Wolf and Owl - S2 Ep 61: Family Holidays & Root Canals

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

We’re talking… curtain calamities, two wrong hotels, holiday swimming challenges and a near death experience, Lionesses pride, an FPL ‘Sexy Ballers’ update, root canal after-care, talking too loudly in public, troubling TikTok videos and responding to trolls. Plus, some new TV chat and an email question about a very problematic boss. For questions or comments please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com/ A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, I've had quite a lot of drama in the set up for this. I'm on holiday at the moment, as you know. Yeah, it looks beautiful where you are. It is really nice. The curtains behind me, so basically the light was coming in through the window and i was basically a silhouette yeah so i went to pull the curtains and all of those little things have come off the rail you know the shit the little yeah so that's the um so that's today that's today that's today out done i'm gonna be doing you're in a high-end villa you'll be able to get like a man around to

do that no someone's to come around and do that for you like i can't what what can i say i couldn't work the curtains properly so can you come well hold up you know what curtains are pricks in 2023 because they've got different ropes and different setting are they electric ones by the way i don't know that's what i'm saying to you i've not i i don't think those curtains are made to be i think they're decorative. You know what? Curtains is one thing that didn't need evolving. Mate, on this window, mate, there's three fucking sets of curtains on the one window.

And I've pulled the wrong one of the three. I heard this sound like jewellery falling to the floor. I look, there's hooks, there's little eyes, there's everything everywhere. Very stressful. i've never been to any hotel or any sort of stayed anywhere and then when someone's got to come up and show you the lighting system and the fucking curtains my whole head is like you know what it's it's literally i'll pull the curtains and there's a light switch if i'm having to do 40 minutes of

a course of 40 minutes to know how to switch number one i haven't got that capacity to pay attention so by the time i go to bed and i'm sort of in a place of like i can relax and sleep my anxiety is through the roof because i'm having to pull plugs out i just think people sort of say oh you're privileged or whatever they don't know what it's like to find the lighting set up in a luxury hotel they've got no fucking idea these people it's tough that's why there's three curtains here i didn't know which one to pull shut so like the pool wasn't showing like a holiday inmate premiering when i'm touring that's that's my vibe yeah i know why you do that to keep the overheads down on the tour don't pretend that you've got a taste for it well i'll tell you who's got a taste for it is your brother and grats they've got a taste for it i'm going to keep those two fucking absolutely they've got all

these sort of expectations of staying in luxury places i heard dinesh is uh demanding a luxury hotel for the crawley day he lives this is if he listens to the podcast and you can tell him his accommodation is basically great grace's playroom there's a sofa there he can stay there after gigs i want to go back back to peter k i had had an amazing thing with Gratz where he's going to be a bit annoyed for me saying this, but I'll tell the story. So Gratz is, sorry, we should give some context. I know we talked about it before, but Gratz is tour manager extraordinaire. He's tour managing for Tom and for myself.

Thankfully our tours don't coincide. And for the Wolf and Owl. And for the Wolf and Owl. So thankfully our tours don't coincide, both for Gratz and for the punter. I mean... Yes. Oh, by the way, Tom, I've not told you this. Lisa and I's next date night after the holiday

is the Reading date of Tom Davis's tour. Oh, my God. What are you, the Friday or the Saturday night? Saturday, we're coming. We're having dinner beforehand, and then we're coming across to see you. We're very excited. Saturday's going to be popping. We're driving to Reading. Oh,, and then we're coming across to see you. We're very excited. Saturday's going to be popping.

We're driving to Radio as well. Oh, my God. I can't wait to see Stan. I like Stan's videos. Very good, right? Really good. Really good. Stan is incredible.

He's completely changed my whole relationship with exercise and food. Yes, okay. Well, so Gratz and I were doing a tour doing a tour show up north or something i can't remember exactly where it was and it was like super late and the hotel was like in between you know like if you've got two dates that are quite far apart they book a hotel kind of in between yeah so you're going to get half the drive out the way or whatever my god i can't believe i'm going to this level of detail but anyway so we finished the show like i came off stage about 10 10 30 something like that jumped in a car get to the hotel about midnight knackered

right get into the hotel gratz is like so lovely right so he wants to take care of like getting you checked in so he goes can we get yeah can we get mr ranganathan checked in as soon as possible they go we've got no booking and he goes i'm sorry what and he goes they've got no we've got no booking for you and gretz goes well this has been arranged well in advance um can you double check and they double check and they've got no booking for any of you and then gretz goes okay well look we'll sort this out in the morning what rooms have you got and they go we've got no rooms we're fully booked we've got a wedding this weekend oh all right so gretz goes well i've got to say this is a disgrace i've got a comedian here who's on tour and he all he wants to do is get his head down and you haven't got the book in and they go have you got any confirmation because oh you're damn right i've got confirmation the book and gets his phone out we're at the wrong hotel oh wow jeez poor grats wow that's that's that's that's a ricker do you know what's so bad about it is like that is a man

who was he's not doing it because he's annoyed he's doing it because he's desperate to look after me right because he's a heart of gold so he's thinking i'm getting angry on romesh's behalf because i know they could literally they could they could send me to a room that's on fire and i'm not going to complain right because that's how pathetic I am so Graz is like stepping in for me he really got I mean he really

went front footed to be fair in his defence the hotels had similar names I would say that I do want to clarify that but

I had that remember when we did your favourite show you know Judge Romesh when we did that they said they were going to stick me in like this really nice hotel your favourite show, you're the, you know, Judge Romesh. Yes. They said they were going to stick me in like this really nice hotel. And they,

so me and Catherine got the, and I was like, me and Catherine were very, in the infancy of our relationship. So I was like, oh, let's go to this, it's going to be really nice.

You know, they put me up in a nice hotel. We turn up at a hotel, literally five minutes around the corner with almost identical name. We turn up at a hotel literally five minutes around the corner with almost identical name. We turn up, and this place was the opposite. It was so shit and rickety and falling apart, right? They couldn't believe that we turned up for four nights

while we filmed Judge Romesh. So they gave us a room. We go into the room. It was literally, so we hadn't been together long. We walked into this little, like, sort of, it was just like this almost, like a tiny cabin. It looked quite nice from the outside. We walk in.

I said, well, this is all right. This is quite nice. And I sat on a chair, and the chair collapsed under me, completely broke, right? Then I'm rolling on the floor like a tortoise. And Catherine sort of stared at me. How aroused was Catherine at this point, just out of ten? Well, she sort of laughed and sort of went out.

She said, are you okay? And she was giggling to herself for quite a while um and you know like the paint all the paintings on the wall look like someone's kid had done them um and sort of put them in a frame uh so then i called the production i was like this i'm sorry like this hotel i'm not sure if this is the right hotel we found like a bug in the bed and stuff and they said no that's not the hotel you're supposed to be at this is the hotel so how the fuck did you get into this hotel if you didn't have a book in there i think they were just so shocked that someone had turned up for a room yeah maybe that's how that's that's how they're running do you know i mean just yeah people turn up to the wrong hotel and go yeah we'll get your reservation come on in yeah yeah of course what you're going to stay here yeah fine it was almost like a yeah like a hidden

camera show everything was going wrong. The bathroom, I couldn't even fit in the bathroom. I mean, I was a lot bigger then. I was, you know, probably four stone bigger than I am now. I've got a little bugbear. I've had a bugbear recently. I've been doing some deep dives on TikTok while I've been on holiday. I thought you were about to say you've been doing deep dives

when you're on holiday, like going scuba diving. Oh, by the way holiday i thought you were about to say you've been doing deep dives when you're on holiday like going scuba diving oh by the way the jellyfish out there were you what jellyfish mate be careful europe's been besieged by these fucking fried egg jellyfish i've not seen any jellyfish what i will tell you is i had a traumatic in the sea well i've got a story about this it's not a great story but it's a story so as an episode nearly 300 great great stories listen i'm absolutely fucking i think i've gone through the bottom of the barrel my head's poking out the bottom of it the other side now like little john from robin hood the cartoon you're just wearing a barrel yeah just like eating eating a dinner just going i wonder if there's anything interesting about this

pasta that i can talk about for five minutes go on anyway so as you know regular listeners to the wolf and i will know that i'm the weakest swimmer in the ranginathan family if you're a long-term listener you know that i challenged the family to a swim-a-thon in we were in portugal i think maybe it was last year or the year before and i i lost even to our then seven-year-old son charlie anyway he's nine now he's nine now yeah so uh so i think you remember then i talked about improving my swimming well anyway this story will confirm that that hasn't happened so we we i've got to take action on this tom right because i actually think this is a problem all right so what happened was just by where we're staying like we're right by the beach pretty much on the beach right

and so the first day or second day whatever lisa and the older two boys they swam out to a boy there's like a boy like a fair way out right yeah and um so they just decided are we gonna have a sea swim and we're gonna just, just as a little thing, little marker, we're going to swim out there and come back, right? And the water's pretty shallow

as you go out, so it's pretty, it's pretty low risk. Do you know what I mean? So they go out there and swim out there and then come back and then the boys

are all full of the stories of it. Oh, you should, dad, you should come out and do this with us. You come out

and do this with us, right? Obviously, I'm hiding my slight anxiety about this thinking, okay, it feels like a bit of a long swim, but yeah, I'll give it a go and alex by the way he's 11 12 now managed it no problem at

all but it's not even a story for him right so the next day they go we're going to go on the sea swim do you want to come with us right i go out tom i'm not even at the boy yet right lisa and lisa and alex theodine come with us lisa and alex are pretty much at the boy i'm not even at the boy yet right lisa and lisa and alex theodine come with us lisa and alex are pretty much at the boy i'm nowhere near charlie doing it this time charlie's like with theo like back on shore like that on shore i know you're talking about his life channels yeah so we we like um i basically start to panic right because the water's too deep right and i become too exhausted my swimming is so inefficient i become both too exhausted to swim forwards and too exhausted to continue staying afloat right so i start freaking out a little bit right i think i've

got to make it to the boy this is like humiliating i make it to the boy and I look back and I honestly I felt like it was the channel between me and the beach right it's like insane we start going back right they're breaststroking right I can't do breaststroke turns out you know you're supposed to make a pudding bowl with your arms or whatever I don't know what the fuck breaststroke is the easiest stroke well not for me it isn't Tom thank you so much for absolutely no no no no this is a credit to you so what are you doing front crawl i was doing front crawl yeah and then i was doing this credit to you mate if you swam that mountain front crawl tom tom no no no no this is bigging you up this genuinely is if you've swung the same as someone's breaststroke is a steady pace it's like a walk front crawl is a sprint tom so if you're front crawling there that that's fucking good for you, man. I did front crawl for about three, four meters, right?

Then I started to panic, okay? I stopped. They carried on swimming because none of their energy levels had been expanded at all by this trip. And I actually started to have what I would describe as a near-death experience. I actually started to believe that I was going to drown then, yeah? And I'd been, by the way, I'd been moaning,

bitching moaning the whole way along. You won't be surprised to hear about how difficult this was right and they lisa and alex this is how bad it is they thought i was joking right because there's no way that this can be exhausting to me right so they think i'm joking you're in a for your fit now right you've got a good level of it's not i don't listen swimming is obviously about fitness partially but it's also about how good you are at the actual stroke yeah yeah did you do swimming lessons as a kid yeah i did mate i had like the swimming chunks with the three my mum stitched the badges on the front and everything do you know what i mean i was a proud swimmer as a child but i've just not done it and i've completely lost it and so i start going thinking i'm gonna drown right i'm gonna drown lisa thinks i'm pissing

about because she can't believe it and she goes you're having fun rom and i start getting angry with her because i'm thinking this is that these are the last words i'm going to hear before i die right she like her laughing and joking with alex about how pathetic this is i then the only stroke i could do to get me back to shore was backstroke right so you're basically sort of like being dragged in by the current like an old lonely bit of beach wood. I backstroke. Backstroke, by the way, with the waves. Yeah, I couldn't stay afloat, mate. So hold on, feet to shore or head

to shore? Head to shore. Oh my God. Tom, if you do feet to shore, you move further away from the shore. You know how backstroke works, right? I do know how backstroke works, but if you go backstroke with the waves, sure you get loads of seawater in your mouth yes that's what i did i nearly died tom that's what i'm saying to you i nearly died the other day you're like probably i'd say my most intelligent friend i'd say that right that's a damning indictment of your selection of friends

yeah and i'm sure that none of them would disagree with either. The thought that you thought, the backstroke. Tom, it was the only stroke I could manage, mate. Like, I was done. What about doggy paddle? My shoulders were burning. Doggy paddle was not making any progress. I tried to. You think I went to backstroke before I went to doggy paddle?

Hold up, hold up. This is genuinely like. Tom, I started doing doggy paddle. I was doing doggy paddle for a full two minutes. I looked, the boy was getting closer to me. So, hold on. Yeah. But listen.

I was doggy paddling backwards. Are we talking full backstroke? Are we talking arms and legs or just legs? Arms and legs. I was using every limb available to me. I would have used my dick as a rudder if I could have done. I was trying everything I could. It was horrifying. What was the mood on the beach watching you come in? would use my dick as a rudder if i could have done i was trying everything i could it was it was

what was the mood on on the beach watching you come in well i think lisa and alex arrived at the beach probably 20 minutes half an hour before i did i sort of dry and sort of sound themselves yeah they'd gone in for a second dip while i was making my way back i i came back to short they had no appreciation for what i'd been through so like you know when like you've like lost it but nobody else sort of appreciates that they just sort of think no you can't be serious it was it was horrendous it's horrendous absolutely horrendous if it makes you feel any better um years ago uh you know the actress love morgana robinson yes i do very talented before before we did the uh morgana show we went we did the Morgana show, we went away. We were writing that show, so we went away.

And few of us went, and we had this holiday in Spain. She's like an Olympic swimmer, Morgana. She's insanely good. Morgana's an incredible swimmer. But we're basically, me and her went to the beach this one day, and she gets chatted to these spanish lads who are sort of similar age to us sort of you know but real sort of all you know jocks cool spanish guys sort of almost hippie-ish just you know so they're like hey do you want to come and uh you know we are

going to go cliff jumping um tomb stomping and i'm like oh cool sort of thing and morgues is like oh my god that sounds so brilliant yes i'm really for that. Were you panicking a little bit at this stage? Because that would have made the shit go wrong. Mate, my arse is going. Yeah, 100%. But also, alongside being friends and co-stars, some of my relationship with Morgana was almost like a bodyguard at times. I felt like I was sort of like, you know.

So we basically got to this massive cliff, right? And I can see what these Spanish guys are doing. They're sort of like, you know, they're fucking big dick in it they're sort of like you know and i'm like this is quite a big fall isn't it and the walk there was about half an hour 40 minutes so to walk back would yeah or it's that they're like it's a 10 minute swim right so they basically are sort of joking um they sort of all three of these guys jump in. This mess. You remember the one that you did on Liga de Rome?

Yeah, horrible. The one that Freddie did at the end. The one that Freddie did at the end. It's like that. I've never done this. The one where they told me that my technique was so bad it wasn't safe for me to continue, that one. Yeah.

Because I'd suffered a spinal injury, yeah. Yeah. But you had some people telling you how to do it. These Spanish lads all jump in. And more guys said, what are you going to do? I said, well, I'm not walking fucking 40 minutes back. And she's like, well, are you going to jump? Do you want to jump and see how it is?

And I thought, well, I'll try. By the way, your reward for risking your life and jumping in is a 10-minute fucking swim as well, by the way. Yeah. Well, this is the worst of it. So in the end, I think, I look down, I sort of survey it and think, all I've got to do is jump as far away from the fucking cliff as I possibly can.

The best case scenario for me, I think, if I was at the top there, I think if I hit the rocks, I'll die instantly and this is over. And I haven't got to swim or walk. I throw myself in. It was quite exhilarating, quite enjoyed that.

And then Morgana jumped in. And then Morgana, it's very similar to your situation morgana and these three spanish lads will start swimming around the cliff back to the beach and in what the guy describes the 10 minute swim was a 10 minute swim for them for me i'm not joking it was 40 minutes right and at time morgana at one point they all got to the beach and then they're having rose and i could could see them laughing on the beach. And she swam back out to see if I was okay.

And then Morgana was like, oh, you're okay. You're all right. Do you need a hand? I was like, I'm not going to let you save me and swim me back to shore in front of these guys. And then she's like, oh God, I really like that. The taller one, he's really lovely. I was like, this isn't the time to discuss. I've generally got just enough energy to try and get...

Anyway, and then one of the other Spanish lads flew. We did fly because he was very quick. Swam back. And he then essentially dragged me back to shore. And you know, like Baywatch. And I could hear him sort of... I could feel, actually, him laughing with the other lads. But I was so tired by this

point you must have been able to hear it because your face was nuzzled in his neck i imagine as he pulled you back there was no one does his check chest and i could hear him laughing and i could sort of as i got to shore and they're all like someone brought me a glass of beer and i sort of stood there just thinking i as soon as i can my whole body felt like it was absolutely falling apart. So I have all the sympathy in the world for you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was bad. What's better than getting a small premium roast coffee and your favourite McMuffin?

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I can't believe we haven't said this yet. Congratulations to the Lionesses for a valiant World Cup campaign. Incredible. I know that we were texting each other during the final. Do you know one of my best moments of being a dad so far? I got Grace a little lioness kit and sitting with her watching it. Do you know what I've got to say? Very much like when they won the Euro,

it really is like almost more than the men's game. I was sitting there with my mum, my dad, my sister, her two kids, my wife and my brother and we're all just like I don't know it felt more family or entire it felt really really nice I mean Grace couldn't give a shit what was going on she quite liked the lioness kit but yeah she sort of quite a lot of time was trying to change the channel onto bluey um which sort of everyone was uh it was amazing effort amazing kind of sort of the creepiness

of the kiss at the end I don't know if you've read much about that I've read a lot about it she sort of

initially said she didn't like it and then I think the Spanish FA must have had a word of it because she's since

sort of made a follow up statement saying that basically at the end of it the head of the Spanish what was his position the head of the spanish fa is he or i don't know what i think so yeah yeah he's really all the spanish players uh uh coming up and he gives one of them an absolute kiss on the like a passion not a passionate i'm gonna make it out

like he didn't use tongues or anything but like he grabbed her head gave her a big kiss on the lips and then kind of sent her on her way um and then she said i didn't like that and so there was like a live stream straight after and she said i did not like that and then later on she sort of issued a statement going it was just in the moment and it was fine and whatever and we've got a good relationship etc etc i mean it's bad it looked bad to me I just don't I just think don't do it if you saw Kate Middleton do that to Jack Grealish

if we won the men's world cup final it would be creepy wouldn't it yeah it would be I mean that's a weird it's very niche

the way you said that but what I did enjoy my boys again this is a problem this is some of one of the things I've got a problem now

with football with my sons is it happened again last night we went to this bar Again, this is a problem. One of the things that I've got a problem now with football, with my sons, is it happened again last night. We went to this bar to watch Palace Arsenal, which was a frustrating... We got the result, but it was a frustrating game. Not for me. My fantasy league team, absolutely buzzing with Odegaard. I've got to shout out Odegaard.

Really, I was worried about my team, and he's pulled me in. I'm in deep shit i'm currently uh just so you know update sexy ball has got more points to my team this week um but we have i've had quite a few people reaching out we need to start putting our teams and where we are in the league there's a lot of people and people are joining all the time to this league right so we need to sort of i am not i'm not ready to share that information yet i would say you know what i don't want to give you a kick in here i think the

big inch and even for me the big interest has actually been in how the sexy ball is doing that's like the litmus test yeah of well what i can say is uh i have current this week because all all of the ranganathans are in the world finale league and what i can tell you is is that i'm currently this week too i scored the lowest points out of the entire family so uh i'm getting an absolute high d and in fact theo our eldest absolutely smashing it i think he might be i think he's like a hundredth in the league or something like that

in the Wolfenau League and he said is this what you're going to talk about in the podcast how you're getting absolutely smashed by your son he's really flexing on me at dinner

I actually said to him I'm going to withdraw are we allowed to withdraw people from the league I can withdraw as a minister but I'm not going to do that no I'm not going to do that

that's far too I've got to say when I I'm so intrigued by sexy ballers. I was watching a lot of the games this week, players doing well, and I was like, is Matoma in Lisa's team? I think Matoma is in. Wow.

A stupid man is in. A stupid man is in. Wow. That's a... Well, I can tell you, Lisa likes what she likes, okay? You know what I'll say about Lisa and her taste in men is it's very eclectic. Yeah, it has to be eclectic when the face of your husband in itself is eclectic. I was going to say, if Nobby Solano was still playing, then...

He'd be the guy. So, anyway, I was was gonna say just very quickly um when um when we went so we went to watch this game so i asked somebody where they show the game anyway and they said this is like pancake place that they're showing the game so we went there an hour early because we wanted to get prime seats right so we ordered some ordered some lunch for the boys sat down got ready to watch the game what loads of people did because it's quite there's quite a lot of posh people around here right and what they do is like it was amazing to watch they were turning up a minute before the game and then demanding a table with a good view right which is insane to me right it was meant yeah just people coming in and going well i want to be

able to have lunch in a nice spot but also be able to see the screens please like saying it like that to staff right one family came in like half an hour before the game didn't want to hang around so they said can we can you get us a table if i give you my phone number can you get us a table nearby she goes i'll do my best and blah blah anyway they turn up like two minutes before the game another family have arrived since then and sat down at this table and this the husband and wife just start going well we were here before them why have they got this table why have they got this table start calling the waitress over why have they got this table start showing his phone i was told i'd get a text all of that pretty mad right the maddest thing i saw the wife right while the husband's having to go at the waitress just goes and sits with that couple at the table just claims it wow

it was such a fucking big move and you know what they won this other couple just said oh do you know what we're not if we arrived after you it's like don't worry about it and they just got up and moved somewhere else you know that's that's my worst thing right is like that when you've got that much privilege and you go into those sorts of places right me and you are probably brought up in a very similar way that if you were on holiday and you wanted to watch the football you would do what you and your family did you get there an hour early so you get a seat so when the england when england were playing in the last world cup and we were me and the boys were out filming The Curse. You'd get there, you'd literally get there, yeah,

for an hour, an hour and a half before us because you knew the bars were going to be packed. Yeah. So that idea of privilege, of people just rocking up when they want, kind of grinds my gears. Yeah, I mean, it got to the point where I started to feel like slightly guilty

for the prime position that we'd found ourselves in. That's where I was at. But you'd been there an hour early. I know, but you still feel bad because you're seeing people no no no no no you can't feel bad though you you you if anything you you're the hero of the piece you've done the right thing and also who are you to to go somewhere that's a restaurant that shows a football where else are you going for half an hour i know get your table sit down get your fucking priorities right.

Yeah? Get down and watch the game and support the fucking lionesses, you prick. Is what I said in my head. Obviously, I didn't say anything. I almost offered in my chair

in reality. And I bet afterwards they just got off, you know, and just walked off without even sort of watching the interviews or anything.

No. No, they didn't watch the interviews. I have to shout out as well wrong our friendship has grown infinitely and growing growing right well because now ribs well yeah so we're at a point now so I was so you had some serious dental work done recently yes I did yeah yeah. Are we going to get into detail about this? How open are you? I can be pretty open. So look, I had root canal, I think it's called root canal yesterday, right? They took out two wisdom teeth.

Yeah. When I went to, so basically I went to get my teeth checked at the dentist, general dentist, shout out to Tony. Yeah. And they made a joke about the fact,

because you had just been in, I think a week before me or two weeks before me to have almost exactly the same operation which is insane I've got to say Ron and I love you dearly you're I've never been so nervous as I was yesterday I was terrified

it is so like literally even now I'm not in as much pain as I thought I'm going to find it quite hard not to work out I've just for a bit of a walk but uh how did you find it how long after were you like in pain uh well I don't I did they give you a lot of painkillers and stuff yeah I've got painkillers yeah yeah so I wasn't actually that bad but like what I would say is Lisa had prepared herself because you know full disclosure and I think I speak for both of us when I say this, not the best, most heroic patients you could imagine in these sort of situations.

I am absolutely milking it, at the teat, milking it for all that life's worth, right? So Lisa, but this is how bad I am as a patient, right? The gentle dentist phoned Lisa. No, no, the same with Catherine. To expect my arrival and to give her basically a set of care instructions for essentially the piece of livestock that was arriving from its surgery right let's go back so lisa was on like fucking

high alert when i came back right she'd like katherine was incredible yeah she cancelled she'd cancelled meeting up with friends so that she could look after me right this is unbelievable work no no i i had my late so it's none of that but katherine is she laid out my tablets she's got everything do you know the bit the worst bit because also they they they freak me out because they're like uh you know you might have short-term memory loss because of the... Yeah, did they tell you not to use your phone or whatever? Yeah, which is literally... I was sat on the drive back and I looked at my phone the whole way.

And they were like... But they said to Catherine on the phone, I could hear them on the phone, they were like, you know, we're going to send him home with some tablets. He's going to feel a bit sore, so he'll need his tablets, he'll need to do his salt water mouthwashes.

Most of all, he'll need a load of love. I can almost hear Catherine at the end of the phone going, he's like... LAUGHTER But also, it's like, I'm such a hypochondriac, and such a warrior, Ron, right? They turn around to me and say, you've got a baby daughter, haven't you?

And I was like, and they're amazing with this, and it isn't, you know, but they're like, you can't be on your own for your baby daughter for 24 hours after the operation and i'm like what do you mean by that so what could happen like i started having all these fucking like like i'm gonna collapse and she's just gonna sort of like be crying next to me when katherine comes and also like katherine's not gonna leave me you know when or not but i started i freaked out massively about to leave me, you know, when I'm not. But I freaked out massively about that. Yeah, well,

you know, I can't be pushing the pram in my current condition. You know, my biggest issue is that, with regards to that, is I was told

that I couldn't look after the kids either. Not because of the surgery, just based on what they'd heard about me. No, they said you can't look after the kids, you can't be in solitary care

of the children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my biggest thing is I play dead a lot with my children, right? So sometimes we're having a fight and then I'll pretend to fall unconscious or, like, you know, I've had some serious thing and then they're, like, Is this because you're losing the fight? Sometimes. If it's three of them, it's tough.

Do you know what I mean? So, like, I just pretend to be on. I imagine now if it's you versus Theo. Listen, Theo kicked the shit out of me in a heartbeat he gives his rips right so

Alex has just got your eye at the moment you're going to have to give Charlie a real slap yeah I'm actually throwing it around a bit with Charlie still because he's the only one

that I could really confidently sort of take out I love the idea of them all in their bunk beds going Charlie mate you've just got to fucking smash that because then you get your fucking wings. No, but just what you've got to remember, Charlie,

is you're smaller, but you want it more. That's what you've got to remember. Anyway, so I've basically, it now takes longer and longer for them to believe, not to believe, to even show any kind of concern because like, so I've done this over the period of last few years i've basically trained them to ignore a casualty i i i i think if i actually collapse now like and lisa was out she'd come back six hours later and she'd go where's dad

and go collapse in the living room he's playing a game uh when did that happen about five minutes after you left and then she'd have to come and check on me. Do you know what I mean? Is it not, that could be the whole thing that's happened with Swimgate. Oh yeah, maybe. You're sort of joshing around. Yeah, I mean. You're sort of like, you know, you're playing up to the cameras.

Hmm. I, yeah, so I've got, I do think the boys are quite good at picking up on my sarcasm, but sometimes it goes wrong still to this day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I accused Charlie of being a racist the other day just for shits and giggles and he actually thought i was seriously making an accusation

but um yeah yeah yeah he wasn't he's proud of it what did he do he he made a i mean i can't really say what he did actually um because basically he he was sort of singing a song like but he was the song was made up of sounds and he was singing it at me so it was like rooted out of aggy aggy yak and in amongst those sounds was a racial slur oh my god wow by accident i can't believe you just called me that. He goes, what? I said, you just sung that, mate. And then he didn't realise I was joking, so then I'd say, I wasn't kidding, mate.

I wasn't kidding. Was he alright with that after? He was totally fine with it, but I experienced some regret. Lisa watched the whole thing unfold and just couldn't fucking believe that she's co-parenting with such a fucking idiot. But yeah, it was all fine in the end. How's the family holiday in general?

Good? Really good, man. I'm loving it. I mean... You've got to relax. I can see your shoulders have relaxed, which is nice. Yeah, it's fun. I do think that I am starting to...

I've had to accept the fact that I'm embarrassing the children a little bit, I think. What? In what sense? I've talked about this before, but I'm embarrassing the children a little bit, I think. What? In what sense? I've talked about this before, but like sometimes when I get animated in a conversation, they sort of shush me. Is this when you've had a can of beers inside you? Yeah.

I've been, yeah. Yeah. It happened last night. I was sort of, before we went to, so we went and had dinner and then we went to watch football and then I had, I had a couple of drinks during dinner and then I was kind of getting quite animated. What was it I was talking about? Oh, God, not football. It wasn't football.

Go on, fuck, go on, Adelaide. Just get at him, mate. Get at him. Tackle and run. I imagine there have been some people listening to this episode thinking, fucking hell, we're half an hour in here and he's not busted out. And congratulations, guys. your patience has been rewarded i think i saw i think i was talking about filming or something like that oh god you're joking don't please oh no do you know

yeah so basically all the cameras will be wearing and they just go rolling i'll do my thing mate and theo's like oh dad just watch the game but you know what i was you know what it was i've remembered now it was a story about um it was a story about how i was filming a thing i don't want to name any names because it's pretty incriminating but basically we'd finished filming a show like it was a show it's like a it a, it's a show that requires shooting at different locations. You know, like it's not scripted, it's non-scripted kind of comedy docky thing. Right.

And we were all having drinks at the end. Right. And, uh, whoever it was, it was supposed to get the stuff uploaded that we'd filmed, like lost the rushes. Oh wow.

So every, so everything we'd done for the last two days went missing. And I was telling that story, and I was sort of laughing about it, and the theatre's friend, he looked at a couple of tables around us. Who are you telling it to? Because you're not doing that thing. You know what, Tom? When I'm telling this story, can I just, no, first of all,

fuck you for saying I adore you, because I know that's going to lead to an absolute shooing, first of all. Second of all, you know what I don't like about this, this side of you, is that I am telling you the story. I am the villain in this story. I am openly admitting that I was talking too loudly and getting a bit carried away. And then what you do is, rather than offer some sort of fucking reassurance,

decide to actually double down i'm not doubling down i thought you were turning down i thought you were telling the story to theo and lisa and charlie and alex i was well charlie you were telling me like so all the tables i wasn't telling no i wasn't telling it to listen i am not by the way that is something that's happened a couple of times on this holiday where we'll be in the middle of a conversation this might be testament to me talking too loudly and somebody else will will proffer an opinion on what we're talking about yeah at another table that's the sort of thing that by the way i imagine textbook tom davis oh yeah yeah my katherine constantly

will the amount of times we're out katherine will tell me can you just keep your voice down sort of story for the restaurant yeah but i imagine you're the sort of guy we're out Catherine will tell me can you just keep your voice down sort of story for the restaurant yeah but I imagine you're the sort of guy that if you hear say if somebody's talking about West Ham or something like that you decide to have a little

join in or whatever well you know the thing about that the only thing that's the only thing I want to pick you up on on that on that notice that you've got

that observation is that it wouldn't just be a story about West Ham it could be pretty much a story just about anything. And I'll wait for a while for a true moment and go, sorry, were you just talking about global warming?

Do you know what? Can I help overhearing you talking about something that I've got absolutely no fucking knowledge of whatsoever? Which is everything but West Ham. I'd actually like to offer a really firmly held opinion based on no evidence or any information I usually just slide over and go so yeah I was listening to Joe Rogan last week

oh mate by the way one of the things this is bad right and I sort of thought of you when I did this I have started responding this is bad you know how you get trolled all the time I've started responding

the last couple of times I've responded to people on on social media like negative comments like a lot i don't know if it's because i'm on holiday and i'm just like i've just flicked through my phone and somebody says something so for example i did a i this i mean even this is embarrassing i did a tick tock yeah where it like transforms you into what you'd look like in the 80s right and so i did the tiktok you're really on tiktok by the way i go through phases i find it really hard to can keep at tiktok no i what i'll do is i'll do like a flurry of like three posts and then i'll go oh that was good and then i won't do it again for ages i mean i'm i wouldn't say if you're if you're accusing me of having a social media strategy, let me just back that up. No, no, no, I don't mean that.

It's like, no, you are like, you keep up with the trends on TikTok. I'd barely open the app. I sort of actually quite enjoy watching stuff on there. Yeah, I bet you do. I'd love to see what your algorithm's throwing up. Well, you know who I, I watch stuff that makes me annoyed for some reason. So there's this, I don't really, because I don't like to be negative about things and people but there's a family on there who do these dances

i know exactly who you're talking about and i find them like almost i don't know what i find them quite addicted i'm sort of puzzled by it because actually their dances are quite good sometimes actually think well actually yeah but i'm like who is watching more than five of these and i could question that the other day and i'd did that, yeah. But I'm like, who is watching more than five of these? And I questioned that the other day, and I'd watched about 30. And it's you? Yeah.

Because I'm like sitting there, and like, I know they started in lockdown. There's a part of me that just sits, thinks like, I don't know what the dad's name is, but what the dad was like before lockdown. Listen, Tom,

there's many forms of entertainment that started in lockdown and for some reason continue to have a life outside of it. Who are we to? No, it. Who are we to... No, but... Who are we to price those? With the dad, I'm like...

When he obviously went back to work after lockdown and was like, I'm doing this now. Was he always like that? Was he always dancing around the kitchen at work and dancing around desks? Or is this a side of him that people are now like, oh, bloody Alan's coming in? Well, I think the problem is with those things, as is with anything.

And we'll have been guilty of this, not to that level, but it happens all the time, is that they'll have done something organically. It's got a lot of traction. And then you're forever trying to replicate that or extend it. That's when stuff becomes awful. They're constantly, their dances that they're obviously rehearsing, and I don't know how much rehearsing goes into them, but they're clearly they're dances that they obviously rehearsing and i don't know how much rehearsing goes into them but they're clear i feel sometimes for the

daughter because she sort of seems like she's sometimes allowed in them sometimes not but that sort of upsets me but yeah i go to rabbit or i watch someone i just can't stand on there like a person who's really i end up watching loads of their videos i think this is so unhealthy okay this is something that i wasn't this is something that i've watched quite a lot of right recently on tick tock and then i'll get back to what i said to this guy anyway so it's people getting door stepped by pedophile investigators oh my god do you know yeah do you know what i'm do you know what i'm talking about yeah Yeah. There's loads of American ones on TikTok where they pretend to be like a kid,

and then this guy arranges to meet them, and then they turn up with a folder, and they go, Hey, are you Brian Shaw? And they go, Yes, I am. Just quickly, Brian Shaw is a famous strongman, so that isn't the Brian Shaw. Do you know what?

Do you know the thing that's really bad about that is the reason I said Brian Shaw is because I've been watching Strongman videos as well. Can I just absolutely clarify that this isn't... Brian Shaw was not one of the people that was... I mean, if you're going to fucking falsely accuse somebody of being a non,

don't. Put the word Strongest Man. Here's my tip. Don't pick the Strongest Man on earth. So anyway, let's call him something else. I don't know, Tyson Fury, right? A fresh voice can speak to you and open your ears and your mind to new views and new perspectives.

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Visit Knorr.com to learn more. So, what are you going to say about trolling, quickly? Oh, sorry, yeah. So, anyway. So, the video, it swipes across and it shows like an 80s version of me, which is like, it's like a really good looking black guy with sunglasses on, right? Yeah. Like, it's sort of, it shows like an 80s version of me which is like it's like a really good-looking black guy with Sunglasses. Yeah, like it sort of is slightly based Yeah, just on that as well because I mean you're working on another project so we can't really talk about the moment I was trying to do even for Takeshi's castle right for the AI he posted that I was messing around doing

Every time I AI you a cool black guy comes in. Oh, yeah, I know That is how few people brown people are in the media sort of eye i mean it couldn't possibly be that that guy's south asian it's got to be a black guy um anyway so i posted this thing and it made my nose narrower right right so i just put i posted the thing up and i said looks like my nose is narrower in the 80s yeah and this guy commented what romesh rang and aphel is trying to say here is that they've given him a white nose every joke he does is about race with this guy right so so then why i did this tom i don't know all right i just went that's a bit of a fucking reach isn't it like i commented back and then i then he commented again saying everything your whole career has been about

race it's all you talk about you're a diversity hire at best or something like that right and then i went to reply and then i thought to myself what am i doing i'm on a family holiday i'm now engaging in an argument on someone who's clearly a racist. Yeah. Well, I don't know why I'm expecting him to go, do you know what, Rom? You've actually opened my eyes on that. Sorry. I thought your diversity... Also, just the thought of a guy just watching TikTok

and commenting on your note. Oh, bloody hell, mate. Bloody hell. He can't just let it be, can he? He can't. You mentioned Tyson Fury. Have you watched his new Netflix show? So I watched,

I have watched the first two-thirds of the first episode, basically. What's your take on it? I'm actually slightly nervous to say what I think about it, Tim and this. I enjoyed it. There's... I think Paris comes across really really well

I think she does there's moments of Tyson some of it's not very nice actually to watch but there's also things in there

that I'm actually what I would say is I'm surprised that some of it got allowed based on

the behaviour being displayed in it but I kind of at least respect that on the level of that's clearly

what his mental health is doing because there's moments you can see the ups and downs, I've watched like three or four episodes now and you can see the actual how up and down it makes him you know, his ADHD

his bipolar and it's actually quite a brave thing to do that I think some of the behaviour he shows I don't agree with, but that is a part of mental health. Yeah, that's a part of clearly what he goes through. Well, I think you're right.

And I think that like, what I would say is some of his behaviour, and I only saw bits of it and I've seen some clips as well, but some of his behaviour is, you know, he's not very nice to her in some points in the

in the show i mean i think that's fair to say yeah and and at some points she uh reacts angrily as you would do because the person you're living with is being disrespectful right but at the same time they are both recognizing that this is a a mental health thing it does lead to interesting debates about how much you're willing to sort of accept as you know what is acceptable as like this is just a mental health thing versus i'm being treated pretty terrible do you know what i mean for me as well i think that he's clearly trying his hardest to to navigate that and i think she's incredible what i will say is actually watching that one and how I found it to be quite open and quite honest

and quite sort of upfront about how they both are. I watched the documentary about another fighter, not so long ago, and I won't mention her name, and it was completely the opposite. It glossed over so much stuff. It glossed over loads of scandal. It glossed over loads of stuff that actually, as a viewer and someone who, you know, I love boxing, I love MMA, whatever, at times you sit there and watch it and go, well, he's not even talked about this.

Whereas actually, I think... It was weird. It was a weird omission, actually, wasn't it? Whereas this one, they've gone the other, not the other, well, they have gone the other way. And I actually sort of, look, whatever you think of Tyson Fury, they have gone warts and all on this. Yeah. And there's moments of it where I, like his ups and downs, where I look at myself as like being,

you know, without being, I'm not, you know, I'm never quite as scathing or as sort of mean as he is. But there's times when I, if I can get into quite a low, and Catherine, you can see Catherine, like you need to get out of this pretty quick otherwise it's just gonna yeah I would say

look I'm gonna hold my hands up here and say look same thing I wouldn't ever I would hate to think that I've ever been to Lisa how he is to Paris in some of those clips right what I would say though is there are times when I've been so caught up in myself that I've been negligent. Or there have been times when Lisa has had to be supportive of an inconsiderate man. There is no denying that. Do you know what I mean? And so while I wasn't watching that behavior and recognizing it, I was thinking to myself, there have been times when I've got to be honest with you, I've not been proud of myself for how I've conducted myself,

how negligent I've been. I wouldn't say I've been abusive. I'd like to think I've not been abusive. But what I would say is that I have been caught up in my own thing or maybe being dismissive or maybe not as being as engaged as I could have been. Do you know what I mean? You do sort of think about, you know,

we, we can't just sit there in judgment on other people and go, I'm the perfect husband. There's no fucking way. And I think that's, what's brave about it. Cause it would have been very easy for them to make, you could have,

you could have done a cut of that, which shows him to be this big, lovable shout, you know, always just showing all the positive stuff and for her to show, but to actually be as open as they have and to talk about that side of things and that's probably why for me and you for most people it makes you quite makes you quite a difficult watch at times is because actually you you know you think christ am i

ever like that and that's that's in making documentary and making certainly i think so much stuff i think actually to be, to be fair to it at times, you know, I don't watch it all the time, but, like, the Kardashians can be quite openly, like, this show negative behaviour, but we watch so many things that are just positive or just negative, where this shows that... And I think when you've been married as long as they have

and been in a relationship as long as they have and someone who's quite... I genuinely think she comes across... I've never, like I say, I put aside, you know, seeing her genuinely think she comes across i've never like i said i put aside you know seeing her interviewed a few so i've never known too much about her but actually and also i'd say that she she comes across as a brilliant mother and and just yeah i think there's yeah i think i've i've enjoyed it i've really enjoyed it yeah i think it's a great show uh but i i think like um the fact that we're even talking about it i think it does raise a load of good talking words for example like the whole issue of mental health and

relationships and how difficult it is for the other person in those relationships who's having to sort of respond to that and deal with that in a supportive way and also how much responsibility the person who's exhibiting that behavior has to take do you mean because like there's points where he goes he quite he says when i'm in a bad way he sort of says i take it out on paris because she's the one you know we're all guilty of that of the person that's closest to you getting the brunt of it the question then is is how much responsibility do you take from that if you know that that's what's happening yeah how much how much responsibility do you have to stop that happening you can't you can't forever go is it fair to forever go that's just how i am and i take it out on you do you know i mean it's not i mean that's not right is it do you know i

mean no no no and i think it's i mean me and you have both talked about this on here and like uh you know i'm i'm going through like sort of quite a lot of therapy at the moment but again just other subject matters and talking about you know going back to having gone back to stand up and talk about anxiety and things and also there's times where you're like oh am i doing this to be selfish because i want to prove that i can accomplish something i could you know when i've got a small child and i've got you know and actually going to that's the other thing i'd the only thing i would say is is it how much help are you getting for that? Because that's the one thing I feel good about

is actually speaking to someone and having those conversations. Yeah, taking action. Rather than just going, oh, this is kind of the way it is. And actually, but like both me and Catherine, I'm sure you and Lisa, every couple, I think it's a two-sided coin.

I think we all as human beings can get slightly wrapped up in ourselves, slightly not ask the questions day-to-day that we probably should. And actually, that happens across us all. Because no matter human nature, if you're caught in a bit of a nosedive, you become very self-absorbed.

And you require someone to pull you out, and that's usually the person closest to you. And I think, yeah, that would be my only thing, is how much help help is is he getting and she getting but actually you can see that she she clearly has probably a better understanding of it all having lived with him than some people who you know she she knows how to get him out yeah that's what i'd say once you get later into it you realize you know that she she knows the trigger points and but it is yeah i i i i would say like i'm not saying that i i'm not comparing my situation i mean i am but i i'm not saying that my situation

is exactly the same as theirs but what i would say is like a game changer for me has been uh being more open with lisa when i'm going through those because the truth is in the past i would get dark in my head and then just shut down as a communicator. Do you know what I mean? And so, like, Lisa's having to deal with somebody that's, you know, not being as – and I manage it better than I have done in the past. But, like, dealing with somebody who's, like, gone quiet or whatever,

I very much shut down and bought stuff up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you're dealing with somebody that's like being kind of quiet. And I wouldn't say that I'm particularly snappy, but I would say that I just stop talking. You know, I'm sort of a lot quieter. And that is a lot easier to deal with when that person, you know, now I would say to Lisa, look, I'll be honest with you,

I know it sounds mad, but I'm a bit overwhelmed because I've got this, that, and the the other on and because those things are happening in quick succession it's like I'm finding it a bit funky to deal with and the great thing about in my in our relationship is like Lisa will not necessarily try and jump towards a solution she won't go well why don't you just do that if she sees one she'll go yeah she'll go or she'll go why don't you make a list of the way you've got you know like she'll offer try and offer practical solutions but sometimes you just go well look if you need to talk to talk to me about it in detail you can do i know that's what's going on i mean and similarly i would like to think that uh i would do the same for lisa

turns out though she seems to be slightly better put together than me so so it does it doesn't i wouldn't like to say i couldn't say it's 50 50 but you know i mean but like that's that's kind of how it is it's uh it's uh it's a tough one what a gear change by the way yeah well sometimes these happen on the old wolf for now the wolf and i you never know where it might go right listen we're almost sort of almost out of time with that. I haven't done any of the emails. So do you want me to... Shall we do one? Hit me, brother. Okay. This is from the Weaking Guinea Pigs.

Wow. What is Weaking? W-H-E-E-K-I-N-G. I don't know. I mean, you're asking literally the worst person. Yeah, well, you're looking at your phone, so I'm assuming Google's not on. No, no, no.

I'm not. I've just responded to a message. Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. Dear Wolf, Owl, Swan and Cat, lots and lots of love to you. All I love the pod,'ve just responded to a message. Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. Dear Wolf, Our Swan and Cat, lots and lots of love to you. All I love the pod and I think you're brilliant. We have a male boss around 10 years older than us.

He presents as a sensitive widower, but my colleague and I find him sexist, racist and classist. Although I know he'd never see himself as such. He constantly mentions our age and other women's ages in the team, pretending he believes we're the same age as him or older. As in, have you had your flu vaccine letter yet or you look tired is it the change he constantly refers to the menopause even though we're not menopausal and any none and anyway it's none of his freaking business just to the record we're absolutely acing our 40s and never felt

better about myself zimbabwean colleague was subjected to his long anecdote about how some larvae swam up his knob in lake malawi and then was shown as zimbabwean pagan statue online and asked to comment all within air of someone trying to let everyone else know how worldly wise he is it's excruciating everyone speaks in hushed tones about how he lost his wife many years ago and how nice he is but i don't agree and i just don't know how to get him to shut up i haven't even started and now he talks to us like we're thick as mints because his ex had a phd he mansplains books politics and just about everything despite being completely unselfaware he loudly congratulated me for cycling a mile up a completely flat road like and completed the tour de france saying that he couldn't believe what he was seeing because i don't look like a cyclist i use whatever's quickest

than a bike was that day there are so many examples it's every day of my working life any ideas how we can block out or stop our nagging boss have you experienced similar lots of love the week in guinea pigs tommy day wow um so interesting uh because yeah i was sort of talking about this just the other day it's such a strange thing when you get that sort of um someone who has been through something quite traumotional or some sort of yeah traumatic pain and the um the sort of buy almost that look this guy was and he sounds like a hideous fucking piece of shit if i'm honest and he's probably a hideous piece of shit before um his wife passed away and that's very sad um and i i say it's so difficult because um i think you kind of at some point have to as a group call out that sort

of behavior it's very difficult when it comes to work placing if someone's sort of in charge and someone's sort of offers seniority and it can be quite threatening if you're doing that on your own and you but actually all of the behavior that he's displaying is behavior that we're all we're all we're all trying to like actively oppose and actively that not be his behaviour, that we're all trying to actively oppose and actively not be the way that we're conducting ourselves in workplaces, I think, or any place. So I think, for me, it's a matter of probably having a chat.

I mean, do I think that you'll get the result you want? Probably not, though. I think that there comes a time and there comes a place when that sort of chauvinistic racist sort of sexist behavior he won't see that he's doing anything wrong it's a really it's you know we've just been talking about this with with the fury program and i think with and i think there's an element of it that is a mental health problem on the basis that i think when you let someone behave a certain way

and you're never brought into any sort of kind of, because I'm on fucking serious painkillers, so my brain's working, you're never held culpable for that behaviour. You become more and more bulletproof almost to thinking, oh, that's just a way. And even when you show any kind of empathy, it's done through almost this sort of negative sort of like sniper scope and i i find it really there's been a couple of times i've i've called people out on that sort

of behavior or mentioned it and tried to do it as a bit of a joke and they can't and won't see that what they're saying and what they're doing is wrong and i think uh certainly when i worked on building sites and and worked with certain sort of people you'd sort of say something and there'd be two sort of scores

of 40 but they're not hurting anyone or they you know it's banter and I don't I didn't mean it to be offensive or I

you know that was just a bit of a joke and actually we'll know it's if you haven't got the right to say what's funny when it's causing

offence to others that's that's sort of just that's just that's common sense really like you know and yeah i mean i just find the whole thing a little bit gross and sadly in life there seems to be people who get to power who who show these show these traits i guess like i say i guess if if it's having a negative effect i don't know if there's anyone above him that you, a few of you, if he's your boss or the manager,

or if there's anyone above him that you could all talk to, but otherwise I think it is having a conversation. Also just a support network rather than hushed tones about things, maybe just all get together and talk about what a fucking helmet he is. And you can have a little joke about him and he can become a figure of ridicule um which isn't nice in itself but uh like i say he's suggesting he's suggesting counterbullying is that what you're well yeah no no it wasn't originally it was set going to be more sort of wholesome than that and then as it sort of the

words escaped my mouth i realized actually what i was talking about as a coup d'etat. But I think, yeah, I think what I'd say is, yeah, I think at some points you've got to call that behaviour out as a group en masse and just say that we're not comfortable with it, we don't like it. Yeah. But Romesh Khan, my friend. Well, I mean, the guy sounds like an absolute fucking prick, but what I would say is that i sort of think about

when kids are at school i see this with my children is that they'll you sometimes see them behaving obnoxiously to each other they're not horrible like our kids you know every everybody thinks this about their kids but my kids are like you know they're good they've got hearts of gold but you do hear them saying obnoxious things to each other and you sort of get away with that with your brothers because your family but then they'll report back to me like as they've grown up they've said something or something's happened at school and they've suffered repercussions for that i'm not talking about bullying but like that kid has stopped talking to him or whatever or they've upset somebody and then they realize that you shouldn't talk like that to people and

that's how you learn it's like social awareness do you know what i mean what your boss is in a situation is is that because of his position of power he is not being sent the correct signals for his dickish behavior so he's behaving like a twat but because he's the boss he's not suffering the repercussions of that which he should be doing if you're doing that in a social situation and that needs to be remedied so you know there's one of a couple of ways you could do that you could either dead air him and just like any you know just you just basically anytime he thinks he's being funny just go why is that funny you know and you just all of you know that that's how you're going to behave so he suddenly realizes that actually this is 20 things to be saying or you get together and you write a letter of complaint to whoever's the head or whatever i

mean if he's the ultimate head you the letter goes to him but at the end of the day i think if everybody's feeling like that i mean your email says that everybody thinks he's really nice but i mean i think it doesn't matter if it's everyone or not it doesn't have to be a general consensus if he's saying stuff to make you feel uncomfortable then that's something you need to take action on but my in my experience when i've been working with people like that i just sort of uh respond or i try to respond uh in a way that i think that is worthy that that that what they've said is worthy of do you mean which is basically what the fuck does that mean or is that meant to be sorry was that was that supposed to be a joke sometimes you could do it with humor do you

mean just go like well you probably dropped an egg there haven't you mate that's what might be the least funny thing i've ever heard anyone say out loud or whatever just to try and sort of like bring him down a peg or two do you know what i mean but if that's not going to work because he's just so bullshit and lacking in self-awareness that he's just like he's just got a rhino hide then i think you actually need to take sort of more official action uh good luck with that i hope you can deal with that twat effectively uh tommy davis yo it's about that time you know i know you're on painkillers uh do you think you can take us out of this you know what i would i want to talk about the kindness of strangers uh just because it would be remiss of me not to mention. So I thought we had a gas leak in my house.

So yesterday morning, it was panic stations. I'd sent everyone else out from the house, and like a hero, I stayed. I made a call to the National Grid, which I'd never done before, and a lady came and checked my house out for a gas leak. Whilst here, I found her a brilliant company, a lovely person, and she put my mind at rest. Now, I think in life, it's really easy to be negative about things. We've displayed that a little bit on here today

where we talk about trolls and we talk about curtains. But actually, one of the main things to do in life, I think, is actually show gratitude when gratitude comes and show positivity when it comes. So I wanted to shout out for everyone out there doing a job and doing it well for everyone who turns up to someone's house is in distress for every time a waitress or a waiter puts your food down and it's absolutely beautiful and their service is immaculate for every time a chef breaks his back chef breaks his back to make sure your food's incredible for every time a postman knocks upon your door and then leaves a nice note

just to say that there was a box, but I'll bring it back tomorrow. I want to shout out those who never really get the pat on the back and then a shake of the hand. I want to say, yo, keep doing you, keep being you, because every day there's a champion you walk alongside who might not wear a belt or a gold medal, but they show due diligence and care in everything they do. That's beautiful, Tom.

That's really, really nice. And basically, I guess what Tom's saying is thanks for fixing his gasoline. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Okay, to take us out, based on the fact that I've been watching on TikTok quite a bit. Also, can quite a bit um i've got a bogey on my t-shirt the whole of this okay it's it's off frame so it wasn't worth mentioning oh no it's not it's a bit blood from my mouth like a bit scared did you have that did i have blood in my mouth yeah i wasn't spitting it onto my t-shirt but um like i'm sorry right you okay yeah yeah i think so I freaked out

by that alright okay so anyway I discovered this song on TikTok this guy just

put a little clip up of it it went viral and so he decided to make it into a single and it's pretty catchy

it's called Lil Boothang and it's by Paul Russell it's actually called Lil Boothang but JT can you drop

that as we go out thank you so much for listening to the podcast we'll see you next time.

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