Wolf and Owl - S2 Ep 1: Or should that be Episode 100?

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

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well listen let me start off by saying two guys during the pandemic decided to have a little chat with no structure at all, they didn't decide that straight away it took 35 to 40 pilots but eventually they decided to have a little chat with no structure at all. They didn't decide that straight away.

It took 35 to 40 pilots. But eventually they decided to do an email with no structure at all and just see how it goes. Do a podcast. People said... Do a podcast. You said email. Yeah, you said... Did I say email?

Yeah, you said email. What did I say? You said do an email with no structure. Oh, shit. Which I do. You need to save your emails. I don't really... Doing a podcast with no structure. Oh, shit. Which actually means inside of your emails. I don't really. Doing a podcast with no structure.

Fuck. I was really excited about this. It was really nice, man. Yeah. Doing a podcast with no structure. People said it couldn't happen. People said the podcast market's too cluttered for a podcast with two just blokes chatting shit.

Well, guess what? We're on episode 100, motherfuckers. Yeah, brother! Roll for now and up in your fucking grill you know that you know that um mate why did i say email fucks we'll get jt to cut around it because actually that end bit was really fucking cool the way you did it you're so cool you fucking swagged into that some fucking nice energy boy to. Thank you. Welcome to the Wolf for now. Episode uno, cero, cero. Episode 100, baby.

Oh, man. How does it feel? 100 episodes of absolute drivel. Two guys just chatting drivel for 100 episodes. Is it episode 100? Because you said it was, and JT said it was. You know what? The thing about it, and this is what JT's like the clerical whiz of this podcast.

He'll love that compliment by the way we have to basically pull away now and say that this is apparently this is now series two of the war for now

what he said call this series two what are you talking about because series one we did quite a lot of those bonus episodes

yeah I mean series as it sort of like fluctuated it's been quite a stagger towards a hundred I remember like when my nan became 100

it really felt tense whether she'd make it do you know what I mean we're limping in a similar way to your nan yeah

it turned in 100 whether it's a podcast or an actual age I mean obviously in age it's a bigger fucking deal but it's quite the sort of like

oh fuck are you going to get there are you going to get there yeah because we had that two week hiatus due to one thing or another yeah fucking deal. But it's quite the sort of like, oh, fuck, are you going to get there? Are you going to get there? Yeah. Because we had that two-week hiatus due to one thing and another. Yeah. It felt like, oh, fuck,

it's the elusive 100. Are we going to do it? Are we going to record that in our 50s? Just like Joe Root on 99. Do you know what I mean? See if we can smash this over the boundary. And we have done. Although that would take him to like

103. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is, The Wolf and I have reached episode 100, and this is now, hold on, but is this episode one then? This is episode 100, but episode one of series two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's series two. I mean, look, JT's going to label it all up.

I know JT. And what are we going to do? What do you think we're going to do differently, series two, Tom? Oh, man, I don't know. I think maybe, I think we need to probably be more dedicated to the like i agree yeah i agree uh maybe that's something we should do i don't know i think maybe also you couldn't even you could even dedicate yourself to that sentence could you've not actually finished it dedicate ourselves to what dedicate ourselves to being more like

yo this is coming out every week yes yeah. But it's difficult. How many times have we missed? I think we've missed five over... By the way, when you read, not read about, when anybody talks about podcasts, they say 50% of the battle is putting it out regularly. Can I just say something, just quickly?

A lot of our good friends who run podcasts, contemporaries and all such, peers, they will do series. So they'll do a hiatus where they'll have a little summer break or they might have a little break over christmas we've had we've missed five weeks over the year or two years or whatever it is but we we don't ever take a break do we don't say oh look in august we're both just gonna have a holiday for fucking four weeks yeah even on your holiday we still recorded christmas we still yeah i mean look you still recorded. Yeah, I mean, look, you're making it sound like,

I feel like you're making doing a weekly podcast sound like we need a Pride of Britain award. A little bit. No, no, but it takes, it takes dedication and guts. It takes dedication.

You click on the Zoom, you click record, you go, are you ready? The other person said yes. You talk for an hour and then you send it off to somebody to edit so yeah yes i would say out of all of the podcasts i i'd be amazed if there's a podcast that

requires less effort what do you think this is the laziest podcast there is i think possibly i think there's a good chance there is i mean there are some podcasts out there where they don't edit them at all yeah but then thinking about it because some of my favorite podcasts and podcasts that yeah friends of ours do you know they've got to get guests. Yeah, there's a lot of hard work that can go into a podcast. This genuinely is. I've literally got a coffee, got a nice ice cold bottle of my favourite water, smart water, and just humbled along and just fucking sat here

and just began to chat with you, bro. Yeah. I mean, it took us three weeks. It took me three weeks to organise calling Jamie Redknapp on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah with you, bro. Yeah. I mean, it took us three weeks. It took me three weeks to organise calling Jamie Rednaff on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, man. Speaking of which, we've been away for a little bit. The Naked Park thing.

Thankfully, thank God for the listeners of the Wolf and I podcast who have said, although they would like to see me running through the Memorial Gardens in Crawley Naked, they don't feel there is any logical reason why I should do that. Oh, really? That's disappointing. Yeah, so it's been overturned.

That is disappointing. Was there any other forfeits? And they said, like, you know. No, nobody suggested any forfeits. I mean, actually, there is a Jamie. There's an argument that Jamie should run through Crawley Naked. Because, one, because he's the one that nicked it through yeah but look Crawley Naked because one

because he's the one that nicked it and two I'd rather see him naked I mean Lisa would rather see him naked he loves being naked yeah he does actually

yeah it's not a forfeit is it if right if it's a forfeit it's not a forfeit seeing Jamie Redknapp naked is not a forfeit if it's a forfeit

we have to get Jamie to do he should have to like eat an ice cream off your back do you know what I thought of then it just went like I don't think it would be bad at the top it's just when he started to get to sort of like the or if there's a little bit that sort of drips what is your bum it's a bit man let me just say by the way I would give anything for that right now. What? Not to lick ice cream. Lick an ice cream out of my bum quest.

No, no, just ice cream in my own bum quest. I've got literally the worst butt burner. I've had to reach for the pebble, bro. What the hell are you talking about? Do you have a curry pebble or a spicy food pebble? A spicy food pebble? Oh, mate. Oh, I'm about to blow your mind, brother.

What? Listen, so in the last few days few well i'd say like in the last week right i've sort of uh you know frequently then i cut the beers here and there you know just relaxed into sort of fatherhood a bit more just i was i was getting very uptight and i was i was you know i got myself into quite a sort of quite a sort of place of just being quite straightly like, this is what I'm doing, and actually sort of like needed to go. Yeah, so you feel like you were too focused on fatherhood, yeah?

I just don't think I focused at all on myself. I was just literally just focused like 100%. So I thought, you know, I went to Spain, which I'll get into in a bit. So, yeah, I went out with some pals, some old, some new the other day. And I did that thing, you know, when we went to a New Mexican place near a friend of mine, and I just went all in on spice. Like, tried to big dick it. How hot did you go?

Literally the spiciest thing that they could put on stuff. Like, this sauce was just – what's that really, really spicy chili called? Naga? It's like. Ghost pepper. They use it to make mace, apparently. Oh.

That's what someone in there told me. Yeah. They use it to make the spray that is mace. Do you know what that sounds like? I mean, that might be true, but it sounds like the sort of thing you say to a twat that comes in and what's like a challenging meal.

Oh yeah. They use it. They make, yeah. Before you, before you give it cocky benji all right yeah cocky benji ben green let's go back cocky benji he's gonna love that um that's why they call it pepper spray mate yeah that's not spice though is it yeah well yeah but that's what he said that this the the the spice the heat in this is the same thing that you use

for making mace i'm gonna i'm I'm going to look it up now. Have a little look. What's in mace? It's very easily Googled. Okay, so... I mean, you are actually right. Fuck. Bang, again.

There is going to come a time when you're going to have to stop questioning me for my brains. Yeah, okay, fine. I accept that. So I have that on it, right? As right as soon as the first morsel hold on before you carry on apologies i apologize for questioning okay okay okay brother it's fine as soon as the first morsel touches my tongue i know that i'm in too deep right there's some people there who are and i've basically given it i'm saying i really like spicy food i love like i love a bit heat but i literally it was so fucking much but then i felt

i had to eat it i had to follow through was there any part of you that was enjoying it or was it just no no this was you know like pure endurance i like spicy food this was this was just too much this was like yeah this was a sort of like do you know what this was this was put on the menu menu for dickheads who wanted to find their place within a fucking social group to champion themselves. Talk me through the conversation over the waiter. How did it go? Well, basically, I was like, how spicy is this, man?

And he turned around and he was like, oh, they use this to make mace. So I was like, yeah, let me give that a try. I sort of had a little laugh at him about it as well and he said can you handle it and i'm like yeah i think so uh just sort of joking yeah because this is the first time obviously i've met him i didn't want to become like you know he brings it over and he was like, everyone sort of was watching, by the way. Everyone in the restaurant or everyone else? I'd say that everyone in a selection of tables that sort of like were like sieged around our table.

I'm like that. I'm looking around and I'm like, well, this is one of the biggest gigs I've ever played. My social standing. That doesn't surprise me. My social standing within this restaurant if I'm ever going to come back relies on this

but as soon as the first morsel touches my tongue I'm like wow I've fucking overshot here this is so fucking hot like not like you know sometimes you get it

and like you'll eat something spicy like you know like a really really fucking nice chilli or a nice fucking curry or whatever or sort of a bit of food

no I get it I get it but it has you have a bit of respite where something else just takes away from it. Yeah, if you're smart about it, you have something else that can kind of cut through that. This was just like the chef had basically drizzled everything in this fucking heat, right? Right.

So I couldn't even turn to my chips for respite. I couldn't even go look. Because they were covered in spice as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't even lean on them to go,ite. I couldn't even go look. Because they were covered in spice as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't even lean on them to go, yo, please just help me out for a second here. I'm fucking stuck in a fucking place where everything's on fire. Right?

Right. Basically, I'm eating it away. And everyone's then talking. I then sort of draw back from the conversation so much because all my head could focus on is, number one, I didn't want to sweat too much. You know, which is the more you're concentrating on not sweating, perspiring i'm fucking drenched right but also i just like i had to battle through i i wanted the moment where i could almost go look i don't need to be involved

in the conversation too much but if i can get through this fucking food right in front of me right someone will notice and go oh my god tom's finished that and everyone will just go fucking hell like we knew we got you going quiet so you so you so you think dip out the conversation so that loses you a bit of social points but then what'll happen is at some point you will redress the balance because they'll see that you finished this meal that you've yes and then all of a sudden you're fucking you're eating a big old fucking pile of an ice cream sundae and at your king again. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. And everyone's like, you know, they're carrying up on a lift you up in your chair. Like a C3PO. Other tables are high fiving. Someone's taking my t-shirt off and they're drinking it, fucking wringing it out in a fucking gutter outside.

That didn't happen. Like the In The Man vs Food or something. Yeah. One of my favourite shows. Um, what, I couldn't get through it. I couldn't get,

I, I made it, I couldn't get... I made a... Look, it felt a bit like... You know when you see a boxing match, right? You went to watch Furlick Fury versus Dillian White, right? Yeah. You know with Dillian White, there's a moment in that fight, and I love Dillian, but you went, fucking hell, you bit enough more you could chew it, mate.

Yeah. That's how I felt against this food. I got in there, I was in the ring with this food, and halfway through it, I was like, I can't finish this. I got in there, I was in the ring with this food and halfway through I was like, I can't finish this. I never should have ordered it. I never should have stepped in the ring

with this food. So then I'm back out of the conversation but also I've got a dish in front of me I can't finish. And then everyone starts to say,

oh, they're going to try it. No one can handle it. When they tried it, did they all think it was really hard? Yeah. Everyone was like, no one can handle it.

Yeah, because nobody minds trying that dish. It's fine to have that dish. Yeah, but also, I'm trying to try other people's food because I'm still fucking hungry. Well, somebody else would have ordered something normal and then ordered that for the centre of the table just so you could all have a go at the really hottest stuff.

Not make their whole meal composed. Well, yeah, and also, you can't order more food, can you? Because then you're seen as being great. The thing is, so for me, I think the rookie error that you can't order more food can you because then you're seen as being great thing is so for me i think the rookie error that you made there yeah is like i like spicy food and i also i'm going to be honest with you i would i i relate to wanting to try the hottest thing you never do that when you're on a big social with people that you don't you maybe don't it's such a rookie error if I'm trying something really mega hot, either I do that in a takeaway,

so I'm at the safety of my own home, or when I'm with Lisa or my brother or somebody, so then if I have to go, I need to go home immediately. This is an emergency situation. They get it. What you don't want to do, and it's happened to me in the past, we've had it sometimes,

we've had a curry before going out on a night out. It used to happen to me with going out with the teachers or whatever. It's like, I would like eat a hot curry, really hot. And then I was sort of heading over to the pub and I think, oh, fuck.

Yeah. Like, I am basically nursing a cauldron full of lava here. That is absolutely no way. This is a killer, right? Because in my head, right, you're going all in on a game of poker, right? Because if it works for you, the spicy food,

you're known as, oh, yeah, you know, Big Tom, the spicy food guy. Fucking, he nailed this fucking... I don't know if that prize is quite as valid as you seem to think it is. I don't... In fact, I've got to be honest with you, I don't think I've ever heard

anybody talk about somebody sort of in hushed tones because they've eaten particularly hot food no no but I think

it's something that yeah but it's like you know like if you're then going out again with everyone right yeah someone puts their arm around someone and goes

oh you know he's coming out tonight remember that guy I told you about with that big fuck here who ate the mace oh fuck he's coming out tonight oh sweet boy you know what I told you about with that big fuck here who ate the mace? Oh, fuck, he's coming out tonight.

Oh, sweet, boy. You know what I mean? Like, the feeling that, you know. Yeah, but then what happens is you become known as the guy that eats really hot food. And then every time you come out, they order you, like, a bowl full of chilies or farl or whatever. Well, this is the thing, right?

So we then go out. Everyone's like, oh, let's have another drink and stuff. go along straight away i'm like oh it's code shit right now like my stuff this literally has gone straight to my stomach there's literally so i have to chip off early so now i'm the guy who tipped out the conversation the guy who didn't finish the spicy food and i've left the fucking night early how did you announce that what did you say oh no i just said that i need to get back because my wife needs a hand with the baby. So I was just like...

Thank you, little Grace. Thank you, my darling girl. My darling little angel. I get back and honestly fire came out of my butt. And this is where the pebble comes in. I can't believe you don't know about this. No, I don't know about this.

This is going to change your life all right what you need to do and this is actually almost the best thing in the world for you because you live near brighton so you could go to brighton beach you need to go down to the beach right find a really smooth sort of round but sort of long uh pebble all right yeah okay has to be smooth has to be nice and smooth like the sea's done its work on it right you then get home put that in the freezer right

then whenever you have a really fucking butt burn when you've got like a ring of fire you literally get it out of the freezer and you put the pebble

on your butt hole I can't I can't believe I'm hearing this that's have you never heard of that I've never heard I've heard of putting

bog roll in the freezer no no no no a pebble you put a pebble man it's an old scaffolding trick loads of people do is it yeah really yeah the pebble honestly man you probably like what i'd say like when if you're gonna go and do it go down to fucking uh the beach right right like with the kids i could make it fun for the kids don't you go all right everyone's gonna find 10 pebbles okay we've got to find we've got okay kids kids listen we need to find a pebble that's comfortable for daddy's arsehole okay nothing too big or it might you might need a big one i don't know right hold on how do you position it you position it between your arse arse cheek so it takes that so edge on yeah you don't like you because if you get it if you get the right shape one you can get like a little flat round one you get a longer one whatever you need right do you put it out your actual butt all right but you you rest it between your arse cheek

so the coolness separates the yeah your bum cheeks from chafing the rub in and the heat and then you take that pebble that's been resting between your curry-riddled arse cheeks and you put that back in your freezer where you keep food, do you? No, I fucking wash it and sterilise it thoroughly. Let me tell you something. I don't care if you put it in the fucking fires of Mordor, okay? That cannot go back in your freezer. Then you put it in one of those Ziploc bags, like a plastic bag, and you wrap it in there.

It doesn't literally, like, hygiene is paramount to me. Even if you want to bleach it, that's fine. But let me tell you, there'll come a time in your life when your butthole is burning and you need a cold pebble. Can people email in, please, if you've heard of this pebble thing? I've just Googled it, as Tom's been talking. I can't find anything but a bear in my hand.

Do you know what's great about it? Let me just say something, right? It's one of those folklore things that is passed from generation to generation within the building sites and the scaffolding, right? It was told to me like that. It's maybe not even made it to the internet. And this is what a big secret is.

But I will tell you now, this will change your life. Catherine, does Catherine have a pebble? No, no, no. She doesn't really like spicy food all right okay yeah um but she doesn't have one just on the off chance no we don't have matching his and hers pebbles getting mixed up now and again that'd be disgusting so are you not slightly nervous that like one day let's say little gracie has a play date or whatever kids somebody's come around and then she's like katherine's like says to whoever their mum or the dad that's come around i mean she's like katherine's like says to whoever their mom or

the dad that's come around for the play date um should we just do i'll do some lunch if you want open the drawer oh what's that there you got we've got we got we got uh turkey twizzlers we've got some chicken nuggets here we've got little mini pizzas oh what's that oh that oh that's uh that's tom's ass pebble sorry what oh yeah uh tom when tom has a hot curry he takes out the ziploc bag can i just ask what why have you why have you kept the ziploc bag against an open bag of smiley faces no they'll be fine though it's honestly he's bleached it he's bleached it after he took out of his sweaty ass crack number one i keep it in the gap like the garage freezer right so that's a that's a lot more it's a higher look it's well i'll show you it's a

taller free it's a chest freezer right taller one no not the chest the other one right yeah it sits on a shelf with other stuff that you know like we use for picnics and such okay you know it doesn't go toe-to-toe with any sort of food items. Okay, fine. But let me just say, man, I implore you to try it at least once. You know what? I'm going to tell you now, listening to you talk about it, it makes sense. It makes sense.

It's so fucking nice. What I don't understand is why is that better than an ice cube? Because the ice cube will melt and then you get fucking a wet old bum. Yeah, and then you just sort of clean up your bum, don't you? No, no, but the pebble, number one, keeps the cold. Fucking stone keeps cold

for ages. Does it retain the cold? Mate, that's why all fucking foreign houses are built out of stone, mate. You go into any foreign house, like, let me tell you, and I've just like,

it's 40 degrees outside, you're like, oh my God, how can I ever get out of this? You walk inside a nice old stone house, you're like, oh, bloody hell,

might need a jacket to come in here. That's the beauty of stone. That's why it's'd say i don't know i don't know what's happening this week in between but i don't know if you've taken like smart pills or something but everything you're saying sounds really compelling and like scientifically like sound to me man you know what i think it is like it's maybe fathered i know now that i need to pass down knowledge to grace that she needs do you know what this is the first time it's actually occurred to me that there is a vessel

that's going to be receiving this knowledge from you that poor girl it's going to be first boyfriend sorry sorry love what's this what's this stone in your freezer

that's my arse pebble silly actually sorry that's not my arse but that's my dad's one when he stays over. Yeah, it's alright if we... Dad's arse if we can keep his second pebble round here for when he does come round. His London pebble for when he goes...

That's amazing, man. Is that really genuinely a thing? Yeah, man. Honestly, it would change your life, brother. It would change your life. What did Catherine say about it when you first told her about it? For a while I kept it when you first told her about it? For a while, I kept it quiet. I was ashamed about it.

And then I think the fact it stopped me from moaning, it stopped me from crying. Can you walk around and have a normal day? I'm going to keep it in there all day. So how long do you keep it in there for? Until, look, I'd say it depends on the degrees of the burn, the fire, the entirety of yourself. I'd say 10, 15 the degrees of the burn, the fire, with the entirety of yourself. I'd say 10, 15 minutes, sit on the sofa,

really just let the pebble do its work. And then what difference does that make? Let me say, by the way, I can't say enough because I know people who have not spent the time to get a really nice, smooth pebble, and they've paid the consequences. They've paid the piper on that one. Well, it's very it's very delicate tissue around there isn't it yeah and uh so what did you what did you exactly do

that you're pretending to pass off on a friend of yours no no no no it's friend of mine did do that he got quite harshly sort of like i think there was even like a little what they call like a little well core see what they call that fuck off fuck off no no talking shit now. No, but you know the remnants are saying there's a little bit of harshness there. So when you put it in, it's just sort of like, yeah. What do you mean put it in? Because when you're doing that hand gesture, you're doing a ring. Yeah, the ring's

there, the pebble's here. So are you lodging it into the anus? No, no, no. The anus is literally in the pebble. Don't even come into contact. They're side by side. Your anus would almost say to the pebble, thanks for no, no. Look, look, the anus is literally in the pebble. Don't even come into contact. They're side by side. Like, your anus would almost say to the pebble, thanks for coming, mate. But he wouldn't open the door to him.

You know what I'm saying? You'd be out there, do your work outside. It feels like you want it right. But it's the anus that's hard, isn't it? Yeah, but the cornet, I don't know. I think it's more the butt cheeks. I'd be honest with you. I'd want the stone sort of knocking on the door.

By all means. If you could get it like a Labrador's little nose, like butting up to you, you can get it actually touching your ring. And you know it's good. But when you sit down, that's where you go. Because the last thing you want to do is A&E it. You don't have to go into A&E with a pebble at your butt.

No. No, you're absolutely right. No, I'm not suggesting insertion. No, no, no. I'm just saying like... Because also... I just want it butting up the nose. Let me say,

because that's where you probably need a little bit of grip around the pebble. You don't want a smooth pebble trying to get that out because you'll have no purchase on it. Oh my God, can you imagine? Just the more you pull it, the further it's going.

Oh my God! Just the stress of it is sucking it in more and more. Literally, your fingers get more and more sweaty. Just Lisa having to go to find a pair of pliers. I went smooth, Lisa, but I went ten smooth. He said you wanted no friction, but friction's the very thing I need right now.

You could get... The best pebble would be one that had like sort of a smooth I'd say three quarters smooth and a quarter that's quite harsh and you could just that would be great

do you know what if you were so inclined not a bad little business to start setting up yeah where you like you get a pebble you get a rough pebble

smooth an end of it you can have it as like a little pebble you know what we could do is we could start selling them we could get someone like one of one of our friends like from for the podcast go down to the beach find like a thousand pebbles all right like you could sandpaper like a quarter of it right so that's it we've got a little bit of purchase on it the rest is nice and smooth and then my face is like right on the front and it's like just saying like i'm here to call you

down baby and then yours is on the sort of more harsh gr just saying like i'm here to cool you down baby and then yours is on the sort of more harsh gritty end just going you know time to get out now mate honestly it will change your life yeah i'm gonna try it man i was really cynical initially and and when you said the pebble immediately my mate mind went, pebble that you stick in your arse, right? But I thought he can't mean that because he wouldn't have said that in such a relaxed way if he meant a pebble that you stick in your arse. Mate, I've been doing it for years. And let me tell you, I've told a number of people about this over the years.

I've quietly said to someone, you know, in a restaurant I've seen, it's only hot and spicy. You've said it while they're eating. Yeah. No, within my company, I've not walked eating something hot and spicy. Sort of, you know. You've said it while they're eating. Yeah, yeah. No, within my company, I've not walked up to a table of people I don't know and go, what have you got there, mate? Let me just tell you. Give yourself a pebble at home.

Put it in the fridge. Yeah, I've not done that, but I've told people in my company. And anyone I've told who's gone home and done it, revolutionised their life. So you've followed up? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All people have come up to me and literally just gone, uh, pint for the

big man, please. Uh, or whatever he's drinking. Uh, thank you. Thank you. Hmm. Okay. I'm going to try, I think I might try it. I kind of want, we're together next week, right? Let's go out. We'll get a spicy meal for you. We'll go find a pebble.

Yeah, we'll get a pebble before. You find a pebble yeah we'll get the pebble before you know maybe give Theo some pocket money to go down to Brighton yeah actually do you know what he started going out

and about with his mates a bit I might say to I might say to why don't you make it as a little thing for you to do at Brighton with your mates that'd be quite cool though

innit for them like who could get the best pebble yeah one of them comes back with a massive pebble go and find the best pebble for my dad's arsehole if you can. But, mate, honestly, anyone out there,

if it helps one person with that ring of fire, then I've done my job here. Yeah, well done. That's half an hour we've been talking about that for. Wow. Wow. Mm. So what's the other thing I need to say?

Oh, yeah. Thank you very much for uh everybody emailing in about avoid i've got a lot of emails about avoidance nice very well done by the way enjoyed episode well i'm going to try and watch it weekly weekly yeah well i think i believe i'm trying to binge stuff at the moment so just before i move on thank you so much for all of the comments about avoidance been really nice it's been a-inducing thing that I talked about last time, but the response has been amazing, so thank you very much.

Stranger Things. Do you watch Stranger Things? I've got it lined up to watch. I've watched every series up to now. Mate. It's meant to be amazing, right? This series of Stranger Things is a madness. Oh, my God.

I've just about... I've got a... Kefir doesn't like it, so I've got to find that time of my own to sit and watch it. Genuinely, when the last episode of this section, because I think it's like... I can't remember how many episodes, but there's a run of episodes in this first section

and then there's two finale episodes that are launching in June. Feature-length episodes, right? And the last episode, I think, is an hour and a half, the last one before this break, right? When I that episode it's all great i was watching that episode and i literally lisa and i go oh my god oh shit like we're watching a football match it was crazy i was like that's the last thing in the last series you know we're in the shopping precinct it's insane oh man i loved it man i need to Everyone keeps telling me how amazing it is. I need to see it. I love that show.

It's just so fucking good, right? Yeah, I watched that, which is incredible. And then yesterday, I went with Charlie and Lisa to go and watch Jurassic World Dominion. Wow. And

I love the Jurassic World. I love the Jurassic Park film. Jurassic World, Jurassic Park. You've been a big pusher of the dinosaur genre, right? I love it. Camp Cretaceous, even. I watched the animation as well. Love it.

Wow. Right? Really love it. Jurassic World, Dominion, it was fine. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You've gone, you're being very,

when you say it's fine, it's almost worse than saying it was tergit dog shit. Do you know what my problem is with Jurassic World Dominion? Is the dinosaurs are incidental to that film. Oh, really? It's like they're not even really the main storyline. The main storyline is something else. It's like...

It's, yeah. It's this horde of genetically engineered locusts are the main storyline and then while they're trying to sort all that out dinosaurs kind of get in the way the dinosaurs help the humans so no the thing about i i have a problem i'm not as bigger jurassic i watched the first ones never really got into it's not my vibe right but when you do an advert right and it's like this is the final of it all and it's like this is the big ending i'm like you better fucking leave it here mate you better leave it here seriously yeah i don't want it i don't want five years time it just go we thought it was over

but now we're back jurassic park 32 you know fucking t-rex's revenge they've sort of uh oh they've not let have they they let it open and did? No, no, they haven't. Like, it is a conclusion, but you could easily carry it on from there. That's my problem. I think all of, like, if you're going to say it's the end,

it has to be the end. Well, it might be. Yeah, but I will say now... What do you want them to say? Like, this is the end, I absolutely promise, swear down. No, no, no, but I'm saying the problem they have with those things, right,

is they'll say it's the last one and then they'll try some other stuff. They'll try fucking something with aliens or they'll try something with, I don't know, like fucking Bugs Bunny or some shit, right? And then they'll go... Look, mate, just keep your ideas to yourself, right? Because I think somebody might be getting a phone call

from the Jurassic World franchise. Yeah, hey, Tom. Colin Trevorrow here. Just, we're a massive fan of the Wolf and Owl podcast, and I've not mentioned it before, but listen, very excited about your alien Bugs Bunny idea for the next installment.

Well, it's basically Space Jam, but my point is this, right? It's like, let it be, man. Godfather 3. They're out there. They? It's like, let it be, man. Godfather 3, they're out there. They've batted. That's it. We're done.

That's why I was annoyed about, not annoyed, what an exaggeration. I was not happy about Toy Story 4. I thought they'd made a perfect trilogy. Have you seen Lightyear? No. I don't know if i want to see it because toy story has got just light year light year is i can't imagine light year being good i just can't but the problem is they've not used tim allen right no they've used uh it's chris evans which i sort of slightly have a problem like tim allen is buzz buzz light year for me yeah was he just the toy version of buzz

light year well i don't know but then the toy version of buzz lightyear is supposed to be based on the actual character yeah i have a little like tim adams being buzz lightyear for what nearly 20 years yeah 25 years i don't know when the first toy story came out and it feels like that's a bit of a harsh fucking kick in tim adams teeth i mean i'm sure yeah i just don't know i just don't know whether it's going to be um lightyear is going to be like because actual toy story is a comedy right yeah is it it's going to be... Lightyear's going to be... Because Toy Story's a comedy, right? Yeah. Is it? It's funny anyway. But Lightyear is a very serious...

It's a serious kids' thing. And I think this is meant to be like... This is the film that the toy is based on. So I don't know what that's going to be. Is it going to be like a straight action adventure? 1996 Toy Story came out. Wow, wow. Fuck. Which Toy Story was it when...

Spoilers ahead. But when they're all going down, it looks like they're all going to be melted in the flames. 1996 Toy Story came out. Wow, wow. Fuck. Which Toy Story was it when, and spoilers ahead, but when they're all like going down, it looks like they're all going to be melted in the flames. Three. That's three. See, that for me was, that was like, you know,

I'd say that's as good as anything I've ever seen in a cinema before. Mate, incredible. And then like the ending where he's handing the toys over and talking about what each of the toys are and what they do and stuff like that. This is exactly what I'm saying about, like, four, yeah,

four was a bit like, man. Four was entertaining, but, like, I don't need to see that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Also, it's, like, nice to sort of, like, leave the cinema and think every now and again you sit there and you've got a coffee and you're looking out in your garden or whatever or, you know, sort of on a bike just sort of, like, tramping through the city in which you live and you think, oh, and you're looking out in your garden or whatever or, you know, sort of on a bike just sort of like tramping through the city

in which you live and you think, oh, I wonder what I'll buddy a buzzer up to these days. And then you think, well, I've probably been passed to another owner now. Yeah, as long as you don't say that out loud to everyone you're with, I think that's absolutely fine. One of the things that – this is quite sad to admit, but when I used to watch like Lion King or Toy Story or whatever, maybe Toy story is a

bit late for this but it's just i actually feel like cringy saying it i would actually sort of be upset that that world didn't exist for me to go and visit and be in do you know what i mean finding nemo little mermaid all that shit yeah man it's like that's why disney's so amazing just because for a little bit and that's probably why childhood's amazing. Yeah, you're right, that's good. It's a little bit of belief. I think we've nailed there why childhood's amazing. Soda's brought to you by Secret. Secret deodorant gives you 72 hours of clinically proven odor protection, free of aluminum, parabens, dyes, talc, and baking soda.

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Order up for Rebelsis. Should we go into some emails, my G? Let's do it, my bubba. First episode of series two congratulations to anybody getting selected for this little thing hold you in my arms and hold you dear yo this is from the ginger jellyfish and the ginger jellyfish says dear wolf owl and swan thanks for everything you do for your listeners and support you in the pandemic you really helped me escape the mundanity of life at the time i currently have a big presentation coming up at work but i suffer badly from a

crippling anxiety of talking to big crowds due to the nature of your work i'd really like to learn if you ever suffered from fear of public talking and if so how you managed to overcome it any trips tips and trips and trips and tricks and trips would be much appreciated much love to you both the ginger jellyfish i don't think my brain's working very well this morning. I can't even talk. I can't talk. It's a hard one, isn't it? Because our job, although you're talking to people,

is slightly different from a big seminar or when you've got to talk. You do stand-up, though, don't you? Yeah, but even with stand-up, it's slightly different. I've never, ever done public speaking that's not stand-up. I know some people have when I talk to certain other acts and they've done stuff within that. Yeah, and it's... Even at school, they've got...

It's given them some sort of confidence or they've learnt a sort of skill through that. I've never... Like, you know, I suppose even for you when you're a teacher, right? Like, you stand in front of a class. Well, you do take lessons, but I used to take assemblies as well because I said a six-part. Did you?

Yeah. How was that? That must have be a tough crowd well they're just so bored aren't they is that what you do your raps and stuff no no i did do it i've heard stories of you doing like raps in front of assemblies and stuff no there was a there was a there was a there was a karaoke oh gosh there used to be this six form karaoke thing that i took part in, and I rapped at that. And actually, we did like a little 8 Mile style bundle at the end of it.

You know what's the worst thing about it? What? Like, for a moment, you sounded cringy, and then when you mentioned 8 Mile, your shoulders got straighter and you looked quite, like, cool. No, no, I took no pride in it at all. The saddest thing about it was i actually knocked the microphone into my mouth and chipped my tooth really yeah and you know the thing about it though is whenever

i've spoken to anyone who's there right because someone's come up to me before i mentioned it and told me to mention it on this podcast um uh who told you that one of the old students i don't remember their name they came up and said oh you, you have to ask Romesh about this. But they actually remember it was such relish and such like it was one of their happiest memories. That's very nice. Well, that is a really damning indictment of their time at school. But doing assemblies was quite nerve wracking

when I first started doing them. Mate, I used to say, I remember once we used to get the six forms to like, they would take, do you ever have it where your class would take a turn at doing an assembly? Did you ever have that? No, no, I used to say, I remember once we used to get the six forms to like, they would take, do you ever have it where your class would take a turn at doing an assembly? Did you ever have that? No, no, no. So we had the school that I taught at, each of the six form classes would have a turn in doing an assembly. And so one of the classes, one of the forms, their assembly was on Valentine's Day.

And so they did their assembly all about Valentine's Day, right? And one of the things was they talked about how people bought presents for their for their pets that's one of the things they talked about and then the next thing they talked about is how much contraception gets bought valentine's day and then i went up afterwards and i was closing off the assembly and i said interesting sequencing for that talking about huh yeah headlining closing it closing it out that's how i would have posted about on instagram delight to close this assembly roofed it had a great time headlining um and then i said uh oh really great interesting sequencing there of that assembly talking about buying presents for your pets just before talking

about what how much contraception gets bought and just like as a little sort of light joke and then the the the the sixth form of the crowd my favorite thing is you just about said crowd mate that was because no no no hold on in my defense yeah the fucking crowd went crazy in my defense for the last 10 years i've been performing to crowds right so i've slipped in by the sounds things for the last 15 or 16 so anyway look the stadium the headline anywhere before yeah yeah st martin's so anyway the the the audience in east hall uh hazelwick started laughing and then my mate who was like one of the other teachers just looked at me as if to say i don't think you should have made that joke mate do you mean like every now and again i would make

sort of like i would do you know you'd push it a little bit and then you'd hope that they don't think you should have made that joke mate do you know what I mean like every now and again I would make sort of like I would do you know you'd push it a little bit and then you'd hope that they don't mention it to any other teacher you were like the you were like the Carlin

or the Richard Pryor of assemblies yeah like a lot of kids would sort of go fucking hell you going to school you going to school today yeah fucking

yeah I'm not going to bunk today it's Romesh who's doing his assembly yeah it's Mr Anger Nathan's assembly today so you know what that's you know what that means so my ideas are going to get today. It's Romesh who's doing his assembly. Yeah, it's Mr. Anger Nathan's assembly today. So you know what that means. So my ideas are going to get turned upside down. Yeah, but three weeks ago he said bloody. So yeah, it's fucking cool, man.

He actually went to say fuck, but then he actually just did a pause where fuck would go. It was mad. And then roofed it, man. Absolutely roofed it. Did he do his animal stuff? Yeah, yeah, he did the contraception animals. It didn't really work because no one had talked about it beforehand but uh yeah he keeps

doing that same joke you know anyway so the only uh the only thing i did at work was it was a bit like that was selling on market stores we'd have to have a bit of confidence right that was a similar sort of thing i guess you had to have a little bit of swag about you there yeah well let me say this to to you uh ginger jellyfish what you need to do first of all one of the mistakes that people make when they're or not mistakes it's not a mistake one of the things that people do that makes them more nervous is they assume that the audience are against them and and they're not actually they're they're on side and they're they're just wanting to have as pleasant a time as they possibly can and it'd be all right so you need to try and visualize them as rather as a group of people that you need to

try and impress they're a group of people that you are just talking to and you're all on the same side here and so they want you to do well and you want to do well and this is what i think you need to do if you're suffering from crippling anxiety, there are some tips, right? And these are my tips. One of the things that makes you look incredibly nervous if you two biggest enemies, I would say. So in order to avoid doing that, I would absolutely prepare your ass off, like to the point where you're sick of it, to the point where you can't quite deal with reading it again. You need to be absolutely living and breathing

what you're about to deliver and doing it in the position you plan to do it. So up, looking out, set up your living room like the space and and practice practice practice right when i first started doing stand up i would like grab a hairbrush and pretend it was a microphone and like talk and you know going through all of those motions getting yourself in that thing of like so that when you go into that space do that talk you've done those movements before you're gonna do something you've done 20 30 40 times before at home and so there is no unknown you just do exactly what you're supposed to do and you do it that's what i did when i was doing

live at the apollo remember like the first time i did live with the apollo i was shitting myself but i practiced that set so much that i literally, it was almost like muscle memory. I just delivered the set and it didn't matter how the audience responded. I was going to deliver it like I was having a great gig because I'd practiced my ass off to do it. I don't have to do that anymore because just because of experience, but that is definitely a great way of, of,

of overcoming. I'd say as well, don't think about them naked. That's the worst bit of advice I've ever got. No, here's that. Just picture them naked. Don't do that bit of advice I've ever got. Just picture them naked. Don't do that. Yeah, awful.

Because it takes up too much of your mind. You start to focus on one person, it becomes creepy how much you're looking at them. Do you know what I mean? That's the other thing is don't look at, or don't start playing it to one person. That's the worst thing. Don't zone in on one person. The other night I did, I just finished my tour, right? I just did four nights in Northampton.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. Shout out, man. Well done. The second night in Northampton, maybe, I can't remember, it doesn't matter which night it was, fucking, I'm sounding like bloody I'm doing this assembly again. Anyway, there was a woman, oh, God. There was a woman that had obviously been dragged along

to come and watch the show. She was sat right at the front. She was with her other half, and her other half looked really happy and she looked so fucking miserable. Like she did not laugh once. And that's fine because you might not find me funny. I get that. What she

also didn't do was applaud anything. Really? At all. So she sat there, hands on her lap, occasionally, genuinely started looking at her phone. Do you know what I mean? That's the worst. And if somebody looks at their phone, I do think that's quite rude.

Yeah, especially if they're out and it's live entertainment. That's not good. Yeah, it's quite rude to the performer. But what I thought to myself was, I don't know the circumstances under which she's been brought in. She looks so angry and upset to be there. I thought the last thing I want to do now is go. Yeah, but that's,

yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you're going to say, but you can't zone in on it. But that's what I mean about like, you can like when you're on stage, that's the worst thing you can do.

It's just like, you zone in. Number one, because naturally you're going to zone in on someone who's not on the same fucking ether as everyone else. You're going to like, yeah, clock someone who's not look like, looks like they don't enjoy it. Yeah. It's the's the worst thing man it's just when you zone in and then

you're like you end up almost having a conversation with that one person oh my god it's like because luckily in the past i've spent my i would have spent my show trying to make her laugh or try and play to her now i know you've got to tune that out and just do the rest of the show because that person's come here to not like you. What can you do? Or that, you know, you don't know what

happened, man. Her cat could have died on the way there. Yeah, you've got no idea. She might have gone through

something before she arrived there. Yeah, and then someone's talked to say, oh look, Romesh will cheer you up. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, Ginger Jellyfish, I hope that helps. We spent most of the time talking about our own experiences in a

very self-indulgent way there, but I hope that's, in some way, that's helped you. Keep swimming. Keep doing you, yo. Yeah way uh that's keep swimming keep doing you yo yeah absolutely do keep swimming okay this is from the eel yeah um this is hi captain ron major tom and the elegant swan

oh major tom wow i like that yeah you ignore captain ron and the Elegant Swan? No, no, no. I'm just saying. Yeah, no, I'm just saying that. I like Major Tom. Round control to Major Tom. That might be... I might get out of the back of the football shirt. I reckon seven things I've done on this podcast today that I regret. That was one of them.

Really? Yeah. We're due to move house this summer, but we're still at an early stage. Our previous move last year to our dream home fell through at the last minute, literally three days before. And we're fully packed and ready to go. It was was a crushing blow and it took a long time to get

over psychologically as we invested a lot of time into the move we have young kids and i made all the plans for switching schools and getting ready for living in a new area i'm trying my best not to get ahead of myself this time but i'm struggling not to fall in the same trap i want it to be an exciting time but mine is all over the place and keeps racing ahead do you have any advice of how i can stay in the moment, not look too far ahead and not build up something so big in my mind that if it falls through again

it'll be another crushing blow? So far, the only advice people seem to give is if it's meant to be then it all will be okay but it's wearing thin now. I'm looking to the wolf for some sound advice.

Okay, well that's my first weapon. Absolutely fucking dethroned. Without stating the obvious, I know moving out is very stressful but we want one more move to see what it was hopefully

our forever house. Thanks so much for your help. The eel. Yo, the eel. Shout out, yo. Let me just say... Shout out, yo. I love the way you did that. The problem... Number one, I hate that. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be. I completely agree with you, because it's

a kind of... It's sort of like you can't do anything about it. Look, me and Catherine had exactly this situation. We were having a house sort of built. We were having a new build done a couple of years ago, which was sort of our dream home. We'd sort of picked everything and then everything fell through, basically. The guy who was buying it off was not great.

It was all just an absolute fuckfest, really. But we'd sort of spent 18 months sort of getting ourselves into a position where this was everything. It was our dream house. It was a dream area. Yeah, it fell through. And, you know, for a while, like yourselves,

it was a real... We were then essentially for, I think, nearly a year or so, we had nowhere to live. We were then trying to find a new place, whatever. It was quite a tough time for both of us. But I think that the year or so we had nowhere to live. We were then trying to find a new place, whatever. It was quite a tough time for both of us. But I think that the hardest thing is when any disappointment, any sort of scenario in life comes along, it's really, really easy then to just sort of like fear anything else good

never happening again. You're constantly going, oh, that shit. You don't want to get excited by things. So you become quite negative about things. You're waiting for things to fall through. You're waiting for things to go wrong. and then you get yourself into quite a negative frame of mind i think you kind of gotta go let's get into this let's enjoy the excitement without trying to run before you can walk because what you don't want to do is just be waiting constantly for

that email that text that comes through we we did it ourselves and it became very taxing our relationship because we were constantly waiting for something to fall through constantly waiting for something to go wrong it was the same you know without getting too into like when everything was going with grace you know you sort of yeah we were going through a different way of having a child than normal and I think I certainly spent nine ten months of just constant anxiety like really like I look back now and go fucking hell like I could have enjoyed stuff that fucking hell like i could have enjoyed stuff that little bit more i could have been more like relaxed about things like culminating you know before grace was born i was so anxious and so stressed out and so like which isn't really

me and i've got to a point and i'm just i think hopefully now coming out the back of that it's like when you get any kind of anything that happens in life that's a knock it's really easy to think when will anything good happen again? But good things happen, bad things happen. That's just life. And it's knowing how to navigate between those two. Great, great. Honestly, Tom, I'm loving what you're doing on this episode, man.

Oh, brother, brother, thank you. Great advice. Great advice. I had something quite similar. When I was doing Asian Provocateur, so 2015. Just before that, before I left, Lisa had found this dream house that she wanted to move into. And so we made an offer on it. We had the offer accepted, and then I went away.

But the problem was, because I was self-employed and my income had been quite erratic, it's quite difficult to get a mortgage so then um off the curb our agents they said oh we've got someone that can can help you out this broker right and this guy that can consider the mortgage and he deals specifically with people like you that are in your situation so anyway while i was in sri lanka doing agent provocateur basically bank after bank were saying no to giving us a mortgage for this amount on this house right and then the vendor was coming back to us and going look I need

to we need to move on on this we need to move on on this and then eventually Lisa phoned me and she's really upset in the middle of like you know when you're in this mad situation I was like in the middle of Sri Lanka about to meet this uncle I'd never met before in my life and then like lisa was like phoning up she's going like the vendor saying that they want to speak to you otherwise they're going to pull out

this right so um and we still hadn't got the mortgage sorted out so i i i sent them a message and i said look i'm really i'm a bit struggling to speak at the moment because i'm on this on i'm doing this thing the time difference is a bit mad and the schedule is a bit mad, but please, please, can you hold out? And look, we really do want this house.

Anyway, by the time we got the mortgage approved, the vendor decided to pull out of the house. Right. And they sent me quite a shitty text message going, I think the way that you've conducted yourself has been unacceptable and blah, blah,

blah. And even though it was a shitty text message, I did still, I did still kind of get it from their point of view. Cause I thought you thought you've conducted yourself has been unacceptable and blah, blah, blah. And even though it was a shitty text message, I did still, I did still kind of get it from their point of view. Cause I thought you thought you've sold your house and then you feel like you're getting messed about and you know, it's not, it's not their fault that I'm in Sri Lanka and can't speak to them or whatever.

Do you know what I mean? So I do get it in a way, but it was a really shitty text message. It was like, you know, I think you need to think about the way that you deal with people and blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, we get the mortgage through. And I said to Lisa while, while I was like, you know, I think you need to think about the way that you deal with people and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, we get the mortgage through. And I said to Lisa, while I was away, because I was going to be away for another few weeks, I said to her, find a house that you like and just put an offer in. I don't need to see it, right? Just find a house you like. Anyway, thankfully, Lisa found a house that she really loved, loved more than the other one, put an offer in, and we ended up moving into that house, right? The week after we had the offer accepted and the mortgage went through and everything was going into place that original guy texts me saying um look is it possible to open this up again

because obviously i don't know what had happened in the interim burnt his bridges and now you weren't going to cross again a hundred percent that. That's exactly right. I mean, I just thought, I know this is bad. This is really bad, but it felt so good. Yeah, of course it did. That's the bad part of you admitting that.

That is a bad part of you admitting that. Yeah, but it isn't, it isn't, man, because he didn't need to send a horrible text. But buying a house and all that shit is fucking hard, man. Like,

and no one in the world, right? Like, no, no, you and Lisa aren't doing a thing where you're entering into buying a house just to go you know what we might do this week let's try and buy a house try and get a mortgage so we can fuck someone over it's like the most stressful thing waiting for a mortgage to come for it's so it's stressful trying to sell a house it's stressful

trying to buy but the easiest thing in all of these situations always think is put yourself in the other person's position very often your anger will dissipate if you put yourself in the other person's position but anyway none of that take it back to the greatest showman yeah you think about that film right he thought this was his dream he thought that was his dream his dream was this all along it was something different sometimes your dreams that you've got inside your head aren't the dreams that actually you want to fulfill sometimes your dreams well just keep your powder dry keep your powder dry because we're about to do the wrap-up here and you're going to regret that okay okay uh so the eel uh what i would say to you is this uh moving into a

house i know it's disappointing for you that that's what's happened you're in a similar position as people are when they're like they're falling in love right is that what you have to do is despite what past evidence has told you you've got to go all in on this next thing and believe it's going to happen and that is what you've got to do but you know i know you said that you said you get annoyed by people saying if it's meant to be then all will be okay but that is the truth of it the truth is your concern and your worry about all going tits up. OK. Is not helping you. All right. It's not helping you in this moment. In this moment, the moves going ahead. So you've got to be in this moment.

You've got to enjoy it. You've got to enjoy the excitement without worrying about the disappointment of whether it might not happen. And if it doesn't happen, I'm telling you, man, it will still be fine. That's what you've got to remember. If it doesn't happen, you'll find somewhere else. You're moving somewhere else, or you'll decide to extend your current place. Some other solution will reveal itself,

and it will be absolutely fine. The mistake people make is think, if this doesn't go right, or if this doesn't go this way, I'm never going to be happy, or this is going to be awful it just what it's just not the case okay so enjoy what the process trust the process everything will be absolutely fine all right my g you got this you know what would be nice is if you know and when everything happens and it goes well um me and maurice will send you like a picture of me and him to have to have you put on your mental piece or some shit. Okay.

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and its official partners Air Canada and Mastercard. All right, Tom. Time's up, my G. Yo. Can you please take us out of this little ting? You know, education can come from many places. A cool, edgy teacher standing on a stage, rapping and cracking jokes to an assembly hall full of kids

with like-minded feelings within their souls. It can come from an elderly man telling a young child yo this is how you cross a road for sure it can come from so many different places recently i had my eyes enlightened at a wedding i got chatting to a traveler fella good man very chilled nice guy and through this whole conversation, I was quite anxious. I was quite worried about quite a lot of different things. And he says to me, brother, you're an anxious guy. You worry about everything, don't you?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm anxious about this. I started telling him all my problems. And then he just said, stop. I don't worry about anything. I don't worry about a thing at all in my life. And I'm like, really? How do you get through life? He said, i don't worry about anything i don't worry about a thing that's all my life and i'm like really how do you get through life he said i have a worry then i put it back to the back of my head because you can spend so much time worrying about things and being anxious about

things that are going to happen in a week or a month or two years down the line and you worry so much about that thing you worry about you know will your child get on at school will your house be able to sell will this you're going to be able to sell your car is that job interview you're going to go through is that job going to be the best you worry about so many different things and then that thing either goes well or it just goes away and all that worry is nothing really and you could have just been standing in the room just making fart sounds the point is this get your worries get your anxiety put them in order think about them and i've i've started doing that a little bit and you know what it's been an easier place to live in

my head since i've been doing that so my point is this learn love laugh encapsulate the worry really great sort of less surreal than some of the ones in the past but but useful very useful and you know apparently by the way that guy was called big creamy shout out man okay apparently when you um when you start uh thinking about something sort of think about a problem and then don't sort it out it actually causes like a an ongoing stressor in your in the back of your mind sometimes you can have like it's like a plate spinning thing do you know what i mean like and actually it does create a bit of kind of i don't know like background noise in your head so like you know sometimes when those start to get too much you it starts affecting everything you're doing you can't even have a chat with

somebody because you feel like you've got this overwhelming kind of i've been it's killed my brain yeah the amount of anxiety and like, I'd say I was like up to about a week and a half ago, almost chronic with so much different, like one thing led to another and I got myself in such a, this was with like, you can get, you can get overwhelmed.

You can get overwhelmed really easily. And I think that kind of rationalizing it and going, okay, well, what am I often Lisa would do do this and she'll go well what exactly are you worried about can you put into words what you know what the real situation is here and then i'll say to her and then she'll go well what do you want to do about that i mean like actually you start to realize that these things are easily workable do you mean but what

happens is you go ding that things i'm worried about the thing ding i'm worried about this thing ding i'm worried about the thing and these things just fucking go on and on and on and then suddenly you're like oh god this is so stressful and the thing is i'm talking like i've got it mastered tomorrow i could be like that even though i know do you know what i mean even though i know what i think i need to do to tackle it you give me a couple of days of being a bit tired and things going a bit against me i'll be fucking right back in it and that's the thing you never really beat it or i certainly haven't no you don't beat but then you know what every time that i feel like i'm going down into that place i think a big creamy leaning forward taking a sip from his pint of stellar and looking me in the eye and i think you know what i have no control over that thing that tiny little

thing that's become a mountain i have no control whether that happens that way or that way so in essence what i have to kind of do is just go if it happens have i got the minerals to deal with it i hope so if it doesn't happen i've not really spent the last fucking month worrying about it so exactly exactly right you're worrying about it does absolutely nothing to help it um look guys sorry we've done a little debrief after the closing thoughts there. Take care of yourselves and each other. And remember, however you're running through life,

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