Wolf and Owl - Eyebrow accidents, a lack of aura and Dungeons & Dragons

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Should Romesh get a new look? On this week’s episode we talk hairdressers, Tom’s grooming accident and the curly girl method. Plus, Romesh shares his new game obsession and becomes the dungeon master as we play some D&D. Don’t forget, we’ve got two episodes a week with our bonus Friday episodes where we answer your questions – send in your questions for us at [e-mail]. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Listen. 00:00 Romesh the actor 01:55 Complete lack of aura 05:00 My hairdresser 08:30 Trimming eyebrows 11:15 Highlights 13:30 The Curly Girl Method 16:00 Dressing your age 23:00 Oliver 29:36 Dungeons & Dragons 38:40 Tom's Outro: A whole new you 34:43 "You've aggravated the GOBLIN now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's very sexy face that. We're ready to go? I can feel this, the actor in you really seeping out. What are you talking about? It's nice. No, no. Have we started this to start the app?

No, no, we can start that. Are we starting out? Oh yeah, but I feel like this. Welcome to the Wolf and Out. Yeah, what do you want? Beak or George, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with floors, whatever's prefer.

Just kidding, every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Welcome to the Wolf for now. With me, Rommershank. Nathan and me, Tom Davis I feel it so much in you No, you're, you're getting in my head

There's no Thespian There is no Thespian Do you know what I think it is? What? I think you have become I think you've Almost relaxed The you know, like when they say

With great acting, I mean you see really good actors They can, they stop They lose like any sort of sense of Like inhibitions, but what people think Yeah And that's what true greatness is I think there's an element of that world.

You think I don't care what people think of me. No, no, but yeah, but I think you'll seem more relaxed. You're like you seem more chilled about it. Look, it's just, um, it's about expressing yourself,

isn't it? And, you're expressing yourself beautifully, sir. No, I don't think I've changed. You're just putting this in my head now. No, I'm going to feel like I'm going to have to counteract this.

No, don't counteract it. Be that. Be that thing. It's beautiful to see. It's like, you know, like, you know, I'll tell you what,

butterfly breaks out from being a girl it was a caterpillar, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then it forms a cocoon. Yeah, and then it becomes a beautiful. So I was a caterpillar on the previous wolf for now. Yeah.

And then for a couple of months I've been in a cocoon. And now the butterfly's out. I hope you enjoying the butterfly. The butterfly effect? Yeah. No, that's a different thing, isn't it? That's a completely different thing. How are you, my friend?

I'm very good, thank you. Feeling very good. Chilled, relaxed. What's going on in the world of Romish rang and Aethon? Away from being a thespian, a theatreite. Well, I started to write the tour Nice. For next year.

I say next year. Yeah, next year. How's it feeling? It's a bit where you go, I don't know what this is going to be yet, really. I mean, I've got the idea. Yeah. Doing that.

Very excited to say. Oh, actually, I need to talk to you about this. Yeah. So, you know, I've had this mustache hair combo for a while now. Which I love. Yeah, yeah. And I've basically, it's actually been quite a good exercise for me in

caring less about how I look, right? Because you're forced into a look that is not your... What was I just saying at the stop of this? It's not your favourite look. Yeah. But you're fucking owning it, sir. Well, that's very kind of you.

Charlie said to me, this morning, our youngest, how are you managing with your complete lack of aura? And I said, what do you mean? Wow. And he said, well, you don't look your best, do you? Wow. Because of your hair and your moustache.

And he goes... How's he saying that? Like, is this over breakfast? Yeah, this morning. Yeah, we're just sort of padding around having our little morning check-in. So hold it. Was there any...

Like, any schick or any sort of chat before this? He found it funny what he was saying, but he meant it. By the way, he is funny. But he meant it. He said, like, you haven't really got any aura. Do you think he's been building up for that? No, it's the sort of thing he says regularly,

but not this, like, full-on. He's noticed yours has been seeping away. Maybe, yeah. Maybe sort of... He feels like... He said to a child, lying in bed going, you know what, I'm going to broach the aura of the dad this morning. So he said to me, yeah, he was like, Coco Pop. He said, he said, what was the other thing he said to me?

He goes, you're not Prime You right now, are you? Jesus. He goes, are you excited about getting back to being Prime You? So you've got Roy Keene living in your house. I know. So I said, what do you think Prime Me is? And he said, well, you've got to have a beard. Yeah. He said to be Prime U.

Okay. And he said, he said, you used to have your hair like kind of properly dumb. And he goes a little bit trimmed up and stuff. He goes, that's prime you. He goes, right now he goes, you've got no aura. He goes, so... That's such... How I was thought Charlie was a sweet one?

Yeah, I mean, he was... That's his sweetness. Yeah. So, like, you know, with Charlie, you get... If I'd have started to look like I was getting offended, he would have, like, backtracked. Yeah, of course. But he was just sort of...

Oh, my God. How was your morning, Charlie? Yeah, I sort of had to sort of tackle quite a difficult thing with my dad, because he's sort of... I can just imagine him, after I left to come and do this, he went over to Luce and he goes, I had the chat you wanted me to have him.

By the way, Alex, mum, I know where he got me to do that because, yeah, but seriously, I can't keep destroying dads. I know we've all been talking about it every night,

six nights a week when Dad's doing the play. And I've had the chat with him, guys. I know you didn't want to, but I've had the chat with him. He looked a bit crestful and bless him. And it looked so ugly as he did it

because of, obviously, because of the face. but he's taking it on board are you what is going on after the play is it the beard's coming back I don't know I sent a text message to Jonathan Andrews

my hairdresser who we know oh wow I've never ever heard him described as my hairdresser my hairdresser he's the guy that does my hair dresser he's a guy that does my hair is that Liz Taylor

is that a weird way of saying it my hairdresser haven't you yeah your own personal hair dresser It's not my input. If somebody cuts your hair, they're your hairdresser. I mean, I go to the same barbers, but I have like, there could be six different people.

Oh, no, it's always. Jonathan. Jonathan. Yeah, there you say, he's your hairdresser. I mean, it's not at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Was he made, did he do that?

I sent him a photo. No, he didn't do this, no. He wasn't allowed to. He's a wonderful craftsman, by the way, Jonathan. Yeah, but apparently that's not pretentious to say that. Well, no, I mean, he doesn't do anything for me. Can I just have seen, I've, I've, he does a lot for me. I watch from the outside

Right Anyway the point is You Jamie, Joel Domit Yeah I sent him a face Sam Thompson Oh my God You know what just really hit me

Is how much Less attractive I am Than all of the other people That Jonathan cuts their head Sam Thompson Jamie Rednap And fucking Joel Domit And then I'm like a fucking

Anus Polop Of those clients I can't imagine Jonathan does anybody Who's cut His head you cut A Sam Thompson

Jamie Rednap Joel Domit I heard a rumour that you cut Romish rang and him said no No no no no I cut it once Yeah

Have you seen it now I had to cut a sample of his hair for the police Actually he did ask me He cut his hair But this is not worth it So I did it It's not worth it

I did it a picture of you I sent him I sent him To him Yeah I don't I just want to see What sort of face

You pull If there's any irony In this I didn't put a face I couldn't remember Oh, to be fair, that's alright, because you're having a joke. That's fine. If you've done a really serious face, sort of.

So you've turned around to him. I said, I said, help. Yeah, okay. And then he said, what do you want to do? And I said, I don't know. Wow, that's nice. And I just said, whatever you think. That's got, that's for a hairdresser, by the way.

That's everything. I don't know if that's good or terrible. But anyway, he said he's going to think of something. Wow. And then I would have that haircut. Do you not shaved up the one side or something like that? Yeah, just like, you know, like, yeah, shaved it on so and then all flipped over. Yeah, that would look kind of sexy.

Asymmetric bob. Yeah, yeah. Like, what would be the look? Because you've had some wacky looks recently. You had the sort of goatee thing, didn't you? Yeah. And I have had a tash for a while with a bit of stubble, and then I got real. I had this for a job, by the way, at a tash.

Yeah. I actually fell in love with it, and I've kept it with a bit more stubble. Yeah, but I'm thinking about going completely back to basics, clean-shaven, shaved head. No. What do you mean no? Yeah, I don't. I'd love to see it. What do you mean no?

Because you've got hair and gorgeous hair. No, but I mean like really short. You're a fucking sad. Don't get Aggie? Yeah, I do get Aggie because you've got hair. I haven't got that luxury to go, oh yeah, you know, I'll just shave it all right. You've got beautiful. You've got beautiful.

You've got beautiful hair. It's, by the way, one of your, I'd say it's in your top five attributes. What are the other four? Your nose. You've got a nice, strong nose. Your mouth. I think your mouth's nice. Your ears.

Don't just name stuff you're looking at. No. Just go for your eyebrows. I trimmed these recently. Yeah, can I say your eyebrows are actually... All right. Do you trim your eyebrows? Of course.

So I hadn't been doing it. What? I hadn't been doing it. You've never trimmed your eyebrows? I've had it done. Does Jonathan not do them? Yeah, he does them. Yeah, I was going to say.

But I've not seen Jonathan for a long time. Okay. But the character you're playing in the play would have those sort of wispy to turn up. They weren't started to turn up. But it's like, every now and again, I'd rub my face and then one of the eyebrow hairs would come into view. fucking hell

that is, that is too long That's the teacher's look by the way Yeah So anyway Triming in your eyebrows Is actually quite difficult Yeah You did it yourself

That's crazy They look so strong You think so Yeah You've got really strong eyebrows I don't want to get too I don't want to get too sort of I say too boring

I think that ship has sailed But your eyebrow hairs I ran a beard trimmer across them Yeah Because the hair is so thin And lies so flat It's actually very difficult to do Yeah you've been careful

Because I tried that and I ended up having little lines here, you know, like I was trying. Yeah, that was an accident. What, the two little dashes here? That was a mistake. Did you notice when I had that? What? That wasn't that long ago.

You think that was an accident? You want to pass it off as an accident? Yeah, I was experimenting. You were trying something, weren't you? Yeah. Just be honest. Yeah, I was trying. So what look we try and emulate when you did that?

When you haven't got hair, you try different things. Express yourself in different ways. Yeah. So what, so you... So I look from my hair line down and go, where's the next... What can you do? What can you do with the hair that you've got? Where's the next stop?

Yeah. And I thought, maybe I'll just have a little, like a sort of abs from five neck. Is that really what happened? Yeah. And then what did Catherine say? She, to be fair, I've got very faint eyebrows. Right, so she didn't notice. She didn't really notice.

You still got a bit of a neck. Really? Can you see it? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'd say it's still there. What the fuck made you do that? I think the glass is a hide neck now, right? Yeah, but Why are you doing? I'm fucking covering up the nick You know you're saying to me

That I'm getting more comfortable You're getting You're going the opposite way by the way What do you mean? You're sort of shrinking into yourself You're putting your hat down You're moving your glasses Eventually you're just going to be like

You're going to form some sort You're getting to the fetal position By the end of this episode I'm Does the Nick can you What do you think when you see in the nick? What do I think when I see the neck I think must have had an accident

Yeah That's I mean I'm being I've been honest with you now I've told you this situation And now I'm regret it, I should have just said I'd nicked it out. Yeah. It was fine.

We all try stuff. Yeah. Here's a question for you. What would you do? Okay, this is, I am now, I was thinking of... Oh, God. I don't know if I can say this out loud. I'm actually, now my reaction is making it sound bigger than it is.

I was considering having highlights, put in my hair. I thought you were going to say a ponytail. No. Highlights? Yeah. So what... Okay, so can I just talk to you about my ongoing... Blondie?

No, just, I don't know Like a mousey brown I don't know I was sort of just dabbling with the idea But this is where I'm at right now in my life I just want to talk to you about this I want to get your take on it Okay, please

Yep It's bleak by the way So can I just say It's not lost on me That you are at the moment Talking about highlights You could have a ponytail Yeah

Like the furthest I could push the boat out Is nicking A line in my eyebrow But so what you know I felt like crazy for that. You know when I was growing my hair? Who's the woman in, sorry, in Greece? You're Sandy and who's her friend?

Fizzy or something like that. Who sort of hangs around with her? Fizzy? What's her name? Rizzo. Rizzo? That's who I feel like. You're Sandy and I'm Rizzo.

You're like, oh my God, I put on this black outfit. I felt absolutely beautiful. And I'm like, oh, I took a nick out of my eyebrow. You're all right, Beerswell. Like anybody's going to notice. Anyway, you're the first person that's noticed. Go on. Okay.

So I, um, I, uh, when I was growing my hair really long. Yeah. I was, I was really struggling with like, making it look. I mean, I'm really letting you be on the, this is sort of embarrassing. Yeah. I was really struggling with making it look passable as it's growing out, right? Yeah. So then.

You showed me a nice picture of you earlier. When? Just earlier when you had your long hair. I thought it was a nice picture. Okay. So anyway, I was trying to, um, sort it out. And then eventually I'd be careful. obsessed with, not obsessed, obsessed of exaggeration, but I was doing different things.

Like, I was trying different ways of shampoo my hair. I was trying different hair products. It started to become, I'm going to be honestly, I've not talked about this publicly. It starts to become a bit of a thing. Well, okay. Eventually, I've not said this, I started, I started following what I found on the internet, which is called the Curly Girl method. Okay.

What's the Curly Girl method? The Curly Girl method is like, you don't, shampoo every day you I think it's like a four or five day cycle you put the product in your hair you let it form a cast then you break the cast by crushing it so I was doing that for a bit right

nobody noticed why should they and then it got to a point I thought I'm a fucking 47 year old father of three and whenever I was doing this I can't spend this long getting it's not right that I'm spending this long so now I'm thinking

I want to do do something. So the problem, this is the thing, men of our age, right? You want to look good still, right? You want to look good. But you don't want it to look like you've tried to look good. Right? Like, yeah, taking a knick out

of your eyebrow. But what I'm saying is, I look at Theo, and obviously you know, he's 16, right? He can do whatever the fuck he wants, right? Because whatever adaptations or whatever concessions he makes to fashion or his hair or whatever, you'd go, and we've been those.

Yeah, of course, yeah. But he, because we're his parents, and he doesn't have the parents that I had, he is able to express himself how he wants. Like, whatever decision, like, you know, if he wants to get his ears pierce, that's fine. You know, whatever he wants to do with his hair is fine with us, right?

So I have, there's a bit of envy there at your kid, right? Yeah. For us, I think, if you look like you're doing too much, yeah. No matter how much it suits you, it looks a bit sad. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, I look at, yeah, I know,

I've got a couple of friends that I noticed recently on Instagram who have been overly doing a look. Right. And trying to look a lot younger. Yeah. And you kind of got, which is weird saying that because, you know, I think we all, I think now I notice, you know,

I make jest about being bald. But I am constantly like, you're like, how do you, because once you're bored, you're bored, there's nothing else you can do. with your hair. But you look great. Yeah, but do you know, I will tell you now, there's not a day that goes by that I don't just wish I had hair. Just one more run at that fucking horse.

It'd just be like, seriously, like, when you're talking about all you're different, the idea of going for a swim and just popping your head out of the pool and all you're just flicking your hair back. Christ, I used to love that. Well, I think you might be romanticising this a bit. Like, can I, I don't want to sort of burst your bubble. Yeah.

But you coming out of a pool with, long hair and flicking your hair out of your face, I don't think it'll look how you seem to be thinking it's going to look. I think you... Right? It looks like when you see a hippo, yorn. I think you might be romanticising it a bit. Yeah, but it's nice to romanticise.

But so going to your hair, right? Yeah, so the point I'm trying to make is, the reason I said about shaving it off and, like, cutting my hair short, is I started to think maybe I've now got to the age where you just got to go just look smart your days are fucking around with how you look are behind you now

do you know what I mean but you did the nails thing for a while I did and the only reason I'm not doing it in the moment is the play but even that I'm talking about that even that is that a bit mad at my age in your 20s that's cool to be doing shit like that but in your 40s like getting your nails done

I'm not talking about as a man generation yeah but that's the other thing generation can I say like I come from a background where every were, even, all joking aside, even when I was in my 20s, right, late teens, I used to joke, we wore a uniform.

Yeah. As ladsda went out, that if you stepped slightly away from the, the shirt, jeans, Patrick Cox wannabes, the same haircut almost, like, as soon as sort of basically someone broke away from curtains, long curtains and went for a French crop and a skinhead, everyone just did that. The idea of breaking against the fucking, you know,

a shot jacket in the winter, that's literally what all of it, you know, everyone was, And I did try it quite a lot to break away from that until I try and, you know, the leather trousers incident or whatever else, you know, I remember getting a fur jacket from an old market store in Camden, whatever. Like I tried different things and I got relentlessly bullied for that.

But I used to find it, you know, you know, but for the most part, I dressed like everyone else dressed. Now I would describe you as quite fearless. Yeah, no, but that's come through later age and that's come. But also, I probably had a bit more of a, you know, my life wasn't as necessarily. Just a world and the people I'd surrounded myself from most of my life, like, you know, from my core group of friends.

I did other things and I'd surround myself with people from hippies and people from different backgrounds. And I'd always look at people and think, oh, that's a cool thing to wear. I've got to say when it comes to clothes, the idea of dressing my age and going on and I'm going to dress like every other, like I had a lunch over there with Jamie Rednapp. He came out, he looks absolutely insane.

Why did you have lunch for Jamie Rednaut? I didn't see him for what he was in the area. I've not seen him for fucking ages. You saw him more recently me. He was on your podcast. He came in. For a fucking podcast. He was wearing the same thing actually

he wore on the podcast. Nice blue cardigan, white t-shirt, lovely boots, nice trousers. He looks so well turned out. And I thought that's, but that's not why. That's not, I feel comfortable dressing and stuff. Like you, I'd say, you've got a look now, where I look and go, but the minute you stop going to cut my hair short,

I'm going to conventionally grow my beard. So it's not too long. And it's great that you're 47, 48, and you're not scared to do different things and try different things. I think it's a bit. I don't think it could be argued that it's a bit. But why? Those times are behind us. You and I, you and I.

Billy Connolly. Next year, look at Billy. Next year, you and I should wear suits for this. I'll wear a suit for one. Okay, I'll wear a suit for one. Billy Connolly, Robin Williams. Richard Pryor wasn't, like, you didn't see Richard Pryor walking, like, all of a sudden just dressing like, you know, oh shit, I'm 40. I better just stick on my fucking zip up top.

It's like, push it, man. You're an entertainer. By the way, you're in the theatre land now. Don't start this. You're doing as... I'm not. That's, mate, that's where you are in your life. We should go, we should go.

We should go further that way then maybe. Yeah. I'd push it more. Yeah. What we should do is we should go shopping together and buy each other the outfit we should think the other one should wear. This is another attempt at you to try and get a Robin Romish format away with you and me. I'm not in terms of doing.

Look, can I just say, when I dressed you for King Gowry, you hated those clothes. That is what you're talking about wearing now. Not quite. I mean, oh, God. It's not far. That's the whole point of that character. So as much as you hated it was you're one of the most stylish people I know.

You always dress well. The point of putting you in those clothes was that is the last thing I could ever imagine you wearing. Yeah. No, but that's, Tom, let's not pretend it was some sort of noble experiment. It was bullying. It was bullying. I've said it every time. It is bullying.

It's not bullying. It was bullying. I could hear you laughing outside the trailer. Because it was funny. But the character, that was what the character was, right? Okay. I actually think in the scope of things, I'm then in really tight clothes. I mean, when I look at those pictures of me as King Gowry,

that is, I mean, it's what, again, the character was. Most of the budget went on you all clothes. Didn't that? It's actually Laura's clothes were actually. Well, I mean, you didn't wear a single thing that didn't have a fucking label. You actually got gifted quite a few things. Did you?

Yeah, I imagine you got gifted all of Stuart Williams' stuff. Nobody's paying for that. Blue ink didn't get gifted anything. Some of the most... I think at one point they said, we've got a bit of a treat for you. You've got a couple of fat-faced bits. A wedding episodes.

When you all get dressed up. Yeah, but I think how you dress... I think... By the way, I saw you never done radio too. The look was fucking sick. The tie look. Yeah. That was just because it was going on on date with Ashton.

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Yeah, maybe I'll get them. Do you know what? I might get them. You might have inspired me to get them. I'd fucking do. So hold up. When you say highlights, but. I don't say highlights.

Nobody says highlights. When you say highlights, what are you talking about? What colour? I don't know, like a sort of, uh... Like tips? No, not frosted tips. You know, like a little, a little kind of bit of... I don't know, like a light colour, maybe?

I think do it. Yeah? All right, I'm going to do it. It's like that old thing that Denzo Washington says, like, you don't want to do it. to be on your deathbed surrounded by all your regrets. Yeah, but I don't want to even want

on a deathbed with some really shit highlights either. If Jonathan's doing them, they will be beautiful. So Charlie, this story is about Charlie, but not to do with that. Charlie, is in the West End now.

My God. He's one of the cast of Oliver. This is incredible. He's got the part, one of Fagan's gang. And yesterday, I got to watch him for the first time. Oh, my God.

Because I couldn't do it because I couldn't go on his first night because of my play. So I went to watch him and we got up in the morning. He was buzzing for me to go and see him because Lisa had seen him. Lisa went every show. Wow. So then I got ready. We were having a chat about it. Get at the train up there.

He's just chatting like he's not about to do his fourth ever performance on the West End. Just totally chill. Messy play as well. Totally chill. Can I say Oliver is a stalwart of the wall of the world. That show, and Simon Lipkin, by the way, as Fagin, unbelievable. Fagan's a dream part, right? Yeah.

And in fact, the whole cast were incredible. They're really good. Did you go and meet them afterwards? No, I'm not like, I'm not going to do that. Why? You're a West Ender? Well, I didn't do it, okay. Anyway, so.

Do you take Charlie for food after? We had a bit of a falling out about this, actually. Oh, God. I tell you about that. You wanted to go to Mildred's. No, I didn't, I wouldn't take, I wouldn't do that to him. Okay. Not that there's anything wrong, Milgers.

I love Milgris. Great food. But not Charlie's bag. No. Is how I would describe Miljuries. He's quite adventurous that we eat at though, Charlie. He is, but... We were talking about him on the trip.

There has to be mate. Yeah. Anyway. I love that about him. So we get there. Yeah. I'm astounded by the complete lack of nerves in this kid, right? And I actually thought to myself,

how is he doing this? Do you know what I mean? That was the thing that's, like, the performance, whatever. How is his kid so chilled going into this thing? Honestly, mate, it was like Oliver was one of a number of things he's looking forward to doing that day. It was crazy. The anxiety even... Nothing.

Because I'd have been nervous. Grace's got two lines in a little place she's doing at her little drama workshop. It's not about your kid, mate. No, no, no, but my point, I'm already having anxiety about those two lines. I felt anxious. I'm on the way there. In the train, I'm starting to feel a bit funny. Yeah.

I'm starting to feel like... Did his coolness, though, rub off on you? did his complete lack of... It made me feel like actually weird is this weird thing where the parent is supposed to reassure the kid. The kid's reassuring the parent about his performance. He's going, it's just fun.

It's just fun. I love doing it. Wow. So I'm like, okay. So we go to do it. We go to the thing. I go into theatre, sit down, watch him be great.

And everybody was great, actually. The whole thing was wicked. Sitting there, a little kind of burning, emotionally, you know, you start to feel a bit like. And then you start to feel a bit like. And then you start to think, you know, am I being, am I being, like a couple of people ask for photos in the audience.

Yeah. Tom, I'm going to tell you this. I said this to Lisa, because she'd gone to the toilet. I'll sat my own and then a couple of people. By the way, that's, that's a staple of what people do. What? As soon as Catherine or Lisa, yeah, yeah, yeah, move away. Yeah, so Lisa had gone.

So a couple of people came and said, can have a photo, I had a door chat or whatever. I didn't say it to them. I was looking for an inn to say my son. in this. And then I thought, oh my God, I recognise a bit of me that's like this sort of sad, proud parent. No, no, no, no, no, no, but it's a bit bragy, isn't it? No, it's not, your son's in the play. I know, but it's a bit like, you need to own that stuff.

No, but I think, I do think it's a bit ick. I do actually, you can't convince me that it's not ick. Because it's a lot of circumstance and good fortune and stuff. And obviously he's worked hard and he's really good. But I don't like, it's just showing off, isn't it? But it's not showing if you're proud of your son. I am proud, but I think you can express that prior, that, that to your family.

I don't know if you have to go and say it to other people. But my point is... You don't have to say it on your podcast, for example. But my point is, he's nailing it, he's smashing it. You're literally sitting there watching and do this incredible thing. By the way, let's not fucking, like, get great... Like, it's a big deal. Oh, yeah.

At his age, getting a part in a West End show. That's mad. It is good. That's such a big thing, right? It doesn't... And this is the other... Like, just because... The icky thing that your feet may be feeling

and whatever is the fact that you might think, oh, they'll go, well, yeah, that's what you're feeling. I sure people all think that. Yeah, no, but it's not. I can tell you now, it's, so what you should, what you need to do is own that moment and go, well, you know, because that is, those are moments. They're the things that we're all, as parents, as, as,

whatever siblings are going, wow, that's an incredible thing. You're sitting there watching him, absolutely nail it. And if people come over and they, You've not walked over to them and said, oh, my boy's in this. No. Like, if they're coming over.

I would have done if I could. No, but then you'd let that out. Yeah, well, I didn't anyway. So I kept it to myself. It was a good secret. And then we left, and then Charlie, this is bad. It's not that bad, actually.

Charlie wanted to go to Dave's Hot Chicken and we didn't go. Why didn't you want to go? Because it was raining. We'd sort of gone the other way, and it meant a double back to go to Dave's Hot Chicken and we were going to the train station, so we're just like, I can't be bothered.

So we end up getting KFC when we got back. You know what you should do tonight? What? Taking some Dave's hot chicken. You think so? Does it travel? Yeah. I mean, it's a good one.

I mean, I'm an hour and a half away from my house. Okay. And also you've got the play tonight. Yeah, and also I get back at midnight. But apart from that, it's really gets them back from the aura thing. Yeah. Hey, sleeping. Hello, mate.

Hello, mate. Wake up? At six o'clock, I got you some Dave's hot chicken. It's been in my dressing room at the play. You know, I got you some ice cold chicken. How, so he's, so he's sharing his dressing room with the other, by the way, I always have so much respect for the chorus. So he's like, so he's in all the songs.

Pardon? He's in all the Fagans and a boy's songs. Yeah. I always have so much that that's the stuff that I always think you've got to be so bang on, right? Yeah, all of the kids are sharing the dressing apart from Charlie, one of the adult cast has asked to share with him solo. I think it's fine. I feel sucks.

The guy, the guy, Bill Sikes insisted he's seen the nice guy I don't really mean he was drinking at the bar and he said they might extend his contract that's an incredible thing

so then we got back and I'm going to tell you I've talked about this on the Romer Shrang and Nathan show I'll talk to you about it now yeah and it might be something you might want to do with Grace Ridges Elder yeah

I'm now a Dungeons and Dragons player what what oh my God what playing it playing it with the family like hold up playing it the board game

yeah I mean yeah the board game yeah the tabletop RPG wow yeah I've always been fascinated by it I

I'm how far away do you think you are from like cosplay or sort of all those I don't know it depends if at least it replies to this text but

you have the box and then you got like the set-ups and you can make it up and stuff like that yeah anyway it's I'm going to say this now man When I first talked about it on the other podcast I do that you don't watch.

Yeah, I do watch actually. I think it's fascinating. I was slightly like a bit like I was nervous to admit it because it's like the first time I played. It's sick. You should own it. I am in, man. Dungeons & Dragons is fire, man.

I love it. Can I just say, yeah, my brother-in-law and my nephew both play? Right. It's amazing. It's incredible. Are you painting the figures yet? No, we're not got to that stage. That's the bit I think you're already going to get a kick out of.

You think so? You're a creative guy. I'm not creative like that mate nobody's gone oh you seem to have you seen his have you seen his tall show he sounds like exactly he looks like exactly a kind of guy that could paint an ork what the fuck you're on about

mate you're a perfectionist when it comes to stuff I can imagine you your little paintbrush painting away on a Sunday afternoon I do love those videos anyway the point is I'm in and I want to take this opportunity to formally apologise for any reluctance I showed about Dunders and Dragons when I first mentioned Who brought it into the house?

I did So basically Taylor Utley Who's on the woman in mind with me He plays it right And obviously on Strangery Things Always talking about it And I was looking for

Something to do with the kids And I just thought This feels like it's perfect So we had to go at it And before we knew it We'd spent two hours playing this game Wow And now the kids are asking to play again

It's amazing So hold it but you can build other You can do like We've got the starter pack I paid like 40 quid or something and you get like three start-set-ups. Right. But then you can,

but there's a lot of it you can just fuck around and invent your own stuff. You add stuff to it. Yeah, I mean I've never actually played it. I've only ever been the dungeon master. What? Hold up. So when you play with the boys,

were you the dungeon master? Yeah. So that means I'm running the game. Yeah. But then do you have little figures of your own that are in the game? Yeah, they had figures, yeah. You don't have them?

No. So what are you doing then? I'm taking him through the game. Okay. So it'd be like, we can do it now if you want. Do you play a bit now? Yeah, I'd love to. Okay, so what do you want your character to be?

An Elgin. Okay, why don't you say words that you know? I've heard Elgin somewhere. Yeah, okay, what is it? You could be like a wizard or a fighter. What was Lando Bloom in? Elf. An elf, okay.

He wasn't an Elgin. Yeah, I'll be an elf, like, prince who's sort of, you know. And what are your skills like? magic or fighting. Oh, fighting. Okay. All right, so I'm just freestyling this now, so I'm not really good.

Okay, so you walk into some woods? Yep. There's a goblin in front of you. Oh, shit. He's dressed in battle armour. He's got a sword on his back. Yeah.

He hasn't noticed you initially. Yeah. This is sick. What do you mean? I'm excited by this. I'm actually trembling with excitement. What do you do? Well,

It sounds like he's probably sort of quite aggressive. You can talk to him if you want. I'll actually talk to him. Okay, what do you want to say? Hey man, how are you? Just having a stroll through the woods. Okay, can you speak goblin language?

Oh, no. So at that point, well, we don't know. Okay, all right. So what I'd say is if you roll a... I'd just go, hello. Okay. Hello? I mean no harm.

I am a elf warrior who's in the woods I can see you're in the woods what is your name It sounds a bit like Renee from our lower line Ian Hmm? Ian Ian

Ian Hello Ian For what reason are you walking through these woods It's a shortcut to the castle That I'm going to see my friends at Well you'll have to take a different path Why?

Because I am resting here Well yeah I mean you'll have to sit down mate I'm just going to scurry on through I'll be gone before you know it. Find a different path. What's your name, sorry? My name is hch.

What, can I just say that you don't own the woods? Like, I think it's a bit obnoxious, if I'm honest with you, that you won't just let me pass. I've actually, I had options. I could have attacked you, I could have been confrontation,

I could have grappled you. I chose to speak and talk just to be diplomatic. If you chose to grapple me, you would be dead. Oh. God. All right, you fancy yourself.

You're starting to aggravate the goblin now. What do you want to do? Shoot him in the head with my bow. Shoot him in the head with your bow. So at this point, yeah. I would get you to roll a dice. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. And then if you got 15 or above, we'd say that the bow enters the guy's head or not. So we're going to roll a dice now. 13. Okay. So you try and shoot him in the head.

It fails. You've now aggravated him. What do you do now? he's going to attack you I basically go sorry about that sorry yeah you well me up

you just avoided clinging me I'm so sorry I basically just why should I not kill you he draws his sword oh god

what are you going to do now escape run as far I outrun a troll well you're facing a goblin so the same thing though no

okay well goblins are slower than trolls They're not. Goblins are quicker than trolls. Okay, yeah, but they're not as quick as an elf who's having it on his toes. I've only got a little bow on my back. He's got a big sword and a shield. Okay, the goblin has been at war now. All right, so he's probably a bit tired as well. Okay.

So I'd probably then just turn around and go, fuck off, mate, and then just sprint out. Okay, so you try to run away. We're going to roll the dice. The goblin is one of the best goblin soldiers, so he's pretty quick. So if you roll a 17 or above, you get away. You're fucking off. You're nuts.

He's a fast cop. That's how the odds work. He's a fast goblin. He is a hell versus a goblin. He is a quick goblin. He's one of the top warriors. You should have known that. Okay.

You fucking stuck your finger up now and tried to run away. Let's throw all the dice. One, you're fucked. Oh, mate. So the goblin catches you. He throws you to the ground. He's got his sword to your neck. Why should I not kill you?

I'll be your wife. Okay. If you get a 10 or above, the goblin fucks you. Eight. So the goblin kills me What we don't know I will release you If you can answer this riddle

Oh god, I hate riddles Can't I just come to your house and do some chores No Are you ready? Yeah I have no voice But I can make a sound I have no feet

But I can move around I am born in the dark And I leave with a dash I have no hands But clear a room in a flash I'm invisible to the eye but known to the nose. Everyone has me, but nobody shows.

What am I? A bat? A bat? Sorry, which bat is invisible to the eye? Oh, a shadow. It's not a shadow. I'm invisible to the eye, but known to the nose. When have you last smelt a shadow?

A fart. It's a fart. Wow. Well done. The goblin releases and you can continue, generally. That's sort of like a little bit of a bit. Wow, man, that's sick.

I think we should do. You know what we should do? I'd actually love to do is spart. specials of this where we get aboard and we play a game. I would not mind. I'd love to get some... In fact, if there's any Dungeons and Dragons experts that can help us design a little game... Yeah. Should we do a little D&D?

Tommy is like one of the country's best D&Ds. Okay. We should D&D then, shouldn't we? We should go to... Have you seen the place in Nottingham? No. No. They've got it like his headquarters. It's fucking sick. It's one of the biggest ones in. Okay. Should we do it? I'm back...

Wolf Alpod at gmail.com, please. Get in touch. If you play Dungeons and Dragons, you want to get involved. Let's do it. Oh my God. I'm genuinely fucking buzzes. Right? Yeah, that was a shit. I mean, you're... Can I say, by the way, yeah.

Yeah. That you were an incredible dungeon master. No, but normally you have more rules and you've got a bit more of a set up and you design what the thing's going to be. Yeah. We're just fucking around there. I think it's about that time, Tommy D.

Okay. We've played some D&D. We've told our little anecdotes. Could you please take us out? Hey, do you remember the first time that you tried a new soup or some new crisps? Breaking boundaries. doing new things.

Sometimes that can be scary, but sometimes just knocking off the crust of your everyday life and going, that feels nice, is all the growing you need? What am I asking you? To climb Everest tomorrow? No friend. That would be insane without any kind of training. What I'm saying to you is,

like Ramesh with Dungeons and Dragons, or me with Dungeons and Dragons, trying something new and expressing yourself in a different way can make you feel like in your own. person, you might not need to change everything, but it's growing a little bit like this much could mean a whole new you is the tide running in to the sand that makes you free. Thanks so much, Tom. That was, it is definitely you speaking out loud.

Thank you so much for listening and watching to The Wolf for now. Wolfoutapod at GMO.com if you've got any emails for us. We'll be back with a bonus episode. See you then. Peace.