Wolf and Owl - Manscaping, Country Music & Dinner Invites

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

What are the Wolf & Owl's top tips for manscaping? On this week’s Wolf & Owl, Tom and Romesh get into the important stuff: feet, showers, skincare and exactly how you're supposed to wash your arse. Tom reveals his emotional story behind getting his first ever pedicure at 46, while Romesh introduces Tom to his new Korean skincare routine. Elsewhere, Tom tells us about his date night as a Luke Combs concert, including an awkward social encounter, before declaring himself a fully-fledged country music fan. Plus, there’s a discussion about dinner parties, biscuit bingeing and another unforgettable Tom Davis story to finish. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:25 Toenails and pedicures 15:37 A debate on washing 20:05 Korean skincare 21:36 Beard scaping 23:01 Luke Combs, cowboys and date night 24:47 Tom’s socially awkward situation 32:18 Country Music 39:17 Rom wasn't invited to Tom’s lunch 40:34 Biscuit bingeing 42:30 Tom’s Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oh my gosh. Welcome. It is about that time. Welcome. About that time. Welcome. About that time. Welcome.

About that time. Wolf and now, baby. Yes. With Tom Davis. Rommas, Ranganaathan. And we are here. We've actually, today, fun thing, we've actually planned everything we're going to say. It's scripted today.

All scripted. Well, we're scripted because there's a slight change in the engine room. I didn't want to really bring this up. John is doing he's working on only fan stuff isn't he yeah so John John's had a big uplift in his social media profiles he's doing if anybody is interested look up on only fans John footstuff also it's just a lot of him I would say if you're into toes and spreads yeah you are going to have a great time he's got apparently the sexiest foruka yeah and there's a lot of him eating onions and different things like smelly there's a thing where he's a thing where he

only using two of the toes on his right foot he makes a sandwich and I think people are going to be really into it. He's got perfectly manicured toenails by the way. Yeah, pedicured. Yeah, what do you want?

Beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws whatever's prefer. Just kidding, every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. You went for a pedicure the other day, didn't you? Beautiful. Tell me about it.

Do you know my toenails have grown back quick? though from it. It's like, I don't know what's happened, but yeah. First of all, I don't think that's true. No, I swear I have. Now, you know, what's the dinosaur with the, first job? Yeah, can you Google what's the dinosaur with that?

No, no, the toenails, long toenails. The velociraptor? Is it Velociraptor? Well, in Jurassic Park, it does that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've come back like that. And I'm now having to, at some point, go and get another, I'm not cutting them, I could never cut them myself again.

My dad had such horrible, horrible toenails that he never cut. I honestly believe he could have scaled a cliff face. Like, it was horrific. Didn't they not get painful? I don't know, but, like, I don't know if it's a generation. I don't know, like, his feet were horrendous. Like, genuinely. Why not pretty feet?

Like, you could hear him. Like, it's like hearing heels come across the kitchen floor. His toenails clacking. Yeah, it was so bad. They're horrible. I've got to say, I think a pedic. is that they were, it's a really enjoyable. Also, I don't know, you still do the magnesium butter on your feet.

Occasionally. Yeah, I've been doing it quite a lot. And I don't know if it seems to be having like paint stripper on the soles of my feet. Right. I don't know if I'm putting on too much. I've got a cheaper brand of magnesium butter. Yeah. But I've getting a lot of excess skin.

I'm just having to sort of scrape off. Have you, have you tried sanding your feet? That's what I mean. That's what you get done at the pedicure. Yeah. So you influenced me. Yeah. Did you have one?

So I booked in to get a pedicule. Nice. And then we were getting something delivered and Lisa had to go out. And we had to take the delivery. And Lisa, it was not anyone's fault. Yeah. He says, as if he believes it's Lisa's fault. Lisa sprung it on me a little bit.

Although she told me that she told me the day before. Yeah. That she was going to be out. So I then, we had a four-hour window for this thing to arrive. And I thought it could happen while I'm out. So I phoned up the place and I said, I've got a cancer. on my pedicure. They're so nice. I went, oh, bless you. What's

happened? Really? Yeah. That's sweet. I know, really sweet. I said I've had a bit of an emergency. So I'm going to, so I've rescheduled. I'm going in two weeks' time. Anyway, Tom, you would not believe it. Bloody my luck. Put the phone down.

They sent me a specified time. I could have gone. Oh, why can you call them straight back? It was like 15 minutes later. By then, by then, I should have been on my way by then, do you know what? Yeah, but no, but they'd have worked around you. I don't want to make people work around me. Some of the most, most understanding people in the business.

You've had one pedicure. Yeah. And you're able to, this is, can I tell you something? I didn't even book. I walked into the pedicurist and said, I haven't booked. Right. And they went, don't worry, we've got our best person on it today. I think if you can walk in and they say their best person is free,

you take your little trotters and you walk out again. Really? That for me is a red flag. I'm going to say at the end of it. You've got this thing where you think if people are available, that's a good sign. Of course it is a good. No, I went in and look, there's this part of me that does agree with you. There's also a part of when this lady started going to work, I was like, by gosh, she knows what she's doing.

Well, you've never had a pedicule before. No. So you don't know. And if I'm honest with my toenails of going back in quite an unsightly way. And there's been a lot of dead skin on my, you know, like the surf of the sea where it leaves. that sort of scaly sort of stuff. That's what my feet have become like. I mean, if you want to see what this looks like,

head over to John Zoni fans. So what did they do? Because when I said to Lisa, I've booked a pedicure and she said why. She didn't say why in that way. She said it in like, oh, well, how come? I said, because Tom got one. And now he's influenced me, and I want to get one. And she said to me, once you get one, you'll never stop.

That's how I've got to get one on Tuesday. Well, you can't stop, can you? your feet are decaying. Yeah, my feet are, yeah. They are decaying. Your feet look like. You found them in some sort of Egyptian tomb. There's so many different.

Obviously, the nail cutting is beautiful, right? But they also get rid of a lot of the sort of like fungal nail stuff as well. What are you talking about? No, you know, like, what's that bit of cool, like this is it? Like the quill or something, right? Cuticle. Cuticle, yeah. Right.

The thing, they get rid of all your nails, they sort that out. Yeah, sure. Let's get back to, I don't. Why things happened is you've said fungal I've asked a full art question your ass has gone and now you're talking about cuticles

So what is the fungal thing That you're talking about When I worked on building sites and stuff And some of t-shirts I was doing a lot of work outdoors In very very tough conditions Right So my feet took a bathroom for many a year

How long have you been doing comedy for Well that's a lot of standing But I've never had a pedicure before Right So my toes with toenails slightly were a little bit so if people are starting to get emotional by this

story of hardship I just want to say obviously guys we should probably put trigger warning anybody that hasn't had a pedicure you're going to find this quite triggering Tom sadly and it's really good to hear you open up about this you've not had a pedicure

this whole time can we in the edit maybe put some sort of that somber music like you know let's do it okay let's do it like this let's do it like our favourite Swat. So, I'm the CEO. So,

look, Tom, thank you. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Look, this isn't something I've heard you talk about before.

I've never, I don't know never opened up about this before. But I had a little chat with you before and you said you're okay to talk about this.

And I actually think people will find this quite helpful. I think I have to talk about this now. I think I've held back and it's the one thing that I've never really

opened up about. So, so before we get into the actual nub of it, if you like, tell me a bit about the background into it.

You worked on the sites, building sites, and also sold first of all. And what was that like, just to give us an idea? Because I guess people, some people don't realise I just think building sites is a building site. But what was that doing to? Building sites are a building site. And what was that doing to your feet? Just clearly, though, just there is. Building sites are building sites.

Yeah, sure. So just so you know that. I don't want you getting confused. No, well, that's why it's good to have an expert. So it's tough, all conditions. Sometimes it rained. Sometimes obviously it snowed. And then you had that heat, man.

all the time you know you had to wear shoes you couldn't go barefoot on a building site no so a lot of sweating and she's sweating on the feet um in the oh my god when the rain came in sometimes your trainers would get wet um did your feet ever get sweaty when you were cat-calling women as they walked past uh no that's mainly my groin um that will get quite sweaty then um if i'm honestly how often on the sites were you nursing a boner um it depends who i was working with um if it was a guy called gary ellis um i'd quite often be around I often just worked in a quite tight pair of old 1989 Arsenal shorts and he had a six-pack

and sort of quite a strong shoulder with very strong shoulders. Gary actually texts the podcast and he said, and I just wanted to put this to you, he quoted you directly as one day saying to him after you finished on those doors, why don't you get to work on my back doors? Is that true? Can you confirm what to know?

Yeah, we were never carpenters. I don't know what you think we were making with doors. Well, I guess it's asking him to fuck you. Yeah, yeah. Is what I'm getting. I was very sort of suggested in the way that I... Ground zero for this. Yeah, I'd always be quite sort of, yeah,

I'd like to sort of like, you know, a bit of wordplay before we get out with sort of like rough guys. Sure. So you worked on... But that's not why I'm here to talk about. No, you worked on the sites and your feet took a battering, didn't they? Yeah, my feet. And then I worked selling T-shirts, festivals,

feet took a battering there as well. My feet had been, you know. Did you not have a chair when you were selling the table? You can't sell things sitting down. Well, I'm assuming that people aren't. You've obviously never sold anything in your life. Well, I've sold the idea of a podcast where I'm carrying somebody to a production company. So I have sold stuff.

Apart from sunglasses, but you, but what I'm saying is you, at the times where you didn't have customers, what would you do? You'd be looking for customers. that's something about sales you'd be out the front of the stall hey how you're doing how you're doing the grind never stops the hustle right never ends so if I was a customer how would it

if I was just wandering around the festival hey hey you need yourself a new t-shirt you silly wally what do you mean by that sorry I've gone too hard yeah got excited right um hey hey hello mate did you enjoy killer killers I'm just on my way to you know you definitely watch the killers

yes I did yeah do you enjoy them yeah they're great well Mr Brightside Can I get you a t-shirt or a jumper? I was wondering why you... That weather's changing, huh? Gosh. Yeah, I was going by a t-shirt if it was cold.

I understand if that would work on somebody who was topless, yeah. I'd get that as a sales technique. Anyway, so you worked on the t-shirts. You stood up the whole time. You're going up to people going, oh, it looks cold. Obviously, then, you know, I was doing that and then got into stand-up comedy, which is also all standing up. so

yes it's a lot of standing and would you not sit down backstage? Never, no no, I'm always pacing so my feet over the years

have taken a real real pound What size foot are you? 12 right, so that's a lot of surface area yeah, yeah,

not as much if I was 13 or 14 but no more if I was 10 or 11 absolutely yeah yeah

that's good sometimes I think a lot of podcasts forget to reiterate how numbers work so it's good to get that and would you

in your days on the building sites or selling t-shirts of doing your stand-up comedy would you moisturise it what was your foot care regime? My feet are the one part of my body I've never paid any due diligence to it.

There's just been an afterthought for honest with your relationship and looking at it now that just makes me quite ashamed and also feel quite selfish about my feet because I look at it now and these guys have been carrying me for, well, until I'm at you really.

They've continued to do that haven't they, I assume? Well yeah, no, but now I can sort of lean on you quite a little more. Yes, absolutely. So thank you. I've actually got to go somewhere about my spinal issues from all the carrying.

So, yeah. And I'd say this, three weeks ago I made a big life choice. I decided to put my first pedicure. And it was then I realized. Not your first one of the month, I'm assuming. No, my first one at the month. I've never done a pedicule.

You've never had a pedicule before. And, um, Do you want a moment? No, no, I need to get this out. I need to get us out. And then it was then it dawned on me what I put my feet through over the last 46 years. Yeah. Just take your time, take your time.

Yeah, it dawned at me then what I put my feet through for the last 46 years. And I don't think you can look at any part of your body as being less than the sum of its parts. No, I don't think I even understand what that means. What do you mean by that? That your feet aren't any less important. You're going to go to your eyes off to your nose? Then your eyes or your nose. Yeah.

Your ears. Right. You know, we look at those things all the time because obviously mirrors are usually face. You know, you look at your face and there you're sort of top. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. They're the things that you look at the most. Yeah.

And then you go, okay, you know, I don't know. It's difficult to look at, you know, foot mirrors are quite. Unless you go to a shoe shop. Yeah. And then you've got shoes on. Seldom, do you take off your shoes and socks and go, sorry. Could have a quick look. Yeah.

It's unlike. So, yeah. And I think actually it's a metaphor for life. We don't look down enough. We just look forward and up and side. And, you know, we don't look down and go. When did you last thank your feet? When did last thank my feet?

Yeah. I don't think I've ever thanked my feet. Then the joke's on you. What joke? So do you? you thank your feet yeah no i'd love to see you do it okay um Robert Martin thank you both um for getting me here today for walking um for um always being there thank you for let me allow me to wiggle my toes um with glee but also when times are tough for pushing the so my feet down and going

i've got this really nice i put a lot of weight on my feet literally so yeah yeah very very moving I would say better than most of your closing thoughts. So you had your first pedicure. Yeah. And how was it? How was it? Was it good? It was amazing.

The woman who did it was just a foot expert. Right. And she just looked at them at first and she went, oh. Okay. No, she didn't do that. No, she did look at them and she was like, okay. How bad were they? They were, yeah.

And did you prep them before you went to get a pedicure? No, that's half the, that's the, can I say, by the way, if you turn up and you prep your feet you're taking all the joy away from that person well you're not taking the joy away that's like pumping up you're going to the garage and doing your wheels on your car and making sure all your oils

oh yeah by the way the car's nearly done just you know you've got where are you going I'm just going to go to the hairdressers no it's not the same thing at all of course it is no it isn't what prep are you going to do before you but what I'm saying is if like your feet

stink or whatever you're taking a bit of extra care to wash them by the way do you wash your feet every day Yeah. Good. Good. I know that you're about to, by the way, you're about to go in two-footed on me there when you thought I didn't. No, no.

Do you know that 80% of people don't wash their legs? But why? Because it's runoff. What do you mean? Yeah, because it runs down. Yeah. Yeah. But you have to wash them.

Like, washing your legs is as important as washing your ass. Well, not as important. But yeah, your ass is the one thing to really wash. But I wouldn't say it's the one thing to really wash. No, but if you could wash one bar of your body, what would it be? I think I'd probably wash my ass more than I wash any other part of my body Yeah, of course. Yeah.

That's the bit. By the way, ass first or last, would you have in a shower? Ass first or last? Yeah. I go first. What? Yeah. Then you've got ass hands for the rest of year.

Well, there is running water in my shower. I don't know how yours is operating. I'm not just going to one bucket and repeatedly using that water. No. But still, it's an insane choice to get in there and give your ass a good scrub and then go through your hair. I don't think it's insane. mate it's a bit i'd say that's a last bit and then you really really go to work on it don't me i wouldn't say yeah what i'd like to do is finish really washing my ass and then go and

hug my child what like if you it's not you've not got the fucking like you're not got the lurgy you what you can wash you're in a shower man you're in a shower but to go in and put your ass first i'd say your ass is the bit the needs the most fucking work done to it right can i be honest with you, can I be honest with you, you're giving away a lot about your lifestyle in the way that you're talking right now. You're making out like you've got, it's a fucking

heavy duty job every time you go to the shower. It's not a heavy duty job. But you're talking about, oh well, you know, what I like to do is like to have a shower, wash everything else, then I go away, have a break, have a high protein meal, get myself ready, free deep rest and then I'm going to my crap. You're not going to fucking jump in the sewage

before you get in a swimming pool. Where is there any sewage? Your ass is your sewage pipe Do you not wipe your ass? I'm not going to wipe your ass So what are you talking about? But I'm not going to wash my ass And then go and give my face a good wash

I go literally down Okay I start on my top of my head Get that all nice and wash my face I get it, I get it Please do not go through the geography Of your body top to toe Please

You start at the top Yeah And then I'll go front to back When it gets to the genitalia Yeah Right Right And then I'm down through legs and feet

Okay But also by the way Feetwise Are you lifting every foot off the floor giving it a good scrub every foot yeah every single foot every single foot because I know there's some people I've watched right you've watched in the shower yeah

all you just look at when you're in a gym we just do a little like that yeah I'm saying about getting your feet up and getting between the toes what's going on with you? I'm just saying I've never seen you in the shower no I've never seen you in the shower for all I know this could be just a fabrication no it's not this one thing I would never lie about that's my shower technique and I'd film it quite happening should tend to you i'd love that would you do you ever use a flannel uh

or like a luther or a scrubber oh my god a luther i love one of the end of a stick oh that's the best isn't it yeah really get your back nice yeah that's a job not every day i won't again i'll be honest no i think you have to say that special occasions yeah yeah yeah yeah why would you not use a luther every day because if i'm honest with you i'll i'll absolutely smash using a lufa for a week and then go that Luther's disgusting now and then I've got to buy another one sometimes I forget to put it on the shopperist. Especially if you're going to work on your asshole you're like to say to me. You don't leave for your asshole. No, I don't. I don't know what you do. It wouldn't surprise me at this stage if you tell me it gets inside you. Do you exfoliate

often? How often we exfoliate in the body of the rang and athon? I don't think I ever exfoliate. You never exfoliate? Well, I don't know what you mean by exfoliate. Well, you get an exfoliate and you're a bit on your skin. Like a cream? Do you mean with the little bits of it? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. don't really do that. Mate, that's the way. I do it for my face, but not anywhere else really. Get your whole body done. Not obviously your front,

your front, your, and stuff, but... My front willie? No, you're witty. It's okay to exfoliate your back, Willy, isn't it? Don't do your penis.

Don't exhaliate your penis. And be careful around your ass. Don't go too crazy around your ass. So you do exhalate your ass? And will you go into the valley as well? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the bit you want the cleanest

of your whole water. No, I get that, but I'm talking about exvaliation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you want it smooth? Nice and smooth. I don't want it, you want it smooth. Do you want it smooth? Yeah, yeah, it's nice, yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't do that really. Yeah. This is an adverse moment from Better Help. Now, anyone who listens to this show regularly knows that mental health comes up a lot and that's not accidental. Something we both think matters. And every time it does come up, we get messages from people saying it helped them feel less alone with something they were going through. Which tells you that a lot of people are carrying

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BetterHelp can help you take the first step. Sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com slash Wolf Owl. That's BetterH-E-L-P dot com slash Wolfow. I have started to get into Korean skincare. What is Korean skincare? It's skincare from Korea. I mean, the clue's in the name. No, no, no, but what is it?

What's the difference? Like little cleansing pads and like different types of moisturised and little bits of, you know, de-aging things and stuff like that. How much time have you got to be doing this in the morning? Not a lot of time. It takes me about five minutes. It adds five minutes to my daily routine. You're looking good for it, I've got to say.

Skin that's nice. Somebody we know has gone to an actual, I don't think we should name them, but somebody we know has gone to an actual skin expert. and they are looking Oh, I know the person Yeah, they are looking He was showing off about this recently Well, I wasn't showing off

But he looks incredible He's gone to a specialist He had quite grey sort of skin Yeah And now he didn't, I didn't think he had grey skin Yeah, no, but he had that sort of grey sort of like I mean he might have talked about this publicly So we might be being coy about it

Because the number of times I've tried to protect somebody And then it turns out they're just talking about it openly Yeah, yeah But this person by the way looks Like they'd sort of been working like in a science lab Yeah, so basically what they do is You go into this thing and then they analyse your skin.

Yeah. And then they give you like a series of treatments to, and he looks unbelievable. He looks so young. Should we get it done? Yeah, I'd love that. I mean, I try to. I mean, you've got great skin, actually.

I try to use stuff on my skin. I've got my nose feels a bit tender today. A stress. My nose, all my stress goes to my nose. In what way? How does that manifest? I'll just get like a sore nose when I'm stressed. Okay.

So you're quite stressed at the moment, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I had, um, so one of the, the things, do you brush your beard? Yeah, brush it and try and use a nice oil in it. So, it felt bad now because I haven't done it this morning. To be fair, I got so much weird messages after the state of my beard was brought into

question a few episodes ago. Oh, but that was only because you're growing it for the... Yeah, yeah, I've cut it back now. Yeah, it looks good. I look good before. I wish I'd shaped it more from where it was, but I, I've been cut my own beard. I quite like it. I quite like the sort of process of it.

And now I feel like... Can I just say something? What? you've been cutting your own beard again you've made it sound like a hardship it's a pedicule all over again most people do their own beards yeah I know but I've

I've had disasters cutting my own beard do you remember when I went too far down there yeah and look like you look like you remember colour me bad ooh ooh so I've been

scarred by that I've got to be really careful yeah yeah because I because I would literally go I'm not going to take it. Notch that down, not that down before you know. You've done a great job on it, though. Yeah, I feel, I'm learning now.

I'm watching YouTube videos. Bro, I'm so close to losing mine, man. What are you going to go? No beard, nothing. Maybe just, I might go back to Tasia. I like Tash on you. I actually enjoyed having a Tash. I felt there was an inner confidence about having a Tash that I've never known.

Yeah, it's because it's such an, I think it's quite a weird, it's deliberate look. You know, but I wouldn't see Luke Coombs this weekend. Let's talk about this because you did a grid post on your Instagram. Yeah. Something about nowhere in the world I'd rather be than with my angel watching Luke Combs or something like that, wasn't it? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, something on that. It's like you and Catherine.

Tell me about the night. See, you went to see Luke Combs? Luke Combs. I get into this because there was a lot of moustaches there. Yeah. A lot of tashes. A lot of people dressed as cowboys. Yeah. Does Catherine like Luke Combs?

Not as much as I do. I mean, look, she knew three of his songs. Right. Well, that's good. Yeah. If you're going to a gig and you know three songs, I actually think it's not bad. There were three songs that he played.

Two of the three songs he played on the encore. It's got a long... And he was on save for two hours. He's incredible. Yeah. One of the best things I've ever seen life. I love Luke Coombs. And I sing along a lot.

Yeah, I've talked about this with the I-eastern. I was very much getting into the night. Fun night. amazing crowd I genuinely everyone dressed up as cowboy I felt a little underdressed if I'm on this review right I wish I've worn like a sort of cowboy shirt and a

a hat more of a cowboy hat I didn't think about it enough and it's sort of that's going to be one of my biggest regrets of this year I would before you make complete that list I would listen back to some episodes from this year so you went so how do you make decision

you say to Catherine I really love I'm like Would you be out for a date night Going to watch Luke Coombs And then she said like Okay this is your Yeah this is your night

Went along Incredible A few drinks I mean it was a I would say it's one of few times recently I've suffered a lot Real social anxiety though We sat where we were sitting

You know a lot of lovely people But a lot of You know all of a sudden People were pictures and stuff Have you? Yeah, and people were drunk and straight away I felt like

a little bit like oh shit like this is so I ended up having quite a few beers The Turvus which is fun which is good Yeah It had a weird It was a thing

Catherine went to the bathroom at one point And a woman who wasn't sitting next to us came and sat On her and just came and sat next to me and then sort of tried having got a conversation Right And she was very sweet But do you ever had that situation

I'm sitting there, this woman's chatting to me. It's a very attractive woman. And she was like chatting away. And I was like, when Catherine comes back, this would look like this woman wasn't sitting here. She's come and sat next to me for a chat. And you know, when you just feel like, is this a, do I look like I'm being a bit of a prick,

just having a chat with this woman? So I found myself sort of like being a little bit despondent, I guess. You were trying to bring this to an end before Catherine came back from the toilet. Not bring it to an end. I was trying not to sort of get pulled into her. She was like, what's your favourite song? Oh my God, are you excited to be here?

She recognises it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And she came up to talk to me. And I was like, yeah, just chatting at first. She was very, very, very full on. She was very, very full. And attractive, you've said that.

Yeah. No, but, you know, a loud character. And if I'm honest with you, I thought, is this a bit disrespectful if I'm sitting here having this full on conversation with this woman who's come up to speak to me? Yeah. Let's be honest, if you're on your own, you would have tried to shag. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean, actually, I'm that kind of disgusting human being. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'd have showed her the pedicure. I'd have slipped off my cowboy boots. Yeah, yeah. How about we enjoy this next song, barefoot? Which is one of his songs.

Yeah, anyway, so you're worried about, sorry, you're not worried. I just sorry, I wasn't worried. It's more of it, it's like, this isn't a very respectful thing to do. And also, the woman was very, you know when someone's very full-on chatty, and it's, I mean, actually now I'm thinking about it, she had a lot of Tom energy. But I was like, this can't be the evening now.

She's literally chatting about. It's all, but isn't it? Catherine comes back and you go, look, sorry, I know we came together, but. No, there's three of us. And also, by the way, this woman knows all of his songs. She was singing them before the concert started. Yeah. She was going, oh my God, do you like Hurricane?

I love Hurricane. And she started singing Hurricane. Did she know more of the songs than you did? Well, she, yeah, I mean, probably on par. but I'm not singing. Because you remember, don't you, when you told us a story about the Oasis gig where everybody that didn't know the songs

you were really angry with? Yeah, I mean, but it's very hard to be that angry with my wife when she's coming along and done a nice thing. I'm not talking about her. Oh, I knew a lot of the songs. I'm not talking about this woman being angry with you. Because obviously she was angry.

No, but what she wanted to do was sick, like she was singing the songs before the concert had started. So she was like, yeah, she was just loudly singing out. It was just a bit like, you know, okay, cool, well, yeah, Luke Coombs is about to do this. If it was a wild thing that you're preempting. So what face are you doing while she's singing this song to you? And how long is she going on for?

Well, Catherine, also, this is a beautiful. Catherine was then, because I'd seen this bit of merch out, like this Luke Coom's baseball shirt. So Catherine was then trying to find in the merch store. She went to up four merch store. I was like, she's taking ages. And she came back and she was like, I couldn't find the Luke Coombs baseball shirt.

I was trying to buy you that as a gift. sort of, which was a lovely gesture. Oh my God, and while that, you're cracking on with some other women. Yeah. Well, that's how it might look to people. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this woman's then, but she's, when Kevin came back, I think she'd, she'd sort of

finished her own little concert. By the way, a lot of people around me were finding this quite annoying. Yeah, yeah. It sounds quite embarrassing for you, actually. Your people were looking around because she wasn't just going, oh, I would like this song, and then giving it a gentle, like, you know, I came in like a hurricane. Yeah, she's like loudly singing. Yeah.

Yeah. Out where the wild things are. Like, how where the wild things are. Like that. And I'm like, oh, yeah, chill out.

Like, I'm not with you. Like, and people are looking around and going, what's she doing? Yeah. And so,

yeah. Mm. Do you know when do you feel like, okay, this, this night's become about. And she had, she was fully decked out.

Yeah. Like redneck cheek. Cowboy hat. Cowboy boots. Literally, yeah. And then how did it come to an end? No,

she stayed next to us for the whole concert. She was trying. to dance with it. Me and Catherine were dancing. I was singing. Catherine was sort of like getting the use of the swing of the songs and then trying to sing. I mean, we're, yeah. And then someone was like, oh, we're sitting there. And she was like, I've been sitting here since before the concert. It was all very awkward. It's very strange. Hmm.

And did you feel any responsibility for how it went out, went down? I was polite, but then what I realized, by the way, is being polite sometimes is a killer. killer. I was polite to quite a lot of people. Did you ever have this thing? I was being polite. People weren't, you know, could I get a picture? Yeah, of course. And chatting away and talking about Luke Coombs or, you know, quite a few Westtown fans or whatever.

Having a laugh at people. And then this guy went, came up, he's so aggressive. He was like, Who the fuck do you think you are? And I was like, no one. I'm just... And he was up fucking giving it all that were your fucking pictures, mate, right? And he was, yeah. I was like, no, I'm just doing pictures. He was so aggressive.

and I was cueing he was trying to knock you know just yeah I was like I'm just doing a few pictures and you're like no this is fucking I'm gonna get beaten up by some fucking lunatic and a fucking cowboy hat and he'd done the thing

I mean it's a big look by the way he'd done the thing where he got a short suit shirt and he'd rolled the sleeves up to about there and his mind he had these fucking he was so hench he was terrifying I think that's probably the gear talking isn't that

yeah I think he's had a couple of lines of coat yeah yeah and also So my girlfriend's been up there for fucking two hours doing her concert. And he was so angry. Yeah. And he did that thing. You know, like, he ran out of aggressive things to say to me. So he just stood next to me sort of like a bull just going.

I'm surprised that this guy was at this gig. Yeah, he was, by the way, the only twat that there was. It was like they'd gone, oh, shit, we haven't got a twat here. Where was the gig? Wembley. Beautiful gig. There was a weird actually. Looking down, there was a couple of fights in a crowd.

Nice. Yeah. You could see the torches in the club. I wouldn't have thought it would be supercharged like that, but it was. Yeah, it's always going to be helmets. I mean, his music's quite... His music's beautiful. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

And it's all about love. It's all about family, friendship. You wouldn't expect me to be a big row at a Louis Capaldie gig, would you, for example? No, no. But if you, you know, there'll always be a prick. He was there to, no, Harron came out there with the guy from Clarkson's Farm. Both shot at a bit. Caleb. Yeah, Caleb was wild.

It was an incredible thing to see. What is this gig? What is this gig? So they come out and they shot a beer, you know, like, yeah, did a beer. And Caleb, so Caleb, but Caleb was like, he was so sweet to see. I'm like, wow, he is really blossoming into, yeah,

something. And Norhoram was there, sweet now. Yeah, it was, yeah. Really glad you did a good time. Mate, I loved it. Can you see yourself moving into doing more live music gigs? Country music, yeah. Right.

Country music's your thing, isn't it? I think it is now. Do you know what? I've been dancing around. I've been, you know, indie. I quite like a little bit of hip-hop as we know. But this feels the thing for me now. That's your genre?

Yeah, I think that's it now. You're a country guy? Yeah. That's exciting. Yeah, I feel like I've found my place in the world. Yeah, yeah. So what are you going to do? I found my people.

What are you going to do? There was a lot of, maybe do a country album. I don't, I think you can just enjoy the music for a while. You've only just discovered that you like the genre. I've liked it for a while. I know, but you've only just declared that you're into the country. Like you have hip-hop. I have country music now.

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I understand what that. I guess that's what you're saying. I was thinking of like a tattoo, you know, like a kind of cattle. Like a cat, you know. A cow? No, like cattle, American buffaloes or something like that. To signify my sort of emergence into the...

I think that's what people think will signify. What do you think it all look like? What just is like you're into livestock? I'm into life. I bet Caleb's got a big cow tattoo. Fine, but I don't think they're going to... Yeah, he works on. That's someone I'd love.

like to be friends with by the way he's a Clarkson's farm yeah but I worry about him now what do you mean well Carlson's farm he's doing I don't know if the farms do I think it's doing okay he's doing great yeah but I think Caleb's such a sweet soul why you worried about him well he's into the world we're in now yeah he's very famous yeah so he's having the time of his life yeah but no but when people start being pricks I hope that he's got to so you thought he was a prick at that gig no I thought he's incredible at that gig but I just worry about people being pricks to him oh to him he's a really sweet guy yeah yeah I do worry that he's going to get that. You should reach out to him?

He's bigger than me now. He's a massive following. He wasn't even, yeah. He was on stage with Luke Coombs. The night before John Terry was on stage with Luke Coombs. What? John Terry shot gun on beer. He got booed. And he kicked it into the crowd.

Okay. Do you know what? Can I just say this? You will never see me at one of those fucking goose. Why? People are coming on stage and shotgun in beers. Yeah. Fucking John Terry's there. No, thank you. Who was at the next? night, Rupert Lowe.

John Terry had a flat cap on. He looked like... Fucking out. He looked like he wandered in for a football factory. I was like, give him a cowboy out at least. Yeah, full cowboy. He's the proper full kit wanker, isn't he? He'd probably kale on the horse.

A little pair of denim hot pants. Some daisy jokes. It was, uh, yeah, it was a great night. Great night. I had a good time. Food day was incredible. So what other art? Oh my God, here we go.

John Terry just shot gunned to be with Luke Coombs at Wembley stadium. He allegedly got booed. Incredible how difficult I found it to read that single sentence, wasn't it? Can I tell you why? I'm unsure of how to pronounce his surname. I'm just going to say that.

Luke Coombs? Is it Coombs? I think, do you know what? I think we put too much, we've been pronouncing your surname wrong for fucking 15. Well, not wrong, it's only the way that I've... Yeah, Runganathan, right? But...

Who's been pronouncing it Runganathan? Huh? What did you just say? I thought it was Runganathan, though? Rungan Arthan. Rungan, well, okay, yeah. There we go, look. Yeah, but don't get all shrugging.

It's pizza or pizza, you know what I mean? Yeah. Luke Coombs. Is it Luke Coombs? Yeah. Coombs, okay. I mean, I've played a lot of his songs on my radio show. By the way, a lot of love for him, right?

Even on the old R2 show. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of love for him. Yeah. So, is he your favourite now? I adore the guy. Who are your other country artist? No, because this is your genre now.

I don't think that's a bad for a lot question. Who are the other people who are you in? There's a guy called Zach You can listen to people It doesn't just have to be people That live on your road What about music artists

That you like country eyes I have it on shuffle So sometimes Right okay So you just go You go and you find the Yeah Yeah

I'm terrible with names I don't even Yeah So Well look I don't think there's anything wrong With that Yeah

And I think this is my journey This is my journey Luke Coombs is That's my power of teeth that's my entrance into the world. Oh, that's nice. Oh, that tastes delicious. I can eat more of that.

Yeah. Oh, we've got loads of dishes for you, sir. Bring them forth. And then I'll slowly eat them. No, I get. I get it. I get the analogy. Yeah.

It makes sense now. When you said operative, I was like, what could he possibly mean? And then you explained how a meal works. And I was like, okay. I get it now. I get what you're saying. But what I think you should do, if you're trying to deep dive into this genre, because that whole thing of like, I'm into this thing.

I'm going to listen to a playlist is great. But it's only really great if you then like, say you hear it is to actively listen. And when you hear a song that you like, then go to that artist. Go to that artist. And then maybe you've got, you find someone that you're going to be a new fan of,

do I mean. Yeah. I mean, I sort of ended up having to do that because of the hip-hop show. Not having to do that, but you're trying to stay across. Yeah, but that's become your, your DNA. That's the thing you're known for more than anything else now. What is? Hip-hop.

No, I love hip-hop. But what I mean is like, you'd be listened to a playlist. Yeah. And then, like, some, Sometimes you can just let that wash over you. I like this a lot. This is good. Okay.

Let's see what else I've got to offer. Okay. You've made it sound absolutely disgusting now. That's what you're doing. That's not what I'm doing. You fucking ruined it now. That's what you did. Hmm.

Okay. Yeah, I think I like the sound of that. I like this guy. I like this guy. He's a wordsmith. Okay. Let me just. He's got some good.

So he's got three albums. Oh, listen to this. yeah yeah that's what i'm gonna do look look you can make me look like a prick if you want but it just means that you'll have a follow-up question to what other artists would you like i'm just trying to help you out i'm gonna do the same thing okay so next i'm gonna have more people that's the thing i might do what you do and just go you know that when you put the videos up of people you like instagram yeah and go bangor and or whatever like that yeah yeah yeah i'd love to see you start doing that okay i'm on it okay okay great operation country country file post malone did a country album

Post Malone, I know. Great guy. Yeah, his country album's really good. Jelly Roll. Yeah, Jelly Rolls good. Yeah, I like Big Jelly. Well, he's lost a lot of work. Yeah, he's just...

You know, he did it by running, like, yeah. He did a lot of running. Mm. Sadly split up with his wife. Yeah. Bunny. Yeah. Which is really sad because how it is such sweet names.

Mm. That's a dinner. Yeah. Who's coming around tonight, Jelly and Bunny? It sounds like something you'd watch on Cartoon Network. Yeah, yeah. And they come around. And by the way, outstanding guests.

any dinner party. Actually probably not as much now because he's not eating as much. Well that's better isn't it? Well no you want him to come around and having a full fucking... Well I'm sure he's still eating full meals. What I mean is that? No, but he's not eating as much, do you what I mean? You got a portion control going, oh yeah, be careful, mate, you've got a big run. When you invite people around for dinner

Yeah. And I by the way, I'm asking this because I've never been invited around. You have been invited around and you've been around to my house for dinner. For a lunch? A quick lunch. A quick... It was made clear when you have very rare to be invited to someone's house where there's a hard out was there a hard out oh very hard out I can't remember why yeah I don't well you gave us a

cool sheet I actually put on a hell of a spread you did it was great it was a hell of a it was really very I thought about everyone yeah you gave me everyone's dark everyone had a great time slightly worried that I sort of maybe drop Lisa out a little bit because Lisa's I think I think because you sell Lisa really anything so I just thought well actually I've slightly changed my mind on that. Lisa won't eat nearly anything. No, that's what I found out that day.

Actually, everyone else, like, I've got you these incredible vegan, I went to a specialised vegan place for curries. One of my favourite restaurants to go to. I thought he'll love this. Boys, I've got some nice chicken nuggets, chips. It's great, yeah, it's good.

And then I thought, it's weird that you still remember the whole list. Well, yeah, because I've felt like quite a casual you invite us around and just have whatever you want, but now you'll give me an inventory of every single thing you brought in. well I can tell you when I went to yours

I can tell you what I got for yours a sleeve of biscuits yeah yeah yeah but you didn't come around for lunch hello I came around for yeah yeah you came around just to say hello and you ate all our fucking biscuits which is what I mean about jelly roll

you don't having that problem now by the way just so you know it's unusual to say I ate a sleeve of biscuits you threw that out there like that's something somebody says I would say you know somebody says something that normally follows this sentence when did you know you'd hit rock bottom

yeah but a sleeve of biscuits isn't rock bottom you'd never sat and watched a Netflix documentary or something and going oh fuck man this is brilliant this is great are you asking me if I eat biscuits like popcorn no I do I'm not being harsh by the way

when you're eating habits the reason I don't do that is I have to be really careful that I don't do that yeah but this is the thing I think I'm in a place now that is my joy where I go okay this is biscuit a clock yeah I mean there's nothing wrong with that

but what I mean is can I tell you my slight issue with that go on to be honest yeah is I don't think there's anything wrong with there is nothing wrong with and we are in this city

like we've all these fitness influences they're all going like you know oh my God you've got to be careful with what you eat and earn your calories all that bullshit yeah so I don't agree with that

and I think if you eat what you want but the only stipulation is like I think you should at least savour what you're eating. So, like, for me, if I sat with a packet of biscuits in front of the TV, I'm not really...

Yeah, but can I say, I suck every jaffer cake. It's like, every jaffer cake, oh, but if I'm sitting there with sleeve of jaffa cakes, everyone gets exactly the same respect and adulation. Well, that's great. Yeah. I don't like scoffing them in like that. I'm like...

It's really nice to hear you refer to jaffa cakes. Like a pimp might do to his hose. Right, Tom, it's about that time, my gee. Can you wrap us up? Okay. Lick this podcast to its clothes like a juicy little Jeff. Thank you for listening, watching, and please subscribe if you can. Aaron had a dog, Willie Taylor.

Willie Taylor was the most lull and sweet dog you can ever see. But as silly as the wind. See, every day Aaron and Willie lived near a small cliff. and Aaron would let Willie out of the back door and Willie would run off and quite a lot of the time run down this cliff thus finding himself stuck on the beach. Aaron would go, Willie, you're silly thing. You're as silly as silly as a blooming wind, mate. And he'd climb down and he'd get Willie and take him back to the house. He'd do it again and again and again. Then came a day where Aaron had to go to the hospital because he had a really bad case of the piles.

So he was in hospital and the door blew over. I guess it was a wind being silly. And Willie escaped and ran and he jumped down the cliff and found himself on the beach with the tide coming in. All of a sudden Willie was up against it. He didn't know what to do. I guess that's the thing about life.

If you keep putting yourself in silly situations that you can't get yourself out of and people help you from, you'll never ever be able to work your way out of those problems. That might be the lesson. But that way, Willie did work out. He kinded up the cliff. Because sometimes when you find yourself putting into the face of adversity or a big cliff, you find something in yourself that lets you become the hero. you've always needed to be.

Really good. Really good. Thank you. Very surprising story. Yeah, yeah. For example, surprising, I think, to everyone that Willie survived the fall off the cliff and it was the water that proved to be the thing he was most nervous about.

It's just like, man. Scrambled back up the cliff face. Sometimes it's not the fall, it's a climbing up that teaches. Absolutely, yeah. Sort of almost a Milis Cyrus. That's a country song right there, I think. Yeah, yeah.

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