel really lucky in that, you know, sometimes when you think about the olympics and you watch an olympic event that's like pretty niche and you think to yourself maybe there is a chance that i could have been fucking great at that i just never had a go at it right so so now i'm in this amazing position of being able you know we're all in this amazing position of having this opportunity to try all these different sports so like one of us so charlie's obviously having to go to football all these different sports. So like one of us, so Charlie's obviously having a go at football,

but you find they've got different skills in like different stuff. So for example, Alex, it turns out, I know this is not a sport, he's like a fucking spider monkey

on an indoor climb wall. I mean, it's insane. Oh, hold on a sec. Oh, there's somebody at the door. Hold on one sec.

Here we go. Come on, show off. He's popular. Or he's just a postman or something, I'd imagine. Guys, let me take this moment to say that Romesh actually was quite sad the other day. He said to me that there hadn't been many pictures coming in to make him feel happy. Okay, I'm back. And ignore that, what he just said.

We don't need any fucking pictures, all right? So anyway, so they're all showing different sort of abilities and different things. that what he just said i don't we don't need any fucking pictures all right um so anyway the truth that so they're all showing different sort of uh abilities and different things one of the things i have noticed though is i i don't as you know tom i don't have a competitive bone in my body like i just don't give a shit and i don't know if well you do a little bit i think but like i'm much more competitive as a spectator than I am as a participant. I get so aggravated if Arsenal drop the ball. But when it actually comes to playing, I just don't...

You know when we're doing league or whatever, and Jamie and Freddie obviously being professional sportsmen, when they get so wound up about losing, I don't think our lack of ability frustrates them as much as our lack of giving a shit. I just don't have it in me to care if I lose at something, our lack of ability frustrates them as much as our lack of giving a shit. Do you know what I mean? It's just that I just don't have it in me to care if I lose at something.

Do you know what I mean? Which is incredibly frustrating. Yeah, go on. So this week, I had this massively. Like, I saw it first. So last week, last Monday,

we finished the show and Jamie, in a very, very lovely gesture, says like, do you want to come to my, the golf club he's a member of, right? Me, we'll have a game of golf tomorrow. Me, Harry and a friend of Jamie's, Sweet Pete.

And we, so we go to this amazing golf club, which I would say now is maybe the best hotel that I've ever stayed. It's incredible, this place. You stayed there? Yeah, we stayed there. I woke up the next morning, at probably about 6.30,

and the tension and nerves through my body was like I was playing an FA Cup final or a World Cup final because I was partnered with Harry Redknapp, right? So we were playing a four-ball,

this guy Pete and Jamie versus me and Harry, right? Harry's like one of my ultimate heroes. Like, I do, you know, like me and you are very fortunate we work with people that you go

fucking I like I had a season ticket all the time Harry was a manager at West Ham anyway so we go down to sort of

the clubhouse type thing and in the clubhouse there's like Ryder Cup winners there's professional sportsmen of all levels in the back of my head

the only thing I can think is is like at best I'm below average at golf I've been playing for eight months and, I'm below average at golf. I've been playing for eight months and now I'm on, I essentially feel like I've been picked for the England squad having played one game. You've been playing quite regularly though, haven't you?

One of the good things about you on social media is that we're able to really keep tabs on what you're up to because very rarely you engage in any activity without posting about it. tabs on what you're up to because very rarely you engage in any activity without posting about it so you know i i would say i've seen you in an insta story sort of at a golf club going golf love moment or something like that i reckon two to three times a week for the last few months two most two most okay so anyway even that though right so how are you saying how good are you i said well and this in a scheme that maybe i'm... If I was working as a chef, right, the first thing you make is a cheese sandwich.

You're not going to go move straight onto the soufflés. Right? If I turned up at a chef's course... And they would say, we're going to start with the basics. Number one, we're going to make a cheese sandwich. I would start having a look at the fucking credentials of that place

yeah but cheese sandwich is the easiest thing to make right yeah yeah but I still don't need to be shown how to do it properly like omelette I get scrambled eggs or something like that I I get. Cheese sandwich.

I go, sorry, mate. What the fuck do you think you're dealing with here? So I say an omelette rather than souffle, right? Anyway, I actually play okay. I'm playing all right. I drive the cutlery balls quite nicely, and I'm playing all right. And every time I hit a really good shot, Harry is like, God, Tommy, go on.

Have you pre-empted the red naps about your standard at this stage yeah they both knew that I was going to be shit I mean the worst bit was before the game

everyone was like oh let's knock a few balls everyone hit a couple of balls I mean it was an incredible place to play genuinely I was like fucking but I'm standing

like three people down from a guy who's fucking a Ryder Cup captain like literally going and doing kick-ups next to Messi so I'm like this is fucking insane and my arse just went I was so tense fucking a Ryder Cup captain. It's like literally going and doing kick-ups next to Messi. So I'm like, this is fucking insane.

And my arse just went wild. I was so tense. And then every time I hit a bad ball, Harry was just going... Like that. We had a joke with it, but I could see the competitive nature of Harry versus Jamie, which is like, you know,

father versus son two incredible sportsmen it's not like that that is what it is they are father and son two people going head to head right and the competitive nature

and I'm the person in the mix who's going to lose it for Harry it was yeah how good is Sweet Pete Sweet Pete was better than me

he was good Sweet Pete he had a nice way about him Sweet Pete he was actually he's like the general master of sketches what do you mean good Sweet Pete. Sweet Pete was better than me. He was good Sweet Pete. Yeah. He had a nice way about Sweet Pete. He was actually he's like the general master of Skechers. What do you mean?

I didn't know Skechers had ranks. Yeah. But he's like one of Skechers He's just too above Lieutenant at Skechers.

He's one of the main people at Skechers. Right. Okay. I was the only one who wasn't wearing Skechers shoes which actually

you know in one two made me actually look the coolest of the main people at Skechers. Right, okay. I was the only one who wasn't wearing Skechers shoes, which actually, you know, in one too, maybe actually looked the coolest person out there. Yeah. Yeah, for once,

but, you know, Tom never looked better at show. Yeah, he got. But the, yeah,

the competitive nature between them was incredible. Right. Yeah. And then I could sort of see afterwards when they were having a cup of tea and everyone was speaking about, like, yeah, who'd won the game and who'd lost. Right. Yeah. And then I could sort of see afterwards when they're having a cup of tea

and everyone was speaking about like, yeah, who'd won the game and who'd lost the game. Yeah. I could see sort of like people pointing over at me as the ultimate loser.

But it was fun. You had a fun day. Oh, it was a lovely, beautiful day. Beautiful, beautiful day. Let me tell you,

it was, it made me one of the best breakfast paps I've ever had. Go on, what was in it well no it's just a very nice bit of sausage some quite

just perfectly done bacon and a really nice runny fried egg all in a really soft ketchup of course I'll tell you what you put ketchup on that

it won't embarrass itself right ketchup by the way look I need to actually clarify something I have nothing to do with the

success of tomato ketchup but to my kin and to my brethren that have got in touch uh over the last week uh saying how much they love ketchup and man i've been inundated and i love your from the bottom of my heart i mean there's so much so much to unpack there in what you said i've never heard so many inaccuracies just ram jam packed so tightly first of all nobody suggested that you had a causal effect on the popularity of tomato ketchup okay that's the first thing second thing the people that are getting in touch with not your kith or your kin all right they're just random people that listen to the podcast right and finally

okay you weren't inundated I imagine you received what seven messages probably I know it's double figures probably 13 or 14

what that what that suggests to me is it doesn't take a lot to inundate you is what I would say mate it took me a while to get through the ball. Sure, sure. I had two things happen to me at Centre Park

that I want to talk to you about. See what your take is on them. First of all, in the car on the way back, I was eating a cereal bar. And as I sort of chowed down on the cereal bar, I realized that the cereal bar had taken a portion of one of my teeth with it. Oh, wow. So I basically broke a tooth on the way back.

On a cereal bar? I'm going to be honest. I know, I know. It's like fucking, what am I, 91? But what I was really... Do you know, that's quite the saddest thing about that is at least it's gonna have to go to like wherever you get your cereal bars from the supermarket and ask for softer cereal bars have you tried sort of have you tried just sort

of before he eats them just putting a bit of a warm milk just to soften them up a little bit they're still cereal bars you got any cereal bars? Have you got any cereal bars? Oh, I think we've got some trackers in... Oh, no, no, no. It's been 15 years since we've been able to eat a tracker. Not with his teeth. Have you got any that are just loose in the packet that you can just pour into your mouth?

That you don't have to break up yourself? That you can eat with his back teeth. His back teeth are very strong. So anyway, I broke my tooth. I'm getting it sorted out. Which tooth? Which tooth? Like, back, like, near the back on the right-hand side.

So I debated not telling Lisa about this as it happened. Why? Because she's just so unsympathetic about stuff like that she hasn't had a single filling I haven't had a single filling so she sort of sees that as a massive

kind of takes care of her teeth and like I've seen Lisa's teeth they're lovely you know I'm just saying no i'm not saying you don't take care of your teeth but obviously lisa's in the sort of like you know that's the one thing but i'm not sticking up for lisa here but i will say for on lisa's behalf

that you have to listen to her because she is definitely the one who knows most about teeth in your house because she hasn't had a feeling because she takes care of them yeah but i'm talking to somebody who, what, in the time that I've known them, has broken one of their front teeth, what, 12, 13 times. I've been inundated with stories about you breaking your teeth.

No, I've broken it a number of times. I've broken teeth. I haven't got any fillings. Okay, fine. So I've both got fillings and have broken my teeth. Because my teeth, I think I've got bad genetics, is the truth of it. Yeah, but also, just quickly, when you brush your teeth, how thoroughly do you brush them?

Do you brush them twice a day? Mate, I go to town when I brush my teeth. You need to get an electric toothbrush. I've got an electric toothbrush. And I've got a water pick. Wow. So, you know, I'm not fucking about it. No, but the swan, I think the swan cares about you,

but I think sometimes you need tough love. Do you know the swan's got like four toothbrushes? What? Yeah. She brushes, she's got like a main toothbrush. She's got an electric toothbrush. Then she's got a little thin toothbrush that she does all the, then she's got a final toothbrush for like a finishing it's crazy i know four toothbrushes yeah yeah incredible i know

um the other thing that oh she's back now this one's back i better keep my fucking voice down she's just done p2 otherwise you'll lose another tooth yeah fuck it now Get the old swan's wing straight in a mush. The other thing that happened is that Lisa is constantly telling me that I don't pay attention when I'm doing things, right? Constantly telling me that. I don't concentrate. I don't. Anyway, I came back from Centre Parcs yesterday, and I unpacked my suitcase, and in that suitcase,

I'd brought back with me the fucking tv remote from the lodge what you can get charged for that man that's quite a serious crime within the first first of all first of all first of all don't make it out like i'm gonna have a fucking mob hit on me all right i've accidentally brought the remote back from i don't know how it happened i've got no idea i actually think i actually think one of the kids overheard lisa saying that to me and has stuck it in there as a little don't blame them don't please do not blame charlie alex or thea please i implore you not to i my heart is just going out to the people i just can't stop thinking about the people who are turning up at that lodge following you and sort of someone whispers to

them romesh frank and i think his family was staying here last time and they're like oh wow like that's very exciting um sort of like really feeling like blessed that sort of they're in the same place that you stayed and then they go to watch tv and they can't because you've taken well they can because those centre park lodges have got like seven tvs in them haven't they so they just look at you showing off. No, but they have. They all have. Why are you lent back?

Why are you lent back and said that? No, but they all have. They all have. What lodge did you have? Which lodge were you in? The treehouse one? No, I wasn't in the treehouse. I'm not on that treehouse flex, bro.

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Good night, Mama. Life's a trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. I don't know what it's called. Is it called an executive lodge or something? Oof, nice. But each... So there's a TV in each room. Each of those TVs has got a remote.

And then there's a living room and that TV's got a remote as well. Yeah, but then someone's going, which one did you take? The one from our, I guess the one from our bedroom. It'd be incredible if I took the one from our living room. It'd be, like, willful. Did you chill out on the lazy river at all? Yeah, well, that's another thing, actually, I wanted to talk about, is my anxiety before going to the water bit was just unreal.

We went on Sunday, and I don't want the kids to know that their dad is, like, riddled with these kind of issues. No, you want to know. So I just pretend I'm chilled out about it. But I don't know if there's anything more horrifying than being recognised when you're in swim shorts. I mean, it's just... Especially if someone asks for a picture.

It's just absolutely disgusting, isn't it? I just... I've got to say, I don't mind. And actually, I like, you know, if people ask for a picture, it's absolutely delightful. Although I have been on occasion, when I've been a couple of times in centre parks, once when I was in Portugal at this water park,

somebody come up to me and go, Can I get... That when you went to Phillips Schofield? First of all, I never went to a water park at Phillips Schofield. I'd love the idea of you and Philip Schofield just legging it around me and Philip heading off to the Twister see you in a bit

and actually I've never been to Portugal with Philip Schofield this is because I put there's a photo one photo that went up where we went to this outdoor cinema thing and you fucking held it over me ever since because i missed out my day from seeing you myself and then i yeah as soon as you got out there you were just sort of networking with your crowd lisa said to me it was like he went on holiday

with Will Schofield and Stephen Mulhern oh god anyway that guy when I've been when I was recognised

at a a water park in Portugal and the guy said can I have a photo I just went come on mate look at me you didn't say that did you I said I did say come on mate look at me I said let me I have a photo? I just went, come on, mate. Look at me. You didn't say that, did you?

I did say, come on, mate, look at me. I said, let me go. I'll go grab a T-shirt. I did actually go and grab a T-shirt and stick it on. There's no fucking way. Yeah, yeah. Mate, can you imagine? And he just, I don't know.

I don't even want to think. Was he all right by it? About me getting rid of the T-shirt? Yeah. Well, I think if I'd have said, look, mate, come on, I don't want to do this like this, and just just walked off i think you would have been a bit knocked but i did off yeah i basically did give him the photo but i i just hate i just hate that but actually to be fair you know it was actually better as it is always the case of these things it was better than i

thought it was gonna be you know like the actual the kids loved it and i didn't feel like people there's an arrogance to it there's a slight arrogance to it to going to be. You know, like the kids loved it and I didn't feel like people... There's an arrogance to it. There's a slight arrogance to it, to going into one of these places and being really worried about it. Because essentially what you're thinking is everybody's going to be looking at me. That's kind of partly where that comes from.

But people generally don't give a shit. They've got their own hang-ups to deal with. Do you know what I mean? They've got their own body concerns to worry about. They're not staring out at you. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, anyway. I like it. they've got their own they've got their own body concerns to worry about they're not staring out at you do you know what I mean so yeah anyway

I like it do they still have the which one did you go to Woburn do they still have the the ice bath there where you can jump into no

well I didn't know about any ice bath I'll tell you what I did do for the first time though an escape room oh was it any good mate really so sick what I did do for the first time, though. An escape room. Oh, was it any good? Mate.

Really? So sick. Yeah, I did not expect... Listen, I imagine it depends on who you go with, because what I wouldn't want to do is go with an expert or somebody who considered himself an escape room specialist. So you're saying you don't want to go with me? Do you think you'd be good at that sort of thing?

Let me tell you something. Go back, look at all these crystal mazes for Stamets of Cancer. I was a part of the team that got the most gold tickets. Okay, but I don't understand why that means that you'd be good at escape rooms. Yeah, because crystal maze is the birthplace of all escape rooms. Did you go into any of the rooms? Yeah, I had two rooms that I absolutely nailed. I can't tell if you're being honest. No, no, true, true, man. True saying. And when it came to sort of the rooms? Yeah, I had two rooms that I absolutely nailed. I can't tell if you're being honest.

No, no, true, true, man. True saying. And when it came to sort of like talking about leadership, they were like actually, you know, it was me, Ellie Simmons,

Molly King, and Ollie, is it Ollie Locke from Made in Chelsea? Right. Yeah. So it's the four of you.

I think it was one other person, but I can't remember who that was. Okay. Well, that's a shame. That would be good for years ago. It's a shame, isn't it? For all of the complaining you've done about people making you feel like shit when you go onto these shows,

you can't even be fucking bothered to remember the names of the other people you're on with. Let me just have a look at here. I've never Googled anything on this before. Oh, and it was Nicola Adams the boxer very strong team very strong so in all seriousness how many times did you do it once

you did it once was it fun I did it for stand up to cancer I did actually enjoy it it was a kind of buzz did you used to watch it as a kid yeah of course I did I really liked it

so are you genuinely telling me that you would be, you think you'd be good in an escape room? I would say that like tomato ketchup on any kind of plate, I wouldn't embarrass myself.

I think me and you together would be, I actually, you know what we could do is... Podcast escape room? Yeah. I'll tell you what, mate.

Why don't we insta-live? Why don't you and I, because everything's opening up now, you and I go and do an escape room and we'll Insta Live the thing. Oh, no, we can't. We can't. I don't think we can. Why?

Because it will give it away then, won't it? Don't we ruin that escape room for it? Oh, yeah. But also, it's like, to what end? Like, people, in a way, people, I think, would still get a buzz out of going and just saying, oh, we did it quicker. Because it's not about solving it, it's about how quick you can solve it.

If there are any escape rooms that you'd be willing to have me and Tom... And, like, throw it out, maybe your cousin or a friend or someone you know down at the pub has got an escape room or... No, no, no. I don't want to get fucking just locked in some incel's shed.

No, no. No. But. No. But no, what we need to do is make sure this goes far and wide. Yeah, sure. Just go down to your local escape room and just say,

look, I don't know if you've had the Wolf and Owl podcast, they're interested in just, you know, getting involved. Is it possible for us to insta-live an escape from your escape room? Yeah.

And it has to be an official escape room that I can Google. I don't want you to just fucking, just go, I've done my living room up like one or whatever. Or throw it out to be an official escape room that I can Google. I don't want you to just fucking... I've done my living room up like one or whatever. Or, throwing it out to my kith and my kin and my brethren, maybe you have done an escape room that you thought was

especially hard. Maybe it's the hardest one you've ever been in. I don't think we're ready for a really difficult escape room, mate. Mate, if I'm going into the world of escape rooms, I need to go to the top end. I can't, because honestly, that's how I roll. Why don't we just try an easier one to start off with

and see how we feel, okay? Because what I suspect will happen, if you follow your plan, is it'll just be you and I frustrated in a room for an hour. Someone lets us out. But also, you know, because they get different ones, don't they?

I'm actually really excited about this. Genuinely excited. Mate, I loved... Look, I thought I wasn't going to like it. I did it because of the kids. And... Who's the best at it? You know what?

I'm going to tell you this. Like the first Avengers film, everybody had their moment. There was a time when Charlie, Sean... There's a bit where charlie identified something and i dismissed it foolishly because he's six wow i just went charlie it's not going to be that and it was exactly what he said it was so oh my god yeah yeah he was pretty gracious about it to be fair to him but it was was he yeah but there's a bit of egg on my face

the other two really did let rip about it what about Lisa there? Yeah, Lisa was there, yeah, physically. Was she good? No, she was good. She was actually good. I think Lisa would be one of the top five, ten people I'd have if I was in a skate room. She all seems like pretty man-ed with stuff. And now I know with you that you've got a poo-poo idea because you think you know

best, but I'll follow through with them. You've got that kind of custer vibe about you there's what there's one bit that made me think of you actually because he goes like that he goes just so you know you you know you're exploring all around the room and you're searching the room but you only need two fingers of force i don't know what two fingers of force actually means but you only need two fingers of force on anything so don't force it i it. I just imagine that's for people like you. If I could walk into an escape room, just tear everything off the fucking wall. Plaster coming off.

Furniture broken because you think something's concealed inside the seat of a chair or whatever. How detailed do they go, these things? Mate, it's mad. I don't want to give it away for anybody who visits Centre Park's Woburn, like some of the puzzles i was genuinely i was like this is actually really impressive how they've done this well did you write a review about it no why would

i why would i fucking do that i've got a family and a life i want to enjoy no but there's just like a little book or about center parks i don't think it's good to write a little review and say that while you're here those reviews are just what the fuck I always write them it doesn't change my opinion on them no but I always put like

an hour aside on the sort of like day you're going home to sort of like put an hour aside yeah no just Catherine going Tom shall we start packing of like day you're going home to sort of like right an hour aside yeah no it's a no it's just sort of like just katherine going tom should we start packing just just another half an hour my dear i'm just i'm just filling out my trip memoirs no but i think for other people like-minded souls you turn up there because like look basically you've just said yourself you fooled yourself

here because you're like oh the escape room was amazing, but I didn't think it was going to be. Yeah, so what? So how many millions of people are going to centre parks at Woburn and going, oh, the escape room's not for me? Then they read this plucky little message from someone who's had the time of their life there, and they're like, actually, you know what, I'm going to give that a try.

Yeah, but I did think it wasn't for me, but I did give it a try anyway. So what's your point? Oh, okay. What about Mark or Kevin or Lucius? Yeah, but I did think it wasn't for me, but I did give it a try anyway. So what's your point? Oh, okay. What about Mark or Kevin or Lucius, who turn up and they're like, Oh, I'm not going to come in. Did you go Mark and Kevin and then go, I need to think of an ethnic name here,

and you come up with Lucius? No, that was just three people's names I thought of off the top of my head, right? And those guys guys you know Sandra Melika Saffron they're these people right

they're not I'll tell you one thing those people are not going to hang out together I can tell you that for now no these are all different people from different walks of life who stumble into centre parks

okay and question whether to go into the escape room there at Woburn and all it takes is people just to stand up and go no no actually

I had the time of my life in there I've seen that my top five memories of like holidays you know and they put that in and then people go in and go oh it's actually really really special okay well you know i sort of feel like i'm doing i've recommended it on the podcast so you know also the other thing it's a pancake house so what they've got one at wayburn they've got one at wayburn it does they've got vegan pancakes there wow i had the banoffee oh my god the pancake it tastes like a banana fritter just in and amongst the pancake it was fucking unbelievable mate be honest how many times did you go there well only once only once what really i back. If food's good but I'm at a place like Centre Park

so I'll go at least four times. Yeah, but I can't, you know, I can't be, we can't, we've got the kids, man. If it was just me and Lisa, I definitely

would have convinced her to go back. But you can't, I don't want the kids to start thinking that's normal to fucking get a pancake out seven times across a

three-day fucking break. Oh, God. so what do you reckon do you reckon do you reckon we're going to end up doing these together now what or keep on zoom yeah what do you think i enjoyed them on zoom but i like them together i think we can mix it up the problem is if is if we commit to doing them in the same room, we won't be able to do them twice a week because there's no fun. No, no. How far away from me do you live now? I live 137 miles from you.

Is that true? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me put it down. 140 miles. Holy shit. How come you did 137 off the top of your head like that? Because I'm good at, mate, that's my gift. That is my gift.

What, sort of guessing to within three miles of how far someone's away from you? Yeah. If I was in the armed forces or if I was in, like, sort of like the olden days, that would be like, I'd be like that sort of, yeah. People would come to me and go, oh, yeah, we've got to get here.

I've got to travel to Crawley. Tom, Tom, Tom, we need you now because all the maps have been destroyed. All the GPS has disappeared. So now finally, we've managed to find a fucking very specific set of circumstances in which you're not fucking useless. So you need to tell us roughly to the nearest mile

how far this location don't worry about direction we'll figure that out we'll send different people

to move in all the different directions for the distance that you tell us now mate it's a hell of a

fucking thing though I mean you didn't think it was that I think sometimes you underestimate how big England

actually is when have I ever given you reason to think that I think sometimes you underestimate how big England actually is when have I ever given you reason to think that I've underestimated the size of England no like there when I said like 137 miles you were like oh you look like you thought I was crazy no I didn't no it's not that

I looked because I was like you didn't even hesitate yeah like you hesitate before you use any word that's longer than two syllables like a hundred even hesitate yeah like you hesitate before you use any word that's longer than two syllables but 137 miles he just pulled out straight away um okay time for some emails hit me up baby uh to the wolf owl and of course the good lady swan this is oh anonymous uh more of a discussion piece if anything but i'm currently in an amazing relationship with the girl of my dreams we do everything together my world has become so much happier with her in it however every now and again i get reminded of love i once had throughout my uni years 10 years ago

well i'm still not sure to this day whether it was reciprocated but we enjoyed each other's company immensely and occasionally sting it still hang out whenever we can the problem is i've never been able to completely let my feelings go i've never act on my feelings towards her do us being in such strong relationships currently i often wonder whether she's the one that got away or i was just in love with the moment my question to you is am i in the wrong for having her in my thoughts fairly often and if if so, do you have any advice on how I can let her go? Big shout to you sweet, sweet souls for bringing the world your friendship through this podcast. Keep up the good work. Peace and love.

Tom Davis. I think the truth of the matter is often these people that we're talking about here in this scenario, often the pit these people that we're talking about here in this scenario it's quite often it is just a moment or a time in your life rather than the actual person that you're trying to rekindle something usually it's you know someone you know you're a bit a bit younger and you sort of uh hope you're holding on to that sort of that vibe i personally think it's i think it can be quite a distracting thing as well and quite a sort of, quite a negative thing to think too much about the past and people in the past in that sense. I think it's sort of, it's difficult just to get rid of that.

But I do think it's, I don't know how you, how would you get rid of sort of thinking about someone like that? It's difficult. I look at it and think there's people that, you know, you you you might just might cross your mind every now and again and you think i wonder what they're up to or whatever but i don't think you can ever get obsessed with that and i don't i do think it's more the time than uh the person itself i i kind of i've got to be honest with you but part of me thinks and this is a bit of a weird theory but part of me thinks that there is part of your psyche

that is always looking for what is wrong in the situation that you're in. It's like a part of you that's looking to find a flaw or to find what might make you unhappy, even if you're in a happy situation. And you're in a happy relationship and your mind is going, what could possibly be wrong with this what you know your neurotic your human side the the human nature that wants you to kind of pick at it and sort of undermine it is going oh what about that relationship I had when I was at uni what if that was better than the one I'm having now or what if something had happened

with with that person and that is that is just that is just human nature and I really think the reason that you're thinking about it so much is because you're worried about thinking about it so much you're trying to block it out and you you think if you think about this thing it's like if i go to you don't think about a pink elephant automatically you think about that thing you can't block your mind from thinking these things i mean you've got to accept that you will have those thoughts. And actually, those thoughts mean nothing. That's not you. That's just something that's popping into your head.

That's just something that you're not the same as your mind's eye. You're different to that. I mean, you're separate to that. So even if you are thinking about it, who gives a shit? You're happy in your relationship. You're enjoying your relationship. You're looking back with rose tinted glasses every now and again at this past relationship because your mind is looking for some reason why you've got to remember like commitment is a

difficult thing it's a nerve-wracking thing and if you're thinking about potentially i don't know spending the rest of your life for that person you will inevitably start thinking what if that's a mistake you know part of your brain goes is this right, is this definitely the right thing to do? It's why people get nervous on the day of their wedding, because they're thinking, fuck, is this the right thing? Is this the absolute, the hundred percent the right thing? And so what I would say to you is, look, my advice is to stop punishing yourself so much for it, man. You, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get upset. It doesn't mean that you're betraying your other half, but also you don't have to put a block on it.

You don't have to feel guilty every time that thought pops into your head. Every time that thought pops into your head, all you've got to think to yourself is, that's not the relationship I'm in. I'm romanticising some time from my past and I'm happy in the relationship that I'm in now. And jobs are good, do you know what I mean?

I really think you don't need to worry about it as much as you are. Exactly what Rom said, if I'm honest with you. That was absolutely sweet, sweet advice from the Romski. That was maybe the best advice I've ever had you give. You've said that the last three times I've given advice, by the way. No, I haven't. But that was very silky smooth.

It was nice. It was a nice boy. And I think we can all listen to that. Yeah, listen. And above all, do that. Yeah, listen. And above all, do you. Yeah. Wow.

Using my limerick at the end. Okay. Next is another anonymous. Wow. The Swan really loving the anonymous at the moment. Yeah. This is quite a long one. Okay. Let me settle back.

Okay. Dear Trio. A long email, but can't be bothered to spell it out. It's gone into a lot of detail about the situation, but can't be asked to separate us as people. Anyway, dear Trio, I'm a borderline adequate looking mid-30s man with an amazing wife that I met online five years ago. Three years and a baby later, we decided to move back to her home village to benefit from being closer extended family and most importantly leave the chaos of city life and offer our toddler a

better environment to grow up in. During our get to know each other phase we had the usual chats about our respective past and she didn't want to dwell on hers as she admitted to having a wild one and although she's not ashamed of her life back then she isn't proud of it. The past is the past and that's where it belongs, she said. And I've been comfortable with that since she said it. However, things have changed significantly since our toddler is now at nursery, attached to the one village school. I'm not known by name, but as Sophie's husband, as I'm generally the only black person in the village. And we have a stunning mixed race daughter. Having lived in the city all my life, I wasn't used to the level of celebrity not being white generated but it's all on the positive end of the spectrum so there are no complaints how wrong i was uh being black wasn't my usp this wasn't the reason why people smiled at me at the

school gates i've since found out that my wife had sex with nine of the parents men and women at the school that our child will continue to attend for the next seven years there are only 40 kids in the entire school i'm not a jealous person but this bombshell hit me hard i'll admit to having difficulty taking our daughter to school knowing that the jokey nudges at the school gates are at my expense only last week one of the parents asked if my wife had calmed down or if she's still a goer and i took and it took my overwhelming love for my daughter and desire not to be killed by the local constabulary to not kick this guy's face in right there. But I left in a mood and it unfortunately spilled into the relationship with my wife.

The benefit, she told, of living in a small tight-knit community is being hideously outweighed with the fact that my wife has a greater physical knowledge of the parents at school than the local GP. I've no one to talk this over with as the only people I know here are friends and family. I can't talk to my family as they're still hurt with my decision to leave in the first place and would roll out the I told you so rhetoric. I would really appreciate some advice on how to deal with the situation on the school run and how to approach the conversation with my wife as he shuts it down quicker than a lockdown rave. Ooh, French lavender soy blend candle. I told you HomeSense has good gift options.

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Anonymous. Wow, man. for an hour like my good old days thanks and stay safe anonymous wow man this is a top vault conundrum my friend um look if i'm going to be honest i think that it's a very very difficult um position that you found yourself number one i think it's fucking immature and pathetic and slightly a fucking and this is nothing against your wife that that gentleman walked up to you and said such a thing because i think that guy's a fucking scandalous i think so i think you have to rule the fact out that he spoke like that because um every every one of us has a past and i think the fact of the matter is you know you know as an adult i think the one thing is you separate you know someone who's

you know grown up and whatever people, you know, are going through or, you know, whatever situation they found themselves in, you have to kind of fucking let that be. Do you know what I mean? Because you've not married and you've not had a child with the, you know, the late teenage, early twenties version of your wife. You've done that with someone you've met who has gone through all

that and become a solid person someone that you've chosen to start a family with and someone that you you know have have you know given a lot and given up a lot for and i think that there's there's clearly a very very amazing solid relationship that you have there um i think that the big trouble is i i live in a small town but I live in a slightly small town I think the thing I noticed

when I moved here was sort of how how many people sort of seem to know sort of like you know what you're doing on a daily thing

or that they will there'll be more interest in your life it was sort of coming moving from London I found that absolutely fucking

mind-boggling how you know where you can sort of walk around walk around walk around and no one really gives a shit who you are and all of a sudden everyone's got a bit of a story. It's a very, very small hub and a small community. I think there's a side of it where that level of gossip and that level of intrusiveness is just the nature of living in a small place like that. I think it is for you to now sit with your wife i think and and you you have to have that conversation

with her whether she tries to shut it down or whatever she does but it's it's going to be a big deal for you like you're moving forward you know with your daughter i also think it's it's worth i don't know how you go about this but I think if people say some stuff to you like that, you kind of have to, you have to know the facts, I guess, from your wife, but then you have to be able to shut them down.

And because it's not fair, it's not, you know, it's not fair on you, but also it's not fair on your wife to be talked about in such a way. And, and the mother of your daughter to be talked about in such a way. I genuinely find that as,

I find that pretty scandalous and I feel quite upsetting that adults talk like that. I know they do because most of them haven't got anything else more interesting to talk about in their lives than other people. But I do think, man, I think it's up to you to sort of take this bull by the horns, speak to your wife. And I think if anyone says that, I think it's try and keep your cool. But I think if someone steps to you think it's try and keep your cool but I think if someone steps to you and says something like that to your wife

I think you're well within your rights to tell them to shut up and not speak to you again if I'm going to be completely honest I think that's disgusting behaviour from that guy Yeah I agree with that I think that guy's an absolute prick. I think you've got a bit of a perfect storm of a situation

here in a negative way in terms of your wife has had the past that she's had and that is within a small village. And there are people that have pasts like that that it's not even spoken about because they grew up in bigger areas, do you know what I mean, or bigger cities or towns or whatever. So you're in an unfortunate situation there. There's a couple of things to say about this first of all the reason that everyone's talking about it is because you

guys have just come back or she's just come back and this is like one of seven things that might have happened that year do you mean in terms of things to talk about and so that's the reason why everyone's going on about it but the truth of it is is that people will stop talking about it you know they will stop talking about and i'm not trying to make this about me but like when our kids first started school i remember like getting attention or whatever because of having a tele profile but now people just don't give a shit i mean people just get used to that and the reason i mentioned that is because people will just get used to this. It will stop being an interesting thing for people to talk about. Even if it wasn't, the fact of the matter is, mate,

is that your wife's past has nothing to do with you. And I don't mean it in a negative way. What I mean is this all happened before she knew you. She's chosen to be with you. You've got a beautiful daughter. None of that shit matters, man. None of that shit matters man none of that shit matters at all whether the fact that it bothers you though is a problem and i would say like as tom said

talking about it to your wife i think the bigger problem is not what her past is but the fact that she just sort of feels reluctant to talk about it with you because the truth is it's like it doesn't it doesn't matter it has no bearing on your present or your future unless you allow it to. And, you know, you're currently allowing it to because she's been cagey about talking about it and your fear of what it is is probably making you build up to more than it is in your head. So I think that's something you've got to kind of come to terms with. The other thing that you've got to kind of come to terms with the other thing that you've got

to work out is whether this is such a negative thing for you that you don't want to live there and I know that's an extreme thing to say but you've either got to make peace with this or you guys got to think about moving because at the moment just based on what you've said in this email it doesn't feel like you're very happy with the situations it is. Now that might be temporary and it might be once you have a chat with your wife and once you've kind of, the village has got over the excitement of, of having you guys there that'll pass and you can get on with like living a

normal life. Or that's a longer term problem. And you guys have got to think about maybe change, changing the circumstances to make that better. That's up to you guys to sort out, but it needs talking about, you know, and I think if you bury it,

it's just going to, it's just going to get worse and worse. And then that's going to start turning to resentment. And then there's no coming back from that. I think as well, it's worth saying on another note, not talking about your, because obviously,

you know, the whole thing with your wife and all that, and which is as rosh is it's a perfect storm of a bad situation but i also think you know while you're focusing on that i think your attention should also be focusing on on a bit of resolution with your own family you know to reach out to them because it makes makes me quite sad hearing that you haven't you haven't got that support network where you are um and you know you need that as a human being you need to have people you know i think when you move away like i said you know when you work with where you can come ever so reliant on um

just one person and that will that will change the dynamic of your relationship even outside just the uh you know just just what else is going on at the school gates. Because all of a sudden, she's the only person you've got around. So you're probably overcompensating certain levels of sort of like attachment there. And I think you need to make sure you focus on getting together with your friends, talking to your friends, talking to your family. Yeah.

And also the other thing I do, like, I do want to say, like, if your wife doesn't want to talk about her past you know we don't have a right to demand that we know everything from other half's past I mean it's like that is personal to her and you know although I said her not talking about it has has probably blown up in your head if she doesn't ever want to talk about it that is also okay do you know what I mean? So look, the truth is it's quite a complicated situation, but as is the case with all of these things,

talking about it will make things better. You know, you need to take some sort of action and sitting on it and, and not discussing it and letting it fester is only going to cause further problems. In my opinion, and the Wolf's opinion, good luck,

mate, please keep in touch and let us know how it goes um okay how do you think we handled that that felt quite a tricky one that was a tough one i hope he's okay i send him love and i send him faith okay so this is from damon and he's giving himself an animal name here aka the croc um dear wolf owl and swan brackets no need to keep a nun you may remember a couple of weeks back you answered my question regarding the future of the wolf and owl pod so first of all I'd like to say thanks to the swan for choosing my question for the bonus episode that week I thought I'd try my luck again

but this time so first of all we can see what's happening he's giving a little bit of thanks to the swan and she's picked him out a second fucking time um I thought I'd try my luck again but this time so first of all we can see what's happened he's given a little bit of thanks to the swan and she's picked him out a second fucking time I thought I'd try my luck again but this time something a little more personal as I'm always fascinated and enjoy listening

to your heartfelt and honest advice my wife often makes comments to me about not showing her any affection in regards to hugs telling her I love her etc

we can often follow up asking if I'm getting bored of her now she couldn't be any more wrong we've just been together for 14 years married for almost 8 and have 3 Now, she couldn't be any more wrong. We've just been together for 14 years, married for almost eight, and have three children.

Inside, I couldn't be happier. She's my world. It's just a shame I don't know how to show it on the outside. Don't get me wrong, this isn't all the time, but it does crop up more than anything else. I'll be the first to hold my hands up and agree with her, to be honest, but that's just the way I am. I'm pretty sure I always have been.

To me, I've never been an affectionate guy. I'm not one for sharing my feelings. And I think I'd find it hard now to change after all this time. I hate her feeling this way. So I was wondering if you guys have ever had any similar situations or have any advice on this matter on how I can try and stop her feeling this way. P.S. It's my 36th birthday on Sunday, as well as our wedding anniversary on the same day.

So it'd be great to get a message off the wall for now. Keep up the good work. Love the croc uh happy birthday and happy anniversary from both of us happy birthday croc dog um listen uh i you know i i think that actually your scenario here is a lot more common in uh men uh of a certain age than you you you'd ever think i think that i think sometimes we take for granted that the women that we're with uh or the men that we're with or whatever just know how how we feel about them we we sort of i think get to a point where we don't think we have to sort of show them and we have to sort of do that i think just because we i think we just sort of i've i've been in a scenario as

well i'll tell people how much i adore my wife i love my wife and all that and then i realize she'll say to me oh you haven't actually said that to me and i think oh fucking hell i've you know i haven't because i just take it for granted that she she knows how i feel about her so i've been in a position where i sort of check myself more and more now to make sure that I convey that across to her and sort of how I feel you know um but I think it's I think it's more common than you I don't you know than you'd think I think I mean I don't know about you Ron I mean you've been with you've been at least a little bit longer I've been with Catherine do you ever have that at all or I mean that bitch hasn't touched me for five years uh no I'm joking I I totally agree with you i i think that um it's very easy to fall into

it's funny that isn't it because people assume that when you've been together a long time that you just you're not in love anymore they sort of think you know there's loads of jokes you know it's an old comedy stand-up comedian's trope about oh my god i've been with this woman for 10 years and i'm done with whatever you, you're in love with your other half, but you just basically fall into sort of the habits that you're comfortable with each other. You don't feel the need to do any sort of showy affection. And so you just don't do any affection.

But the truth of it is, look, look at the wording of what you said. I love her so much, right? I couldn't be happier. She's my world. Mate, I'll be honest with you, man. I just think you've got to show her a bit of affection. It's not that... If that's what she really wants and she's your world,

I think you've just got to make that a conscious thing that you do. Do you know what I mean? I actually think if you give her a few hugs, tell her you love her, the difference in her self-esteem will be massive. And actually, I think you'll notice a positive effect in your relationship, man. I really, really do.

Hey, okay, Buster. Go and do it now. Don't write emails to guys that you're infatuated with. Go and tell your wife you love her. Yeah. Go and give her a hug. Go on, Croc. Actually, I want to shout out now to everyone who's listening

to this podcast right now. In my hungover state, the first thing I'm going to do when I finish this is I'm going to go and tell my goddamn wife I love her. And if you're listening to this, go and do the same. You deserve it. Oh, you hungover arsehole.

Okay, it's time for the last email of the ting before i go off and do some my first personal training session in a while uh i can't wait to see you this is for a this is from a non a non a non to the wolf the owl and the swan and this is somebody who messaged me messaged us a while ago tom so uh this isn't really about advice this is just an email to to read out before you close out the show for us to the wolf the owl and the swan well what can i say you boys gave me a beam of light in the darkness a very low point in my life i've taken on the advice from tom about being a better friend to myself and i'm trying not to think about the friends i've lost and more the friends i might make in the future and i look forward to maybe contacting some of the people that contacted the Thank you. means more than you'll ever know. The fact I'm ending my three-point turn in that cul-de-sac

and I'm starting to look to the future. Things are shit, but they can get better and I was starting to forget that. I'm humbled that people have reached out to the podcast. That stuff brings tears to my eyes. It's nice to know that people care and that's what it's about at the end of the day. A little bit of love and care goes a long way.

Thank you so much, Tom, Rom and Lisa from the bottom of my heart. And he's given me some reggae recommendations because I talked about reggae the other day. What a lovely, isn't that nice?

I'm not going to lie, Rom. I just about held it together through that. Very sweet. Very, well, you know,

I think we all know who it's from. So, and, and the dilemma, and I, you know, of everyone,

I had, I had people message me on Instagram to sort of send his info over or whatever. Yeah. Well, Rom, I guess that's it, brother. Yeah. Thank you for your email.

Email's completed. Yeah. Yeah, we're done here. Okay, Tom, can you please... Well, actually, before we do that, can we just say

thank you so much for emailing back in. And Lisa has been passing on stuff, so the swan has been doing her duty in terms of passing on contact details to this guy. So good luck. Keep in touch. Big shout-out to the swan. Yeah, big shout-out to the swan. I love you, swan, with all of my heart.

I'm going to give you the hugging of your lifetime when I finish recording this, although you're out. Who knows with? Who with? Anyway. You'll get back from PT. You'll be sweaty and manly. I'll be all sweaty and fucking pheromones coming out the anus.

Okay. I don't know why I said that. Tom, take us out, please. And they patrolled the woods. The wolf prowling, slow and steady, cool and calculated, the owl squawking upon his back, looking for those in need, looking for those who'd fallen, some from great heights or some who'd just tripped. At one point, they came across a deer.

It had a terrible time of it and they helped him out and they gave him some suggestions and he actually went about his life and shit got better. And then they found a lonely squirrel, a grey squirrel in a sea of orange squirrels. And for a while, they spoke to him and the owl flew off and found some worms and they fed it to him and the grey squirrel became friends with the orange squirrels and then he had sex with an orange

squirrel and they had a grey and orange squirrel baby so you know his life got better and they continued to walk around the woods helping animal upon animal you know ducks and uh foxes and badgers and such and one day the wolf made a great fire and they sat together both smoking cigars as the fire licked their feet or claws and the owl said we've made so many other animals happy haven't we and the wolf said yes but you know what the internal happiness is the one that we've made ourselves good night night, dear friend. And they both went to sleep knowing that happiness was their dreams.

Okay. There's a couple of things there. One, when you sort of do these, I do try and picture them in my mind's eye. It's very difficult to know how animal-like and how human-like we are, because you do mix it up in terms of the things that we're able to do um we're able to start a fire and light cigars

also wandering around the woods sort of helping other animals um and then the other thing is is you really have made you really have bigged up our contribution to sort of general life haven't you yes yeah yeah i mean us walking around sort of improving all of the other animals lives yeah i know yeah i think i think you might i think that last email might have you might have dropped the kool-aid off the back of that if i'm honest with you that last email was very hard to come off the back of and do anything but like a really big switch and also you've got to remember like my head is in quite a hungover state so it is sort of i feel very melancholy at the moment hold on lisa's just this one's just come back i'm just going to do a little experiment hold on

lisa can you come in here a sec we're just ending the podcast we're just bringing the podcast in i just ending the podcast I just want to let you know I love you so so much I just want to let you know I love you so so much you mean the world to me why are you doing this I'm not doing

why are you doing that I'm just telling you I love you bye Tom see you guys it really can be magical all you've got to do is reach out so embarrassing when she said

why are you doing that well you know what James Torrance play us out with the Jackson 5 I'll be there you and I must make a pact

we must bring salvation back where there is love I'll be there I'll be there oh god I'll be there. Oh, God. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com.

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