Wolf and Owl - Episode 44

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

We’re talking… sore throats and posture straps, osteopathy cults, social media meltdowns and some very exciting trainspotting news. Then some of your email questions on someone getting your name wrong, celebrating a retirement and how to tell if a guy’s into you. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You sound so strained. You know what you sound like? You sound like a children's TV presenter who's just not got the heart for it. Hey, guys. Hey, guys. Welcome to the Wolf and Owl. You've started going out on, like, Thursdays before a big Friday show. We've got a hell of a show for you.

Oh, a little bit of powder on my mustache. Don't worry about that. That's just some sugar from a donut I had before we started. That's just where Timmy just dropped some sugar on my face. Oh, no. Okay. Time for the wolf. For now, we're going to get up to all sorts of fun. Oh, God, mate.

I've done three tour shows in a row. I've not done it for such a long time. That's the problem. How did that go, boy? That's the problem how did that go that's the problem nice great great thank you to Brighton Brighton Dome

all the staff there home games Brighton for you though right because it's near to where you live correct but there is quite a divide between Brighton

and where I live because Crawley Brighton sort of looks down on Crawley a bit oh really so even it's sort of like an old sort of Shakespearean, sort of Dickens-esque tale, sort of like, you know,

the sort of pauper prince from sort of Crawley, who sort of travels down to the big kingdom of Brighton. You once laughed at me, and now look at you. You come in your droves to watch me. Tables have turned, Brighton. I've got a question did you dress up at extra fancy like because you wanted everyone what did you wear no i'll tell you what i'll tell you what did happen mate so i was wearing this like little um i wore this ralph lorraine nice

varsity jacket right oh i love a Bar City jacket. Anyway, I wore it and then in the interval of the first show somebody had taken a photo of the stage and then sent it to me. My perception of what I looked like on stage and the

reality of it brought home to me by that Instagram photo was... What did it not look? It looked awful. Really really this looks so insane just yeah just my my i told you know my head looked like it was coming out the front of the jacket like fucking b-bop or whatever just my posture was absolutely terrible just the way my jeans were fitting on me, hanging off my flat-A arse. Just awful. You know that... I actually talked about it.

I actually came out for the second half, spent the first five minutes talking about the breakdown I just had in the interval. Just literally was willing a load of people who just had six points in an interval to feel sorry for you. Yeah, I know. Just all of them said,

I just came out for a nice night. I've never watched a guy have a fucking breakdown. I find that posture is a real weird thing, isn't it? Yeah, I actually bought a posture strap. What? What, from the internet? Did you go and see a posture specialist? No, I went to the posture strap shop.

Mate, you can't scrimp on such divine delights. You have to... No, but let me... But you're right. Okay, first of of all you are absolutely correct so when it comes to backs mate not one size fits all all right you gotta be really careful fucking about your back because i'm gonna tell you this now and you might not know it you only get one back honestly yeah well i think you know slightly disrespectful talking to a hindu

and saying that you know we believe in reincarnation right you only get one back in this life I'm joking you might even come back as a snake who doesn't have a back that's your

that's your go-to animal for what I'd come back as well no I'm just saying it's a snake a snake they don't have backs so they do have backs

they don't have spines do they they do have spines no they don't because they wriggle around all the time like worms yeah but they have spines well maybe you'd be a worm then because They don't have spines, do they? They do have spines. No, they don't. They wriggle around all the time like worms. Yeah, but they have spines. Well, maybe you'd be a worm then because they don't have spines. Okay, fine.

Thank you so much for moving from snake to worm. So, anyway, I was sort of annoyed about my posture because I sort of hunched. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like my head's coming out forwards from the body rather than sitting on top of it. That happens to... You see a lot of old people like that, don't you? Like tortoises.

Like, they lean forward quite a lot like that. Yeah, I know. I don't know. What's going on with you today? Did you wake up this morning thinking, I'm going to finally finish Romesh off? No, I'm being sympathetic. I know exactly what you mean.

It doesn't feel like it. No, no. It doesn't feel like it. I'm telling you about something that's happening. Oh, yeah, old people do. It happens to old people. No, no, no, but that's what I'm saying. The heads go really forward, don't they?

It's horrible, isn't it? No, it's so funny the way you push your head forward. No, I'm saying you've got to be careful of that being a thing. I'm there for you, brother. But you have to really not fuck about with this yeah okay so i i looked online and they got this thing that sort of it's like a harness that sits over the top of your body and you sort of pull it tight and it pulls your shoulders back or whatever and um so i wore that for a bit um when did you buy it how long do you buy it again i bought it maybe five months. No, longer than that.

Eight months ago. But yeah, and I didn't use it regularly enough for it to make any real difference. But now every time somebody takes a photo of me from the side, which happens a lot at tour shows, I hate it. I hate how I look. I hate how I'm stood.

This is why. Did you ever watch Happy Feet? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking more Ninja Turtles. Well, I always feel like, you know, the elder penguins that sort of stood at the top of the mountain just having a go at them all. I always feel like I stood like that. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, horrible. You know, if you were a Ninja Turtle, you'd be Donatello. Oh. And what would you be? Fucking Michelangelo or Carl fromfront pizza around like a legend? Or Raphael. What, the leader? Which one is the leader?

Leonardo is the leader. But Raphael wants to be the leader, right? Is that right? Yeah, so yeah, I probably wouldn't be him because I'd probably be more like leadership skills in some ways. You know what you should do though, man? And this is what I'm prescribing you as a friend because I'm worried about this. I went went to see an osteopath right okay you went to see

an osteopath yeah are you doing this on purpose now no an osteopath an osteopath yeah an osteopath yeah they're amazing they literally he basically i thought my problem was in my lower back before you before you carry on have you ever heard anyone pronounce it like that ever I've never heard anyone really talk

about them before until I got until I found so when you how did you find this osteopath well I was speaking to someone at a golf club

and he said he'd like to see one and you said I'm looking for an osteopath no he said he'd been seeing an osteopath he said so this somebody else

said to you I've been seeing an osteopath yeah okay it's just that everyone else I know that has ever said it he'd been to an osteopath. He said, so this, somebody else said to you, I've been to see an osteopath. Yeah. Okay. It's just that everyone else I know that has ever said it, it says it osteopath.

Uh, well, it's the same sort of thing. If you think about it. No, no, no, listen, there's no,

there's no confusion. There's absolutely no confusion. And you're not, you know, you're not, I know what you're talking about. It's osteopath is what anybody, everybody.

I've never literally talked about it much before. What I'm saying to you. but this guy, but somebody said to you're talking about. Osteopath is what everybody... I've never literally talked about it much before, right? What I'm saying to you. Yeah, but somebody said to you osteopath. Yeah. That guy at the golf course said to you osteopath. Who? Kari. Kari, if you listen to this podcast,

can you get in touch and just confirm whether Tom is remembering this correctly and that you said osteopath or did you say osteopath? Just let us know, please. He has done wonders for Kari's body. It's subtle and it's life. whether Tom is remembering this correctly and that you said osteopath, or did you say osteopath? Just let us know, please. He has done wonders for Kari's body. It's subtle and it's life, right?

Subtle? Yeah, subtle. Subtle, is that right? I don't know if you've deliberately set up to do... No, no, no. Subtle. Right, supple. It's supple and it's life Right, supple. It's supple

and it's lithe. Right? Lithe. Lithe. Lithe. Supple and lithe. Right? He's got such

dexterity in his whole body, right? Okay? He's really, like, he's... I think just for five minutes or so,

just steer clear of words like that for a bit. Just to sort of give yourself a chance to reset. Anyway, go on. His golf's is incredible i go and see the sociopath right uh he's like what do you think the problem is with your body i list off a number of different things right it's like a fucking therapy cheap psychic yeah um just letting you lead all the information yeah go on and then i then say to him that man I'm worried about a number of different things.

And I think it's my lower back. I think my worry is constantly my lower back just crumbling into sort of like sand. Dust. Yeah. That is my worry. So he then says, take off your clothes. I take off all my clothes apart from my underpants

because I'm guessing he doesn't need to see that. Which he didn't. So that was good on my part okay well done shared a bit of initiative paid off uh he then just rubs his hands all over my back um actually on my buttocks a little bit my hips right and my legs right it sort of sounds like the opening to an erotic story then I'm like he says do you feel any pain here and he's on my lower back I said I don't feel pain I'm worried about it crumbling he then just rubs his hands up to my shoulders

and my shoulder blades and then he says this here this is the problem and I said right you carry too much tension in your shoulders you carry the weight of the world in your shoulders you carry like the weight of the world on your shoulders he did not say that he did you carry the weight of the world on your shoulders yeah yeah right christ okay then he literally just sort of starts like doing that

he then lays like lays me slowly on my front right and then he starts just really like pulling at me and sort of like throwing me about a bit like getting his like a real give me real like going over like a really deep sort of like sort of tissue massage kind of thing and pulling up all my all my limbs get pulled right yeah yeah i skip out of there and since then like and i've been back to see mr merriman a couple of times, right? Why would you name him? Right? And I feel delicious in my posture. Really?

Yeah. When's the last time you went? Well, obviously, I've been filming. No, but he's given me exercise, breathing exercises. Because you know what, right? This is a little one for you. And maybe you can, because I'm not sure how seriously you take breathing, right? I want you, four times today, to stand up, breathe in very hard,

so take it in right to your lungs, right, and then breathe out, get rid of all the dirty, filthy, scummy old air that's in your lungs, right? Okay? Right? Yeah. And then do that four times, really, really fucking, like, pay attention. And everyone listening to this, and then just look at you in the mirror, smile, and fucking, like, pay hit. And everyone listening to this, and then just look at you in the mirror,

smile, and say, I'm breathing. What a miracle. Why? Because you want to feel like what it's like to be a c***? No, Rob. No, I'm trying to help you out. No, I understand the breathing in and out hard. That I get. Why do you have to say, I'm breathing?

It's a miracle. Because you need, what? This is the thing, to say I'm breathing? It's a miracle. Because you need... Right, this is the thing. I think you might have joined a cult. I haven't joined... You've got to, like, look at your body and... I'm going to find out.

I'm going to read a news story where you amongst 20 to 30 others were found dead alongside Mr Merriman in some warehouse. Warehouse? Where it's like... to 30 others were found dead alongside Mr Merriman in some warehouse warehouse? where it's like it's shut off all the air to the building and then asked you guys to breathe in and out

really deeply but how often do you do breathing exercises? well it's interesting that you bring this up Tom because Lisa the swan has been teaching me do breathing exercises well it's uh it's interesting that you bring this up uh tom because lisa the swan yeah um has been teaching me not teaching me he's been telling me to breathe from my stomach rather than my chest do you know yeah you heard this yeah so so she so obviously you know i don't want to go on and on about this but i I've been running. And she said to me, one of the reasons you get out of breath

is because you're breathing too high up, she keeps saying. She's a drama teacher, so she's all about breathing. So she says, you need to breathe from your stomach. So she started, like, trying to get me to breathe more deeply. Is this all consistent with your teachings of you and your leader? Yeah, Lisa and Merriman sound like they'd be like two peas in a pod in a lot of ways. So, yeah, that's the teachings I've been using as well.

So it's good to see that both me and Lisa are both coming at you at the same, sort of with the same artillery. Yeah. You've got to make your tummy really big. I like this. No problem, sir. That ship's sailed, mate. You know, that ship sailed mate you know when you're sort of

helping out or when you I don't know what I like less when you know less than me about something

or when you know more when you know more you sort of you sort of take I don't know

if you're aware of what you're doing you've taken on this kind of real smug, patronising tone. No, I'm not trying to be patronising. I'm just like everyone else, worried about, like, I just want to basically get you. What I want to do is fucking get phone work today,

because I'm filming, say, look, I can't come in, there's an emergency coming up. Literally turn that phone call off and be straight on the phone to Merriman and say, listen, mate, we've got an emergency down in Crawley. Yeah, and then work, say, why have you had to take the whole day off to make one phone call? No, because then me and Merriman would come down to Crawley.

Why do you need to be there? Why do you need to be there? No, just to help out. The last thing I want when I'm having, like, a sort of a relaxing massage breathing experience is you on the sidelines like my fucking part birthing partner talking me through it no but right this is what this would the worst thing would be right if merriman just turned up randomly at your house

and knocked on the door and lisa was like hello who's this and he's like hi i'm merriman i'm here to see romesh about his breathing and then you'd'd be like, oh God, I'm nervous about seeing him and all that. And you'd probably start upstairs and Lisa would be like, come down, Rom, come down. He's bloody actually all right. We've had a cup of tea together. And then you'd sort of come down

with your hands in your pockets and Merriman would be like, oh yeah, I can, right, let's get you bloody breathing, mate. Right? If I was there, I would be able to mediate all of that. So the situation

how how talk me through so Merriman turns up I go oh I don't want to do this and I go upstairs yeah

and what do you listen to Merriman you sprint upstairs as soon as there's a bang on the door because you notice him right Lisa goes

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Merriman goes, oh, you know, if he doesn't change, he'll stay the same, right? He doesn't sound the most profound guy, if I'm being honest with you. And I say, Merriman, Lisa, go and get yourself a green tea each, right?

I'll deal with this, and I'll come up to your room, and you'll be... Do you come upstairs? Yeah, I'll deal with this and I'll come up to your room and you'll be... Who's there? Yeah, I'll do a gentle tap like this on your door, right? Yeah. And you'll go, who's there?

And it'll be, it's me, mate. And you'll be like, what do you want? And I'll say, mate, you know what we talked about? You're bloody breathing

earlier on the podcast. I'm here with Merriman now and we're here to change your life you want your life to change and you're going i'm scared of change you know that tom and i'll go look come out you'll be five solid minutes of breathing and if this doesn't change your life i'll buy you a big vegan kebab and some chips and we'll go to the park and then you open the door and you'll stare at me in

your eye and you'll go it's better bloody work friend and i'll go have i ever let you down before all right we'll go down merriman will do this when you walk down looks like somebody wants to change his life oh my gosh all. Right? And then we all just did the breathing exercises. Afterwards, you just smile at me and Lisa

like a golden retriever who's found biscuits for the first time, right? And you'll look at us both and go, wow,

that's exactly how I dreamed it would be. And Merriman just basically... Listen, listen, listen, right? You do these bits a lot where

you sort of role play as me right by the way just you know tom's basically fucking orgasming right now in glee at what he's just done at the end of the story is merriment basically just smiles and nods and then says you know i'll see you both i'll see you all later and he gets in his car and leaves why did we why did we return to that ending? Why did we need to... Why did you interrupt me to end the story with Merriman gets in his car and leaves?

I thought there was another bit to the story. No, no, no. So you've gone, no, no, hold on, hold on. You've gone, hold on, hold on, hold on. The Merriman gets in his car and leaves. Yeah. Are you looking at your fucking watch for?

No, I was just saying if it was Merriman texting, because I just texted him. People email in and they love that bit when you, these bits when you sort of pretend to be me or whatever. I think a particular fan favourite is when you pretended to be me in the trenches. Right, yeah. Right. And I know you're doing it for a joke yeah it really

just upset me what you think of me as a person why this sort of like in this sort of kind of nerdy kind of ratty oh sort of pathetic human being look the truth of me and you right is i guess like you say we are basically two dogs right and we're puppies and we've been brought out like brought up inside like until we're allowed to go outside right when the back that gate sort of the back door opens to go in the garden i'd spread out there i'd sniff the flowers and i'd roll with rolling the dewy on the dewy lawn and you you know, sort of like be inquisitive and stuff. And because, you know, in some ways that's actually quite dangerous and it's actually a bit fucking edgy, right? Edgy?

No, but then you'd be at the back door going, oh, God, I really want to get out there, but I don't know if I can do it, right? Until the owner of us as dogs kicks you out the backside and then you fall out, you do that little Disney roll thing like you roll over and then you look around and the back door closes

and I'm there on the lawn going, bloody hell mate it's amazing, I've just chased the bumblebee and then you're like wow, and then you just do what I'm doing and you love it well, it's sort of I've gone to you, really really upsetting what you think of me and you go no no it's not like that and then you fucking reiterated it even more you absolutely

fucking hammered me there it's quite sweet it's sweet it's endearing is it one of the things i love most also also it does sort of uncover the god complex that you've got i've got god i've come after being kicked out the back door, I said, oh, gosh, I'm doing what you're doing. Why don't you go fuck yourself? I just keep seeing him like a little pug, but with your face. You'd be a Labrador, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit boundless and full of life and love

you know constantly being tickled on the tummy and loving it oh i could imagine that because this is a bit like how it is on the podcast of us two wandering around yeah and then people coming up and petting you isn't he lovely and and then just looking at the me the pug is going what's wrong with the other one is that one all right you'd be quite cute actually that's quite interesting as well because pugs have breathing problems as well well there you go it's all i don't have breathing problems oh lisa said about you breathing from your chest no it's not a breathing problem it's sort of encouraging me to breathe in a different way she doesn't say i've got a breathing problem well no you've got to be careful because when you're

right if you're running or not just make sure you get on top of that breathing maybe we should just go running together or I'll be on a bike you can run because I'm more of a cyclist obviously but yeah I just sort of cycle alongside you how did you cope yesterday mate with the whole fucking social media collapse

what the old Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp yeah coped right actually although because i'm not on twitter anymore i suddenly realized how dependent i am on instagram for sort of just shits and giggles uh so that was tricky did you go back did you go back on twitter i know a lot of people went back on there no no that that twitter is too poisonous for me to ever fucking go back there i told you occasionally I have a look on there. Like, you know, I don't ever access my account.

I don't even remember what my password is now. Yeah. But if I... Occasionally I'll go on there, and it'll always be somebody saying something horrible to me. Yeah, it's not nice. Do you know what I mean? I don't mean that in a kid way.

I just mean every time like i've looked at it i reckon four times in since i've quit which was like january right so and every time in amongst the sort of comments there'll be somebody saying something horrible or more than one person saying something horrible so then i think there was a why would i come back onto twitter do you know what i mean it's just like it's such an odious place isn't it I actually sort of thought it was quite nice

actually having a little bit of a break from it all I mean obviously it's quite scary thinking about the what might have been I actually think it sort of allowed us

to sort of have a little insight into the paradise of social media disappearing yeah but also what was nice was I think,

well, you know what it showed me is how much of the time I spend, like, do you know, like, with anxiety, right, and any kind of, like, phones are coping mechanisms for any kind of sort of, like, if there's any tragedy or any kind of sort of, like, any sort of change in the system, you know, like a baby or like a kid, you'll reach for your favourite toy or a blanket. Phones have become that for adults.

So even if you're watching, like if you're watching Married at First Sight, you're watching something and something becomes quite awkward or something becomes quite sort of cringey, you'll reach for your phone. And that's the usual sign of just like going, oh, I'm feeling like fucking weird about this.

So you're just looking, you know, as a sort of comfort from that but it was quite interesting yesterday just not to have that as a sort of like stabilizers so all of a sudden you're sort of like oh my god i've got to be like more at one with yeah the other thing i found was that i didn't realize how much i rely on whatsapp yeah and then i started texting people it felt like i was fucking sending carrier pigeons it just it just it just feels like such a different experience isn't it isn't it weird that me and you uh are text friends what rather than whatsapp friends no we don't whatsapp each other do we no we don't because it's because uh you like to send little voice notes don't you you do that i mean you can do that you can do that on whatsapp but for some reason

i don't know i think like it's quite sweet whenever i look at my texts and if i you know like if if there was such a thing as a bill i'd be like wow i've spent like i don't know in a pound seventy and romesh messages because you're about the only person i actually text text yeah you're the only person i text it just gives you an indication that we're not really friends well no we are friends we've actually got a whole app that we just use like our own private sort of correspondence yeah we exclusively use the text app for each other yeah it's quite nice yeah yeah it's just the only people on text that i've got now are you and people that i don't really consider to be friends so it's it's nice, isn't it?

You're still smarting from the breathing thing, I can see this. I'm not smarting. It's just that it's the combination of me being upstairs followed up by the sad little dog thing. I found it really tricky to sort of process. Look, in a way,

I think you just really got to fucking just, I think after this right meditate for a half an hour right and then just get your head around it and then just take away from it what you will but yeah as merriman always says to me you know i'm not here to fucking how many times you've seen merriman twice because he's gone he's got he's gone from being somebody that gave you a bit of a massage to like your fucking guru. No. We're just seconds away from you going, I'll tell you what, if we had any guest on here,

any guest on here ever, it'd be Merriman. I'll tell you that now. We need to talk about this because we've come to an avenue, an interesting place in our lives, Romesh. Very, very exciting avenue. So our train friend that we talked about who's an amazing human being love the guy to pieces um really actually thriving and just doing amazing things out there at the moment he's said do we want to tell us decided you've decided you want

to try and hit your hitch your wagon to his coattails and try and try and use this podcast to boost this podcast but you see the social media star somebody's up and coming people really like him you started posting like a thirsty little fuck on instagram it's oh this guy's absolute honestly trust me this is what social media is about guys you know sometimes the world can get negative sometimes troubles and strife could get you down and then you see somebody like this young man right here and you realize you know what happiness is purity is love everyone everyone posted it would do well to learn from his example honestly you're a sweet sweet soul and you know what sometimes i think people talk about martin

luther king people talk about gandhi people talk about Martin Luther King, people talk about Gandhi, people talk about Nelson Mandela. When I think about these people, I think about you, young man. You're absolutely incredible. P.S. Can we go trade spot with you, please? He asked.

He said a lovely... No, but he asked in the way that, do you know when you're... Listen, by the way, I love the geezer, right? Yeah, yeah. Show him some put some respect on that

okay sorry let me put some respect on that name right his videos and everything are great I think he's a lovely fantastic young man I actually got

a cry for him I can't even imagine what that would look like to see that just make him feel really uncomfortable just him sort of going oh

oh I thought oh it's nice to meet you Tom you know because he asked in the same way that you know when you bump into somebody that you haven't seen for a while and you know when you go anyway

it's nice to see you we should meet up sometime right you don't want that person to you don't want to meet up with that person. Romesh this this is the difference, right? He said in such a sweet way. He was like, I'd love it if you... He didn't say I'd love it. Right, I'm going to read...

Well, I'm not going to read it, but I'm going to give you the skinny on what he said because obviously me and him have been messaging. It's very confidential. How old is he? I think, I don't know. I'm guessing mid-20s okay all right so he number one he we had to give him 100 pounds to buy the pizza he said it's very sweet

uh but he's they're all laughing at about 100 pounds but maybe we'd go take him out for pizza um would you and romesh like to go train spotting with me i'd love love it if you'd like to do this um what did he message you? Yeah, he DM'd me and I said, yeah mate, thanks for getting in touch. Me and Ron would love to come along. Let's make this happen, my friend. And he said, brilliant. I know there's a location across

the UK. There's always unexpected things that happen when you go. He knows a lot of places in the southwest which I know that you like. But he can travel. Yeah, so he's just said, his last words are you know how would you recommend we organize it because i don't know where to start and he did a laughing emoji so mate what do you know what he is we reached out he reached out to me we reached out to him a friendship blossomed between

the three of us yeah it's not the three of of us is it yeah no but you're obviously a massive part of coming along for the day I said that you would um I know you said that I would and despite the fact I would I think that's ethically

unsound what you did agreeing that I would go along I am actually up for going along and doing a bit of trainspotting we could record it live

I think we should all I reckon all three of us should get those get the cameras on our heads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we'll get that up there. I mean, should we be honest, it's another one of these famous

things that the Wolf and I say they're going to do. When have you got tour shows down that way, South West? I'm actually in Bristol. When? Quite soon. How soon? Because I've got... I've got three weeks. So rather than doing this separately after we're doing this

actually on the podcast it's exciting for the viewers they're on the ride now yeah what's the date 14th of November yeah I'm around

oh my god I actually feel sick I think we could have said that by default yeah they don't give you any date I'm actually doing

here you go I wonder what you think about this I'm doing two shows in a day what Bristol I'm doing a matinee performance first time you go I wonder what you think about this I'm doing two shows in a day what Bristol I'm doing a matinee

performance first time I've ever done it what would be incredible right yeah you do your gigs me and Francois if it's Francois

yeah Francis Francois we come along and watch probably the afternoon one yeah I'd rather go to the matinee one

I don't think Francois is going to want to come to the comedy are you joking he seems like why do you keep think Francois is going to want to come to the comedy. Are you joking? Why do you keep saying Francois? Francis? It's because it's bourgeois. Francis is not going to want to.

Mate, I can see him literally sitting there pissing himself at your gig while we're just eating pizza in the back. Don't eat during the gig. Right. But yeah, so that's the date. 45th November. I'm going to get in touch with him today. It's a very exciting news. Okay. You know who also might want to come along hey merriman so

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Godzilla Kong. The New Empire. Now playing only in theaters. I'm not happy with how I've been on this podcast so far why aren't you happy? I know I do this a lot but I just sort of you've been very funny my voice is annoying me you know what it is as well

what? I always notice when your hair's messy, you know it's funny. Why are you so horrible? Why are you being so horrible? You know I love you. So far, what have I done on this podcast today? I've sorted out your breathing technique, right? No.

No, what you've done is you've done a role play where I'm a pathetic little turd who runs up to his bedroom right then you've done a thing where I'm like a little pug

that's too scared to leave his fucking back door then I've sorted you out going for a train spot with one of your idols you know okay

alright let's you know how much I love you I'm just saying it to you now you've been very funny right should we do some emails email one thank you once again to the swan for doing the email selection

big shout out to the swan this is from the quokka the quokka I'm going to look it up I think it's like a little rodent wow the quokka Yeah, it's like, isn't it a little, I'm going to look it up. I think it's like a little rodent. Wow. The quokka, also known as a short-tailed scrub wallaby.

Wow. It's a small macropod about the size of a domestic cat. They're absolutely adorable. Are you able to Google one right now? How do you spell that? Do it, because I don't think you're going to be disappointed. Q-U-O-K-K-A. Oh, wowsers.

Yeah, they are cute. God, that one's so cute. You know what? That could be your next tattoo. Yeah, maybe. This is my favourite one. It's a bit like a corgi's had sex with a cat. That's my favourite Pornhub search.

Okay. G'day. This is Quokka coming at you from Rottnest Island in Western australia wow i always get excited when it's australians love the podcast got into after buying rom's book in a second-hand bookshop store in geraldton a few months back keep up the good work ps i never read books but i loved it uh i've now mailed it to my mate in london sorry that you've not getting any profit from that i've got two boys, Leo 7, Fergus 5. Since Leo started school, one of the school dads has been calling me Fergus,

thinking that's my name. I didn't correct him the first time because Fergus was with me and I thought he might have been saying hello to Fergus. It was all very confusing. Anyway, I've let it slide for a few years and all the other school dads think it's hilarious and don't correct him. It's got to the point where attending school events is a stressful situation

where I sneak around and try and avoid him. I've thought about correcting him, but there are other dads around who know about it and will probably think I'm mental for letting it go on so long. I'd really respect your advice, so any thoughts, greatly appreciated. Yours, The Quokka. Did he even say what his real name is?

Yeah, he does. Alistair. Oh, Alistair's a cool name. So is Fergus. They're both sort of quite Scottish names, actually. Yeah, they are, yeah. Maybe to save embarrassment, because it is, you know,

it's obviously gone on for some time. Maybe pull the said dad up and just say that, you know, man, get over to whoever you are. You know, I'll just remember that we called my son Fergus. And now there's two Fergus's in the house. It's starting to get quite confusing for my wife and everyone else that we

know, because, you know, everyone, two Fergus's it's, you know, we, we tried to do that.

Call me big Fergus and him little Fergus. And it just got more and more, you know, so I've actually been the bigger man as his father and changed my name to Alistair. So just, yeah, call me Alistair for now. And then everyone, the embarrassment is safe for everyone. Yeah, I know, except for the fact that this guy's going to,

like, he's going to think he's a complete moron, isn't he? Well, no, not if he says that. Because then he goes, oh, that's a really nice thing. Bloody hell. And then he goes, why a really nice thing but yeah that's it why did you and then go why did you choose allister all right just always like allister is a name it's just like it feels like you know as you know obviously with my name being fergus you know we're assuming i've probably got the kids don't the kids call you dad yeah the kids call me dad but obviously like you know when my wife would shout fergus me and my son both shout

yeah yeah and it's like so to avoid so i just want to get this straight so to avoid the inconvenience of the occasions when your wife shouts out fergus you've changed your name yeah yeah now she'll be like alistair or fergus and i'm like no i understand yeah i understand the logistics of it it's just it feels like quite an extreme step and actually you should probably know that i've been slowly filtering this into the school gates like you know so i told dave and then i told carl and quite a lot of them so some people have known me for alistair a little bit longer than you have but i just wanted so if i met you if i met you at the pub now yeah if you and i met at the pub for a drink yeah what would i call you alistair or just call me mate or bro or brother or

cocker or whatever yeah but your son your son's your son's not there is he so why am i calling you for well yeah otherwise like you know my trouble is like you know i don't do things by halves like if i'm gonna go for it i'll go for it and like you know otherwise it's gonna get confusing because i'm almost even my life is fergus outside the house and then i'm allister inside the house it'll become quite confusing for me okay so i just want to clarify because it's absolutely fine by the way but i just want to clarify to avoid the instances when you're at home and your wife calls out fergus and both of you say yes, to avoid that tiny, tiny occurrence, you have changed your name in every single walk of life.

Also, obviously... At work. Yeah. With your friends. Yeah. Yeah, with my parents. Even my parents, they weren't happy about it. Okay.

Also... Okay. Your parents call you Alistair now as well, don't they? Yeah, yeah. Or they'll call me Sam. Yeah. Actually, to be fair, what I've realised is people don't seldom use names, actually. We have so many different ways of engaging.

Do you know what? That's what I was going to say in response to this email. I don't know why this is such a big... I don't know what... I'm not trying to dismiss what Alistair's saying, what the quokk is saying. But he very rarely used names, did he? No. Unless Romesh, what we've got on our hands

here is a prick who's been horrible to Fergus and knows that that's not his name or has been horrible to Alistair sorry

there you go you've behaved exactly as the prick that you're criticising yeah but it's quite confusing you know this is why he should just have his name as Alistair. Yeah, but you're absolutely right.

Or get a football shirt with Alistair on the back. Yeah, that's a good idea. And then he'll go, Fergus, why have you got that? And then he'll go, it's because my name's actually Alistair. And then he'll go, okay, that's a bit embarrassing. And then he'll go, why the fuck did I buy this football shirt? What I want to know, do you know that the problem I have,

this hasn't happened to me, there's people thinking, I'll tell you what has happened though, is that people at the school gates or people that I meet and stuff, I have seen them quite a few times and can't remember what their name is. And it's now too late to ask them what their name is.

That happens a lot, doesn't it? Yeah, you know what you should do go get another friend um i'll do it for you because i love you like and bring me to the school gates and then introduce me to people and then be like oh yeah oh this is tom and this is and then pretend something's distracted you like i don't know you've seen a squirrel on a tree or something and then that person will turn around and say hey I don't think I want to I don't

think I don't think I want to pretend to be distracted by a squirrel in a tree right I think that's a slightly slightly more embarrassing

than not knowing what their name is or like you see a crisp packet or you see a car that you like you turn around and go oh fucking

hell is that I don't know Mercedes yeah Quantro yeah right and then I'll be like oh hi I'm Tom. And they'll go, oh, I'm Debbie.

I chat to Romesh quite a lot at the school gates. I couldn't help noticing, are you looking at that made-up car there? Mercedes Quantro. Yeah. So Mercedes have done a brand that's named after a drink? Yeah, I have, yeah. That's what I was distracted by. But if we do that, and I come and stay with you and Lisa for a week, and we just do you know what yeah yeah yeah but it's a really nice idea except i

think people have started to cotton on to that oh shit really but yeah because it's such a well-known thing so so you know i think it's been done in sitcoms and stuff like that or they've talked about it and people have done that a lot so that i can't remember exactly when it happened but i've done that and the person sort of giving me a knowing look as if to say oh you don't know what my name is do you like it's yeah and that's really bad there is you know what there is memory tactics and stuff apparently you can use like oh really yeah like word association i'll tell you what i've done in the past. When I've had to do stuff for panel shows, where you've got to remember, like, I can't remember which show it was,

but you've got to remember a list of things. I do, like, one of these memory stories. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I've heard of these. Where you imagine a story that involves different things you're trying to remember, and you sort of walk yourself through that story. And you make it kind of ridiculous

and you make it all really vivid in your head. It's amazing. That's actually pretty cool. That's one of the coolest things you've ever said, genuinely. That's genuinely blown me away with coolness. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. You can't take a compliment.

I actually do that. I'm going to start doing that in my life. You can't take a compliment. I'm going to start doing that in my life. So this next email... Oh, shit, I didn't give any advice for that. Alistair, what I think you should do, in all seriousness, is I think you should just tell him. I think you should just...

Well, you've got two really good bits of advice there. Well, actually, I don't know. If it's really bothering you, you should tell him. But my instinct would be just to leave it. Yeah. I just sort of think it is a bit embarrassing and it doesn't really matter. Who cares what some guy, you know,

what one of the parents thinks your name is? Do you know what I mean? I think you can live with that. So, yeah, it's one of those two things. Either tell him or don't. I mean, it's not great advice, but... Either way, good luck and enjoy Australia, my friend. Yeah, good luck, good luck.

Enjoy Western Oz. And also, if you... Romesh has two books. If you've read one of the other ones, it's brilliant as well, so... Well, what a lovely compliment coming from somebody who's read neither. Thank you so much.

You've sent me both. Yeah, I've sent you both. No, I'm just saying, if you enjoy one of them, he'll probably enjoy the other one as well. Probably. Yeah. Okay.

The old classic Tom Davis tune change there. Lovely. Very smoothly done. Okay. This is from Philip the Spider Monkey. Wow. Dear Rom, Tom and Swan, thank you for cracking me up each week.

Makes the walk to work something to look forward to. I am in need of some suggestions regarding my sweet, sweet mother, Rose. She retires this month after working hard her whole life, whether it's been working in warehouses, warehouses, warehouses, sewing ballet shoes, delivering sandwiches, or a current role of helping people book their holidays

for a popular British holiday park? Do we suspect centre parks? Or butlins? Or butlins, yeah. Which is another one, isn't it?

Haven. Haven, that's it, yeah. I reckon Rose works for Haven. I like Haven. Is it normal to celebrate retirement and if so, how?

Should it be a big party or something more personal just for her? Rose isn't the kind to like a fuss. She's the kind of person who prefer a toby carvery over the ritz the bucket of chicken over a bouquet of flowers a bingo hall over the royal albert hall which is why i love her so much god this sounds like fucking one of your endings to the podcast do you have any ideas of how i could show my appreciation for sweet rose in all that she's done for me and my father over the years she's one of the kindest people you could meet.

And I feel she deserves something special. Any advice greatly appreciated. You know what I'm going to push forward here. Spider monkey is a week of Rose. Um, well, you just do all of Rosie's favorite things. Uh,

and you just celebrate the woman that is Rose. Um, you know, go out and take her to KFC, buy her a bucket of chicken and just go and sit and watch swans just sort of swoop upon a cold, misty river. You know, the three of you just sit in there

just devouring a bucket each. Go to Toby Carvery on a Sunday. I think, you know, take her to bingo. A horrible thing for the swans, by the way. Sort of you sitting on the boat eating bird bodies in front of them maybe yeah don't do that actually because that is probably rubbish is right yeah eat the chicken and then go and see the swans you know and and just celebrate this this wonderful woman who's

given you so much and taken so little you know she's uh she sounds like an absolute queen uh you know maybe even just you know do something with a couple of her friends you know i don't know if rose is a drinker or you know maybe she's you know she doesn't sort of dabble with the the devil's poison but yeah mate you just sort of like you know just like look at the things that she likes doing yeah maybe like every now and again the journey weight, you surprise her with the ballet shoe that she'd sewn. Yeah. Or a trip to Haven. Like, yeah, you book so many amazing trips to Haven,

to the parks, butlings, wherever. You know, thus, this is us now. We're going there, Rose. We're going there now. Yeah. And you drive her there and the three of you. We're going to the place that you've been able to get a massive discount on

for ages the whole time maybe talk to one of our colleagues that you get a nice sweet discount but what I'm saying is just celebrate you know maybe take her to the hairdressers

get like a really sweet sweet haircut that she's always wanted you know get her ears pierced you know yeah I actually agree

with what Tom said I think you should in answer to your question uh philip celebrating retirement is great it's first of all can we just say let's just celebrating rose is the key yeah yeah but can i just say i love the relationship you got with your mom yeah i i think, reading this email, I know this is the sort of thing that Tom normally says, but you just sound like such a grateful, lovely bloke, man. And a wonderful son. Yeah.

Wanting to do something nice for your mum. Honestly, man, I really like it. I just think you come across so nice. I'm sort of, yeah, it's just lovely. So I think what Tom's saying is right. Celebrate Rose. It's a big, big change in her life now. You know, bearing in mind you've said she's done a lot of different jobs

and she's been working hard her whole life. She's going to be looking forward to retirement, but also it's going to be a little bit bittersweet because, you know, work being a big part of her life is suddenly going out of it. So it would be nice to do something really massive to help her with that kind of processing that transition into, into retirement. Just do all of her favorite things for her.

And when you do that, it will be something that you'll look back on for the rest of your lives. Fondly. You're giving yourselves a gift as well as Rose. So good luck with that. You sound like such a nice bloke. Just get in touch and say how the week's been this year. I genuinely am looking forward to hearing

what you've got to say. How do you want it Tom? In a series of pictures? You know what? Generally. Maybe a comic book. Yeah. I'd like to see the three of them just do something nice together I think that would you know

little moments like that I think it's you know we have Instagram and Instagram and you know obviously with Danny you have all these

social medias but actually seeing three people who clearly love each other and are incredible human beings having a wonderful time I think that's

that reinstalls a little bit of something to your soul yeah uh good luck good luck philip yeah we like you all the philip rose and also we don't know your dad's name let's just yeah so yeah to your dad as well all of you yeah take it to the max yeah okay should we do one more let's do one more of us. Hi, Rom, Tom and Swan. Absolutely love the podcast. Please keep me anonymous.

I'd love to know your thoughts on how to tell if men are interested. I got out of a long-term relationship this year, and I'm now ready to move on, but I've been out of the dating scene for such a long time, I forgot how hard it is. I recently started chatting to a man I met through work who I'm very interested in. We've met up a couple of times,

but I just can't tell if he thinks of us as friends or potentially more. We laugh a lot when we're together and he says he enjoys seeing me but we'll then go a week without getting in touch. We have plans to meet up again but I feel he's sending very mixed signals like not responding to my messages. I'm not sure if this is because he's not interested or because it's early days at the moment. I'd love to have a man's opinion on this so I'm very prone to overthinking. Thank you for taking the time to read my email, and keep doing you, brothers, from woman in her 20s. Well, let me tell you, number one, woman in her 20s.

Overthinking is a curse that I am blighted with myself. Yeah, I overthink every little thing. It can become quite, yeah, yeah, quite, it can be very taxing on your brain. Overthinking a lot, yeah yeah and not just uh you know romantic and go like uh relationships but sort of friendships family sort of thing you know it can be quite a um yeah quite a difficult thing so i i think one of the most underrated things is to try and get sort of perspective but also a little bit of honesty and and being sort of saying to also a little bit of honesty and and being sort of saying to this guy you know how you know maybe how you feel um and you know which is which

is hard because you're going to put yourself out there but i think actually sort of just being like honest in yourself and saying that this is what this is how where i'm coming at this thing from i really like you i enjoy spending time with you i'd like to sort of see if this could go anywhere. You know, and yeah, it's a high risk move because if he agrees, then he's going to be, you know, this is amazing. You're going to have a relationship, hopefully one that's going to flourish

and you have an amazing life together. If it doesn't and he's like, well, I don't really feel that way. You know, you're going to go through a little bit of a tough time, but in the short term. And in the long term, the sort of hardships of not knowing and always guessing isn't going to be there.

And I think that's a very important thing in society. I think we should all try and be a little bit more honest and earnest of how we feel and telling people that. And, yeah, so that's what I go with. And, you know, good luck. You know, he'll be a lucky man to hit up and hitch his wagon to your star my friend so keep doing you keep being amazing uh tom very very nice advice uh to our uh anonymous woman in her 20s first of all i totally get why it's difficult you've been in a long-term relationship you switch off all of those kind of you're just out of that it's like a language you know all that sort of how you doing that sort of

dance of you you want to show somebody you like somebody but you don't want to come across too keen because that'll put them off and all of that shit it's just so fucking irritating but i think what tom's saying is right i think it's difficult because you're in your 20s you know your attitudes are different in your 20s like Tom and I are in our 40s I think if god forbid that the swan ever suddenly came to her senses and left me never gonna happen she's a dream if I was loves you like we both do it sounds like what you're saying outside my bedroom door when uh merriman's outside merriman comes around yeah um but like i i think that now that i'm in my 40s i think to myself what tom's saying which is i would just be open with somebody

and go is this you know do you see this going somewhere or is this a proper thing because you got this um in your 40s you have a bit of a a bit more of a your mentality is more geared towards just not wasting time and just you know just being open and getting on with things whereas in your 20s you sort of i don't know i remember being in my 20s there's a lot of that there was a lot of that kind of not letting on someone that you like them you don't want to come across too strong and blah blah blah but i think look based on what you said there's one there's a number of things could be happening here this guy could be meeting you and be having a bit of fun with you but doesn't want to see anything more than that and the reason that he's not replying to your text is that you're low down

on his list of priorities of people to get back to or it could be that he really likes you because i've done this in the past he really likes you and then when you text he's deliberately holding off because he wants to feel like he wants to look cool he wants to put that perception across you know i've done that in the past so i guess it's sort of a long-winded way of agreeing with tom i think you just sort of openly sort of ask the question you know and just see and see what he says and you know he might be one of these men that doesn't like women making the first move, in which case, fuck him. Do you know what I mean?

I think, you know, if he's... Striping muscles of a dickhead. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And so it's not really worth your time. So I don't think anything bad really can come... Like Tom said, nothing bad can really come from you just approaching the subject openly. Because like Tom said, if he's not interested,

and he's not interested, at least you know. And if he doesn't like the fact you've made the first move, then I don't think he's all right. I don't think this is the sort of guy you should be getting involved with. But the best possible outcome is he's just like, he finds the fact that you've just cut through the shit very refreshing, and you start on the next stage

of your relationship that much sooner because you've had the courage to come out and say it. And if he finds your openness and how forward you are, if he finds that overwhelming, as Romesh says, fuck him. He ain't worthy of you, girl. Absolutely. So, listen, good luck.

I know it's hard coming out of a long-term relationship, but you will find somebody that makes your last relationship pay off. And I mean this, and I wish I could send you a T-shirt that said it. You got this. You got this. If Tom did send you that T-shirt, I would sort of recommend not wearing it. Particularly if you want a relationship to progress at any time in the near future. Hope that helps.

Oh man, I just clicked. Take care of yourself. Okay, Tomo. It's about that time, my G. First of all, before you get into your last thing thing I'm so excited about seeing you tomorrow

man I can't wait you know what it's a celebration you know Rose and her family are going to have a celebration of Rose tomorrow

we'll have a celebration of the wolf now it's going to lit you I reckon I will soak you in I don't think I'll even say anything for the first minute and a half I'll just soak you in

like like I'll put my feet into the great you know water upon the earth's crust. Yeah, really enjoyed it. You peed it out of that, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. I'm hoping that's the telling for the summing up of the show.

Okay, Tom, the big wolf, over to you. Carl Brewster was the best pebble and stone collector on Brighton Beach. Every day he'd get up and he'd have his breakfast, usually full English, but as he got older he'd change to porridge with vegetables and fruit, or just fruit, not vegetables, that was my brain thinking too quickly. And he'd put on his rain mac or in the summer a vest and pick up his favorite bucket which he called martin and he'd walk down to the beach and he'd scour it for stones and pebbles with

interesting shapes and nooks in and you know and every day he'd find amazing pebbles and stones and as he walked through bright and people oh, yeah, did you find anything interesting today? And he'd show these amazing shapes and stuff. One day, however, when he was looking through the pebbles and stones, he found a stone that was really not that good to look at. It had nubbins all over it, and it was a bit crusty, and it sort of had seaweed and bird shit on it. But there was something sort of different about it.

It stood out from all the other pebbles and stones upon the beach. But he looked at it, Carl, and he said, no, that's not for me. And he picked up a heart-shaped pebble next to it and then a couple of other pebbles and stones, and he went back to his house. He lived alone um which was quite sad um he and he made his tea he made that night he made uh chicken a chicken casserole and he sat and ate it but he couldn't get the grotty horrible dirty old stone out of his head

um and he lay awake all that night just thinking about the stone and before dawn broke he rushed downstairs and picked up his cagoule and his torch and he sprinted to the beach and scoured to where he he was that day where he'd seen the stone and where it was it was gone the sea had taken it and he sighed and he thought, well, the sea needed it. It took it because it was special. And I shall always remember this stone. But I never took it because I couldn't see its beauty until it was too late. And that is the story of the stone.

That's lovely. So a guy finds a nice stone a bit dirty leaves it there and then he comes back and it's washed away yeah lovely

I mean there's another bit to the story if you want to hear it okay yeah sure years later he's walking down the beach and he sees a little boy

with his family and the little boy has a stone in his hand right and it's a stone that he saw years before. But where it's been washed into the sea, the sea has cleaned it. And also because of salt water, it's sort of like finally tuned.

All the stuff on it. Yeah, and also finally tuned its edges. And now the stone's beautiful. And the little boy holds it aloft and the sun catches it perfectly. And people from the fish and chip shop shout, oh my God, look at that stone. And he smiles and he thinks, I god look at that stone and he smiles he thinks i could have that stone with all my other stones yeah wow and actually in the end

his house falls down because it's got too many stones in it oh oh that's a it's a bit of a shaman isn't it that yeah but another flip of the story is you actually don't need a thousand million stones you only need one that makes your life complete. So there's loads of different things for people to take away from this week. Yeah, that's good. There's a lot of different interpretations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

Well, look, thank you so much for listening, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode of The Wolf and I. We're going to try and do a bonus episode. It's slightly tough because Tom's on this sitcom that he's doing. I'm on Ranganation so we're finding it slightly difficult to find time it's just collabing times

I'm working nights Romesh is working days but um so we apologize for that but yeah but we are together so even if we do like a 15 minute record together or you know yeah sort of like

actually together Romesh if you bring your laptop thank you so much for listening to the Wolf and Al podcast we hope you had a nice time uh we certainly have uh i hope you have as much fun listening to it as we do recording it and also maybe everyone send a message to romesh or email saying i'm giving you no i don't need cheering up thank you uh take care of yourselves and yeah and each other yeah that's

jerry springer isn't it yeah and remember everyone just think about being you know think about their own rows in their lives we need to think about a more definitive end to this we always do this is like a thousand endings like fucking lord of the rings thanks guys cheers for listening take care bye Lord of the Rings. Thanks, guys. Cheers for listening. Take care. Bye-bye. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback, or anything at all,

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