Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 35: Friday Bonus & A Poo Monster

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

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Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog. Welcome to the Wolf and Owl bonus episode. Bonus? How are you? Oh yeah, thank you so much for joining us. Apologies once again for the hour long turd that we delivered in the last episode. I'm hoping this is gonna be good, I can't go into it. JT's sort of feedback of it was, yeah, it's like a teacher telling a kid that they'd

sort of double in their exams, but they were failed, they were destined to a life of unemployment. On the WhatsApp, I very thirstly said, is it too boring to put out? And JT sort of said, no, you've got some good chat in there. And he goes, but as you acknowledged, not the best episode. I mean, he's never, you've got some good chat in there. And he goes, but as you acknowledged, not the best episode. I mean, he's never, he has never said something like that before. He actually said, it lacks a certain energy. Which meant it was flat. The conversation was inspired at times was very turdid.

Yeah. I, since I spoke to you last, I have long been of had a dream of learning how to produce hip hop music, right? So I'll just make beats and stuff. So is that why you've entered the chat dressed the way you are? No. Is that why you've gone to the vodcast dressed like a guy who produces hip hop tracks? No. Top color that's gone up in July. By the way, of the two of us that look like they're ready to produce a hip hop track, you look like you're in some sort of fucking West Coast military group.

Do you know what I mean? This is why I look forward to it. You've got the matching snapback. What's the vest you you got underneath the shirt? Oh, you go boss number. Oh, you go I'm matching shorts So this is a full coat. You're gonna fall cold. Yeah Yeah, all of my lips for this holiday. I've been full for God can ask you something

Yeah, I never saw I'm going on holiday in a few weeks. I never really know what to wear I'd love because as you know, I never saw I'm going on holiday in a few weeks. I never really know what to wear I'd love because as you know, I Respect how you dress what I would love you to be is can I ask you I'm asking you now on the podcast Would you be willing to be my holiday stylist? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know that you know, you know the look, you know The what I've got so I put a lot of gone Chelsea Piers pajama sets To lounge about in while you're on holiday game changer that you'd look so good in these they're incredible

But some of them are silk and say this is a little linen vibe Some of the people I mean some of them a lot more hip-hop than you know You'd certainly if you're if you're putting this album together, we've been discussing for quite some time you'd look kit Yeah, I could see you there's one I've got a little Hawaiian number that I might put a pic post out about Chelsea Pierce's where's it? I'd love to you know, but you know who I look at who's my style icon. Hey my two smooth One choose your way Catherine is Catherine me an argument about my two smooth. Yeah, this is so much. I love it

There's someone that yeah, I love Martin. He basically, so he's been doing a look I did back in early part of the century, 2000, probably 2002, 2003. What a wonderful compliment, go on. No, no, no, that look's come back for it. The baseball shirt, either done up to here or undone with a vest under or a T-shirt.

Yeah. It's a trippy look, but it's a big look. I spent about, we went shopping, me and Catherine, and I spent most of the time, too, when we were there looking for a specific faithful jersey, to which she was like, I'm not having, you're not wearing one, or I'm like, it would look really cool.

I mean, she was, she's still, she, as I came in here to do the podcast. She was playing with grace. And she said I'm working to chat about the podcast. There's one thing that she knows I'm gonna chat about which I'll get into in a bit. And the second thing was maybe you're rubbish can talk about your vest. And then grace laughed. Grace laughed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's great. She says now daddy wear vest and laughs is that much for a joke in the

house. Like I still I think Catherine's out of order there. I think she's she's set up something that you do as a joke. I don't think so. But anyway, the Martin to smooth clothes are good, but they're good on Martin to smooth. Yeah, like, yeah. Like he has got a look, right? I often look at Martin Two Smooth and think you look great, but I don't think I need to appropriate that look. No.

Because it's not in my skill set to wear what he wears. But you dress well. You dress really well. I can't... Yeah, but if I rocked up with a baseball shirt, I'm not pulling that off, am I? Yeah, I think you would. And the fedora. The fedora I'm not too sure off, am I? Yeah, I think you would. And a fedora. Look, the fedora I'm not too sure about. I think, fedora, me and Martin have got, we're in with the bald head, I think, gives you

confidence to wear a hat and it gives you an ilk of a way of wearing a hat. You've always got a full back of your hair. So you always look and go, well, I don't really need a hat like that. I haven't got to sort of commit as much to a hat. I didn't tell you. I discovered I've got a, like, I've sort of got to sort of commit as much. Right, I didn't tell you. I discovered I've got a, like, I've sort of got a bit of a bald spot on the back of my head. What? I can't, I don't know if I can shut, but basically, you know when we're doing the,

when we're doing the arena shows on the tour? Yeah. So you've got to scream. Yeah. So when I- How did you find that in front of 20,000 people? I know, no, but it wasn't- Did you reference it find that in front of 20,000 people. I know. No, but it wasn't-

Did you reference it? No, it was during the sound check. So during the sound check, I go on stage and Graz goes, have a look at the screen to see if you're happy with the shot they've got on you. All right? So obviously they've got the camera ops light up in the thing. And I turn around and obviously the thing's on the back of my head. So then I go, what the fuck is that?

Right? And he goes, what? And I go, look at this, I've got a full spot. So I start like, and then I asked the camera ops to like close in on it. So I can really get a proper look because there's no other way I'm gonna have a look at this. And like, I've got like it's sort of like thinning at the back here. Anyway, grass goes, can you turn the lights up? And I and they did and grass and every one of the guys like working in the crew bit

were completely bald and then and then grass said, why don't you shut the fuck up. It was quite a devastating slam actually. But the point is I discovered I'm like... Do you know I was scaffolding when I discovered and I was at the bottom of the scaffold and I was sort of like when I started to lose my hair so I was sort of like early 30s and someone just shouted down uh well it's something like you go in got about five years left mate enjoy it are you serious yeah yeah yeah well he was always right to the yeah yeah well yeah i mean scaffolders are known for a lot of things in the world ramesh

compassion isn't one of them can you um can you get all this scaffolding up yeah we could do that in a couple of days, no problem. And could you do it compassionately? I think that's going to be slightly trickier. No, you can whip this for luck there. Do you want someone to actually have a level of empathy with what's going on in your life? I don't think so. You picked the wrong scaffolders, I'm afraid.

Anyway, I've digressed massively. So I went to download this hip-hop this music production till right logic. Yeah, okay So it download on the Mac I go to download it It says you cannot download it on this version of whatever operating system you've got you need to update your operating system, right? Yeah, so then look the latest operating system for the Mac is something called Sonoma Okay, so that night I set it up to download Sonoma onto my laptop. The next morning, Sonoma's downloaded and since then my laptop has been the biggest heap of shit I've ever fucking dealt with in my life.

You know who you speak to? Who? Dennis. Steve Jobs' ghost? Why? Dennis Fernandez. Dennis Fernandez is on top of all of the fucking updates you put on your computer, your laptop, your phone.

Jesus Christ. Okay, I get it. Tom, sorry, people don't know what Jesus Christ. Tom lifted up his phone to demonstrate to me what he was talking about. That's not the problem. The update is a load of shit. This is part of what Apple do. They're trying to get me to buy a new MacBook. Yeah I know I'm aware of that but Dennis, so when we were on tour one day, before a show,

Dennis burst into my dressing room, look at Panic, he said Tom Tom Tom please tell me you haven't done the Apple update on your phone. I went I haven't yet and he went don't do it until I say go go go. Don't do it until you're ready. And then he sort of shook my hand and he left. A couple of days later he said to me in text he said you're all good to go on the update. Update was beautiful. Right? A couple of months later I do an update without any acknowledgement. Update fucks my phone, I lose all my numbers, everything. I text Dennis and went oh the update on this new one. He went you shouldn't have done it, you should always wait for me to tell you. acknowledgement update fucks my phone. I lose all my numbers everything I text Dennis and went are the update on this new anyway You shouldn't have done it. You should always wait for me to tell you and since from there. That's for this one. I love sorry sorry sorry sorry what?

This really does smell of bullshit So I Believed us. Sorry I would believe the story if Dennis said don't do the update yet Give me your phone and then did some stuff and then gave me the phone so you can update now what you're saying to me, the story you're presenting to me is that Dennis said, wait when and a couple of days later goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I know that I know That one was like yeah, the original one was don't do the update mate seriously Don't just wait until I said the times right and then and then cut those out he text me So you go even what has he done in that in the interim?

What do you think what happens is that the first version of the update is never the update you want Is the one that fucks your phone and then they get rid of even more bugs and then they usually release another update I'd accept all of this except for the fact that I hadn't updated when I supposed to this update is from six Months ago. Yeah, but what I'm saying to you. Oh, I see an output case then they are just putting your pants down Well, here we go, this is where the conspiracy starts four and a half years, you know five years, isn't it? It's a five-year cycle, mate. These people, man, it works perfectly, right? But now they've gone, oh, you've got to update this thing, otherwise you can't download any new software.

So now I've updated it, I can't open my email, if I leave my laptop for 30 seconds, it switches off and takes 10 minutes to switch back on. The album's going to be another, what, eight months now? It's going to be another eight months, and I tell you on. The album's going to be another what, eight months now? It's going to be another eight months and I tell you what else, it's going to be fucking angry. It's going to be called Apple a c***. And it's just that every track is going to be a different update that I'm pissed off with. Anyway, what is this topic that to what is it you what is this topic you have lined up for

the podcast? It's already like, yeah, like, so I've created a situation on this holiday. That might mean that we have to we're basically now sort of stuck in stuck in our room. So basically, what? Yeah, so basically, there's another family here, a Dutch family. Sweet enough family. Immediately I can see where the problems are starting here, based on what you've said to me in the past about the Dutch. The dad though is, so the first sort of dalliance I had with the dad is we both had our kids, our daughters our daughters were both playing in the pool he's really going to pull this to

The polish to cold for little ones. It's too cold for little babies and I'm like And I'm the I was playing them and gracious quite enjoying itself I said it's fine I said it is a bit I said um it's good for them and I made a joke about Wim Hof and like You know the Cold War and all that sort of stuff Next thing on he goes out to the manager and he's complaining to the manager about Look at how cold the pool is and it's no babies and no children want to be in it And then he says I've spoken to shmudd the parents and they're also saying that they don't want your baby

Swimming in the cold like this man. I said, I think it's all so actually and he gave me a look as if to say you fuck me There like yeah, he said and then he started using my wife. Why did you say it's all right then? Because I don't think it was too cold. I think it's fine It's like when I was a kid when you were on holidays a kid up with throwing a cold water It's not like it was like join. It's the water's gonna be cold You know, you know, you don't you don't you don't just stick with whatever was happening when you were a kid There's also things that when you were a kid. There's lots of things that happen when you were a kid.

Yeah, but Grace was enjoying herself. The way I see it, it wasn't so cold. Anyway, he's obviously looking and then he uses my... Yeah, but my point is, was there not part of you that just wanted to back him up as a sort of... No, really. I didn't like the way he was complaining. I felt it's a nice hotel. The manager's got a lot of stress going on. The pool's cold. To be fair, there's loads of, you know,

to be fair, there's another pool just in this inside pool here as well we could take this kid to. Between four in the afternoon and six in the afternoon. Anyhow. Anyway. So, I now know that the guy has kind of got the hump with me. Since we've been out here, you know, we've talked about constipation,

grace is still a bit bunged up if anyone's interested, we've now reached the non-accessitives, or a poo softener as it's called, hoping that's going to do its work, more to follow next week. But we've been playing this game where we jump out at each other and say poo. Oh what a novel game. And we shout poo monster when we do so. Jesus Christ. Ahhhh the poo monster.

Okay. So to give you an idea of this guy. Who is doing this? Me, Grace. Catherine's not really into it as me, Grace. Grace and me find it really funny. So this guy, I'd say, if you were to see him, he looks a bit, is it Egon from the Ghostbusters?

Yes, Egon's back. But he carries himself in a way that, imagine if like Virgil van Dyck was it Egon from the Ghostbusters? Yes, Egon's back. But he carries himself in a way that imagine if Virgil van Dyck was inside Egon from the Ghostbusters. He's got that cool, self-assured, almost arrogant vibe that you know, sort of, that Virgil van Dyck carries. Anyhow, the other day, I've run off in front of Catherine Grace to go and hide, right? To do the poo monster thing. As I'm hiding behind this bush, I hear some footsteps, like kids' footsteps and some footsteps have come.

I leap out and as big as I can go, RAAAARGH! THE POO MONSTER! And it's not Grace and Catherine. They've stopped to get an ice cream. It's this Dutch guy, his wife and his children, right? The look of fear on all four of their faces. Like he grabbed his daughter like that, like, you know, to sort of shield her.

The woman shrinks, like, ah! Like, you know, I was in the vest. Jesus Christ. He sort of stood back, but there was sort of, you know, like, fight or flight, it was complete flight for him, for him. Um, he then... Well, you know, I mean, listen, I don't know much about them, but I don't think if I was surprised by a poo monster,

I don't think I'd take it on in hand-to-hand combat. I think flight is the right reaction, to be honest with you. He then just goes, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Like that. And he's holding his kid. And I'm like, I'm so, so sorry.

I'm playing Poo Monster. His wife is like, what is going on? And I'm like, I'm so sorry. We're playing Poo. I boo and jump out and try to sort of explain what's going on. He is like this stupid, stupid. And yeah, he just storms off on this kid who's still crying Wife's upset the kids crying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because he's yeah, I think someone that's him now. He's from voices elevating

Some of it might be him. I think it's mainly you though I mean, I don't mind I don't mind defending you a little bit But use you jumped out and scream poo monster. Yeah, he's gone. Oh god. Are you okay? What are you doing? I feel like most of the blame is with you. Yeah, I'm Sam Cobol, but he was quite aggressive in his demeanor. Right. You know, I think some of that holds back from what happened at the swimming pool earlier.

I don't think so. Tom, I don't think so. He's now, we're now at a point. So, in the evening, I tell Catherine this, Catherine's absolutely mortified. As you can imagine. By the way, can I just say, I'm not often one for sticking up for you.

As you know, in these situations. But Catherine's decision to stop, she obviously knew that you'd run ahead to go and hide and do poo monster. Her decision to then she obviously knew that you'd run ahead to go and hide and do Poo Monster Her decision to then stop and get an ice cream without you Did you ever did you sort of feel a little bit? You might be the third wheel on this holiday

The point yeah, I mean I'm gracious going for a phase I don't know if your boys ever wanted gracious going for a phases if I'm carrying her like I'll be carrying her and I'll be Walking along and I look at at her and go, you know, say, yeah, that, bubba bubba, she'll go, look away, daddy. Look that way, daddy. So I have to look forward and carry her like I'm a horse. Now she's got to think where if we're in a car, I'll turn around and say to her, look away, daddy. Look away, daddy. So yeah, I mean, I'm, yeah, I've become like sort of, yeah, I'm the fucking bottom rung of this ladder. I'm away, daddy. So, yeah, I mean, I've become like sort of, yeah, I'm the fucking bottom rung of this ladder.

I'm aware of that. Also, Katherine's defense in this situation, I think she is trying her utmost. The Poo Monster doesn't make it home. I think she's had enough of the Poo Monster. I think, Grace, it's the one thing we're bonding over. We, I mean, we're in quite a small room here. We played Poo Monster for an hour and a half last night,

just in a, yeah, in a one room, in a bedroom essentially, hiding and jumping out on each other. Okay. That is, I imagine, being the non-participant in the Poo Monster game, in a small kind of space, with the other two, that is deeply annoying. I can't, Catherine, what's happened, we then got, she's mortified, she's embarrassed. with the other two. That is deeply annoying.

I was talking to Cathy, what's happened, she's mortified, she's embarrassed. We then go for dinner. You haven't done anything wrong though. No, no, no, but the guy's got an... If you knew that you were trying to prank the family... Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. But to them, it might look, the way I looked at it, at first I was like, look at this guy, you know.

But then in my head I'm like, does this guy just think that I was just waiting around for anyone to walk past? Exactly, exactly. To jump out on. We then go for dinner that night. He's sitting there with his family, all of his family staring. I worry that I've given this daughter PTSD.

They're all just staring. It looks quite disgruntled with me. At the bar a little while later I tried to make a conversation about the Dutch in the Euros. A very King Gary moment, he explains he doesn't like football. Then I'm like, right, I've got nothing now. Breakfast this morning we saw them again. It's like they've bonded, they're probably a tiny unit with their hate too. All three, the little girl who's just a bit older than Grace stares at me without some contempt.

I'm worried that she'll have to go and see a therapist or a psychologist in a year's time and talk about the poo monster. You know when kids get fevers and start hallucinating? Yeah. I imagine that'll be the first thing that her brain goes to. Also, by the way, if you're're using it, it's not the best version. I have a baseball cap on back to front and wearing a vest, some quite damp swimming shorts

and some flip flops. It's not my best look. Do you know what I mean? It's like that's how she- What do you want to do? Do you want to put a suit on for something like that? Well, no. I mean, I'd assume if I was looking a bit more drippy, she'd go, oh, he was actually

quite cool. But if she's like, he was quite, he was, you know, an overweight, like, giant. I mean, essentially, she could describe Shrek in his summer clothes. And that was, that would pretty much be... It's also quite a difficult game to explain, isn't it? Sorry, we're playing a game called Poo Monster, where I jump out and my daughter is... Because Poo Monster is essentially Boo, right?

It's essentially jumping out and shouting Boo. Yeah, there's a strong argument for just sticking with Boo. I mean, you've jumped out, you've done the surprise. Having to then shout, it's the Poo Monster. Yeah, but you... It feels excessive. How much grace can this moment still last when you go, ah, it's the Poo Monster?

You play it like that. It's so funny. Have you tried, ah, without the Poo Monster? Yeah, yeah, it's a poo monster. You play it like that. It's so funny. Have you tried, ah, without the poo monster? Yeah, yeah, it's not the same. Boo, by the way, is just not going to do it. It's, yeah, she needs more from these guys. So she's like, oh, I'm not scared yet. Oh, shit, it's the poo monster.

I've done some asking about the Dutch people are here until we're here. They go back on Monday. So, yeah, so he's going to be around. He's sort of really pissing on my parade It's quite nice weather here, but I'm sort of every time I see him in this family. It sort of makes me quite feel quite sad So yeah, it's sort of it's interesting that you feel that he's the aggressor in there Imagine he's done. He's doing some sort of he's he's gone off to record his Dutch podcast, Wulf en Ul.

Oh, you wouldn't believe it. This man just jumps out, he looks like... He just jumped out and screamed, poor monster. What are the games that these English people play? Over in Amsterdam, he's more geekish than he got. No, I don't believe it. I think, I think that man was totally out of order, Wolf. Listen closely.

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I feel now like we need to probably reach out to a few people. We'll do that, right, in the next week or so. Well, OK, let's give people a proper update. Week after next, we are meeting up for quite a long time. So we'll sort it out. Obviously, we want to do this before the transfer window as well, sponsorship-wise. OK, let's start off with a fairly simple one. Hey, Wolf, our swollen cat, after listening to a previous pod where the listener listed the items on the show that you dropped, oh god, I realized

I forgot to send in a list I made from when I listened back to The Wolf for now from the start. One of my favorite things is when Tom says, that's all of my favorite things every time he says his favorite thing. I wrote it down in the hope that you could list them off and confirm that the favorite thing was in fact his favorite thing. So here are some favorite things that you've said throughout the podcast. Drooling in your sleep. I actually had a nap this afternoon, drooled, loved it, absolutely really enjoyed it. When people feel comfortable enough to poo in his house? Yeah, still a massive honour. Yeah.

Hand shaking? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Still a moment, I think, of the birth of... For these actually, now I'm thinking about it, it just makes me feel so happy. Bringing it back round. Hearing Ramesh's laugh?

Yeah, oh my God. I like actually that to be my ringtone. Poppadoms and prawn crackers. Yeah, yeah. Something I miss by the way when I'm in Spain. I'm Chinese and Indian on the day I get back. Oh, do you ever, would you ever go to an Indian abroad? We did actually have a curry, friends of ours, we had a curry, they brought curry to a Brampton hotel.

It was alright, it was pretty good actually. Yeah, my friends Ian brought it around to feed us actually. Singing in the car? Oh wow, yeah. Did that today again. Oh, okay. I mean these are for pretty... The prank he played on his mate by smearing chocolate all over his bathroom, sorry. I was about to say bottom, bathroom. Yeah, well that's a mutual friend of mine and rubbish is,

but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking in people's fridges when you go over to their house. Some of these are like, genuinely, yeah, I forgot that, I took them, and I'm like, yeah, I love that, it's what I'm still, yeah. When somebody opens a celebration. I encourage, by the way, people to do all of these things. What, looking in people's fridges? Yeah, I think it, it's one of my silt, yeah. When somebody else is in a celebration. I encourage, by the way, people to do all of these things. What, look in people's fridges?

Yeah, I think it's a good thing. Have you got a new, I've never seen you drink so much. Is that Monster or have you got? What do you mean, I'm trying to get hydrated. Liquid death it is. Oh, I knew it would be. I just knew it would be. Why, why?

You are so fucking hip hop. You're sitting there in your shirt with your vape. Sipping back on some liquid death oh my god this guy this guy got your bevo chain on oh fuck off bevo man I'm worried about that guy bevo by the way I've got to say is he like I actually we were too nice about people I mean the last book cost he's such a he's an ignorant little prank. He's such a little wally Yeah, but do you not think you can forgive ignorance when the people don't he's not he's not malicious is it? I'm the other one. I was I

Delved more and more into I just I just I just think he said yeah, he's a really annoyed little prick into I don't know I just I just think he's yeah he's a really annoyed little prick. Why do I just I don't want to know about these people yeah I don't it's happening because of TikTok I don't you know it's happening because I don't want to know that Bivo's fighting Danny Arons on August 31st all right I don't want to know that. I was going to say if you wanted to go out there. I don't want to know any of this shit but I do know it I don't want to know any of this shit, but I do know it. I don't want to know that Sophia beva's girlfriend went out to Marbella and he worried about where she was and now they've bought a dog. Why do I know this shit this stuff than I know about any of my friends. You should have to fucking consent to have this information enter your head. I could go on Mastermind and talk about someone I find intolerable.

That someone I find... he'd be like my worst EastEnders character. Look, I know some of his outfits. I know that he's got like a full... No, no, no, he has one outfit he wears all the time. That Burberry... the Burberry... Yeah, the Burberry Manchage. ...short. Oh God. The only thing I'll give him, any sort of due for is the fact that he's now got a goatee.

He's somehow, one man sort of seems to be trying to bring the goatee back. Not that I like a goatee, but I'll give him fucking grattis for that. Everything about him I fuck. If I had a son, I'd be sitting going, look, look you've got fucking have more ambition than this little twat But is there not part of you that thinks you know what fair play is just trying to make make nice to the card No, I think he's I think he's quite. I think he's quite I Don't think he's a very good person. I think he's a very nice lad. I think he's quite yeah Okay, yeah

Looks like we've got another looks like we've got another someone for the undercard on the next misfits fight. Tom Davis and Bevo. Bevo versus Bevo, Christ. I'd say Bevo's old family on. Well, a little bit of news. The Tom Davis Bevo fight went ahead. Unfortunately Bevo is dead. I got hit to an eating competition with a little wanker.

Never. Why, I can't believe we know who this guy... anyway. There's one more here Tom. When someone opens a celebrations tin and there's something else inside. Oh wow! Fucking hell, that is a sweet sweet moment. You see this, every one of these is a happy thing. Do you know what, fair play to you Tom, because I thought there might be some here that you now disagree with.

But that's been like a little journey down memory lane for you. You know what, that's like, that's like, yeah, I wish I'd put these on TikTok, because it feels like that's the sort of thing people get some sort of happiness from. Yeah, yeah, sure. Okay. Oh, the other thing this person says, this is what I should say. This is from the curious otter. Thank you very much for the email curious otter says

that you've stopped saying this is one of my favorite things so much and they'd love you to bring it back a little bit okay you know what you guys are well and you know what one of my favorite things is when you get an email that gives you a little glance through the rearview mirror of life you look back and think you know what that was actually a cherished little turn of the road I forgot and it was a roundabout that I don't put flowers on anymore so yeah. Oh god what? I don't know why I said that. The rear view mirror thing was great and then you put flowers as a memorial on a roundabout. Yeah it's a nice idea. Okay yeah but that is a really dark

fucking thing to say by the way. Yeah sometimes my mind is quite sober. And also, honestly, the other thing, he uses such horrible analogies. Yes, I agree with you, Wolf. I think he sounds very insensitive. He told me he was going to put some flowers on a roundabout for me and my family as some kind of way of making grace. Hello Wolf, Al, Swan and Cat.

This is from the amused Bumblebee. Thank you for your email. It goes without saying, I love the podcast. Thank you for your email. It goes without saying I love the podcast. Thank you for all the laugh stories and nonsense you beam into my ear holes every week. Can you help me with a confusing situation? I've recently had my first baby and I've been negotiating the social and political world of baby and parent groups. Try as I might, it's a struggle to meet the other new mums and dads and make genuine connections without trying to force a square peg into a circle hole. A few days ago however I sat down next to a mum I'd not seen before

and the stars must have aligned as we immediately clicked. We had exactly the same humour and attitude and it felt so relaxed and easy to be around her. We only exchanged names but looked forward to seeing each other again at the group. Honestly felt like I was walking on air, feeling like I'd met someone who could be an amazing new friend even outside of parenting circles. However, that evening I received a follow request for her on Instagram. I was delighted until I looked at her profile. It was littered with propaganda and conspiracy content. We're talking flat earth, plandemic, rigged elections, microchips and vaccines, you name it. What do I do now? Everyone of course has a right to their opinions,

but I won't be able to look at the same. Definitely can't see myself becoming closer friends. Am I being an arsehat? Any thoughts welcome to the Bemused Bumblebee. Tom Davies. The Bemused Bumblebee, it's a very difficult one this because number one, I sort of agree with you on the basis it's very hard to sort of like, once you sort of move into parenthood, sort of meet those parent friends

so to speak. I think number one, like, you know, the time that we've had grace, we've had different sort of groups of friends, different sort of people we've met through different circumstances. I think as well, everyone that I speak to, I'm sure that Ramesh being a bit more

further down the line than I am with this, I think once the kids start school, then that's a whole different, you know, ball game and the kids, then there's a longevity of those friendships. But when it comes to sort of conspiracy, like stuff like this, I think it's really it's a strange thing. I've got friends who have these conspiracies.

I talk about it and stand up and people that actually really, really enjoy their company. Who there are things I don't necessarily believe in or the things that I sort of don't agree with, but then I'll have conversations about that and sometimes those conversations can be quite vigorous and sometimes they can get quite heated. I actually think in life at the moment, I think weirdly one of the big problems we actually have is the fact that people put these quite big opinions up, whether from either side of the fence, and we don't discuss it anymore. We kind of just go, okay, well, that's someone who's a part of this group or that's someone who doesn't believe in the same thought process as I do. And then we don't establish a friendship based on that. And actually, I think when I look back to being a younger man or when I talked to my

parents about, you know, my parents had friends who voted for one side, they'll vote for another and they'd sit and they'd have those discussions in a pub or someone's house at a party or whatever. And those discussions could sometimes get heated. Sometimes you might be able to change someone's opinion, sometimes your opinion might be changed. But actually having those discussions felt like actually that's a really important part of us as humans. I then think when it comes to social media and stuff that you see, like the stuff you're talking about, I think it's really, really hard. It's really easy, sorry,

to pick up, pick, oh, that's what that person is as a person. I've done it through mates of mine who I've looked on Facebook or something they've had certain opinions they've had certain things are all right they're gonna have turned into an absolute piece of shit and I've seen them at something and had a right laugh with them that that discussions ever come up and you know obviously there's certain things that that you know the no-brainers you don't ever want to read and if they're gonna get into certain you know if there's any sort of phobic sort of chat of any kind, and I think that's, it's worth just, yeah, not going any further down the road with that sort of friendship. But if it is just conspiracy theories, if it is things that they no matter,

and also you never know the reason behind them. I've got a friend who's a massive conspiracy theorist on the basis of the vaccines and stuff and when I broke it down and spoke to him about it was, you know, he lost both his parents and one of them was, you know, around the time of Covid and he put a lot of that blame on the vaccine that they both had and although there wasn't a lot of proof in the fact that, or any proof, so to speak, that it was the vaccine, it probably gave him some sort of consolation that it wasn't anything else. And it gave him something to blame. I think sometimes, and going through that myself at the moment, with not me necessarily,

but Catherine going through stuff of like, when you look at your dealing with bereavement and loss, it's sometimes good to have something or someone just to blame as a sort of thing to lash out at if you're not spiritual, so to speak. So I think you don't always know why, what's behind that school of thought. So I go easy on them. Yeah, if you get on with them, and it's tough being a new parent, if you've found somebody you get on with, I'm not saying become best friends, but you might need someone to lean on in times and they might need someone to lean on, and you haven't necessarily got to get into that if they're forcing it down your neck and they're starting to talk about it more and more

then you can just have a little bit of a walk away but I think if you chat about your kids and you chat about other stuff you haven't got to get on those subjects then see where it goes and good luck. I didn't think you were gonna say that and I've got to say I totally agree with with you. I feel like you've, if you use bumblebee, what Tom just said is a great bit of advice. You found someone that you connect with. Yes, they have a load of views

that you might not agree with, but that's a good, I just think that that shouldn't stop you from being friends with them. You know, we can, Tom and I don't agree on everything. You know, Tom's a massive conspiracy theorist and some of his views on immigration, I find it borant.

But we still managed to look past that and we're the very best of friends. So I feel like it's something that you shouldn't allow to stop you from being friends with this person. So good luck to you. I don't really want to add too much because Tom's absolutely nailed that. So good luck. Okay, Tom, that's us.

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