Wolf and Owl - Episode 58

Episode Date: February 2, 2022

Whilst Rom struggles with an epic hangover (and a lot of gloating from Tom), we’re talking…. late nights and afterparties, food delivery mix-ups, not dressing your age, a potential fashion consult...ation, baby stresses and more wi-fi woes. Followed by some thoughtful responses to a couple of listener’s emails - and a banging final thoughts collaboration to close the show. For any feedback, questions or comments please email us at wolfowlpod@gmail.com - we’d love to hear from you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:54 Just kidding. Every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Yo. Well. Wow. It's, what time is it it's three minutes
Starting point is 00:02:06 to midday yeah on Sunday the 30th of January oh man you like this already feels like an effort
Starting point is 00:02:11 for you you're wearing like a grey jumper a grey headphone you look the same colour as your headphone you look so grey and world weary
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Starting point is 00:02:33 Cast, cast, cast, podcast! How are you feeling, bud? There's a couple of things I need to establish before... A few bits of admin I want to get into before we get into this. Three things I want to say. First all we'll get into it but tom is absolutely delighted because i have for some reason i don't know what's happened to me um but this is i've been out two nights on the bounce now after uh after happy thing is romesh's next next TV thing is he's joining the cast of Geordie Shore. Going out every weekend getting mortal.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Yeah. You and Nathan. And the other thing is, I want to shout you out now, actually, because we're supposed to do this at 11. It's now midday. It's midday, yeah. You're a busy guy. You're a tired guy.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I said to you, Tom, can we delay it by half an hour because I went out last night? And you said, no problem. And then since then, I've sort of been fucking you about with little text messages going, just two minutes, just two minutes.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And you haven't expressed any annoyance at all. Because I love you, man. And also, I've got to say, I was just looking forward to seeing this version of you. You were like me when I was like 25 or 26 the other thing is that I just spoke to Lisa because our eldest son has decided to go and he's gone around to his mate's house
Starting point is 00:04:00 so I always have to check with Lisa in case I've done something wrong do you know what I mean? yeah because Lisa will go like have you got a coat and stuff like that and i was you know and i'll give you money for weed and so make sure you've got like johnny's on you i mean so it's like we've got different ideas of what going out prepared means um anyway so i spoke i phoned lisa and said like theo wants to go out and then she said to me are you okay? Like not in a not in a it wasn't even in a sort of a light hearted fun way.
Starting point is 00:04:30 She went are you okay? And I went why? She goes you sound you sound you sound smashed.
Starting point is 00:04:36 She goes you sound actually in the middle of being drunk. Oh God. She said and I was like no. What time was your last drink last night?
Starting point is 00:04:43 What time was my last drink? Oh this morning. 4.30 last drink? Or this morning? 4.30. 4.30 this morning? Yeah. Oh, my God. You've done, like, two... Two back-to-back, like, early morning sessions.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Okay, before we get into this. Not before we get into this. As we get into this, I just need to clarify a few things. First of all, I'm not becoming party Rom, okay? No, no, no clarify a few things first of all i'm not becoming party rom okay no no no no no you're not becoming party rom you are party no no no no i just want to be crystal clear on this it's just happened to this that's happened this weekend okay yeah so so friday night i did my last show at the uh at the hammersmith apollo yeah thanks very much to everyone who came to
Starting point is 00:05:25 those shows we've had i'm not going to read them out because it's too embarrassing but i've had a lot of email we've had a lot of emails into the podcast about people that came to those shows uh so thank you so much for coming to them and then martin too smooth um put on an after party for the end of the run um and i went to that and uh do you know what i don't know how i feel about my behavior at that at that well what happened so i got i basically got behind the decks with martin and started doing a bit of kind of emceeing oh really no i wouldn't say it's not emceeing like how drunk were you at this time well i this a party in your honour, by the way? It's not in my honour. It's like the tour after party.
Starting point is 00:06:07 It's not in my honour, though. But I basically got there, and because I'd been on stage, I hadn't drunk at all, and all my mates had been drinking. So, like, you know that thing where you go, well, you just drink quickly because you want to try and catch up? Yeah, you play catch up.
Starting point is 00:06:22 I mean, the idea that that is a phrase that I've struggled to I now know what it's what it's like to be you what do you mean do you know what I mean well just a struggle for vocabulary
Starting point is 00:06:31 you sort of you sort of you sort of know what you want to say but your brain's not giving it to you do you know what I mean I love the fact
Starting point is 00:06:41 that you're really like trying to fight it at the moment you're like you got a little dig in you you're like oh right it's so pathetic it's like watching a fucking like a
Starting point is 00:06:50 it's like watching like a cat in a death rap you're like Wilder you're in like the second fucking Fury fight it's just embarrassing anyway so you got up and MC'd yeah but
Starting point is 00:07:01 I do that a bit actually we do a few after parties and how was it was it like um in a bit of like was it like people encouraging you to do it like and you then doing it or was it like oh no it's my fucking bye and i'll emcee and you sort of because i went to someone's birthday party right and this is i'm not saying you this is like like it's but um it's someone we both know um i won't say their name because they might listen to this but um their fault it was their 40th and they did a concert of like this like their own songs they had a pub and everyone went along and then they spent the whole night singing songs on stage and
Starting point is 00:07:37 put like you know um and actually you know they're a very good musician and very good singer but it was a strange thing to do when people go to sort of see you and you know want to chat with you if you're on stage the whole time um and this person isn't a musician so on that basis were you um were you like oh this is my party i can kind of do whatever i want in like you know not saying you're donald trump but like you're able to just like it's your party you can mc if you want you can eat all the food you want do you mean was it that vibe is there any part of you that feels like you're like you're kicking sort of a wounded animal there's a part of me that thinks i'm getting back at you for that
Starting point is 00:08:13 vocabulary dig no do you know what uh so whenever so occasionally we do after parties i'll get on the mic with with martin but it's not like, look, but it's, it's, I regret mentioning it now. It's, it's not like, it's not like, I don't,
Starting point is 00:08:32 I don't talk a lot. It's just like, I just sort of host Martin's set. Do you know what I mean? But what I'm saying, the thing is, so normally, I'm just sober.
Starting point is 00:08:41 And like, I have the decency to not be a cock, but you know, like that night I that night I'd had a bit to drink and I now know as I look back on it, I can feel, you know, I know that I was a bit fucking more confident than I normally am in a bad way. Do you know what I mean? Piss taking over for a second.
Starting point is 00:09:02 It's a massive moment. You've just smashed like these gigs at your party. Everyone is there. It's a massive moment. You've just smashed these gigs at your party. Everyone is there. It's your after party. And I don't think you're... Look, it's very easy to blow these things out of proportion and the sense in your head
Starting point is 00:09:17 of what you think is really bad. Mate, the reason I haven't really had a drink since the Euros is precisely because of this. Really? Yeah, man. Precisely. I told you at the time, I was like fucking drinking out fucking, I have a pitcher of lager, I'm 40 fucking two,
Starting point is 00:09:31 and then someone pointed out there were cigarette butts in it. That's a fucking low, Romesh. That was a point where I said, you know what, I'm about to be a father. I think I probably need to fucking rein this shit in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got to say having you sort of
Starting point is 00:09:45 talk about how as a father you've decided to to not drink it on the head for a bit sort of modify your behaviour is exactly what I want to hear now
Starting point is 00:09:54 so thank you no no but your children are older now it's absolutely the pep talk that I needed no no no no no because what was what were you worried about
Starting point is 00:10:01 that I sounded too happy now no sweet boy were you nervous were you nervous that I was sort too happy now. No, sweet boy. Were you nervous at us being a bit too positive? Sweet boy. Your boys are older now. So they understand the mix. They know that you work hard and you've got that valve.
Starting point is 00:10:16 You need to sort of let off that steam. No, please don't talk like that. You're making it worse by talking like this. Anyway, and then I went out again last night. I mean, I've already talked too long about that first night, so I'm not going to go into details about last night. But basically, a mate of mine, Friction, is a drum and bass DJ.
Starting point is 00:10:38 He lives in Brighton, and I was gigging in Brighton, and he said, why don't you come down after? So I did. And then it just went from there. I can't say it without sounding like a prick. And it just went from there. Fucking went from there, bro. It's a fucking 330.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Edgy fucking flat in fucking Hove with some really good like-minded souls. Do you know where we've moved now, right? It's like it's kind of of a bridal path, right? So it sort of looks like, it doesn't look like you should drive up there, but you can, there's loads of houses here, right?
Starting point is 00:11:17 So the taxi driver this morning, as he's dropping me off in this thing, I'm just desperate to get home at this point, right? It's about five o'clock. I think the low point was getting in and seeing Lisa up ready to start her day. Yeah, like with the dog. Yeah. Anyway, the driver pulls up at the end of that path and he goes to me,
Starting point is 00:11:42 can you drive up here? And I said, yeah. And then he goes, it's such a weird thing. He just goes to me, no, but can you drive up here and i said yeah and then he goes it's such a weird thing he just goes to me no but can you drive up here i said mate i live up here man you can drive up here and he and then a third time he goes to me a lot can you reverse and turn and come back out and i said dude no no there's just a thousand cars up there i'm really sorry to tell you mate you now live up this path As soon as you drop me off. It's like the fucking island of the Harpies. Once you fucking drop anchor, you're never going to leave.
Starting point is 00:12:13 What the fuck? An entourage of taxis that have all fucking fallen for your lie. Yeah. All right, mate. Yeah, no, no, no. You can say hello to your mates when you get there. We're occasionally throw scraps out to you. Don't worry about that.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Shit in the bushes. I was fucking mad. By the way, speaking of... I know that we big up delivery drivers, and Tom and I, you and I both feel very strongly about bigging them up. The other night, this is since I spoke to you last, right? So the boys, our boys are allowed McDonald's once a month. Actually, that's a lie.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Probably once every two weeks, right? Anyway. Twice a month. Twice a month, yeah, okay. Oh, my God. What a fucking role reversal this is. Anyway. Check this out.
Starting point is 00:13:03 I'd love to know what you would do, Tom, because in situations like this, I deeply respect you. At the moment, I think most situations that you're in, I could shed a little bit of decency. Go on, hit me. So the kids want McDonald's, right? So I go, so I get, it's Uber Eats, I think I got it from. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:22 It takes, like, first of all, it takes ages, right? Yeah, yeah, ages right like 45 minutes i'd say from from click click to delivery okay the bloke pulls up outside the house i get the bag from him and it's like i just grab it quickly he's in a rush i grab the bag quickly and as i'm walking up like walking to the house i can feel the bag don't feel doesn't feel like the order i look at the bag and it's burger king oh what so i turn around and i go to the bloke mate this like we got mcdonald's this is burger king and he just went oh god oh no oh no oh no and he goes i've given that order to someone else. I said, well... Lucky people. So, mate, he goes, I'll be back in a minute, right? Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:14:08 He goes back to the other house. Oh, fuck off. He goes back to the other house. So I said to Lisa, what the fuck happens here? Do we now eat at McDonald's? It's been in someone's house. Do you know what I mean? Even if they've not touched it.
Starting point is 00:14:20 No, no, no. Let me just tell you, this is a physical law of like fucking and that this is a thing right it's a brain overload moment okay this happens to everyone in the world universally soon as you are given that brown bag from mcdonald's and you open it and as soon as you see the chips doesn't matter who you are whether it's your order or not you're having some of them chips absolutely 100 100 right so now i'm thinking even even in non-covid times the idea of a second-hand mcdonald's doesn't appeal right mate yeah yeah so then so he goes to the house and in the meantime i'm saying to lisa i mean i've got to fucking tell this geezer to go back to mac don't like i'm not
Starting point is 00:14:56 i'm not getting this anyway he goes to me i couldn't fucking believe it right i felt sorry for the geezer but it's a simple fuck up, I guess. Also, there's a part of me that if I was a delivery driver right now, you know what I'd be doing? Because this isn't the first time it's happened. McDonald's, KFC and Burger King all use those brown bags.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Should be different coloured bags. Yeah, you're right. And the logos on the bags are so tiny as well. Yeah, exactly. And faint. Yeah. Anyway. And faint. Yeah. Anyway. Carry on.
Starting point is 00:15:27 So he goes, so anyway, he drives to the other house and I'm thinking to myself, I don't want this food anymore. Right? Can I just also, I'm sorry to get you interjecting,
Starting point is 00:15:37 that food that you've given them, so their house, I'm guessing is another 10 minutes away, 15 minutes away from you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So their food from Burger King is even more cold than, oh, my God, this is a fuckfest.
Starting point is 00:15:49 So he phones me from, not from McDonald's, from this house. And he goes, hi, hi, hi, I just delivered you the wrong food. I said, yeah. And he goes, I've just spoken to this family and they've started eating it. They didn't realise. What do you mean they didn't realise? This is fucking hell. eating it they didn't realize what do you mean they didn't realize this is i'm like i said i said i said i said mate do you honestly i said do you honestly think they didn't realize they were eating a different order from a different restaurant i was just like come on man i said and then he said
Starting point is 00:16:18 to me i didn't do what tom i just want to own up i didn't say any of those things i've just said i was nowhere near that kind of assertive i I just went, oh, have they? And then I went, what happens now? And he said, well, do your family like Burger King? I said, mate. Not even like in a sexy way, like he's going to try and turn your head. You know already that the Burger King order isn't as big as your McDonald's order. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 00:16:45 It's like, do you like Burger King, but lesser food? Do you like lesser? Let me tell you something. Do you know how I know the Burger King order's shit? It's because that family didn't complain. That's how I know. All I can think of is this family sitting there, smiling, eating this food,
Starting point is 00:17:00 but with one plant burger just sitting on the side. Yeah, a hundred percent. They're fucking, they're tucking into a fucking order for five people. Yeah. There's probably two of them. And they were just, anyway,
Starting point is 00:17:10 I go to him, I go to him, mate, I'm not eating their Burger King. I said, like, I said, it's not even me,
Starting point is 00:17:17 it's the kids from McDonald's. I don't know why I got into this level of detail, but I just couldn't believe it was happening. Yeah, of course. And then I said to him, so what do we, what happens now? And then he goes to me, I don't know i don't know he goes uh i'm not sure what happens now like what do you want to do i said what i'm by the way as you know
Starting point is 00:17:35 conflict of conflict avoidant mate you know me like i've yeah i just said to him dude i said if you're looking to me for answers i don don't know what to say. I don't know what happens. I don't know what happens when somebody delivers my fucking order. I didn't say fucking. When somebody delivers my order to another house, I said, I don't know what the course of action is there. We all have the power to shape the world. We're connected to the world we share,
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Starting point is 00:18:55 on Disney+. Why not kick back with a cold, smooth bush? back with a cold, smooth bush. Smooth taste. Great value. Bush Lager. Enjoy responsiblyibly must be legal drinking age then he goes you're gonna have to just apply for a refund and like if you get in touch with uber they'll probably ask you to phone them up but what about your dinner then your lunch that's over
Starting point is 00:19:37 the order's that that that part of it is done now i'm not gonna see that food right so no no but you've still got to get some other food right yeah correct so i'm at without food and he doesn't know if i'm going to get the money back that's basically what he said to me right basically the way he worded it it turned out he was wrong but the way he worded it was you've just paid for some strangers you might not get a refund and if you look at a small print of our order it does say um you will get your order or something similar in a sort of reasonably similar bag uh yeah of the same size of the order you had or slightly smaller i mean the idea that that a delivery system where there is a chance that the food will go to someone else but you'll still have to pay for it the idea that's a
Starting point is 00:20:22 sustainable way of doing it is fucking mad. I couldn't believe, the bloke was apologising, but also not offering me any answers. He was just sort of like, I'm so sorry this has happened, and you'll probably get a refund. Anyway, he managed to figure it out, the geezer.
Starting point is 00:20:39 So I don't want to slag him off too badly. I got a refund. But then I had to fucking go to McDonald's. You had to drive? Well, I just said to Lisa, I can't be asked to fucking order this again. So, I mean, the kids are like, you'll know this as your daughter gets older, but they're ready for McDonald's.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I mean, you know that as an adult, right? The kids have asked for McDonald's. They've managed to convince their mum and dad, who are sort of, we don't really let them have it that often. They've convinced their mum and dad to let them have McDonald's. They're fucking buzzing buzzing they're chatting about it to each other we've done it man we're gonna have a mcdonald's tonight i mean it doesn't happen the idea that we were
Starting point is 00:21:13 going to put some other food in it just felt like fucking child cruelty so i i took alex volunteer i know he's your favorite he volunteered to come with me to mcdonald's and um and we went and got it man and it but like but then the process of getting it took, I would say, 10 minutes. And now it's made me realize that there is no, I don't know why I ever got delivery at McDonald's. It's so stupid. It's essentially all of this. It's like, mate, once you also, that's the thing that we all,
Starting point is 00:21:41 once you've got in your head, you're thinking of A food. It's very hard. Like, I was coming back from filming friday yeah and i was like speaking to katherine and all day like we were like we i've not spent any time this week with her grace it's been like a mad like just so full on filmings but i was like i was finishing early friday so it was like i'll grab some fish and chips right anywhere fish and Chip Friday, we'll chill together. You don't say that as you go in, do you? Huh? You call it that as you walk into the house. What?
Starting point is 00:22:10 Do I say that? Fish and Chip Friday. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, sorry, I'm not as good as you. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. No. It's not a thing about me.
Starting point is 00:22:20 It's about you having a little zing. Someone's at the pool table, they're 50p's down, and they want to have a fucking go. Oh, God. this is just me repeatedly getting my pants pulled down but so we've both got
Starting point is 00:22:31 fish and chips in our head we're really looking forward to it then there's a massive there's like an accident on the road on the way home which keeps me
Starting point is 00:22:38 an hour and a half like I get home an hour and a half later when was that Friday yeah I had the same and then Catherine in that time, is like,
Starting point is 00:22:46 but we're both like, oh, we want fish and chips. So we end up eating at like 9.30 in the end. That's an incredible fish and chip shop, the fish and chip shop. But yeah, once you've got that idea in your head, that never goes away. No. It's like you with partying.
Starting point is 00:23:03 I'm so embarrassed. I actually text fish and chips. You know what sometimes you've got to do, man? What? you with partying i'm so embarrassed i actually i actually do you think you put something you know what you sometimes you got to do man what you have to like it's like anything it's like eating shit party and whatever you have to burn it out your system to a point where you go i don't want to do that anymore yeah yeah i guess so but it's this ongoing battle i have with uh last night was it was just this massive drum and bass gig and i'm just looking i'm just seeing sort of young people see me walk past just so much older than everyone i know where was it brighton is it this concord so i just sort of
Starting point is 00:23:37 think this is a bit am i a bit do i look a bit sadder do you know what i mean also drum and bass though is quite an old crowd isn't it it's not that young no but like no but I think sorry I'm saying this as somebody that doesn't know
Starting point is 00:23:49 anything about drum and bass but my experience of seeing Friction's gigs yeah of course is that is that loads of people how old's Friction
Starting point is 00:23:56 I don't know how old he is he's younger than me I think but anyway so well apart from Paul McCartney most musicians are
Starting point is 00:24:04 Jesus fucking Christ do you know what I feel like I feel like just a fucking gazelle that's just been taken down you're just feasting on my intestines I can't help it
Starting point is 00:24:18 because you know what you keep doing is you keep having these really like it's like being in a boxing match and all you've got is like little tummy taps and you keep on throwing them at me.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And every time I go, all right, I'll go easy on him. You throw one. No. No, no, no. First of all, first of all, first of all, first of all,
Starting point is 00:24:34 you're giving yourself way too much credit. You're not going easy on me. This is the **** you've been in a long time on this. And what's happened is, is you've seen, you've seen that I'm not 100% and you thought,
Starting point is 00:24:46 let me just tuck in here and you're fucking absolutely pummeling the shit out of me. You know what you're doing? And then, and then, and then not, you're not,
Starting point is 00:24:52 you're not, you're not satisfied with doing that. So then you, then you try and allow yourself the grace of going, do you know what? I could do you a lot worse than this,
Starting point is 00:24:59 but I decided to take it easy because you're a man. Oh, don't make out that this is like, you've got COVID or you've got the flu. This is all your own doing, my baby. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Are you going to do something nice for Lisa? I know you've had this sort of couple of weeks apart. Well, so we were supposed to be, we were supposed to go out last night, but in next week, I think it is,
Starting point is 00:25:31 Lisa and I are going for one of these. I don't know if you've ever done this, Catherine, we're doing this tasting menu thing. Oh,
Starting point is 00:25:36 nice. Yeah, at this hotel down the road from us. Nice. But it's like 10 courses that come out.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I've only done it once before in my life, but I fucking love it. You know when they bring out the food and they go, this is... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've done it in France. We did it in... It's great. Love it.
Starting point is 00:25:52 You feel like an absolute don. You feel like Khaled, DJ Khaled. Yeah. Well, you're living like him at the moment. He's got a hell of a life. Did you see that photo of Fat Joe? Do you know Fat Joe? You know Fat Joe, right?
Starting point is 00:26:03 Yeah, I do. Which picture are you talking about? It's a picture he posted up on Instagram. It's so embarrassing. It's where he thought he looked quite cool. Yeah. And it's just become a meme because he looked like... Basically, you have to check it out.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Maybe I'll post it up on the thing. It's him in like a hoodie and a jacket in New York and it's like snowing and he's got the Kanye winter boots on. And he just looks like, the best way to describe it is, he looks like a nan from the future. Let me just have a look at this.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Have a look at it. And it's just so embarrassing. And it just reminded me of that thing of, that horrible feeling where you go out thinking you look a certain way, and then reality shows you actually what you do look like it's horrible oh yeah oh my god you've seen it yeah i mean fucking people are rinsing it for it right oh man you know the saddest thing of all that he's tried to own it
Starting point is 00:27:00 no is that i look at him and just see myself in a few years oh god that's exact tom that's exactly why that picture resonated with me bro oh my god oh my god you're right yeah i don't know i feel like do you know what i feel accidentally i've managed to get you where i am that is like looking into the the future i want to message him and just go how did this happen i mean he is owning it bless him but every picture he puts up of this must feel like a fucking kick to the gut. Yeah. I mean, what I thought about that when I saw that, because he put the picture up, he obviously thought it looked quite cool,
Starting point is 00:27:34 and then you look at the comments and everybody's rinsing the fuck out of it. Yeah. And then people are doing mock-up photos. Just imagine what it was like the first time he clicked back onto that after posting the photo. Oh, no you know what it's like i was thinking to myself i can't even look anymore i was thinking to myself i need to post more things of you know just just post stuff where you can actually see yourself because everything i seem to post is just like promo for either this or shows that i'm in and i just looked at that and thought actually no i
Starting point is 00:28:03 think it's all right how it is. You know, the real thing that breaks my heart is that guy's a fucking Don, right? Yeah. He's a fucking cool guy. Yeah. Nothing he's got on there isn't expensive either. No, I know. And he's literally thought,
Starting point is 00:28:17 he's just had to say to someone else, I feel really good about myself. Yeah. Just grab a photo. And now he has been absolutely fucking serenaded as the prat of fucking social media for a whole week. Serenaded as the prat of social media.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Fucking hell. I don't think I've heard the word prat used in anger in a long time. I really enjoyed that. I'm now looking at the fact that on Monday night this week, we've got a screening of The Curse.
Starting point is 00:28:44 And I had an outfit I was going to wear. I actually invite you to try that. Have you not gone up to that email for me? I said to you, I was actually, I could have begged you to come with me as my plus one. And you said, oh, no, I can't this week. Probably because you're going out on the fucking champ with one of your fucking drum and bass or garage mates.
Starting point is 00:29:01 But using the fucking mumbled excuse that you're filming um oh god it's good though actually that you've i think i was probably flying too high at the beginning of this episode mate you feel fucking deflated no but you know but do you think that frightens me about it is that um one of my biggest fears and i think one of your biggest fears as well is the fear that as you get older you'll start to dress terribly or look out of place or look embarrassing yeah and then and and part of the reason and i don't want to get sort of sort of pseudo pseudo psychologist on this is that part of the part of the reason that we buy like you sometimes buy labels and shit like that is because you think this is a way of insulating yourself out of against looking like you've lost touch or
Starting point is 00:29:45 whatever do you mean kind of but to see fat joe spend i think he's probably spent more money on that what he's wearing there than you and i've ever spent on an outfit i would say basically all day long yeah yeah and he looks like that it's bad it's embarrassing it is it's it's a kick it and also you know what because he is also he's like built in the same way, similar to us, isn't he? Yeah. I actually had the flip of this this week. Go on. On set this week, I wore an over shirt that I really,
Starting point is 00:30:15 really like to set. And someone commented, said, oh, my husband would like that. Really like that. It's like a producer type thing and uh actually i met her husband like two three days later and her husband is like he he was quite yeah i mean he's probably he dressed out a 45 year old man shit like it's fat face kind of vibe do you know what i mean um like like next fat face and i was just like how you dress my character in your sitcom
Starting point is 00:30:46 yeah you've been rebelling against it ever since with your party the way yeah yeah I'm not sure just in the mirror
Starting point is 00:30:54 in the bathroom just gapped up to my eyeballs you're not Stuart Williams you're not Stuart Williams just did a Gucci singlet and a pair of but yeah that's the flip of it is that oh now am I
Starting point is 00:31:07 dressing too old like it's such a hard thing it's that thing of like going I don't want to suddenly dress like too old and look a bit but at the same time you don't dress too young and so like this is what I think you
Starting point is 00:31:19 and I should think about gradually transitioning into wearing stuff that men in their mid to late 40s should be wearing what do they wear what do people in the mid to late 40s wear i don't know tom i really don't know maybe you know what if there's like a fashion consultant or someone who knows okay here we go this is i genuinely okay i'm going to pitch something quite mad and i'm hungover i think we should have a, have a guest on.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And I think that guest should be a fashion consultant that tells us how we should dress just for, we just get them on. I think we just get them on for 10 minutes or something. I think there are people out there. I think for, for blokes out there and for women that are worried about how their blokes dress,
Starting point is 00:32:02 but yeah, but I just think I'd want to hear that on a podcast. Yeah. their blokes dress. Big talk, Kevin. This is a massive thing. And for men that are worried who their blokes, yeah. But I just think I'd want to hear that on a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:32:09 I think, let's do it. Because I, I personally, I always think you dress amazingly, but I, I, sometimes like I,
Starting point is 00:32:18 I spend, I do think carefully about what I wear. I do. But like, for example, last night when I was going out, I found it concerning how difficult i found it to put on an outfit that i thought was appropriate and i thought
Starting point is 00:32:31 it looks all right and i mean it's a thing like this is there must be people that just throw shit on right like yeah yeah but then you see people who look like they throw shit on and they look incredibly cool yeah i know i know but they haven't done that though that's the illusion isn't it but this is the thing right i, I can't really say the name of it, but I'm shooting this movie at the moment, and there's a person on that who literally, I've never seen anyone look so cool in everything he wears. Like, everything.
Starting point is 00:32:56 And I look at it, and I'm like, have you just, like, thrown something? Like, it looks like he's just thrown it together, but every colour, every texture just is layered perfectly. Can I tell you something? as you were saying that i allowed myself to fantasize just for a moment that that is the way that you might talk about me to other people no i say about you you dress like me we're very like i have brought a lot of cords and trousers i'm trying to wean myself out of wearing too many jeans a lot at the moment yeah Yeah. I find jeans are just not.
Starting point is 00:33:25 So hold on. If you're not wearing jeans, what are you wearing? Cords, trousers, like chinos. Cords? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:30 What sort of fit of cord are you wearing? A loose fit. I've got to, mate, I've had to push away from skinny, anything too skinny now. It's just not a look, could look for a big man.
Starting point is 00:33:40 But I think, I mean, I feel like I'm getting slightly boring here, but it's such a thin line. The, the fit of jean that, that men like you and I look all right in. Yeah, yeah. Because you go too baggy and you look like you're fucking... Yeah, yeah. That's one of the big problems with Fat Joe's outfit is those jeans are too...
Starting point is 00:33:56 You can't wear jeans that baggy with, like, boots. You look fucking mad. Yeah. Anyway, guys, check out the Fat Joe photo. I think it'll be... I feel like we're fucking really going in on poor fucking mad. Yeah. Anyway, guys, check out the Fat Joe photo. I think it'll be really going in on poor Fat Joe. Yeah. I love Fat Joe.
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Starting point is 00:35:52 Good night, kids. Good night, Mama. life's a trip make the most of it at best western anyway how are you i'm good boy i'm. I'm good. You off? Half an hour in? Massive night last night, because little Gracie slept. We slept as a family of three of us in the room together. Oh, mate. It was a beautiful thing, baby. It was a beautiful thing. Slept right through from... So she had a good sleep, two to about seven this morning. Woke up, a little chill, Blake, when you were getting in.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Fed a little feed. Yeah, it was nice, man. It's been a hard week because I haven't seen much of them. So it's been, well, the last two weeks I've not seen enough of them, really. So it's just nice to have a little weekend, a little chill. Couldn't cook a big old roast. And, I mean, mate, she did, I mean, I don't know, did you ever have those poos which are just like,
Starting point is 00:36:46 she'd done a poo, I put her on a mat to change her, and it was like she looked at me dead in the eye, and it was like, oh, I'm not done yet. And then started shitting on the mat. It was like, I mean, I was proud and I laughed. I was like, go on, girl. Like, yeah. But fucking hell, it was like, I was like, wow.
Starting point is 00:37:01 The first time that Lisa went out and, because like when Theo i the first time that um lisa went out and it's because like when when theo we first brought theo home yeah like as you know and you know better than i do because it's happened more recently for you you are living hour to hour basically oh yeah you can't you can't think you can't think beyond really the next sort of half an hour in terms of your existence right there's no there's no long term you're just like fucking hell fucking hell what's this what's this yeah and it's so stressful and panicky that you can't believe that this happens a lot you sort of think to yourself is this this can't be what everybody goes through because you'd have more advice and help than this this is mental do you mean like same thing right last
Starting point is 00:37:45 night i i set my apple watch so every half hour it buzzed right so it woke me up so i could check on her my my missus is just like kiss gave her a kiss fed her she was like we've got the monitor on her it's like she's gonna be a fine she we have to just fucking chill every half hour i looked and then went back to sleep and then every half hour woke and i did that from yeah i did that from like two in the morning till seven i want to tell you something genuinely please do not worry about doing that bro like obviously you've got to try and stop doing that and you will stop doing that but i love you for the fact you do that because it's exactly that's exactly what i was doing you just right you go you go the fucking agony of having a baby is that when they're making noise you can't sleep and
Starting point is 00:38:29 then when they do get caught go quiet you worry that they're okay it's that it's that it's so fucking mad do you mean like it's that you suddenly go oh there is no set of circumstances now in which i relax because because when they're noisy i'm freaking out about trying to get them quiet and then when they're quiet i'm terrified because they're quiet it's mental i had like a break like a so the other day we were filled with fucking hours we're filming it's been insane so i'll get home at like 11 o'clock right i'll pick up the next days at 5 yeah i am so kathleen's and like like shout because they could have they were like go and stay in a hotel but i'm not i don't want to i want to come home i want to see my baby i want to see my wife i
Starting point is 00:39:08 want you know it's only the two of us so she needs that support so i get home katherine's like won't you crash out for a bit and then you can like do the sort of like early morning feed i love what a lovely woman oh she's a darling she's a saint so i go i crash out katherine comes and gets me says like you know grace is sleep but um so i go downstairs start feeding her get her off then i go put her in a um thing i think she's in a um she's in like the other room i can just sit in with her in this in the spare room type thing chill with her um got the monitor on i might be able to catch like an hour's sleep so i sort of close my eyes and start dozing off and then the monitor does the beep thing the alarm sound right i'm i've never got what what triggers that oh no this is
Starting point is 00:39:50 the thing so it's usually like there's a mat underneath her we've got one and so there's a mat underneath her mattress that senses if she's breathing and it senses so usually it would be the temperature gets too hot in the room which you've got to be careful of or they don't sense her to breathe in right okay i'm like dart out of bed checked her she's fine she's breathing it's the fucking wi-fi as you know the problem with wi-fi in my house the wi-fi has dropped out in the whole house right dropping out the monitor so in the short like you're talking about in the short period i'm like i'm not sleeping tonight but then i have to think well katherine's got a whole fucking day with grace and it's just the two of them,
Starting point is 00:40:26 and she won't be able to get through the day without this monitor. So I then fucking go downstairs. I'm like, this fucking guy, I mean, it's an incredible job he's done, but he's basically put our fucking router behind these fucking amazing, we've got a stairway where we've got the dog's bed, we've got fucking all these cupboards that pull out, all our jackets and shoes. And behind these massive fucking wooden things is the fucking router right so i'm pulling them out gently because i don't want to fucking wake cathy cuffing and grace but they're fucking they
Starting point is 00:40:54 weigh a ton right yeah it's now at this point 3 30 in the morning right oh my god i'm so so i pull them out i'll get them out but you could they're our hallway, so you've got to put them both in another room. Yeah. So then I'm resetting the fucking room. All the time, I'm literally muttering like insanity. Like, this is going to be fucking safety of the child. This is insane. Mate, this is so insane.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Like, I'm the fucking waiting on the fucking company, their chat, waiting on the chat. Oh, give us a shout on the chat thing. And I'm sitting there going, I'm going to fucking ruin them. So I get the whole thing sorted, get back in, literally get everything, reroute the whole fucking thing, get everything working,
Starting point is 00:41:35 get the fucking monitor working, get into bed, and then my alarm goes off and it's like fucking 10 to 5 and I'll get picked up in 10 minutes. And I'm like, oh, this is just so fucking I've not yeah honestly they should be foolproof things like that like genuinely
Starting point is 00:41:52 like when it's your peace of mind and it's your baby that they should there shouldn't be anything I mean it's not their fault it's my Wi-Fi and like again a kick in the dick to Sky fucking and your shitty because I've called three times and been told now that it's fucking sorted i literally am like you know what i'm you sorted out you sorted out the uber the guy with the food you just went and did it yourself i literally they
Starting point is 00:42:16 go it's tom davis on the phone i'll just put his pants down he'll believe anything you tell him that fucking idiot he's not fucking like i'm literally like the mayor of Bellingtown when it comes to fucking talking to a complaints department. I'm too trusting and too nice. I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, thanks, mate. Cheers. Have a good day.
Starting point is 00:42:35 I should never say that to people who have done something. Like the first time I'm saying it, literally I called them last week. Have a great day. Thanks so much for helping. They're sitting there like that, filing their nails or playing champ manager. I end up sort of getting so sort of high on my own belief that i sorted it out by speaking to them i sort of go you know sorry to bob you like
Starting point is 00:42:53 you know how it is it's just sort of you know this is this is the one where you know this is the thing i always say i always go um look i know it's not your fault, but this has happened. Mate, oh God, Tom. It's so pathetic. I've done that so many times. It's so fucking like, I know it's not your fault and I really don't want to have a go at anyone because I know it isn't.
Starting point is 00:43:13 And it's like they're sitting here making a wanker sign going, that's fucked. But you should just phone up and go, listen. I reckon there's a list of things that they must know what customers say. And I reckon there's a bit on that thing that. They, they must know what customers say. And I reckon there's a, there's a bit on that,
Starting point is 00:43:27 on that thing. My issue, it says when they say, I know it's not your fault. Feel free to absolutely fucking remember as much as you like, because, because what you've got is everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:38 That you've got, you've got yourself. There is a top tier mug. You can literally do whatever you like to those. But even if they, even if they say they're canceling the service, they'll still be paying you a monthly tier mug. You can literally do whatever you like to those. Even if they say they're cancelling the service, they'll still be paying you a monthly subscription. Yeah, they don't even know how to get into their bank because their bank's fucking pulled their pants down years ago.
Starting point is 00:43:54 These people have no passwords for anything. Fucking collateral damage in any fucking disaster movie. Oh, God. Right, do you want to send me emails, my G? Let's do it, my sweet G. My sweet prince. Okay. Nothing too heavy and sad today because of...
Starting point is 00:44:20 Oh. Well, no, no, we can. Yeah, we can. But I was worried about you more than anything else. This question, I'm just going to say, I don't think we're qualified to answer but okay but let's just give it a try let's give it a try okay hi wolf owl swan and cat i've recently discovered the podcast uh i've been having a difficult time recently with some mental health issues and you guys have brought me a lot of joy and helped me see the light in the world so thank you sweet
Starting point is 00:44:41 sweet souls well thank you uh now on to my problem please keep me anonymous several years ago when i was a teenager i came out to my whole i came out to my whole family and everyone i know is a lesbian everyone took it well except for my grandma who struggled a bit uh but after a few years of questions of whether i was sure has ultimately accepted it i'm now in my mid-20s and i've only ever dated women i've never never even kissed a man this is where tom comes it no i'm only joking however i'm currently single for the first time in my life i've started to get celebrity crushes on men at first i thought it's because i was lonely and a bit desperate but i'm now starting to consider that i might be bisexual now here are the problems with that one i've been considering spending my
Starting point is 00:45:23 dating pool to include men but if it turns out that i'm wrong and i'm in fact only able to fall in love with women i don't want to hurt some poor guy in the process what a sweet thing to think the obvious answer to this would be to be upfront and honest about the situation but i would but i worry that we'd invite creeps who just want to turn me oh god so you know it's a by the way that that's like of the male fucking you know we've got a lot of disgusting fucking traits but that's like, of the male fucking, you know, we've got a lot of disgusting fucking traits. But that's one of them that fucking makes me feel absolutely fucking sick. Do you know what?
Starting point is 00:45:52 Do you know what? Whenever you just sort of think, fucking hell, men do do shit like that. Oh, God. And then I just got depressed. Anyway, two, if it turns out I'm bisexual and I do get with a man, I'm worried about having to re-come out to everyone, as i just feel this would be a bit awkward and i feel embarrassed about having got wrong in the first place plus there's the additional issue this proved my grandma right all those years she tried to convince me that i wasn't really gay i'd really appreciate any
Starting point is 00:46:14 advice having the situation uh you're sweet and kind individuals and i really need some help plus as men i feel like you might have a perspective on the situation that i'm not seeing thanks in advance for your help all the love in the world. The koala. Before we hand over to Tom, can I just say, I know Tom normally says this, but the way that you've written this email, I can just tell that you're so lovely. So thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Amen to that. Tom, go on. Yeah, the koala. I think this is almost one of the most simple, it's an incredible email and you're an amazing human being, but this is pretty simple advice. And I will come across as hacky, but you just need to just do you and just fuck everyone.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Like fuck everyone else and fuck everyone. Everything you're saying shows the depth and decency that you have as you know, you as a person, but all everything you're saying is you're worried about other people and how other people are going to see your life decisions, how other people are going to react to your life and that's great and it's you don't want to be a selfish person but also you need to find out who you are in the mix of things so firstly i don't think you have to you know make some sweeping thing of like worrying too much
Starting point is 00:47:19 about you know i think if you're earnest and you're like say oh i don't quite know what i'm looking for or you know you're just sort of, you know, you could sort of tell a white lie in a situation of sort of seeing men and going out, and the basis you say that, you know, you're just sort of out of a relationship or whatever, which, you know, and you're looking, just looking for someone just to sort of spend some time with
Starting point is 00:47:39 and sort of see how you feel. You know, it's a hard one for myself and my wish to give advice to, because neither of us have ever been in that situation and the only thing I can is give you it as a how I see it as as a decent human trying to sort of work life out and that is that you just have to focus on you being happy it's like and like for me to be in a situation I am and for Romesh to be where he is and for anyone there's always been situations where something's not been quite right for you, and you've had to break up with someone, or you've had to move on.
Starting point is 00:48:11 And however, any of us, whether you're bi, gay, straight, whatever in that scenario, all of us have had something's not right in a situation, and we've had to move forward with it. And sometimes that's been at the behest of other people's happiness or sadness, but, you know, they move on as well. I don't think you have to worry too much at the moment about going to your family and saying this is happening. I think wait till you know yourself, get some clarity on the situation
Starting point is 00:48:37 and where you're at with things. And I think with your grandmother, mate, if this is the case and you are bisexual, as silly as it sounds, make a joke out of it and make her feel that she was right. But again, don't give it too much time thinking it. Focus on you and you being happy. And that's the key to it. And the key to all doors will become yours,
Starting point is 00:49:02 and you will be happy, my friend. Okay, okay. I always intervene slightly too late. Romy, Romsky, go. Great advice. Listen, I just think you just seem so considerate and lovely, and I sort of feel slightly sorry for you that you're worrying, that you're having to worry about this as much as you are.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I think you need to do exactly what Tom says and do you. If you feel like you want to date a man, then do that. Listen, we've not been through it. I think you will know. I think you'll know. And if you are behaving only in the most honest interests and doing things because you think that's the right thing to do and that's how you feel, there's nothing wrong with that. You can't second guess how you might feel in the future. You can only act on how you feel at the moment and with the information you've got to hand and if that means that you want to give dating men a try
Starting point is 00:50:08 then you don't have any responsibility really to some bloke that you're just seeing for the you know early on in a relationship you don't you don't need to tell them all of that i mean you can just see how it goes and if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out if it doesn't work out because you suddenly decide you don't want to date men that is one in a in a in thousands of reasons why people stop seeing each other so this is no worse than any other reason people wouldn't give a shit if they decided to stop seeing somebody just because they did something that irritated them or they fancied other people nobody would get like you know those are legitimate reasons to split up with someone so you don't have this doesn't become you know this this isn't a worse reason for it to not work
Starting point is 00:50:48 out you just do what you you want to do you know i don't i don't think you're going to be inconsiderate because based on how you've written this i just think you seem like somebody that would always be thinking about those things i'm just always going to think about other people yeah i will say this as well um is you know this might just be because you know i have a door i'm genuinely sitting here so worried that i know i'm genuinely worried about the fact of like her not meeting like a nice bloke like there is some fucking bellend out there he's going to take advantage of the situation or like be wary of any person who comes forward saying i'm a really nice guy by the way like
Starting point is 00:51:26 feels like that's the one thing that we could help you don't allow that don't allow that to make you stop listening to the podcast because now that's pretty much our yeah no we don't no we try and put that across so tragically don't we but be wary of that yeah um but it'll be great it'll be great i mean i'm slightly nervous now we're going the other way now she's gonna also be careful and please get in touch and let us know how things go yeah please do get in touch the one other thing i would say is um life becomes a lot easier when you stop worrying about things you can't control and you cannot control how your grandma thinks about the situation so i would my advice to you would be to absolve yourself completely of any responsibility
Starting point is 00:52:05 of how your grandmother feels about the situation. You cannot do anything about that. So fucking don't give it a second. Let me say this as well. I'm just going to throw it out there. Cause I might just be emotionally charged with everything that's happened at the moment. But when we do a live event in a place near you,
Starting point is 00:52:19 uh, whether you have a date with that smell, female, whatever, or you're just coming on your own or with a friend, there's two tickets to our live event for you. Just get in touch. We'll keep you updated.
Starting point is 00:52:29 You're an absolute G. I feel very emotionally connected to you right now. Yeah, yeah. And listen, it sounds like you're very worried about the situation. I'm sure that was the absolute. I imagine all your troubles melted away when Rob, when Tom offered you. When Rob! When Tom offered you. Oh, Rob! When Tom offered you.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Oh, Jesus. When Tom offered you two free tickets. Getting your cockney's mistaken. Yeah. When Tom offered you two free tickets to a fictional show. Okay. Even if we just take you out for some food. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:53:00 This is what happens when I start to sort of become too emotional about an email is you then sort of tie me up in this fucking situation now listen Koala we're not going to take you out for dinner ok let me just be absolutely crystal clear on that after spending 10 minutes talking about watching out for men
Starting point is 00:53:18 and weird offers and men behaving strangely we're now suggesting that you come out for dinner with us two strangers I mean what the fucking hell? All I'm saying is I'm worried about you. Do you. Be strong. And go fly. In touch.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Okay, next email is from the loyal lady lizard. That sounds like a really bad character from He-Man or something. He-Man! You evaded my trap this time. You'll never catch me,
Starting point is 00:53:55 The Loyal Lady Lizard. This won't be the last time you hear from The Loyal Lady Lizard. Hey, are we going to put the Lord Lady Lizard in any more episodes? No, it didn't really work. I think we'll just keep it. He-Man cuts her head off. Okay. Dear Wolf Allen
Starting point is 00:54:13 Swan, I want to start with the usual. I love the podcast. Speak to Romesh Rincey at the Apollo. Oh, wow. Shout out. Your set is what leads me on to my questions. In the second half, there was a sex theme. I talk a bit about my sex life in the second yeah uh my question is hmm well look i'm there's two questions here i'm going to focus on the second question because the first question sort of gives away a little bit of what i talk about in the show anyway we don't really give about that yeah so anyway second
Starting point is 00:54:38 question if two people's sex drives are polar opposite do you think the relationship can last forever without something having to give i do my boyfriend but it's been five years and maybe two or three guys at sex that failed to come to any conclusion if either of you were in my situation what would you do just for consideration i had a very exciting past before he stole my heart we'd love to know your thoughts on this and thanks to this one uh big love from the loyal lady lizardard. Did I read that all right? Yeah, it's lovely. It's beautiful. And also, let me shout out the Lord Lady Lizard.
Starting point is 00:55:10 I respect the fact that actually I know why you've called yourself that name. I respect that now. I think, you know what? I think it's a situation. I think that quite a lot of men go through this. I think it's an easy thing, I think, to... And I think that quite a lot of men go through this. I think like it's an easy thing, I think too.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Uh, and I think society will want all of us to sort of, sort of shout, you know, conform to this belief that, you know, blokes are always really, really up for sex and,
Starting point is 00:55:37 and sort of, you know, that sort of, you've been in a long relationship with, oh yeah, bloody hell, you know, it's sort of,
Starting point is 00:55:41 it's a common joke of like, you know, you've been in a long relationship and, you know, your wife or girlfriend doesn't, yeah, bloody hell, you know, it's a common joke of like, you know, you've been in a long relationship and, you know, your wife or girlfriend doesn't want sort of to have sex or whatever and you're all up for it. I think it's a real sort of old school belief in, you know, sort of this sort of the sham of masculinity that I think we're trying to sort of like shed and like get rid of. And I think it's an important thing actually that we all should talk about.
Starting point is 00:56:05 And I think like for me anyway, I think there's times in my life when like I've been depressed or I've been down and things haven't, you know, that, that part of my life or that thing that's sort of like, you know, that, that can be one of the things that suffers. I think it's, it can, you know, it can happen to quite a lot of us. I think it's something that when your self-belief or your self-worth starts dropping probably one of the first things that goes is any kind of
Starting point is 00:56:29 sort of belief in your yourself in a sort of sexual nature and i think that's sort of something that none of us really really talk about because it's it's quite an embarrassing thing to talk about i think like so my my first thing would be like you having a discussion with him and a chat with him to see whether there's something else that's going on, whether he's depressed or whether he's down or whether he's got other issues that maybe you don't know about. And also don't be scared to, as a couple, go and speak to someone. If it's weighing quite hard on your, you know, you saying your email, and I think it's the most telling bit of your email is that, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:08 you had this really exciting life until he captured your heart. So, you know, I think it's, it's obviously someone that you care about and you've got a lot of feelings for, and I think it's very important for you to make sure that you open up that sort of communication with him. Don't push him too hard. And there's people out there who he can go and talk to but i think quite quite often the sort of that side of things
Starting point is 00:57:32 can sort of fade away when sort of depression or like i say something like that is is a foot so uh it's probably just worth checking him and having a conversation with him uh and and to him it's you know i've got friends it's happened to, it's happened to myself. It's something more common, I think, than any of us would probably, and it's probably still got a stigma around it. It's probably still something that we don't speak about because at the moment we're just sort of, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:59 we're just touching base with what mental illness is and how it affects people. And I think, yeah, there's a long way to sort of delve before we're anywhere near sort of getting to sort of some sort of result. But anyway, that's me. Big T.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Good luck. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great. Great. Great. Um,
Starting point is 00:58:17 uh, very good advice from Tom. Now I would echo everything that Tom said. Uh, look, uh, lower lady lizards. Um,
Starting point is 00:58:24 I think that the impression I'm getting is uh look your sex drives a polar opposite and you're trying to figure out what to do about it and as tom says there might be something a bit more kind of going on underneath that but let's if we hypothesize look at it god kill me but let's hypothesize for a moment that it's just like it's just that you want sex a lot more than he does the truth is you already know
Starting point is 00:58:49 the answer to what you need to do it's like you know there are two options here I've you this is small enough of an issue
Starting point is 00:58:57 for you to just leave it and you love him so much that or you love him enough that that's just a thing that you compromise on in the way that you have to compromise on things when you're with somebody.
Starting point is 00:59:08 I don't even think Lisa's got time to detail exactly the full list of compromises that she's made to be with me. But, you know, it's just one of those things. Or it does bother you. The fact that you've emailed us suggests that it does. So you now have got to figure out what you've got to do about that and and and by that i mean you know you two have got to have a chat and you know you are you're either going to have a chat and you're going to sort that out yourselves or you need to speak to somebody else about it because there are people that you can talk to
Starting point is 00:59:38 this problem occurs a lot you know so much and there are people whose job it is to help people in situations like that so i would say that you know take some action i And there are people whose job it is to help people in situations like that. So I would say that, you know, take some action. I don't mean that to sound as prescriptive as it did, but you know what I mean? It's like this can be sorted. So please don't sit there thinking, okay, this is, I'm unhappy, and this is what life has got to be going forward because it doesn't.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Okay, Tom. Yeah. I kept you waiting. I would describe my performance on this episode as, I don't know, a three? Maybe it would have been one of my favorites. Yeah, if you're talking out of five, you've been great. It's been my favorite version of you.
Starting point is 01:00:18 The old booze hound. Tom, could you do us the honor of... Oh, God, do you know what? I do quite enjoy what happens to my voice when I'm yes you've kind of got a nice
Starting point is 01:00:28 croak to it please you sound like a sort of sexy frog from a Disney cartoon yeah oh yeah um
Starting point is 01:00:34 I think you need to go and speak to him yo yo yo okay Tom could you take us out of the podcast please yo
Starting point is 01:00:42 let me just say this I'm gonna break it down break it down don't give up don't give up that's on so many different things yeah oh yeah it comes to me and it dawns upon my brain and into my spirit so much of us in life start upon a journey that we never conclude on a journey and when when it's doing that what happens is a little bit of us chinks away a little bit of the things away whether it's you looking around thinking yeah i'm gonna start knitting i'm gonna knit my bro a jumper i'm gonna knit i'm gonna knit my bro a
Starting point is 01:01:14 jumper yes and you never get i could never get to that place where the jumper becomes one you just end up with some wool and a few lines of something that was a good intention. Never finish that jumper. Was a good intention. Yeah, oh yeah. Don't want it on my brain. The greatest thing you can do is start something and finish it. Yo, for me this week, I started playing Championship Manager. Haven't played it for a long time.
Starting point is 01:01:38 Died off as Palmer, and my dream is to one day lift the Champions League. That road has been met with adversity, but I will get there. Because if there's one thing, it's... Champions League. It's resilient. I want you to pick something this week. It may be eating 15 apples. I love apples.
Starting point is 01:01:54 It may be cleaning all your trainers' stroke shoes. They're so dirty. It may be learning how to moonwalk. I want you to learn something and accomplish it. And with that, I want you to... Sorry, it take me too long to do that videos of you achieving things that are all for now oh my god oh my god no no no no let me say every battle in every war is winnable and losable but you've got this it's up to you
Starting point is 01:02:21 whether you can win or lose it so pick something and my god defeat it, you got it you eat it, you shit it out of your ass you are the one I was really not prepared for shit it out of your ass that was exceptional work yeah, that's my words of advice. Tom, thank you so much for the advice.
Starting point is 01:02:46 It's great advice. It's great advice if you ignore sort of circumstance and luck as being factors in your journey. Okay, cool. Guys, we will see you next time. I'm so sorry for how hung over I was today, but I promise next time I'll be better. I speak for the
Starting point is 01:03:06 whole pack. If you make it a hat trick next week, then we've got a problem. Yeah, I would agree with that. Because if it's three weeks out... I mean, that could be a problem because I'm in Halifax next week. Oh my God. And I think we all know Halifax like a pie.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Baring the old fucking erection you had for Stockport Halifax is I think the most likely thing's gonna happen is that I'm gonna have a curry hangover
Starting point is 01:03:30 because I think we're going out for a little ruby ting after the show let me show man that's my favourite kind of hangover
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