Wolf and Owl - S2 Ep 36: Return Of The Bonus

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

The bonus episodes are back baby! First up, a quick chat about post-exercise aches and the long-awaited return of Party Rom. Then we tackle some email questions about doing standup whilst being a teacher, getting over heart-break, not missing someone, more nicknames and a potential new jingle for the pod. Thanks for all your messages - keep them coming at [e-mail] For questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List- https://wolfandowlpod.com/ A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship, let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear is a huff, a puff and puff and expect killings red spilling and flesh ripping impressive in it the death bringing his head spinning just kidding every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog hello oh my goodness what a treat what a treat the bonus are back boy bonus episode

ting up in your face bonus episode from the wolf and owl bonus episode talky talky in how long how long are we going to do this for like half an hour

about half an hour so we decided because Tom and I felt like you know well no we haven't done a bonus episode for what over a year It must be at least a year. Okay, so you thought we did a bonus episode. We've chosen some emails

I have rather the swarm was very busy this week We digress so much you had the two-prong thing and oh, yeah, but it's not really that I'll tell it very quickly First of all, you know, I start to Matt Chrissy. Yeah, so he did a really that. I'll tell it very quickly. All right, here. First of all, you know I started talking about Chrissy? Yeah. So he did a very intense leg day with me. Right. Very intense. Right.

And now I can't get into or out of a car without having to be supported by one of the children. Wow. I have to think very carefully about going upstairs or downstairs. I have to think very carefully about going upstairs or downstairs. Taking a shit is something I have to mentally prepare for for about five, six minutes before I go to do it. It's really bad, man. Wow, that's like a hell of a leg session. Yeah, it was mad.

I think I did like 100 squats. Yeah, well, weighted squats or just... Yeah, weighted. Goblet squats? I did goblet squats as well as barbell squats is it barbell what's the long one uh and then the other thing i did was is that night i ended up being up for 24 hours party room was out in full of physect wowza because that night i went to see friction friend of the podcast at the common board in brighton and oh my goodness. It was

live. Well, you didn't go to sleep? Well, I didn't get back till like five, six o'clock. Wow. Jeez, boy. I was, you know, I behaved myself.

Did you? First time in a long time I've woken up without the sort of fear about my behaviour, I would say. How drunk were you? How wavy were you?

I would say I managed to find the sweet spot and stay there. Nice. That's actually a very incredible thing that you've done right there. It's probably the second time it's happened to me in my 44 years on this earth. When did you catch up with the sleep? I haven't. Wow.

What I will say to you, though, is I am very caffeinated. Can you tell? Could you tell from the previous episode? To be fair, from this episode of the last, I think this almost, this is as electric as you said, you sounded for a while. So yeah.

Whatever you do, maybe this is the way forward. Yeah. Once a week, you just don't sleep. Yeah. You could just be out in the prowl like a cat. Prowling the streets.

Yeah. Looking for a party. Yeah. That'd be like a good sort of, yeah. You should get like a video guy with you videographer videographer yeah it's a good idea and then you just yeah because after um after last time when i got some video footage with me out and about and you used it as a basically a running roast which which culminated in you demanding that i dance at the live shows so yeah definitely will be i definitely will be up for doing that again you're absolutely

no i just think it's like i could imagine you being like you know like jackass or something you've got a guy with you like hold up hold up wayne come over here mate come over here can you hear that sounds like a party and what does party one like one anything music and tequila and then you like knock on the door and then someone else is going oh my god rubbish you're like not tonight friend party rom and then you just come like that you're like dancing to the room that dance that you do and everyone's just clapping and then like he's sort of like zooming in on your face really close up as you're just having the time of your life. Thank you, Tom. Okay, should we do an email? Yes, let's do it baby.

Okay, this is from. Wow! Oh shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. No, but also- No shit, I fucked up there. I fucked up there. They've actually done a name. Can we bleep that out, JT? I made a huge error. This is from the Deaf Marmoset.

They say, Dear Al Swan and Wolf, just about to start my PGCE, teacher training, and I'm absolutely buzzing. I'm super enthusiastic. I'm super enthusiastic about teaching love the subject and I'm really passionate about the prospect of being in the classroom however there's something niggling away at me that I've always been passionate about

I've always loved comedy I've even done open mic nights while I was at uni in Brighton sometimes with some success my question is how possible do you think it is to be able to start a comedy career while balancing teaching in the social media age? I'm conscious that online footage of a teacher doing dick jokes is not necessarily going to fly while trying to hold down a teaching job. Don't get me wrong, I want to teach. I just always fantasise I'd eventually transition into comedy once I'd done a so-called proper job.

Hope you can shed some light. Thank you for the podcast. Much love, the deaf marmoset. This could be you, like, ten Much love, the deaf marmoset. This is like, this could be you like 10 years ago, writing in. It's like this person is, this feels like you getting your feathered wing around this marmoset and just saying, come with me.

And then just sort of like flying. I don't even know how big a marmoset is, but flying around with him and just showing him the sights. But my, my advice would be, number one, it sounds mental, I'd focus on, you like the teaching thing,

have that as your principal focus, a good trade, something you've got to fall back on. You've wanted it for a while, sounds like you're passionate about it and that's a really, really good thing. And then I think at the side, keep the open mic, keep the comedy going. I think it's a great outlet.

I think if you're worried about dick jokes and such coming out or anything that's profoundly rude and that worries you, then don't do those sorts of jokes. I think it's a good bit of education for anyone on stage is try, you don't really want to say stuff ever on stage that you're not going to stand by and say like, you know, or have to defend at some point for the reason you find it funny. So I think if straight off the bat you're thinking you don't want that stuff coming out,

then I'd probably just be a little bit wary of those things. It's weirdly uninteresting. I had a mate that I went to school with who's messaged me the other day, and he sort of, at that point in his life, he sort of got a bit of a crossroads, and he was sort of like, I'm just going to be a stand-up, because I think it's really fun.

I'm really, really funny, and I think it's quite an easy thing to do. I think it's... I think thing to do um i think it's i think so many people have an idea that and i probably did actually to an extent how quite how how being a sort of a decent stand-up is in the last like year probably eight months i've realized quite how it's so tech is it is right rob you're on it's a full-on job in it it's what doing stand-up or teaching both but stand-up is like if you want to get good you've got to throw so much behind it well it it it's a tricky one because not a tricky one it's very simple to me is that i did teacher train and i didn't do pgc i did gtp and so up just for, um, myself and any listener who doesn't know what

happened, what's the difference? So, so PGC is when you go to union, you do a teaching qualification and GTP is like, I don't even know if they still do it. It's called graduate teacher programs. If you already got a degree and then basically you don't go to uni, your qualification is done in a school you have a school as a base oh wow and you do a course and then they start getting you to teach straight away not straight away they wouldn't put you completely unqualified in front of a class and you're always supervised even when you start doing it but you basically are paid a salary like a

really low salary or relatively low salary but um but it's a way of doing it without i think it's like when they they brought in because they were desperate for people to go into the profession which i believe they still are but um so yeah i did that but when what i would say about that is i was at that stage for every hour i was teaching it would take me an hour and a half to plan because i just didn't know what you know because I was so new to it and you're trying to figure out how to do, you got, you know, and then eventually it becomes instinctive. And then I was planning lessons very quickly. But what I would say is stand up requires you to work in the evenings, obviously.

And if you're doing your PGCE, you're gonna have to do loads of work in the evening. So almost feels like I would do that. I would focus on one for a little bit and then maybe when you get a bit more comfortable, start doing the gigs. Because if you start deciding that you're going to go onto hardcore gigging, you do that every night. When I started gigging all the time,

I mean, Tom, you're going through it now when you're trying to warm up for the tour. Yeah. You basically have to get into a rhythm of it. So I was gigging every night. I was only not doing Sundays. i was doing monday or saturday and that's all right when you're when your job is like you got comfortable enough with your job that you can manage that but when i was doing gtp there's no absolutely no way i could have done anything in the evenings because like it just was taking all of my mental energy to do teaching so um

yeah that's kind of my take. I've absolutely hijacked your answer there, Tom. Sorry, but anyway, that's my take. But we found out a little bit about different teaching courses, which was quite interesting. Yeah, we did, yeah. And that's what people come to this for. So it's worked out really well.

I imagine people now are going, I don't think they should bother with the bonuses. I think it's all right just them doing the one a week. You know, I messaged you once saying you do one hour a week. Surely you must have more. They did a bonus. Turns out they don't. So anyway, Def Marber's there.

Our advice to you. Tom, have you got more to add to that? I think your advice was you put a lot of pressure on yourself for the first time you're doing the emails and you've insisted we do a bonus episode with your emails. It's too much. Yeah. It's a lot of pressure on your shoulders, isn't it? It's a lot of pressure on me.

Yeah. This is too much. Who'd have thought after all of the work-related pressures I've had, this is going to be the one that's going to push me over the top what was it what was it that finally what was it that finally did for romesh i was actually the one week where they decided to do two episodes and he had to choose emails himself absolutely him poor guy's never been the same you know like when you know that one of those guys like done an acid tab and never come down that's what rubbish is like you'll be like you know that episode of sherry griffin where he's just in

the shower just all sort of like curled up you'd be like that that's fine um what have you got next for us email king oh um the next email is oh this is this is um it's quite sad actually it's from the sad anteater but i think the reason i chose this is i think we're gonna have some good advice i think you are anyway because you're good at this sort of stuff having said that i've absolutely ladled the pressure on there so you put so much pressure on yourself to retaliate you've thrown yeah yeah i'm in a slight pickle i'm 22 but i've just gotten out of a six six year relationship wow not mutually very much dumped i've sought closure and understand why she can't and i understand why she can't continue the relationship any longer but i'm naturally

devastated as it revolves around it revolves around her seeing me more as a friend than a long-term boyfriend i find myself thinking about to see if i could have done anything differently she was the center of my world it's a sweet sweet soul and one of the funniest people i've ever met i'm unsure if i'll ever meet anyone like her again i know i'm young but most of the advice i've received so far are things along the lines of the best way to get over a girl is to get under one oh god it's pretty useless and i doubt i'll get any happiness from it i'm finding it extremely difficult to see a future without still holding on to a strand of hope. She may want to reignite the relationship. Not a healthy thing, I know.

Do I stay friends with her? I find it hard to solely see her as a friend rather than a partner, but don't want to lose her. Any general advice for how to get on with love after being dumped from such a long relationship? Lots of love, the sad anteater. Yo, the sad anteater. Let me clear the first thing up.

And I say this wholeheartedly. The most fucking despicable advice that fucking infuriates me is that to get over someone you've got to get under someone because all you're doing then is spreading around the heartache and you're you're essentially you're not going to get over anything by doing that and what you're doing is then you're pushing your sadness and your whatever you're going through onto someone else by having a one-night stand potentially getting their hopes up that there might be something else or you're just using someone else to try and make yourself feel better which is for me a pretty low thing so push that it's actually disgusting yeah it's i hate it i've got a friend who's going through

saying at the moment people keep saying that an amount of times i've told people to shut up and for instance i think it you know it's it's awful advice and i respect you at 22 to be solid enough in your own conviction that you know that's not right um look you know i think you'll probably be getting told you have plenty more plenty more efficiency, dah, dah, dah, dah. The truth of it all is I think time is ever such a great healer. I think it really is. I think, you know, this person sounds pretty amazing and they sound like, you know, you've just come to the end of the journey that you had together.

And I think, you know, having that, you know, I all through my life up to, you know, being with Catherine, I'd constantly, you know, split up with someone and, you know, you'd be dumped most of the time because I'd be in a situation like you because you'd be friend zoned or whatever. And you'd have this glimmer of hope that in a Dawson Creek kind of way that things would sort of turn around and they'd realise that they'd made a massive mistake and, you know, you get back together.

But invariably that never happened. I think, and this is sort of advice that I think is pretty good, but I think you've just got to use this to make the most solid relationship you can with yourself. I think it's using i didn't find out really how like i was i think 29 30 when i first got out of the relationship that i hadn't bounced from relationship to relationship or like just covered up uh feelings of heartbreak or inadequacy with alcohol or just pretending everything was fine actually

using you know yourself and just going, right, you know what, I want to learn to love myself a little bit and just solidifying that relationship with you and making sure that you enjoy your own company at times. When I say so, I mean you never get in a relationship again, but you feel that you don't need someone else to around you to make you feel good about yourself or to make you feel happy you can do those you get the materials and the the sort of infrastructure within yourself to do to

do that on your own and then you'll become a better partner for someone when they need someone to lean on or someone, you know, that can be there for them. So I'd say take this time. Like I say that when I look back, every time I got dumped and every time I got told that, you know, I see you more as a friend at the time, it is an absolute killer. But everyone who ever said that was right. And, you know, from now, you know, for most of those people, they still are friends and they're still people and um you know from now yeah for most of those people they still are friends and they're still people that you know it was just not my journey and it was not our journey so

chin up mate and uh keep doing you you're a sweet sweet soul you're a young man with um uh you seem like you've got a good grasp on the world so i wish you well bro um sad and eater uh we're in a difficult position where uh we're going to give you advice and none of that advice is going to immediately make you feel any better is the honest truth of it because you're suffering with heartbreak um so i'm going to tell you these things you're going to be annoyed about them probably and then hopefully in time they'll be of some sort of help i would say but first thing i'd say to you is you're 22 years old that means you got into this relationship at what 16 so you're just not you know it's a very young situation to be in a relationship you're going to be in for the rest of your life um i'd also say to you i totally agree with tom

that if a relationship ends it was supposed to end and and that's really difficult but if a relationship ends that is the right path it's not supposed to work do you know what I mean and you might end up getting back together in the future I'm not saying that you won't you won't but if you don't that was the right thing to happen it's never it just won't work. You know, you want to be with somebody that's totally in love with you and if they're not, or if they want to see you as a friend, that is it. It's difficult to accept, but that is just how it is. So, um, I'm really sorry that you're going through what you're going through, but the, the, the, the, what Tom's,

I mean, I basically, I'm finding myself in the position of reiterating tom's brilliant advice which is give yourself some time to find yourself because what a lot of people do is think that a relationship is validation and it just isn't and sometimes you just need to have time to just live your life and be yourself and i know it sounds wanky but discover who you are a little bit and what you're about and you know then you go into a relationship as a bit more of a fully fledged kind of rounded package do you mean rather than somebody who's looking to get into a relationship so that would be my advice to you you're super young things i promise will start to feel easier they will start to feel easier they won't initially and i don't know how long it will take but they absolutely will start to feel easier um but for now you I don't know how long it will take, but they absolutely will start to feel easier.

But for now, you know, don't disengage from it, you know, wallowing it. You know, watch films, listen to sad songs, do whatever you've got to do to help you through this stage. But just know it will get better. It absolutely will get better. And the relationship ended for a reason. And you are going to get into something that's much better than that, whether that's a version of this relationship that's better or whether it's a completely different relationship,

either way, this is for the best. So try and hold on to that if you can. And good luck. Thank you for getting in touch. Two freshly cracked eggs any way you like them. Three strips of naturally smoked bacon and a side of toast. Only $6 at A&W's in Ontario. Experience A&W's classic breakfast on now.

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Echo thanks its presenting partners Sun Life and its official partners Air Canada and Mastercard. Okay. Another email. Oh, hold on. I might need to get my phone for this. So somebody's done us a jingle.

Oh, wow. So, you know, you know, um, that we, um, said that we might need structure by the way, off the back of that, we've had loads of emails from people saying, you don't need structure, please don't do it. So I'm just going to play this into the mic for you now. Hopefully you can hear it. And then we'll get JT to drop it and I'll send it to him. But so this is the email. Here's a quick jingle. I'm listening to your podcast.

I noticed on the last episode, you mentioned how parenting, how I have proper jingles. I would love to offer my services and even to do some for free for starters. This is from radiojingles24.com. herenting how I have proper jingles and would love to offer my services and even to do some for free for starters. Oh, wow. This is from RadioJingles24.com. I run a small audio production company which provides jingles primarily for radio stations worldwide, but we also do podcast

stuff and I've done bits of work for Global Radio and the BBC amongst others. Happy to provide something for free for you to use. If you like what we do, maybe we could do some more for you. So, you ready to hear this? Yeah. Tom Davis. Romesh Ranganathan. Wolf and Owl.

Oh, wow. So there you go. Thank you. That's amazing. Thank you so much for the jingle. We very much appreciate it. RadioJingles24.com. Yeah.

Are we going to do jingles, Tom? Yeah, I mean, we could try them. I think we need some sort of like, it has to segue into an item, right? Yes. So it had to be like Tom Davis, rubbish-ranging Nathan, the Wath and Al. This is Would You Rather.

Yeah, there you go. Unfortunately, it requires a podcast that has format points that people stick with. Otherwise, you know, there's no point doing a jingle for one week. Tom Davis, Robert Schrengen, Ethan, The Wharf and Al. Another dwindling story that's a complete digression from this point one of them was trying to make. Time for another format point that won't be run again. On The Wolf and Owl. Tom Davis, Ramish Ranganathan, The Wolf and Owl.

This is just drivel. Okay, this is from Anonymous. Okay, this is from Anonymous. Dear Wolf, Al, George, Ringo, JT, and the various loved ones who provided ministry support for the podcast. I'm 25 years old. I'm in the first serious and proper adult relationship of my life. In many ways, my partner and I were each other's first loves dating back to almost a decade ago.

And after many years and many missteps on both of our parts, we have at last made a good run of things. The past two and a half years have been by far and away the happiest of my life. I have a much better handle on my various mental health problems. And for the first time ever, I'm wishing for more hours in the day instead of fewer. God, this is beautiful. My partner in the life that we've started together has played a massive part in those improvements. We rent a little flat together and are both close with each other's families and friends.

However, she went away recently, leaving to my own devices for the week. Although beforehand I was actually kind of dreading her leaving, I soon found I was having a really good time without her. There were no crazy periods or unfaithfulness or anything stupid like that. Instead, I was simply surprised at how much I was enjoying my own company, my own space. I expected to feel lonely. And in truth, I just found it liberating when she came home.

I could tell that she had missed me a lot more than i'd missed her although we soon settled back into a happy rhythm i can't stop worrying about why i felt like i did while she was away what's going on is this normal any help and insight from your own experiences and combined age-old wisdom oh my god combined age-old wisdom uh would be greatly appreciated tommy d yeah anonymous um i think it's quite normal to feel like that i think it's me and katherine have been talking a lot about this actually having that time for yourself doing things for yourself rather than uh always i think you feel compelled sometimes especially when you're working as hard as we work wrong and as hard as both our wives work i think you feel like compelled to always we need to do this together this together i think it's really important to

get timing where as a couple you're doing things i think it's important as a family to do things but i do think one of the most important things is to have that time for yourself where you can you know have that bit of self-identity for a bit of time where you can actually just as silly as it sounds and sort of casting back to uh another email is just having a little bit of yeah just trying to reinforce who you are i think and i think we can it's really easy to fall into a place in your life where whether that's friends family your wife whatever everyone becomes a bit of a crutch for you to sort of like lean on and you actually ever sort of do that work on you you know on you and just do something like sit and

watch a film that you want to watch on your own or you know just just get that bit tight i think if i'm honest with you it's the thing that I'm really trying to push Catherine to do more. Like, have that time where she can just... Because I think, as a mum, it's the hardest thing of all. I think, you know, doing what we do for a job, you do get a little bit of time, as silly as it sounds, on stage or between gigs. But I think it's all-en being a mum and like it's something

that i you don't know it's more and more and it's like now trying to say to katherine what you need some you time so that's just going to the gym of a weekend morning or weekday morning and then you know having a little bit of a chill reading your book having breakfast on your own or or doing things for you it's a really really important so i wouldn't feel too bad about that i think the reason that you she may have missed you more is because she's been away from the house like she's been away from your flat so she's been in a whole different environment where you have been you've had the sort of um reinforcement of being still in your own surroundings so there's not been enough but i would guarantee if you'd gone away and come back,

you'd have missed her more because you're not sleeping in your bed. You're not making food in your house. So she's not just missed you. She's missed this sort of probably the assurance of being in her own surroundings. So I wouldn't feel too bad. I think if you settle back into a place that you're happy, don't question it, my G. Your life sounds pretty amazing man you think you feel like sound like you've got things worked out worse than you can do is pick

holes in perfection keep on doing you keep on smiling at you um this uh is an interesting one um first of all what i would say is is that um there's two things that you do that are completely normal in human behavior and the first one is is to be excited by changing circumstances and like i your other half went away and you enjoyed being on your own because you haven't had that for a while and that is totally normal it's like completely normal like i i love lisa and i love the kids but if i have a day on my own i love it i mean it's like it's great i mean you sort of go and do whatever the hell you want to do you sort of wallow or whatever i mean i'm just completely lazy so i do fuck all or whatever i just dick around deed trying to learn how to mix or whatever

whatever you know whatever you just do those things i mean it doesn't mean that I don't want to be around Lisa and the kids. It just means that it's a different thing and you kind of do different stuff. And I think for you, that felt like a novelty. And so it was slightly tricky. You know, you sort of like, I'm really enjoying this. If that's the case. I mean, if it's the case that you're not, it sounds like you're entirely happy in your relationship. So I think that's probably what the case is. The other thing that's completely

human nature is to feel guilty about that afterwards is to like, because there's something about the human psyche that just tries to look for the misery in a situation. So rather than you go in, Oh, I had a nice week. I actually enjoyed my own company for a week, but it's really nice to have my other half back. You went, Oh my God, there's a problem with this relationship because i enjoyed being on my own oh maybe i shouldn't be in this relationship oh god what am i gonna that is so i mean it's such a normal human reaction because we're constantly looking to prod and poke at our happiness it's almost like you're just seeking like guilt and misery it's just like it happens to me all the time do you know what i mean you don't need to man it's totally cool and as tom said the reason you know what I mean? You don't need to, man. It's totally cool. And as Tom said, the reason, you know,

I don't know the circumstance that your other half went away, but it might have been a tough time and she might have been thinking, I can't wait to get home. Whereas you were home. Do you know what I mean? The other thing I would say is, you've been in a relationship for how long have you been? What did you say here?

Two and a half years or something? Yeah, two and a half years. I've been in my relationship for for 14 years and um i have now lisa and i've now reached the stage probably more easily for me than her where you can have time like that when everybody's around you know i mean like sometimes yeah yesterday i had sort of a bit of a veg day because i'd had a big night out or whatever um and lisa was well lisa will argue that she never has that but um but you know you just get to a point where you find happy medium if lisa's away or if i'm away lisa loves it if i'm away she meet her first comment is that the house is so much easier to

look after and to keep tidy when i'm not there because i'm just like a fucking whirlwind that comes through but it doesn't mean that she doesn't want me to come back i don't think not initially anyway um so yeah i would it's totally normal to feel like that the thing that you said tom that really hit home for me is my my work scratches that itch of being out and about and i get to be like just romesh when i'm out and about do you mean whereas like lisa doesn't have that built into her day because she doesn't work outside of like looking after the kids and well, I'll give you the can often me. So I do think it's important to have that time. And I think that actually probably one

of the secrets to a good relationship is to, is to build in a system where both people are getting that. I mean, because when one person isn't getting that, that's when frustrations arise and that's when people start to feel trapped well that's when people start to feel like is this what life is now and all that kind of thing i mean so i would say look you've discovered that being on your own is not that bad probably not the case for her either so you know you don't necessarily have to start taking action on that now but it's probably something you're gonna look to in the future to keep things fresh and nice and feel like you're all scratching the various itches when i say scratching the itches i don't mean someone else but you know like you know the various issues that you might have so

good luck with that don't feel guilty it's all good it is all good baby uh okay should we do one more let's do one more my g oh let's do two more because we've got more? Let's do one more, my G. Let's do two more, because we've got some... Oh, I'm actually going to finish on quite a heavy one, actually, if that's okay. Okay, okay. But this one's a nickname one. Okay. Please find below as requested.

This is from The Salmon of Knowledge. Please find below as requested a list of Irish nicknames and origins for enjoyment. I cannot take credit for these. I'm merely the vessel carrying these across the Irish sea. Lads used to play football with a guy called Ender May. Everyone called

him June. No other fellow has one hand bigger than the other and they call him the clock. That can't be real. Fuck it. That's genius if it is. Fellow was called Spider because he went shopping one day and bought four pairs of jeans. I also knew a fellow in Tipperary who got the name Westlife

after he wore a polo neck on a night out in the noughties. My dad had a mate called the Bishop because he used to walk at a sideways angle. Wow, that's great. I know a guy called Boomerang because he tried to move to australia and he came back two months later my brother used to get his dole on a monday and one

of his mates were only called to the house on dole day so my nana started calling him monday he's 40 now that's what his kids call him jesus i love that family down the road have been known as the yanks for nearly 40 years because they went to Florida for a week in the 80s. There was a fellow I knew with a stutter. He was called Remix. One of the lads called Eric had a third nipple and the boys called him Triples. One of my missus friends used to go out with a lad who looked like Milhouse and worked in Carphone Warehouse. So I named him Carphone Milhouse. I'd also love to get your thoughts on the popularity of podcasts in general

when it comes to mental health and its benefits. I have my own theory. Found solace in digital conversations way before podcasts took off. Ricky, Carl and Steve on XFM or Russell Brand and Matt Morgan on BBC Radio, for example. What do you guys get from podcasts and what benefits do your listeners say you provide? All the love, the salmon of knowledge. Thank you very much, salmon of knowledge.

You've asked the wrong people what we think the benefits of the podcasts are. Because we don't think they're any. I think, yeah, I vary up my listening. I like a good educational one. I like something where you can listen. I love conspiracy theory ones.

If I'm on the road doing stand-up, I tend to not listen to comedy ones because I think it can sort of like get inside your head a little bit and you sort of, it's better to, I prefer just listening to something that's completely out of that world. Whereas if I'm writing scripts and at the moment we're writing a drama and it's there

so then i try to sort of some of the stuff's a bit sort of heavy so then i try to just yeah so i like to vary up there's no i think that's the joy of podcasting i think there's so many good podcasts out there that um you know scritch scratch scratch scratch scratch loads of different hitches so shout out to everyone who makes a podcast yeah i think the podcast is a bit of a cheat code really because i don't because obviously with our podcast which probably requires exerts the least effort of any podcast on the interweb um i think you sort of get away with the fact that people are checking in with you every week so it's like you get to know people. So, you know, I would describe our con content as subpar.

Uh, but you know, for the most part, we've managed to keep up regularly. So it's just nice checking. I totally agree with you by the way on, I used to listen to stand up on my way to gigs and then I couldn't do the gig without sounding like the standup. I just listened to. Yeah. So I've had to stop doing that as like a thing as a rule i cannot listen to stand up on the way to even though i love watching stand up i list it all the time i have to like have some distance between me watching it and me actually going and i find as well if you listen to it after and you've had a bit of a ropey gig you just feel like oh god it's so awful just understand i'm going oh that's how

somebody that can do it does it yes it's like but literally just like having a kick about the garden and watching like again harlan smashing a hat trick you're like yeah right yeah that's yeah i struggled to do that against a bunch of 12 year olds in the fucking park yeah not a place like 12 years apart much but you have done and it's gone well absolutely fucking taught them a lesson

or two didn't you so yeah I do love podcasts actually I listen to Bill Burr's podcast quite a lot

I started to listen to a couple of history podcasts as well just because like I don't know I'm so shit with history

yeah so it just depends on my mood really there's a few mental health ones i listen to there's a really good one actually that i listen to oh god it's like a closed oh i'll tell you what what's really sorry i'm jumping all over the place here this is caffeine talking um the john

ronson one about the porn industry is really that's amazing that's incredible and then the other one is oh god what is what is it? Sweet Bobby. Oh man, yeah, yeah. Have you listened to the Sweet Bobby podcast? That is, it's just like eight episodes or something like that. You told me about this years, ages ago. Yeah, yeah, it's really good. Incredible. It's really good.

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, we do love podcasts. Okay, Tom. Yeah. I think we should, I don't think we should finish with the heavy one. No, I think let's use the heavy one another time. That's a nice way of ending. Yeah.

Talking about really good podcasts after we've just dribbled this out. Yeah, after we've done a bonus episode that's played so fast and loose with the word bonus, I can't even believe it. Hope you've enjoyed it. We'll try and do another one next week. Probably won't, as is the way with this podcast.

Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll run a one of us actually jt could do it we'll run the thing is it worth us doing a bonus episode on a on our orphan out instagram vote for it if you say you like this bonus absolute crap fest then we will continue to try and do bonuses if you're not into it you think it's an absolute waste of your time and ours we'll stop and also we agree yeah um okay cool thank you guys boom we'll see you next week take care of yourselves and each other love you love love love if you have a problem opinion feedback or anything at all,

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