Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 15: Marathon Training & The Underdog Special

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

We’re talking… product recommendations, Rom’s marathon training, tips from Mo Farah, quibbles with Quorn, the challenges of chaffing, bonks and running vests, a cheerleader challenge, Tom filming his Underdog special, plunge pool preparations, more dog treats and the best underwater swimmer in the world. Plus, some email questions about how we’ve changed since starting the pod, girl vs boy parenting, and a concerning obsession with conspiracy theories. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com/ A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go on, here So, we got an email in from a GP the wolf can we can we oh to the owl can we start off uh i need to address something um go on here so we got an email in from a gp okay uh and he has suggested uh and was being like you know kind of helpful that the i don't know if you recall and i say i don't know if you recall i know you do recall because i've had nothing but messages about it, the magnesium butter that I talked about on the last show, said that we're slightly running the risk of recommending things without any medical background or understanding. Oh, God. So, look, there is nothing...

All I'm going to say is, this is how I'm going to qualify, right? And a lot of people have been asking me for the brand. What is the brand called? Well, the brand have got in touch with me. They've got in touch with me as well. They are called Sweet B. Right, that's... Sweet B, yeah.

But I'm sure... I've brought some Sweet B. They've said they'll send some. I've already... And I've been... Yeah, look, man, again, I'd actually... you know what could be quite good is to actually get a doctor on this like a jeep because we're like so since we've we've

spoken about the magnesium but uh tonka alley and all various other things i'm getting a lot of people asking me for the brands and i'm like i i don't know i've i've had i've spoken to a doctor about this stuff apart from the magnesium bar, which I spoke to Dr. Ranganathan about, or Dr. Al. Everything else has been... I've spoken to someone about Tonga Alley. I've spoken to what brand is good and whatever.

I don't know if that will work for everyone else. So just to give a little bit of qualification, the butter has worked for me I can't I can't guarantee it's going to can I just say with the butter

are you how much are you lathering in in like I guess like sort of this is a piece this is a bit the size of a grape

no I don't know if I'm putting that's a big bit I don't think I'm putting that much on Jesus Christ I'm going to go for a fucking tub a night. That's what I feel, I mean, yeah. But I will say, are you putting it between your toes?

It depends how sort of frisky I'm feeling, do you know what I mean? Sometimes. Wow. Sometimes I put a bit on my calves. Yeah, I've put a bit on my calves and my quads. But then my quads felt quite weak. I don't know whether the magnesium butter's infiltrated my quads and they're a bit like oh this is so nice and chilled so yeah i sort of yeah i'm just gonna stick to the bottom of my feet okay it's incredible i've got

to say i'm very much i uh thank you i did the bottom of my heart that's all right i i did uh i did a band workout yesterday with with this. You know, like where you like, because obviously I'm marathon training, but you've got to improve your leg strength or whatever. So I was doing like, you know, when you put the band around you. By the way, the marathon thing is fucking insane, bruv. Well, I've not done it.

It came from nowhere. I knew you were enjoying running, but it's insane that you've just been like, I'm going to tell you now, of all the things you've done in your life, it's one of the most inspiring. Well, you do say that about everything. I mean, I'm pretty sure you said it

when I finished a burger and fries one night when we were out together, but... Yeah, that was a very dry-looking burger. No, I think, fuck me, I was like, where's this come from? Shout out as well, you're doing it for a great cause, calm, Carol Romish's page, give them the sponsor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. But what I would say is... no I think fuck me I was like where's this come from shout out as well you're doing it for a great cause calm yes Carol Romish's page

give them the sponsor yeah yeah alright but what I would say is I want the whole actually do you know what I think we could do

actually if you're up for this when is the marathon 21st of April oof it's near my birthday let's make sure I don't know if I'm

gigging that at that point just my luck that I can't come and fucking support my Jew yeah let me just have a quick look because that would be amazing oh I'm around't know if I'm gigging that at that point. It's just my luck that I can't come and fucking support my Jew. Yeah. Let me just have a quick look, because that would be amazing. Oh, I'm around. I'm around.

I'm around. Right, okay. I don't want you around. Mate, I'll be there. How can I not be there? Also, is Sweet Lisa running it with you? No, no, no. She'll be there with the boys.

No, I don't. You know what'll be fucking amazing if I turn up and the boys are like fucking El Tom's here as well I'm not running a marathon your dad's a hero today do you know

what I would hate is to sort of be because I'm going to be struggling you know my target you are my target is just to finish it and training is training is really hard

I had no idea like yeah it's hard anyway my big fear is that I look across and I see you like you know like Arnold Schwarzenegger's neighbour in Jingle All The Way where it's just like where you just sort of stood there with your arm

around the Swan just sort of thumbs up the kids all gathered around you that's it that's it no no me and Lisa won't be close because we'll have to big sign we'll be either sides of a big like a sheet with your name on it yeah run Rob run the thing I don't know I kind of wait I mean

listen obviously I want people to sponsor but I kind of feel like I'm getting all the good stuff out of doing the marathon without actually

having done it do you know what I mean like because when I announced it when I announced it that's like the England football team though Rob's like the England football team though Rob

that's the England football team bruv England football team do that every time they all get their sponsors they're all on fucking adverts everywhere they enjoy the fucking

bit of it coming up to it then the pressure starts when the tournament starts I'd rather do you know how I'd like it I'd like it if you don't announce it you do the marathon

and then you say afterwards I did the marathon could you yeah but bro then it's do the marathon, and then you say afterwards, I did the marathon, could you... Yeah, but bro, then it's over, man. Could you pay? Then it's over. No, but the run-up to it, you've got to enjoy every part of this. There's going to be a lot of sweet, sweet acclaim. There's going to be a lot of people shocked that you're doing it.

There's going to be a lot of people... I'm shocked. I'm still not convinced I'm going to be able to do it, to be honest with you. What do you do? What is the score if you need... You know what I think? I keep thinking about getting more people, because what I think we need to kind of do on this is get someone who's run the marathon before,

like Mo Farah or someone, right? It'd be quite interesting to get Mo. He's quite a good laugh, actually. And you sort of think all the achievements he's done and everything, and his background and everything. I feel like the ultimate legacy would be to give some coaching to a limping owl throughout the marathon. all the achievements he's done and everything and his background and everything I feel like the ultimate legacy would be to give some coaching

to a limping owl throughout the marathon yeah no but if if Mo came on here we could have a banter about loads of stuff he was brought up

not far from us or like sort of lived not far from us we could get him here little bit of corn chat yeah and then get a strength oh fuck yeah

because he's a vegan as well he's not he's not he's not he's not he likes corn. He's not, he's not. He's not. Oh, is he? He likes corn, though. Well. Hold on.

Before we start and we invite him on this, are you telling me that he did all the adverts for corn? Yeah, he did, yeah. But, I mean, look. Actually, I'll tell you, I would get him on here and I'd say, oh, hold on, hold on. Before we start, because I think you're an incredible credit. Hold on a second.

To the sport, to everything. But this whole corn stuff is insane. No, listen, before you make another horrible mistake of going in two-footed on someone who doesn't deserve it, all right, you know, corn isn't just for vegetarians. And also corn is... I like corn. Yeah, and it's not vegan, by the way, a lot of it.

I like corn, by the way, if you put some beef stock in it. Yeah, yeah, there you go i was trying to i took a pause for a second then see if you're being a troll but i actually think you mean it so no no it's really nice but because it actually absorbs the beef stock and makes it really beefy um anyway i think but mo farah would be amazing we love mo farah so let's maybe he could give you some advice. I imagine, I imagine as this goes out, his agent is absolutely, is fucking straight on the phone to him right away. Just like Mo.

This is the big one, mate. I know you've done an award winning, I know you've done an award winning documentary about your journey to this country. And I know that you're an incredible athlete, but it's finally come in. The thing we always hoped. The wolf and owl have made the call.

He will be. You know the guys that have been accused of quackery on the podcast for just recommending just mad medical... Yeah, them, those guys. The snake oil salesman. No, but listen, man, Mo is amazing, right? I adore Mo. I think he's a great geezer.

Well, I think if he comes on on number one, from what I know mate one of the big things you've got to worry about is chafing that's a fucking big one for you I chafed at the weekend actually what were you doing about it? I went on a run in Newcastle and got back to the hotel I didn't feel it during the run

but then when I got into the hotel the inside this is disgusting isn't it but the inside of my thighs felt quite sore raw raw yeah i mean yeah i mean it's you're using the right word there but yeah i want to say hold up can i just say the friction is caused because i was always confused is it your balls or your bollocks rubbing against your legs are you asking me are you asking me if it's your balls or your bollocks no no no no no no no just same thing balls bollocks or your legs running rubbing together what is the thing that well can i what i i don't know but what i

can say i i think it's clothing against your skin because my boxers the inside legs of the boxers sort of gathered it sort of gathered. It sort of gathered. Yeah. So it's kind of like, can I just make one suggestion? And this is the only thing I, cause I'm not a marathon expert, never run it.

I don't even run. Right. But I will say, get yourself down to Lululemon, get yourself a pair of their 70, uh, uh, 70 millimeter or 70 inch, I can't remember what they are.

Um, boxer shorts. It's unlikely they're 70 inch, I'd say. Um, what, what, what are. Boxer shorts. It's unlikely they're 70-inch, I'd say. What are 70-millimeter boxer shorts? They basically go further down so they don't gather, so you're not running the risk of chafing.

They're lovely, man. They're soft. They're really absorbent. My inside leg, I think, is 31-inch. So having 70-inch boxer shorts. I don't know if it's the way I want to go just even if I fucking double them up and we start off the marathon

and Robert Reganator at the back there really seems to be in some trouble tripping over his underpants the legs of his underpants are dragging through the tarmac and they've got weapons sodden and he's having a real nightmare well he's going to chief there underpants are dragging through the tarmac and they've got weapons sodden and he's having a real nightmare

he's got a chief there big fella he's got a chief there I don't know who that is at the end but I think yeah 70mm but I'd say get those in your life that's going to help you but before we do I'd say let's just try and get

try and get Mo or someone to give you some advice and a run-up to it yeah i'd like to come and see you train i'd like to i'd happily like get get a bike just drop like right alongside you as you're running that'd be lovely that'd be really nice that'd be really nice just giving you sort of like words of actually do you know let me do that at the actual marathon no i don't i mean i'm almost certain there's some things i'd have to check on but that i'm almost certain of that well yeah no i don't think it's gonna happen but thanks for the offer also that you know i think you should be grateful for the fact they wouldn't

allow you to do that i feel like riding for you riding 26 miles on a bike without any if you remember a few a few years ago i rode around that big river that big lake whatever it was yeah well the lake would have to be pretty fucking big for that to have been adequate training for you to ride the marathon it was mate

I think it was about 22 miles so obviously let me just have a look how long it was because I actually think I probably wouldn't need too much training

because I did that pretty quickly yeah I think that makes sense yeah if you did that a few years ago I think you're good to go

makes sense well I think that in fact what I. If you did that a few years ago, I think you're good to go. Makes sense. Well, I think that, in fact, what I might say to them when they say... 23 miles, Rob. 23 miles, mate. Yeah. And that was with no training. Well, I think if they say to me, if they say to me, I don't really think Tom suited to that. If I go, well, look, a few years ago,

he, during the course of a day, rode 23 miles around a lake with about six or seven stops for sandwiches and various kind of snacks and that yeah beers like pubs and stuff yeah yeah there's loads of but i'll tell you that could be a laugh if you made the marathon a pub crawl yeah yeah like you went in yeah uh what you what's what what you're what you're hydrating with well actually without getting too bored into it fueling has been an issue for me because it's just well because before I started doing these kind of distances,

I would just run without anything because you could get away with it. You can do 10K without anything. But you remember I told you about that? I've since discovered, do you remember I told you that story about getting stranded in Ipswich? Yeah.

And Greg's actually did get in touch. Oh, did they? Yeah. I'll tell you what you keep that care that to yourself doesn't surprise me greg's a completely fucking lovely people uh so yeah um what have they offered you some sort of no no i think they'll just get involved in the in the joke really but um i uh i had a i've had what i since have discovered is a bonk is that's what it's called. It's called a bonk.

So many words, this. Yeah, when you haven't fuelled properly and your body runs out of, what is it, glycogen, then that's when you hit the bonk. So I've been having to try and figure out a few. So I've now got... You're going to love this. I've now got a running vest.

What? With two bottles of water in the front. And then I've started taking some gels with me. It seems ridiculous, doesn't it? But you have to get... Gels that you rub on or gels that you eat? No, gels that you eat. And you have to get your body used to them

because otherwise they give you the shits. So that has to be part of your training as well. Well, that's the worst thing you can have with a marathon. No, you're absolutely right. You don't want to shit yourself with a marathon. Yeah, it's not absolutely the worst, but I would say it's up there. I'd say if I was compiling a list of top ten things

that I didn't want to happen, shitting myself would be pretty high up. I mean, I'm assuming that they've got toilets on the course, right? Yeah, mate, email them about that or call them. Yeah. That's a lottery you're running there mate

it's a risky I think it'll come up in the website FAQs I don't think it's sustainable for everybody to phone up

and ask them but yeah well yeah if you put it on here oh actually if you are running the

marathon if you want to get in touch we'll call this like Rom's Running Buddies get in touch

maybe send us a video on Instagram of you doing your marathon training Rom's Brethren whatever we call it Rom's Running Buddies, get in touch. Maybe send us a video on Instagram of you doing your marathon training. Rom's Brethren, whatever we call it. Rom's Kin. Any marathon runners out there who are also embarking on their first

or maybe their seventh marathon, just get in touch, guys. Only first and seventh, actually. We don't want to hear from anybody else who's doing any other numbers of marathons. Can I also say, if somebody can help me with the mental block that i'm currently facing i'd really appreciate that i mean i mean the you know me i told you before about dave goggins yeah but i'll be a bit that work okay so dave goggins i don't know if first of all i don't even know if everyone knows who dave goggins is but dave goggins is basically this guy that's like what is he hardcore fitness right is that the best way to say yeah

he's also he's a war veteran yeah he's done all sorts yeah but that's part of the problem is i'm not a war veteran i've not got that mental state so for dave goggins to go you just got to keep going it doesn't work i'm a different breed and you know people say when people normally say i'm a different breed that means i'm built with like some stern stuff i'm not i'm built of like cotton wool you know like mentally but you know what with someone like gogo right he's basically um he's so fucking mentally tough you only need probably 10 of his mental toughness right now and that will grow inside of you right that will start blooming inside of you if you can get inside of his way of thinking like i i think mate, you give yourself very little credit.

You've signed up to a marathon, literally, without being rude. If you told yourself, we've got a time machine now, right? Me and you got the DeLorean, right? You drive, right? I'll probably be sitting shotgun, just fucking having a laugh and playing with the radio and stuff. Breaking the flux capacitor or something. We are back to the future, right? like just fucking having a laugh and playing with the radio and stuff. Breaking the flux capacitor or something. Yeah.

We were back to the future, right? Only a mere five years ago, or pre-COVID, whatever. And you turned to you then and said, hi, I'm you for the future. You back then would go, fucking hell, look how amazing I look. What? Right? And you'd go, yeah, listen, we've done some serious work on ourselves,

both spiritually, mentally, and physically. I can fucking see that, mate. Right? And you go, I'm just about to do a marathon. And the older you go, no, you're not. That's insane. That's a mad thing to say. We'd never be able to do a marathon.

Right? And you go, we are fucking doing one. Like, you know, in like, well, the time is completely irrelevant because we have a time machine. So it could be in like 45 seconds or it could be in fucking yeah but we are going to do one and i feel like i could do it old you would turn around and literally go oh my god this is like fucking just the speaking of a mad person and i'd be there and they'd go fucking hell we're still friends i'll go best friends we've got a podcast now and you go fucking old and even even after the way that you were so horrible to me on uh on house of fools we're actually friends yeah yeah

yeah i know it seems completely unpredictable but what happens is you kind of accidentally do a podcast that gets more successful than you would have hoped and then sadly your careers are fucking intertwined forever. Also, you've become my sidekick in a relatively successful sitcom. Anyway, we've got to go back. Yeah, but listen. That's amazing, bro. You've got to look at that.

Yeah, fine. But the big flaw in what you've said, and by the way, I appreciate the support. You're a great cheerleader, is that I don't currently believe I can do that. Oh, well, maybe you'd like me to do that, dress up as a cheerleader. I'd love you to do that.

Yeah, in fact, can I make that request? If you would like Tom to turn up as a cheerleader, in fact, let's do a poll. Who would like Tom to dress up as a cheerleader? This is your marathon. This is your marathon. No, no, no. If I'm going to do a marathon I'll do a UFC fight

I'm not fucking I'd sooner that and dress up and make that my stick like you're turning up at a big event dressed up as a fucking cheerleader well let's

let's throw any dignity that I've fucking managed to claw up let's throw it open to a poll we'll do a poll on the wolf now

if you want him to be a UFC fighter or if you want him to be a UFC fighter or if you want him to be a cheerleader whichever one wins will be what Tom dresses up as okay JT

put it up put it up JT that's quite nerve wracking now either way either way you've got off quite lightly with the fucking marathon

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Thank you, bro. What a nerve-wracking evening, or day, recorded your special on Saturday night right congratulations yeah man thank you bro what a nerve-racking evening well probably 48 hours of quite aggressive nervous energy did the same was the cat there no no no she wasn't no no she wasn't she's not she's she's not seen the show yet she's gonna come in a London date I think no she wasn't i was i've been even more nervous if she was in the room because i felt like i don't want to yeah you know let myself and her down at similar it's it's like up there with the most nervous things i've ever done in my life yeah like because you you'll know this because you've done a number of them but

like you get one chance to get it right right and in you you know you're so worried about a moment or like something going wrong or well the one thing we were talking about before we started recording was like when they go to pick yourself up what i mean but obviously you're doing it to pick yourself up mentally and emotionally but i'm talking about the literal picking yourself up if you fumble a line. Your big fear is how mental that sounds. So if you go like, what's the deal with, hold on, what is the deal with, and then you just go, well, that's shit, isn't it? Do you know what I mean?

But that's what you're supposed to do. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trouble is as well that I'm not like, I mean, you've seen the show a couple of times I'm not like and it's quite short people are listening I'm not grammatically correct all the time yeah it's quite a show and that's what I would say if you are going to see Tom based on what you've heard on the on the podcast you will be I think it'll become

quite a shock to you that some of the words are used incorrectly and some of the pronunciation is a little off key. And sometimes even he doesn't seem sure of what he's saying. But listen, just don't let that put you off. The only thing I'd say that is sometimes is probably not a word that you needed in that. He never quite seems sure of what he's saying. But yeah, it was amazing, man. I've got to say that Portsmouth,

the crowd in Portsmouth was absolutely phenomenal. Listen, I'm doing Portsmouth again this weekend, right? Portsmouth's amazing, man. Those crowds are... I'm saying this now, I'm going to fucking die on my arse. I know it, I've jinxed it now. But what a great place to go and do stand up can I say by the way

enjoy the new stage we're putting a new stage that they're keeping oh really because the stage is quite far back wasn't it yeah

so we've we lengthened the stage for them and they loved it so much they're keeping it as a thing and is there going to be

is this going to be when I do it is there going to be some scaffolding that says underdog on it mate how cool did that by the way shout out to Anna Sheldrake

who's my long term very good friend and she's done all that shows from King Gary to The Curse and films that we made yeah she's amazing but she made that

as a thing and I was like it looks incredible yeah I mean I did some of the fixing I did a little bit of the fixing I jumped on just a little tight,

did a little tightening up and whatever. But yeah, it looks... It's fucking... I think I'm even more nervous about watching it back because I don't really ever even listen to my... You know when, like, shout out Dennis and Maxine when they record them. I don't even...

I can never listen back. I find it really difficult. Oh, yeah. Can I just say i'll take the opportunity as well shout out to dennis and maxine who go to the trouble of recording and i've had it confirmed that it's completely fucking pointless tom never listens to big shout out to you thank you for connecting all to the desk and those are the extra trouble but just so you know thomas never listed and never will do

big shout out Big shout out to Listen Back Soon. Big shout out. I do listen back down again to little bits. Bits that I forget. But yeah. But yeah, man, it was an amazing thing and I'm very,

yeah, very, very thankful for it. And yeah, it feels like a big moment in my, you know what? I spent two weeks before cold plunging every morning to get myself mentally ready for it yeah um i'm looking to get into the what have we become on this podcast we've become like magnesium butter tong ali fucking plunge baths what the hell's going on I was I was a big

we're like the fucking we're like the fucking British Joe Rogan now what the hell's going on except without the money and the support from Spotify and the life changing wealth

but I felt like I felt the anxiety I was feeling on the run up to it was fucking insane so I was like I need to really like

key in some fitness and also I was by the way i was very very fucking uh i had a negative feeling so i was like that whole cold punch thing feels insane i'm not sure if it works and i will say actually it's pretty fucking bad i mean very unlike me i was uh i made a very fucking hasty judgment and actually having used it now for a couple of weeks i was like oh no this actually is are you doing it every day

I was yeah I'm not now I'm going to do it every other day I'm going to try and do like a workout like this morning oh man this is fucking

I know it's awful it's awful what's happening it really is bad yeah yeah but you you don't want to try because it's really

it's good for you for a runner because it will help your like recovery do you know what I mean want to try it because it's good for you, for a runner, because it will help your recovery. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But to do it after you weight train or whatever. I mean, look, man, I'm looking at getting into the UFC or some fucking wrestling. Actually, you know what I'd like to do?

I'd like to get into WWE. That would be fun. Yeah, I think you'd be good at that. I really do. I could play your sort of shrewish manager. Oh, like Paul Bearer? Yeah. Back in the day with The Undertaker.

Underdog? Underdog? We're not going to get the main event if we carry on behaving like this. Underdog? You know that's... I'm going to shut up, you little weasel. Underdog? Underdog, I'm just trying to look after your career.

That's a breach of I pooped my pants because I went for a big run that's a really random fucking thing that was isn't it well how have we gone from me managing your wrestling to me shitting myself that could be like the thing that you do

you're like at the side I'm the dog he's half a leg in oh you are kidding me yeah this guy shit his pants again um yeah and i think i think that uh underdogs managers he's running out of the stadium oh my god he's had another one of his accidents oh god looks like little crappy shit himself again. Why do you keep calling me little crappy underdog? Actually, as well as talking about, can I shout out Denzel's, the dog business? Can I just say, by the way,

that I've been contacted via my agents, through email, through most social medias, from this company, Denzel's, of the dog treats that I sampled, asking if I want more of them. So I'm not sure if they listened to the story or they just saw that you were mentioned. I don't have a dog anymore, which is something we've discussed here before.

I don't really have any need for dog biscuits. Look, if you want to make a charitable donation, I'd love you to send them to somewhere like Battersea Dogs Home or somewhere like a dog's trust or something. If you're going to do that, that would be a lovely thing to do, a nice gesture. But I don't really have any need for dog treats uh as you know as dog treats go and the ones that i've sampled these were by far the nicest but it's not something i'm looking again into long time i all

send them to romesh and his you've got two dogs haven't you yes i do yeah yeah yeah yeah so i mean you know but i mean yeah I think you know you're loaded up with Prime and loads of other free shit so it feels like sort of the dog treats

should go to sort of dogs that need them yeah I would say I would say look Denzel if you listen to this and you are

for some reason taking Tom's instructions as gospel have you got a choice between sending them to me and Battersea

dog site I think send them to me no Battersea no the dogs trust there's some there's great dog charities out there

and that would and then we'll yeah that would be a nice gesture yeah I'd have no use for them unless you're really

unless you're really hungry do you know what I mean like you'd have to yeah yeah I don't know if that hopefully it'll become or I'd just have to end up being a weird guy

walking around local parks and fields and like just with pockets full of dog i could say that i could see that i could see you fitting that that might be me in my later years it's just like yeah i think the only thing i'd disagree that is later late years i feel like that that could be that could be your weekend you know oh good did you remember him before he did that big comedy special no he just lurks around here all the time he's always down the park just with hands

and dog treats he calls himself underdog because he is always under one offering them some sort of Denzel treat

here we go my lovely here we go come here he's got a manager now leave the dogs alone. Can I have one, please? I like the peanut cashew and turkey one.

Please. Oh, for fuck's sake. You've shit yourself again, you little toad. Oh, no. Little toad's worse than little crappy. Yeah. What I love is we started all of this off by talking about a banded workout you've been doing.

Oh, yeah. Well, it's left me quite sore. Oh, really? Yeah, you have to do like, you know, like you do like kind of donkey kicks and all that shit. And like Lisa was showing me what to do and

Lisa's got yeah I can imagine Lisa's fucking handy with the band what does that mean like she's a good bit of band like she's

trained like that right she does band Catherine does it all the time yeah why can you imagine why can you imagine that I'm not imagining it I'm just saying

well you just said that was literally your words I can imagine Lisa being quite handy Lisa be like katherine right no that they katherine's very like you go but if i go head to head like by the way me and katherine went swimming the other day right she swims more than i do it was fucking embarrassing yeah i i can't um i can't actually me three times oh my god i mean i mean, I can't really swim, as you know. I'm a good swimmer. I've got the fucking endurance now.

Yeah, I know. You used to show off and stuff, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. Swim underwater. Mate, swimming underwater, by the way, I'm fucking, no one can touch me. I go head to head with anyone swimming underwater. Adam Peaty, fucking the big guy from Australia.

Yeah. I genuinely think that, like, there's some fucking thing that I've been born with like not gills but like some sort of incredible like ability just to sort of hold my breath. Well you've got. If I go on holiday. Go on. No no go on. I was going to say well I think it's probably got lungs the size of an ox. I mean it's probably sensitive isn't it? Yeah but if I go on holiday right first day I'll probably be able to do a length right. Then I train myself so hard for like a week

ten days by the end of it Catherine's like where's Tom and someone's like oh he went underwater like a couple of minutes ago and I pop up

and I'd have done like six lengths yeah I doubt she's asking where's Tom but yeah I can believe that you're increasing your lengths

and then what reporting back to Catherine just going oh it looks good yeah obviously yeah and then like like, yeah. Hopefully there's a time with Grace,

she's like, oh, my dad can, like, swim, like, sort of six legs. Yeah, fingers crossed. That's something to look forward to, isn't it? It'll be a little time when she finds that cool and it'll just become a bit eggy. So let's be clear. When it comes to shipping internationally,

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it's gotta be kd shop now do you fancy um an email emotion yeah yeah okay on one sec. Well, thanks again once again to The Swan. We've still got loads backed up here. Okay, this is from The Baby Platypus. When they get backed up like this, I'm slightly nervous that I'm going to read one that we've already done because, as we know, JT had to message us about a 20-minute discussion.

That was a film pitch. 20-minute discussion we had about a film pitch. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Basically, we'd already done it and hadn't realised and JT knew instantly and the two twats that he has to work with first of all the twat that selected

the email and then the two twats who went on to discuss it like they were having a fresh conversation and had no idea I mean it was so pathetic. And he also said that... We're essentially a pair of goldfish now

with that conversation. We just talk about the same fucking subject all over again. Yeah. In many ways, it's good to move on to plunge balls and stuff,

isn't it? Just for a bit of... Anyway, this is from the Baby Platypus and it says, Dear Wolf, Owl, Swan and Cat, thank you so much

for your podcast. I'm an oncology nurse. I can safely say that your weekly updates provide me with a lot of much-needed laughs says, dear Wolf, Owl, Swan and Cat, thank you so much for your podcast. I'm an oncology nurse. I can safely say that your weekly updates provide me with a lot of much needed laughs after some difficult days. I was catching up on today on some of your earlier pods as I'm up to date with the recent ones and I've been listening to pilot number one, Aliens, which is absolutely cracking me up. It looks like it was recorded right at the start in 2020. I wanted to ask how you sweet souls have changed since then in your proudest achievements of the last four years.

Sending you all best wishes and many thanks. First of all, thank you to the baby platypus. Thank you. The baby platypus, that was lovely. Can I also say, Lisa, who chooses his emails, she knows I struggle with questions like this. So her selection of this this i've got to say it's either ill-advised or malicious and i'll have to try and figure out which one that is

as we go on uh but tom how you've changed over the last four years in your proudest achievements wow man how have you changed after the last four years well um wow well i guess wow becoming a father would be it. I think that's pretty much the biggest achievement and the thing that's probably changed me and sculpted me more than anything else. As a husband and a dad, I think that's the thing that, without parallel,

is the biggest thing yet. That's been pretty amazing. When we started off this podcast four years ago, yeah the biggest biggest thing yet that's that's been pretty amazing that's that's the like you know when we started off this podcast um four years ago i think it was around the time that we were sort of told that me and katherine we wouldn't have children so um yeah so uh to have gone through the process we've gone through and now to be sitting here with an amazing little daughter an amazing little girl that's that's uh and it's it's a pretty incredible thing actually when sometimes you speak to people who have listened to this

from the beginning and people who've been along in a sense on that sort of journey and remember that sort of time and now this one so yeah it's it's um that's yeah that's that's it's quite yeah quite an incredible thing to think of so um yeah thank you actually for for because that's uh something i've really thought about but yeah thank you very much thank you uh for reminding tom of his daughter um i i i uh i hope my daughter's half the woman you are by the way when when she she grows up exactly half yeah um i uh i don't yeah i i think uh i think probably my greatest achievement of the last four years is i'd say probably convincing the swan to bring like to renew our vows i i i i actually feel like this is quite an open, maybe I'm being too open here,

but I would say that you get into a thing, you can get into a thing where, like when you've been together for a while, you not take things for granted, but you can fall into a bit of a, I wouldn't even describe it as a rut. I would describe it as a settled thing where you maybe you're not,

you're not, you just sort of get settled where you maybe you're not you're not you just sort of get settled and sometimes you realize that you're not doing enough things for the relationship I mean it's you know you get busy with kids we've got three boys uh who successfully uh occupy us I mean and then I feel like um you can sometimes I guess, be a bit negligent. And so I think that's something that Lisa and I have addressed in the last four years. And I do believe that our relationship is stronger than it's ever been. And I'm very grateful for that. And also the last series of League. Last series of League.

I forget saving your marriage. I say they're on like about yeah yeah they're very close they're very close yeah yeah yeah I'd say yeah yeah yeah

your managing of that that show is yeah up there yeah to be fair yeah yeah yeah yeah let's leave that there

yeah let's leave that there for people to discuss okay this is from the excited Labradors. Dear Wolf, Owl, Swan and Cat. Dear Wolf, Owl, Cat and Swan, actually. Thank you, Sweet Salts, for the podcast.

You've turned my partner eye into true Tom and Rom fangirls and will now follow anything you guys are involved in. Well, I would say, just based on the beginning of this podcast, you know, have a little bit of measure to that, okay? Because, as we said, we're not qualified yeah so if you're listening to this while you're lathering yourself up uh with magnesium butter and chowing down on a couple of denzels i would say just just uh have a think about have a think about the the intellectual quality of the two people you're listening to uh we both thoroughly

enjoyed tom's warm-up show in newcastle though i was slightly disgruntled when my partner got tickets to the finnish show so i had to take his best mate instead of me angry face emoji we both have tickets for rome's newcastle show in march however uh so that is something to oh however so that is something to look forward to i'll be 38 weeks pregnant at the time of the show so hopefully ron can help laugh me into labor my question is relating to look forward to. I'll be 38 weeks pregnant at the time of the show, so hopefully Ron can help laugh me into labour. My question is relating to the upcoming birth of our little girl. There is a lot... That show's happened now. She's not got back in touch,

so we can only assume that she's fairly indifferent to that. My question is related to the upcoming birth of our little girl. There's a lot going on around social media about being a girl parent versus a boy parent. And as the Wolf and I have experience of both, I wonder what your thoughts are on this phenomena Tom do you have any tips for my partner becoming a girl dad or do you think the gender of your baby really means nothing when it comes to the parenting experience

I'd love to hear your thoughts thanks again the excited Labradors I mean I've only had a daughter so I don't know how that will run differently I do think there's probably a difference in sort of, you know, when you're around kids of Grace's age and you sort of,

there is a difference between girls and boys, I think, you know, in how they act and how they can be. Personally, yeah, my advice, all I've, I've been quite open. I wanted, I was hoping for a daughter i think she's um yeah and i mean she's yeah it is it's an incredible journey that you're about to go on genuinely and one that you know as as a part prior email so as i said it's it's one that both challenges but also is the satisfaction of being a parent is is unparalleled and i say that by the way um and i and i'm i always worry about saying this because uh and again i've been very

open about this but you know for seven years me and katherine tried to have children couldn't have them i do realize that some people are in that position and it always i i i slightly worry actually when i when i talk like this because i realize how difficult it is for people who can't have children because like i say that was that was our lot for a long time and that's something that i'm always very conscious of uh of doing because it's um yeah something when it's very difficult man it's very hard like you know if you're in a conversation and people are having kids and and you can't it's very difficult so so i do apologize if anyone is listening to this and is going through that it's a really tough time and my heart goes out to you

and i do feel for you but um it is yeah it's just the most amazing thing and i think your partner will love every minute of it it's gonna enjoy every every part of it it's um yeah it's never it's tough at times it's tough being away from them when you've got to work away from them but um yeah like genuinely every time that if I question anything I'm doing or if I worry about anything I'm doing I just need to look at sort of pictures of her and it gives me a little bit of strength and it gives me a little bit of um validates the things that I want to do in life and the things that you know I want her to be proud of me and it's for the first time in my life.

I feel that there's someone out there that, uh, hopefully that, that, you know, can actually look at the things I've been through, the things that I've done and go, well,

actually, you know what, that's, that's a bit of an accomplishment. And, you know, he's not just a complete loser. So,

um, yeah, it's an amazing thing. So I don't, I think whether it's boy, girl, whatever, it's,

uh, it's an amazing journey about to go on so i wish you best of luck and all the love in the world um thank you so much excited labradors i i like like time i can't comment on the differences between uh bringing out different genders because i've got three boys um but what i would say is that I taught, uh, for a long time, uh, both boys and girls, obviously. And, uh, I feel like, I don't know. They, I mean, what I would say is I don't think it's a, a huge, uh, unfair generalization

to say that the girls mature more quickly than boys do, uh, in terms of like their interests and how they carry themselves. But what I would say is like having three boys that are all similar in some ways but also incredibly different in other ways i just think it's down to the individual i think those challenges are represented by like what that individual child turns out like i mean it's sometimes having three boys has given us this thing of like i i sort of can't believe that all of them are a product of us i really can't believe it for one of them no but in all seriousness i can't believe that they're

all a product of us just because they are so different in terms of their personalities and what they're into and how they conduct themselves they've all got different elements of us but yeah i i feel like allow yourself to be guided by your child i I would say is my advice, in terms of like, you know, we try and be completely open-minded to what they might be like or what they might be into, what they might want to do, so that we can just support them in that as much as we possibly can. And Lisa's great at facilitating whatever it is they want to do if she can, if we can, and sort of taking them in the directions they want to go.

So, like, you know, one of them's into football, another one's really into tech, one of them's really into art, they're all really into acting and stuff like that. They're all very funny in their own way. So it's just kind of like nurturing that, I guess. And I feel like the challenges uh that you'll face as a parent are kind of brought up by the individual characteristics of your child but what i would do is uh second tom again with the caveat that we understand that people are

struggling to have children that it's uh you're about to go on an incredible journey so uh oh and the other thing i would say is it is all amazing but i would say that on average i do 10 to 15 things that i worry that are negatively affected my children's ongoing development i mean the number of decisions that you have to make about how you deal with them or how you speak to them or you know we're constantly faced with new things we just go shit how do we deal with this something might come up at school or they're finding something stressful or there's been a social interaction they've had that they're they're not happy with there's so many demands of you to like judgment wise on how you advise your kids and you know and when they're very little obviously that's that's keeping them

healthy and stuff like that and then as they get older there's other issues you know what i mean and i can't think of it the last time i went to bed without thinking oh maybe i did that wrong maybe i said maybe i said the wrong thing there oh god maybe that's something he's going to be saying to a therapist when he's older you know and there's all and also the other thing is tom and i being as riddled as we are with uh anxiety and mental health concerns the The worry about passing that on to your children. I mean, the number of years I managed to successfully pretend I wasn't scared shitless of spiders,

just so that didn't get passed on to the kids. Just a minor example. But yeah, be prepared for a lot of self-doubt. But with that, you are rewarded hugely. So good luck with it, excited Labradors. I hope it goes brilliantly. One more of my son? Yeah, let's do one more.

Let's do one more. Oh, this is quite, this is actually quite pertinent for people that have seen Tom's show, this next email. Hi, Wolf, Alcaton Swan. I love your show.

You've kept me company on long, boring drives to work. It honestly feels like having two hilarious mates in the car with me. it never fails to make me laugh out loud so thanks for that i'm writing because i have a friend that i've worked with for quite a few years we get on well i consider him a good mate the only problem is over the years he's gradually gone down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories what was once in the early days quite understandable in terms of i could sort of see what he's talking about has now transpired into an alteration of what's real and what's not to the point i'm gonna i'm trying to defend the common

view that the world is round and we're not being lied to about gravity what makes matters worse that he started voicing his opinions to more and more people we work with being labeled slightly unhinged and i'm starting to get uncomfortable in the position of being his friend i don't want to get tired with the same brush but also don't like the idea of abandoning him because of it i just wish he would tone down the crazy a little bit my question to you is have you had any experience with that sort of thing even if you haven't what do you suggest is the best move keep what you're doing what you're doing you two are a beam of joy in the world uh sincerely the apprehensive alpaca uh p.s uh i live near scott's butchers in cararsholton. Pretty sure the wolf's been there.

Is that right? Well, we filmed actually King Gary in there. Oh, right. Scott's Butchers, shout out. Yeah, it's a beautiful, I mean, Butchers go. I'd say if you're a love Butcher, Butcher in, look, yeah, it's just a bit dark actually. If you like a Butcher's like I do, Scott's Butchers is unparalleled.

Yeah, I would second that. They're my favourite Butchers. I'd say that I've been around Butchers is unparalleled. I've been butchered all around the world. I would second that. They're my favourite butchers. I'd say that I was about to say I've been around butchers all around these aisles and Scott's Butchers

could go toe-to-toe with any butcher I know. Yeah, 100%. If you're really lovely cuts of meat succulent juicy. If you're really into butchering

I don't think it's better than Scott's. Scott's Butchering is probably the best. Also, beautiful shop. Yeah. Looks a bit like a barber's but it's actually a butcher's's Butchering is probably the best also beautiful shop yeah looks a bit like a barber's but it's actually a butcher's

yeah they need to do something lots of loose hair around there and stuff like that but once you get that off the cuts it's beautiful

I don't know why I'm doing all these dad jokes anyway Tom what do you think you've become a Billy Dad joke I don't know what the fuck's going on

with me man anyway go on sit and talk about a father, I decided to do exclusively dad jokes for the rest of this podcast. I've had a lot of experience of this, my friend, from numerous people in my life. The one thing I'd sort of say about this is

conspiracy, number one, I think there's a real shift in that and how all of us, a lot of people, people that I don't think look across the whole, I think there was a time where news had to be sourced and news had to be looked at and we were getting news from news channels and newspapers and journalists. For the most part, I think there was an earnesty to it. And now I think, obviously, the world's opened up,

and I think there's a lot of stuff out there that whichever side you sit on the fence, that you could easily find the stuff you need to find to make your argument correct. When it comes to conspiracy theories, and I've got a number of, as I've said said a number of friends in my life who've fallen down this into this a lot of it starts i think by a slight fear i think a lot of it starts by a fear of how the world's changing um i think a lot of the stuff that the people in my experience have read into or looked into starts off with a worry about something it

usually is a worry of you know you know what's going on in the world whether it's politically whether it's war or whatever and i think that if you look hard enough you know you can easily find evidence that will push your theory or your your view upon the world and and to show other people and i think it's a real sliding scale of what can, as a friend, it can go from something that's sort of like, you know, a little bit of bantering in a pub and a bit of a joke or like, you know,

someone coming up with a sort of fact or something that, you know, and then it can actually sort of spiral, it can snowball into a sort of quite insane thinking. I've got a couple of people who have been really close to me who have really fallen into that trap i've always tried to number one listen to it and discuss it with them because i think it's important to go right this is your view this is kind of what i think and there's evidence of both sides i think it's worth having that discussion rather than just going on this person's

a complete nut job or you know push them to the side um you kind of without qualifying or you know giving them saying that this is right or this is whatever you've got to try and give them another side of it um but as silly as it sounds sometimes i think it's also you've got to go what is really going on here it's like what is actually happening and and in in one of these scenarios the person i'm talking about you actually start breaking it down and they're kind of a little bit low they're kind of a bit down and and like i say they're scared they're scared about the future they're scared about what's happening in the world and like that can manifest in many different ways and when actually you start having that you start actually going into detail about it you realize what what's going on and um hopefully you can you can break that a little bit i i think it's a really

difficult thing i think like because you don't want to be dragged into that you don't want people thinking that they're your views or your opinion especially if they you know push into sort of stuff that's slightly sort of offensive or alienating or whatever. So I think you kind of want to make sure that's not your, but also I think if it's a good friend, it's someone you get on with, I think a pint and just sort of trying to sort of, and sometimes that's a,

that's something that could take a few times of chatting that you realize what the source is and what was actually going on. But yeah, I'd say that if it's someone you like and someone you enjoy being around, I think it's worth just, yeah, trying to, trying to sort of get through to them a bit.

As my old man used to say, there's different horses for different courses and the world would be a shit place if we all just thought the same. And I think that's, yeah, you kind of got to just hopefully educate and open their open their mind just a little bit to what they're reading any uh yes very good advice from tom d as always um i feel like without getting too worthy about it like there's lots of aspects of the world that

are quite frightening and conspiracy theories are a form of comfort if you believe that there's a level of organization to something or there's something going on that you understand even though that feels like a scary thing there's something in feeling like you understand things beneath the surface that is comforting and i think that's why people some people gravitate towards conspiracy theories having said that i do think there's an argument that maybe we're too accepting of what we're told and information we've delivered so i understand the inclination to go towards conspiracy theories and also if you read any of them they're very tempting and also one of the things that's difficult about conspiracy theories is it's very

difficult to dissuade somebody uh from a conspiracy theory because if you go well the evidence doesn't suggest that and you go well yeah of course it wouldn't because that's what conspiracy is do you mean they're trying to cover it up so then it's very difficult to argue against that um so what look what i would say to you is is i i think in first and foremost primarily you need to support your friend um i don't think it's the right thing to dismiss what they're thinking um i think that what you can do is support them and if they engage with you in a discussion you can put your views across in a non-patronizing way in the hope that they will kind of form they'll they'll settle into a groove of of being

of being okay with that, do you know what I mean, and not becoming obsessive or whatever. What I would do in the short term though, because that doesn't help your problem of them seeming unhinged to other people, is just explain to them, having a discussion with them,

that some people will make a judgment and that's not their fault, but people make a judgment if people talk in what they perceive to be like wacky ways or you know the idea that bullying stops uh at school is a fallacy you know like we've all seen people that are a little bit different in the workplace or they behave in a different way or they have a different set of values or they live their life in a different way and those people can often be ostracized and i think that's what you're worrying is going to happen to your friend.

So I would sort of, in a similar way that you've explained it to us, is without being dismissive of their views, just going to them, look, man, like some people aren't really on board to having those sort of chats. So, you know, in the same way that some people have different unpleasant, or not unpleasant, some people have different or unorthodox political views or beliefs on some things they learn to sort of not necessarily always be engaging in those conversations unless that's opened up for that because it leads to problems so i i think you need to sort of explain that to your friend or at least have a chat with your friend about that

so that they can manage it in a way that you know you're not being dismissive and saying they can't believe the things they believe but there's just a way of of doing that um i hope that's helpful uh apprehensive alpaca uh good luck to you uh tom i'm slightly concerned that you have to do you have to leave this very second i've got a press i've got a press chat but i'm gonna i'm gonna sum up and i'm gonna follow you okay yo flip it um here we go okay people listen up and listen right my learning friend my closest ally the man who isn't just my right hand he's my left hand and my soul the guy just above me in this chat mr romesh ranganathan is about to kick off the biggest feat of his life yo he's about to help a marathon that's incredible that's amazing but we should all learn a little

bit from this we should all learn that sometimes the seas that we're worried to sail are actually the seas that can fulfill us the most sometimes the mountains that seem the tallest and seem like we can't climb are the ones that we should head up and just climb i'm not talking about that in just a reality of actual physical things i'm talking about in mental block two maybe there's a friend you haven't spoke to for a while maybe there's a place you're scared of going that actually if you can go you're going to beat down a door that's been closed for a while what i'm talking about is bashing down the the man-made ceilings that we have that raised above us what i'm talking about is growing as a person,

facing a new challenge. That might be a book you haven't read or a song you haven't listened to because you don't like the eyes but yo Beyonce can do country. What I'm talking about is growing your mind, your spirit and your soul to become a bigger, better person and become a better you. And that can come in all kinds of ways. So every day that I think about the guy above me stepping out of his house, rain, snow, sun, wind, to go and train for a marathon, a feat he never thought he could do, I think, you know what?

I'm going to get out of my door and I'm going to do something I never thought I could do. Because that's what life is. It's setting a challenge and saying, yo, go fuck yourself. I'm going to complete it people don't stand on just being

you for a little while go be as good as you can be because you're amazing each and every one of you and I goddamn love you that was really great Tom and you've made me change you've made me change the song choice.

JT, can you play from the Karate Kid soundtrack, Joe Esposito, You're the Best Around. And we will see you next time, guys. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Peace. And love. And all that good shit. All right, bye-bye.

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