Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 31: Friday Bonus & A Right Hotel Mess

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

It’s a Friday Bonus ting! First up, Rom reveals that he might have finally beaten his phone addiction - and then finds out from a listener’s email that he’s the reason for her pregnancy. It’s all go for the Owl this week. Then we answer questions on when’s then best time to reveal to friends that your having a baby, our most embarrassing hotel incidents, The Swan on Natalie Cassidy’s podcast, and how best to deal with the ‘all men’ stereotype. Plus, some exciting news about the Wolf & Owl sponsoring a non-league football team. Thanks for all your messages - keep them coming at [e-mail] Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, what you want? Beak or jaws? Feathers or fur? Sharp teeth or feet with claws? Whatever's preferred They'll grant you all ass requests to steady your nerves Then podcast a body parts, get severed and served Bring your weak shit, wear the wolf and owler That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing the murder like they're rolling with a gang of crows Fuck their censorship, let em see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear's a huff and puff and a...

Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive innit, the death bringing its head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog yo welcome to the world of confetti cannon's podcast hope you're good yo learn up your confetti cannon it's girl time how are oh tom just before we get into the emails which we're going to be focusing oh can i just say by the way what i love your hoodie i was just thinking a little like we just recorded the big app but that, but that's a nice was that fun It's a actually one of Martin's friends sab go gave it to me just a kid from Jeff a little

Sri Lankan flex if you're okay, that's amazing Sri Lankan. There's a well. There's a place in Southwark And I think in Southwark this week. I'm doing a And I think this week I'm doing a very amazing thing. We're doing like a thing with the Prince's Trust where we're getting young people into writing, which has been amazing. It's been lovely. Incredible. But there's a food market around the corner and there's a Sri Lankan guy that does amazing Sri Lankan curry.

It's a vibe, bro. Do you know the name of it? I can't remember the name, which is terrible, but I'll put it up on my Instagram on Friday when this comes out. I feel terrible, yeah. I'll just do a picture of me and him, baby, together. Tom, I think I have come close to breaking my phone addiction.

Wow, really? Do you remember a while ago I talked about making it black and white and all that shit? Yeah, you've tried everything. Tried everything. I now just put it away. And it's been a game changer, as I've said that I've looked at it.

But when I get home, I just dash it in a drawer. I told you to this ages ago. Well, I've started doing it now. When I'm out with Lisa, I get to put it in a handbag. I just don't have it on me, unless I need it. Oh my God. Life is so much, it's need it. Oh, my God. Life is so much. It's so much better.

Oh, my God. It's a it's across the bear is the phone. It weighs heavy upon yourself. Yeah, I may. You know what? I made a resolute thing. I was like, I spent too long in like, you know, and you're on tour, you're in the car.

I just scrolling through TikTok. And I just joke with Elliot or Gratzer on what am I doing? Your brother, me and your brother sat the other day. And your brother's someone I enjoy chatting to as I do with you. Just looking at shit. Just shit TikTok. What we do like, you're someone I enjoy his company. I'm like with two of us just sat here looking at fucking looking at some loser on TikTok. I'm like, what am I fucking doing? So yeah, I'm the same man. I fucking doing? And so, yeah, I'm the same, man.

I'm like, yeah. It's really good. It's good for your mind, it's good for your soul. It's just a good fucking vibe, man. It's a healthy thing. Obviously, keep your phone out if you're listening to the podcast, that's important. Yeah.

I mean, don't look at it, just listen. Yeah, just listen, yeah, okay. First email. Boom. Ramesh got me pregnant. It's a worrying it, just listen. Yeah, just listen. Yeah, okay. Yeah. First email. Boom. Ramesh got me pregnant. It's a worrying start, isn't it? That's the subject heading.

Wow. Do Wolf, Owl and the Swan. To set the scene, we're a year into our fertility journey and we were due to attend our first fertility appointment. I'd already been told that becoming pregnant would be difficult for me due to health reasons. We went to see Ramesh at the O2 and had a great night and after a sweet stay at the nearby Holiday Inn, we've just found out that we're pregnant.

We can't thank Ramesh enough. You're like an aphrodisiac. I can't think of anything about that show that would be an aphrodisiac. It's hype though, right? There's a lot of, yeah, I can see people coming out of it feeling. We can't thank Ramesh enough for making us relax and clearly

get us in the mood I think Martin's got to take some credit as well yeah I think if I was to choose between the two of us as who was to get people in the mood to make love to make sweet sweet love I'd say it's Martin Teespring not Romesh too rough our question is when's the right... don't call yourself that when you're talking about love making I can't feel like my grandad. Don't talk about that when you're talking about lovemaking. Oh, do you know what? Lovemaking when you're at our stage of our relationships. It becomes almost like... What's the best way to describe it?

Going for a long walk. It's something you know you should do. A lot of the time you're too tired to do it. Whenever you do do it you think I feel better for having done that and it was actually quite pleasant. Yeah, I'm not even going to try and top that because it's literally perfect. Anyway, our question is this, when's the right time to tell people our news? We're six weeks and we're very excited. We've told our mothers and group of close friends that knew about our fertility struggles. Our mothers have told us to keep to ourselves for now.

We want to share our excitement and don't want to go into the pregnancy with what if it goes wrong attitude. Thanks for the last one, the hopeful rabbit and the excitable lemur. Yeah, number one, congratulations. Congratulations. Good tidings. It's genuinely an incredible thing. And as someone who went through a lot of this fertility,

we went through a lot of fertility problems. Obviously, I've been very open about it. And the luck that I feel every day where I see my little G is so paramount. So I know how much this must mean to you both. It's amazing. As for telling people, yeah, I guess it's just holding tight. We were really, because of the journey that we went through, it was very, I guess, different from the conventional at times. So we were

quite, we were very sort of, we held it down actually. I think I'd spoken to Rom and a couple of really close friends. I didn't tell a lot of people just because I was very conscious of, you know, what you're talking about, I guess, things happening, things that, you know, we'd been through, we'd had so many fallstorms and things that hadn't gone quite right that we were very, both very like anxious about sort of, yeah, being too open with it, I guess that was the sort of thing. So I think, um, I think, look, you know, but I think there's no rules to this. I think you tell people when you feel comfortable to tell people. And I think it's, uh, you know, it's just an amazing thing. It's like literally, yeah, I feel so blessed. And I think it's also, and you'll know this if you've

been for that journey. The other thing I'd say is when you are telling people and it's the thing I try to be really conscious of and I still do now, is that other people have been going through fertility problems is always bearing in mind. Like I remember when we were going through the problems that we went through and people would get pregnant

and you'd be really happy for them, but you'd also, every time that you had like someone was having a kid or another kid it would be absolutely soul-destroying it would be quite hard because you knew that you were going through the problems that you're going through so it's almost been really paramount to me to always remember that whenever I'm talking to people about having children and stuff that you don't know I I was very like I sort of almost blag it that I didn't want kids or I, you know,

I even said on this podcast in the very early days of this podcast that, yeah, we weren't, and that was at a time when we were, yeah, going through stuff with Grace and because I was so anxious about being open about how much I wanted children, but how much I didn't, I sort of knew that we wouldn't be able to for quite a long time. So I think it's always been wary that when you're talking

to people, other people's journeys are really, really important. So anyway, that's not to do with you guys. You have, it's an amazing thing. Bless you both. It's great news. And I say that you're going to be amazing parents. Forward to you, Romsky Bay. Congratulations. My advice to you is Romsky Bay. Congratulations.

My advice to you is even though you don't want to go into it with a what if it went wrong mentality, I still feel you should just delay a little bit. I think normally they say like 12 weeks for something like this. But I just think that God forbid, but if anything did go wrong, then you have to go through that process very publicly. Whereas, you know, if it's, you know, without going into details, Lisa and I have, you know, I've had things happen in the past and it felt a little bit easier that we were just dealing with that as a team rather than having to tell people this is what's happened, etc.

etc. My instinct would be to delay, but I'm not you. You might feel like actually you'd want that support network if anything happened. But I think Tom's advice is valid. I think sometimes people are going for their own struggles. But that shouldn't take away from what you're celebrating. But my advice to you would be to delay for a bit at least. I think 12 weeks maybe, and then start telling people because, look,

it's just, I just think it's cool to enjoy it yourselves before everybody else. And also the other thing is when you start telling people, they'll all start having their opinions and advice and stuff like that. And it's nice to be in a little bit of a bubble and for you two to just enjoy the whole thing before outside influences get involved. So I hope that helps.

I feel slightly under qualified to advise you, but yeah, So I hope that helps. I feel slightly under-qualified to advise you, but yeah, I do hope that helps. And congratulations. Amazing moment, man. Okay, this is from the Tasseled Wobbegong. Wow. Hello, you wonderful humans. After listening to Rom's vegan chocolate skidmark issue

in episode 29, it's dragged up a previous memory I had tucked away. I'm originally from Swansea, but now live in London, and travel for work, staying in multiple hotels. My work took me back to Swansea, where I found myself with a free day that I'd spent getting fully sloshed with old friends. To end the night, I loaded up with a kebab,

full trimmings and chili sauce. I returned to my room, where I settled in for the night. At one point, I stood up to go to the night, I loaded up with kebab, full trimmings and chili sauce. I returned to my room, where I settled in for the night. At one point, I stood up to go to the bathroom, as there was an impending evacuation brewing. As I walked, I let out what I thought was to be a gentle fart. This act in turn shot out a thin mist of excrement across my crisp white linens. I immediately clenched and staggered to the bathroom. Upon returning to the room, I surveyed the scene and realized I'd created an environment

where sleep wasn't going to be possible. I stripped the bed, got dressed, and drunkenly trundled to reception where I had to explain the situation and requested some new bed linen. Oh, God. I had to request some new bed linen and pass the rather friendly desk staff my sold bedding.

Wake up in the morning fully sober, I realized what had transpired, and I decided the only option was to pack up and leave as quietly as possible and check into a new hotel to try and put the whole incident behind me. This brings me to my question. As two gentlemen who travel so frequently,

what is the worst hotel-based situation you've found yourselves in? Thank you for the laughs and keeping me company on many a car journey. That is horrible. That's pretty brutal, man. That's, also I'd have just broken into the linen cupboard. What linen cupboard?

If you're in a hotel, you just find linen, every floor has a linen cupboard. What, you would have done it on the sly one? You wouldn't have let anyone know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he was, he or she was drunk. Yeah, I mean, look, I, I'd make the earnestly of going down and getting. Yeah, I mean, look, I, I,

mate, the honesty of going down and getting new bed, I mean, I would never have done that. I'd have put the Devo over the top, I'd have probably put a tracksuit and made, or some towels over me and slept on top of the Devo. Yeah, and then stripped like a bedding. We don't know how thin this mist was, do you know what I mean?

It might have been a, might have been, it might have been a fog, you know, in which case, even the towels and the- Yeah, but like, in which case, even the towels. It's been sort of sprayed all over the bedding. Like that is, that's pretty full on man. Yeah, it's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. Yeah.

Have anything like that happened to you? Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, I've had bad stomachs in there. One of the worst places I ever stayed was, this is actually going back to your form mentioned in the last episode, festival days. We used to stay in festivals. We used to stay at really ropey hotels. And we stayed in one where I remember hearing some talking and thinking

that sounds like there's someone in my room talking and like you know examining what is quite a poky room. And then I moved a little chest of drawers or shelving system and underneath there was a hole and I could just see down into the people below me's room and I was sort of like peering down and they were sort of sitting in bed together chatting and then they looked up and saw my face. That was a big moment of life. They were complaining about the hole in the, yeah because obviously they could see the hole and then when they looked up again they could see my face looking through the hole did you keep your face at the hole the entire time then i was just absolutely fucking shot there was a hole that was no i mean that makes like yo this this is it was like that yeah and you're and how long did you

keep your face there for uh well long enough to sort of have a mild conversation with them how did the conversation go well they were talking about the, I said this is unbelievable isn't it? Yeah. The hole, yeah. And they said, yeah we could hear you in your room. I was like, hmm. Oh no. I've just been once around a wall of death.

Yeah, very difficult, thin mist being released there. I said yeah sorry about the crying. It just adds a bit to me. You're probably wondering who Claire is. Why don't you come up here I'll tell you the old story. No but I was like it's unbelievable this and they said they were like we could hear you in your room I said oh I could hear you talking I heard you mention the whole and they were like yeah it's ridiculous and I said if you said anything and I said yeah they were like they've been down to complain and the guy had basically yeah so that was one I don't know if I've ever told you ever told it the story of the iron in Blackpool. No, so Before I told but we were staying

Again, yeah Sentence we were standing and pokey old Craddy. Oh, I think she's more than last weekend, but we were young We were staying at a hotel like when I was B&B hotels in Blackpool-hmm, and we're all getting ready to go out for the night And one of my mates was ironing It a top and basically was no ironing board, but it was he was styling it on the floor And then as we went out he just had put the iron down And we left the BNB went out for the night all got absolutely slaughtered come back about four in the morning. It's like went out for the night, all got absolutely slaughtered, come back, about four in the morning,

it's like, like this mad smell of burning. And you look up and the fucking, he's put the iron, someone's kicked over the iron, it's gone face down, and it's burnt the fucking carpet, right? So it's burnt a big hole in the carpet. We were all like young lads and we're like, oh fuck, this is gonna, they're gonna like kill us for this, we're gonna have to pay for a whole new carpet.

We haven't got that money. So I basically came up with an idea of getting, we got Stanley knife and pulled the wardrobe out the way and I cut out a bit of the carpet. So we cut out the iron shape, then we put the iron shape over it, stencil-like. Cut out the iron. But obviously where this had been under the wardrobe,

it was like a different colouring. The rest of it sort of like, so it was, it faded slightly, it was a bit more dusty and sort of, you know, so then I made up a concoction of like coffee, like instant coffee, and then sort of like, we poured that over it to sort of make that the same sort of colour as the rest of the carpet. To weather it.

Yeah, to weather it, yeah, yeah. And you know that thing where you sort of hang over, still a bit drunk and you're like, oh my god that looks amazing. They'll never see that that's, that's, uh, we've budged that. So we all went down to Bedford's quite cocky and a maid had gone into our room and then within seconds someone came and go, you what, you, what's happening to the, I don't know why they're Cornish, and I, what's happening to the bloody carpet in your room? And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you've fucking, you've cut a big fucking hole out of it.

And I'm like, oh, so then we had to go out and upstairs and I told him what had happened with the burn mark and he was like, it's better to have had a burn mark. And I'm looking. 100%, 100%. Yeah. So yeah, we all ended up having to pay for a new carpet. It's a chip in getting you How much was it? I remember the time I think it was about fucking

30 40 quid each but it's like and we're standing bumpers. It was like six of us. Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah I can't it might be more but also I said to him I was like all the rest of the reason go have a shit carpet Then you got one room with an ice carpet The rest of the car was gonna be chained after that feels like a reasonable argument in the situation yeah. So then what happened he chipped in to replace all the carpets in every room? Because he felt so passionate about it. No, he just yeah, his thing was like he's not making much money out of stuff it was quite a small profit. What you did was horrible.

Well cutting out the thing, I thought it was quite a genius moment. We're just, you're fucking ruining the carpet. Yeah, but I was younger, I wouldn't do that now. I know. ["Spring Day"] I had a similar thing like that happen where I was using some beard oil. I think I've told this story maybe.

A bit of the beard oil fell onto the futon, you know like the poufé at the foot of the bed. Yeah. And I was a bit nervous that I'd stained it so I started trying to scrub it. Like got a flannel and sort of tried to... Worse than you could do with oil, mate. Well, I know that now. Is it worse than cutting a section out of a carpet and putting it on there too?

No, no, no. It's not about the oil. I wouldn't advise anyone to do that. So then I was like, well, it's all wet now, so I don't know if I've actually got rid of the stain. So I got a hairdryer, started drying it off to see if I'd left a mark. And then where it was taking ages to dry,

I put the hairdryer really close onto the pouffé. Oh my God. And as I lifted it, it had burnt a perfect circle into the pouffé. This is by the way, this is as bad as the fucking, this is as bad. So what I did was I was like, well, I don't want to get blamed for this.

So I broke into another room and grabbed. Mate, this is more snakey than fucking. You didn't break into it. I grabbed the poof out of their room and just switched them around because I knew they were out having a walk. And then I just left. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

So this is someone you knew. Well, I just heard that they were going for a walk. Mate, no, no, no, no, I'm not having that. This is poor grats or someone on Martin. Well, I did Smile says oh, I know you listen. I know you can I tell you the truth? I'm just as hard Cratchy's going out for a walk. I'm just I'm just down right. I've just been a prick I didn't swap the pay face. I just had to live with it. What could I do? Did they charge you for it? Yeah. Yeah.

You've burnt poo face. That's not far, yeah, it's not far that much different from what I mean. What I did was accidental. What you did was you cut out a section of carpet. That was all deliberate. Yeah, but to try and make the carpet look better. Well, look, we both had the same intentions. Yes, we did. Yeah. Yeah, very nice.

Just different. Oh, I wish I'd been more like the guy's shat. I wish I'd just gone down and go fuck, man. I'm not fucking... Yeah, I think what we're learning from this tasseled wobblegong is that you're the most honorable of the three of us. So well done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a good guy. You're a legend.

Okay, this is from the Curious Commodo. Dear Swan Wolf and Al, I'm a huge fan of your podcast and all you do Tom, I'd love to see on Taskmaster. I'd like to get all three of your takes. Well, you're going to struggle to get the swans take on this. I'm backing pack backpacking backpacking through South East. Oh, mate, actually speaking of the swan and podcasts, mad thing happened to her. So Natalie Cassidy, you know Natalie Cassidy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She came to- She's been on every podcast but ours. Well, we don't have guests on our podcast, do we? We should have guests, so we could get Natalie Cassidy, I really like her. Well, we probably could get Natalie Cassidy on the podcast. Yeah, I think it'd be fun.

Okay, fine. Actually, can we do a thing where, because we are doing this now. We're very versatile. Let's be careful. Let's just get some ideas of what sort of guest listeners we want. Okay, yeah, all right, fine. Fine, yeah. People are a bit, we want a different sort of vibe.

Natalie Cassidy would be amazing because we like Natalie. Anyway, go ahead, go ahead, bro. So Natalie Cassidy came to one of the O2 shows, right? One of my tour shows. And- I saw actually she did quite a big story about it last week. And anyway, she'd messaged me on Instagram to try and get tickets.

And then I'd not got, I said, yeah, that's fine. Like ages ago. And then not got back to her near the time. And so she started to panic about whether I'd sorted out the tickets or not. And then she's messaged me on the day and like, I don't know, I don't know what happened. Anyway, in the end, she got in touch with Beckett

and Beckett sorted it out, right? Or just like, you know, spoke to Flo and whatever. Who even are you that you've got Beckett as your PA now? No, Beckett's not my PA. She just had Beckett's phone number. She didn't have my phone number, so she messaged Beckett. So what are you doing that face for? You are, you got a vibe about you there.

What do you mean? You got a vibe. Napoleon Hadley Castle, you promised tickets this time. Mate, look, she was, I had sorted out the tickets. Her name was on the guest list, but she started panicking on the day that the tickets weren't going to be sorted out. Are you not talking? When I've given people tickets, I'm very resolutely over that.

I'm not, to be honest with you. You're not? So basically, if somebody messages me and says, can you sort my tickets? I go, yeah, and I sort the name out. I'm pathetic. I mean, look, I respect you for that. I'm so thirsty. Hello, it's Tom here. I'm just making sure you still want to come and see the show. Yeah, I've told you, I'll so thirsty. Hello, it's Tom here. I'm just making sure you still want to come and see the show. Yeah, I've told you, I'll be there. Good, good, put your name on the guest list,

maybe grab a drink, I'm not sure about a drink after. I want to see the show, I don't want to hang out with you. Well, the truth is, Tom, it turns out I should have done that because Natalie started panicking. Anyway, so she's got in touch with Beckett. Beckett's like double-checked, name's on the door, she comes and watches the show, right? Shout out to get a second. Anyway, so she's got in touch with Beckett. Beckett's like double checks, names on the door. She comes and watches the show, right? Shout out Rob, by the way.

That's an incredible thing he's done. What a guy, what a guy. So anyway, Natalie Cassidy talks about it on her podcast and during the podcast says, the person that she's talking to, I can't remember who it was, says, oh it do you want to be besties to wrong? She goes no. No, it's not only best rush because I'd love to get to know his wife You know, she sounds like an anyway Lisa was on a run just by coincidence

Happened to be listening to that podcast and then suddenly she comes up on the I mean that's she came back She goes I've just had a maddest experience And then apparently she's talking about Well, I think she, I don't think she's going on the net. Lisa's a bit, I don't know if Kat's like this, Lisa will never appear on a podcast. I mean, anytime she's appeared on anything, she still talks about when she went on Judge Ramesh as something she was forced to do and she didn't want to do it. So...

Yeah, she felt like that as well. She's very much got that vibe. Catherine's got that vibe. Catherine Catherine's not in that vibe My sister however, by the way, it sort of comes out now. My sister Enjoys our podcast very much enjoys parenting hell up to the point now. She's like, I'm really excited Just emailed in to I'm parent in hell. What's all right? Okay, cool About what I don't know. She's obsessed with parenting out. She thinks Rob's the funniest person in the world.

She's, yeah. And she likes Josh, but she loves Rob. She's like, she's literally, I'm now like, you know Rob's really, really funny, right? She's like, yeah, yeah, but yeah, Rob's hilarious. I was like, yeah, you know. It's like, you know. Why are you telling me this?

Sort of, I don't, I've got a story about one of these sitting on this is this is one of the most insane thing I've I don't know why I shouldn't this is a let yeah anyway after one of my Taunton shows right in the June the total shopping is the first show I'm very mindful this fact that someone in the front row who is She not heckling but constantly just Talking like is we're having a conversation. You ever get that where someone's just going? Yeah. No, yeah. I get what you're saying Yeah, all right. Yeah. All right me Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and trying to fucking guess your jokes and then certain bits they don't like is surely I know They're not having that one not having that mate not having that. Anyway I finished the

show I come out of the venue and that person is waiting for me and they've got a bit of a scowl in their face. Bit of a scowl? A scowl yeah and I'm sort of like you know all right yeah yeah I was just in there for that show and I was like oh cool yeah yeah thank you for coming along, and I'm so right, you know, all right, yeah, you know, I was just in there for that show And I was like, oh cool. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for coming along. She said I'm gonna be honest with you Not my favorite stand-up show that I've ever seen didn't really you know It's not for me a lot of stuff you do actually not really for me. I'm like, alright, okay cool You know, thanks for coming. Anyway

No, just wanted to tell you that you if you if it I wasn't enjoying it, it's because I'm not a big fan of yours. I went, no, no, that's fine. Thank you for buying the ticket and coming along. Then she goes, you know who else I can't stand? And I went, no. And she went, Ramesh. I was like, okay, I think he's really funny. He's like one of my best mates. No, I don't like either of you, don't find either of you funny. I don't find you funny at all. I was like, okay, cool, last one, thank you. And then she went, so I was sort of like, she said we're going on a bit, I said like, you know, I don't quite understand why you came to the show.

She went, you know why you came? And I went to Romesh's show in Plymouth, my dog finds you very funny. And I went, okay, cool. She went, my dog finds you hilarious like he will laugh every time that you know and so I love it when he's broken I swear this is true I swear wrong he will jump around and get so excited when you're Romesh come on shit TV love George Romesh he very much enjoyed King Gary he loves

your stuff and I was like oh okay and oh, you should have brought your dog along to see me and Romas. She went, that would be fucking stupid though. Like that, really angry. And I was like, what? That would be insane. That would be crazy to take a dog to a show. I was like, well, more crazy is coming to a show to see.

What was the plan? You could then go home and. Feed back the show. Yeah, go and tell the dog about it. The dog sitting at home going, well how was it then? Well you know I don't like either of them, I don't find either of them. It was okay, it was alright. Tell me some of the highlights.

It was a bit, I didn't like it. Why couldn't I have gone as the dog, you know how much I was like, I'd assumed that a dog was barking in the front row and actually got a kick out of it, rather than you had subjected yourself for some reason to sit through both my and Ron Mish's show to come back and fucking report on, you know, it was awful, it was terrible. Well, the big goofy one was bigger goofy, the cynical one was cynical and it's not my stuff.

Well, I lumped that woman in with your sister as two people that I don't consider to be fans or friends. She's very much like my sister as a person, actually. Well let's carry on with this email because I'd like to get all three of your tapes or something. I'm backpacking through South East Asia. It's been an eye-opening experience in so many ways. I consider myself open-minded and forward-thinking.

I've met a lot myself open-minded and forward-thinking. And I've met a lot of long-minded people. However, I struggle with the phrase all men. I know women face many struggles, often because of societal issues involving some men. I challenge stereotypes among my friends, like the ridiculous double standard about men and women sleeping around.

But when I hear all men, I find it hard to not be offended. I don't want to come off as aggressive or confrontational. How can I address this issue without offending anyone or seeing me confrontational? I feel like these stereotypes make it hard to not be offended. I don't want to come off as aggressive or confrontational. How can I address this issue without offending anyone or seeing me confrontational? I feel like these stereotypes make it hard for men to show growth or break away from negative perceptions. Thanks gang.

Also a shout out to my best friend, Ben the Beaver, who's been listening since day one. Peace and love from the curious Komodo. Tom Davis, what do you think? It's a difficult one, isn't it? It's because all men, yeah, I mean, I don't think any gender or anyone should, we shouldn't subject to everyone as a collective because there's so many different, you know, there's so many different sort of people you're bringing into

the mix. I think that the thing I would say is that I think over the last few years, men, there's a lot of men within our industry and a lot of different industries that probably haven't been the best poster boy for men in general. I think that there's probably a certain vibe, there's so much of, I guess, the maldom male dominance within a certain sort of world has been punched down so to speak. But yeah, I sort of agree. I do think that as a man, I think it is like you're trying to do your best in navigating and try to be the best version of your gender as you possibly can. I don't know. I think, it's very, yeah, I was talking about someone who's just done a,

in the last episode of the fucking 40 minute rant about a mouse. It's a very weird thing that I find that people, like, I think that's the thing, I think that when someone says all men, I think that's usually probably someone who's had their life

affected in a very negative way by men or by a man, and actually had their life affected and been quite, yeah, has had some sort of long-term sort of repercussion from that. And I suppose what I'm saying is that, sometimes it's easy just to sort of, for you to get worked out by the sound like you know all men but that person could have just through their life had very negative

appearances, lit negative experiences with men and that's probably why that they feel that way and it's very I think hard to then sort of pick a place and then sort of argue or say that you know when that person has had some very negative experiences with men, I think a better way of doing it is actually trying to show them a bit more of a positive, you know, as I'm not sure if you can work out if you're a man in this or not, but actually trying to be positive as a man and show them more of a positive way of being. Rather than being doubling down and being quite aggressively, well it's not all men, it's not all men, you know, you can't put love, but instead of actually trying to fight that battle and being quite

antagonistic about it, maybe look at being a little bit more chill and being a little bit more like what would scratch a little bit deeper I guess and finding out what why they're saying that rather than starting an argument and being quite on the front foot. I think that's the problem we have I think quite a lot of time in society is we can pick our line in the sand to fight on and we can pick out line in the sand to fight on. And sometimes it just makes the fight a little bit more wild. And actually instead of trying to show and try and best you can be a better person

and show people rather than try to convince people I'm a good person or I'm amazing, but whatever. Try to actually just go, well, you know what? Maybe my behavior and how I behave within this moment will be something that they can carry forward. and that might be something that can change your perspective I'm not sure I Agree, Tom. I don't really I don't really have an issue with the phrase all men I feel like I do I do know it's not all men and and like obviously there are men that are trying to be better

and whatever But we don't have any idea what women's experiences are. Like if you talk to a woman about their everyday experiences, we enjoy a level of privilege that we're probably not even aware of. You know, women going home from a night out, just women and the way they conduct their lives, the way that they're spoken to and stuff like that,

are things that we can't even begin to relate to because it doesn't happen to us. And so when somebody says all men, I think that you're, in my opinion, your instinct should not be, how do I defend men? But how do I find out what men keep getting wrong? Do you know what I mean? Like what is it that we keep doing that's making people feel like this? Do you know what I mean? And I don't think it's about challenging it, because actually challenging it, I think, is part of the problem. I think that you going, why are you saying all men, is not all men. I think that is something that part of the group of men that they're talking about would say.

I think the truth is, what the ideal system is, is that you conduct yourself in a way that is not like that. And hopefully if enough of us conduct ourselves in a way that is not like that, then the phrase all men will cease to be applicable. Unfortunately, we are in a situation where, you know, men have not conducted themselves in the best way and women have had to had to put up with shit that we haven't even really gained an awareness of until relatively recently or something we haven't appreciated. And I sort of am in the position where I exhibit, and I know Tom would say the same, we exhibit

privilege or sometimes occasional sexism without even realizing it. You don't know how you're behaving sometimes in a way that isn't okay. And I'd sort of rather be called out about it so I can change my behavior going forward than sort of go, well, I'm not one of those blokes. I probably am one of those blokes in some ways. Do you know what I mean?

And I think it's good to be open-minded to that and go, how can I change? There have been times when I've probably not been right or times when I've done things that I should have been called out on, do you know what I mean? And so I think that it's sort of our responsibility as men, in my opinion, to be a bit more proactive

in looking for where we're behaving like that. And so rather than going, I'm annoyed that people are saying all men, so how do I not be one of those men? And hopefully enough men do that, that that phrase starts to lose its resonance, do you know what I mean? But that's going to take a long, long time. So, but look, I understand Ben, I'm not having a go, not Ben, your best mate's called Ben,

I understand Komodo, why you feel like that, because you're probably somebody that thinks, well, I'm trying to behave in the best way I can. But the fact of the matter is that without realizing it, you're exerting your privilege. You won't realize it. And I think it's good to be open-minded and be open to being told when those things are the case. And that doesn't have to be done aggressively. It can just be done with like, you know, what you just said was a bit like off key.

I think that's something I'd like to, you know, I'd rather be aware of than carrying on behaving in a way that isn't right. So look, I hope that helps. I'm not having a go at all. I don't mean to have a go. I just think that that all men thing is just something that I think our reaction should be,

why do you feel like that, rather than you shouldn't feel like that. Do you know what I mean? Well said G, well said right. Okay, it's about that time to wrap up the bonus. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it. We will see you next week.

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