Wolf and Owl - S2 Ep 13: Radio Jobs & Roller Coasters

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

We’re back baby! And kicking things off with… early career radio jobs, kids TV show presenting, holidaying at home, celebrity SAS, the pleasure of fast-track tickets, a bizarre sock-thieving incident and traumatic roller coaster experiences. Then we answer some more of your emails, this week on keep in contact with friends, playing rude lyrics around kids and having to downsize your home. For questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch - https://wolfandowlpod.com/ A Shiny Ranga Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Bring your weak shit, wear the wolf and owler That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder Like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship, let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon You'll see nothing, all you hear is a huff of puff And a... Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping

Impressive in it, the death bringing, it's head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song Is about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog okay we ready yeah hit it up um wow i was expecting you to come motoring in no but i wanted i wanted to go the opposite way wow two weeks we've been out of your lives two week break another but the first two week break we've ever taken baby yeah it's the first time we've had a break where it's an official break

rather than just yeah was it an official break I think so I think someone put out that we're having two weeks off okay fine

anyway welcome we're back bitches all for now back up in your growl flying and growling we in the foul end all for now back up in your growl flying and growling winging and fouling

winging and fouling yeah winging and fouling fouling's pooing right yeah yeah sure yeah alright guys back in the room thank you so much

for your patience bearing with us I don't know how often do we address the listener like thank you for your patience listeners listener listeners no you thank you for your patience yeah i think you've got to thank people thank you the person who's listening thank you for being you thank you for being true thank

you for being righteous you know when you do radio yeah you're not allowed to go all the listeners out well you're not you're allowed to you're allowed to do pretty much whatever you want but you're not you're not supposed to go to the listeners out there you know you're allowed to you're allowed to do pretty much whatever you want but you're not you're not supposed to go to the listeners out there you're supposed to talk to the person as if they're the only person does that make sense really so yeah you're not supposed to go listeners are everyone out there blah blah so let me just say to you yeah you sitting there listening to this right now, thank you for your patience, but congratulations, we're back. You know, radio-wise, right? You do a radio show now, right?

You've got the hip-hop show. Yeah, for the love of hip-hop on BBC Radio 2, BBC Sounds, yeah. Yeah, shout out, Ron, and hip-hop vibes. You know, doing radio is my first foray into this gig, into the world of show. Go on, tell me about it it i did a show on six music yeah called big six music so this is big all right okay i thought you're gonna tell me

you're doing like radio walk shot or something like that no no no six music um yeah called big tom and conrad uh and uh basically how did you get this gig by the way for john i'm old for john larkway old agent so um i was working uh i was still working on the building sites and then it was a friday or saturday night we used to do this this radio show big tom and comrade and um when i first turned up i was asking to get cash in hand for the bbc genuinely i was like it was only one night i remember like i remember like doing stuff for the bbc and like when you do those initial bits and you're broke

and the BBC seemed to take ages to like get the money sorted like yeah like I was used to getting paid in a pub on a Friday exactly

all of a sudden it's like oh can you invoice and can you do I was like stuff I'd never heard of before but basically

this guy Nick Conrad is kind of fascinating he he a very very posh guy he was a Tory he actually became a Tory politician

I think it was like a month and a half and then he got like thrown out for making some quite weird comments I can't quite remember what i'd have but this is long before all that happened um john noel had a habit of putting talent together he'd go right you and you get together and i think you're gonna make gold so he puts in we did a pilot that sort of worked because i was working class he was quite posh and um from there it just yeah it kind of sort of he he didn't want to do any work at all

like so he just turned up he didn't like any sort of music he had no he hated like you know he hated modern music yeah he he sort of liked sort of political newsy sort of stuff which i knew nothing it was honestly there's really the more you talk the more this sounds like the ideal combination it was the worst. I'd say it was like an hour and a half to two hours, I think the show was. And we were on at like 10 o'clock, 11 at night. And it was just like, yeah, it was terrible. We did it for like a year. Did you get any, because the thing about radio is like,

you don't really hear a lot back about how you're doing, do you? Do you know what I mean? No, no. So you've got no idea. You sort of feel like you might be shouting into the void. Unless you're getting them to text in or email in on the day we were getting them to text in just no one did it was like the first like first thing i'd like i'd ever done and so i threw everything that i had it like i was doing so i was working like still working on the building site so i was just

thinking oh this could be my way out or i was doing that and gigging do you know i mean stand up so it's just like just trying to make it work and obviously six music at that time on the building site. So I was just thinking, oh, this could be my way out. Or I was doing that in a gig and do you know what I mean? Stand up. So it's just like, just trying to make it work. And obviously six music at that time, it still was like the launch pad for quite a few different comics getting their sort of way into the, into the world.

So, um, yeah, that was the first ever time I got told that something wasn't going to be recommissioned. Was it, were you gutted? Yeah,

obviously you sort of, but then also I knew it wouldn't, I was, I was working really hard to make it work and he played it no heed at all and like I say he was sort of he's one of those people you just come across who sort of actually had a bit of talent

but just was just like being a politician was probably the sort of thing that I think was probably the most apt for him. I did a radio show very early on for a Brighton radio station called Juice FM. Look, radio, why do they come up with these, like,

where I come from is Radio Jackie. Yeah. So I had to do, I was doing a show, a weekly show, but I couldn't I didn't have enough time to go every week so we'd we'd record

four shows in a day wow and then like and then they'd obviously I was about to explain what then happened

they'd then play the recordings over the next but so it was all current affairs like four weeks down the line yeah it was all so topical but the producer

they'd got like a work experience go like a really young new guy yeah and he was having to prep four shows in a day right and um basically it was too much work for him so i would turn up and watch a guy in his 20s try not to have a breakdown in front of me as we did these four shows was it just you on your own yeah but i did interviews and stuff like that. But it was just me. And then we would do all the links and everything like that. And then I learned all this stuff about throwing back

and throwing forward. Like, coming up later, we've got a little bit of Arctic Monkeys. But first, I wish it was a little bit taller. Ski low, or whatever. You're allowed to get, like, two hip-hop tracks in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, oh, Rom, two hip-hop tracks in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, oh, Rom, just so you know, in that month, you played three there.

So can we play it in the next month? Yeah, we don't want people thinking it's a specialist show. And I remember just thinking, like, it was so much work for so little anything. I mean, obviously, I didn't get paid very much because it's, like, a local radio station. But it wasn't even that. It was just, like, I might as well shout this out the window like this is like i mean look at least with your one

you were on your own so and you were doing it on your so you were getting those skips i felt like i was you know the producer you're talking about yeah i felt like i'd be on i'd be like laboring right during the week and looking at papers in the in the sort of like and everyone like on the site would rip me all the other blokes go uh you're doing your radio show mate at the weekend like literally it was like the muggiest thing they could ever think of do you know what i mean it's like um that's you're doing some heavy lifting there that's what you call heavy lifting boy but i was that guy so i was turning up on a sort of saturday like late afternoon early evening going for all the stuff that we'd be doing.

And he just walks in and just sort of like, and I was like, oh yeah, did you see that stuff I said about? And he'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. We're just going to go down this road. I think I'm going to go down this way. Oh my God. You were, you know what I've just discovered?

You were the owl of that radio show. And I promised from that moment never to be an owl again. I've done a little bit of prank i thought we'd get people to text in to say what's been their most difficult journey nothing is more like like when i get when we get feedback on this podcast it blows my mind right but i've seen i've been i think probably something you have as well but i've been on the other side of it when you turn around right and this is like

at least with you you're in Brighton I'm on Six Music at the time Six Music is in its pump right I know when I'm walking around the desk

at Six Music I've got the worst show on that station right I know that I'm not only a joke all week on the building site

that when I turn up at Six Music I'm a joke there as well so when I turn up it's like you're literally walking around and then you do a thing of going oh well that's that's hilarious obviously everyone remembers terry nutkins um so just texting any jokes or maybe you've met him before nothing nothing so then the producer turns around and goes um oh um maybe we should just sort

of make up some texts and just pretend that someone's texting. Oh, no. And then you sort of see her hurriedly texting away and then go, we've got a text. And it would be like some fucking awful story that hopefully would incite some conversation. And in many ways, that's the model for this, isn't it? Us making up various sort of emails. It's like, oh, thank you so much to the podcast. We spent longer writing

fucking emails for this show than we do for our actual sitcom that's why we had to take a two week break I was fucking behind on making up the emails I think that

alongside the almost indignifying thing I've had to do is like I did a kids TV show right and

I was playing a genie in it right so like the genie from aladdin um uh so that was painted blue with this blue sort of body paint right um what channel was this on well he's like a pilot for cb yeah yeah so they just wanted to get into character cbb radio i don't really i don't really know what i've got to do the blue again no honestly tom we just think it'll help you feel sort of more genius three-year-old sitting there going this guy's not blue i can tell his voice he sounds depressed but um so they paint me all over blue right with all this like sort of gold stuff in my beard and stuff like a smurf

from your nightmares yeah like if the bfgs painted himself blue to get to a smurf party oh hello chefy hello papa smurf you're too big to be a smurf um and then like the end of the day comes and everyone's packing up and stuff and I was like where can I get like a shower where can I get washed off to get

like you know clean and get get this body paint off and they went oh there's no showers here I was like what do you mean there's no showers

honestly Ron right we're filming somewhere out in Cratchend North London I had to get back to Malden

right and then back from Malden get the bus to Sutton in I was like in blue body paint what time of the day was this? this is about 6 o'clock

in the afternoon now it's like rush hour oh my god so they just think that you've been on a mad you've been on a mad night out you've let it get away from you mate if it was a mad night out

there'd be no the blue it'd be I was pristine you know what I hope that people thought I was it was you know those guys? I hope that people thought I was. There was one of those guys you see in Leicester Square

who's sort of like paused. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then you walk fast like that. Hopefully that's what I thought. It was just people staring and sniggering. And no one... This is a weird thing. No one went, why are you blue?

Everyone was just making up their own... No, because they don't care. They don't care. Because the thing is... They can't not to laugh. Because there's going to... What think... That's a laugh. What follows that is a long story. And I, yeah,

absolutely have a lot of desire to watch that. And no one wants a long story with someone who seems like the biggest shaft in the world. You know what I'm going to do? Paint myself blue and get on this fucking tube at rush hour.

Do you know where I'll start, Chats? Just paint myself completely blue. It's an easy way because someone will go to you and say, what's going on with the paint there so I'll let you in on it you're in a conversation

so what have you been up to we have been speaking off camera off mic I went away last week I went to holiday in England last week I went to Norfolk last week and yeah lovely Norfolk's beautiful week. I went to Norfolk last week. And yeah, lovely, lovely Norfolk.

Norfolk's beautiful, isn't it? Shout out Norfolk. Yeah, of course. These are all the things that you're sort of programmed to say whenever you've been somewhere. What made you choose Norfolk? It's not that far from the house. We thought, you know, it would be quite nice to go.

Great little restaurants. Took Gracie to the beach. Does it feel like holiday when it's close to your house the reason I'm asking this question is there are rumours that the centre parks

is going to be opened up right near my house right I would say yeah five minutes away so now here's a question for you as you know

Lisa and I when we're feeling a little bit flush we'll go to the centre parks yeah with the kids yeah

not for dirty weekends you and Lisa just get kicked out of watching other families have fun do you fancy fancy staying

in a treehouse babe do you fancy doing a zip wiring and seeing what happens maybe a little

bit of archery if you're feeling really through you know what I'm feeling a little bit sassy. I fancy a bit of that climbing wall. Anyway, so we go to the one in Woburn.

Yeah. Right? Big hit. It's great. It's great. If you don't mind setting fire to money, Centre Parcs is great, right? Yeah.

Would you go to the one near your house is the question I'm asking. I've got one quite near me. We haven't been yet because at the moment we would be would be doing that you've answered your question yeah no no no yeah once grace is a little bit out at the moment it would be insane to take it like you know it's too close though right you want to feel like you're going on holiday how close you're talking it's going to be to your house like five minute drive i'm going to say you can have a holiday in your own home if you want you you shut out the exterior bullshit, right?

Yeah. And I think holidays are a state of mind. I think literally you shut out the exterior bullshit, and you just put yourself, you switch a switch in your head that says, oh, we're in holiday mode. And if you tell yourself you're in holiday, have a little lay in, do you know what I mean? Just basically care less about the small things in life.

You're in holiday mode. Do you know what? I would love to be a fly on the wall when you're pitching this to Kat. She's like... You hand her a card. You know you wanted a little break, babe? Open that.

She's thinking it's fucking all-inclusive in Barbados. Just opens a card. Dear Kat, holiday is a state of mind. Love, Tom. Walk up the stairs and you're going to be

in the Barbados of your head. No, I think... I'm going to be your waiter for the evening. You know, one of the things that I've watched a bit of, because Catherine loves reality... Catherine's obsessed with reality TV.

I mean and I I'm throwing her under the bus so I love it myself but I'm watching that Fern McGann new bit like new mum

I think it's called Fern McGann first time mum or something like that oh okay by the way I'm going to shout out Fern McGann

she's incredible I like Fern McGann she's got a real way about her she's very feisty you've said you've said four very different things about her you said shout out Fern McGann she's absolutely incredible she's got a way about her she's very feisty you've said you've said four very different things about

her he said shout out firm again she's absolutely incredible she's got a way about her yeah yeah she's yeah and she's feisty and i'm not but i think the feistiness is good by the way you've talked about her for about 30 i've got no idea what it is you're getting at with firm again no i just thought i think i think i've been watching her and she's on at the moment she's on sas right which i'll get to in a minute and she's on new uh firm firm again first time mom okay uh but she did a thing with her other half where they had someone come around and cook for them and they both he got he was in a tuxedo and she was like in a ball gown and they had like a proper three-course meal in their house yeah i've seen this i would do that oh i'd Basically, a chef turns up at your gaff, right?

And then like, yeah, I'd like to do that. Yeah. I think you can have a holiday in your house. That's the state of mind. But I think having a like fine dining experience.

At the moment, my front room is just literally just strewn with, even when you clear shit up, there's just shit around. There's toys everywhere. What is it? Just like toys,

rubbish, disused ass pebbles. Disused ass pebbles actually somebody emailed us in they've done um i'll find the email a bit later but they've done us personalized ass pebbles oh my i've seen them yeah yeah they're incredible nice yeah i've by the way i gigged with ed gamble i hope you won't mind me naming him he's so disgusted about the ass pebble thing well what did he? He's just literally disgusted by it. We gigged together. Yeah, but that's not a fault of his. It is disgusting.

And I said to him, this is my favourite. It's like going, oh, you're not going to fucking believe me. You're not going to believe me. Ed Gamble thinks it's weird to eat your own shit. He said he put him off hearing us talking about eating our own shit.

I said to him he said about he went oh the arse purple stuff and he just looked and I went no no no it's like was he being serious

yeah yeah and I said it's you know obviously I said like no that is true mate and he went no I know it's true

I know you which is my favourite thing yeah he was he was yeah but look have you been have you watched the new SAS no which is my favourite thing yeah he was yeah but look have you watched the new SAS

no oh man yeah and Middleton's gone yeah I knew that yeah they've got this new American guy in is he good

I think him versus Adam Middleton would be an amazing celebrity boxing match right okay they hate each other they loathe each other man how do you know

because I see it on Twitter man they really really don't vibe and I feel sorry for Foxy and Ollie because they're caught Right, okay. They hate each other. They loathe each other, man. How do you know? Because I see it on Twitter, man. They really, really don't vibe. And I feel sorry for Foxy and Ollie, because they're caught in the middle. Like, you know. Poor bastards. I love Foxy as well.

I think Foxy's a credit to this country. Yeah, I love Foxy. What's the American guy's name? I think it's like, oh man, what is his name? Something rusty or sort of like, but he's like, he's very dramatic, put it that way like, but he's like, he's,

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I, I, I'd say he's Ant Middleton on steroids. Yeah, he's like... Ant Middleton on steroids? Yeah, he's like the American version of Ant Middleton. He's like Ant Middleton. He's got quite a sweet side to him. Look, man, for me, Foxy's the star of that show. Foxy and Ollie. I actually just don't know why they got the American... The American dude, then. I'd have just had Foxy and Ollie.

Can I tell you honestly what this feels like a little bit? It feels like when you started talking about... Because earlier on, we were talking about something, which I'll get to that in a minute. And then we started talking about SAS because earlier on we were talking about something, I'll get to that in a minute. And then we started talking about SAS. And I think what happened was you were about to fucking go two footed in on this geyser. And then for some reason, I don't know what's happened.

You've had like an epiphany or a moment of reflection as we've been talking. And now you're sort of dancing around the fucking houses. You're actually saying what, suddenly talking about Foxy and Ollie. Yeah, fine. Great. But the way you came into this was like, you were about to, you're actually saying suddenly talking about Foxy and Ollie yeah fine great but

the way you came into this was like you were about to unleash a fucking torrent of abuse on this show and now all of a sudden your arse is going to stop let me just say it's one of my favourite shows and I think it really when somebody goes I'll get to that in a minute what they don't

normally mean is I'm going to talk fairly non-committally about what's happened on the show. Look, if I'm honest, I feel Foxy and Ollie have been screwed over and they've got this other guy in.

Okay. I feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for them. You don't like the American guy I just don't know why he's there. One of my favourite moments. You think they should have

not brought anyone in at all? I think Foxy and Ollie were more than capable of running the... There's another guy in it, another new guy, another American guy, who's a bit more understated. He's got a real toughness about him.

I like him. He's cool. But the long-haired guy just feels like he's just a bit too showbiz. So you don't like him? Just come in and say that. Yeah, I'm not a fan. But also, look. The show would be better if it didn't have him on it.

Is that what you're saying? Yeah, because this is what I'm saying about Firm again. I think on that, she's a real credit. I think she's brilliant. You need to watch, you should watch that show. I'd love to do that show with you. That'd be a fun thing.

You will, let me tell you something. There's certain shows that I wouldn't do now, but if the phone stopped ringing and I needed to pay my mortgage, I would do. That's not one of them. Really? That's not.

Well, would you be too scared? Yeah. I'm not, I'm not ashamed to admit that no no no I'll be scared to do it jumping off

you know when they do the jumping into the water and they're screaming in your face and all that Pink Wicks knocks himself out mate yeah exactly exactly he jumps out of the helicopter

I would knock myself out on the way down to the exercise you know like what was that what was that thing do they do it every time I've only watched a few of them the red man or whatever

do you know what I'm talking about which one's that it's like they had to like just basically get past this bloke that's in this week's show I think

right okay that is I mean it's insane actually I think that's one of the easier ones the ones for me that would do my thing

that's one of the easier ones I think the taller ones like the high height ones are the most terrifying the one that go across the big ravine does anybody refuse to do it uh i think i don't think i don't think they just scream you off the edge yeah yeah yeah basically yeah but this is what i love about foxy because foxy's like so he can be quite tough but also then there's a reassuring arm and like you go actually you know

what he's a real credit to he's the credit credit to everything, really, old Foxy. Yeah, big up Foxy. You've met Foxy before, haven't you? I have. I did a road trip with him. I spent a few days with him. Nice guy. Really nice guy. What have you been up to, my baby?

Well, I was in Vegas last week with Rob Beckett for Rob Romish vs... Did you go to the fight? The Canelo fight? No, Rob stayed for the fight but I had to come back for a gig

oh wow and I went to Vietnam for a road trip yeah we talked about that on here didn't we because you had the passport thing oh yeah shit

yeah we did talk about that fucking it it's not been that long and did I talk about Thorpe Park no oh my god you mean Thorpe Park

so like basically I missed Alex's birthday because I was in Vietnam right and he said and he was he was quite upset obviously and I said to him So, like, basically, I missed Alex's birthday because I was in Vietnam. Right. And he said, and he was quite upset, obviously, and I said to him, well, not obviously,

but, you know, he's a bit gutted, said to him, how can I make it up to you? And he goes, could you take me to Thorpe Park? So I said, yeah. Well, this is what, number one, I think Alex has got a touch of the Foxys about him. Why do you say that? Just because he there is like... Sort of look in his eyes, he definitely knows he's killed a man. No, no, you say that just because he there is like sort of looking his eyes that you definitely know he's killed a man no no no because he's like he's basically said

look you've upset me but actually there's a way back in yeah this is how you make amends oh yeah i actually think he'd be an incredible soldier soldier so i'm about to say something quite kind of um this is this is the sort of thing that you'd have a go at me about all right for sounding like i've lost touch yeah so um theo wanted to come as well so the three of us uh went to thought park and so i bought the tickets obviously the tickets have much and then i paid over double again to get the fast pass to all the rides right yeah okay because it was alex's birthday thing i probably wouldn't have ordinary ordinarily done that but like it was his birthday i want to have a nice day that fast pass thing isn't i mean i don't know if it always works what a game changer that is

to your experience of going to the theme park man we were like we were going i don't know if it's just like the ratio of how they did it but there were queues for like you go up and it's like 65 minutes and we'd be queuing for two minutes i mean i know that's how fast track it but there were queues for like like you go up and it's like 65 minutes and we'd be queuing for two minutes i mean i know that's how fast track works but what i mean is we did the whole park in like half a day it was like crazy don't you think some of the banter of like being at theme parks the actual queue and the like to know do you know what this is somebody here you go that is somebody that hasn't got two fucking children of the ages that i've got because if

you think banter is trying to stop your kids kicking each other's shins off for an hour while he's down in a queue no but they don't put they don't put any entertainment there and what happens let me tell you what happens in a theme park queue right with your kids they and they initially start rinsing each other then they start touch pushing each other then they start like kicking each other and then by the time you're about 10 minutes away they're biting each other's faces off right that's what happens and then then what else happens is other families start looking behind like what the noise is where the noise is coming from and start giving you a judgmental look

it's awful i got a judgmental look yesterday in town you did yeah grace is at that age now right where she you it's obviously it's getting colder so i took her down it took her like into town to have a little bowl about and you just rubbed you but as soon as you literally leave the house you just just down the road she pulls her socks off and just throws them in the street right yeah so you didn't put them in pocket i walked past this woman she went oh my god look my God, look at that, that's horrible. That little girl, she hasn't got any socks, he's not even put any socks on her. It was like literally loud,

within my ears. You said that? Yeah, yeah, like within my earshot. I think it's horrible, look, her feet must be freezing.

Jesus. I was like, I didn't say anything, I wanted her to turn around and go, if you've got a way, like literally, you put on, assume,

it's her favourite thing, you put on socks, they're gone. She just froze them. Like, you know, I'm that, like, literally, you put on, it's her favourite thing, you put on socks, they're gone. She just froze them. Like, you know, I'm like, cool. And I'm trying to reason, I mean, look, you're trying to reason with, what, essentially a teenager and something, how old's Alex now? He's 10, right?

I'm trying to reason, like, with Grace. She's, like, nine months, nearly 10 months old. I'm going, Grace, come on. And she's just staring at me and laughing. Like I'm just like another person in my life who doesn't take me seriously. But this is just a weird, I know. So this is,

so I've got to judge you for that. I've got to come back to that. But just when you tell that socks thing, yeah, I've got to tell you this story. This is almost too mad. Right. Last night I went out,

right. I haven't seen my mates for a while. So we went out in town. We, we went to a bar. We come out of the bar. One of my friends is just got, went out right i haven't seen my mates for a while so we went out in town we we went to a bar we come out of the bar one of my friends it's just got just had his trainers on and no socks right but he hadn't come out like that right and he and i go to him what what's going on and apparently a girl

in the bar i told him her feet hurt and asked to borrow his socks. Borrow his socks? Yeah. And then he took his socks off and gave them to her. What? And then she left with his socks. Had he met her before? No. That's insane. Mate, I can't even... You know that, by the way,

charity shops are not allowed to give socks or pants. Yeah. Why would you take a stranger's socks? Also, late on in the night, man. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, God. As I'm telling you the story, though, I'm sort of, have I definitely got this right?

But I do definitely have it right. That is what happened. But did he not, like, question her or, like... That's mental. That's what I asked. I came outside. What shoes did she have on? I don't know.

So she's walked out in, like, heels and, like... I can't remember. I don't know what socks he's wearing. White towelings, I assume. Yeah, probably. Unless he had trainer socks on. Or did he have full socks? No, full socks on. Oh my God.

I know. That's insane. It's insane by both parties there, isn't it? Look, I'm all for chatting and getting to know people. I'm an open-minded G, right? I draw the line at walking up and asking for

a stranger's socks no someone you've never met I mean unless it was a weird chat online and he's basically just taking it

too literally unless it's gone like this light your socks do you you can have them I'll take them off for you now

you can take them take them borrow them you can keep them on my feet I'm so uncomfortable I really need some socks I think it might be

like the more committed version of putting your jacket over somebody's shoulders. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, we thought... We wouldn't have friends even question it when she comes back. Mate, honestly, I didn't know this was happening. Had I seen it happen? At one point, does that mean he had his bare foot on a bar floor?

Does that mean? Yeah, of course he did. He could have done it. He probably went over and sat also if you had to go to a table and get a seat at like 11 12 o'clock i mean i don't know you what time you're staying out to these days well it's pretty late so it must have been what 10 30 quarter to 11 you're gonna struggle to get a seat at that time everyone wants to sit down so if you've got to try and get a seat and go oh so i'm just gonna sit there for a minute to take my socks off to give them to someone I've never met

yeah did he say it was he embarrassed by it or was he like cocky like it's going to a girl no he was like I think

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very much so and now I guess she's going to go hold on how will this end now? She looks for the person who... Yeah, she goes to that bar every night and then she just walks around crawly trying to find the guy who gave her a sock.

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Really? I would say, like, proper. Yeah, and you're like an adrenaline junkie. You love a fast ride, right? Why do you do this? No, no, you like roller coasters and shit, right? I'm not an adrenaline junkie. Yeah, yeah.

But I don't mind going on one. Yeah, you love a roller coaster. Anyway, so we're getting on these rides, and one of them is, like, crazy. What was it called? Swarm, right? So we've got this ride called Swarm, right? It's pretty mad.

Like, you know, one of the ones where your feet's hanging out. Your feet's just hanging out. But then he goes upside down and shit. It's pretty mad. So Alex was like a bit like, oh, my God, like a bit buzzing from the ride. And then we walk up to this ride called Stealth, right? Oh, yeah, I've been on this.

So we walk up to the ride. And it looks, they always do this thing, don't they, where like caution, caution. Yeah. Abandon hope, all ye who enter here, and all this sort of stuff. You will leave this ride completely changed. Be careful. So they're doing all that to buzz it up or whatever.

But Alex is starting to get a little bit nervous, do you know what I mean? Because it's actually working, right? Yeah. So we go into the ride, and he goes, is this going to be all right? we go into the ride and he goes is this going to be alright he just said to me nervously is this going to be alright I said it'll be fine mate I'm saying it'll be fine

I've never been on this ride before I haven't even looked at it do you know what I mean like I just know that people have been telling me it's gone stealth so we sit down on the thing where is that

like your roller coaster whatsapp group no I have an app actually it's called Coaster Junkies and it's just like you can post up and go, hitting Thought Park,

what order should I do this stuff in? And people come back to you and stuff like that. It's actually less of an app and more of a community, to be honest with you. Do you know what I mean? I was going to tell you, actually, I'm doing a thing at Alton Towers.

It's like three nights. We're going to stay in the tree houses if you're going to come. Anyway, so we're sat on stealth and they come down they come around to push the things down and alex looks a bit nervous and she goes to me is this is he is he right to go on this ride so i said to him do you want to do this or not because he was looking quite i didn't say it in that i was like being like you know do you want to do this not because we can get off now if you want and he goes no i'll do it i'll do it so they shut the

thing and then he goes this is going to be okay isn't it and i go yeah it's going to be fine mate and as i say that it's got like a traffic light thing like a drag race the light goes green and we go into fucking hyperspace man it's like the fastest acceleration i've ever experienced on a roller coaster and we just went i actually started shouting like screaming because it's like so mental and all i could think i was doing it is he's never going to trust me again like like like i literally went it would be absolutely fine and then it was easily the most sensory overload of all the rides that we went on that day it was crazy we got off and i just thought that is a life lesson for him there do you mean like basically what's happened there is because of stealth my my son's trust in me has been broken probably

permanently if he's got any sense about him do you mean because the truth is and he's right rightly so because i did not know what that road was going to be like i said it was going to be fine i assume it's going to be fine basically relying on thought parks safety measures right i don't know it's going to be fine i've not seen thought parks, safety measures, right? I don't know. It's going to be fine. I've not seen the ride. I've got no idea about it. I didn't know when that fast, what I should have said was,

I don't know. I'm as scared as you, but let's just go through this together. That's what a decent dad would have done. But instead I wanted to be authority figure. So it'd be absolutely fine. And then give yourself a break here, bro.

You're trying to reassure him. Can I, can I just, right? So that stealth, right? Yeah. We went there, no, no, come on, bro. Give yourself a break here, bro. You're trying to reassure him. Can I just, right, so that stealth, right? Yeah. We went there a couple of years ago for a friend's birthday. There was a group of about six of us. I don't like roller coasters. I'm going to throw it out there.

I'm fucking terrified of them. I'm like, I never have liked them. And we get on this fucking, we got that stealth, right? And, you know, when they come and shut the thing down on your chest, they push the thing right down, don't they? Your legs are hanging a bit. Is that the one where your legs are hanging?

There's a couple. There's Swarm, there's Nemesis. Oh, it might be Nemesis. Nemesis Inferno. One when your legs, basically, they come and push the thing down, right?

Yeah, yeah. As they go around, I've sort of clicked it, but it doesn't feel clicked enough, right? Right. And I'm sort of like, all my mates are, look,

they've bullied me into it, and I'm trying to like all my mates have bullied me into it and I'm trying to I'm trying to go oh I'll be fine but basically I'm Alex in this situation I'm like what's the worst

going to happen I'm turning to my mate I mean I didn't bully Alex into doing it I was talking about the nice day on his birthday but yeah I've clicked it a bit

but it doesn't and I'm looking at everyone else's and I'm sort of it feels quite wobbly anyway I turn to one of these young kids who work there and I'm like excuse me this doesn't feel'm sort of it feels quite wobbly anyway I turn to one of these young kids who work there

and I'm like excuse me this doesn't feel very safe right and then they push and they say they're like oh no actually

it doesn't feel this doesn't feel like it's put in properly are you serious yeah yeah and I'm like what I start literally

fucking having a panic attack yeah yeah and then they're doing the thing when the ride's about to start and they panic as well because they're in a situation now where they call stop obviously people are cute so what i do is i just push the fucking thing

it's hard against me so it clicks right but that just i'm having a panic it's too tight yeah i'm having a panic attack as it is my heart's racing now this fucking thing's in right this is no joke and like as the thing starts like the roller coaster starts i start crying i genuinely start like having a full fucking panic attack so i think this is just like i'm even going to drop from the fucking sky and just fucking that i'll be brown bread that way or this thing's so tight against my chest it doesn't feel like my heart's able to beat yeah and we're flying around right and i said i turned to my friend and like I'm like I'm gonna fucking die I'm gonna die

and he's looking at me just like he's literally having the fucking best time of his whole life yeah right when the thing pulls up

like I have a full meltdown it was like even now I'm embarrassed they they like the thing comes up doesn't it yeah

and I'm going why the fuck would you do that to someone why would you do that i could have fucking died out there i couldn't even feel it and like the people like there's like a fucking like 15 16 there's kids waiting to get on yeah yeah and like there's a massive fucking like man who's literally coming off of it crying there's and then there's like a fucking teenager going oh it's okay it's fine it's all right no no no like you know i'm sorry that that happened that the all got consoled by 14 year old yeah and you know like when we talk about fucking everyone's like oh yeah be there for your mates

mental health and all that i look around and all of my friends have fucking left me yeah yeah and when i came down i was like yeah yeah i had a full-on panic attack. I was genuinely fucking, like, not in a good way. And they were like, fucking, it'll stay away from us for a bit. But, you know what, actually, fuck theme parks, because that very thing might happen. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm going to throw it out there, right? I had a flashback to when I was 13,

and we all broke into Chessington World of Adventures, right? And Street Fighter 2. That's not the theme park's fault, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we all went into chestington world of adventures right and street fighter 2 that's not the theme part that's not the theme part's fault by the way just yeah yeah but we all went in the arcade right and everyone was obsessed with street fighter 2 at that time and there was a kid playing it and he was about give us me 16 17 right and he was like you know playing with one player there's a crowd of people around because he was like getting sort of like give her the game and basically someone else in the crowd said how do you make that two can that be two player can you make that two player right oh no and me being the fucking big loser i was i went yeah you just press this button and i pressed the button right and it went and no player two has joined the game

and this fucking kid who's like i'm 13 but he he just full on fucking clumped me in the face, right? Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, he went crazy. He was like, I nearly completed the fucking game. And then all of his mates basically were like, we're going to fucking get the shit out of you, right? I look around to see where my friends were. They'd all run off.

I had to go and fucking spend the rest of that day at Chillington. I had to go to a fucking, like, the matron's office, essentially, and wait for one of my mates' mums and dads to pick us up. Do you know what? You've got to be the only person I know who would tell a story, one about your friends abandoning you after having a panic attack on a roller coaster, and then your friends abandoning you

after getting hit for pressing the T play button on an arcade. And your takeaway from that is fuck theme parks. Yeah. I'm lucky now. I have a better group of friends. Those friends. And you choose not to name them, by the way.

Innocent, innocent people have had problems in the past. You'll give this all night. It's absolutely. It's absolute. Nest of pricks. Innocent people have had problems in the past. You'll give their full name. I'm still terrified of them. There's absolute nester pricks. That's why you have that serious PTSD. You're doing them the decency of anonymising them. That's why I think I'd ever join the army,

because I was always worried people would just back out on me. It was one of the most fun days I've had in a long time. Yeah, but Alex is there with you and his brother. Where was Charlie? Did Charlie go on...? well charlie's like charlie's little so yeah the thing is he's of the height now where he like it's a bit difficult because the the other two are able to go on rides that he's not able to so so it's fine like the other two are really good and like they'll go let's go over to some stuff that charlie can do now but but he um he's not he's

just on the edge of being able to do all those kind of rides so he can't he didn't want to do it i can't wait i'm looking forward to taking grace to euro disney they've got a new princess palace being built there so i'm looking forward to that that's fun have you done euro disney done euro disney yeah um like i i went and we hadn't been away for a while so i i got this like we stayed in like this hotel that gets you like access right to the front of the park or whatever. So it was like a nice room. And they're like,

I read up about it and they put like, they, they, when they come and clean the room, they put, they hide chocolates around the room and stuff like that for the kids to find and stuff like that. It's pretty sick.

But I turned up and then I like to check in and the guy behind the counter goes, um, Oh my God, are you staying? I can't in and the guy behind the counter goes um oh my god are you staying I can't remember what the name of the room is you're staying in the blah blah room yeah the Mickey room or whatever I go yeah and he goes you are about to have the most magical time of your life and then he said it to me the kids didn't even hear and then I walked over and I go that bloke says we're about to have the most magical time of our lives

but yeah it's good literally Theo walking in there going someone's dropped a sweet behind the sofa yeah why does a bed look like it's covered in

oh you didn't find the chocolates if you slept on it oh my god right shall we do some emails yeah old boy Oh, my God. Right, shall we do some emails? Yeah, old boy. Thanks once again for everyone sending in your emails.

We really appreciate it. This is from The Leopard Gecko. Wow. Dear The Wolf and The Owl, clearly everyone who emails in says how much I love podcasts, and if anything, I would say that my listenership has become borderline obsessive. I hadn't found the podcast until a couple of months ago. Why can't I read today? Maybe you've not

read for a while. Yeah, that hangover. I hadn't found the podcast until a couple of months ago, although I'm a big fan of you both individually and I would say it's become the soundtrack of my summer. Anyway, I'll get to the point slash problem. I'm 34. Congratulations on that, by the way. I'm a senior leader in a school. I've got two kids under five and my husband

works long hours in London. I'm busy. Busier than i like to be a lot of the time and therefore i'm frankly shit at contact oh my god welcome to my life when i'm in a social situation i'm present and engaged but life sometimes gets in the way of the whatsapp reply so recently i contacted my old housemate from university we've been super close at times but as life has weaved and wound itself this is a beautifully written email we've had less contact i had sent a message in february with no response and the message a few times again without any reply i'd start to get worried about us i contacted a mutual friend to ask if she was okay and she responded say she was fine and she'd spoken to her recently basically this gutted me i realized that my lack of contact had led to a cutting me out and although maybe that is fair

it has made me sad should i just move on and learn from this or should i try my best to resolve this friendship your wisdom would be so appreciated although i'm ready to realize it is my own doing my guys the leopard gecko and a kiss wow yeah i sign off every by the way every text and email with a kiss and i'm starting to worry that that's a little bit like even if people are just even if it's someone and does some work at my house like a builder well I tell you what I tell you what

anesthetised me from doing that is thinking about what that would actually look like you know with the person yeah no no but it's just habit

I just do it on like nice to see you and then you give him a kiss and then if you see him I did it with my accountant the other day and then like

it was weird I did like three to my accountant shortcuts he's been sorting out for you do you mean car and air? triple kiss yeah

no but like I did it three times to him a kiss for every mil he helped you avoid I did a kiss to him three times to him he did nothing and then when he's 30 he did a little kiss back I thought

oh no this is weird I will never speak to him again what a horrible thing to do so you were giving him kisses the whole time then he gives you a kiss back and then you then you make him the win

no I just felt like oh he's now gone oh I just have to do a kiss back because he's really pushing the kissing um yo

the leopard gecko yo weirdly I've had a little bit of this myself I think you um that is I just think it's a bit

of getting older I think it's life I think that um I had a little bit of this myself. I think you, that is, I just think it's a bit of getting older. I think it's life. I think that I had a pal who, you know, a really close friend who just had a similar thing to yourself where I'd sort of text him, reached out, but maybe it was too late and he'd sort of like, you know, he'd sort of carried on his life elsewhere. And where that can be quite difficult to live with, I think sometimes it's just a part of life so what

is a person um said to me there's an old it's an old saying it's friends for a reason friends for a season and friends for life and i think it's quite an apt thing that i think that you as you navigate your way through life you're going to find different people and and and your life is going to require different people at different times there There's people who can give you emotional strength. People are going to give you, you know, the things you need when it's maybe laughter, sometimes someone to put an arm around you.

Um, but I think, you know, in some friendships, people grow away and grow distant. I, like one of the reasons, yeah,

not to get too deep into it, but like, you know, we just took a couple of weeks off and, and like, I was sort of working towards quite a big of weeks off and and like i was sort of working towards quite a big moment in my life and i was like like me and ron both i think i think one would agree we both like i'm work obsessed because i come from a place with from nothing i i'm constantly worried about you know not working and like that opens up so much of sort of my past

so i'm you know and that can sort of at times drive a bit of a gulf in my relationship and so one of the reasons that we took a bit of time was to sort of you sometimes have to balance that out and actually one of the things that I had a week with Catherine and a week with Grace and actually thought sometimes on the flip side of people not responding and you not you know it's actually sometimes I use a lot of my energy in checking in on people who never really ever get back to me and i don't hold any animosity towards those people but actually was like you know what i need to my life is is really grace and katherine and that is making sure that i'm there for them and like sometimes you can burn your energy away worrying about other stuff that actually is not even a

problem there but you can like for the moments that you're worrying about what might be going on with your friend that you've not been in contact with or they've not been in contact with that that's burning some stuff away for you where you could be time that you could be given to your family to your husband you know and i think that's that's a really important thing i think like you've you've reached out they've not reached back what will be what will be there'll be a time that maybe you bump into each other and then you can say how you feel and stuff but actually sometimes i think we can put too much emphasis on creating a problem that's not there and thinking that oh this person's got that going on that person because actually that's the narrative that we want to make things a little bit easier. Oh, God.

So good to hear silky, silky advice once again. I missed it. Leopard Gecko. You and I are very similar, Leopard Gecko. I'm terrible at getting back to people. And a lot of my life seems to revolve around apologising to people for not having got back to them sooner or not meeting up with them or not replying. There's been times recently, I've done it to close friends people i love where they've invited me to something or we've arranged to do something and i've allowed that thing to come and

go without responding as to whether i'm definitely doing it or not it's just gone because i've just been busy or whatever and it's really fucking bad really bad and i need to get better at it but i haven't done so the reason i'm saying that is it is fine to not be good at getting back to people and it is fine to not what you know to not text us but what will happen is there are consequences to that and those consequences are sometimes people just think i'm not going to bother getting in touch with that person anymore or uh i'll stop inviting them because i don't get back to me it just happens do you know what i mean and you have to decide how you're going to tackle that or not with this situation in particular there's one or two things you can do you can either go okay well i tried to reach out and

they didn't reach out back to me it's a shame but i guess that's just how it goes and you move on or you send them another message go explaining the situation in the way that you explain to to us which is that you know i'm really sorry life has got in the way but i really did want to reach out and it'd be lovely to meet up if that's what you want to do or even just strike up a friendship whatever you can say that again and then it's up to them to decide whether they go okay do you know what they've reached out again let me let me get back to them or not and either way is fine do you know i mean it's just one of those things um it is a shame but um i'm talking from experience here i am bad

at getting in touch with people i just am bad at it but i'm not bad with other people so then it starts i mean i'm getting sort of too deep into it but sometimes i wonder if i'm self-selecting like for example tom i mean i'm pretty good at replying to you like i think when you text me i pretty much reply i do think there's certain people i'll always get back to and sometimes you're just busy and you think i'll get back to that person when i can and it's not that i care about them less it's just that i think i'll get back to them when i can and then i forget but from their point of view, it probably does. It does not.

Probably it does look bad. It looks like you don't, you don't give a shit or whatever, you know? And, um, yeah, I guess,

I mean, look, I'm not really giving decent advice here. What I'm saying is, is I totally relate to that is you're not a bad person for that, but it's just, you know, stuff happens off the back of it.

Do you know what I mean? And like, you've got to make a decision about whether you go you know what i'm going to really really double reach out to that person and try and salvage this or you don't you know but um that's the thing is some people are different some people are really good at contact and some people aren't but if you're not there are you know you do get consequences of that i guess i hope that helps leopard gecko i feel like i've been, deeply unhelpful there. But that's my take. Keep doing you, Leopard

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that's how they've spelt it what C-O-O yeah C-O-O Highland Coup Highland Coup Dear Wolf, Al, Swan and Cat thanks for the awesome podcast C-O-O. Hale and Coo. I was thinking what I thought was like some sort of bird. Hale and Coo. Yeah. Dear Wolf,

Al, Swan and Cat, thanks for the awesome podcast. Hamish the Hale and Coo here. My wife, I'm probably not. You're going to regret that. I'm always regret that.

Hamish the Highland Coup here. My wife and I have just had our first baby. She's now a week old and we already can't imagine life without her. My question is this. I'm a big hip-hop fan, but my wife says I have to stop playing songs around the house because the lyrics aren't suitable for children. You've talked about excessive swearing on the pod before. But it's also the misogyny and violence that she objects to. Stuff like, bitches ain't shit, buttholes and tricks,

lick on the nuts and suck the dick, or six reasons why this kid should die, we shooting every motherfucker outside, shoot him up, just shoot him up, what, kill, kill, kill, murder, murder, murder. You get my point. I kind of have to agree with her, but I don't want to stop listening to the music that I enjoy.

What should I do? Thanks for selecting my email. Peace out. Hale and Koo. I mean I do? Peace. Thanks for selecting my email. Peace out. Hale and Koo. I mean, this is pretty easy. Just get some headphones. My first bit of advice.

I think it's, it's, it's a difficult thing once. I certainly found like when, when Grace was first, first born and was, was the age of your little one. Now I'd sort of like you're doing the night feeds and stuff,

and I'd end up sitting there watching, like, Narcos or something. I really do. And then worried about what she'd be taking in and what she wouldn't. Like, and then sort of, so then I ended up just sitting and watching, like, The American Office or something quite inoffensive and brilliant at the same time. But, yeah, I think it's a way,

even now I had the boxing on this morning. So I was rewatching the Joe Joyce, a fire shower, Joe Joyce. And she was just sitting, sat there staring at the screen. And then Catherine was like, maybe you should turn it off because it's quite violent.

And then I was like, oh shit. Yeah. It's, it's a kind of weird thing, isn't it? I think as well, like music actually more than television.

They're so in tune to sort of the waves of it, I think, yeah. So just a decent pair of headphones, mate, Hamish, I'd say, would be the way to go. And keep doing you. And by the way, the journey's an incredible one, my friend. So enjoy it. Yeah. Congratulations, Hamish, to Highland Coup.

My advice to you is this. I've gone through the same thing as you, my guy. And what I would say is this. Your baby's a week old, so you can probably carry and listen to it for a bit. The problem is when they get old enough to start picking the words up, then you've got to – I basically went through a phase of listening to it, then I stopped listening to it for a while. And now I don't listen to start picking the words up, then you've got a, I basically went through a phase of listening to it. Then I stopped listening to it for a while. And now I don't listen to it around the house,

but I do have it on in the car. And when I'm doing the school run, I'll have hip hop on. And I just say to the boys, you know, I sort of explain the context. This is entertainment. And this is how they're talking in the songs,

but you've got to be aware that this is like offensive. And sometimes we talk about, you you know we'll talk about this sounds really boring but we will go can you hear this in the background what is it alex having a fight having an argument yeah anyway um so as i said hip-hop has had no negative effect upon my children whatsoever i mean i mean like um they're absolutely they're absolutely fine literally they're they're they're so in tune to your comedy now that they can argue which is since like they provided me punchlines um so um we sometimes will have a chat about the lyrics and stuff like that and actually my kids are kind of uh you know you give it a bit of critical analysis don't you like is this okay to be talking like this on record you don't do it like in a formal lesson or

whatever but we do chat about it i think the truth is you're you bring up your kids to sort of appreciate the context of what they're you know they can't i don't want my kids to go around start calling women bitches and stuff like that but i hope that they're able to you know there's an argument about whether you listen to that type of music or not, or whether that's okay. Um, which we haven't got time to go into now, but the point is,

is that, um, you want them to sort of listen to it in the context in which they're receiving it, which is, uh, this isn't how you talk. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So, uh, so hopefully that's helpful. Hey, Mr. Highland coup. Sorry for the,

uh, I love how much you stuck to the Highland Coup. OK, should we do one more? Let's do one more, my baby. This is from... I just want to double-check because they put their name, but... I'm going to keep this anonymous.

OK. Hi, guys. Thanks for all the effort that goes into doing what you do. It's genuinely cheered me up through some of the hardest times I've had to go through recently. You're very welcome. I'm recently wondering what your thoughts are on my you're very welcome i'm recently wondering what your thoughts

are on my situation no i'm just wondering what your thoughts are on my situation i split up from my fiance about 18 months ago but still have a mortgage on the house she decided she was happy to wait for any money from it they put an exclamation mark suggest they're not happy the time's now come to get it sorted the plan was to buy her out with my new partner but given the state of the cost of living it's looking less and less likely that will be achievable we're now looking at having to sell and split the proceeds with my ex which i completely understand is entitled to the only problem is living right on the south coast we're going to be looking at having to downsize to a flat i just can't get over the fact that this seems like a big downgrade and i feel like i'm taking 10 steps back from

any progress i've made uh thanks for any advice opinions anon tom d well um i think it's one of the hardest things in going from uh from sort of one relationship to another i guess and and sort of like uh in the best way of of trying to be as good a person as you can be um in the sort of whole of this scenario um it seems although um you know you without knowing the full sort of whole of the scenario. It seems although, you know, without knowing the full sort of scale of it, it seems like your ex, and I'm not sure what the situation's been, so it's hard to sort of elaborate any more

and think that she's actually sort of, seems like she's been fair enough to sort of let you live in the house and wait for her money rather than hassling you for it. Obviously now you've got the time you need to do that. I mean, I'd say it's worth having a, you know, I'm not like that guy from this morning

who understands loads of, like, the cost of living crisis and all that sort of stuff. I sort of... Martin Lewis. Yeah, shout out Martin Lewis for everything you're doing right now. I would say that it's probably worth speaking to someone, though,

just to work out if you're going to get significantly less for your house if you sell it now over the next sort of six to eight months year um rather than sort of wait and hold on and see for both you and your partner or ex-partner just to sort of see if you can potentially um sort of you know get more from it i would say though i think taking 10 steps back or taking any steps back in life is more of a situation that is created from your own head. I think, like, you know, not to get too deep into it, I think I've talked about it before.

Me and Catherine, when we were first together, after about a year of being together, like, I got hustled out of a lot of money and I basically lost everything. We lost our flat, we lost, you know, and then we lost everything we had. So we had to spend about four or five years sort of, you know, then we had you know we we lost everything we had so we had to spend about four or five years sort of you know literally watching every single penny but actually that

was a making of our relationship that that that time because it sort of meant that we sort of you know we had nothing so every little thing was was was massive you know and and it built built made us closer together and it made us rely on each other so i think um although at times things like that can feel like a step back, I think it's trying to look at the positives and actually think, you know what, we could potentially sort of build something between you and your new partner, and that can be something that you actually enjoy and, you know, savour.

Yeah. Yeah, that's my advice, my dear. Really good advice. I would like to say to you, you've not taken 10 steps back. The size of your house is not a sign of life progress, you're with somebody that you really love, I don't know what happened with your fiance but you're with your new partner

and I'm hoping that you're happy and things are working well so that's always going to be a step forward so you're starting your new life together you're going to be together and you're in a better relationship, I imagine, for everybody involved. So this is a massive step forward. So I would try and detach myself from thinking about the material situation

of the size of your place. And just focus on the fact that you're with somebody that you're in love with and you're starting a new part of your life. um just look forward to that and you'll make your progress and you'll go up the ladder or whatever if you want so you might decide that you know what being in the flat is what we're happy doing for the rest of our lives that might be what you decide to do um it's just not about where you live it's about how you live and who you live with you know wow wow wow wow go on that. That was a very lovely moment. I like that.

You like that? I like that, yeah. All right. Okay, good luck. Okay, guys. It's been a hell of a return for the Wolf and Owl, hasn't it? I've loved it. What a doozy.

Tom, would you mind doing us the honours of taking us out, please? Yo, yo. People, friends. The phone vibrated there. You want to check that? Yeah, sorry. No, no, no.

I can deal with that sort of shit, friends. The phone vibrated there. You want to check that? Yes, right. I can deal with that sort of shit, man. Friends, my humble kin. Imagine I'm putting an arm around you right now, but in a reassuring way to say, yo, you big bros here, I've got some words of advice for you. It's come to my attention recently, a lot of people and people I chat to go through their life not being like the main

character within their own story within their own narrative people spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing or being pushed slightly to the side just what other people's problems or other people's lifestyle becomes more relevant than their own and they take their own stuff less seriously and they worry about their own value within a situation my advice would be this friends whilst being caring and knowledgeable of other people always remember to be the main player in your own story always remember to check in on yourself. Be a better friend to yourself, and you'll be the best friend you can possibly be to others.

Be kind to yourself and to your mental health. And every time you need a reassuring word or a reassuring nod, look in the mirror for it. Safe. You'll always get the reply you need. Magic. That's beautiful. My guy.

Really nice. Thank you, bro. Thank you. Thank you. You know what? Inside, it was one of our emails there with that. I feel for that person. I've realised I'm going out a lot

without having looked in the mirror at all, really. In what sense? Like as a deeper sort of personal thing? No, as in like I don't look in the oh like but you look really drippy at the moment i need to share out but i saw you in an incredible piece of kit the other day that jacket you know the jacket yeah that was uh a shout out to jaguar skills who designed that made that jacket gave it to me as a gift it's very nice and wow nice little thing well you know very nice boy very nice okay now listen for the song to play us out yeah what i'd like to play is i was watching hobson shaw which i think i talked about yes yeah big fan of it yeah and one

of the songs on that soundtrack was time in a bottle by youngblood and it was a really lovely song it's all about wanting to spend time with the person you love and so as i bring to a close another hour with somebody that i love um i'd love jt if you could play that song for us thank you so much guys thank you for listening to the wall for now peace take care of yourselves and each other said j Springer bye-bye If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com. That's wolfowlpod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. Thank you.