Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 29: Hotel Audio & Vegan Beef

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

We’re talking… both podding from hotel rooms, dodgy sound quality (sorry about that!), Rom’s new Oculus VR headset, getting distracted, continuing colds, finishing up tours, tucked-in bedsheets, unfortunate stains, dealing with tattoos, Rom’s heart-warming experience in a Rwandan milk bar and some unfortunate vegan abuse. Then we answer a few of your email questions - this time about dealing with a toxic parent and bad public toilet etiquette. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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expect killings Red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive in it The death bringing its head spinning Just kidding Every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog the Let's see. What are you doing? I'll tell you what phones can be pretty exciting. Here we go. You just touch them and just a fucking a podcast on the podcast coming up. It's a rival. Do you believe that when you're talking about stuff that comes up on your phone?

Yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell you that. Yeah. I think without a doubt is it's happened quite a lot. I was worried that you know, when I'm doing this to podcast, I look at myself with these earphones on. I look like you're Darth Vader at the end of the Star Wars films. What, when the mask comes off? Yeah. How dare you?

That's right. You look great. I've been worried about it. You don't look anything like him. He wasn't wearing headphones. We've got three conversations going on at the same time. Where are we at? The sound quality. I'm in a hotel room in Saunton.

I'm not too sure what the sound quality is going to be like. So I'm, I'm worried. I'm worried. Based on what I can hear, um, it's very much an AM radio experience. I bought a microphone. I've got a portable microphone. That's like a nice, really? Well, it's not, it doesn't do shit.

It's just, it's in top it doesn't do shit. It just doesn't think up what's broken. Just won't. I mean, it's been in a box, taking it out of the box plugged in. Why don't do anything. How come she bought away? How come she didn't adjust my needs already? Because I don't have a hotel. What?

Hmm. So the long story, long story. I'm going, I'm doing my radio show for Manchester tomorrow. So I'm not staying in Leeds tonight and going straight to Manchester after. These are all things we should talk about off the podcast really. But the point is, it's nice to know what you're up to and what you're doing bro. Yeah. This is my new addiction. What is it?

Is that VR? VR. Is it one of those Oculus things? What is that? It's VR. There's one of these games things? What is that? It's VR. There's one of these games, there's a game on it called Beat Saber. Right? Just sort of like Guitar Hero.

You're holding two like lightsabers and then these things come towards you. You've got to hit them in time to the beat. My God. I mean, it is, I've become addicted. Like horrendously addicted. The only issue is I keep playing it in the dressing room. And people are coming in and then I finish a game and like horrendously addicted. The only issue is I keep playing it in the dressing room and people are coming in and then I finish a game and I lift the goggles and there's like three people just pissing themselves at what I've just been doing.

So there's a little bit of paranoia there, but oh my God, I'm so addicted to it, man. Is it, is it, um, are you good at it? Have you got a flavor to it? I don't know. I'm really good. I mean, this is really sad, but I started watching YouTube videos of people that are really good at it. I mean, do you know, I watch YouTube videos and fucking TikTok videos of gangs that I've done, like Redemption and FIFA and I don't even got a console anymore.

Why don't you have a console anymore? You know, a lot of it was down to Catherine catching me on something. This is like as close as I left her to sort like to catch me with like another woman or anything, but she caught me playing FIFA when I wasn't supposed to. Like, well, I said, I was cleaning up stairs. I've never heard of upstairs. And she came out when I was having a quick game of safer. And I was like, so what do you think? Pathetic.

Um, and she was just, I think she, I think she thought she just couldn't get her head around why it's been squashed so long. I think I was obsessed with it. I have a problem with stuff. the people, people wanting to come to talk to me, they're walking to the restroom about the show and then I'm in the middle of a game, I'm getting emotional. Jesus. I'm in the middle of a game and then they just walk out. So I guess it is in a way. But the premise is just so like you can't see shit or hear anything. Yeah. So it's a bit of a struggle.

Yeah, that's one thing about faith. You've got your personal vision and you can, you can, yeah. If you're being sneaky, you can, yeah, you can. Yeah. One of my issues is going upstairs when I've been sort of asked to do something, I'm supposed to be doing something. And then I just sit on the bed and look at my phone and then Lisa, I'm very guilty of sitting on my bed and looking at my phone, not deliberately, it just

sort of happens, I think, Oh, let me just have a quick look and then time passes. And then Lisa comes upstairs going, have you managed to do that? And then she can hear the scurry of a panicked man sort of trying to pretend that he's been completely retarded the entire time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really sad. It's more difficult to put some fucking underpants and cut t-shirts away. By the way, we never found out, are your t-shirts still hanging up or are you sort of rolling them yet?

Um, okay. Well, JT, if you can add a stick in a little drum roll here. the the Also, oh my god, you know Catherine's got and she quite enjoys the art. Well, there's something therapeutic about it Yeah, don't deny that it's by when I was young by you saw the first close crease that provide Mmm, the sad thing is is that I don't really like ironing me if they brought out a game on the oculus that required you to I Be addicted to oh shit. Well, these the lights in this room emotion activated So I have to keep doing because we you sitting there in the dark quite crazy. Well, these the lights in this room emotion activated stuff to keep doing this because we you sit in there in the dark quite crazy. What's the face tonight? And let you tell how you feel it for it. All right, man. It's like Martin Tishman with you tonight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he's around there somewhere. But yeah, it's good. It's good. It's like sort of the rooms like in the round. Oh, good. It's like sort of the rooms, like in the round, it almost like the audience sort of is, it's really mad. It's like a bowl. Oh, wow. I'm interested to see how it plays. But, um, I'm really over the very, very small scale.

Taunton has a sort of whole shoe, like Taunton. Yeah. That's what it's like. It's a whole shoe. What I like is you're finishing your tour with absolutely smashing massive arenas. I'm finishing mine in, there's nothing wrong with that, the audience last night was amazing, I'm sure it's going to be incredible. But surely the show evolves, your show evolves to be played in front of more people, right?

It's quite weird to take it back to almost being quite small again. Well, well, Tom, what I would say in response to that is, you want it, you are I would accuse you of being guilty of your diamond shoes being too tight, because the fact of the matter is, is it's all sold loads more than anyone anticipated. As you've had to put in loads of extra dates. So I'm sorry it hasn't. I'm sorry the unexpected extra dates

because your popularity haven't been sequenced correctly. No, no, no, no. There is just the strange thing. I was like, I thought I don't know., I've, I've, I've, I've, I've got a cold. I can't shift. Oh, I know you do bless your heart. Yeah. And there's been a lot of love for the Vicks.

Um, uh, but, um, yeah, I looked at the poll. Have you seen the poll on the wall for now? JT put up a poll. I think it's 90, 10. So as people have heard of VIX. Oh cool. That's good. Which is actually lower than I thought in terms of ratio. But yeah, I found it very tricky. I felt so rough. I felt like I was cutting

the seconds off every bit of it. I just don't feel like, but then you can't pull a show for being ill, can you? So you've got a kind of- We can, you can. But I think pulling it with a slight head cold. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the look. I just, I think, I think it would have been very on brand for you to just go on with a bowl of Vicks and water.

Just something that I know. What are you doing now? What are you doing now? I've just got Vicks without the hot water with a hotel. Are you in a hotel that doesn't have hot water? I'm in a hotel. Can I just say one of the bug bears I have and stay in their lot of hotels. Well, it really grinds my gears.

He's a grumpy, the old grumpy bears, right? As I said, again, for a second, consecutive episode. Why the freak, right? As, uh, what's going on? Has somebody told you about your swearing? Yeah. I had a message. Um,

well, he means business. Why the freak? Uh, um, why the freak, right? Uh, right? Yeah. What do they do? They in the beds? What do you mean at the bottom? I hate it. I'm like, so frigging annoying. No, no one is in the history of humankind as a man like that vibe. Oh my God. Why the Frig would they do that? You, you sniffy little Frigga. You're an absolute Frigga. Oh, don't start getting at me you dirty little mother Frigga. Um, what I would say is, um, I quite like, um, digging my

feet in and sort of undoing it. Or when I get into bed. Yeah. I feel like a little kid. He's actually an exercise that I need before I, I like to do. I like to have a sleepy day. I like to sort of like, you know, get a little kid. I feel like it's exercise I don't need before I go to bed. I like to have a sleepy day. I like to sort of like, you know, get a little bit of lavender flowing. I don't know, just slip into bed gently and softly.

I don't need to be softly. Pulling a do-va out of each and every orifice. Do you know what I mean? No, that's fair enough. And also I feel so sorry for the maids that have got to do it. I'm like, why? You know, like they're just easy. Just maybe on the first night it should be like that and tucked. You know, like it just easy, just maybe on the first night

it should be like that and tucked and the second night it should just just lay it across the top. Or you know how I love it most is where it's folded back. Oh, lovely. I love it when it's folded back. It's such a sweet sweet feeling. I had a bit of an incident in a hotel a couple of days ago where Dennis, Dennis Fernandez on Sam, he gave me some Vego, I think it's pronounced Vego, vegan chocolate, plant-based chocolate and I was eating it in bed and was sort of lying on the bed and then I looked down and where I'd sort of like some bits had fallen off and I sort of leant across it. It looked like I had sort of shat on the bed a little bit. So, um, I would say like a thick smear. I guess like the better, if I was somebody cleaning the room, I'd assume

that the, that a fold had got inside the crevice and then there was a bit of drag, you know what I mean? So immediately I panicked because I thought, don't, I mean, I don't want this. And so I got a flannel that was started to clean it up. I couldn't really get all of it out. I feel like how I left it was it looked like somebody had wiped their ass on it and then tried to clean it up afterwards. So, uh, I sort of feel like I can't go back to the hotel. Don't go back and go, uh, oh god, room like 77, there's a big skid mark in the bed.

And then someone goes, well, put it as well as Frank and Ethan's room. You ever worry about that? Yeah, what I'm now worried about too, actually, is that people listening will think that I did skid mark on the bed. And I thought it would come out. So I've invented this chocolate store

in order to like some sort of elaborate cover-up. Yeah, but because you know, for example, the maids aren't going to touch it and sniff it. They're just going to see a skid mark on the bed and assume it's a skid mark. Well, I did contemplate getting a notepad and writing, this isn't a skid mark, but I thought that's exactly what somebody who's left a skid mark would say. Exactly what a skid marker would say.

There's no doubt in my mind now. What, where was the hotel? Uh, I think it was Cardiff. Oh man. Yeah. I think Cardiff. There's no doubt. There's, there's a little like little like yeah and gaggle of my.

Who are you leaving skipbox in your bed. I will you know what can you do anyway speaking of veganism why are you talking about something why are you just sort of this. Tell me a story about the makeup artist and so right there's makeup artist I know, she's made a lot of makeup artists, incredible, she does a lot of films and she's doing a big film and as a part of her role, this actor has to have like a tattoo on his butt, right? It's quite like detailed tattoo that she's got to do. So she's doing this tattoo on this guy's bum and she's got to get quite close to his bum to sort of like draw the tattoo and what's that.

And as she's doing it, she's sort of like this, really sort of putting in the guy's phone rings. So he bends down to pick his phone at the table. And he bends down. Oh no. Her nose goes right up his ass. And he doesn't feel it at all. He doesn't even listen to, he stands back up and then he's on the

side and she's smiling and going, sorry. I know that he might have felt in his ass. If you're stood with your ass out in front of somebody bending over is a, it's a, that is a mad decision. Yeah. It's a big, it's a big move. It's a big move. Yeah. But if she's not done every day, it's like your ass has become friends with the person in a way. You know what I mean? You probably forget that it's even been done. Has anyone had tattoos that like paint me on a job?

No, I just have to have them covered up. Yeah. I had a whole shell call on a job. I had the whole, uh, she's got that one that goes up her leg, up her thigh, on into her back, her bum. I had like, I had to have that on the job once. The mad, the maddest one was when I did King Gary, when we were doing, uh, Gary stag do at the swimming pool, weren't we? Yeah. It's when Stuart, yeah, she was like cutting loose and becoming the

absolute Donnie of the stag. And so I was like jumping into the pool. And then what would happen is that after me, as soon as I come out of the pool and James said, cut, let's drag me over to this reapplication area. That's a lot of cover up. It was such a, you'd have to jump in and put, we didn't realize you had quite some of it. I think when we first met right there, you weren't quite as edgy and you sort

of like the tattoos and sort of like. I did have the, okay. All right. Okay. First of all, I'm not, I'm not edgy. Second of all, I don't think tattoos makes you edgy. Third of all, one of the saddest things I realized when it was when I did a first series and I was on league and Jamie read that, which he cracked me in the

face by accident and I split my had to have stitches in my eyebrow. I mean, I turned up to set and I was like, I'm going to have to have these for the whole, like, you know, I think it's like the day before I started filming on King Gary, but then you and James went, Mr. Stewart's sort of twat, there was something like that happened to him, wasn't there? So I think it works. We didn't, we didn't even reference it because you saw our students, the sort

of guy that split his eyebrow open being a, being a stupid, uncoordinated dick ears. I don't think anyone would even question that. You thought also we didn't want to make you feel bad. That was a big one. If you know that, you know, we didn't want you to be like, oh, fuck, I've got it. There was this awkward situation where the stitches got removed and then they had to apply stitches to the rest of the shape. Well, you said I think it is a must we speak. We used to buy sweets. So, well, I'm getting a lot of shit online at the moment.

Why currently as we speak, because you know, the RANDR episode of misadventures. Yeah. So there's a, there's a cult. line at the moment currently as we speak, because you know, the Rwanda episode of misadventures. So there's a cult. My mum texted me about it saying how amazing it was and how like how amazing she found it and how beautiful it was. Oh, that's very nice. Please tell her I said thank you. Actually I'll just text her. Just talk around, she doesn't see. I think she's coming tonight actually. But one of the cultural things in Rwanda is that if you share milk, you're friends forever.

Right. That's got to be a nice thing. I like that. Right. So they have milk bars in Rwanda. Right. So EPO, who's the guy that, um, was my co-host for the show. He said, if we drink milk together, we friends forever.

Obviously I'm vegan. So I agreed to have a sip of milk, but then for the rest of it, I drank almond milk. So anyway, I'd sit this milk, he was going to drink it anyway, but he sip the milk. I sip the milk and then he said we're brothers. You know, it was a real nice moment. Anyway, that show's gone out now. And my mentions are just people are saying boycott Ramesh Ranganathan. There's some guy saying get ready for the torrent of abuse that's coming your way.

Like it's fucking wild. But now in full disclosure, when it happened, I knew that that was going to happen. I said to the production team, when this goes out, I am going to get shit from people that find it offensive. Why are you so angry about that though? Oh mate, I mean, listen, I don't want to, I don't want to, and I don't want to cause any offense, but, but like, how, like that's them doing that. She knew your thing.

Why you've done that thing. Why are they then, right? That's not, there's no slight on them or you're not like beacon of fucking veganism, like, you know, veganism was long around long before you were ever here and it will be long here long after you're gone. Why, why the fuck does, why does it matter that you've had a little bit of milk to make people so verbally angry? I don't know, because the thing that well, the truth is, you know, if I'm presenting both sides of the argument, they are seeing somebody that has openly said that he's vegan, going against what their principles are to drink some milk.

And that I understand. I do get it. But my counter argument to that is that I have not claimed to be a representative. I'm just doing what I think is the right thing to do. And in that moment, I've got a real bond with EPO. It was a tiny sip that he was going to drink anyway. And I thought in the moment, and for right or wrong, I thought it was the right thing to do. And in that moment, I'd got a real bond with Epo. It was a tiny sip that he was going to drink anyway. And I thought in the moment, and right or wrong, I thought it was the right thing to do. Right? In addition to that, the thing that I find really mad is like they get very annoyed because I'm saying I'm vegan, but then I'm doing that. But he drank loads of milk. And like I've

been on Robin Romish versus where he's eating loads of meat. And like, so you can see all these people drinking milk, eating meat and eating cheese, but because I've said that that is my lifestyle, they just get really fucking angry. Do you know what I mean? But what I would say is I think it's actually quite that I do think it is damaging for the vegan cause or whatever you want to call it, because people that aren't vegan are seeing that level of kind of, uh, aggression. And I don't think that is going to encourage them to come on board or even consider it.

Because I just think it's so front footed and aggressive. And I understand why it can be because you feel so passionate about it, but I just feel there needs to be a bit more of an open arms policy. So that kind of, that, that way of thinking. Yeah, but, but their argument is as always that they are really, they find it a boron. I get it. No, no, but I just, I'm just by the way, because I don't want to, like, I, you know, I completely respect anyone who's life choice and life choice. If you're vegan, I completely respect that. My mom's a vegan, my dad's a vegetarian, Catherine's a vegetarian, Gracie's being brought up as

the best vegetarian. I respect anyone who makes that life choice. I think that's fine. What I don't ever respect in any level is the thing of, there's no difference from, I can't remember what tournament it was. I was talking, going about a French team and then I've said Oh, yeah about another football team in an English tournament in Grimmin I'm gonna know the shit from England fans who thought that I was stepping out of line and I should be just supporting

But I was married didn't support the other team. It was just me. So yeah, they played with their play great football They look amazing. Don't know and I've got a real fucking town at the same thing from they look amazing and I've got a real **** **** the same thing from where I was when I've said that Arsenal were playing but whatever right but I said and I'm getting access to tribal that's football football fans have always been held accountable for that sort of behaviour and if anything they get probably chastised too much at times but see like the veganism thing and like the way I've seen I'm probably I've got a naive view towards it but I think my point being yeah it's like with veganism I just think yeah it falls into that thing and just to just chastise someone and not be able to see and it's yeah I mean I don't know maybe it's because you're a

figurehead of veganism. I think that's what it is but like look if anybody was offended by what I did I'm sorry that you're offended, but I probably would do it again if the situation arose again. But what I would say is I feel like the reaction has been from some people. But now, to put it into full context, there have been some people, and this is the main reason I mention this, who have stuck up for me and said, I don't think this is the right way to go about things. And I do want to say thank you so much to them. I expected the abuse, to be honest, and I did say to production, I said, I'm probably going to get some shit for this.

What I didn't expect was people to support. And actually, it was a really heartwarming thing. I don't want to get too earnest, but I've got to say people just going Romesh is obviously trying to do the right thing in the circumstances. And I think this is the wrong battle to pick and stuff like that. And whether you agree with them or not, it was nice to see Pete and they got some shit as well off the back of it. Like these people came back at them and said, like, you don't know what you're on about. And so thank you. I just want to say thank you to those people that stuck up for me. It really meant a lot. So anyway, so it's sort of like indicative of what the social media is though. Mate, it's wild, man.

It's so aggressive though. It's weird. It's weird though. Cause we also in an era theoretically where we are more aware of the implication for mental health than we ever have been. But yeah, if you go in onto social media, it's a fucking wasteland. Do you know what I mean? I mean, it's also, it's like this thing of like, it's, it's feels like

discussion has been lost. I know we talked about this a bit last week, but it's like, it just feels like my whole thing, and this is to make it quite clear. So I'm not, you know, I've got two or three, but my sort of session, the key, key time I'm obsessed with the thought that eating meat is king. Right. Um, and that's the only way to look at life. You're almost a mug. If you like, they don't eat any vegetables. Yeah. And I'm, that is not a healthy way to just proven it's not healthy. You're really, you can't just sustain a

healthy diet, living off, you know, and that's what I've read about it. I've spoken to people about it. It can be quite bad for you long term, the long term effects of it. Yeah. Um, but then I'm like, look, but if you want to do that, do that, that's cool. Go for it. Do you mean they won't discuss this? And if you bring it up in the anger and the sort of, you know, unless that's, that's a worry, I think when you come to like the situation in society, we can't

even discuss things and you know, the know the front foot of like being that aggressive to sort of someone like yourself where like you're going, you're spitting that kind of venom. You sort of go, I'm quite disappointed by that. Or just thinking, well you know what, I'm still vegan, I'm quite proud to be a vegan, yeah he's done this but that's not on me, do you know what I mean? Why do people feel the need to spit that venom I don't know man. Yeah I know but what can you do what can you do? Right do you want to see some emails? Let's do it baby. This is from the anxious Axelotl.

Wow. You're not Axelotl are those little? Yeah. Long time listener but in a short time period I've been binging for the last week and a first time caller. First off thank you for making me laugh as much as I haven't for A long time listener, but in a short time period, I've been binging for the last week and a half. First time caller. First off, thank you for making me laugh as much as I haven't. For Kimby Company, one of my man is at work.

Now to bring the mood down slightly. I'm a young 43 year old woman and I've suffered with depression, anxiety for most of my adult life. I've recently started therapy, which is hard, but I need to do it if I want to get better. That's true. And I hope that's helping you. My question is, how would you deal with a toxic parent? It's becoming more and more apparent that my mother

is at the root of most of my issues. Friends need to say I need to cut her out of my life, but I don't think I can. To me, there are too many consequences. What would you guys do? Many thanks, the anxious, and the axolotl. It's slightly tricky without the details, but Tom, what do you think? Yeah. I think any interest, what we're just talking about now with, uh, yeah, mom, which is interesting. I think if there's any sort of toxic to city in life and, and, and, and well, that comes from siblings or comes from parents or comes from friends.

I think it has such a bearing on your, your day to day life. I don't want to step into a place where I'm talking about any last experience. I saw myself a few years ago with some people that I'd surrounded myself with being quite toxic and people who I'd counted and seen those people that I was sort of were close friends. Yeah, just becoming quite distasteful and quite their moral compass became quite sort of low and things that their actions are just I thought like people were sort of doing quite horrible things without any sort of sense of repercussion or any sense of sort of like, your empathy, I sort of decided to sort of put a lot of those people out of my life. So they're people, it wasn't an easy thing because they're people I might have, you know, I've been friends with from, from the age of a very young age,

my early teens. But like, I realized what a bearing that was actually having on my mental health and what a bearing that was having on my day to day life. And I don't mean to say that as a sort of, because I do think when it comes to things, it's very easy to, you know, it's very easy to sort of just look at life and go, oh, let's just do that. Oh, that's how they are. And when people, when people's toxic behavior has an implication on how your day to day life is, I think you've got to, you've got to make quite big decisions. So in that, I've never been in a situation with a parent or a family member as such, and I realise quite how hard that is.

I'm sure you're talking to therapists, but I do think in talking how you are, and again I need to be careful because I don't want to overstep a mark, but I do think that sometimes conversation with people who have some of these traits is almost impossible. It's almost like you can't get through as much as you try. You can't make them see sense into what you think is the problem. And I think that it can become very wear and it can be very tiring and it can just absolutely batter your mental well-being. So I think when it comes to it, I wouldn't be as, I can't sit here and say cut them out

of your life. I'd say speak to your therapist, I think speak to your husband, speak to people around you and I'd say that try to have a conversation with them, let them know how you feel. But if that doesn't come through, then it sort of leaves you no choice. And speaking of someone who now sits here, actually feeling a bit of a sense of relief from letting a lot of that go. So I didn't realize what it was doing to my headspace, what it was doing to my psyche and letting those people go and leave my life has now made me in a far happier place.

So I really wish you well. I hope that in whatever way that this turns out that you can find some sort of happiness and you can grow from there. Romsky. I agree with what Tom's saying. The slight complication in this is that you're talking about a parent and you've got a situation where if you cut them out of your life, I mean, I don't know how toxic this person's been. If you cut them out of your life, you are bringing an end to a relationship that is like, you know, one of the closest relationships you can have in your life. Depending on how toxic they are,

it's possible that you can have a conversation with them. If that feels beyond the realms of kind of feasible, then I would, I think you need to look, I don't, I think cutting someone off or cutting someone out of your life. I know what Tom talked about it with his friends. I think that's a bit different, but cutting a relative out of your life, particularly your mother is a tricky one. What I would say is there is no right and wrong answer. I think hopefully therapy can get you in a place where you compartmentalize

the toxicity of what your mom's doing. And you're able to sort of go, I can have a relationship with my mom without what she's doing, having an impact on my mental health. And I think maybe try that. And then if that doesn't work, then you've got to think about more extreme options or at least kind of keeping in touch, but limiting your contact. But, you know, I am not qualified, neither of us are qualified to give you a concrete answer on that, but I think it's sort of all up in the air.

I think it's the balance between doing what's best for you. Well, it's just about doing what's best for you. And the fact of the matter is doing what's best for you might be keeping in touch, but at an arm's length. Do you know what I mean? So look, good luck with it. That sounds really, really hard. And good luck with the depression and anxiety and well done for getting help. It's a really thing you've done. Okay, next email. Now this is quite, I don't know how you're going to react to this. Okay, this is from the pissy python. The plathons pitch the snakes pitch how do they pitch? They do. I'm pretty sure they do. Because, yeah, it's like a little drank themselves through it afterwards. Is that underneath them on top of them?

Well, that's it. That's honest. I need to Google this. Do you really got a demeanor to piss the piss and drag you back off for it? Well, I mean, it's no different from sort of being in a pub toilet with a pair of shorts on, isn't it? You're not in shorts on and then drag yourself on the floor after you pissed on the floor. Well, essentially you are. I mean, the sprayback, both from yourself and from others. Absolutely appalling. That's why I hate you, Rhino. I'm fucking so into you, Rhino. I'm so over it.

Because there was a time when you were like really intimate, like it's all you were talking about. You sat quite out in the chair, you know, by the way, I was in some services not so long ago. I went for a piss in the services. Uh, it was, we're coming home, I think I was with Jim. I went for a piss at your Rhinos, uh, and a guy stood next to me and there was like 12 of your Rhinos and I'm using one of them.

There's no one else at any of the others. And this guy stands right next to me. And he went, Oh, I didn't expect to see you here this time and I was like what yeah and I was like well yeah I'm just coming back from a gig and he went huh yeah shock that is I went down my wife and we just stood there in silence next to each other you aren't us sort of finished up and sort of walked away and washed my hands he left without washing washing his hands. And then sort of as I walked out, he's with a couple of mates, he went, Oh mate, yeah, I was just saying you were here. That's a strange scenario. He's been right next to me. It was like 12 year idols.

I would say I was on like Bay fucking six. He stood in base. Yeah. I haven't really got an answer for you. They don't pee. Not really. Snakes do not produce urine like mammals do. They produce urate, which is excreted with the I'll see that's all right. That's okay. I was worried then. Yeah. But yeah, tissues, tissues will sometimes prolapse through this opening. That's interesting. Oh, it's very near the tip. I've got a diagram looking at cloaca right now. All right. Yes. Um, very near the end. I think you've got issues.

Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. Well, that's all that's all about. Okay. First time email. Okay. We haven't even fucking started the email yet. Okay. First time email. Okay. First time email. Okay. First time email. Okay. First time email. Okay. Well, that's all that's sort of that. Okay. First time email. Okay. We haven't even started the email yet. Okay. First time email. But today reminded me why the fuck this is quite an angry email. Why the fuck can't UK citizens perform common etiquette

and public restrooms? Maybe it's a global crisis, but I don't travel frequently enough to comment. What is it about being public? That means people forget how to flush not show me the entire world down the park piss everywhere i'm not even perform for former courtesy white or even consider washing their hands. Can't help but feel the summer so his greatest flaws can be on that was a harsh educational lessons and i'll be a decent human. You're sincerely pissy python. What i think i see this yeah I've never emailed into this podcast But if I was that pretty much we would have been going a little bit No, I see our toilet is slightly unfair to say it's all UK citizens No, no, we you can see some people treat toilet like can I just say that they again?

Yeah, because we've got a service station toilet So this is nothing to do with people who run service stations can work fucking hard and people are clean They were fearful for the way that people leave those places is absolutely disgusting He's like literally like There's nothing I think one of the lowest moments is if it's like midnight and you're fucking on about five hour journey back from a gig, right And you go into you know, you said I was site, it's a service site, you need a crap, right? And you go into all the fucking stalls, and each one of them's got a different... It's like some sort of, I'm a celebrity, every one of them's got some sort of dick.

One's got shit smeared up on the fucking seat, another one's just... I know, I love it. One's just got piss all over his seat, the other one's just got piss all over the floor, someone's taking his shit on the floor. And by the end of it, you're you know what is wrong with sucking people is that the sky then you see a poor sorry soul you some boys literally just walked in and he's got to spend his next two hours cleaning that stuff you're like sure why why he's done what point do you sort of think that that's acceptable and then by the way like I

don't know I've never I can't say me a ladies toilets Yeah, since I was probably a baby but like men's toilets that that Matt's aren't you walk into somewhere a nice pair of shoes and there's just hits all over the floor You think like it's a pretty simple task. It's a fucking pretty simple task Look, you know, you put your penis out and it's not a fucking tricky target you know, you pull your penis out and it's not a fucking tricky target. The amount of time you just see a fucking load of piss around like, and also it's like, Five times. Yeah. And what sort of, what's your toilet etiquette like? Why are you getting, now what's happening here is I'm just sitting here listening to you

and you're obviously getting worked up about it. Now you're looking for somewhere to direct your anger. I saw you, saw the way you looked at me. There was like, I'll stare in a, you were a pub. What's your, what's your fucking, I bet you piss all over the floor. Don't you fucking wake up. I know what you're like. You're a rascal. I've seen you go to the bathroom.

You're always first out and first in. I will say that like me and you have been to service. So it's a little bit. If I'm first in, obviously I'm going to be first unless I'm taking long. It was, I'm taking longer. I'm first in last. You're a star in, You're a scurry when you scurry in, right? You scurry in like you're a fucking spy just sort of sneaking into a fucking... Jokes are supposed to be fundamentally based in some truth.

Are you saying you don't scurry into toilets? Do I scurry into toilets? I've never seen you languidly chill just walking into a toilet like that. Oh, I'll probably think that's probably a fair accusation actually. Mostly because I don't sort of take the piss on the off chance. I only really go if I have to. Is he meant to? Right. And that normally means I'm in trouble.

Have you ever pissed on the floor in a service station? I can't categorically say I've never... What do you mean by pissed on the floor? Are you asking me if any of my piss has ever gone on the floor? No, I'm saying that as you have you gone to aim, you know, you've pitched a bit. No, no, no. You sure? I mean, I'm sure it's happened once. I wouldn't say, I mean, are you telling me you've never had none of your, there is no service station in the world that has been christened with some of your piss? Is that what you're saying?

I mean, a couple of gypsies are finished, maybe. And I'm sort of like putting it back station in the world that has been christened this summer, your pisses. How are you saying? I mean, kind of gypsies are finished. Maybe I'm sort of like putting it back into my trousers. And most, why are you suddenly talking to me? Like you're a pro urinator and I'm some sort of fucking amateur doesn't know what it's doing. I'm saying, like you, you can be a little bit hasty with your way in, you see what you're basing this on.

What are you basing this on? I'm basically on a, I I've known some facts, right? We've been in the tournament together. Well, I've gone from what I think, like, you're like, I'm fucking, I'm done for a piss, man. I'm done for a fucking slash. Right? 38 minutes. 38 minutes in.

Okay, go on. I love it. You sprint in, we sprint in together, right? And you are so... So we're both sprinting? Yeah, we're both quite in a rush, but I will... Okay. We get in at the same time.

I will guarantee you at the same time. I will guarantee you're done before me. OK, is that what is that? A brag? So what are you suggesting? What's not to say that I sometimes think you're getting out and you're like, you've got like a Tommy gun effect to you. You're urinating. Well, is it possible you're like, you know, you're a bigger man than me. Aren't you? Yeah.

Isn't it feasible that your blood is larger than mine? It's not like I'm a cow and I've got two bladders. Well, I don't think a cow's got two bladders either. It's got four stomachs, right? Yeah, but yeah, it doesn't all go up proportionally. It's not multiplication tables. Have you ever seen a cow piss? Have you ever seen a cow piss?

Yes, I have actually. Yeah, and a horse. A horse with it wheezes disgusting. Like, what do you mean? Dushing. Yeah, because it's like, it's pissing, isn't it? What the sky like, what do you mean? Just, yeah, because it's a pissing, isn't it? What's your day today? I envy a horse when it we sometimes I look at a big

fire. I'm just that level of power. I had to clean a horse's dick once. Why? What's the TV show? Yeah. Do you remember? It was ITV to we all the song. Um, it was ITV to, uh, we're the song. I was doing agent provocateur. Yeah. I worked on a ranch.

My cousin and I went out and worked on a ranch and one of the things they've got to do is check the horse's dick for like scabs. What's it like? Smedma smegma and just sort of general detritus. So I did that. So what did you, how long were you there doing it? Well, apparently it takes about two minutes, but I spent about an hour. I wanted to make sure I'd done a proper job.

I'm not so many responses, but I'm just shutting my mouth. I'm not saying anything. That's all I did. Um, I, uh, it was only like a few minutes, like maybe a minute or something like that. Just sort of checking around the area, make sure it was all right and then taking off anything that I found. Cause it gets sort of like, yeah, like slives and bits of debris on it. And matted grass and stuff like that.

Do you ever think like, with animals, like why haven't we got them wearing pants? Cause it's so dignified. Like, their buttholes. I don't know if it's, is it, what's it, yeah, but I don't know. It's like, you see, when you say it like that, right? You think the elements are just out there to get on a horse's penis, right? Bees and flies when it's riding really quickly. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and with, I suppose with a dog, right, a dog's got, it's like a little, like a sheep, it's got a pocket to put his, where do you work? Essentially. Right.

With a horse and stuff like that, but it's just put pocket to put his wedding work essentially. Right. With a horse and stuff like that. It's pretty such, such a poorly informed discussion. Yeah. So dog can put it, you can put it away in its cock shape. All right. But you know, we were all, so yeah, go on, Tom. Look, you said, I'm writing this sprint and horse.

No one runs more. No animal runs more than the horse. Right. What's yours? Sprint about that's in their nature. Right. You're going to get bugs and stuff. I can't challenge everything, but yeah, go on. Right.

The horses run more than any other animal. No, no. I'm running around bushes and stuff. Right. Through bushes and through long grass. Right. So you can see your willies out there. Why do we put like... The willies out there when they're walking as well. It doesn't just come out when they're running. Yeah out there when they're walking as well. It doesn't just come out when they're running.

But when you walk in, you get that. Yeah. But you're not going to get so much stuff hitting you when even you're like, I'll guarantee you that. Right. So I have a walk around naked. Right. And see what's on your willy at the end of it is have a run around after minutes and say, if you're walking through the long grass, right.

You're taking the same route, both running and walking. Okay. Yeah. the Right. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm saying is, is it not unfair on us? Because we're keeping these all sorts of stats, not to sort of go, all right, yeah, I'm taking like, you know, Bobby for a run. I'm sick about that. So then, yeah, it's not fair for his willing to be out there any elements. You know, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming there's other issues involved. I mean, you know, they're supposed to be naked, aren't they? Yeah, but for some of we, I mean, we, you know, yeah, we just, that's the way we should go. Yeah. But then if you look at, you know, these, you know, that's causing us issues as

well, isn't it? Apparently shoes are a mistake. Yeah. I mean, I've been reading about that as well. You said that sort of like shoes that sort of a woman nature, these barefoot shows getting big now. I know. Yeah.

I mean, you know, these are wide, these wide barefoot shoes. Yeah. I saw a guy the other day was wearing them. He's working on a show and I said to him, do you wear those all the time? And he said, yeah, because I've flipped to those now you can't go back. Wow. Cause your feet like kind of spread really becomes sort of, I mean, I'm he, this is what he told me. the I only a few, I think I've met two people that do it. Yeah. We were once with a guy who, um, who was obsessed with these sorts of shoes. And so did he wear barefoot shoes on the stack?

Yeah. And, and, yeah, I've got to say he was sort of probably, you know, probably the most avoided person on the whole stack. Cause that's all he talks about. Surprised me on a staked it on the staked it, you're at somebody that's doing something a bit different. It's getting ridiculed and humiliated and ostracized. That's unusual.

the and There's something rubbish about how I've got more vegans, I keep loving him there. It's weird, is it? Yeah, you do think more people ever jump onto that thing. Well, look, maybe we should try it out. But if we do try it out, I think- You look at that banister, it's just a waste of time. Yeah. All right, look, we've got to wrap up because I've got to go sound check. Oh, you're starting, bro.

So Tom, do you feel up for doing a little- Yeah. Do you feel up for it? Yeah. Okay, exciting, bro. Um, so Tom, do you feel up for doing a little? Yeah. Do you feel up for it? Yeah. Okay. Go for it. Bob Collins was the luckiest fairy in town. He's fly about all day, just sprinkling people with magic dust,

leather jeans and ambitions run wild. When they have a Bob sap on a little toadstool. He's thinking to himself all that magic dust that I've spread around. I've never spread any on myself. I've never had that feeling of magic that alleviates and make people feel good and decent. Magic. And from out of nowhere a toad jumped upon the toadstool. Bob thought, hmm, I've never seen that before, a toad on a toadstool. I must move it to tell my family. But the toad turned to Bob and said, Bob, you see, you're sad, what is it? He said, well, you know, I've had all this magic dust and I've never been able to sprinkle any magic dust on myself.

Thus I've never known what it is to feel magic. And the toad said to him and said, well you know that's a funny thing for a toad sitting on a toadstool because this is the first time I've sat on one. I've often watched people sitting on toadstools and thought I've never sat on a toadstool before but here I am. The truth of the matter is Bob, every day when you leave your den, you fly around and you sprinkle magic dust. That magic that you're sprinkling is magic in itself because you're spreading magic, making other people happier. And sometimes that's the thing in life.

It's easy to turn around and see other people smile. It's easy to hear other people laugh when you're not laughing yourself. And it's easy to feel like you're not getting any magic in your direction but the truth of the matter is maybe it is you they're laughing at maybe it's you that they're smiling at maybe you falling up some stairs and cutting your knee on some escalators is a thing that makes someone else's day so sometimes just take stock remember you might be the fairy hand in our fairy dust or the toad sitting on a to on a tone store wondering why they call it a toast or when they even sat on one.

Well, really, really nice, really nice. Thank you, bro. JT, could you do me a favor and play us out? I'm going to do the first thing first time I've done this. Robert, I'd love your opinions on this song. It's the new Eminem tune Houdini that everyone's going on going on about. It's been very generationally divisive. So I'd love to know from our listeners, the animal pack, first of all, what do you think of this song? Do you think Eminem's back to form? And do you think the lyrics are offensive? I'd love you to, and does that matter? I'd love you

to let us know. Ramesh, I was about to give my radio to email address, wallfowl.gmail.com. us know Romesh Romesh. I was about to give my radio to email address. Wolf, our product, gmail.com. Uh, guys, thank you so much for listening. It's also on clouds of you and videos of you dancing to the track and we can put them together and, you know, JV can make this sort of thing and edit together and sort of meet and we'll just be sort of like BBN dance. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

Well, I look forward to that happening alongside all the other many projects that we've mooted on this podcast. Uh, thank you so much guys. Take care. Bye bye. God bless. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you.