Wolf and Owl - Episode 55

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

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Man, it's like, yeah, what an amazing. Look, number one, it's like, I was very conscious about talking about this before she came along, just because we've had a real long journey to get here to the point where she's with us. And it's been like a sort of, well, we're going to start off quite deep, Ron, but almost two years ago to the day when she was born, we were told that we couldn't have children.

And yeah, that was, Katherine got quite seriously ill. years ago to the day when she was born we were told that we couldn't have children and yeah that was Catherine got quite seriously ill so we were sort of like in a position where you know we'd sort of all made almost made a sort of yeah that was going to be life and then one of the nurses that we met at the hospital at that time reached out about sort of going through surrogacy so we sort of undone hard and obviously then covid came in i mean i think that's like something as well to talk about like we found out that we can have children i think like a month before because i remember talking to you about it right and like covid came in literally so you're like dealing with that and then covid comes in and you're like oh shit man like you're, you know, but that actually built out the strength of our relationship.

But so we started Christmas Day last year, last Christmas Day, we started the surrogacy journey with IVF. And, but you know, it's been like that thing where we've been trying for kids for so many years. And I'm also very conscious as well about not, like we've been trying and she's here and she's beautiful and it's incredible and it's an amazing thing.

I think because we've had seven years of trying and not succeeding, I'm really conscious of not hitting people over the head because there's one thing I really know is how hard it is for so many people to get to this point. And yeah, bear with me on this podcast and we're just talking off air about this because I genuinely feel any second I could just burst into tears.

And listen, guys, I'm going to try and get him there if I can. Anything for ratings with you. Just want to clip it up, get that video out there. Keeson just showed me pictures of him and Theo as a baby. It's just so magical.

It's so magical, isn't it? Mate, it's like, no joke to say, right, that everything is setting me off. On the basis, like, I was just saying to you then that I was watching Homes Under the Hammer, right? And there's a guy who converted a house in Lancashire and he was a very sweet bloke and a very good-minded soul. But he did a lot of work

for charity he got this house completed and sold it and he wasn't even that i was more emotional than he was i was generally like not i'm not saying like a few tears i'll go on mate well done sobbing yeah i don't know if it's sleep deprivation or i'm now like that's just me from now on okay listen i don't want to um i don't want to panic you i'm not trying to panic you're saying gonna panic you but i i was saying this to you before we came i don't we had a long chat before we came onto here so um just assume that some of this stuff we've talked about before but anyway the point the point i was trying to make is when you have a kid it sort of opens up this like this new door of like getting really emotional about shit i don't think i've lost it still i really don't think i've lost it like so when

when we first had um our eldest theo just everything i i remember sobbing, like properly sobbing, to Mel Gibson in What Women Want. And it wasn't even, I wasn't crying about the fact that I'd wasted my time watching this film. It was genuinely, I was caught up in the emotion of it. It was like, and just everything sets you off, man. Like Pixar films. Oh, mate.

It's over. I've been watching The American Office, right? Just doing the night feeds. And the adverts for the, you know, like the sort of charity donation adverts. Navigating through those, like, I start watching them and I'm like, I've got her in one arm and I'm just signing up for any charity.

You've built six African wells since your baby was born. Haven't you? I've brought donkeys for villages. I've actually had a statue of myself built in one town somewhere. Do you know what? I don't know if you do this, right? I actually kind of quite, I wallow in it. I actually enjoy that feeling.

I enjoy that feeling. I swim in it, yeah. So there was a TikTok video, and I feel really bad because I can't remember the guy's name but it's it's a weightlifter who olympic weightlifter and he lost his wife uh in a tragic accident and he one of the promises that we'd made to her that he was going to win gold at the olympics right and the and the olympics after she passed away he won gold right and it was the video it oh god man i've actually i'm going to start crying talking about it sorry the video he he's struggling to lift the weight they do and then it cuts to an

animation and this animation of his wife appearing next to him like winking at him and then helping him push the thing up i lost it man and i lost it and i was like the music everything about it i started crying and then what would happen is i'd start craving that that feeling like i watched it over i watched it over and over again i felt so for him. I felt obviously not happy enough to remember his name, but I felt so happy for him. I just felt so emotionally connected to that story. I just thought, this is so beautiful. I just kept watching that video.

I'm going to shout you out at this point because you just saying that, I texted you a couple of days ago and I was like, mate, I just need to ask you something as a friend. I feel so emotional. you just saying that like i've taken i text you a couple of days ago and i was like mate i just need to ask you saying friends as a friend like i feel so emotional i don't know if i feel like i just feel like so emotional about everything like and you know you were like being romesh you were like no i don't know what you're talking about which freaked me out for about

30 seconds until you text me that's just normal but it's like i have to say massive thank you for being like checking in like at three in the morning because you've got your pup and seeing if i'm all right and stuff but it is like yeah that emotion feeling right and what you're saying like there's a video right and like i used to watch this video as a bit of a joke right right? And like, do you remember Diamond Dallas Page? Yeah. Like the wrestler. Yeah.

He set up a yoga school in America, right? Yeah. And he's like very like, and we've basically been like, we're trying to do like, like a thing about his life. And we're trying to do like,

basically like a sort of show about him as a person. We trying to get the rights anyway i'll be honest i didn't expect this to turn into a plug but anyway i started i've started like during the night when they're doing the night because i quite like the night feeds i actually quite like being up with urges the two of us it doesn't you know because you're lactating now aren't you that's the other thing we should tell people i've had i've had milk glands put into my moves yeah it's gone up like eight cuts oh mate i i remember like i think this is a common thing but i did say this i talked about this ages ago and and happened when theo when i was sat you're supposed to do skin to skin with your kids right yeah yeah yeah when theo tried to

latch onto my breast that's when i realized that maybe even my own infant son was going to reinforce my body issues. But anyway, go on. Sorry, sorry. You're doing night feeds. Sorry, bro. So anyway, so I've watched this video and I've watched it loads of times. But it's about him, basically. And it's like, is it like a grift or whatever?

It's about him and this war vet that was like couldn't walk and basically his yoga has made him now like this amazing like athlete just for like you know i watched it again the other night you know just while i was doing some research and i genuinely was like just in bits like like it's like someone has literally caught like like someone has got inside your body right and taking like it like a janitor in your heart right so say in your heart right your heart's made up of many different rooms as you know you've got a fucking big part of mine right but it's like well like because i'm tired i'm trying to fight to it it's like kids in a fucking 90s fucking movie yeah who are going through a fucking big house and then they find a floor they didn't know was there for a door right

they go through and go oh there's some stairs here and like your heart just opens up to another level right and go oh fucking that's almost like a whole nother house yeah and the actual feeling of like emotion and love and everything else you feel is like oh look at this look at look at this cupboard over here if you open this cupboard it says you're going to cry at oprah oh yeah but also it's like at the same time in a parallel thing in your brain something else is opening up the door to fucking more fear and anxiety i'm an anxious fearful person but the fear and anxiety like genuinely so i i was like i said to katherine like katherine was like look i need sleep and i'm like at the moment i'm like i'm fine i'm just gonna i'll battle on until she's

16 and then she'll be going to nightclubs and i still won't be so whatever but i'm like i need to just i can't i need to sit here with her and just make sure she's all right that's good like i'm fine with that that's cool we're bottle feeding because of the you know she's a surrogate baby so we're bottle feeding it and you know and i want to be hands-on like in my head i know that for the for what our jobs are and what we do you're away from home and whatever i'm blessed that she's come at this time it's christmas and like we've got just the two of us here at the moment and i'm like i want to build that bond as strongly as i can so anything i can be doing it's time with her like that's what i want to be doing so you know but the fear like of everything like genuinely i was she was like sleeping on me yesterday and then i was like oh my god i'm hot she must be hot oh and this is it

now like she's overheating yeah like literally terrified your heart starts racing so what i'm saying you get more hot also yesterday i'd like been up and I had awful BO and every time I put it in my every time I put it in my armpit she started crying then I started

freaking out that would that be one of her earliest memories of me that I had bit she'll start to she'll start to get a positive association

with that you'll give it you'll give it a really nice you'll give it you'll give giving a really nice you're giving you're giving a really nice experience like the next time

when she's grown up and she's on the tube and it absolutely fucking stinks of shit she'll go do you know what this reminds me of my father when she brings home

fucking some stinky fucking fella fucking real strong why do you keep bringing home smelly bastards what can I say I've got daddy issues

yeah yeah and my father bless his soul. When I was a baby, yeah, he used to snap at night and he used to always stink of beer and have really bad coffee breath. I'm fucking falling in love with the office slob. She's getting in love with a PE teacher. she's getting in luck with a PE teacher

the other thing is like I started right this is a this is a mad one as well for you you know we were talking about The Greatest Showman yeah in the last podcast

so I watched that and then I had this fucked up dream that she was that she was born because I have a beard she was born with a beard

right I had this fucking that she was born, because I have a beard, she was born with a beard. Right. I had this fucking really intense dream, right, that she was born with a beard. And then I'd have to sort of like fucking find some more strength inside me that I don't know if it's there. That's what I'm like. Like, number one, it would be not one I seem to have in common with her,

do you know what I mean? Because she's beautiful like her mother is and whatever. But she, like... Then what you've got to do, you've got to start looking up, are circuses still a thing? We could go out as a double act. Is it a viable career?

You know, like the father and son on Britain's Got Talent, the Greek ones with the dance. Like the fucking great old beardos. So when she was born, I had my first look at her. The biggest thing I looked at was, literally a bit of me just relaxed. I mean, I know obviously that she wouldn't be born with a beard.

If she's going to get a beard, that'll come from when she's 17 or 18. Those irrational fears are just totally normal 18 but it's those irrational fears just are totally normal and it's so mad because he's like because whenever i think whenever i obviously you and i are so similar but when i hear you talk about that and i think about my fear i actually think to myself you know our poor wives man having to sort of deal with that just sort of you know can you imagine if you'd have vocalized that sort of you got your baby and you got your baby daughter in your house for the first time it's gonna just so relieved why tom why just because she hasn't got a full beard it's going what the fuck am i doing what the fuck am i doing bringing up a child with this idiot that's what i'm like but that's

what i'm like man like i um every single thing Every single thing. You know one thing that set me off this week? Like, genuinely, put tears in my eyes. When I was texting you, and you said you were about to send your cinema trip with Theo. Yeah. And he didn't want to go with you. Oh, God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no, but I read that text.

And I was like, oh, my God, man. It was such a sweet text. But also, behind it all, you're like, you were clearly joking, but also there's an element of like, that's got to be like mad, right? Well, I, so just to, so what happened was I messaged you saying, I'm going to take, I'm taking the two youngest to watch Spider-Man today.

I'm not taking Theo because he thinks he's too, he wants to watch it with his mates and he's too cool to watch it with his dad. But, and that obviously, saying that to a new parent, you and he's too cool to watch it with his dad. But, and that, obviously, saying that to a new parent, you just turn to your, turn to Kat and go, it's all so fine, right?

Should we all go to college tomorrow? Or whatever. But to give you a bit of like, to give you a bit of, a bit of positivity off the back of that, the reason that Theo didn't want to watch it with me is because he'd already gone, booked to go and see it with his mate.

But he did say to me, Dad, if you can't find anyone to go with, I'd happily watch it with me because he'd already booked to go and see it with his mate. But he did say to me, Dad, if you can't find anyone to go with, I'd happily watch it again with you. That's so sweet. It's both sweet and also a damning indictment of what he thinks of my social life. I'm not a fan of Theo looking after you. Just turning around to Lisa like that with a cup of coffee

going, Christ almighty. I'm going to have to watch Spider-Man again because that twat can't find any friends. Do you remember when he tried to breastfeed me? Talking about getting emotional, I got emotional because I had such a great day with the kids. We went to the cinema. I bought them.

I mean, I could get into a rant about what I think about pick and mix in a cinema, but it doesn't matter. We got them pick and mix, got popcorn, sat down. I'm explaining how cinema works. Can I just also just quickly throw in what you're saying? Yeah. Did you not notice, right, that the fucking cinema popcorn stinks of farts? It's basically you're paying like eight pounds

for a fucking someone to sit and fart into your mouth for a film. I'm going to say this. I don't like the way they treat popcorn at the cinema. You've never in your life said anything more bang on. When we were queuing up, right, I'm sort of almost at the queue. This girl comes over. She opens this kind of plastic sack and just sort of spills the contents of it

like it's trash into the thing. And I'm watching it thinking, I'm about to pay. That's probably about £1,000 worth of popcorn here based on your retail price. I'm about to pay. That's probably about £1,000 worth of popcorn here based on your retail price. I'm about to walk up there. And that thing that you basically fucking discarded into that glass tank, I'm about to pay £5.70 for a tiny bag of. What the fuck is going on?

I went to see House of Gucci, right? And when you ask for like a mix of popcorn, they seem to still, and mixed popcorn's been like going for a long long time right but they still sigh like because they've got to fucking go from from glass chambers glass chamber it wouldn't surprise it surprises me that they don't charge extra for that you know because of the extra labor cost of having to dip into the two sides that's how they're operating i mean, while we're talking about this,

I'm not talking about independent cinemas, I'm talking about chain cinemas now. I know independent cinemas do a great service and I think you should support them if at all you can. So actually, I'm a bit of a prick for taking my kids to a chain. You pay so much money

to be fucking advertised to. I find it absolutely outrageous. Mate, it's disgusting. I've paid to have shit sold to me here. This is fucking mad. The thing that fucks me off is, you throw it back to when we were kids, right? You went to the cinema

and you had adverts, trailers, right, for other films. And like, other films that like, now you can watch a trailer on YouTube. Like, me and you are both film, we love our films, so as soon as something we want to see comes out bang we're going to go and watch right but i still i can i can hand i like a film trailer trailers trailers trailers i like it's always not a condenser and going we're going to throw we're going to show them free film trailers and then we're going to fucking we're going to have a johnny depp over like can you imagine what it's like for me it's because you're basically looking at all the big film stars now

doing these fucking eggy Julia Roberts or whoever, all of them doing these fucking eggy trailers, right? And you're sitting there getting more and more infuriated, thinking, like, I can watch these fucking things at home. Yeah. And, mate, the other thing is, I'm like, I've spent 30 quid on snacks for these kids, right? Which I don't begrudge, right?

I've bought myself popcorn. I've got myself a large ice drink. I'm not going to lie. I spent most of my money on that. What do you have, the Tango Blast? They don't do Tango Blast at the Crawley Cineworld anymore. It's ice. Yeah, they've stopped.

Where did you go? Did you go to, where is it? Crawley Cineworld. Crawley Cineworld. It's a great cinema there, by the way. Do you know what? I know that I've slagged off chains, but it's a great cinema. As a chain, I think the Crawley Cinema is one of my favourites.

Really? Interesting. Mate, it's a beautifully laid out place. I do like it. I do like it. There's an ambience there. After I've got into a massive fucking... Anyway, so you've spent all that money, you sit down, and now I'm being told to buy a fucking Audi.

Look, what is... Honestly, mate, I can't deal with it. I feel bad in the Johnny Depp advert when they've got the wolves in it, because the connotation is that he runs with wolves, and I can tell you that. I find it really... I find now...

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I feel quite cool when I do that. What, when you're getting just before the... If you can chart time it, you're king of the cinema. Because, did I tell you about when Lisa and I first went out, first started going out together i took her to go see kanye west and um i was at the o2 and she said she said later on she didn't say at the time you trying to get somewhere or desperate to get somewhere on time or early because you're so you're so worried about getting there you know after it's all started or too close to the start time so it's one of the most unattractive things about you just because i was just

it's such a fucking you know what though i'm the same i'm so fucking like it's like she's like oh that's cool romesh so we've rushed so that we can get here one hour before the support act starts well thank god and so wolfing your fucking food down his easel come on come on come on come on come on come on come on we ain't got we ain't got time for coffee let's move come on i'm like that with so many things that katherine's like just fucking take a moment like like like even our life now i realized that there's a part of me like yesterday that was trying to plan out the day with like naps and like yeah we need to do this we need to do that and katherine went well just fucking like we haven't got anything to do let's just chill and

we'll enjoy the day and i'm like i need some structure it's not timetable just a workout but the thing I was saying is when I was at the cinema with the with the boys we watched we watched Spiderman which was very good and then

I took him to McDonald's I got him I did think to myself this is a fucking great day like I did think this is wicked do you know what I mean? Like I,

it was so fun hanging out with them. They were on top form. It was just great. Do you know what I mean? And I don't think you lose that. I don't think you lose that. And it doesn't listen. Did you have McDonald's in?

Did you eat in McDonald's? No, no, fuck that. What did you have? Did you have the plant burger yet? I didn't eat anything. I can't,

I can't find this plant burger, mate. I've heard rumors about it. I've heard rumours about it. I've had it. It's now like the fucking Loch Ness Monster. Yeah, but it's like they put it in fucking four stores. It's actually really good. Is it?

Pretty good, yeah. I've had it. They're using that Beyond Meat patty, aren't they? Yeah. I've got to say, the biggest letdown of it, weirdly, I think there should be a double patty in it. Oh, yeah. And also, it's like, look, I'm fucking,

I'm a McDonald's fucking, I oh yeah and also it's like look i'm fucking i i'm a mcdonald's fucking i'm the g at mcdonald's right i'm fucking i've been going a long time i'm a fucking connoisseur of every mcdonald's i reckon i've been to probably you're a connoisseur of every mcdonald's bearing in mind they're ident famously identical i mean that's that's the whole thing of mcdonald's isn't yeah that is the business model this right let me just say right now right yeah you have you've had your pants pulled down every time you've been to mcdonald's i have and i say that in the most respectful way right i've had my pants pulled down every time i've been to mcdonald's yeah you're like a private detective on his first mission every time you go in there well you're like james bond's assistant but who's

the guy? Q. You're basically the guy who will turn around and probably Q's assistant at the moment when it comes to McDonald's. T. So you'd be like, getting T's and stuff for James Bond. You'd probably run over and go, hi guys. You alright?

It's a first impression as a father. I'll be doing that voice for her you're all right everything okay well we've got a mission to uh to find some sort of all right yeah um do you know what i'm looking forward to coming around to your house uh in years to come and watching your daughter do the impression of me. I'm not even thinking you speak like that. Anyway, go on. Why am I getting my pants pulled down?

Because there's so many little griffs and so many little tricks. It's like knowing how a computer works, right? So there's different, you can add things, take things away okay go on i i build your own burger essentially right okay i got the idea i got the idea of what you're getting at about a minute and a half ago what i want is some fucking detail what are you talking about so look it within mcdonald's right you have the menu yeah and then

they've got a little under the counter things and little ways of you making it your own fucking specialized thing so this is the same thing you're saying again in a different way but you're nervous And then they've got little under-the-counter things and little ways of you making it your own fucking specialised thing. So this is the same thing you're saying again in a different way. But you're nervous when you get to the counter or the drive-through. Your hands are sweaty. You're sitting there thinking, fucking hell, if I get this wrong, what's going to happen? Take your time when you're at that drive-through, brother.

Because all the people behind you will thank you. Take your time. Switch the car up. Have a chat about what you might have. You sit there and you're like, be cool. And you're like, hello, mate. Okay. I'm going to need no gherkins in my Big Mac for my boy. Stick a little bit of bacon in there, extra cheese.

And make sure his chips have no salt on them. So you're like, the guy straight away goes, all right, now I'm dealing with a fucking big time McDonald's. Yeah, we've got an absolute ****. Yeah, I can imagine. No. This guy's paying McDonald's prices and expecting gourmet service.

The worst type of customer, by the way. That's me. When I go into McDonald's, I spend a into mcdonald's yeah you're a prick you're a prick because because no because mcdonald's part of the thing of mcdonald's is it's cheap it's so cheap so when it's when it's that cheap you have to you have to lower your expectations you're going in there like you're fucking going to one of tom kerridge's places mate you do a little lips mac and you look through that and you're like i get excited when i'm like if i add a little bit of cheese to a chicken sandwich that's beautiful man like and sometimes they'll look at you like

you're crazy but they'll respect you let me tell you something they're not looking at you like you're crazy they're looking at you like they hate you. Because the job is difficult enough as it is without someone turning up and asking for fucking individual specs on their burgers that they're trying to churn out. But the thing about it, right, is McDonald's at one point in our lives, Rob, right, were the only fucking people at the fucking poker table. They were winning every game, right?

Sure. It's just them and the D. My mum and dad, once a month, would take us to Streatham, because that was the nearest McDonald's from us, to tuck into a treaty, treaty McDonald's meal. Literally, some of my happiest memories as a child were at McDonald's, right?

Me too, me too. Right? So when we were kids, you had the dealer. Let's say the dealer at a poker table was the public, right? And the only person playing in that game against the dealer is McDonald's. You fast forward that a little bit. Burger King entered the mainstream, right?

Then all of a sudden, you're getting Honest Burger and these more cool little vibey places. Five guys come in, game changer. Five guys, you probably don't know this, you build your own burger. That's the point of five guys. Why are you saying I probably don't know this? Because you're a vegan. Sure. Five guys need to step up in that regard by the way yeah they do man because the game is the game is completely i just want to public five guys sort it out do you know the do you know the only vegan option at five guys apart from maybe the

chips i don't even know if they're vegan, and the drinks, is you get, they do a veggie burger, which is not even a proper veggie burger. It's like mixed vegetables or whatever. The bun is not vegan. So you have to, this is what, I looked it up.

No, not between two bits of lettuce. Yes. Dude. Let me just say. How can you sit there? Imagine me going into Five Guys with you. Yeah. You're sitting there eating whatever. You normally order what? Three burgers going into Five Guys with you. Yeah. Right?

You're sitting there eating whatever. You normally order, what, three burgers, don't you? Two, five. I love a trio of burgers. Right, yeah. So you're sitting there in your burger smorgasbord. You're looking across at me, sort of just trying to munch my way through two bits of lettuce as the bits of vegetables are falling at the bottom of it.

How can I have any dignity in that situation? No, but you know where you're a step up, though? You're a step up above the kind of fucking prick that you see in fucking Five Guys, queuing up and going, yeah, can I get a double burger with bacon, cheese, da-da-da, going forever, and then put it between two bits of lettuce.

What the fuck are you doing? People don't do that, do they? They do, man. They do. I've sat in company with people with my teeth. I can't even eat my Five Guys if I'm looking at someone doing that. Like like the grease from the burger and the fucking melted cheese all stuck to two bits of fucking soggy old lettuce it's genuinely like and then they oh yeah i'm staying off carbs yeah because carbs are the problem here

fucking you're having fucking two burgers with bacon and a fucking big load of chips when the coroner's looking over you he's not going to go one of those fucking burger buns killed him should have stayed away for the burger buns they offer lettuce you know it's a fucking madness

so anyway so when you go into McDonald's I just need to establish when you go to McDonald's sorry this started need to establish, when you go to McDonald's, sorry, this started about 40 minutes ago with you talking about the poker table. So five guys have turned up or whatever. So what happens next? So basically now the game has changed, right?

Right. Five guys are leading the way in the development of how we order beef burgers. There's no taking that away from them. Yes, they need to have other angles. So McDonald's all of a sudden are in a position, right, that they have to do the same, right? So can you can be more free and easy you can just like basically be more yoga about everything when you go to mcdonald's you can fucking

like before right you were like on a fucking river that's fucking running out of control and you're on a fucking life raft and you're fucking shitting yourself because you can't you've got no control right i don't know I don't know how you think I approach going to McDonald's. Right. But now, all of a sudden, you've got yourself an oar and a little engine on the back of it. And you're like, fucking hell, man.

I can row my own way. I can go row one. And that is what McDonald's can be if you open your mind to it. I just think there's an argument that what you're doing is immoral. Right. Let me tell you. Because people at McDonald's work really hard. I've seen it.

And I will shout it. Let me just shout them all out. Every one of them is a hero of mine. If I could buy all of them a Christmas present, I would. Sure. Well, let me tell you this. How about offering them the Christmas present of just buying standard items from the menu? I think they'd all appreciate

that. Instead of turning up there and asking for your own modification. If there is anyone from McDonald's who listens to this podcast, which I truly hope there is, because I would be, it would make my year. Well, actually, you just had a kid, haven't you? Yeah, I was just there.

This is the thing that will push you over the line what was the best thing of the year I was born dad well actually someone from McDonald's got in touch

with the podcast but you were definitely number two after obviously the success of the podcast so number three actually oh actually we were quite impressed

we should have found ourselves in a bit of an argument a bit of a conundrum and someone got in touch from McDonald's actually as well that's how we managed to feed you through your schooling.

So, look, if you do work at McDonald's, I would love to know if what Tom... Because to my mind, what you're talking about is an unsustainable... I consider that to be a selfish act because if everybody who went to... You're relying on other people who go to McDonald's to not do that.

Yeah, yeah, but no, no, no. Have you been to the touchscreens yet? Have you been to the touchscreens yet? Yes, I have been. who went to you're relying on other people who go to McDonald's to not do that because no because have you been to the touchscreens yet have you been to the touchscreens sorry are you are you

you're talking to me like I'm an illegal immigrant no I'm talking to you like a vegan like what I don't like

look there's certain things right if you told that I would sit here and if you were talking to me about other sort of subjects that I

would I think you're quite learned in right I would be like oh fucking hell were talking to me about other sort of subjects, I would, I think you're quite learned in. Right. Right. I would be like, Oh fucking hell. Well,

yeah, I'll listen to him. Right. But when it comes to McDonald's, I have to think like, how many times have you been there? How many times you done that? Cause I imagine even the boys are like,

Oh no, dad's at a touchscreen. I know that. It's actually, it's actually, it's actually quite close to what happened the other day. They're going to be like, oh, God, here he goes. Here's a question for you.

Okay, a genuine question. Yeah. So, nine nuggets. Yeah. You can't get that as a meal, right? You should be able to get nine nuggets as a meal, no? No, you can't. You can't.

Do you get up? I mean, look, this is how my McDonald's order is big. Okay. Talk me through it. I'll get a Big Mac. Yeah. But you don't have I mean, look, this is how... My McDonald's order is big. Okay. Talk me through it. I'll get a Big Mac. Yeah. But you don't have it regular, do you? You ask for...

I usually have a Big Mac. The gherkins to be cut in the shape of a rose. Extra gherkins, extra sauce, and I usually have a bit of extra cheese in it, and sometimes I skip the lettuce. It depends on the food. Do they charge you for this? No, I don't think so.

I will say... So you're paying regular Big Mac prices, but you're getting more food. When I'm going through that drive-thru, it's the one time I feel like I'm at McDonald's menu now. I scarcely look at the price, nay, receipt afterwards. I will be like, yeah. All right, Jay-Z.

Then I'll have a large meal, right? Usually a Coke Zero with that. I'll then have five chicken strips. Coke Zero, the drink equivalent of the lettuce bun. Yeah. I'll then have five Krispies. You don't want any sugar, do you? Anyway, go on.

Five Krispie strips, right? And then I will probably have... What the fuck are crispy strips the chicken the chicken strips oh right okay amazing fucking shout out my chicken selects is what you the mcdonald's word for him is um and then i usually have like a cheeseburger chaser and an apple pie or mcflurry and that's my that's my average order there yeah okay but like but that doesn't sound like you're getting a lot of that changed up. It's your big burger you get changed up.

Like, if I'm having a McChicken sandwich, I'll usually say, look, throw a little bit of bacon in there, my friend, a little bit of cheese, and crisp that bun up nice. Yeah. What I'm saying to you is I think that's unacceptable. So what would you – so, look, let me just tell you now, right? When you go and have this plant burger, don't come crying to me, phoning me up, going, no, it's not what I expected it to be, right?

I'm telling you now, brother, you will be fucking clucking for that extra patty. Definitely, baby. Okay? Yeah, but what's that got to do with what we're talking about? I'm not going to ask for an extra... Can I get a McPlant burger with an extra burger? No, well, you could buy two and just stick them together.

That's true, yeah. And then you get the juiciness of them. Stick that on TikTok. Ask for extra sauce, though, because they are a little dry, man. They need a little bit of something. Today. Something is coming.

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Okay. Oh, by the way, my dad said he loves the way you're doing your hair now. Are you winding me up? No, no, serious. Watching The Weakest Link, by the way, with my parents, is an absolute fucking, like, I watch it as a fan of the show and as a fan of you, and I've enjoyed it. My mum and dad watch it, and bear in mind,

we've got a baby daughter sleeping, shouting out the answers. My dad's got so into it. He's yelling them out, like he's there. You're like, all right, fucking chill out. He gets so into it. It's like he's watching football. You forget what an amazing show that is, by the way. Let me show you what an incredible job you've done.

But it's like genuinely you forget how fucking into it you get you feel like it's so quick as well right yeah it's one of the things i didn't realize or sort of only occurred to me when i started hosting it is firstly how quick you get into the quiz like you know they do their intros and they're quite chilled out at that point yeah and then you go we'll you go, we'll start with the person who da-da-da-da-da, let's play Weakest Link, and then you're in. And you start, and then it's just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, for the whole way through.

I mean, it is pretty high pressure for them. And it's fucking like, you forget how savage it is as well. I know, I know. To be voted off first. Yeah. But do you know what? It's a weird thing. So we've done all the shows.

We filmed all the shows. And they went really well. And, you know, everybody was really excited and happy about it when we did it. But when that first one went out on Saturday, as you know, I was sort of like, oh, God. Because it's such a high-profile thing, Weakest Link coming back. I just, the idea of what I was going to see on social media,

even though, listen, I think, and we've said this a lot, you've got to disassociate yourself from things you can't control. And what you can't control is public response to something you do. We've talked about this a lot. You do the best thing you can and just see what happens. Regardless of that, as you know, I was just like, oh God. I actually went out. I went out to the pub at five.

Did you? Yeah. Well, partly, listen, partly it's because of that. Partly it's because I wanted to watch Arsenal leads at the pub. Which was an outstanding performance. But I thought, mate, genuinely, as a friend, but I thought the show was brilliant. I think you're a great host of it.

It's a really, it just feels like a really good thing to have back. And it's so nice to have something that just feels, it's all about the quiz. It's like, it's what happens sometimes. And the host. Yeah sometimes and the host yeah and the host yeah yeah i mean yeah you said some funny things and actually i thought there was quite a nice i actually thought a bit of me and the kindness of me is rubbed off on you you weren't as mean as i thought you could sometimes be sure sure um but yeah i thought yeah it's uh you know

never in my wildest dreams did i think that after hosting uh the weakest link that you would uh manage to find a way to compliment yourself off the back of it so well done to you um okay let's see up some emails baby oh before we do get on to this i know we've been quite emotional on this on this episode i just want to take this opportunity to say, Tom. Go. Congratulations, bro. Thank you, bro. You're going to be such great parents. I love you both. Okay. Thank you for the gifts, by the way.

Well done. That's kind of the main reason I said it, because you haven't mentioned that I got you some. Well, also, I know that Lisa picked them, because they're perfectly... What is it? Why? No, no, no, no.

Who picked? Because I would say now, Catherine's in charge of gifts in our house. Yeah. Lisa is in charge of gifts, but I said to her, I'd like to feel this one. And that's why you got that toy.

Okay. I was trying to put a button on the end of it. I didn't really. I probably could have done it better than that. Okay. This is from the Tui. The Tui? T-U-I.

How do you pronounce that? Why are you asking me? Tui. It's Tui. The Tui? T-U-I. How do you pronounce that? I mean, why are you asking me? Tui. If Tui's the airline. Yeah, but I don't think he's, you know, bearing in mind the theme is naming yourself after an animal, I don't think. I always wondered if that is an animal.

Well, the next email's from Air New Zealand, so maybe you're right. Oh, actually, speaking of which, this email is actually from New Zealand, coincidentally. Okay, yeah. I just need to look up what this this cheery thing is okay hold on hold on one sec bro it's a it's a bird is it it's a little it's a little new zealand bird um and i think it's quite synonymous with new zealand i think it might be slightly embarrassing that we didn't know what it was um okay this is a note from wellington nz first of all wanted to say i love the show your stories with girls inspired me to write in and tell you

about two times i've been dumped badly the first one happened when i was 17 having dinner at home with my mom and my girlfriend called and asked if i could go over i left my dinner and ran to my left my dinner god um and ran to my car my mom told me not to be so stupid and finish my dinner but i thought if i didn't get there straight away, she'd be really upset. Anyway, when I got there, she dumped me. As I was driving away, I wanted to change from the radio to a CD

to help me get over the pain, probably torn by Natalie Imbruglia. I was playing on the radio, as it seemed to all the time in 1997, and my ex loved that song. As I was looking for a CD, I drove off the road and into a ditch so now i had no girlfriend in a car in a ditch and you're hungry because you abandoned

your dinner uh luckily someone managed to get me out that i don't he hasn't really gone into detail about how he was dumped there has he no he said it's a bad dumping but also i'm waiting for the story to get worse feels like that's sort of is that it yeah well there's a bad dumping. But also, I'm waiting for the story to get worse. Feels like... Is that it? Yeah. Well, there's two examples he's given. So this is the second one. Well, the first one, if I'm going to be honest with you,

I think the car accident feels worse than the dumping. Yeah. And also, not having your dinner. Oh, you can't. How do you even have the willpower to do that? If you are as big a loser as me and you, every time I ever get called if katherine calls me downstairs now there'd be a chance i think that she was trying genuinely when lisa says

lisa occasionally because i'll get busy work she'll go call me and i think okay this is it this is it okay i assume she's at the door with the kids start googling fucking one bedroom flats probably taking the puppy fair play to you thank you so much for sticking it out this long my love so the thought that you wouldn't be going into that kind of battle without a full tummy yeah i would be like let me finish my dinner before i get before i'm made single and take a pizza around there yeah um okay the second one happened while i was riding my bike i pulled up to stop at the light so my girlfriend said how it was great to see me and she'd been meaning to catch up with me well she was at the lights as well yeah i don't she then told me how it wasn't working etc etc and then the lights turned green and she rode off hold on on, you were both on bikes. Were you nine? I think that really tells you how much I meant to her,

the fact she couldn't finish with me before the lights turned green. In hindsight, they weren't the right girls for me. I should say I'm happily married coming up for 12 years. I wondered if you've ever been dumped in a strange way. Listen, Tui, I don't think those ways are that bad, really. I mean, you're both on a bike. That second one, you're both on a bike. She's been meaning to catch up with me,

suggesting to me that you're not seeing each other that much. It's very rare when you're in a relationship with someone that they go, oh, fancy bumping into you. It'd be good to catch up and see what you've been up to. That isn't what happens when you're in a relationship with someone, is it? I feel for the guy because the worst way of getting dumped, the worst way, I was quite seriously ghosted. And it actually had a real sort of everlasting impact on me as a person.

Even to the point where I was like, I've constantly sort of lived with it. Like a slowly ghosting as well, where it's like at first you're like oh, is this in my imagination that this person clearly doesn't want to talk to me or be anywhere near me anymore? To the point where you're like, because what happens when you're like, when you're getting ghosted and pushed away,

is you try to build that bridge more, right? And you're like, you become so fucking clingy and so pathetic like oh it's so it's so bad and then you know like things conspire where you're like so you're like they'll say oh look you know let's you know let's not just see each other for a week or so you know like you know like i need a bit of space and you're like okay cool and then you sort of like everyone he makes is like oh i saw so-and-so out in town yesterday. They were having a great time in the ice.

And then you bump into them somewhere and it is a bumping in. You don't have any intention. You haven't planned it. But you spend the whole time explaining yourself that you didn't mean to be there. You didn't mean to see that. And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

Just so you know, this is a complete, yeah, complete oh yeah but then oh man yeah you have this awful feeling of like the clinginess of it all like being ghosted is by far the worst fucking yeah thing i i i had a weird uh situation when i was i was going out of a girl at uni and um it started to go um it started to go badly i'm trying to i'm it started basically she started we stopped hanging out with each other it's kind of a bit like what timmy's talking about we started like she'd be going out of her mates i'd be going to my mates and yeah um and then every now and i remember we tried we went to split up a couple of

times and then got back together and blah blah anyway the reason i'm telling this story is is sometimes when you're in relationships you're you look at it but afterwards and you think how the fuck did i think that this was that this was an okay relationship it's so mad right because we weren't having a good time we weren't enjoying it we're arguing loads but this is the maddest thing she started going out all the time right right, with a mate of hers. And they started going out with people I didn't know. I didn't think anything of it because I'm just not that – I'm not a particularly jealous bloke, really.

Because, if anything, it's gratitude is the overwhelming emotion that I feel when I'm in a relationship. But I got a phone call, a voice message from somebody I don't know. All right. Going, mate, just so you know, your girlfriend's cheating on you. This is how tragic I am. I just ignored it. I mean, I just, what you're supposed to do in that situation is go,

go and find your other half and go, can you just explain to me what the fuck's going on? Yeah. And I just went, nah, it's probably fine it's probably fine anyway tragic as a few i like when you say these things it's just like i've seen this girl and i remember like i remember her clearly sort of like almost cheating right in front of me with like this guy who's a cool band and like being like all over each other sort of like you know without in front of me with like this guy who's a cool band and like being like all over each other sort of like you know without you know but you could tell it was and then trying to sort of like you know i've been with her for about four or five months and sort of like inject myself into this sort of situation by sort of laughing a joke and put my arm around

her and her sort of being like really laughing with this guy and you're like like i'm not talking like it's fine she's off chatting but like sort of dancing together with their arms on each other's shoulders sort of like laughing and you're like oh my god like yeah and everyone around you going oh they seem quite friendly and you're like yeah i know what yeah no no of course of course you know but you're like yeah there's there's an element of like everyone should be free and whatever but fucking like literally sort of centimeters away from kissing and sort of like if you had a film camera between those fucking lips kissing would be this big goofy face going either of you guys want a drink um yeah uh well uh to eat oh this but this this hold on just before we move on from this what would say is, you know when you're a teenager and you split up with girls or you like a girl that doesn't like you

and when you put on music and sort of feel all sad? I love that. I look back on that with such nostalgia. You know heartbreak when you're young? Oh, mate. It's fucking beautiful. It's the best, wasn't it? Just listening to music, thinking life is against you.

Do you know what I mean? You're sort of looking out the window with the rain hitting the glass oh my god i love it literally on loop just sitting there with a cd fan finding it hard to believe we're in heaven and love is all that i need are you lying here in my fucking parents banging on the door. Oh, no, mate. I'm going to throw a little one in. You know the one I used to listen to?

Go on. Lie awake, it's a quarter past three. Tony Rich. Do you remember the Tony Rich project? Crying all night if I thought you'd hear me. My world is falling down and nobody knows

but me. Oh, God. And then obviously, then I put on a bit of shy guy. Okay. Thank you, Tui. Great email. And listen, oh god and then obviously you know then i put on a bit of shy guy um okay thank you to me yeah great email and listen i am we are both absolutely delighted that you're happily married now mate and that's a what a what a what a lovely lesson uh for everybody uh that even if you get that's and the lesson is this whether it's at lights or in a nightclub and like getting dumped or getting like

the old he foes the harshest thing and when but the right person could well be is going to be out there will be out there for you okay you have my assurance what you workshop in that live on the podcast okay this is from the Red Panda. Wow. I didn't know there was such a thing. They're very rare, I believe. I keep showing wildlife ignorance on this podcast. Hi, Wolf, Owl and Swan. Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

I really need some advice and a pep talk from you. Well, I'll declare myself out. I think Tom's the one to step up for this. As the following situation has given me a lot of anxiety, and I think you'll be able to relate. For almost 15 years now, I've been working for charities and organizations that support the local community i know this sounds rewarding but during the course of the pandemic i've been feeling drained unmotivated and disengaged the idea of getting through a day of work at 9 a.m sometimes brings me to tears on the other side of the coin i've been freelancing as an artist during my

evenings and weekends for the last 18 months to take my mind off the apocalypse happening outside this has been a lifelong passion of mine and my hobby has actually started to bring in some money i've been making enough cash and getting regular commissions in the diary that i'm starting to think i could probably quit the job that would be making me miserable and embark on an exciting new career as an artist slash illustrator just thinking about that makes me want to cry with joy can you tell i'm emotional today lol well you've come to the right podcast for that my question to you guys is this where do you find the bravery to quit a job that has a regular salary and pays the mortgage in favor of a path that is a lot less predictable how did you two find the confidence to quit your jobs and go full-time with comedy do you have any advice i'm so grateful to you for such an uplifting and

hilarious podcast it honestly makes my week. Congrats to the Wolf and Cat on their new cub. They must be so proud. Much love. The Red Panda. Yo, the Red Panda. Number one, I'm literally extending my arm to put it around your shoulder and say you're an incredible human being and thank you for your hard work.

And, you know, doing charity work that you do, that's an incredible thing. And in itself, I think that's the thing of people who do all this work, do so much work for charity. People, I think, ultimately think it's always going to be rewarding, but I think the hard work and the knockbacks and the stuff that you guys do sometimes goes unnoticed. And so, Shat, yeah, I think the biggest thing,

I had two big things that really pushed me forward to going into comedy full time, firstly everyone around me at the time when I was scaffolding no one thought I'd ever amount to anything and I had so many people telling me that I couldn't do it

I sort of had to prove to myself that I could and secondly there's an amazing book that Billy Connolly and I think his wife Pamela Stevenson, I think it's Pamela Stevenson and his wife, is it? And if I've got a name wrong, I'm sorry, that's sleep deprivation. There's an incredible book where she's interviewed. And also not knowing.

Yeah, there's an incredible book that she's done with Billy where she's essentially written it with him and interviewed him for the whole thing. And it's a brilliant book. But anyway, there's a bit in that book where Billy Connolly's out and he's doing, he's basically just started doing, he's playing the ukulele and he's playing gigs and whatever.

And he's doing pretty well with it, but he's still working at the shipyards. He's chatting to one of the old boys in the shipyard one day, and the old guy turns around and says, how's your music thing doing? Billy Connolly's like, oh, yeah, it's going all right. It's going okay. Next year or the year after, I might just go full-time with that.

The old guy says, no, you won't. You won't do it. Because if you always put it off for a minute because next year will become another year another year will become another year and before you know it you're just an old man sitting there looking at a young person who's going to let their dreams fade away and there's a part of that that really resonated with me because i felt myself that if i didn't give something a try i'd always regret it i'd like i completely like i hated the job I was doing.

I was no good at it. I fucking, I felt like I had something else inside me that I could, I wanted to try and sort of fulfill more in my life. I'd always like, from the, from the moment I've been at school, I'd always been like a loser or I'd never really won anything or done anything. And I just always felt like,

you know, I had nothing else to lose. And I just always felt like, you know, I had nothing else to lose because I was always, like I say, I was a loser. So I just thought I'd try this and what would be the worst? It'd just be another thing I could chalk up as something I tried and I'd failed at. And I think that's the thing to always having the back of your head is that success is all well and good.

And it's an incredible feeling to win things or to feel like you've achieved something but actually failure is you'll do what you're learning through trying something and it not working out and then trying and bettering yourself and that's where growing happens and so go for it

go for it and believe in yourself because you got this, you got this Once again great great pep talk from the guy that they call the wolf. Red Panda, I would say to you that you just got to go for it. You just got to go for it.

When I quit teaching, this sounds like I'm giving the opposite advice now. When I quit teaching, I quit a bit soon and I didn't really have any money. It's partly because my dad had passed away so we're trying to sort that out. But like Tom said, you've just got to take the plunge. And when I was a teacher and I went into comedy,

I always thought, well, if worse comes to worse, I could go back to teaching. Sadly, I'm at the stage now where I've said so many horrendous things about my teaching career that that's no longer an option to me if this does indeed end up going to Tits Up. What do you think you would do now? I do sometimes think

if and when this goes like Tits Up the idea of walking back into a classroom. Oh my God. I need a guy who used to Yeah. Looks like you the guy who used to... Yeah. Looks like you were the weakest link, sir. Yeah, I can't even imagine the shit you'd get.

It'd be so weird. What else do you think you'd have to do a job that when no one sees you? Do you know what I'd probably do? I would go and work in a restaurant or something or a cafe or something like that. Really? Yeah. I cannot imagine that. You'd be terrible you'd be awful working in a cafe or australia because like you're the loveliest man i know right but you're like you know what i'd do and it was all i wanted to do as a kid i'd go and work on the bins

would you yeah oh mate all day long all day long that's all i wanted to do as a kid. I'd go and work on the bins. Would you? Yeah. Oh mate, all day long, all day long. That's all I wanted to be as a kid. Yeah. Right. But I think, yeah, you know, you're out in the wee hours of the morning,

you're doing an incredible job that literally no one ever gives you any, no one ever praises bin men, but they're there without them. We'd be completely fucked. Yeah. Like the whole, the whole of society would be living in sewage and shit if it was a bin man. So every time I think that. You thought all this as a kid, did you? Yeah. Yeah. In a way. Yeah. society would be living in sewage and shit if it was a bin man.

You thought all this as a kid, did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a strange little boy you were. I used to see them laughing and joking together and think, I know, it's like fun. When you're sitting on your own because your mates have gone out without you, you can often sort of look at and find yourself envious of the bin men because

they've got friends. I can relate to that. But that would be good. I'd love to do that with you that'd be a good old round well for now doing the rounds again still keep the podcast going we can do it for the work man oh what did we find the other day so that's right we went round to number 33 it's just a bag of our own shit and what do we always say, Rob? One man's rubbish is another man's treasure. See you next time. Right, guys.

We've got to let Tom get back to parenting. So it's time to go. Tom? You're sleep deprived. You're very emotional. Are you in a fit state to do this? Because we don't have to do it. Oh, before you do that, though, I do need to say something quickly.

Merchandise is flying out of Shea Ranga. We have had a couple of supply issues. We're like short on a couple of things. So we're going to get in touch with those people and let you know the deal with it. You've got an option with that. Sorry, I haven't talked to you about this, Tom. But you can either,

but basically I'm going to throw in a few extra bits. I've got an option with that sorry i haven't talked to you about this tom but you can either but basically i'm gonna throw in a few extra bits i've got like books and stuff like that that i'm gonna throw in to say sorry about the delay to people that are delayed but stuff is going out so just uh i'm just mentioning that we haven't you haven't been forgotten about it is coming and i'll throw a couple of extra bits in there to say sorry about the delay uh the the the swan is working her little tail feathers off to get that out as quickly as she can so um so there you go shout out this one shout out this one for her sterling work tom do you feel do you feel okay i feel really okay go for it go for it okay yo how you doing wherever you are listening to this i want you to remember something important the values of something that looms upon us like a

wave I'm talking about Christmas day I'm talking about a time that usually is surrounded by joy and family and at the moment for the second year in a row there is a feeling of where are we where are we at um what's going to happen. And it's kind of nervous. There's anxiety that rolls with this. But I want you to do one thing for me when this day rolls around, when Christmas Day knocks upon your door, whether you're on your own or whether you're with loved ones or however,

I want you to reach out to people. I want you to make sure that you zoom and you find some kind of solace and some kind of don't suffer in silence is what i'm saying christmas day is a very spirit and christmas is a very very special time and i think this as it rolls around this time of year again i actually don't know where i'm going with this yeah it feels like um a little bit more than you could chew here man yeah yeah politically yeah maybe i should have just said i'm just everyone have a good christmas yeah what look but listen you met you made an attempt it was a really good attempt yeah yeah yeah if i'm honest with you yeah yeah like i'm i'm physically and emotionally

drained right now okay well look let's... So I have to just say this. To everyone who's listened to this podcast over the last 12 months, who's been there, to everyone who's got in touch over the last week with amazing messages and sweet, sweet sentiment,

I wish you all a very, very Merry Christmas. You guys are incredible. Thank you for listening. And I shall look forward to being in your ears, your minds and your hearts along the road sometime soon

what a lovely message to give out if this was a solo podcast also yeah Romesh as well just merry no seriously guys thank you so much for

listening to the podcast we're not sure when the next episode will be out yet but we're looking to do one soon

thank you so much take care of yourselves have a great Christmas I know it's all a bit uncertain at the moment but don't let that get you down have a great time we'll see you next time take care

peace out and maybe JT play a little Tony Rich to play us out yeah sure to play us out. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye.

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