Wolf and Owl - Marvel Auditions, Soap Dramas and Spider Bites

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

What Marvel hero would Rom play? When will Tom get his driving license?How often do blokes brush their hair? And when did Tom stop believing in the Easter bunny?This week we discuss all of this, plus hear even more of Tom’s many impressions and decide that we should treat everyone we meet as a potential friend.Don’t forget to send in your questions, pictures and voice notes to [e-mail] for the chance to have them answered in an upcoming episode. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters:00:00 Intro01:20 When Marvel call10:50 The Simple Son13:04 Wolf & Owl soap opera18:15 Hayfever and spiders23:10 Community spirit25:44 Hair brushing28:30 Pete the axe30:45 Driving lessons40:18 Takeaway trauma43:01 Cold callers47:24 Beliefs, rocket ships and Jaffa Cakes52:33 Tom's final thought Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Work out. Is that, hold on. Is that one of the... Really? Yeah, people hate it. Really? Yeah, because it comes off the back of the theme chin and then I'm really loud in the ears.

Wow. I didn't know that. I've always got to enjoy it. Sorry! Yeah, what do you want? Beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's prefer.

Just kidding. Every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Wow. Yeah, I like the bignness of you, though. Do you? Where's the odds to the rest of you? No, because you're quite a chill guy.

Yeah. But I've already killed my, what I was going to do is just sit with my legs in a different way. Oh, yeah, look at that. How are you going to sit? Can you show us? I was going to sit like this. No, you were. You had your legs together when you showed me.

Not like that. Not like, Forest Gump. That's what you said you were going to sit there. So how were you going to show it? Probably, have you listened to the Forrest Gump? What went wrong? Yeah. No, is it good?

It's good, yeah. I've stopped listening to what went wrong. Why? It's so depressing to keep listening to a podcast that's so much better than ours. Yeah, also, talking about a world that we're both trying to get into and how... I'm not trying to get into Hollywood films, no. I'd like to make a film with you. Yeah.

Do I want to be in a Marvel film, no? You wouldn't want to be in a Marvel film. If it came up, yes, but it's not... Hey, Ram, it's Billy Max here from Marvel. Hi, Billy. Weird to you be calling me directly. Yeah, I know. I've skipped through Flo.

She gave me her number because I knew... Flo gave you my number. Yeah, I called her. That feels so unorthodox. Yeah, I call her. I said it's Billy Max from Marvel. Right. Marvel.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say it. That's okay. Don't worry. Like, you know what we love about you here? Ram's taking a piss out of me, as he says. Everybody's laughing here, even though they don't know what you said. I can't hear any laughing. Yeah, because I've got one of those noise-canceling earphone things on.

Yeah, I can hear you. So what does it do? How does it work that? What? The noise canceling any exterior noise from around me. So how does it know that? that it's you talking on or not. Just pretend to laugh because he's getting very funny.

Can you hear that laughter? Oh, yeah, I can hear one guy, yeah. That's Ian Savage, Fred's older brother. Ian Savage? Yeah, Fred Savage's brother. So it's Billy Max? Yeah. And you're next to, what's the guy's name?

Ian Savage. Remember Fred Savage from the Wander Years? I do remember Fred Savage. Yeah, this is his older brother, yeah. His older brother? Yeah. Okay. He's working, he's on scripts here.

Okay. He's great, man. He's really funny. He wrote three episodes of the Wander Years. and have, you know. Really? Yeah. Okay.

He was great. Do you remember that rumor about his mate being Marilynne Manson? That was not true. No, I know, but it was funny. But it's weird you're saying about Marilynne Manson. He's a big fan of yours too. Marilynne Manson is? Yeah.

He's a big fan of sort of Route 1 observational comedy. I was at his barbecue this weekend. Your name was coming up a lot. Marilyn Manson threw a barbecue. You're creating a buzz over here in Hollywood, my friend. You wouldn't have liked it because you're a vegan, as we all know. Yes. Are there any vegan options, Billy?

Uh, I think there was an old. old machine someone said but i didn't see it so yeah my favorite emoji because it's anyway um did he in like that one he's just making an observation about his own machine i don't think i can actually hear you but it's it's not noise canceling you talking quite close to the phone oh okay sorry um yeah um anyway you should be earwinking into other people's conversations well i'm on the phone to you bill anyway let me cut to the chase yeah we've got as you often do in marvel What? You often cut to the check. So yeah, so this is, we're like a secondary sort of department of Marvel.

You've got the TV and you got the movies. We're making Instagram shots of Marvel. Sharts. Shorts. Me and Ian. It's difficult to know. It's difficult. I can never figure out how Americans say shorts.

Yeah. It sounds like you're having a similar problem. Is this another observation? No, I'm just saying. You went. Okay. Well, if you ever get to American to do standout, you should use this. You said, shots.

Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah, all right, okay. Look, let me cut to the... Tell Ian. He's doing a whole bit about shorts. I think it's probably some... He said sharts. When, you know what... He said Instagram shards.

You know when stand-ups try to implement their act in a normal conversation? Billy, again, I can hear all of this quite clearly. Okay. Listen, this is the exciting bit. We are doing a Instagram series of shots, right? And we want you in it. We want you in it. Right.

Okay, so were the Instagram shots of a Spider-Man, Batman, all the wacky characters I know you love. Is it unorthodox for Marvel to include a DC character? It feels unlikely that you get the license for that, but you've got Batman. So DC handed over their main, the biggest superhero, did they? Billy, do you really work for Marvel? I work for a subsidiary of Marvel and DC.

What subsidiary is that? It's called, uh, Max Savage Films. Max Savage Films. Now, we haven't got the license for these characters, but... Okay. You haven't got a license for Spider-Man either? No, but...

No. But we're only putting them on Instagram. Okay. So we want you to be our Commissioner Garden. So you... Commissioner Garland? So I'll be playing a garden... A garden full of commissioners?

No, we can't call him Commissioner Gordon. We have to call him Commissioner Garden. All right. So everyone who know who you are. Okay. So you're alluding to him. Yeah, like, you know, like we call, you know, Spider-Man is just going to be called Spider-Thing. Spider-Thing?

Yeah. Batman is Bat-Thing. Spider-Thing, Bat Thing? Yeah. What are you going to call Iron Man? Iron Thing? No, we're not going to use Iron Man. We don't think he's, you know, big enough for what we're doing.

Iron Man's not big enough? No, not for what we've got planned. So Commissioner Gardin is the commissioner as to all the superheroes. It's a very big part. He'll have like... Obviously, he's only really commissioner in Gotham City. Yeah, no, but there's not. Gotham City. We're using a city of our own. It's completely made up and it's full of

superheroes and you're the guy who's got to bring them all the justice. I'm bringing the superheroes to justice. Yeah. Because what? They're being sort of vigilante. Yeah, they're going around doing mad stuff. They're not actually nice. So you're like the head of the people trying to bring them down. So I play Commissioner Garden in a series of Instagram Sharts. Yes. Yeah. So if you're up for it, Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, can you just like... We could send you some scripts. I'd love to see some scripts, yeah. And what's exciting for you is this is like a whole new, whole new thing from Marvel and D.C.

They're collaborating. They don't know about it, but they will. I mean, they did collaborate, as you know, do you remember when Stan Lee reimagined all the D.C. superheroes, imagine Superman landing. Sorry, Ian, do you know something about DC and Marvel collaborating? Well, you remember the, Billy? Do you remember when they did the whole comic book range and, I didn't know that you knew so much about comic books.

Yeah, obviously. Well, okay. Can I put you on to Ian? It's very, I'm going to be honestly, Billy, very unusual to receive a call and for you to hear from someone from Marvel, but you know more about the Marvel characters than they do. Well, I'm not a big murder.

I'm going to be honestly with you, Billy. For disclosure, I don't think you knew Batman wasn't Marvel until I told you. Can I put you on to Ian? I'd love you to, yeah. Hey, dude. How you doing? It's Ian Savage.

Fred's older brother. You're Fred Savage's older brother? Yeah, I'm his older brother, Ian. You're his older brother, Ian. I'm his older brother, Ian. I'm a writer over here in America City. In where? America, bro. Did you say America City? Yeah, I'm right over here in America. Sorry, I've got a bad cough at the moment. You haven't coughed once? I was out surfing with a couple of my bros. You surf? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do it. I have done since I was 22. How old are you now? 57. 57, okay. Yeah.

So obviously, Fred's... How many years have you been surfing, though? That means. If you started at 22, you're 57 now. 25? No. 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, enough about surfing. Billy was saying you got some questions about the Marvel movie, kid. Yeah, it's just that... Well, first of all, first of it's not a movie, is it? No, it's a series of Instagram. Are you all so clear that it's not a movie? Yeah, but... If you add them all together, we're doing 120 of them.

120 shorts to make of a movie. Yeah, so they're a minute of luggage. Why is Batman in it? Who told you Batman was in it? Billy. Have you thought him that Batman was in this? Okay, you know, we're working on the license for Batman, Spider-Man and Superman. But at the moment...

So you're calling from Marvel and two of the three characters of DC. Do you think... Can I... I don't want to tell you... What about if I told you the Dark Ark was in it? Yeah. What would that do? Yeah, but we've got that Doc Ack. We're talking to quite a big known celebrity to play Doc Ack.

Who's going to play Doc Oshah? Usher. Yeah. Okay, now you've got me interested. I've got an offer for him. So you're playing Commissioner Gardin, who is the commissioner of the whole of this Mayor-Cab city. Yeah. It's a city on its knees, and you're the guy trying to bring it back.

Right. Okay, so you're the mayor and commissioner. Mayor and commissioner. Mayor, sorry. Yeah, so you're going for the part of the mayor. You want to be the mayor. So I'm playing mayor garden or commissioner garden. Commissioner garden who wants to be mayor garden?

Commissioner garden wants to be mayor garden. So we need you to do some self-tapes for us and shut them over. Okay. Okay. We're excited, Ramesh. We're really excited. Okay, we're excited, Ramesh. Okay, we're excited, Ramesh.

We really are. We love your bits. We love you, you do all your funny stuff. Yeah. So we've tried to make the character a little bit silly and stupid. Yeah. Listen, we're looking forward to working with you over here at Mar. Okay.

Okay, great. I always do this as a joke, but it's Ian Savage out. Oh, right. Bye. Ramesh Ranganathan, out. Okay. Anything more you want to say to Billy? No, no, just pass on my regards.

Okay. Are you joking or is that for real? Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, even my regards, yeah. See, you'd love to do a Marvel thing. Is that what that was for? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm crying.

I don't You're crying I just found it so funny I just think I know enough about the comic book well But I don't I think you do a Marvel I'm not trying to break into movies Really?

Yeah I want to do a film with you We did that But I'm just saying But I'm not trying to get into movies If a film came along If something came along But I'm not saying to my

I'm not saying to fly Get me in a film Yeah If there's a film that came in called The Simple Son Right And it's like a a guy who realizes that he's really good at stuff.

And you played his old brother. I don't know. Something like mad like that. Or a bit sort of like heartbreaking indie film. Yeah, I'd like to do a heartbreaking indie film. Yeah. The summer of rummish ring and Ethan is the simple son. You're simple.

You haven't got a clue what's going on in the world's simple son. I'm trying my best. It's quite a guy. I like that boy. Just give me a chance. It's all I ask. You'll never work in Astor. They said they were.

going to give me an interview. Listen, you've always been different from the other boys. When you were scurbering around on your hands and knees trying to find your life. I will stack those shelves, I will! In the most heartbreaking film of the year, Ramesh Ranganaithan brings something new to the screen. Vulnerability. You mean, I can do the trolleys? The story of a meager trolley-wally who became the manager of Britain's biggest supermarket

franchise. You need the manager. I think you'll find you're talking to him. Well, I want to complain about the price of eggs. That's beautiful acting. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

I actually didn't think there was a lot in Simple son. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we just improv the trailers, but it's pretty hard to do. Yeah, yeah. Everybody thinks this is a talentless load of shit. You're right, but at least we have a go. So, look, so your intention is you want to do an indie film and a big Marvel film?

No, that's not my intention. Right. No, that's not my intention. Yeah, but if there's a lot for it. Yeah, but if there's a lot of it. Yeah. But if there's a casting director sort of sitting there listening now. Oh, yeah, if you want me to be in your Marvel film.

Not Instagram sharp. But in an actual... They're going to be big, by the way. Well, have you seen the little Chinese... Yeah, I think we should start making those. Have you seen the little Chinese dramas? Yeah. I'm really considering to start making that.

We should make one right... Should we do one right now? Okay, yeah. Okay, so what do they tend to... So, for people that don't know, it's like... What is it? It's like 30-second? Is it 30 seconds?

Or a minute, maybe. Yeah, okay. And then it's like a soap opera. Yeah. But they're really over... the top because I have to be. Really over the top drama. Okay.

So it feels like here maybe John should just give us a subject matter because I think it's fair. Because you can't be bothered you. Okay. I could do it if you want but then I could have pretty emptied it. So it's like a magic trick. I mean, the idea that you would have been able to orchestrate this. No, no.

You couldn't even fucking sit in the way you wanted to. I love you so. I don't think we're going to get any. I don't think there's going to be a Chinese drama cheating scandal on well for now. I think we're right to just come up with it. Okay. Should we come up with it? All right, fine.

Okay. I'm the big CEO of a massive company. Okay. A conglomerate called, um, uh, uh, ear funnels direct. Ear funnels direct. Yeah. Okay. Uh, you, uh, Max Lodgroft.

Okay. Um, you are, you're sort of like a busy bee around the office. Okay. Um. I mean, this is the bit where it feels preemptive. You're the CEO and I'm a busy bee around the office. But my, my, my, my, everything, you're basically a whistleblower. Okay.

you're trying to bring my company down. Okay. Because you've seen there's unethical trading within the air funnel world. Okay. So what's the level of unethical? Like we're using plastic that's harmful to air canals.

Okay, fine. Okay. Your name is Russ Titan. Okay. Okay. So you know what you gotta do, everybody. I'm done for. If I'm going to be here for another week,

we're going to start making more air funnels. Excuse me. Hello? Oh, God. Sorry to interrupt your meeting. Why are you talking like that? This is how I talk. All right.

As I've always spoken. I've never re-spoken to you before. Now listen, sir, I don't know quite how to say this. You better have something interesting to say, or I'm going to kick your ass right out of this big building. But what I want to know is, how can you live with yourself? Oh, I don't live by myself. No, with yourself. I live with a wife and kids.

No, with yourself. Don't start telling people I live on my own. No, I'm not saying you live on your own. I'm saying with yourself. What do you mean by that? But as in with your conscience. Hey, are you a whistleblower? What makes you say that?

The way that you're holding yourself. We had a whistleblower here a couple of years ago. Tell me about the plastic in your ear funnels. I'll never talk about the plastic in my ear funnels. That plastic's the best plastic you can buy. It's harmful to canals. And you know it. Air canals is the story right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ear canals, sorry. But also that type of plastic you throw it in a canal is going to call the shrews. Yeah, of course. But I'm talking mainly about ear canals. Listen, you tell you tell you.

anybody about this plastic? I'll tell you who can't listen, the millions of people that you've sold ear funnels to is ear canals and have been... Canals have been damaged by your tunnels. Listen to me and you listen good. If you cross me, you will see a side of me you don't want to see.

Okay? I think I might be looking at that side right now. Oh, really? What if I was to say that I know where you live? Of course you do, it's on the employee record. You're the CEO. I know. It's not a secret.

And if you carry on the way you're going, whistleblower, I'll have. have 32 Horsley Row blown to smithereens. He's made quite a public threat. It's only me and you here. We've left the building. You were talking to a group of people. They've all gone. Didn't you see?

They're all ghosts. It's only me and you. They're real. Okay. And then it would cut to the next episode. Yeah. Yeah. But also, we've got a lot of storylines. Can I just say, I don't think if we were to do it, we'd do improv, because first of all, that only works in an audio format. there were a load of people in here

and now they're all ghosts and we're the only real people. I mean, that feels like the main story. Why the fuck are we focusing on the plastic in the ear funnels? Everyone that works for the company's dead apart from you and me. Did you see the ghost thing come in?

No, because it's fucking insane. So the audience are sitting there going fucking all this is just full of like spins. So next time they're going oh my God, I've got to watch the next episode. Yeah, okay, okay. And that starts with your house blowing up. And you come running out

and then like, you're running out of the house are just blown up. And you're like, you know, oh, fucking hell, mate. This is worse than I thought it would be. So I wouldn't talk at all how I did in the first episode. No, yeah.

Yeah. Your voice was very cool, by the way. Thanks. I think there's something to do that. Yeah, I actually think the ghost thing wasn't bad. But the thing is it only works really if it's a radio play. No, we'd obviously have a bit of a budget to do it. Yeah, I know.

But how would that look? They're all ghosts. Well, we'd probably have to use some of the place where we'd fade, but I don't notice. No, no, no. It'd be clever. You'd have the table here. It'd be clever camera work because you've got a two shot of me and you. Yeah.

Singles of me and you. When the camera goes round, we just said to all the other actors, quick, go, go, go. It's your ghosts. No, I get it. So it comes back and there's no one there. And then you go, what? Maybe something's not bad. Yeah, I think it's not a bad first episode.

Anyway, how are you? Good. Good. I've got quite bad hay fever, actually. I feel quite bunged up. I feel like hay fever has been a sort of, I keep on thinking every year I'm going to get the ear. injection only get the injection.

What injection? You can get a hay fever, anti-hay fever? Can you? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I should do it. I should say it every year.

How much it cost? I don't know. It's like 25 quid, I think. But it's the snotty nose, the eyes, everything. My face is all sort of like stuffed out. I think as well, I've still got spider venom in me. So, yeah, I probably think spider venom makes the, the hay fever worse. Sort of, it's in my veins.

It's in my blood, isn't it? You two happen to Peter Parker. Yeah, I mean, I would say it's affecting your conversation. Really? Yeah. Do you think it is? Well, I mean, that was a load of shit, what you just said. All the spider venom's affects my head fever.

Of course, if there's spider venom in you, alongside. I don't think there's spider venom in you? Mate, if a spider bit you and he's got, because have you seen... Tom, you don't even know you were bitten by a spider festival. Well, I was bitten by something. Second of all, it has split up one of those deadly... Trachulous. Yeah, which, Rob Beckett took a picture of one in his kitchen last year.

Of what? A big spider. Was it like a trantula? Well, it's quite a big spider. I don't know if it was a trancellular. I don't. Can we look this? I'm going to look this up.

Are there poisonous spiders? Spiders. Spiders. Spiders. Spidey. E-I-S. In England. Oh, fuck.

Go on. This is where you run your mouth and think that you're the bright spark. So are we in kiddoch hood? Kid-Holt. What a great reference. Go on. Yes. There are venomous spiders in the UK.

None are deadly. The most notable is the noble false widow. The no. Is it what it called itself noble? That's the name. The noble false widow? Yeah. I don't think it's saying.

By the way, what a stupid like noble and false in the same name? No, it's a false widow that's noble. Yeah, well, it's not noble. It's sneaking around biting people when they're in beds. It's a fucking prick. That's such a snidey little move to do, can I say? I feel like I'm in a fucking. We have a

swoon's there. The most notable is a noble false widow which can deliver a painful bite similar to a wasp sting. Yep. Bites are rare, defensive and rarely cause severe symptoms.

Though they can cause pain and nausea. Have you experienced any of that? What nausea? I had a bit of diarrhea, but then I ate to eat four of those months. The noble false widows considered the most venomous in the UK, often found in southern England,

but spreading north. Where we've been? I live in the southern England. So, yeah. What's going on? What I'm just saying, I knew I was right. It's giving you a bit of an attitude. Yeah, because now I'm, oh my, look at these things.

Is that what? Oh, you don't know. You didn't see that. No. Other false weird. That one actually looks like the spider that beat Spider-Man. I mean, all spiders look fairly similar, don't they? No, but look at his back.

Guys, it's terrified. Bites usually cause localized pain, swelling and itching. Yep. When did you get bitten? I think it was Saturday. Saturday. It's now. Monday.

One to 12 hours. Okay, then this is more severe than that. Couldn't you say, there's a lot of, like, it could have been something. Clean the area thoroughly with soap and water. Did you do that? Yeah, I did yesterday, yeah. Yesterday? Yeah, I went to bed.

I literally got back. Okay, but have you had a shower today? You've got to have a shower today. Well, I don't think you have. I have had a shower. You smell me. Cut me. I've had a shower.

Apply an antiseptic cream? Yeah, I've done that. Use cold packs? No, I need to use cold packs. because that's why I've won those pair of trainers. I've loosed a pair of trainers. Okay.

Look, look, Colour me informed. Well, there we go. I'm sorry, I want to apologise on behalf of, well, myself, actually, for doubting Tom Davis. There was also the woman who's in charge of puck of pies got bitten. Right.

And got blood, something wrong with her blood from spiders. Yeah. She was in the cinema watching, I don't know what a film it was, but maybe a Marvel movie. And she got bitten by a spider. Thought nothing of it.

got sort of a blood disease. But are you not worried then? I've just said to you that you've got... You know I'm a hypercontract. Yeah, but it says it normally lasts one to 12 hours. It's been like 48. Yeah. That is now really worrying.

You don't seem worried. I am worried. But you're quite an expressive guy. Yeah, until I get really worried about something. And now I'm thinking about this, this could be the end. But Homer Simpson and that last episode of Simpson, you know, when he's... Yeah, yeah. When he's the chilly.

Yeah. Yeah, and he sits at his window and the sun goes down and he's looking out. Yeah. He's got that so sad. Yeah. I'm yeah I I'll probably need to go to a chemist after me and you have lunch together so okay so you're that worried about it that you think this might be the end so you're going to go to disheum with me and then we're going to go and then you're

going to go to a chemist yeah I'll go and see a yeah I'll go and see a for by the way shout at pharmacists big shout at pharmacists I think they're doing so much great work out they are they're incredible and people don't realize that they're doing great work do you know what I'll say now never met about pharmacists they're so good at stopping you buying too much otterveine yeah that seems to be their main job I will tell you now, I go to our pharmacists quite a lot. I've become actually friends with him, our local pharmacist. Yeah.

So much time for the guy. Yeah. Just have a laugh, have a bit of joke. Sometimes pop in if I don't need something. I knock on the window. I don't do that. What? Don't pop in bother people when you don't actually have something to do for them.

Yeah, but I think that's what this, I think we miss that now. I think the high street is dying because people don't just put, look, like when you're in Sunderland. Yeah. We talked about that. They created a forroar. But Romish rang in Athens is walking shop to shop, getting a shop, selfies with people. That's like a beautiful thing, right?

If that would be a day those people remember forever. I don't think that well. I think when you're walking around and you're in your local high street, your local area, popping in like Postman Pat knocking on a window. Hey, Bruce, hello, Val.

You know, I come here. It's Dan. Yeah. I just think it's a nice thing to be nice to people. I get you. You know? I mean, you can't do it now

because everyone's really fussy about windows being clean. Nothing funny than squashing your face against the window and pulling a funny face. nothing funnier. Come on, you know that's funny. That's funny for all ages. Not now at the moment

because I've got a snotty nose. I'm not going to do it. I worry about leaving a residue on the window. Yeah. In the moment, I leave it, yeah. It looks like a snail's crawled across the window.

Oh, fuck you, but for the most point, I just think that is, I think in society being a little bit, the world is so terrified at the moment. I agree, actually. And actually just being a bit more wacky and a little bit more,

yeah. Wacky, I don't think wacky, but I do think I could learn something for you in terms of being friendly to strangers. Yeah. But I read a thing that actually we should treat everybody as if they're a potential friend. Mate, you read that. I've lived that.

I've lived that my whole life. So you try to make friends with everybody? I don't try to know that some people I'm like straight away. But most of the time. Bad vibe from. Most of the time you're quite thirsty. See, this is where it falls down. The use of thirsty.

It's not about thirstiness. Tom, don't behave like you've never used the word thirstiness. I use it all the time. And I know I need a quenching. Was it? My point is this It's not like everyone in the world that I meet I want that to be my friend

What I'm saying, Romski Is when I get an aura from someone I'm like, you know what that That's, that's, that's Even if I'm not going to know them or speak to them again Sometimes it's just nice to bath In someone's raised just for a second If someone's really not, you know

It's got a warmth to them Yeah, sure Okay Yeah, and I think you should be good for you to do that more Have you ever brushed anyone's hair apart from Lisa? I've not brushed Lisa her? Have you not brushed her hair? Brushed her hair?

Yeah. Sorry, this whole time, have you thought that Lisa's my daughter? No. You never like... Have you brushed Catherine's hair? I've taken like when Catherine had years ago, she had hair extensions and I took him out for her. Okay, but that's not brushing her hair.

Yeah, I know, I brushed it. Yeah, I think I've brushed her hair before, yeah. It's quite a nice thing. When's the last time you brushed her hair? I can't think probably quite a couple years ago. You have not brushed her hair. I have definitely brushed her hair at some point. In what context you brushed her hair, apart from the extensions, then?

I think when we've been sitting on holiday and she's just like, you know, it's a nice feeling for someone. I mean, I'm, it's something, it'll never happen to me again. Right.

Right. She brushed my beard actually the other day. It's lovely. She got a little brush out, just gave me a little beard brushing. Really sweet. Nice country moment between the service. Yeah,

really nice. So, but people, it's a really nice thing when someone runs a brush for your hair from what I remember. So actually, maybe you should try,

like, right and you just brush your hair I don't think I'm going to do that why? I just think I don't

I just don't it's not Does that feel nice Lease Does that feel good girl It feels good wrong No it's just a nice thing You know what

That is the thing about it As we get older Yeah What you realise Is intimacy In those parts Of little bits of intimacy It hasn't got to be

Like grand moments It's just nice Little bits of connection Yeah Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense Yeah How often do you brush your hair?

I don't think I ever brush my hair. What? I can't think of it. How does it look so amazing? I just run my fingers straight. The beautiful thing. I don't think most people, most people don't brush that. Most blokes don't brush their hair, I don't think.

Well, no, I think it depends on the style. You've got like one of them slick back. Yeah, yeah. Yours looks like it's been manicured within an inch of its life. No, it doesn't. It does. Have you not got a flick comb or anything like that? I forgot we met on the set of Greece.

No, but you don't carry a little comb around. No. If you saw me, if midway through his podcast I flicked out a comb and started doing my hair, what would you do? I respect you so much. I think they're the little moments.

I think they're the characters I miss, Bobby the comb. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, I think, do you know, I think we're going to... I would think it's a sad day

and a damning diamond of the rest of your personality that because you occasionally use a flick out comb, you get to be called Bobby. the comb. What does that say about everything else to do with you?

Yeah, but it's no different than me being called Big Tom. I suppose it's the most, yeah, recognizable thing about me. Bobby the comb, though. I used to know a guy called Pete the Axe. And he got called that because

people talked about him in this pub I used to go to. It was quite a rough pub. People would talk about Pete the Axe. I was terrified. Like, I fucking know, this guy sounds fearsome, Pete the Axe. What was his name? Pete the Axe.

And he came in the pub this right and he was shouldn't what did people around the area know who Pete the Axe? Everyone used to go oh you said Pete the Axe? Pete the Axe oh he was at the pub last night Pete Yaxe and I was always like Pete the Axe is going to be some sort of like lunatic

who Pete the axe He's gonna like you know Franks Franks yeah Franks McVittie right Yeah you put an axe by it it sounds you know it's not like probably the comb Yeah And Pete came down Pete the axe

He came down the pub one day He was such a sort of like meek man Who was? Pete the axe he probably actually would have gone to your death pad yeah why was he called pete the axe so he came in and I I was really excited to meet him because I thought he was

going to be like sort of like some rough and stuff yeah yeah and he said um oh hello mate you know he was chatting so I was oh yeah do you know Pete I said oh you pete the axe and he went oh yeah yeah he'll pete the axe and I was like really and he was oh you didn't do that you wouldn't have done that no I didn't meet it but I was like why did they call you your head you were thinking yeah why do they call you Pete the axe and he went

about five years ago someone down here needed lending an axe so I just lent them an axe I was just like that's an insane thing to have got a nickname as prestigious and as fucking terrified as Pete the axe because you once lent someone an axe so Bobby the comb isn't much for a throw

because there's probably two Bobby's in a group but who the fuck's borrowing a cane by the way that's disgusting yeah you're not going to name Bobby the cone because you lent someone a comb no but that's how we Pete the axe yeah but also it's like I mean to be fair after getting to know Pete

that's the only interesting story he has that he actually led someone on the axe. Yeah. Whereas Bobby the cone's probably got a bit more around him. He probably has a toothpick in his mouth. You know, he's sort of like, probably sort of quite debonair and sort of. But I'd tell you, you want Bobby the comb on a stag do more than pique the axe. Sure, sure.

Can you come on as that cleared up? How have you been, by the way? What's going on in your life? Well, Theo 16. Yep. We started to discuss driving lessons. Do you know how straightaway depressing this is? So.

Your first born will drive before I can, maybe. Well, I was going to say, yeah. It's quite a good incentive for you. So Theo's talking about driving lessons. Okay. He wants to get his driving license as soon as possible. He would like to enjoy some freedom.

I don't know what freedom. He's in the top 1% of privileged children on the fucking planet. So he wants, he, but no, you know what it is? He's growing, boy. He's growing. Yeah. And also, you know, at least his, He's running him around a lot.

He's got a girlfriend. By the way, shout at him for independence. Because he realised his mum's doing an incredible job. Big shout at him for independence, yeah. So here's the first question. Yeah. This is the thing that I asked. How many driving lessons have you had?

I've got quite a few. Okay. I learned to drive like four times and just quit before the test. You let it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. So my recollection, I passed my driving test 23 years ago, 24 years ago. Okay. So you, 32 in you? Sorry.

My, the difficult thing is, with your maths, I didn't know whether you were trying to do a joke or not. Okay. By the way, Grace is excelling at maths. Is she? Yeah, so that started to worry. Anyway, the question, on my recollection of driving lessons, is that the most difficult part is the gear changing.

Yeah, but that's not a problem thing, that. well why is it not a problem because automatic's the future well this is the question that we then raised yeah is it worth him learning in a manual or an automatic like because manual is a lot harder a lot harder yeah I've got a manual driving license but I'm of

that age when manual cars are knocking about I can't think of the last time I drove a manual car yeah so if he's driving one of your numerous cars he's not going to have a manual car well but all joke aside so you're learning in automatic I'll learn an automatic I'll learn an automatic

it's by the way I have literally She, so in the last three weeks, had a couple of situations at home where Catherine, I'm not going to get too into it, but Catherine, we've had some situations here and there with Catherine's family members. And it's been like, she's like, well, I've got to go here. I'm not going to be around for the day. So you need to do this, this and this. And Grace is all of a sudden she's for like.

Catherine drives. Catherine drives, of course, yeah. But she's like got a few clubs or she's got to take it to a party. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, shit, actually, yeah, I kind of need a drive. For the first time, do you know what? I've never ever gone, oh, I need a driver. This is the first time now, I'm like... Did it, because some people get off put by potential partner not having a driver license. Was it ever a thing with you?

You know what? Sadly, it was one of my least concerns of all of my four balls. Of all of the things I have wrong with me, driving licence was the one thing. I thought, you know, to be fair... I should go over the four balls thing, which? Some people pronounce it foibles. Yeah, the four balls, yeah. But actually, what people don't realize is when you first met Catherine, Yeah. Well, I was like a cow who has two stomachs.

I had four balls. Yeah, a ball bag up my butt. Jesus Christ. No, but of all the things that I had, I was like, yeah. And also I was very open of it. And when we first lived together, we lived in London. So it was like, actually, in London there's no reason to drive. And it only really dawned on us when we moved out to this sort of Peterborough way. Oh, shit, actually, this is now becoming a bit of a bit more of a problem.

I get you blood. But anyway, back to the man in charge, Theo. So anyway, so I said to Theo, do you want to learn an automatic or manual? Because I'm just telling you that, it would be much easier in automatic. Okay. Because all of my, most of my fuck-ups when I was learning to drive because of the game. It is awful, by the manual. And you know, like the hill starts and all that shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But annoying. Whereas like, automatic, it's like Mario Car. Yeah, exactly. By the way, amazing game. Yes, and that needs a big up, doesn't it? So, well done. We like to shout out small businesses

so. Big shout out to the makers of Mario Kart. Nintendo. Keep plugging away, guys. Anyway, he wants to learn manual. Why? I don't know.

He said he wants to like... This is what I respect about Theo, though. Why? Because he wants to do things a hard way. He gets easy to... I think it's needlessly hard. No, but he wants to push himself. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, I don't see the point, though. I don't know why you make you life harder that needs to be. But his argument is that he might come across a manual car and there might be an emergency situation and he wants to be able to drive it.

I mean, he's wrong in both those situations because manual cars are obsolete. I mean, my dad would say to him, do it, but my dad still has, I think, a manual car. He's one of the only people who, I know who still has one. I can't think of the last time we had a manual car. Yeah. I can't think of it.

But I don't even making them much anymore. Can we look this up? Actually, can we have two questions, please? First question, are manual car still being manufactured in the UK? Yeah. Yeah. Manual transmission cars in

26 are rare. Theo, come on, man. Limited largely to performance models. Do you want me to speak to him? Pardon? Do you want me to speak to Theo for you? I'd love you to. And specific enthusiast cars

with only about one in five new cars offering a manual gearbox. So you are right, bro? Yeah. Okay, can we ask a second question? Is it worth getting a manual driving license in 2026? Good question.

Thank you. Getting a manual driving license is, in 20206, is still considered worthwhile for most. But not essential. Though not essential, as the automotive industry rapidly shifts towards automatic

and electric vehicles. Manly license offers greater versatility and lower car purchase costs. I don't really think those reasons are... I mean, yeah, I would say this, right? First of all, he's coming from a very privileged background. Yeah. So he doesn't have to worry about that.

I would say, by the way, that... Lucky little shit. Yeah. A lucky big shit. He's taller than me almost now. Is he? Big old boy. He'll be, yeah, and once he's got his car, he'll be the dominant, he'll be the alpha.

What do you mean he'll be the silverback? In the house, once he's got a car and he can do what he wants. He doesn't need you for lifts. I think your relationship will change for the better, actually. In what way? We see each other less. No, no, but you're, he's turning into a man. That's the thing.

Do you know, I'm, I've, yeah, so I've been thinking about, so now, weirdly, Theo's, Theo's sperm me out. You and Theo have both reached that age where you're thinking about getting a driving losses. Yeah, I'm 30 years older I think I'm yeah, very much He's someone I look up to For inspiration where I was wondering if you could learn together Do you know what? Would you take us out for some lessons?

No. Why? I don't know if you, you don't think you'd be a good ticket I think Lisa would be an incredible driving teacher Why? She's just very patient with people. Why do you say that?

She's got a lovely patience to her. How many times have you met Lisa? Enough to know that she's got a patience. No, I know what you're saying What? Because she's married to me. No. did you know what not everything's about you

such a narcissistic thing to say well we're talking about my wife and my son I think I'm involved a little bit can I just say yeah right I've met Lisa a number of times I've also talked about Lisa with you quite a lot Lisa okay that's fair time right self-asie as does Catherine drive around the boys doing stuff for the boys

yeah right we both know the level of patience it takes let alone I can see with Catherine with one daughter for three sons it's going to be a lot of patience I would just say, by the way, I would throw myself into this. I would be awful as a driving teacher. I don't think, number one, grace already at four doesn't respect me enough to listen to me. Certainly the respect is more in Catherine's direction.

I'd also say that I don't know if I'd have the weather rule to pass on and even have the confidence to say this is how you do something as important as driving. Yeah. So I didn't mean it as a slight on you. I just think, Theo, I think you probably try and turn it into a bit more sort of fun, bonding. you're getting an hour with Theo, just the two of you. I think number one you should be doing that, going to watch the football and do you're talking more social, which you do with him?

What's going on here? Am I suddenly on fucking Dr Phil? I'm just saying an hour. I do socialise with Theo. No, no, you do. But an hour of intense driving lessons is a really tough thing to do between the two of you. I'm sorry.

I've just told you I'm not doing it. I'm just saying if you get bullied into thinking about doing it. I'm not going to get bullied. Or let him have 20, 20, 30 lessons. Right. And then you jump in and go, right, yeah, take the glory. Do a John Terry. I'm not taking him driving.

Will you get a car with him once he drives? Yeah, once he drives, yeah. How many lessons do you think it will take Theo to learn to drive? Well, I don't know. I don't know how it took me, like maybe 15, 20. 15? 20, something like that. I'm thinking of doing one of those intense courses.

That's a good idea. Because that way you sandwich it and you don't retain any of the information. Is that what it is? It makes you much more dangerous on the road. Is that true? I don't have to make it off. No, I worry about my attention. Well, because the other thing is you're driving in, like, where you live,

it's all Lamborghinis and Ferraris around there, all the neighbours and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? So you've got, you're in a higher, you're in a higher, I live in Crawley. In the biggest, in a castle in Crawley. I don't live in a castle in Crawley. You live on a big hill in a castle in Crawley. No, I don't. You've got, look.

By the way, can we just get into a bit of bug bears here? And I know, we've not got, I respect delivery drivers. last night. Oh, God. I just want to get into this a little bit. Okay. I know that people talk about blue jobs and red jobs and all that shit. So whenever we're getting takeaway delivery, that always falls on me, right?

Yep. Same. Okay. Now, my second issue is, is it because we've got three children, yeah. Getting a consensus on where we go is incredibly rare. Yeah. right and often they want to they want to place each where one is uber eats and one is delivery

oh man do you see right can i just say by the way so about i just an insane thing of modern life i just want you to weigh in on this the idea can i just say just quickly of me and my sister or you and din with our parents and them taking us out for food on a saturday afternoon and then saying they don't want that choice my sister wants mcdonalds and i want pizza pizza hut, the idea of my parents going, oh, that's cool, that's fine. And then us... It's a fucking disgrace.

Yeah, it's insane. And I know this won't get through to the kids because it'll be a cold day in hell when they listen to this podcast, but my point is, first of all, we're going to get takeaway. Yeah. Secondly, they're going, well, we can't agree, so then you go, okay.

Thirdly, yeah. I suggested that Lisa manages the Uber Eats and I do the deliveroo. Right. That was poo-poohed. Yeah. So instead, I do both orders.

Neither of them can find the house. So they're arriving within three minutes of each other. It was one of the most high pressure evenings of my life, bro. One guy's down the road, he goes, I'm down, I'm like, I go to, I can, that you put in your location and they don't follow that. And so he's like down the road somewhere. So I'm running down after him. While I'm doing that, I'm getting a call from the other guy. This is I think I'm here.

And I look on that map, he's not where he's supposed to be. The whole King Gary episode on this. Yeah. This at a dinner party that me and Catherine had years and years and years ago where we had people, friends, for the neighbours round, and I'm running around. We best a whole go out, it's insane. By the way, can I just say that I don't know what it is.

Like, Catherine literally, as soon as there's any, even if I'm not in the house, she'll text and say, we need this, deliver it. We need, like, supermarket delivery. So for Grace's lunch tomorrow, like some pit of bread or whatever. Can you do it? And I'm like, I'm in Northampton. Like, so I've got to go on, do the delivery.

obviously it's harder things to do the world but I'm like you're in the we've got in a family account yeah you're at home and what do you call what names do you call her what sort of names do you call her when she's awesome kitten so I'm really aggravated by that kitten I'm in Northampton kitten I had a weird one the other Catherine was away she went to parish with some friends

and I was uh it was just me little jay had an amazing week long weekend one of my favorite weekends for a long time Not just careful away. I've got some quantity time with grace. But we had a little pizza evening, deliverer. Got some pizza together. Chill, little picnic pizza on the lounge.

Anyway, I said we have a bit of a later night. So you go to bed at 7.38. So we go to bed in our bed, mine and Catherine's bed. Get her to sleep. She was being quite, you know, I sort of, it was a bit like Adam Sandler, in Big Daddy. She'd had far too much sugar, pizza. But she was jumping up the water.

So I finally get her to sleep. and then about 8 o'clock half 8 a cold call someone bangs on my fucking door like knocks on the door and I'm like the fuck is this

banging I run down and he starts trying to sell me some fucking like patio I thought that wasn't allowed anymore I thought it wasn't allowed but I'm like bro my daughter's asleep

you're banging on the door and it was raining I'm like why are you out this time of night doing this it's insane You say that? Yeah I was like if you

this is no one's going to answer the door and go at this time of night and go oh come in yeah I'll have a chat about some pet it it's an insane sales pitch and he was like yeah no you're the only one who's open to the door so far so I was like yeah well you know get yourself into the warm

so you invited him in no no I told him to go home right but it was just insane I've not had a cold quote woke grace up now I've got to do a whole I don't know if you mean your kids are older I had to the whole bed time routine again yeah we used to get the religious ones come around yeah knock on the door I respect it

What the, the, um, we had a couple of different denominations, but they'd come and sort of say, would you, do you want to welcome God into your life? Um, do you, I told you about the wind-up I did on them. Uh, so we had some, uh, people, uh, I don't know whether the Jehovah's Witnesses or saying, and they. Jehovah's Witnesses or something. Yeah, you know, the religious people. And they knock on our door. And I was upstairs with Catherine and we were in bed. And we had a ring doorbell at the time. And I went, uh, by the way, I know this is going to be hilarious from the smile that's playing. cross your lips as you start to tell this tale, but go on. And I go on the ring doorbell, just as I walking away and go, thank you for all your work you're doing. You're making me very proud. And they both turned round and I was like,

keep on carry. As you carry on, this isn't as fun as you think it is. It was really funny at the time. It made my wife laugh. Keep on doing your work. You're doing great. This is your Lord and Savior. That's really funny.

No, it's fun, isn't it? You and your wife taking the piss out of somebody's heartfelt beliefs. No, I just think You're quite a bullying vibe you to, haven't you? You're banging on people's doors. Yeah, hold on, okay, can I just play,

I was about to say devil's advocate? Yeah, God's advocate, yeah. You, you believe in God, not you. Yeah, I do sort of believe in God, I think he's around. Okay, people that believe in God do not impersonate him. With the exception of Morgan Freeman,

I thought it did a great wrong. Right. So, mate, I don't believe in the Easter bunny, but I put a question, well, if it made great to grace laugh. I believe, I don't know, I believe in Lionel Messi. Tom, Tom, Tom, no adults believe in the Easter bunny, okay? Okay, so it's a total fucking bullshit argument. Well, okay. All right.

So let's put your straw man to one side, okay, and talk about this specific thing. Okay, well, come. These people, not only believe in God. Yeah. By the way, can I say they both laughed? I think they're laughed. Okay. I think there's a bit of self-preservation going on here.

Right? So these people believe in God. Yeah. They believe that God is there any salvation. Yeah. And they feel so strongly about that. No, they don't, by the way. Jehovah's witnesses think there's a rocket ship that's going to take them to space.

Okay, fine. I don't know what they believe. So anyway, the point is, you've climbed up on your fucking box quite quickly to sort of like... Can we look this up, please? What did Jehovah's Witnesses believe? There's a rocket ship. There's something about a ship.

I think you'll watch the Simpsons. That's where most of my beliefs come from. Do you know what it is actually? When I was younger, I went out of the girl whose parents... That's the end of that story. That's novel enough. Whose parents were Jehovah's Witnesses. Right.

And what did they say? I didn't really talk to them much. I was sort of like... I thought Star Wars was a documentary. No, but I remember her saying that, you know, had talking about a dad, wait, there's only going to be a certain amount of room for believers on a ship. How old were you? Probably about 15, 16, yeah.

she was actually I think about her quite a lot of person she was a she's a good woman good girl she's very sweet yeah she's hanging out quite a lot and sort of hung out of her house and I remember like she came she'd never had chocolate before

she came to her house and sort of gaged herself up she had um we had jaffa cakes and she just was it was amazing the sense of wonder that she had just scrumping back on jeffa cakes so yeah

so what's just happened to you is actually disgusting. What? You sort of just gone into like I felt like I was your grandson sat on your knees you tell me the story of this love that you lost.

No, but I don't know, things are turned out alright. Yeah. For her? I don't know about her. I don't know. But we know things have said up for you.

She dumped me in the end. Right, okay. I was heartbreaking. Can you go ahead? Can you go ahead? And then, I often think about her. She'd never.

eating chocolate before. She came around and gorge herself on jaffa cakes, although I pronounce it gauged for some reason. I'll never forget the wonder in her eyes as she scrumped back those jaffer cakes. I think about it. All worked out in the end, that. I mean, for me,

she could be dead. No, she's not dead. I hope she's not dead. Well, so you don't know. No. Okay. Anyway, the point is... Well, I do remember she had a brother called... I can't actually remember her name, which is terrible. I remember her brother. He was called Wayne. So he sort of stayed with you. He met him like a few times. Right. Had he had chocolate before?

No, no. I never forget Wayne. He wasn't really the one I hung out with, but he had an energy and a magic to him. That stays with me even today. Weirdly, even though she was my girlfriend, I didn't really remember her name. But I remember Wayne. God, he loved a Jaffer Cake. Sometimes I'd walk around the town with Jaffer Cakes on me

and I hope that I'd bump into Wayne. And maybe he'd say to me, hello Tom, have you got one of those sweet, sweet jaffers? And I'd look him in the eye and go, I got you, big boy. I got you, Wayne. Sweet Wayne.

Anyway, these two people traveling door to door to help save people. Can I just say, but it's quite a boring. And then you're pretending to be God out of a ring doorbell? Can I say it's quite a boring job? Like, a little bit of laughter and a little bit of excitement. Did they laugh?

I don't know. They were walking away and they both looked back. I mean, to be fair, at one point they looked both look back like, oh shit, this is a moment. I don't think they did. I think you can tell

when it's a fucking ring doorbell. They haven't seen ring doorbells before. I haven't got ring doorbells. They're going door to fucking door. Do you think you're the only person, do you think you're the first person in the world to own a ring doorbell? They don't know how they work, don't they?

They're not armish people. They don't know about something like that. They're not like armish people, mate. They're not like arish people. They're not like armish people. like Amish people. They don't live in the same world as we do. They don't have modern stuff.

Don't have Squy TV. They know what fucking ring doorbell is. They'll be wearing like clogs and stuff. No, they won't. All right. Have a look now. Okay, let's have a look. A Jehovah's Witnesses, just literally make this a question.

A Jehovah's Witnesses are like Amish people. I think they're a version of the Amish. We don't have versions. Shout out of the Amish, by the way. I actually respect the Amish. Yeah. Jehovah's Witnesses and the Amish share similarities in their strict moral code. Oh God, you're right. Separation from mainstream society and practices of shunning.

But they're fundamentally different in their lifestyle and theological beliefs. The Amish are known to reject modern technology and living a rural lifestyle while Jehovah's Witnesses are integrated into modern society. Often using internet and technology. They're all fully aware of what a ring doorbell is. So that's a weird addition to that. Look, can I just say, by the way, I think there's something really. sweet about Armish-wise

I think that's such a we don't really get them in this country do with the Amish no I think that's that's a way of life building the barn

It's the second time you've done that you know I sometimes think about the Amish their way of life you don't really get them in this country

but if one of them knocked on my door I'd say hey friend come on in have a have a glass of water

I'd have a jeffic I would like to be called like Big Jebedeye Davis that would be a yeah Yeah, it's not an impossible dream. You know, you can start it now.

No, but I just say... BJD? I think that in a world that is confusing and a world that is ever evolving to go back in time and just think, oh, it's quite true. That would be lovely. Yeah.

Tom? Yeah. Please, could you give us your final thought? Eggs and bacon, sausages and fried toast. What makes a great fry out? Well, actually, it's not a fryout. of itself. See, I've eaten fry-ups in all different places. Sometimes I sat there with a plate of beans thinking these beans are overdone, but you know what? I barely notice. Because actually any meal,

fry-up, roast dinner isn't about the food in which you eat, it's about the company in which you keep. See, the company you're in, even if the food is bad, can turn a bad meal into a good one. Hey, tell, remember that night we went to that place and had that really bad spaghetti bolognese? Yeah, I do remember Ian. And that's the thing about bad memory, silly memory. me, things that don't go right. There's sometimes the greatest memories of all. And I guess that's what looking back does. When you're stuck in the moment, you go, oh God, this meal's awful, it's terrible. What will everyone think? But the truth of the matter is, everyone remember it with jest. So next time you're in a situation and you think maybe what you're doing isn't good enough

or the meal in which you cooked isn't delicious. Think in 10 years time, this will have become a funny story that someone might tell on a podcast or someone might say, Sue, remember that Tiram a Sue who cooked? You don't cook Tira Sue. The truth is, try your best, do your best, but you're not always going to get your best. And if you fall short, remember, it's just a funny story in the future. Okay. Really beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening and watching the Wolf and our podcast. We love you. Wolfelpod.com if you want to send in an email. We've got an email special coming out later this week. But for now, goodbye. Boom.