Wolf and Owl - S2 Ep 27: New Years & Not Jogging

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

We’re talking… a brand new 2023, tour show worries, corporate gigs and Chesney Hawkes, new year joggers, The Traitors, ginger biscuits in space and Tom’s tricky time on The Last Leg Special. Then, after a minor spat about truffles in everything, we answer email questions on a friendship group problem, making enough time for parents and a difference of attitudes on drugs. For questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List- https://wolfandowlpod.com/ A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder like they're rolling with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship, let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never Sheep's clothing, dark enough to turn The sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear is a huff, a puff and a

Expect killings, red spilling and flesh Ripping, impressive in it, the death Bringing it's head spinning, just kidding Every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog yo happy new year 2023 welcome to our hearts wow baby 23 the wolf and owl has made it to another year and just before we press record tom and i were talking about what a piece of shit this is i don't know why tom decided to literally i'm not exaggerating here tom literally said the words just before we could record what even is this no no i'm saying in an affectionate way i said i

listen sometimes you listen to episodes right and i i go back and think oh my i can hear it in my voice quite like that where my mental health was at that point it's a peek behind the curtain of both of our brains and how it works right but there's no other because right so look so to get the whole scenario correct we were talking about the fact we're doing the live shows this week right thursday friday saturday yeah manchester right london london right and there's there's other other shows, like the podcasts doing live shows become a thing. It's amazing. It's incredible.

But some of them really, really have levels that they can go to. They have big guests. We have none of that. They take what they do and they step it up. What we've taken is something that's barely, barely sort of hi-fi enough to be even a podcast, and we're putting that in the live arena.

I sort of feel like it's almost like an insult to the venues that we're going to. I don't know what the staff are going to be like when they turn up there and go, think about who they've had there at those venues, and then we turn up, sit down on chairs and then go, yeah, so how's your week been? We won't even know what to say because we're fucking recording this we're doing this we're doing this on the monday we're doing the live show on thursday i hope we've got a fucking stellar four days ahead of us we can get some new gear to talk about well yeah we're gonna have to do that go on wacky adventures and stuff

aren't we before we're gonna have to i'm gonna head out and about mate uh how are you getting to manchester i thought we were getting the train together. We were going to get the train, but there's train strikes. Oh, I haven't sorted out an alternative. So it might be... Do you reckon you could pull that off solo? No, I'm already... I've already had a sleep this night. It's about the fact I've got to write a whole tour show.

Yeah. And I've got nada. Nothing, baby. Yeah. I already, this morning, sent a panic text to Flo saying I need gigs ASAP because I've got to, man's got to get writing, you know. Mate, I woke up this morning. It had been the 2nd of January.

And I had, there was a cold fear that just went through my body of thinking. Oh, shit. Like, and you're like a war horse of like touring. You're like the Elton John of touring now, right? You've been around. No, you've got like fucking sick albums. Your last special was amazing. You've got a lot of shit going.

You smashed it, right? You know the fucking... I normally interrupt, but I'm happy to see where this goes. No, no, no. No, you are. And then I'd say at the moment, I'm literally probably like, I don't know, James Arthur when he first left X Factor. I've got no idea what I'm doing.

I don't know how to write an album. I'm genuinely terrified. So I woke up this morning and I thought, right, do you know what? It's a bank holiday. Enjoy the family time. You're not back at work properly until tomorrow. That's when I'll sit down and I'll start scribbling and stuff. I went out today in our local town and four people stopped me to say they brought tickets

and how excited they were to come to see the show and I think by the fourth person Catherine was like oh no this is my anxiety was just literally peeking through the roof it was just awful just before just before Christmas I went to see Kendrick Lamar. I think I talked about it on the podcast. It's the same venue that I'm doing the tour at. And I was sat... I sat and watched one of the most incredible shows ever. I mean, as people were walking out, a couple of them went to me, we're seeing you in the same room.

Will it be as good as that? And I felt like saying to me, it won't even be as good as that and i felt like saying to me it won't even be as good as how you feel leaving the gig i mean i don't i don't mate do you want i just said that it's such a fucking paranoia man it's awful i'm playing the brighton dome and my mum turned out great that's a great venue great my mum said um i said oh because my mum's from that sort of neck of the woods and she wants to come with her sister and like some family members. And she was really like sort of excited by it.

But then she said similar things. She said, I saw Joan Bias rip it there. It's a tough room though at times. I was like, Joan Bias? Like, I know a little bit about her. She's quite a sort of like she's like a balladist sort of writer right how was it a tough room for her mate what does that mean her in yeah but that's bright and so i've been a home gig right it's fucking that's

a home that's literally how does it hold on she's a singer yeah how does a musician have a tough room i don't know like when i don't know if at the expectation of time. Have you done corporate gigs ever? Yes. Yeah, so when you do a corporate gig, I always watch the musicians, because often you'd be like booked as a stand-up, but there's musicians beforehand

or after or whatever. And you watch them and you go, it doesn't matter if everyone carries on talking and like having dinner or whatever because you're just playing your music. Yeah. When you're doing stand-up, if they're talking talking and not paying attention you're no longer doing stand-up

like like it's so different that just becomes me in every other conversation i am with my adhd trying to talk over people yeah sat in a pub just fucking chatting keep trying to say something but getting interrupted oh god have you it's the fucking worst feeling in the world genuinely like that is i've i've corporate wise i've i've had some sickness like and also like musician right you only need one good song as a musician right because people will chat amongst themselves and every time you finish the song they'll all go like chisney hawks could have a hundred songs all the as soon as he plays one and only everyone's going to be fucking listening right and they can say i imagine he's wheeling that out more than once right during the set

i've seen him play i told you i've talked about i saw him play um chesney hawks at um a festival when i used to sell t-shirts called glaston budget i don't know if I've told this story before. And he ripped it in a way, like he did this intro right to his set where he did a few little bars on his guitar, whatever you call it, I don't know, a few strings on his guitar. And then he turned around and he said, ladies and gentlemen, on drums,

we have whatever the guy's name was, Tony Smith, da, da, da. Yeah, we've got this guy. And on bass, we have whatever the guy's name was tony smith yeah we've got this guy and on bass we have this guy i think it was his brother and he said i think you know me i'm chesney hawks i am the one and only and he kicked in it's like call me call me by my name and it was like they must have gone nuts mate i went nuts i went crazy and then and then but he opened with it that's a ballsy move mate because like literally like four songs deep into it you're like he must have he must have tried different variations he can't he can't have started out doing live shows thinking i need to wake me one and only i reckon because normally you save you

you save your your big guns to the end so he was thinking, he probably has done a couple of gigs where he's not done one and only, and then during the first few songs, he's just going, where the fuck is a one and only? What are you doing? Then he thought, let's just get this out on the open

as soon as possible. Some people would listen to that three times in a set and not, because you start walking away to go and get a burger or whatever, or go home. I would happily just watch him for an hour, just do that,

go back again again do it again just one and only he is a really good performer live I'll give him that it's a sad thing isn't it like

what is that he's a good performer no just because he's got one and only I couldn't know many of his other songs he's been around since I've listened

to music yeah but he's probably got some other bangers do you know what I mean we should probably go for his spot. Any big Chessie Hawks fans out there? Yeah, let us know.

Rivals one and only, yeah. I mean, we could look it up ourselves, but... Yeah, but it feels like you kind of want to get a fan who's into that. Why not create some more email admin? Whilst on my walk where people were shouting about the gig, do know it's it's that

fucking january time isn't it and there's like an insane amount of joggers out yeah like insane yeah i kind of look i dig it to an extent but and i've done this so many times where january the second i make an oath. I throw everything out that's fucking unhealthy in my cupboards. I fucking go for a jog. I lift some fucking, you know, and I swear to myself that that will be the new me. And by January the 15th, I'm burnt out with that and I'm having a McDonald's again.

It's like, you know, you just want to stop and go, look, I get where you're at. I get what you're trying to do. But the truth of the matter is, what you have to do is just make a new lifestyle. Make a new, like, everyday, make it a way. Like, treats should, like, and I just, yeah. I find jogging insane as well.

You like running, don't you? Well, I've slightly fallen out of love with it, to be honest with you. So I've been going to the gym, and I've done very little cardio, I would say, over the last few months. Can I say, I So I've been going to the gym and I've done very little cardio, I would say, over the last few months. Can I say, I know you've been going to the gym

because I saw that show you did. What show? That came out this week with the Richardsons. Yeah. With John Richardson. Shout out John Richardson. Yeah, I love John Richardson.

Oh man, he's one funny fucker. He is. And one of the nice guys. One of the best in the game, that guy's a man. He's unbelievable. One of the best stand-ups. But do you know what? One of the nicest, I game, that Giesemann. He's unbelievable. One of the best standards.

But do you know what? One of the nicest. I haven't seen him for a long time. But when I was starting out, I always remember what a nice man he was. Alongside, I watched an hour of his about 10 years ago at Edinburgh. It was amazing. But I just remember what a gentleman he was as well. When I first did 8 Out of 10 Cats,

I was on his team. I think it might be the only time I was on John's team, so maybe he didn't like me as much as I thought he did. But when I was on his team, he said to me, you know how it is without naming names, there's some people that make you feel less welcome than others when you go on to a panel show as a guest, right? But he said to me,

let me know whenever you've got something or you want to say something, just give me a nudge and he goes and I'll hand to you like he's just so generous and lovely man yeah i just remember meeting him and someone else around that time and the other person was an absolute fucking helmet and he was about the nicest yeah an absolute gentleman anyway i digress whilst watching that show there's a moment when you go in a plunge pool and your traps look fucking sick boy they do they look amazing yeah you look great thanks thanks thanks thanks i'm saying i'm saying now you in that pool i'm like fucking hell look at this guy you look ripped you look good boy thanks man that's very kind of you you should be proud of

that work you put in myself thank you but uh i haven't been doing much cardio i mean on boxing day i decided to go for a run for the first time in i would say three months two months something like that maybe and uh first of all all along the there's like a like a little country lane near where we are, where all the dog walkers go and joggers go. It was like somebody had organised a marathon along that stretch, man, because everybody had the same idea. And, well, what I would say is I didn't enjoy it, man.

But the thing with running is you have to be doing it regularly to start to enjoy it. If you do a one-off, you're never going to, nobody goes, I dabbled in having a run and had a great time. I thought I'd give up. It's just not the way. I think there's an air of jealousy in me as well because of my knees being shot to shit. I can't, I can't, I'd love to be out.

I probably, that's probably, there's an envious streak, a green monster that ripples through me when I see people running. I love the idea of putting on a little bit of a sort of pair of shorts, a little warm top, and a bop of that. That'd be lovely. With your breath coming out all cold. Yeah.

There's something nice about it. But the thing is, one of the things, oh God, this is so boring now, but one of the things that was a breakthrough for me, running-wise, was accepting that initially you're going to have to go incredibly slowly, like almost comedically slowly.

Yeah. The problem with doing that is, although that enables you to run quite a long way, first of all, you have to allocate more time. So for me to do 10K at the moment, I'd probably have to allocate a day and a half. So that's the first issue. Stop at a fucking hotel to do 10K.

The second issue txt in txt Lisa yeah I'm just staying over here where are you just a holiday at the bottom of the street

yeah yeah I'm just on the edge of Crawley actually we live on the edge of Crawley yeah I know just sort of further into the edge

but the other issue is you have to your ego has to deal with the number of overtakings that happen do you know what I mean what other runners?

Yeah, you know, like other runners could just blast him through and you just think, I'm probably not doing this properly. Do you know what I mean? I used to be really fast as a kid as well. Yeah, I was really fast. I remember like when I was like very, very little school, I used to win all the races. Really?

Yeah, there was a time when I'd win everything. And then my dad did the sack race and fell flat on his face and came last. And I was so upset that he took me to Happy Eater to get me pancakes to say sorry for embarrassing you. And I fell in love with those pancakes and that's probably the beginning of the end of my athletics career, to be honest with you.

I used to be good at long distance. I used to bang I used to sort of like I used to be good at long distance I used to bang I used to be I used to sort of like I used to really love long distance running it actually makes me sad thinking now I'd like to go for a run you're a bit emotional

in your voice though as well yeah yeah I know if there's any knee engineers out there just get in touch please so can you not

can you do any kind of knee exercises no no leg stuff I do like squats I do legs I'm pretty obsessive with like legs

to build up a row a cycle but i can't um yeah it's just running just you know it might be um i might be i'm literally down now to i'm 137 kilos from 140 holy 140 about eight months ago yeah like eight nine months ago so i'm like fucking like maybe i'm a bit lighter it might might be okay you look my worry is getting injured yeah if i get and then i can't train because i will tell you this right over christmas like there was two days i didn't train and on the second day my mental health was deteriorating so quickly man really like to the point yeah catherine was like even yesterday um

new year's day i was sitting on the sofa and i started having a bit of a wobble and started being a bit like uh just a bit sort of downcast about things and katherine was like you're gonna be like it's all fucking day and night going to gym and just to work out because i can't you otherwise just go and sleep in the garage like she's quite good. She's quite firm with me. But I was like, you can feel that fucking, that thing creeping into your, I feel it sometimes. And I know that if I don't do something about it, it will take over my life for sort of a few days. I thought the mental health thing was an unusual thing to say,

that that's the reason you're going to the gym. But I've been like, over the Christmas period, I've been going to the gym. And occasionally, I have a chat with somebody somebody that used to go to school with or whatever and um everybody goes i'm doing it for i do i'll do a lot of it is because of my mental health like a lot of people have got have got that attachment to it now they feel like they've got to go to sort of keep them on the straight and narrow mentally do you know what i mean i thought that was an unusual thing but it turns out it isn't i was an idiot no no but i think yeah i think for different reasons some of mine is down to like if i can burn the energy off quick in the morning if

i can do a workout in the morning i feel then that for the rest of the day um i'm not getting that hyper sort of i don't get into a place where i start getting too sort of like too excited you know my brain one way or another will flip and change you know what i mean yeah and it's great if you're on an up if you're on a down that can be really it could be quite toxic it's like i find like i wish i'd not i wish it sounds mental i've been so unhealthy nearly all of my adult life and i wish i like i wish i'd know more about this sort of been training and and taking care of your health your your body in your mind i wish i'd know more about this. So I'd have been training and taking care of your health, your body and your mind.

I wish I'd known more about that in my twenties. Yeah. I would have been unstoppable if I, if I, oh my God, if I'd have started doing the gym like this in my twenties, oh my Lord. Mate,

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feels more you reach for craft dinner because when you're starved for moments that bring you back to who you really are and what you really love that's when it's gotta be kd when you gotta do you it's gotta be kd shop now you know the other obsession i've got at the moment or just had have you seen traitors i've not watched it but it's a phenomenon right is it a phenomenon oh my god oh just before you get into this i know you've talked about losing weight we were talking about just to give you the other side of the coin i I've eaten and drank a lot over Christmas, right? And New Year's Eve, I got very drunk, right? Lisa came as well.

Both got very drunk. I passed out downstairs, okay? Lisa walked into the living room to find me trying to leave the living room by looking for a door on the wrong fucking wall. Yeah. I just sort of walked up to the wall. I was trying to find a door, but there was no door in that room.

So I was just like feeling it was, it was, I had the lights off. I was like feeling around the wall thinking I'm sure there was a door here. And then like Lisa opened the door, which was on the opposite wall. And I looked across me to find me kind of just like with my arms spread across the wall looking for it.

How embarrassing. What were you drinking to get that drunk? Cause that's, that's, that's like 19 year old drunk, isn't it? Yeah. I think it's cause I hadn't eaten that much that day.

And then like, it was like, everybody's going happy new year. And it's like a shot here and a bit of gin and coke. There a couple of shots yeah it's bad i'm not proud of it still or yeah i am yeah but the reason anyway i'm just giving that as a bit of context for how loose i got over christmas eating a lot drinking a lot just having a nice time had a magical magical christmas um i've got one of those smart scales that kind of connects to your phone and tells you, I have put on so much weight over Christmas

that the machine and my phone asked if it was me. No, I had the same thing. I had the same thing. So it goes... I had it before Christmas. Yeah, so it goes, just double checking because of the change in weight. Is this you?

Click yes or no. I couldn't fucking believe... I mean, in terms of a demoralising message to get from your scales, just double checking because of the change in weight. Is this you? Click yes or no. I couldn't fucking believe, I mean, in terms of a demoralising message to get from your scales, I couldn't believe it, man. I just went,

do you know what, you know what the saddest thing is? I said no, to strike it from the record. Catherine had it where I went and we've got to cut the scales and she had the apps still open and I went and I went on the scales and then all of a sudden

my weight came up on hers yeah so it's fucking hell Catherine there's someone else standing on there with you yeah it's like insane

yeah I can't believe you know how much the trade is yet no okay so tell me about it what's the deal I know Claudia Winkleman hosts it number one Claudia Winkleman hosts it

number one Claudia Winkleman is insane yeah very very very very go on tell me sarcastic I don't mean it to so listen it's basically I think it's 22 people start off three of them are traitors and the rest are faithfuls

so basically three people have the power to kill off other members of the faithful who are the people who are trying to find the traitors. At the end of the show, you've basically got to say there are no traitors left. And if the traitors have sort of got through to the end of them amongst you, the traitor gets all of the money that you're left with. Otherwise, you share it amongst the faithful. Do they say they say if it's two tracks they split it between them do they yeah yeah and it's all members of the public mate that's one of the genius things i'd

say this is one of the best things about that program right there's a lot of these shows made and a lot of these things and some of them work because like love island works because it's got people who clearly want to be famous and that leans into that and it works well um and what's great about this show is it didn't feel like anyone on it was doing it it felt that they were doing it for the show for the money but they didn't feel like they were how much money is it by the way thinking yet i think it's 120 grand okay so it's decent decent wedge decent wedge but it didn't what i hope for the show go... No one said they're going to do a celebrity version. I hoped to God they don't.

Because I think it would ruin it. Because I just don't think people take it seriously enough. I think shows like this are so much better when everyone in it's... And it's so fucking good, man. We started watching it on Tuesday. And we devolved 12 episodes by Thursday. Yeah. Well, that's...

I mean, there's a lot to unpack there in terms of what's going on at your house. But yes, a good show. Mate, it's incredible. Do you want to have a conversation or wheel out another episode? Just press play, Tom. Mate, we'd already had, mate, it was Tuesday.

We'd already had four days in a hotel with just the three of us. We needed something to come into our lives. Including Winklevon was that, the thing that we didn't know we needed. How do you determine who a traitor is? You basically,

like, they slip up here and there. Yeah, but what are you doing? You're just in a building, right? You're doing these quests and then you have to

fuck around with each other. Yeah. Like, you know, basically people, like, the traitors are setting traps for people.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to talk, to explain too much without giving too much away. And I'd say Yeah. I mean, it's hard to explain too much without giving too much away. And I'd say it's one of the most outstanding bits of television I've seen in the last 10 years.

Yeah, okay. But just to give that a bit of context, you said about everything you've watched. Mate, if I give through a series, that means it's banging. It's incredible. It reminds me a bit of when me and you first discovered Married at First Sight. Yeah. And it was... it reminds me a bit of when me you know when me and you first discovered um uh married at first sight yeah and it was i'm sure the producers the traitors are rubbing their hands together

this comparison go on well no let me say first series we watched the australian one i didn't think people weren't trying to be as fat but then that's a smash here and then everyone else since then has basically tried to fucking if they all just want to be famous there's no one look in there anymore looking for love. They're all just going in there. And that's what ruins a show like that. Because everyone comes in. And don't get me wrong,

I thought in the last series there was a couple of nice people, but so many people are just obsessed. Are you now talking about the Australian one or the UK one? Because I've been watching this. I've been watching the UK. I've been watching the UK one.

I don't even know if I'm watching the latest one. It's the one with Matt and Whitney and Duker yeah that one look there's some moments in it I thought were brilliant but there's too many people in it and you need a little bit of that because it gives it a little bit of that sauce but when their

equilim slides into the place where more people are trying to be fucking what is it that slides Tom? the equilim? yeah that's a word isn't it place where more people are trying to be fine what is it the slides tom aqualums the equilibrium yeah yeah that's a word in it yeah all right so let me just see it sounds like something you secrete i've been sort of a pussy thick eculums coming out equilibrium hold up there we go There we go.

Equilum. Equilum is a fully managed end-to-end data integration. Oh, okay. So you used it correctly. So is that what you meant? No. Did you mean a fully integrated data management system? Equilum is a paragon as a single integral tool, the platform.

No, this isn't the tool. I thought it meant... Do you mean equilibrium, do you think? Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Right. And would that make sense in the sentence in which I replaced it? It would. It really would. Okay. Yeah.

So put that word back in. If you can, JT, just cut Romesh saying that word. Oh, you want to slip it in? Oh, okay, fine, fine, fine. Actually, JT, could you try doing doing that do that sentence as i said it and then just put romesh saying the right word if you put if you put the leave the initial conversation in and then at the end just slip it in to see if we could get away with that from now on and you need a little bit of that because it gives it a little bit of that sauce but when when when their equilibrium slides into the place

where more people are trying to be fucking... Do you mean equilibrium, do you think? Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. But it slided, I think, too much into the way of it being people wanting to be famous up against people looking for love. And it went too much in the wrong direction. Don't get me wrong, there were some great moments in that series.

Yeah. So, the Tra traitors is it worth going back to now is it is it something I'll have to watch when everyone else

I'd say watch it get you you and sweet lease y'all yourselves a couple

of right glasses of wine some some of those sweet sweet the last remains you

chocolate biscuits from over Christmas yeah get cozy on the sofa stick on traitors

I guarantee you're in for an absolute belting night of television here's a question for you with regards to last year's chocolate biscuits we have still got

quite a lot of Christmas cake and biscuits and stuff like that because I I like to have little gingerbread houses and shit like that

I like it to be nice for the kids it looks all like Christmasy like in Home Alone or something. What do I do with that now? Your house is like the house from Home Alone. Just shut up.

God, that was very root-wounder-y, wasn't it? Shut up. Oh, shut up! Do I eat that? I eat that, right? Yeah, I mean, you could eat it or give it to a food bank. It's up to you. that i eat that right yeah i mean you could eat it or give it to a food bank it's um what's the rule about giving gingerbread houses to a food bank is that have you have you touched them and eat lick them or eat or bitten them as you know as you know the first thing i do whenever i get gingerbread houses lick them from top to bottom just to see what they're about

so it's a stupid question. Have I licked the gingerbread house? Of course I have. No, but are they open? Are they still packaged? Obviously, gingerbread houses, I guess, have been opened. They've got a shelf life of about 100 years, right? Gingers, yeah. That's the one thing that will...

If we get nuclear bombed, the only things that are left will be cockroaches and ginger biscuits and what a time those cockroaches are going to have by the way there's a cockroach chowing down

another vagina I could fucking murder a hobnob shut up and eat your ginger biscuits that's what they take them all to space

ginger biscuits they take to space I just is this based in any kind of fact at all mate on last leg the other way there was an astronaut on it and who who was it uh i can't remember he was um he's the first ever uh astronaut coming from a was it tim peak no no what's the guy's name to be fair can i just say something by the way and i don't know what's wrong so when i did last leg i was on quite hardcore painkillers for my back i text you about this

i was i was in i was in quite a lot of pain so i'd had some painkillers i get to last leg and it's in like the special nerve-wracking live show live show also quite boozy as it's a new year's eve special right so i have a few beers before we go on literally within about 10 minutes of the show starting like i start to feel like i was floating i was genuinely like oh my god like and then it clicked to me that i'd had painkillers and i've had quite a few drinks by this time right and then the rest of the show is just a blur that i know is the television footage of me being there how did it how did it feel how did it feel like it was going when you were doing it absolutely terrifying like that that job is that's hard enough to do in front of a live

studio audience when you're talking about fucking news and stuff and you've got to have some sort of... I'm not well-read enough, which might surprise people, to have an opinion on anything anyway. But when I literally felt like I was rushing, I felt like... I mean, it was an incredible feeling. Had I been sitting on the sofa watching The Traitors,

it would have been amazing, in front of a live live studio audience so there was like an astronaut guy on there and he was he was a Paralympian who is now going into space right incredible young man incredible yeah but that's one of the questions I wanted to ask him it's like what junk food and biscuits did you take so I thought this is a story so but he didn't even say that i take ginger nuts so when i said to you is there any facts in this you went on to tell this story quite a long story by the way and it's not even confirming what you said no but when i was chatting to him a bit afterwards because i stayed for beer afterwards because i like to why not let's see how high you can get um well i thought at that point my paranoia kicked in i thought it's probably gonna be my last night i thought if you're gonna go out chat to a guy who's gonna go

to into space and josh willicam uh and that can be your uh and josh butters but josh was very worried actually he's very sweet to me josh shout out josh willicam um not so worried that he didn't demand i stayed for a few beers afterwards um so if yeah anyway i digress i got the aura around this guy that he would be taking some ginger nuts with him right okay you got the aura yeah yeah like a feeling around him if he was gonna have any biscuits i wish to god i'd asked i'll probably never meet him again but if i was to sort of if i passed with to cross again i'd say i i wanted to ask but i was too high at the time what would you take if you went on a spaceship um I would take

um I'd probably take black truffle crisps oh my god I've become honestly I've become addicted no hold on

hold on you prick hold on what why does that make me you've said a lot of things truffle is I hate truffle

I hate it it's one of my worst things I think actually it's one of the worst inventions in humanity ever well it wasn't it's not an invention right well it's one of my worst things. I think it's one of the worst inventions in humanity ever. Well, it's not an invention. Right. Well, it's one of the worst things we've found.

The smell of it absolutely makes me feel sick, like I'm going to gag. Right. And now it's everywhere. You can't go somewhere now. You're only giving me reasons to fucking bring it on a spaceship with you. The idea that I would be bringing my favorite snack and you'd be fucking bulking the whole time one absolute treat it's i hate the i

hate everything that truffle not not even just the taste the smell but everything it stands for what do you mean everything it stands for it's just a prick like genuinely it's like it's one of those things now that's overtaken everything like i defy i think every every it's not mate it's in every restaurant now and it always slits way into all kinds of dishes we have talked about we have talked about food extensively on this podcast and god knows we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about and i'm pretty sure this is the first time Truffle has come up. Yeah, because I was never going to bring it up. It's the only fucking place in this podcast

where it's not raised its ugly little face. Why do you hate Truffle so much? Look, what I hate is it basically, so you'll go into somewhere, right? And you'll go, oh, you know what? I might have to leak a potato soup, right? Yeah. And it's got truffle oil on it.

You want some chips? They'd already know you're a connoisseur from that order. So go on. Hold on, we've got a foodie in, guys, after the leek and potato soup. Don't truffle oil. They'll put it on, they'll put it all over chips, right?

All sorts of, like, chicken. Sure, sure, sure. But, okay, fine. The other day I went to a restaurant that had truffle fucking scrapings on it. Yeah, okay, fine. I do think we're talking about different things there because I'm talking about black truffle crisps, right?

Yep. So that is not a truffle coming in where it's not wanted no no no fair enough you are you are asking you are basically you're requesting truffle flavor and that's what's being delivered i think that's slightly different to what you're talking about which is where you order something else and truffles been smuggled in. I understand that because truffle is actually, I'm actually agreeing with you, truffle's a very particular flavour. The idea that everybody would be equally accepting of it is... One person needs to have it in the restaurant

for everyone else to basically have truffle in their meal. If you're a small restaurant, I went to a lovely Italian restaurant not so long ago, one person, four tables down, was having fucking truffle oil on something. It's very strong. We might as well have all just slathered it all over our food. And then people

look down their nose if you have tomato ketchup. I'm like, my tomato ketchup does not infringe everyone else's fucking meal.

It goes perfectly with leek and potato, so back off. I just find, I find it really, really fucking irritating. Fine.

But my point is I do like these I've just like they've become are they very truffly the swans tried them and she thinks they're very truffly

is she a truffle fan which makes it even better she doesn't mind I'd sooner lick every one of your toes without socks on than eat truffle is that true

continually we've got a live show coming up I'll do it man we fucking know we need something just take your time over the big tights

we've got another ten minutes to kill her or I was going to tell her the fucking anecdote alright should we do some emails yeah bro

our email account on the Wolf and House absolutely riddled by the way with like adverts and people saying that I've made it free to the next stage

of a raffle and whatever you're not signing up to stuff buying stuff no I've not mate I've not

signed up to anything it's just like automatically doing it um okay this is from Anon Please alright lads

love the pod I could do with your help in my boyfriend's friends group uh there are around 10 guys and 1 girl let's call her the lioness the first time I met the lioness was at a house party we went up to her and I was super friendly as I'd heard lots about her

we were standing in the kitchen alone and I told her a funny story from a holiday I'd just been on, no loud music playing so she could definitely hear what I was saying she wouldn't even look at me and ignored everything I said, just staring down at the floor in silence, 5 minutes later we're back with the rest of the group, my boyfriend told me to tell my story from Five minutes later, we're back with the rest of the group. My boyfriend told me to tell my story for my holiday.

When I told the same story in front of the group, she absolutely died laughing like she just heard it for the first time. I found it a bit weird. I brought it up to my boyfriend, but he said she was probably just drunk or something. Fast forward to recently. We're at a small gathering, sitting in chairs in a semicircle. The lioness arrives at the party and goes around the room,

hugging each person individually. When she gets to me, I go to stand up and say say hi she doesn't look at me and hugs the next person she literally went around the circle hugging every single person and ignored me i was super taken aback by this and had to go to the toilet for a quick breather i haven't encountered this type of sly bitchy behavior since i was a teenager i can't even believe there are people in their late 20s who act like this the worst part is she's really nice to me in front of everyone else so nobody notices it's kind of like gaslighting. I think she's threatened because I have a great

relationship with the guys and she likes being the only girl in the group. I spoke to my boyfriend about it and he said I should just be super nice and pretend like I haven't noticed her being rude. He isn't keen to say anything as it will turn into a bigger issue, which I get. I would happily take that approach, but it doesn't stop me from feeling super shit after she ignores me as rude to me. I'm at a place in my life where I want to surround myself

with positive, kind people, so it makes me not want to attend their parties anymore because I just can't be bothered feeling anxious about it. Any help would be much appreciated. Lots of love. Love, the pink jellyfish. P.S. Romesh, you need to back yourself more because you're a low-key dilf. Wow. I'd agree with that

by the way. I think you're fucking out. No disrespect to this one, you're also a... Okay, now we know why this one has selected this. Okay. Tommy D um i just scratched my armpit do you see that oh by the way listen let me tell you something i showered in front i showered in front of the swan for the first time f last week beautiful i'd love to have been there that'd have been a nice moment anyway i have discovered that i do something in the shower that is weird and that is when i turn the hot water on i like to alternate my shoulders that the hot water's hitting and so i kind of rock from side to side

i didn't know i did this right did the swamp it point this out did she point it out she's been fucking roasting me about it ever since. Oh, really? I bet after a few drinks you let fire with that one. Yeah, in front of everyone. Everybody else apparently just stands completely stationary. No, no, no. I like to vary where the water's hitting me.

Do you know what I mean? So I kind of do a little bit of a... I've got an element of that. I think if you went and watched 200 people in showers, everyone's got a different vibe. I go in first i get the head nice and wet then i just work yeah how long you taking over your ass by the way a long time yeah i i i would say during the average shower i sort of target that valley four times. Yeah, same. I would say roughly. I think as well,

it's like I've noticed, sorry to the jellyfish for digressing here, I've noticed that I'm taking longer and longer. The older I get, the longer I'm in the shower for. But you know why, don't you?

Because it's a break. Maybe. It's like a little, it's a little bit of time to yourself where you just get on with your thing. It's enjoyable to scrub yourself with a bit of hot water, your lather get on with your thing it's enjoyable to scrub yourself

with a bit of hot water you know what, I will never ever tire of just lathering your body up and rinsing it off it's a beautiful simple pleasure the thing for your back get one please

get one the back scrubber they're beautiful where do you leave it No, I haven't. Get one, please. Get one. The back scrubber? You've got a back scrubber? Yeah. They're beautiful, man. Where do you leave it when you're not... Do you just lean it against the corner of the shower, do you? No, no, no.

You sometimes hang it... I've got my... We have two bathrooms. Catherine has a bathroom. I have a bathroom. So I usually hang it up on the... She's taken over the en suite. I've got the main bathroom.

But yes, I hang it by the shower. Lovely. And you've got to change it. You can't keep it forever. How long and you've got to change it you can't keep it forever how long are you how long are you changing i slipped on the arm like an old drunk at a christmas party um let me tell you another thing oh i'm sorry armrest got away from me there shaky little sod i reckon i change it every month to two months. Jesus. Okay.

You've got to be careful, man. Anyway, I digress. Pink jellyfish. Go to the pink jellyfish. Weirdly, pink jellyfish, me and Catherine have almost been right through this identical situation. When I first got with Catherine until sort of quite a little so quite recently um within our group of friends we had a situation a little bit like this and uh it's a difficult one to sort of sum up and it's a difficult one to talk about because it's still

quite a raw thing but I think when it comes to sort of someone like this uh the person that let's call her Linus is threatened by your by you coming into the group it's a massive threat and when you say about the the situation of you know it it feeling very school ground and very playground and very sort of team some people never grow out of that because they've never got to the world around them allows them to sort of behave as long as they want to behave, until they're truly tested in a way that there's no repercussions for this kind of behaviour. But I sort of sympathise a little bit,

you know, I sympathise with you, I sympathise with your boyfriend, because I had the same way of dealing with this as he's got. I kind of didn't want to rock the boat. I probably wasn't strong enough as a person to sort of stand up and say that enough's enough. I probably let that go on longer than it should have until we just sort of started distancing ourselves

from that situation and from that group because it started to get a little bit toxic and it started to get a little bit... Every time we were out with them, it started to get a little bit toxic and it started to get a little bit, every time we were out with them, it started to get quite, yeah, it wasn't a fun thing to be around. And I realised the impact that was having on Catherine and Catherine's mental health. So I think when it comes down to it, I think you've got to, yeah,

it's a choice you want to make, really. I think it's having a really honest conversation with your boyfriend. I don't know how long you've conversation with your boyfriend. I don't know how long you've been with him, but I think the person's threatened by you. They're probably threatened by the fact that you're funny, other people like you. For other reasons, that's down to them. And there's nothing you can really do about that. Because what you'll realise is the other people around her have allowed her to behave like this. And they'll probably allow that for a long long

time going forward they'll probably never until something quite amazing happens they'll just let that be and really as well that there's a sign of it and and it's really easy just to look at someone at like that with absolute strength that they're a really strong person or they're they're going through their own shit they're having to go through whatever they're going through their own shit. They're having to go through whatever they're going through. And even with the person that I'm talking about, my heart always goes out to them a bit because I realised that everyone, for the most part, is struggling with something.

We're all going through, and it's really easy to sort of look at certain people and pick them out as being strong characters that don't suffer at all. But by nature, the way that they'll survive is is through the way that this person survived with you which is in quite a toxic way and i doubt that they're happy with that i doubt that they're i don't think they probably sit in you know wherever they get their quiet time on their own time and they've got a sort of look at their behavior i don't think they look at it with any pride. I think that's just the survival instinct that they've got,

and it's what they've learned. And they worry, I think, as soon as they let any sign of weakness go, that they'll be questioned. And that's, yeah. So anyway, I really sort of struggle with advice-wise. So I think it's just, yeah, I mean, my thing was just to try and avoid those scenarios and avoid that group and sort of move away from it a little bit.

And that sort of, yeah, that felt the best thing to do at the time. So I don't know whether you and your other half want to do that or not, but anyway, uh, I hope it, I'd literally,

I feel I've given you any advice and I've just rattled on about my own problems, but, um, yeah, I hope, I hope you find some sort of way of dealing with this uh pink jellyfish uh thank you so much for your email um i agree i sort of partially

agree with tom partially disagree with tom uh i think he's absolutely right where like whenever you're dealing with a situation where somebody's being a prick or you perceive them to be in a being a prick that can often be dissolved by putting yourself in their position and maybe sort of thinking because very few people are actual fucking assholes do you know i mean they may behave like that they may present as that but they're not that in their core and you know i can't speculate based on just this email as to what this, why the lioness is behaving like this, but I would say, you know, it's possibly she's threatened by you.

It's possible that being the one girl that's friends with a load of tech with 10 guys, it's a difficult situation. And then, you know, she's had to hold her own or whatever. And then you've turned up and she feels threatened by you. I don't know.

And you know, who knows one day you might end up being friends and you get to the bottom of that. Um, and it might even be something you want to talk to her about. And like, you know, who knows? One day you might end up being friends and you get to the bottom of that. And it might even be something you want to talk to her about. And like, you know, there is a possibility that you could say to her when you're having a conversation. I get the impression that do we not get on? You know, you could say in like a in a kind of a light way to try and see what she says. Do you know what I mean?

But the problem is a difficult one because you find her behavior annoying but that's still that's a big group of friends that you kind of want to still hang around with i uh this might not be useful advice but i think the way that you respond to this is completely in your control and uh how upsetting this might be is completely in your control as well i think your boyfriend might be right i i think if she wants to behave like this that's up to her um i think you can choose whether to react to it or not and if you're in a situation where it's just the two of you can either talk to her about it or not talk to her you can just accept the fact that she's not going to talk to him it's just you two and you avoid

situations where it is just you two um and you just carry on hanging out with that group of friends and decide that you are going to disconnect yourself from any kind of emotional reaction to how she behaves you now know that's how she behaves it's unreasonable it's irrational and so therefore it no longer affects you this is not somebody whose opinion of you you care about so why do you care if they like you or not you want to hang out with the other people. It feels like it would be easier for your boyfriend if you do carry on hanging out with these people. So you hang out with those people

and you completely disengage from what she's like. Do you know what I mean? And however she behaves, you're completely bulletproof. It doesn't matter what she does. It doesn't matter what she says. It doesn't matter if she ignores you because you don't want to be friends with her. You don't care.

You're there for your boyfriend and you're there to be with the groups. With the groups with the group sorry so um i literally think immediately you can disengage from this and and not allow it to bother you anymore um would be my advice but also there is an option for you to actually raise it with her and go you know what's the deal and you don't have to do that in a confrontational way you can do it in a very chilled way see what she says um good luck with it pink jellyfish i hope that's useful happy new year thank you so much for your email and uh yeah i'll try i'll go forward backing myself more thank you for your advice

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That's why I paused. Wow. Because I was... A hermit crab, I was expecting. Yeah, that's what I was expecting, yeah. But The Hermit is someone who doesn't go out, right? Yeah, that's not an animal, is it? That's just I paused. Wow. Because I was... A hermit crab, I was expecting. Yeah, that's what I was expecting, yeah. But the hermit is someone who doesn't go out, right? Yeah, that's not an animal, is it? That's just a hermit.

No, it's just a person, yeah. Yeah, okay. Hello, Wolf, Owl, Cat and Swan. Hope you are all well. I'm emailing from work because it's very quiet today. I'm very dead in the shop and I thought I'd email in. My dad, the Mallard, is the best dad I could have asked for, but sometimes I feel like I'm not the best son to him

as I hermit in my room as it's a comfort zone. I also often go out with friends, but I find that I don't seem to spend time with my dad as much dad I could have asked for, but sometimes I feel like I'm not the best son to him as I hermit in my room as it's a comfort zone. I also often go out with friends, but I find that I don't seem to spend time with my dad as much as I could. I have a younger sister and my dad works in a 40-minute, works a 40-minute car drive away. Find it hard to make plans around my sister and work. Any advice?

Sorry if this doesn't make too much sense. Love from the hermit. Tommy D. Yo, I think it's quite a usual feeling to feel like you're not always the best son and that you want to do more stuff with your dad or with your mum

or with a sibling I felt a lot like this through probably most of my most of my 20s really when I was when I was 17 my dad had sort of through probably most of my 20s, really. When I was 17, my dad had sort of a big bad accident where he nearly died.

And I was the first person to see when that happened. And it was quite a difficult thing, really. I really sort of struggled from that to sort of... I never thought, was I doing enough and then I think probably for most of my 20s I was a bit of a letdown to both my parents I really ever think that I I was just a bit of a loser I never really achieved anything I was sort of I was laboring I was going nowhere um and I think I was probably quite embarrassed about the fact that I didn't want to have any um you know I sort of I didn't yeah I just didn't feel that far I was ever enough and actually the truth is that you know as a as a

child and now having a child myself you realize that yours will be I think the thing when it comes to is just just doing things together just for the sake of doing them is never a good thing for any any relationship whether that's your father, whether it's your friends, whether it's your brother or sister, whatever. I think doing stuff that really matters and just enjoying that time together is the thing that really, really, really sort of becomes memorable. So it's like New Year this year, as it is, it sounds wrong. Wompski was out having the time of his life getting smashed, we had a very, very memorable game of Monopoly. As a family it was amazing, we sat down, we had some drinks, we had a real laugh. As a family we had a really nice time and that felt out of nowhere, it was a real

memory for us all. And I think it's trying to create those things, I think it's trying to... I live quite a long way away from my parents so I don't see them as much to do. So what I do, I try to do nice things that we'll all talk about and we'll all remember. And I think that's finding a thing in common that you have, finding something that you do together. But I think just not forcing yourself to do stuff. You do stuff that you think you're going to enjoy and he's going to enjoy and you enjoy that together. And, uh, you know,

I wouldn't kick yourself too much about being a hermit and just being in your bed all the time. You'll, you'll learn to fly when you can, brother. I think at the moment it's, you know, for whatever reason,

that's where you feel safe. And I think you should be judged by that moment. So, um, uh, yeah, just, just,

yeah, small steps, steps bro small steps my g uh as always wonderful advice from tom davis there uh the hermit listen i would agree with tom if your room is your comfort zone um then that's fine do you know i mean don't punish yourself for that that is what your life is and don't try and force yourself to be something you're not because you feel that's what you should be. With regards to spending time with your old man, I am I'm in a similar situation with my mum where I don't see my mum as much as I would like to. Or, you know, we get busy. We both get busy. And I think sometimes just finding little things. It doesn't have to be a big thing. You don't have to spend the day.

You don't have to do things like that. But even like going, should we go out for a coffee or should we have breakfast together or whatever, just trying to look for opportunities to do that is a good thing to do, I would say. Because currently, if you organise a thing where you think I've got to spend quality time, we've got to spend quality time with each other, puts a lot of pressure on it whereas if you just go

well you know maybe we'll have toast and tea together and just have a little chat and even if that's 10-15 minutes or whatever it's still a good thing and what you'll find is it starts to become easier the more you do that because what you want to do is or what ideally you want to be in a position where you feel like you've got a decent relationship with your dad and i think the fact that you feel like you don't spend as much time with him as you could means that you've recognized that there's an issue there do you know what i mean so um i would look to you know take small steps like tom said it's not all about suddenly you're with your dad all the time but just go do you want to have a pint or do you want to have a coffee or do you want to do you want to just go out for breakfast or do you want to go for whatever i

don't need to list you all the social situations that you could meet up but like just little things like that or watching a program together or whatever it is just maybe looking for those opportunities to do that and what i think you'll most likely find is the more that you do it the easier it becomes do you know what i mean and um yeah good luck with it man but um i would say if you're feeling like it's a problem it probably is so uh best of luck with it but do not punish yourself for being in your room and all that kind of stuff there's nothing wrong with that man live your life the way that makes you feel most comfortable uh good luck to you and happy new year. Big love. Do you want to do one more?

Yeah, my G. You've got a bit of a belch there coming up. You know, it's down to a lot of water. What have you got for dinner tonight, by the way? I'm going to do a vegetable tagine. Homemade? Yeah, homemade. Lovely, lovely.

Have you got a news resolution, by the way? Yeah, I i don't know i find it really hard to have a new year's resolution do you disagree with them you're about to have a go at me for even suggesting no no no i usually try and make them and i sort of now feel a bit like i put so i put a lot of pressure on myself when i put myself those things and i have to wait like wait lay it because otherwise yeah so new year's resolution wise no nothing massive i have a weight target and i'd like to play better golf and that's the two things uh okay are we keeping you for something you just looked at you watched them into answer what's going on no no no it's just uh grace has got a little bit of a fever so okay well there you there you go. You've made me look like an absolute prick there.

Well, yeah, I told you before the record, so you knew about it. You're just fucking, you're a goddaughter who she actually idolises you. The only thing she's laughed at all day is you're the weakest link. She's smart and we're like, oh, she's feeling better

because her uncle Romesh is on. She loves a bit of quiz, doesn't she? Little Grace. Here you go. My New Year's resolution is to become a better cook and i am formally inviting you katherine and grace to our house for a three-course meal fully cooked by me we're gonna film this i'm looking i'm thinking i need six months to get up to you're obviously welcome to come over

before then obviously but in terms of this target meal I would love to cook for all of you a lovely meal and I'm going to target to getting better it's going to be vegan just to give you a little warning that's incredible if you're going to do that I might just learn something like the pogo stick

I'll definitely come and then when I come round i can show it's like a really random completely unconnected thing why would you do that just then when um when i when i come around to yours like you're you're cooking a meal and then the boys are like oh my god dad dad dad tom's got a pogo stick and then i'll say i mean at the end of the day i'll say to lisa did you enjoy today she goes yeah i mean i would have rather the floor wasn't completely fucked. But yeah, it's been fun. Anyway. This is from... that'd be lovely

six yeah six one time you know I'm a pretty amazing cook so that'd be incredible yeah I know you are

I know you are so you're going to be quite a harsh judge which is perfect oh no no there's one thing I'm not the only thing is

if there's truffle in it I will fucking yeah I'll leave probably so okay there you go

Barn Owl this is from. Oh, the sweet, sweet Barnow. Hey, T, my partner just got us tickets to your show at the Southbank Centre on the 7th of Jan for my Christmas present. Clearly, she's a legend, and I've chosen wisely, but there's still a sticking point I'd really appreciate your advice on. I'll try to keep it concise, because it's really not that complicated, and I feel like the question might divide the room.

In short, I don't take drugs, and I never never have done i've had a few medical complications as a child that has resulted in me caught my caution towards taking them anyway my partner is by no means an addict but does like to party with my friendship group every now and again it makes me feel uncomfortable it's been quite tricky to navigate how to feel and find any resolution i voice how i feel about it and it matched with her feeling like it shouldn't be an issue she enjoys doing it recreationally she should be very in reason to do it i agreed to being okay with it as long as it wasn't done in front of me but that only made things worse i could tell that it was being done behind my back and that just felt shady i guess my question to you are a is it something i should make peace with

is it something my partner has control of and should be able to enjoy herself and b is it controlling to only really feel like it's settled if she stops taking them i'm being honest it feels like if she loved me then it would be a no-brainer as it makes you feel uncomfortable but that seems unfair to put that kind of weight on the situation perhaps in the case of agree to disagree i'm not sure i'd really appreciate her advice as week by week you guys seem to put in such a pragmatic and honest approach to everyday problems i think it's also important to point out she doesn't get out of control high or waist it's all pretty tame can't wait to see in the new year big laugh bar now tell me do it yeah um so i i kind of think that if it's something she enjoys doing and while i never um

uh facilitate the uh the use of any uh class age um i would say that she she kind of needs to get out of her system herself and she needs to just to sort that out or or she needs to basically just she needs to go through whatever she's going through to then get to a point where she's like whatever life moment comes in and she goes i actually you know what i don't want to do this anymore that's enough and then she'll stop. The fact is that if you try and control that, and if you try and push that too much and say that you're not doing that anymore, I don't want you to do that anymore,

or this and give her an ultimatum or become too sort of hardcore, there's an element of that that you're trying to control or you're trying to push whatever's happened to you. And it's, you know, whatever you've been through in your health problems. And, you know, that's probably saved you ever having to go through all this this stuff but she has she has to find her own way through this and you pushing pushing that too much and sort of sort of putting that alongside the fact of um she doesn't love you if you know if she doesn't give it up then i think is you're putting too much weight on that on that that thing i don't think it's the fact that you can't put those

two things together you gotta let her run the course with what she's doing and you know i think you kind of got to make your peace with it if i'm honest i think that's the that's the best way of doing it i think you gotta let it. It's like anything in life. You've got to let people find their own course, let them make their own journey because you can't steer them where they've got to go because they'll just go somewhere for a little while and then they'll get back on that road again.

Nine times out of ten, it'll be a journey you won't be making with them. Bloody hell. That was a profound way of ending that. I totally agree with Tom. There's two reasons why I think that you need to try and make your peace with it. One is a selfish one, and it's basically that if you make your partner feel like she needs to stop doing that, she'll either start doing it behind your back anyway,

or she'll stop doing it because she loves you, and then she'll resent you for it in years to come. The truth is the pattern of drug behaviour, certainly recreational drugs, is people, as Tom said, tend to kind of do them for a while, and then you just kind of grow out of it, or you stop doing it, and every now and again you do it when you want to have a good time or whatever, you feel like dipping back in, or for nostalgia's sake or whatever.

It doesn't sound like it's a problem. It sounds like something she's able to dip in and out of. And so for that reason, I think in terms of saving you from issues down the line, I think you probably need to just make peace with it, really. I know it's frustrating because I know you haven't gone into details, but it might be upsetting that you don't feel all right to dabble in it because of your medical history. And it feels a bit unfair, I guess, but that is just life.

And I think if she's doing it and it's not a problem, I think you kind of need to let her get on with it um and and also the other thing is is that you know it is her choice you know and if it's not a situation where she's not you know if it was a thing where she's not wanting to go out with you or spend time with you because she's wanting to go out and get off her face then I think that's a different problem if it's something where it's not really affecting you and it just upsets you when she's doing it then I kind of think she should be able to be able to be free to make those decisions for herself and the truth is in all likelihood it will probably come to a natural end anyway and it'll be something that she does every now and again but I kind of think my inclination would be for you to

kind of learn to to live with it as best you can. And I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear, but that's, I kind of think that's the easiest option really. Uh, so good luck with it by now. Uh, and thank you for coming to the show.

Look forward to seeing you. Tom. Yo, we come to the end of our first episode of 2023. Do you want to carry on doing these little closes or are you about to make an announcement that you don't want to do them anymore well i will keep doing them as long as we've got to do a podcast and doing them to different levels of success okay that sounds great and i could see people friends loved ones another year sits here alongside the year that just finished, the year that begins.

And the pressures that we can put ourselves under are limitless and bountifulness. But remember this, for every shell that you see upon a beach that could have been a pebble or a piece of sand, for every piece of grass that hasn't been trampled down for every tree that stands strong that hasn't been cut down there are other ones that were cut down or other bits of grass that are trampled while you're still standing you're still in the runway still got yourself in the mixer be proud to know you have made it you are one of the successful

ones i don't even know where this is going now this might be the worst one i've ever done have i got did i get in your head a little bit do you think it felt a bit like a moment from the traitors okay let me try this goals what are goals goals goals What are goals? Hmm. Goals. Goals. What are goals? Well, friends, goals can be two posts in a bar with a netting behind it in a local park that kids are kicking a ball into. Or a goal could be a goal that's set on a hockey pitch that people are slamming a puck into.

Goals can be all kinds of things, but the goals that matter most to us are those own goals. And I'm not talking about the ones that the Leicester City player scored the other day versus Liverpool. I'm talking about the goals you set yourself. See, actually scoring goals in any kind of stadium or any kind of facility is pretty hard. Why do we put so much pressure on our own goals? Keep them small. Keep the goals that you want to achieve and the goals that you want to score enough that when you score them you can celebrate and give yourself a pat on the back we're not all footballers we don't all get 60 000 people cheering and your teammates jumping over you and a news reporter telling

you what an amazing strike it was and a manager telling you who's going to buy you a new car every time we score a goal but what we do have is our own minds and our own hearts so anytime you get a little success, anytime you score a goal, look at the mirror and say, well done. And imagine the round of applause and your teammates, who are your brain and your heart, jumping on you and saying,

well done, we win today. Really, really nice. Really nice. JT can make that work. You're up against it there, weren't you? Yeah, yeah. The first one was absolutely terrible. Yeah.

If I'm honest with you, the cold snap really came in just before that. And then you got in my head with quite a bit of a traitor-esque move. I didn't mean to. I hope you've got a banging song to go out on. I have, actually. It's Slum Village, Tainted. I've actually it's Slum Village Tainted I've been listening to Slum Village a lot recently

I thoroughly recommend them little bit of golden era hip hop for you JT take us out with a little bit of Tainted from Slum Village guys

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we've negotiated with the unions and we feel like we're pretty close to an agreement and if it comes to it Romesh will drive around and pick up everyone

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trying to figure it out. So we'll keep you posted on that. Big. Okay, guys. Take care. See you at the live shows. Look after yourselves. Love you. Thank you. I'm trying to strum you like guitars and it's big. They can sit around and chuck it to Blase's place. Plus, you got a man, but he ain't quite me. The type of man that try to give you what you need. And he want to know where you are, where you be, where you going, where you stay, where you subject to be.

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